"Openly Gay", 13 Year Old?
 

I find this AP story a little disturbing.
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NEW YORK (AP) - An openly gay teenager received a $30,000 settlement from the city over her suspension for wearing a "Barbie is a Lesbian" T-shirt to school, her attorney announced Thursday.

Natalie Young, now 15 and in high school, wore the shirt to middle school in April 2002, leading school officials to send her home for the day despite the absence of any official dress code.

The teen said the settlement should make life easier on other openly gay schoolchildren: "I think they should feel more comfortable about who they are."

Young was pulled from class by the school principal and ordered to sit in an office until she changed the shirt. When she refused, she was suspended for the day.

Young's lawyer, Ron Kuby, filed the federal suit last June, alleging the incident was part of a series of discriminatory incidents.

Resolving the suit without litigation was "the appropriate decision," city lawyer Donna M. Kasbohm said. The city Department of Education agreed to establish a policy on student dress as part of the deal.
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OK, I'm a couple generations away from this girl, so maybe the tee shirt is now acceptable for Jr High school.
But, I question whether a 13 yo, openly gay, Jr high student, is mature enough to make choices of that gravity. I'm talking the choice of sexual orientation, not clothing.
Am I that out of touch with children?

Kid's an attention seeker.
I do find suspending someone for wearing a tshirt pretty fucking stupid though.

Another professional victim. Girl will probably go far in life. :mad:

Oh I don't know, I was definitely openly hetero at age 13. I don't remember there being a choice though, just sorta happened.

Kids are pregnant at 10, and dating at 12 now.

They feel empowered by a generation of parents who feel as if it is their responsibility to be their child's friend instead of their guide and guardian.

The question is, would that school be consistent and suspend someone that came in with a t-shirt that says 'Barbie is a heterosexual'. I think they would have. Grammar schools have to walk a tightrope when it comes to sex in general, regardless of orientation. That t-shirt was not age-appropriate school clothes. Schools are run by prudes, but this is a safer situation than if the schools were tilted in the other direction.


At the last school I worked at, a girl (7th or 8th grade) was offended because the teacher rejected her choice of flags for a report. The flag was supposed to be a flag of a nation, and the girl chose the gay pride rainbow flag. Ugh.

I think the one which was even more tragic was the school which, with corporate sponsorship, had a 'Coke' day and sent home a kid for wearing a Pepsi T-shirt.

Coke Pepsi war at school



Sometimes I think public school is a training ground to introduce children to the concept that they will soon be forced to conform in a world filled with vain, power-hungry, and sometimes vicious individuals enforcing unnecessarily oppresive and capricious rules for their own comfort and amusement.

BTW Bruce, Barbie did recently break up with Ken and has not been seen in public with any new male partners. Maybe the kid was right.:p

"It is not a Coke-Pepsi war issue," she said. "It has to do with a student being deliberately disruptive and rude."

Since when is showing a competing product considered rude and disruptive? THIS is the kid that should sue and make money.

and people wonder why I disparage the US school system.

Well, according to the story there's no dress code at the school. That's just plain stupid IMO. And while I don't really think it was appropriate school-wear, I also don't think they can nail her for breaking a rule that doesn't exist.

This issue was decided by the Supreme Court during the Vietnam War when students were disciplined for wearing black armbands in protest. The court's message was that there is a wide gulf between what the school just doesn't like and what is actually disruptive.

I think it works like 'Unlimited' broadband plans with 'Acceptable Usage' policies.

Oh please....the kid was probably some snot nosed little jerk who would have been better off with a good ass whooping.

I am butt achingly sore today from cutting wood, I think I'll sue the chainsaw manufacturer on Monday for my distress.

We are becoming a nation of shameless litigation, that said the school probably deserves being sued for having a Coke day in the first place.

I would just like consistency. If a girl gets $30,000 for that stunt she pulled, this kid is much more entitled in his situation.

But I agree with you blue, this sort of thing really should not be reduced to sueing and cash settlements.

In the end it has to be, since we have decided on capitalism as our economic system. Things you get for free do not get much attention, where something that costs you money does. A school board that gets a strongly worded letter will not pay attention. A school board that gets a $30,000 settlement which they have to explain to their voters does.

If we could find some way to give school boards detention, suspensions, or better yet corporal punishment when they do some mind-boggling stupid acts, I'd be all for it.

If you want to really make it hurt, pull the funds out of the School Board's SALARY rather than the school funds. :)

The Barbie shirt is better than the street-walker appropriate clothing, often worn by middle school girls these days... meanwhile, I'm gonna keep paying Catholic school tuition, while folks try to decide whether or not children are important enough to hold to some level of decorum. There are consequences to having education controlled by politics. Griff is apparently a mouth breathing conservative on the issue of ruining kids lives for the sake of political ax(e) grinding.

And why I wouldn't even dream of raising a kid in today's school society.

*gettin' old...* :D

What's needed is a kid to sue for emotional distress over the comment about Barbie ... Mattel could testify as to Barbie's sexual orientation at the trial and settle the matter once and for all.

Well at least we now know why Barbie broke up with Ken.

I wonder what the "series of discriminatory incidents" were. I've seen some torture go down unaddressed or encouraged. I would say that there are 13 year olds that have identified their sexual orientation, even if generally not sexually active. Rock on, lil' rebel dyke.

According to what I've read in parenting literature, young girls often test their sexuality and decide to be lesbian for a while. If a girl decides to come out of the closet, it's quite likely to be 'just a phase'. If a boy decides to come out of the closet, he's much more likely to remain gay.

I recall my first 'girlfriend' as having boasted to the boyfriend of her best friend that she had made out with her before he had. Months later, the first girl was going out with him, and, to my knowledge, still is.


As an aside, I wonder what a thirteen year old girl will do with thirty thousand dollars. I hope that her parents(/guardians) stow it away to pay for collelge five years in the future.

I've been told "every" girl has an "experience" with their college room or class mate. But 13, seems young to be decided. I guess I'm out of touch with youth. Hell, I barely remember youth.:haha:

I appear to have missed a stage of development.

Or is this something that only applies to women born after 1970?

Alas, probably more male fantasy than reality. I've read confidential surveys that pretty uniformly suggest that a higher percentage of boys than girls actually have some kind of same-sex contact, even after the age of 16...perhaps as high as 90 percent.

I read a routine that Lenny Bruce used to do, back in the early '60s, about men and sex. He had a guy who'd been stranded on a desert island admitting to his wife that he'd had sex with mud. She's like, "Well, was the mud better than me?" Bruce also said that the difference between a man and a woman is that a woman could not go through a plate-glass window and be having sex forty-five seconds later.

I guess the point is that - without bowing unduly to sterotypes - a lot of men tend to take all sex less seriously...at least assuming that they are in some way a participant...and that would seem to include sex with other men.

Interesting episode of 'Law & Order:Special Victims Unit' last night - the murderer turned out to be a member of a group of half-a-dozen black men who get together for sex with one another but deny that they're gay. The cop played by Ice-T called it something like "the down-low".

Mmm...how do I get this thread back to Barbie now? Uh...hey what was Ken's black friend's name, anyway?

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