Are conversations about relationships held hostage by political correctness? - Page 2

10-10-2006, 02:11 AM

No.
If someone cannot converse on a subject without being PC it just means they are ignorant, inarticulate or both. Probably the latter.
(Per the orig. post)

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Sundae · 10-10-2006, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bmwmcaw

What’s the sense of dialogue when it becomes a lousy tit-4-tat of insults and accusations?

Why isn't it about ideas and issues?

I lot heat but no light.

Is this how students are taught argumentation in school?

Have schools be come self-censored because of the PC police?

I am answering this directly, despite having misgivings about your reasons for starting this thread.

I believe the sexual history thread really was about ideas and issues. I reposted in response to Bruce when he corrected one of my assumptions for example. I asked 9th Engineer for more input as his ideas were very different from mine and although I didn't think I could agree with him, I was interested in a different viewpoint.

The threads on Relationships in general do not follow PC themes. Perhaps there is a liberal bias on this board, but I think that is because people here have open minds and extensive life experience, not because we think "Oh God, I can't say that in case I offend someone!"

Witouth being patronising I suggest you read more threads here, and espeically on different topics. You might be surprised that someone you perceive as PC to the hilt is very conservative on other issues.

BTW I assume behind your typo you were saying, "I got heat but no light". Again, I refer you to 9th Engineer. Read his posts, the way they are written and how people have responded to him. It's not always what you say, it's how you say it.

There. I feel like a bit of a sucker for taking this seriously, but at least I feel I have made an effort now.

mrnoodle · 10-10-2006, 09:31 AM

It's not so much political correctness around here. It's more that people want their points of view validated by the person they're arguing with, imo. If someone calls you an asshole, they don't want you to explain why you're NOT an asshole. They want you to admit that your argument isn't as good as theirs is.

There's a goodly number of women here ("liberated" ones, even). Cutting giant, sweeping swaths with your gender-based assumptions is going to get you labelled a misogynist. mysoginyst. misoginyst. whatever. We have several unapologetic assholes here, each with their take on the world. That's what makes it fun. Calling something PC is this year's Godwin. meh.

Shawnee123 · 10-10-2006, 09:41 AM

I love how so many of these threads (not just these relationship ones) are being taken over by people telling you what you should post and how you should post it...for EITHER side.

Opinions, accusations, facts, reality, non-reality, personal experience, out of world experience...thought all was fine fodder for conversational threads. You get your feet in the water, your feet are gonna get wet.

Now, however, I guess we should bring towels for those who get splashed.

10-10-2006, 12:35 PM

BTW, there is a huge difference between polite and PC.

Trilby · 10-10-2006, 12:41 PM

Some people get really pissed if you say negative, hateful things about, oh, I dunno, their religion or values; when you come off as Holier Than Thou. Yeah, people like that push my buttons.

Assholes, IMHO, are people who are constantly pointing out the speck in the eyes of others while the beam is firmly in place in their own.

Trilby · 10-10-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

Cutting giant, sweeping swaths with your gender-based assumptions is going to get you labelled a misogynist.

Just like cutting giant, sweeping swaths about race-based assumptions is going to get you labelled a racist. If the head fits...

10-10-2006, 01:18 PM

My point has been and continues to be; if you take a position for or against a subject, topic, or comment then say it and explain it.

I've answered many questions with concise and detailed rebuttles. What I have goten in return is personal attacks, insults, and "opinions" that are not referenced either by researchable material or direct observations.

My point in the other strings regarding biological differences between the sexes and its social impact was completely unaddressed.

The question of paternity was completely unaddressed as well as many other pointed topics that got no response.
Instead the poster turned to cheap shots and evading the issues by making the argument about me (or any other poster) instead of engaging the issues.

It’s fine to disagree. It’s great that you disagree. But making it personal is immature and weak. I would rather you not post anything than what I've seen posted by many of the so called intelligencia here.

mrnoodle · 10-10-2006, 01:31 PM

Brianna, I think you misunderstood my point. I was telling bmwmcaw taht he should expect to get called on misogynistic comments.

You are making it a point to call me out ever since I took a position on my religion. I'm not sure why.

mrnoodle · 10-10-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Just like cutting giant, sweeping swaths about race-based assumptions is going to get you labelled a racist. If the head fits...

Between this, some random comment you made in another thread (I think the cellar pics) and the PM, you have me completely and utterly bumfuzzled.

I'm not attacking you, k? If anything, I'm not really even paying attention. Stop trying to manufacture a war where there is none. You ask my opinion on subjects, I'll give it (you don't even have to ask). But as far as some kind of personal deal........none exists. Sorry if you feel otherwise.

Edit: my internet explorer keeps crashing...i thought the previous post didn't go through. anyway, they both still apply.

Stormieweather · 10-10-2006, 02:04 PM

I don't believe in being PC. I have my opinions and feelings and you are free to either agree, disagree or disregard them. I'm certainly not afraid to speak up on subjects that matter to me although I have no burning desire to convince anyone that I am 'right' or that my arguement has more basis in 'fact' than anyone else's. I am always interested in learning and if you have a persuasive arguement for your stance, I'll gladly listen and possibly even alter my point of view.

