Get laid, fight sexism

piercehawkeye45 · 10-14-2009, 12:20 AM

A few days ago I stumbled across this website and against my first impression (I wasn't there for dating secrets...), was surprised and intrigued by three articles written by a dating coach and ex-pick up artist. Basically, the articles argue that in the dating sector, women have uneven amounts of power and men, being frustrated by this, are lashing out in self-destructive and sexist ways. He goes on to claim that by redefining masculinity and shifting power on more equal terms, healthier relationships will follow, benefiting both sexes. Here are the links to all three articles and I believe three more will be written in the near future.

http://www.datingsecretsformen.com/2...roblem-part-i/
http://www.datingsecretsformen.com/2...oblem-part-ii/
http://www.datingsecretsformen.com/2...tifying-women/

While I believe many of his arguments are weak, he mostly just claims that women have an uneven advantage in dating and expect us to believe him because he is a dating coach, and his biological statements are arguable, I agree with the main premise of the articles. I have personally noticed strong frustration by many men in terms of dating and meeting girls and I have also observed self-destructive behavior following from this. Internet culture is by far the best example of this. Any visit to most forums, especially forums such as 4-chan, will result in seeing a very large amount of sexism varying from sexist terms, to harsh generalization upon women, and jokes about degrading women. Pornography in the past few decades have become extremely degrading and many men enjoy hardcore porn where women are treated like dogs. Also, the rise of sites such as Maddox, Tucker Max, and other “fratire” writers directly show the beliefs and mindsets of young internet users. Besides that, it is obvious of male views just from listening and watching to how men view and treat women. Most believe that they can trick women into liking them, some women will fall for it too, and even more will blame their failures on women and not their strategy.

For the argument on power, I do not have a strong opinion either way since I have seen direct support from both sides. Obviously, many men abuse their privilege and there are still great hypocritical social stigmas against women but women seem to have a better ability to choose and have much greater success when approaching. Either way, there is a great problem with our society in this sector and power does have a major impact on it.

As for the solution, besides some minor details, I fully agree with the writer. The first step for better male/female relationship in dating and all areas is for men to stop treating women like objects. This will not only allow women to be treated as equals but make it easier for guys to meet and get women as well. I can’t believe how many times I’ve seen males fail at picking up women and remain confused while not noticing that they treat women like dirt and that is not seen as attractive. Besides that, most girls at bars have an impenetrable wall up at all times making them impossible to approach because of all the creepers and sexist assholes that have tried in the past. From a male’s perspective, it is much more beneficial to treat women with respect and if more men follow through on this, relationships and male/female interaction could benefit as a whole. Its sad how many people believe that the cocky sexist asshole is getting women because he is sexist. He is getting women because he is confident and can sexually entice them. Most “nice guys” are not sexually appealing to women because of a lack of social skills and confidence, yet their failure is blamed upon their respect towards women. Even worse, respect towards women is often used synonymously with pushover, which is not true within the least. I can say with certain that a confident secure male that is willing to tease yet treat a woman with respect will have much greater success than anyone else (by success I don’t mean one-night stands….cocky assholes will always have the advantage there). There are obviously many more factors involved, being well-liked by other women, looks, etc, but when taking out those factors, a secure confident non-sexist male will succeed over insecure cocky sexist assholes.

As for the last argument, getting men to focus on improving their personal lives is spot on for more reasons than just getting laid. While this is not true for everyone, self-improvement is one of the best ways to keep motivated, be happy, and reach one’s full potential. If the majority of men worked towards improving themselves, I would expect great changes in terms of politics, social dynamics, economy, and world relations.

So to sum this up with an ironic corny joke, get better at getting laid to fight against sexism.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-14-2009, 12:34 AM

Let Joceyln explain power.

piercehawkeye45 · 10-14-2009, 12:46 AM

Similar thing happened to a friend of mine. His girlfriend attacked him and he called the cops but refused to file charges, so charges were automatically put on him. He went on probation for a year as a result.

Although important, court cases usually go against the norm with sexism, racism, etc, and I don't like putting too much attention on them. Being black/gay/etc may help you win a few court cases or get into college, but 9 out of 10 times, it will be go against your favor.

Cloud · 10-14-2009, 03:00 PM

Hmm. Recalls to mind the guy who recently shot up a gym because he couldn't get a date or get laid. That couldn't possibly be because he was a creep--NO, it's all the women's fault.

Men: You want to be attractive to women? Grow up. Be civilized. Treat other people, including women, how you would want to be treated. Don't make excuses.

Shawnee123 · 10-14-2009, 04:11 PM

Awww, poor men. Now they (this man, you're not all sexist creeps) feel at a disadvantage in something? Oh boo fucking hoo.

And I wouldn't give you a plugged nickel for that Jocelyn either. What a loser.

Be a freaking human being. This is not a video game, dude.

