Al Franken...is this for real?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Well, TG, from my international experience, exporting "the United States" and exporting liberty differ only minutely, and the difference if any isn't enough to get crabby about. If you've been outside our borders and seen for yourself, I haven't heard about it.

What we are boils down to "the most successful at it." Being the best example, it's hardly sinful to export it also. It is not in any case a one-way deal.

You might take a read of Thomas P.M. Barnett, too. The guy's scary good and there's a lot of interesting stuff in there. It's even intelligently nonpartisan.

Jingoist? Nah. Therefore, why do you insist on connecting me with jingoism? I'd like to see your argument.

You seem to be siezed with the idea that fascist and communist ideologies are something other than mass miseries. This gross misunderstanding prevents you from coming down on the side of the good, does it not? Where is there anything in fascism, communism, autocracy, or oligarchy that makes them worthy of preservation? This is not fanaticism, this is morals.