When Obama says things like this...

[piercehawkeye45]

Get used to it...

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Not so badly I didn't know it for nonsense, CM. You're not reading me any too well, or you'd understand why I reject it for being nonsense.

Rank prejudice against Republicans for trying to reduce antidemocracy globally is just capital-S Stupid: you wouldn't want to live under anything less than a democracy, so this kind of ranting is screaming against your own interests. Dumb dumb dumb. Also it puts you in a posture of hostility to all mankind, yourself at least putatively included. Stupid stupid stupid.

[slang]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

That GWB is not appreciated by the Left hardly makes him among the worst of history -- except among the Koolaidsters there, and I set their opinion at nil.

[illigal immigration]There are a few BIG things that I don't appreciate about W. [/illigal immigration]

It's entertaining to hear people complain about him though. He's the focus of everything bad that has ever happened in the universe. Is incapable of doing anything positive.

Many times just hearing them go on and on is better than watching cable TV.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Well, if you're singing "Schadenfreude, Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium..." sotto voce, maybe.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by slang

....It's entertaining to hear people complain about him though. He's the focus of everything bad that has ever happened in the universe. Is incapable of doing anything positive.
...

Sounds like the repubican take on the Clintons.

[piercehawkeye45]

Bush is just a scapegoat that doesn't mean much. Next election we will elect someone who will just do the same thing as him and nothing will change.

[slang]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Sounds like the repubican take on the Clintons.

True enough. The problem is that the extremes are becoming more dramatic.

One side is down and bitching, then the other side is down and bitching even louder. Each polar shift slides us closer to the extreme.

What happens for me when the tide shifts again and we've got a liberal socialist in office again? What the fuck do you think I'm doing cruising the world digging out a space for? I'll just leave until the political winds change. There will be options. I'm certain that many will appreciate my absence and I'll surely appreciate getting away from a left leaning US.

What does the next swing mean for the rest of the Americans? Will the election of the most devisive woman in the history of politics make half of the population crazy? Absolutely. Will they appear as crazy as the anti-Bush whackos? Surely.

Either way things go, there is a place for me to step out of the way and keep liberals and the like out of my life. It's a win-win.

[Spexxvet]

Is it liberals that you don't like, or the concept of liberalism?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Interesting question.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Actually, the problem is the illiberality of the socalled liberals. Socialism is not liberalism. If it's anything, it's childishness, the making of the State into a parent-figure, which has no way of not reducing the citizen to a dependent. The clearsighted see that this is a role the State is ill suited for, and cannot be modified into becoming without destroying a society, of which the State is an adjunct.

Dependency prevents adult thinking. I'm sure you can see how.

[slang]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Is it liberals that you don't like, or the concept of liberalism?

There are very few people that I can't imagine myself having a beer with, regardless of where they are coming from. If there is an ability that I have in life it's being able to relate to people one on one.

The friction starts when someone doesn't recognize when they are talking about something that I clearly don't believe in or support in any way. Or going further, that I actually despise. Read the body landguage and the tone of the people that you're around. Do you really want to irritate them? If yes, then you can normally learn how pretty quickly.

If you aren't trying to start and win some grand debate that you fancy yourself ( not you specifically ) as the world's leading authority, we'll get along fine. There are many of those people here at the cellar.

That goes the same for me. I can remember a few years ago at my brother's wedding in Pa. a re-learning experience for me.

Two of the female guests aked me to sit wth them as I was wandering around. I sat down and tried to make some small talk.

"I'm very glad to be back in Rep territory again. It just feels different being here in Pa as to being in Mass. It just seems free here." I said without thinking much at all. Most of the guests were my brothers friends and our relatives are almost all Reps. What's to think about?

The moment that I said that, one of the women got visibly red. You could just see that she was very pissed at what I would consider to be a plainly honest statement of my opinion. I can't remember exactly what she said but it was vile. Evil Reps this and W Bush that. I was shocked but I really should not have been. I wasn't paying attention.

This woman had a clearly "Hillary" hairstyle which should have bumped a message into my head. "Hey, make nice for a few minutes and bail out. She's one of those "Hillary's the greatest" bitches. Say a few benign sentences and slowly back away from the bitch."

Now I'd not say that out loud at that moment but that's what I'd think.

Do I hate liberals? No. Do I hate the ideas that they probably support and thier arrogance? Yes.

It's not my planet but if it was there wouldnt be any liberals. There wouldn't be long lines for organ transplant recipients either.

That's the reality. I can't change it. Liberal philosphy just doesn't add up to me. I'll do what I can to make the best of it. If what I used to think of as my country has changed in ways that I don't wish to adopt, I'll simply go somewhere more suited to my expectations.

[Undertoad]

She yelled at you, you would kill her if it was up to you... which side is more tolerant? S'a serious question.

[shina]

Originally Posted by slang

The friction starts when someone doesn't recognize when they are talking about something that I clearly don't believe in or support in any way.

But you can have a healthy debate without going overboard and insulting the other person's opinions. Some people do not know how to debate in good way.

Originally Posted by slang

Or going further, that I actually despise. Read the body landguage and the tone of the people that you're around. Do you really want to irritate them? If yes, then you can normally learn how pretty quickly.

On this I agree with you. Body language is a large part of communication. Something many folks do not recognize, however, I think most the candidates have this in check pretty well.

[slang]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

She yelled at you, you would kill her if it was up to you... which side is more tolerant? S'a serious question.

Until you consider the chances of this Hill bitch opening her mouth......and me ruling the planet.

No one needs to be concerned. But if it were up to me......

[slang]

Originally Posted by shina

....Some people do not know how to debate in good way.

In this specific case the woman was just worked up over a long period of time. A lot of anti Bush people have been. I should have been thinking at that moment.

It was clear as a bell what her leanings were just looking at her. Now days I look for people that "look like peope". It's not a mistake IMO.