Sheesh.

morethanpretty · 10-14-2009, 05:27 PM

Women only go for assholes. All men know that.

morethanpretty · 10-14-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

And I wouldn't give you a plugged nickel for that Jocelyn either. What a loser.

Jocelyn is the type of woman who needs to be beat. I volunteer!

I do feel bad for those kids, I sincerely doubt she is teaching them the right lessons. "He went to jail [for my own stupidity and because I'm too much of a selfish bitch to own up] and I got the kids. It all worked out." What a stupid bitch.

Clodfobble · 10-14-2009, 06:07 PM

Dude, her last name is "Testes-Harder." Surely it's satire?

morethanpretty · 10-14-2009, 06:13 PM

Whether this is satire or not, its way to close to actual occurrences. Most of us probably know of at least 1 story.
Yes, most of us also know a story of a pathetic loser male couldn't take rejection either and blamed the woman.

regular.joe · 10-14-2009, 06:34 PM

to quote one of my favorite comics, women have all the power because women have all the vaginas.

Truth.

Clodfobble · 10-14-2009, 06:38 PM

Vaginas only have power when they all unionize. Individual vaginas have no power, because there's all these other vaginas out there that are just as good as far as you guys are concerned.

ZenGum · 10-14-2009, 06:50 PM

Haggis.

And in this context, calling someone a "scab" takes on a whole new meaning.

piercehawkeye45 · 10-14-2009, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud

Men: You want to be attractive to women? Grow up. Be civilized. Treat other people, including women, how you would want to be treated. Don't make excuses.

Yes. Very few men my age realize that. They think the cocky asshole front works but it really just makes them seem insecure. You really just have to be genetically gifted or hang out with stupid/desperate girls to pull that off. Besides that, the mindset that men can buy out women is still widespread. Courting is so 100 years ago.

Quote:

Originally Posted by regular.joe

to quote one of my favorite comics, women have all the power because women have all the vaginas.

Truth.

False. You can always get muddy. :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Vaginas only have power when they all unionize. Individual vaginas have no power, because there's all these other vaginas out there that are just as good as far as you guys are concerned.

Young girls realize this...or at least use it for a self-defenses mechanism... They all travel in packs.

SamIam · 10-14-2009, 07:27 PM

I don't know what your age is, but I've seen plenty of men in their 50's do the cocky asshole thing. What's unattractive in one's 20's and 30's becomes downright loathsome after 40. The best (or worst part, depending on your point of view) is actually going back to one of these dude's apartments (yes, I admit to a lapse of judgement or two after too many Cuervo shooters). It turns out that Mr. Stud Muffin needs a strong dose of viagra which he can't afford to buy what with all the alimony payments and child support he owes. Still, he's sure you'll give him head or the perfect hand job so that he can get off, but he can also be depended upon to do nothing for his partner. FTTTTTT! It should be illegal for certain men to be around women of the non-inflatable kind.

TheMercenary · 10-14-2009, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Individual vaginas have no power, because there's all these other vaginas out there that are just as good as far as you guys are concerned.

Damm right about that! It's all pink on the inside.

10-14-2009, 12:20 AM	#1
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Get laid, fight sexism A few days ago I stumbled across this website and against my first impression (I wasn't there for dating secrets...), was surprised and intrigued by three articles written by a dating coach and ex-pick up artist. Basically, the articles argue that in the dating sector, women have uneven amounts of power and men, being frustrated by this, are lashing out in self-destructive and sexist ways. He goes on to claim that by redefining masculinity and shifting power on more equal terms, healthier relationships will follow, benefiting both sexes. Here are the links to all three articles and I believe three more will be written in the near future. http://www.datingsecretsformen.com/2...roblem-part-i/ http://www.datingsecretsformen.com/2...oblem-part-ii/ http://www.datingsecretsformen.com/2...tifying-women/ While I believe many of his arguments are weak, he mostly just claims that women have an uneven advantage in dating and expect us to believe him because he is a dating coach, and his biological statements are arguable, I agree with the main premise of the articles. I have personally noticed strong frustration by many men in terms of dating and meeting girls and I have also observed self-destructive behavior following from this. Internet culture is by far the best example of this. Any visit to most forums, especially forums such as 4-chan, will result in seeing a very large amount of sexism varying from sexist terms, to harsh generalization upon women, and jokes about degrading women. Pornography in the past few decades have become extremely degrading and many men enjoy hardcore porn where women are treated like dogs. Also, the rise of sites such as Maddox, Tucker Max, and other “fratire” writers directly show the beliefs and mindsets of young internet users. Besides that, it is obvious of male views just from listening and watching to how men view and treat women. Most believe that they can trick women into liking them, some women will fall for it too, and even more will blame their failures on women and not their strategy. For the argument on power, I do not have a strong opinion either way since I have seen direct support from both sides. Obviously, many men abuse their privilege and there are still great hypocritical social stigmas against women but women seem to have a better ability to choose and have much greater success when approaching. Either way, there is a great problem with our society in this sector and power does have a major impact on it. As for the solution, besides some minor details, I fully agree with the writer. The first step for better male/female relationship in dating and all areas is for men to stop treating women like objects. This will not only allow women to be treated as equals but make it easier for guys to meet and get women as well. I can’t believe how many times I’ve seen males fail at picking up women and remain confused while not noticing that they treat women like dirt and that is not seen as attractive. Besides that, most girls at bars have an impenetrable wall up at all times making them impossible to approach because of all the creepers and sexist assholes that have tried in the past. From a male’s perspective, it is much more beneficial to treat women with respect and if more men follow through on this, relationships and male/female interaction could benefit as a whole. Its sad how many people believe that the cocky sexist asshole is getting women because he is sexist. He is getting women because he is confident and can sexually entice them. Most “nice guys” are not sexually appealing to women because of a lack of social skills and confidence, yet their failure is blamed upon their respect towards women. Even worse, respect towards women is often used synonymously with pushover, which is not true within the least. I can say with certain that a confident secure male that is willing to tease yet treat a woman with respect will have much greater success than anyone else (by success I don’t mean one-night stands….cocky assholes will always have the advantage there). There are obviously many more factors involved, being well-liked by other women, looks, etc, but when taking out those factors, a secure confident non-sexist male will succeed over insecure cocky sexist assholes. As for the last argument, getting men to focus on improving their personal lives is spot on for more reasons than just getting laid. While this is not true for everyone, self-improvement is one of the best ways to keep motivated, be happy, and reach one’s full potential. If the majority of men worked towards improving themselves, I would expect great changes in terms of politics, social dynamics, economy, and world relations. So to sum this up with an ironic corny joke, get better at getting laid to fight against sexism. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

