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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
Your cutsie bumper sticker, ... has no bearing on the realities or consequences of any actions taken but the coalition in Afghanistan.
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And let's be perfectly clear about this. We have no idea if we have already lost. The consequences of not doing nation building may have already sown the seeds of defeat. At some time, we must decide whether we were already defeated long ago when George Jr all but surrendered to the Taliban in 2003.
All other relevant parties are also making decisions based upon what occurred in 2003. For example, why would Pakistan want to be helpful? Pakistan is vying for control after America leaves. Pakistan is at war with India over who will be their ally in Afghanistan. From Pakistan's viewpoint - and especially because Afghanistan is so much like the South Vietnamese government (corrupt) - Pakistan only cares about winning the hearts and minds of the victor. Doing so to defeat India.
How do we get Pakistan to conduct war against the Taliban? The Karzai government must be replaced by a government that does not promote overt corruption. But that is not going to happen. Just one of so many reasons why we have been defeated so many years ago. And we still do not yet know it.
How do great nations fold? They end up trying to get into wars everywhere. The two longest (hot) wars in America's history - Mission Accomplished and Afghanistan. And we are paying for them at Halliburton prices using Chinese money.
Even if we win militarily, how serious is this defacto defeat? And bin Laden still runs free thanks to George Jr's surrender in 2003. Never forget the disaster preached by George Jr when he said, "America does not do nation building."