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Old 01-26-2009, 10:33 AM   #16
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Old 01-26-2009, 11:22 AM   #17
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Old 01-26-2009, 11:32 AM   #18
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:05 PM   #19
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The only thing we have to fear is the truth.
Whose version?
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:08 PM   #20
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The truthful one, not the other one "they" want you to believe.
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:14 PM   #21
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Is that the secret one? Cuz "they" ..... ya know. ;-)
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:17 PM   #22
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yea, that one....

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Old 01-26-2009, 06:17 PM   #23
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Usually the truth doesn't tell you much.

The United States invaded Iraq. That's the truth but doesn't tell you a whole lot. Most people want to know more, but any more than that gets subjective. To overcome that you have to tell both sides of why, but there's not just both sides of why, there's as many sides of why as there are people to ask.

Besides, you can't handle the truth.

I believe the truth is immutable and static. There are no "versions" of the truth. The truth is the truth regardless. Our perceptions on the other hand can be skewed by our experiences and philosophy.

I am starting with the belief that the government works for me, and I am entitled to know everything the government is doing, and as my servant, government has to be completely honest with me. I am also operating under the premise that only defensive force is appropriate force.

So when the government lies to the American people to start an unprovoked, unwarranted, and unconstitutional war of aggression against a nation that never posed any harm to ours, I know that the truth is my government is doing the wrong thing. When my government puts American soldiers in harms way without a legitimate reason, and without it being in the defense of our own country, I know they are doing the wrong thing. When my government openly spies on Americans, practices "rendition", eliminates habeas corpus, violates the Geneva convention, and locks people up who aren't guilty of so much as jay walking for years without access to a lawyer, without being charged with a crime, without any other due process, and while torturing people, sometimes to death....

I know the truth is my government is doing the wrong thing.
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