Its not just the Catholics anymore

SamIam · 04-09-2010, 08:46 AM

The Mormon Church has joined the fray in the abuse of innocent children. This time it is Boy Scouts. A Scout Master confessed that he had abused at least 17 scouts. Mormon officialdom allowed this man to continue to lead scout troops even after his wrong-doing came to light.

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PORTLAND, Ore. (CN) - A jury is deliberating whether the Boy Scouts of America and a local council were negligent in allowing a man to remain active in Scouting after he confessed to the Mormon bishop who supervised his troop that he had sexually abused at least 17 boys. The case has drawn national attention because the jury will be allowed to review some 2,900 "Ineligible Volunteer" files, in which the Scouts recorded suspected abuse by scoutmasters and scouts from 1964 to 1984.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/04/09/26265.htm

classicman · 04-09-2010, 09:16 AM

BAD Thread title. It never was just the Catholics.

Shawnee123 · 04-09-2010, 09:17 AM

It's not just the (insert wacked-out religion here) anymore.

It WAS just the Catholics where the top dogs were covering it up at such a level that they were basically sanctifying it, which has been the point all along. NO ONE thinks only Catholics are child molestors.

edit: church cover-ups that people KNEW about. This is a good thing, the exposure of other churches...church leaders should take heed, no matter the church. Touch one kid inappropriately...prosecute. It's easy to do. Just switch out some of the letters in "persecute."

SamIam · 04-09-2010, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

BAD Thread title. It never was just the Catholics.

Well, scuse me. I do the best I can with my befuddled tiny mind.

Shawnee123 · 04-09-2010, 09:32 AM

We forgive you. Say 10 Hail Marys and 5 Our Fathers.

classicman · 04-09-2010, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SamIam

Well, scuse me. I do the best I can with my befuddled tiny mind.

It wasn't that I thought you meant that Sam - It was more a case of the way it could be read.

Never said that, Shaw. Grrrrrrrr...

The implication I got from ...

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Its not just the Catholics anymore

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The Mormon Church has joined the fray...

The (insert religion of choice) have never been the only ones. They all have and they all probably still do to some degree. Just like large companies/corporations do with other things or tobacco companies did/do with the cancer info.

Shawnee123 · 04-09-2010, 09:37 AM

And Sam's point, along with others', has been that the church leaders, the big kahunas, covered it up.

Child molestation in religion and smoking risks in corporations? Are you serious?

Granted, I'd praise the Holy Tobacco before I'd praise the crap I was taught as a kid...but equating one's beloved church to big corp is REALLY a stretch.

Are you, then, saying the Catholic Church is really just a great big corporation?

classicman · 04-09-2010, 09:54 AM

And MY fuckin point is that is isn't and
NEVER HAS BEEN JUST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. Mmmkay?

yes, in the context of what I am saying

and yes - churches are more like tax free-corps

Shawnee123 · 04-09-2010, 09:56 AM

Go pray in your corporation then. I'm sure that's what Jebus envisioned.

Methinks he doth protest too much, hmmmmmmmmmm?

fuckity fuck fuck fuckity fucky fuck?...religion makes you PEACEFUL, cause it's all about the lovin' of the fellow man and all.

Peace out, man.

Shawnee123 · 04-09-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

It's not just the (insert wacked-out religion here) anymore.

It WAS just the Catholics where the top dogs were covering it up at such a level that they were basically sanctifying it, which has been the point all along. NO ONE thinks only Catholics are child molestors.

edit: church cover-ups that people KNEW about. This is a good thing, the exposure of other churches...church leaders should take heed, no matter the church. Touch one kid inappropriately...prosecute. It's easy to do. Just switch out some of the letters in "persecute."

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Originally Posted by classicman

And MY fuckin point is that is isn't and
NEVER HAS BEEN JUST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. Mmmkay?

yes, in the context of what I am saying

and yes - churches are more like tax free-corps

Did you miss my post, honey bumpkin?

classicman · 04-09-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Did you miss my post, honey bumpkin?

Nope got it right here -

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

It WAS just the Catholics...

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Originally Posted by classicman

And MY fuckin point is that is isn't and
NEVER HAS BEEN JUST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

I know I'm missing something . . . ???

Shawnee123 · 04-09-2010, 10:17 AM

Oh gawd I forgot why I don't converse with you on such topics.

IT WAS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WE WERE ALL HEARING ABOUT WHEN WE WERE INCENSED THAT THE BIG FUCKING FUCKERS WERE COVERING IT UP AND NOW WE'RE HEARING ABOUT OTHER CHURCHES COVERING UP AND THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR THE PRIESTLY DUDES AND NO ONE THINKS ITS JUST tHE CATHOLICS WHO ARE PEDOPHILES...

for fuck's sake. quit picking my posts apart into shreds...if you read the whole thing, as conversation (shut the fuck up before you say it, mercface) you MIGHT see my point.

Sheesh. I don't give a fuck about your stupid church...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkay? I don't care if you praise lightposts...if your leaders think it's OK to cover up crime I'm going to comment on that.

Catholics are so...fearful.

Cloud · 04-09-2010, 10:20 AM

Not just the Catholics that were abusers; and not just the Catholics who covered this up. EVERYONE covered this up; because NO ONE talked openly about it prior to the late 70s.

What people are not understanding is that these cases that are coming to light in the Catholic Church are old; in many cases far too old to prosecute--30, 40, 50 year old some of them. I can assure you, that in that time period, if Joe Baptist or whoever was abused, and reported it, their Baptist leaders (or whoever) covered it up too. Or, they moved their pastors around, or sent them to therapy until they were "cured" and put them back into circulation.