However, I find it pointless to engage in dialogue with someone who is unwilling to listen to my side or explain the reasoning behind their own opinion. Throwing an opinion out there and claiming it is fact with no room for negotiation or discussion will end my participation in the conversation very quickly.

I do try to be polite and not personally attack people who disagree with me. Personal attacks are usually a sign of a weak position and is really unnecessary in an intelligent conversation. I generally disengage when someone resorts to name-calling or personal insults.

Stormie

yesman065 · 10-10-2006, 02:10 PM

I would like to personally apologize to all the cellarites for my behavior.

Aliantha · 10-10-2006, 06:16 PM

Which behaviour are you aplogizing for yesman? lol

morethanpretty · 10-10-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bmwmcaw

I would rather you not post anything than what I've seen posted by many of the so called intelligencia here.

Perhaps then you shouldn't post?

And many of us did address your "points" you apparently just misread them, or tagged a hostile attitude to what they were saying and therefore disregarded them. And the sources you used? not reliable whatsoever.

9th Engineer · 10-10-2006, 09:42 PM

I've been rather confused about Bri lately myself, never crossed words on anything much before, but in a few posts it's like I need to change my sig to "This is not a personal attack Brianna"

10-10-2006, 09:31 AM	#18
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	It's not so much political correctness around here. It's more that people want their points of view validated by the person they're arguing with, imo. If someone calls you an asshole, they don't want you to explain why you're NOT an asshole. They want you to admit that your argument isn't as good as theirs is. There's a goodly number of women here ("liberated" ones, even). Cutting giant, sweeping swaths with your gender-based assumptions is going to get you labelled a misogynist. mysoginyst. misoginyst. whatever. We have several unapologetic assholes here, each with their take on the world. That's what makes it fun. Calling something PC is this year's Godwin. meh. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

10-10-2006, 09:41 AM	#19
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I love how so many of these threads (not just these relationship ones) are being taken over by people telling you what you should post and how you should post it...for EITHER side. Opinions, accusations, facts, reality, non-reality, personal experience, out of world experience...thought all was fine fodder for conversational threads. You get your feet in the water, your feet are gonna get wet. Now, however, I guess we should bring towels for those who get splashed. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-10-2006, 01:31 PM	#24
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	Brianna, I think you misunderstood my point. I was telling bmwmcaw taht he should expect to get called on misogynistic comments. You are making it a point to call me out ever since I took a position on my religion. I'm not sure why. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

10-10-2006, 02:04 PM	#26
Stormieweather Wearing her bitch boots Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Floriduh Posts: 1,181	I don't believe in being PC. I have my opinions and feelings and you are free to either agree, disagree or disregard them. I'm certainly not afraid to speak up on subjects that matter to me although I have no burning desire to convince anyone that I am 'right' or that my arguement has more basis in 'fact' than anyone else's. I am always interested in learning and if you have a persuasive arguement for your stance, I'll gladly listen and possibly even alter my point of view. However, I find it pointless to engage in dialogue with someone who is unwilling to listen to my side or explain the reasoning behind their own opinion. Throwing an opinion out there and claiming it is fact with no room for negotiation or discussion will end my participation in the conversation very quickly. I do try to be polite and not personally attack people who disagree with me. Personal attacks are usually a sign of a weak position and is really unnecessary in an intelligent conversation. I generally disengage when someone resorts to name-calling or personal insults. Stormie __________________ "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi

10-10-2006, 06:16 PM	#28
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Which behaviour are you aplogizing for yesman? lol __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-10-2006, 12:35 PM	#20
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	BTW, there is a huge difference between polite and PC.

10-10-2006, 12:41 PM	#21
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Some people get really pissed if you say negative, hateful things about, oh, I dunno, their religion or values; when you come off as Holier Than Thou. Yeah, people like that push my buttons. Assholes, IMHO, are people who are constantly pointing out the speck in the eyes of others while the beam is firmly in place in their own.

10-10-2006, 01:18 PM	#23
bmwmcaw Guest Posts: n/a	My point has been and continues to be; if you take a position for or against a subject, topic, or comment then say it and explain it. I've answered many questions with concise and detailed rebuttles. What I have goten in return is personal attacks, insults, and "opinions" that are not referenced either by researchable material or direct observations. My point in the other strings regarding biological differences between the sexes and its social impact was completely unaddressed. The question of paternity was completely unaddressed as well as many other pointed topics that got no response. Instead the poster turned to cheap shots and evading the issues by making the argument about me (or any other poster) instead of engaging the issues. It’s fine to disagree. It’s great that you disagree. But making it personal is immature and weak. I would rather you not post anything than what I've seen posted by many of the so called intelligencia here.

10-10-2006, 02:10 PM	#27
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	I would like to personally apologize to all the cellarites for my behavior.

10-10-2006, 09:42 PM	#30
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	I've been rather confused about Bri lately myself, never crossed words on anything much before, but in a few posts it's like I need to change my sig to "This is not a personal attack Brianna" __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

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