10-14-2009, 12:34 AM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Let Joceyln explain power. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-14-2009, 12:46 AM	#3
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Similar thing happened to a friend of mine. His girlfriend attacked him and he called the cops but refused to file charges, so charges were automatically put on him. He went on probation for a year as a result. Although important, court cases usually go against the norm with sexism, racism, etc, and I don't like putting too much attention on them. Being black/gay/etc may help you win a few court cases or get into college, but 9 out of 10 times, it will be go against your favor. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

10-14-2009, 03:00 PM	#4
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	Hmm. Recalls to mind the guy who recently shot up a gym because he couldn't get a date or get laid. That couldn't possibly be because he was a creep--NO, it's all the women's fault. Men: You want to be attractive to women? Grow up. Be civilized. Treat other people, including women, how you would want to be treated. Don't make excuses. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

10-14-2009, 04:11 PM	#5
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Awww, poor men. Now they (this man, you're not all sexist creeps) feel at a disadvantage in something? Oh boo fucking hoo. And I wouldn't give you a plugged nickel for that Jocelyn either. What a loser. Be a freaking human being. This is not a video game, dude. Sheesh. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-14-2009, 05:27 PM	#6
morethanpretty Thats "Miss Zipper Neck" to you. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: little town (but not the littlest) in texas Posts: 2,957	Women only go for assholes. All men know that. __________________ Addicts may suck dick for coke, but love came up with the idea to put a dick in there to begin with. -Jack O'Brien

10-14-2009, 06:07 PM	#8
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Dude, her last name is "Testes-Harder." Surely it's satire? __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

10-14-2009, 06:13 PM	#9
morethanpretty Thats "Miss Zipper Neck" to you. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: little town (but not the littlest) in texas Posts: 2,957	Whether this is satire or not, its way to close to actual occurrences. Most of us probably know of at least 1 story. Yes, most of us also know a story of a pathetic loser male couldn't take rejection either and blamed the woman. __________________ Addicts may suck dick for coke, but love came up with the idea to put a dick in there to begin with. -Jack O'Brien

10-14-2009, 06:34 PM	#10
regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	to quote one of my favorite comics, women have all the power because women have all the vaginas. Truth. __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

10-14-2009, 06:38 PM	#11
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Vaginas only have power when they all unionize. Individual vaginas have no power, because there's all these other vaginas out there that are just as good as far as you guys are concerned. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

10-14-2009, 06:50 PM	#12
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Haggis. And in this context, calling someone a "scab" takes on a whole new meaning. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

10-14-2009, 07:27 PM	#14
SamIam Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Not here Posts: 2,655	I don't know what your age is, but I've seen plenty of men in their 50's do the cocky asshole thing. What's unattractive in one's 20's and 30's becomes downright loathsome after 40. The best (or worst part, depending on your point of view) is actually going back to one of these dude's apartments (yes, I admit to a lapse of judgement or two after too many Cuervo shooters). It turns out that Mr. Stud Muffin needs a strong dose of viagra which he can't afford to buy what with all the alimony payments and child support he owes. Still, he's sure you'll give him head or the perfect hand job so that he can get off, but he can also be depended upon to do nothing for his partner. FTTTTTT! It should be illegal for certain men to be around women of the non-inflatable kind.

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