Yes, it was wrong, but in hindsight, we are trying to wrestle with this problem with a certain amount of openness and understanding that did not exist at the time.

Spexxvet · 04-09-2010, 10:21 AM

The church janitor was mopping behind the confessionals, when a preist rushed out and said to him "I have to pee real bad. Sit in the booth while I'm gone". The janitor sits in the confessional, and a woman comes in the other side, sits down, and says "father, forgive me, for I have sinned. I'm married and had sex with another man". The janitor told the woman "say an 'Our Father'". The woman said "but it was bad, father, it was with a black man". The janitor told her to "say an 'Our Father' and a 'Hail Mary'". The woman said " but father, it was ORAL sex". The janitor was at a loss, he didn't know what to give beyond an 'Our Father' and 'Hail Mary'. He peeked out the back of the confessional, hoping the preist was returning, but all he saw was an altar boy. He called the altar boy over and asked "what does father usually give for oral sex?" "A soda and a candy bar" said the altar boy.

Old, but applicable and still funny.

Spexxvet · 04-09-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

...Catholics are so...fearful.

Anyone whose power is based on unsubstantiated non-facts (faith) gets defensive when questioned.

04-09-2010, 09:16 AM	#2
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	BAD Thread title. It never was just the Catholics. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

04-09-2010, 09:17 AM	#3
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	It's not just the (insert wacked-out religion here) anymore. It WAS just the Catholics where the top dogs were covering it up at such a level that they were basically sanctifying it, which has been the point all along. NO ONE thinks only Catholics are child molestors. edit: church cover-ups that people KNEW about. This is a good thing, the exposure of other churches...church leaders should take heed, no matter the church. Touch one kid inappropriately...prosecute. It's easy to do. Just switch out some of the letters in "persecute." __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby Last edited by Shawnee123; 04-09-2010 at 09:35 AM.

04-09-2010, 09:32 AM	#5
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	We forgive you. Say 10 Hail Marys and 5 Our Fathers. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

04-09-2010, 09:37 AM	#7
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	And Sam's point, along with others', has been that the church leaders, the big kahunas, covered it up. Child molestation in religion and smoking risks in corporations? Are you serious? Granted, I'd praise the Holy Tobacco before I'd praise the crap I was taught as a kid...but equating one's beloved church to big corp is REALLY a stretch. Are you, then, saying the Catholic Church is really just a great big corporation? __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

04-09-2010, 09:54 AM	#8
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	And MY fuckin point is that is isn't and NEVER HAS BEEN JUST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. Mmmkay? yes, in the context of what I am saying and yes - churches are more like tax free-corps __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

04-09-2010, 09:56 AM	#9
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Go pray in your corporation then. I'm sure that's what Jebus envisioned. Methinks he doth protest too much, hmmmmmmmmmm? fuckity fuck fuck fuckity fucky fuck?...religion makes you PEACEFUL, cause it's all about the lovin' of the fellow man and all. Peace out, man. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

04-09-2010, 10:17 AM	#12
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Oh gawd I forgot why I don't converse with you on such topics. IT WAS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WE WERE ALL HEARING ABOUT WHEN WE WERE INCENSED THAT THE BIG FUCKING FUCKERS WERE COVERING IT UP AND NOW WE'RE HEARING ABOUT OTHER CHURCHES COVERING UP AND THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR THE PRIESTLY DUDES AND NO ONE THINKS ITS JUST tHE CATHOLICS WHO ARE PEDOPHILES... for fuck's sake. quit picking my posts apart into shreds...if you read the whole thing, as conversation (shut the fuck up before you say it, mercface) you MIGHT see my point. Sheesh. I don't give a fuck about your stupid church...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkay? I don't care if you praise lightposts...if your leaders think it's OK to cover up crime I'm going to comment on that. Catholics are so...fearful. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

04-09-2010, 10:20 AM	#13
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	Not just the Catholics that were abusers; and not just the Catholics who covered this up. EVERYONE covered this up; because NO ONE talked openly about it prior to the late 70s. What people are not understanding is that these cases that are coming to light in the Catholic Church are old; in many cases far too old to prosecute--30, 40, 50 year old some of them. I can assure you, that in that time period, if Joe Baptist or whoever was abused, and reported it, their Baptist leaders (or whoever) covered it up too. Or, they moved their pastors around, or sent them to therapy until they were "cured" and put them back into circulation. Yes, it was wrong, but in hindsight, we are trying to wrestle with this problem with a certain amount of openness and understanding that did not exist at the time. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

04-09-2010, 10:21 AM	#14
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	The church janitor was mopping behind the confessionals, when a preist rushed out and said to him "I have to pee real bad. Sit in the booth while I'm gone". The janitor sits in the confessional, and a woman comes in the other side, sits down, and says "father, forgive me, for I have sinned. I'm married and had sex with another man". The janitor told the woman "say an 'Our Father'". The woman said "but it was bad, father, it was with a black man". The janitor told her to "say an 'Our Father' and a 'Hail Mary'". The woman said " but father, it was ORAL sex". The janitor was at a loss, he didn't know what to give beyond an 'Our Father' and 'Hail Mary'. He peeked out the back of the confessional, hoping the preist was returning, but all he saw was an altar boy. He called the altar boy over and asked "what does father usually give for oral sex?" "A soda and a candy bar" said the altar boy. Old, but applicable and still funny. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

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