What everyone is too polite to say about Steve Jobs

footfootfoot · 10-10-2011, 07:30 PM

I'll be the first:
I'm not sorry about ur pancreas.

http://gawker.com/5847344/what-every...out-steve-jobs

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...One thing he wasn't, though, was perfect. Indeed there were things Jobs did while at Apple that were deeply disturbing. Rude, dismissive, hostile, spiteful: Apple employees—the ones not bound by confidentiality agreements—have had a different story to tell over the years about Jobs and the bullying, manipulation and fear that followed him around Apple. Jobs contributed to global problems, too. Apple's success has been built literally on the backs of Chinese workers, many of them children and all of them enduring long shifts and the specter of brutal penalties for mistakes. And, for all his talk of enabling individual expression, Jobs imposed paranoid rules that centralized control of who could say what on his devices and in his company...

BigV · 10-10-2011, 07:36 PM

I'll pile on.

Witness the difference in the culture of the iPhone application store and the Android marketplace. Jobs had a lot going for him. But I think his desire for centralized control has stifled some creativity. I do not like the idea that all of it had to be vetted by one entity, Apple as opposed to the hectic fecundity of the Android marketplace.

glatt · 10-10-2011, 07:43 PM

I had one of the original iMacs. The thing crashed all the time. I had an unbent paper clip always sitting next to it to push into the tiny "restart" hole on the side. Plus it had a round mouse, so you had to visually confirm the orientation before you could use it.

I have a 5th generation iPod. The face is so soft, it was all scratched up after about a month of riding by itself in my pocket with the ear buds.

But I had an earlier Mac (Performa 578) that was pretty good at the time, and a nice laser printer.

I doubt I'll ever buy another Apple product.

Pete Zicato · 10-10-2011, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

I'll be the first:
I'm not sorry about ur pancreas.

Oooh. That seems a bit strong.

It's true that current stories are mostly just talking about the positive side of Steve. Those of us in the industry are well aware of the stories of Jobs' temper and the Steve Jobs distortion field. No one person is all good or all bad. When his life it tallied up, I'd say he was a good thing for the industry and for our generation.

But no, not perfect.

DanaC · 10-11-2011, 03:22 AM

I think the man was a genius and will be much missed.

I also think he had a fucking big pole up his arse when it came to central control (as has been mentioned).

I think one of the biggest laughs I had last year (think was last year) was when Steve Jobs wrote an open letter (I think in response to an open letter from Adobe) citing as one of his reasons for not allowing Adobe Flash on the i-phone/pad/pod that adobe is too proprietary.

Itunes and apple products are awesome, if you don't mind your usage being predetermined. I love my iphone. My mum loves her i-pad. It's perfect for her. What she needs, and what Apple have provided, is 'appliance computing'. No bugs, no glitches, no conflicts no grinding. Perfect.

Not much use if you want to watch certain formats, perform certain tasks, share the media you've fucking well bought (seriously, DRM? Get fucked.) then you need a proper computer or non-apple tablet.

I'm a very recent convert to the joys of ipod and iphones. I held off for a long time in protest against the proprietary and nailed down nature of apple products. I detested the way new OS would come out for the mac, but without backwards compatibility. I detested the way some formats just wouldn't work. And, frankly, to be able to run the kinds of games I used to run, and play the way I played, I needed a pc. I have been a PC gal since the 90s and have no intention of changing: my main comp and my laptop are both windows machines.

Jobs was a visionary. And we should rihtly celebrate his contribution. But he certainly wasn't a saint.

Bill Gates is and always has been one of my heroes. He did for personal computers, what Steve Jobs did for consumable media platforms. Taken together they've fundamentally altered the world we live in.

footfootfoot · 10-11-2011, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

Oooh. That seems a bit strong.

It's true that current stories are mostly just talking about the positive side of Steve. Those of us in the industry are well aware of the stories of Jobs' temper and the Steve Jobs distortion field. No one person is all good or all bad. When his life it tallied up, I'd say he was a good thing for the industry and for our generation.

But no, not perfect.

Cheap shot, too soon.

Gravdigr · 10-11-2011, 02:37 PM

I, too, had read (in many places) that the man could be an asshat at times. But, I didn't wanna go there by myself.

Also, I reckon the guy parked anywhere he damn-well pleased.

ZenGum · 10-11-2011, 06:55 PM

Isn't it ironic that his cause of death is abbreviated as "PC"?

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

Cheap shot, too soon.

Replied for you.

footfootfoot · 10-11-2011, 08:15 PM

Ooooo

TheMercenary · 10-11-2011, 08:26 PM

I am the king of "polite".....

wolf · 10-12-2011, 12:30 AM

Despite what people have been saying for years about Microsloth, Apple really is the Borg.

I've been saying that (or something at least similar) ever since they hunted down and killed Franklin, back when Bill Gates was saying "hardware, shmardware. Can I show you something in a nice operating system?"

ZenGum · 10-12-2011, 03:32 AM

Apple's DRM shit is enough for me to boycott them.

The GPS tracking is damn sinister.

footfootfoot · 10-12-2011, 09:23 AM

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tw · 10-12-2011, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

I think the man was a genius and will be much missed.

He was not a genius. In fact, I suspect he was rather nasty. As was Walter Cronkite and Peter Jennings. What Jobs did was empower the geniuses. He was all about the product; screw the finance. He made the company so profitable by ignoring profits. The product was more important. He knew what a genius could do - and encouraged such people.

Management never makes these decisions. Management only defines a strategic objective. Decisions are made and succeed when management permits them to happen. Jobs did that.

DanaC · 10-12-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

He was not a genius.

I like how you just state that as a bald fact :p

Neither you nor I are qualified to make such a statement.

10-10-2011, 07:36 PM	#2
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	I'll pile on. Witness the difference in the culture of the iPhone application store and the Android marketplace. Jobs had a lot going for him. But I think his desire for centralized control has stifled some creativity. I do not like the idea that all of it had to be vetted by one entity, Apple as opposed to the hectic fecundity of the Android marketplace. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

10-11-2011, 02:37 PM	#7
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	I, too, had read (in many places) that the man could be an asshat at times. But, I didn't wanna go there by myself. Also, I reckon the guy parked anywhere he damn-well pleased. __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

10-11-2011, 08:15 PM	#9
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Ooooo __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

10-11-2011, 08:26 PM	#10
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I am the king of "polite"..... __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

10-12-2011, 12:30 AM	#11
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Despite what people have been saying for years about Microsloth, Apple really is the Borg. I've been saying that (or something at least similar) ever since they hunted down and killed Franklin, back when Bill Gates was saying "hardware, shmardware. Can I show you something in a nice operating system?" __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

10-10-2011, 07:43 PM	#3
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I had one of the original iMacs. The thing crashed all the time. I had an unbent paper clip always sitting next to it to push into the tiny "restart" hole on the side. Plus it had a round mouse, so you had to visually confirm the orientation before you could use it. I have a 5th generation iPod. The face is so soft, it was all scratched up after about a month of riding by itself in my pocket with the ear buds. But I had an earlier Mac (Performa 578) that was pretty good at the time, and a nice laser printer. I doubt I'll ever buy another Apple product.

10-12-2011, 03:32 AM	#12
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Apple's DRM shit is enough for me to boycott them. The GPS tracking is damn sinister. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

10-12-2011, 09:23 AM	#13
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	. Attached Images __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

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