Extreme vigilante justice

lookout123 · 08-18-2004, 03:54 PM

I first read throught this article and my thought was the "bastard got what he deserved". but then i thought a little more and decided that they should have simply restrained him and called the cops and left it up to the justice system. then i remembered that there is very little justice in the legal system - so i am hesitantly thinking that the guy got what he deserved.

If i found a guy outside my 5 year old's window jerking off, would i do any different? maybe. i don't think i would have beat him with a tree branch and then sodomized him with it. if i were enraged enough to go to that extent i think it would make more sense to bind and gag him, drive him 5 minutes to the open desert, put 2 rounds through his forehead then burn the body in an open grave. it could be done in less time and with less effort.

i honestly don't know. i feel the guy deserved it and i don't really have a problem with the street justice he received. the danger i see is that if this becomes acceptable, what would prevent me from killing the neighbor i don't like and then claiming he was a peeping tom?

any thoughts from the cooler minds lurking in the cellar?

Peeping tom in ICU

jaguar · 08-18-2004, 03:57 PM

Well, this kind of thing is the first baby step on the road to the breakdown of civilization, apart from that, not much to say really. We have a justice system, it's purpose is to decide what is just.

lookout123 · 08-18-2004, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jaguar

We have a justice system, it's purpose is to decide what is just.

no - it's purpose is to decide what is legal and prosecute violations. legal and just aren't the same thing.

Trilby · 08-18-2004, 04:30 PM

No--I wouldn't have assaulted him. I would have made him very uncomfortable while restraining him and call the cops. I would show up for every court hearing and I would make sure that the other men in jail with him knew what he was in for. Raping somebody with a tree branch is no joke. He may very well die and then those people will be up for murder.

garnet · 08-18-2004, 05:27 PM

I can understand that those people were pissed, and I could maybe understand if they slugged him a couple times. The whole tree branch thing is just twisted though--I don't think anybody could justify that.

lookout123 · 08-18-2004, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by garnet

The whole tree branch thing is just twisted though--I don't think anybody could justify that.

i'll agree with the tree branch sodomization job, but part of me still doesn't have a problem with clubbing him.

i've got personal experience (i didn't do it, relax) with someone who did take a guy out to the desert, pop him and bury him. i know it sounds brutal, but the guy in the situation got home from work and heard screams, only to find his wife being beaten and raped just outside the garage door. i can't say i look at the guy negatively for doing what he did.

Trilby · 08-18-2004, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

... someone who did take a guy out to the desert, pop him and bury him. i know it sounds brutal, but the guy in the situation got home from work and heard screams, only to find his wife being beaten and raped just outside the garage door. i can't say i look at the guy negatively for doing what he did.

Well-live by the sword...sometimes you just reap what you sow. Did the guy who killed the rapist get charged?

lookout123 · 08-18-2004, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Well-live by the sword...sometimes you just reap what you sow. Did the guy who killed the rapist get charged?

he would have to have been caught. so no - there were no charges.

jinx · 08-18-2004, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

he would have to have been caught. so no - there were no charges.

Did they report the rape? If not, how did the wife get medical treatment or counseling?

Radar · 08-18-2004, 06:09 PM

I'd have setup a log on top of a hill, tied his hands behind his back, nailed his testicles to the log, and kicked it down the hill. After that, I'd do something mean to him.

lookout123 · 08-18-2004, 06:13 PM

Here is the link to the Smoking Gun. you will see the mug shots of the people involved along with the police report.

The Smoking Gun

Nothing But Net · 08-18-2004, 07:41 PM

A couple of observations for this dude:

1) Don't do the crime if you can't take the pine.

2) Don't take a dick to a fistfight.

Seriously, the guy's a perv, but he didn't deserve this beat down, let alone the rest. From what I've read the child was not injured or even aware of what was going on. So the guy's crimes basically amount to voyuerism and public lewdness. A year or two in jail, then registered sex offender for life. I have to think it would probably screw up the kid's head even more to see someone get practically beaten to death outside her window.

The assailants, on the other hand, are looking at very long jail terms. So the little girl is orphaned. Sad all around.

I know if it was my house I would probably feel a little more jaded about what happened to him. But I wouldn't have tried to kill the guy. I would get the drop on him until the cops showed up, though.

Troubleshooter · 08-18-2004, 07:48 PM

The problem is the pedophile angle.

Research would lead me to solve the problem today instead of waiting for someone, someone innocent, to get hurt.

jane_says · 08-19-2004, 12:39 PM

I read about this yesterday and wasn't going to bring it up here, but since someone else has I'll give my $.02.
If this had happened to one of my kids, and I or the husband had caught him, he would have definitely gotten his ass kicked and would have been held until the cops arrived. As (over)protective as we are of our kids, I just can't see this fitting into our response (or anyone else's, for that matter). I think if I were truly concerned for the welfare of my child, I'd not want any ass-rapes going on in the vicinity. I just can't imagine that coming to mind, unless that was something you'd been looking for an excuse to do anyway. As pissed as I've ever been, I've never wanted to insert anything in anyone's ass.

