Affirmative Action Unnecessary?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The AA hiring system doesn't bother me near as much as what happens inside the company in the name of cultural diversity. Most medium to large companies already know what your job is and exactly how they want you to perform it. Cultural diversity is a sham, a show, because they don't really want diversity but conformity.

I know what you mean because in the case of "Cultural diversity" the organization can set their own rules and benchmarks for what is sucess in that arena. It boggles the mind what organizations will do to be PC for outward appearence all the while practicing their own form of internal discrimination toward what ever the minority group may be at the time.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Well of course I admit. Afirmative Action is alive and well in some few remaining places. There are however, a number of places doing away with it and in my opinon, it is long over due for a death.

So is discrimination.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

So is discrimination.

Discrimination is alive and well in the US. And now we are seeing reverse discrimination by blacks towards whites. We see minorities promote minorities behind the guise of AA and "Cultural Diversity". All I am saying is that if you want an even playing field do what all the great black leaders of the Civil Rights Movement preached, remove color from the equation all together and promote solely on merit. Any of you ever spent any time in Miami where English has become a second language?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

... remove color from the equation all together and promote solely on merit...

I agree. Now, since we all know that it doesn't happen , what's your solution? What can we do to make that happen?

[Spexxvet]

Come on, you know the answer....

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Cultural diversity is a sham, a show, because they don't really want diversity but conformity.

'Cause true diversity comes from people who look different.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Ibram

'Cause true diversity comes from people who look different.

Yea true, but I am not really advocating that or am I against it. I want the smartest people in the best jobs and best schools I don't care about their color.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I agree. Now, since we all know that it doesn't happen , what's your solution? What can we do to make that happen?

I would suggest taking all pictures and names off applications. Give them a number. This will allow all kinds of people to make it through any subjective process people use for hiring, promotion, or school admission.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I would suggest taking all pictures and names off applications. Give them a number. This will allow all kinds of people to make it through any subjective process people use for hiring, promotion, or school admission.

Ok, then. Make it so.

[piercehawkeye45]

I agree with Mercenary on the removing the names and pictures from applications.

The biggest problem is that minorities are born into poor families and are disadvantaged from that. Racism and classism are being molded into one beast. If we can work on the elimination of classism, racism will go away as well.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Racism and classism are being molded into one beast. If we can work on the elimination of classism, racism will go away as well.

The problem with that solution is the proponents of elimination of classism find the solutions in wealth redistribution. I will have no part of that under any circumstance. Taxes are a form of wealth redistribution and more taxes are not a solution. Socialist forms of society are not going to cut it here.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The problem with that solution is the proponents of elimination of classism find the solutions in wealth redistribution. I will have no part of that under any circumstance. Taxes are a form of wealth redistribution and more taxes are not a solution. Socialist forms of society are not going to cut it here.

Wealth is being redstributed all the time. When I spend money, it goes into rich people's pockets, so they can buy more unnecessary stuff.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I would suggest taking all pictures and names off applications. Give them a number. This will allow all kinds of people to make it through any subjective process people use for hiring, promotion, or school admission.

Wait... I just heard from a minority who didn't have to put his name or picture on an application. When he was interviewed, though, the company representative saw that he is a minority, and disqualified him from the job prospect.

How can we make sure that minorities are not discriminated against?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Wait... I just heard from a minority who didn't have to put his name or picture on an application. When he was interviewed, though, the company representative saw that he is a minority, and disqualified him from the job prospect.

How can we make sure that minorities are not discriminated against?

You can't. Advancement and employment by merit. Nothing else. Why do you think I should hire someone who has a highschool diploma over a person who has a college degree beacause the person with the diploma is black? That is the problem we have now under AA. Unqualified minorities in jobs as tokens so an organization can stand up and say look I hired a minority. How do you prevent that? People who are fully and more importantly more qualified for jobs and schools are pushed aside in the name of political correctness. I ain't buying it and I do not support it.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The problem with that solution is the proponents of elimination of classism find the solutions in wealth redistribution. I will have no part of that under any circumstance. Taxes are a form of wealth redistribution and more taxes are not a solution. Socialist forms of society are not going to cut it here.

I was not talking about getting rid of classes (different issue) but the discrimination against the lower class. If you are poor and you skip class, you are looked as lazy and worthless, if you are rich and you skip class, you are looked as a rebel.

Why do you think I should hire someone who has a highschool diploma over a person who has a college degree beacause the person with the diploma is black?

I agree with this on the surface but when you look deeper you find the real problem. Does the black person with a high school diploma have the same chance as the white person with a college degree to get into college in the first place? This is the real problem in my opinion and AA is only a cover to hide this.