Global warming?

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Originally Posted by classicman

I'd guess there are some pics just like them somewhere from the U.S.

Can you suggest where I would look to find it? So far I've tried some notorious industrial shitholes: Gary, IN, Newark, NJ, and East Houston to Galveston TX, and there is nothing resembling Ma'anshan.

Another thing I notice in the satellite images is the color of the water. The satellites aren't picking up a true color, I think. But everywhere there's water, and humans, the water becomes discolored with algae and runoff and sewage discharge and stuff.

Eastern China:



Eastern US at the same zoom:



You can find the discoloration if you zoom in (but that's the point, Eastern CN is actually polluting a large section of the Pacific Ocean, while Boston can only manage to pollute the bay):



The worst I can find is Lake Erie, where the color seems to match the eastern CN a bit, around Toledo. Here it is at the same zoom as the Eastern CN:

Originally Posted by Redux

And, IMO, we should lead by example.

We are.

Or we can continue to pass the buck to China, and perhaps, over the longer term, let China becoming more of an innovator of cleaner, more efficient energy technologies and reap the benefits worldwide.

Funny thing about innovation... the Chinese will soon have the safest, most innovative nuclear power facilities in the world.

But the two major players building them are the US company Westinghouse and the French company Areva. Due to regulations the US hasn't built a plant in 30 years, but GE and Westinghouse are still major players.

(The economy for nuclear changed slightly under the B*sh administration when the B*sh DOE offered grants to recover high initial costs to build a nuke plant. They threw money at the problem, and several new plants will be built soon. But that's a temporary and expensive fix.)