I hope they get very long prison sentences, and I hope the little girl gets taken care of properly.

wolf · 08-19-2004, 01:07 PM

The guy's condition is improving.

I actually had a hard time composing the above ... neither "perv" nor "victim" sat right, although he may be both, and certainly is the latter. "Alleged Perv."

One thing I found very annoying is that there is no information in the body of the story posted to yahoonews that indicates where the assault occured ... I had to go to the news station's website and really had to search around that to learn that the attack occured in a suburb of Cleveland, OH.

08-18-2004, 03:54 PM	#1
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Extreme vigilante justice I first read throught this article and my thought was the "bastard got what he deserved". but then i thought a little more and decided that they should have simply restrained him and called the cops and left it up to the justice system. then i remembered that there is very little justice in the legal system - so i am hesitantly thinking that the guy got what he deserved. If i found a guy outside my 5 year old's window jerking off, would i do any different? maybe. i don't think i would have beat him with a tree branch and then sodomized him with it. if i were enraged enough to go to that extent i think it would make more sense to bind and gag him, drive him 5 minutes to the open desert, put 2 rounds through his forehead then burn the body in an open grave. it could be done in less time and with less effort. i honestly don't know. i feel the guy deserved it and i don't really have a problem with the street justice he received. the danger i see is that if this becomes acceptable, what would prevent me from killing the neighbor i don't like and then claiming he was a peeping tom? any thoughts from the cooler minds lurking in the cellar? Peeping tom in ICU __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

08-18-2004, 03:57 PM	#2
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Well, this kind of thing is the first baby step on the road to the breakdown of civilization, apart from that, not much to say really. We have a justice system, it's purpose is to decide what is just. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

08-18-2004, 06:09 PM	#10
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	I'd have setup a log on top of a hill, tied his hands behind his back, nailed his testicles to the log, and kicked it down the hill. After that, I'd do something mean to him. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

08-18-2004, 06:13 PM	#11
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Here is the link to the Smoking Gun. you will see the mug shots of the people involved along with the police report. The Smoking Gun __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

08-18-2004, 07:48 PM	#13
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	The problem is the pedophile angle. Research would lead me to solve the problem today instead of waiting for someone, someone innocent, to get hurt. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

08-18-2004, 04:30 PM	#4
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	No--I wouldn't have assaulted him. I would have made him very uncomfortable while restraining him and call the cops. I would show up for every court hearing and I would make sure that the other men in jail with him knew what he was in for. Raping somebody with a tree branch is no joke. He may very well die and then those people will be up for murder.

08-18-2004, 05:27 PM	#5
garnet ... Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 657	I can understand that those people were pissed, and I could maybe understand if they slugged him a couple times. The whole tree branch thing is just twisted though--I don't think anybody could justify that.

08-18-2004, 07:41 PM	#12
Nothing But Net Professor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Spring, Texas Posts: 1,481	A couple of observations for this dude: 1) Don't do the crime if you can't take the pine. 2) Don't take a dick to a fistfight. Seriously, the guy's a perv, but he didn't deserve this beat down, let alone the rest. From what I've read the child was not injured or even aware of what was going on. So the guy's crimes basically amount to voyuerism and public lewdness. A year or two in jail, then registered sex offender for life. I have to think it would probably screw up the kid's head even more to see someone get practically beaten to death outside her window. The assailants, on the other hand, are looking at very long jail terms. So the little girl is orphaned. Sad all around. I know if it was my house I would probably feel a little more jaded about what happened to him. But I wouldn't have tried to kill the guy. I would get the drop on him until the cops showed up, though.

08-19-2004, 12:39 PM	#14
jane_says Colonist Extraordinaire Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: SW VA Posts: 200	I read about this yesterday and wasn't going to bring it up here, but since someone else has I'll give my $.02. If this had happened to one of my kids, and I or the husband had caught him, he would have definitely gotten his ass kicked and would have been held until the cops arrived. As (over)protective as we are of our kids, I just can't see this fitting into our response (or anyone else's, for that matter). I think if I were truly concerned for the welfare of my child, I'd not want any ass-rapes going on in the vicinity. I just can't imagine that coming to mind, unless that was something you'd been looking for an excuse to do anyway. As pissed as I've ever been, I've never wanted to insert anything in anyone's ass. I hope they get very long prison sentences, and I hope the little girl gets taken care of properly.

08-19-2004, 01:07 PM	#15
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	The guy's condition is improving. I actually had a hard time composing the above ... neither "perv" nor "victim" sat right, although he may be both, and certainly is the latter. "Alleged Perv." One thing I found very annoying is that there is no information in the body of the story posted to yahoonews that indicates where the assault occured ... I had to go to the news station's website and really had to search around that to learn that the attack occured in a suburb of Cleveland, OH. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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