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classicman 02-08-2009 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 532052)
Most Americans don't hate Bush.

They simply lost confidence is his policies and practices as they saw how it impacted them personally and the country as a whole.

And the Republican party is the embodiment of those policies....so rigid in its ideology, particularly among the social conservative base that dominates the party at the grass roots, that it is not very welcoming to the vast majority of Americans who are in the center politically.
I think the party is monetarily dominated by those right wing extremists, not the grassroots.

TheMercenary 02-08-2009 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 532047)
There is no comparison between hating Bush and hating Blacks or Jews. The very implication is offensive, unless you also believe that the people who hate Bush also hate all white people or all people from CT.

Since this is patently bullshit, your analogy is utterly worthless.

Fact: I have nothing against fake Texans or people from rich families on the East coast (in general), but I do hate Bush. I'm proud to hate Bush. My whole family hates Bush. It brings us together, you know?

And none of us are "blinded" by hate. We hate Bush because of what we saw him do...we don't hate what he did because he did it. And we don't vote GOP, because the GOP still thinks we want Bush's policies. The very same policies that made us hate him in the first place.
Hey that is your opinion. I don't give a shit if you find it an utterly worthless analogy. It is a fact. People hate Bush that much. You think Bush is a Fake Texan? Please. Who says you get to make that judgement? You are as blinded by the hate the rest of the haters are. No big deal, just admit it. Much of the GOP distanced themselves from Bush long before the election of recent. This is about perception.

TGRR 02-08-2009 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 532052)
Most Americans dont hate Buish.

Keep on believing that, sunshine. What was his approval rating at the end? Or even during his last 3 years? And all those people jeering at the inauguration - the first public event which Bush had no control over - were just taking the Mickey.

TGRR 02-08-2009 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 532059)
Based upon the above quote, you are certainly filled with enough of it as the bitterness is leaking out.
Yes, I believe I made that quite clear. I think the part where I said "I hate Bush" might have been a dead giveaway.

classicman 02-08-2009 06:06 PM
That dog won't hunt over here pal.

Redux 02-08-2009 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 532066)
Keep on believing that, sunshine. What was his approval rating at the end? Or even during his last 3 years? And all those people jeering at the inauguration - the first public event which Bush had no control over - were just taking the Mickey.
Approval ratings are a judgement of competence and confidence.

Hate is an irrational emotion.

TheMercenary 02-08-2009 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 532052)
Most Americans dont hate Buish.

They simply lost confidence is his policies and practices as they saw how it impacted them personally and the country as a whole.

And the Republican party is the embodiment of those policies....so rigid in its ideology, particularly among the social conservative base that dominates the party at the grass roots, that it is not very welcoming to the vast majority of Americans who are in the center politically.
IMHO I would call bull shit on that as well. The electorate drank the Koolaid and equated the GOP with Bush. Come on now, it is not rocket science. They equated the extremist views that were exploited by Daily Kos and Huffington. Obama made promises he can never keep, imagine that, and now I will be one to hold his feet to the fire. Obama made promises that the poor folk sucked up to like a starving child in Darfur. Where's the beef? I'll give you a year and we will begin to list the excuses as to why we still have few of the things promised by the Demoncrats, Congressional and Presidential.

TheMercenary 02-08-2009 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 532072)
Approval ratings are a judgement of competence and confidence.

Hate is an irrational emotion.
Ratings are polls and have little statistical significance.

TGRR 02-08-2009 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 532065)
Hey that is your opinion. I don't give a shit if you find it an utterly worthless analogy. It is a fact. People hate Bush that much.
Sure they do. But comparing that hate to the people who hate based on race or religion is laughable.


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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 532065)
You think Bush is a Fake Texan? Please. Who says you get to make that judgement?
The fact that he's from Conneticutt.


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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 532065)
You are as blinded by the hate the rest of the haters are.
No, I hate him with my eyes wide open. In fact, that's WHY I hate him.


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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 532065)
No big deal, just admit it.
What, the hate? Did. The blindness? No blindness is required.


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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 532065)
Much of the GOP distanced themselves from Bush long before the election of recent. This is about perception.
You haven't spent much time listening to the new RNC chair, have you? Steele?

TGRR 02-08-2009 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 532075)
Ratings are polls and have little statistical significance.
HAR! Tell it to McGovern.

Redux 02-08-2009 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 532075)
Ratings are polls and have little statistical significance.
Polls are a fairly reliable (within a few percentage points) and statistically valid snapshot of public opinion at any given time.

TGRR 02-08-2009 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 532071)
That dog won't hunt over here pal.
Which dog, chum?

TheMercenary 02-08-2009 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 532078)
Sure they do. But comparing that hate to the people who hate based on race or religion is laughable.
Politics is religion in the US.




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The fact that he's from Conneticutt.
Big fucking deal. And most blacks in the US are not from Africa. Most Americans can claim that they were born in another state than the one they currently reside in, it does not make them not from that state. I was born in Ill. Now I live in GA, should I say that I am not from here, even though I have lived here for over 10 years? You get to make that judgement? I don't think so.




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No, I hate him with my eyes wide open. In fact, that's WHY I hate him.
Bush hate. Thanks for proving my point.




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What, the hate? Did. The blindness? No blindness is required.
More Bush hate.




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You haven't spent much time listening to the new RNC chair, have you? Steele?
Fuck the RNC.

TheMercenary 02-08-2009 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 532081)
Polls are a fairly reliable (within a few percentage points) and statistically valid snapshot of public opinion at any given time.
Bull shit. Never studied stats did ya. The freaking Z would need to be so big. Go ahead, hit me.

So we polled via telephone, 1000 voters.

The questions are so easily picked apart.

They are so easily directed to get results.

So what about all the people without telephones, they get left out?

So what time of day?

How many people hung up on you?

What demongraphic did you capture?

How many blacks, whites, mexicans?

How many housewifes who were so freaking bored at home they wanted to spend time talking to you?

I love polls because I always say something different every time they calll just to screw them up. How many other people do that? Who can prove it?

Polls are the weakest form of statistical measure.

TheMercenary 02-08-2009 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 532083)
Which dog, chum?
Bill Clinton.
:p


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