Nov 2nd, 2011 Deer Snack

The 16-foot snake captured and killed in the Everglades had consumed a 76-pound deer.





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I won't even wait till tomorrow ... WOW! Thats scary.

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What is this crazy "tomorrow" talk?


Spit Roast Burmese Python
1. Capture and gut your Burmese Python.
2. Obtain a roasting spit of suffiient length.
2.a Try wiring together several regular spits.
2.b Maybe try a shipyard for an old mast or something.
2.c Oh I don't know, you figure it out.
3. Carefully impale the python on the roasting spit, making sure it is well supprted along the whole length.
3.a Have another try.
3.b Take the deer out of its stomach. Try again.
3.c No, you'll need a thinner, sharper spit.
3.d Hmmmm.
4. Stir fry diced burmese python!
5. Dice your python into bite sized chunks.
5.a you may want to get someone to help you with this.
5.b. In fact, call a working bee....

LLOLASTC

Literally laughed out loud and scared the cats

And you people complain about the snakes we have over here!

But originally those weren't over here...
a few kinds of poisonous reptiles, but none that could eat you.

Yeah, but you still have bears and mountain lions!

True, but it's really the yellow jackets that worry me.
It's autumn here now and they are really mean.
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Are burmese pythons really a problem as an invasive species, or did Bungalo Bill just want a trophy animal?

This is a National Park, not somebody's back yard. So one wild animal ate another. Isn't it showing favoritism to kill the predator? Around here, deer overpopulation is a problem. Leave the predators alone.

The pythons are an invasive species, and causing serious troubles.

They sdfd the "pets" of people who turned them loose when they got too big for the owners.
Apparently they are well adapted to the Everglades and are multiplying.

Most Fish and Wildlife policies are to (try to) eliminate the invasive species... it's not to show favoritism to predator or prey

Venithon?

Pythison?

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter The pythons are an invasive species, and causing serious troubles.

It's gettin' so you can't even walk down the street in the Everglades without running into a rogue python!

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Originally Posted by ZenGum Attachment 35065 What is this crazy "tomorrow" talk?

Wait a minute. How DID he do that?

I guess that's why he's the doctor!

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Originally Posted by glatt Invasive, sure. I'll buy that. But what serious troubles are they causing?

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter They sdfd the "pets" of people who turned them loose when they got too big for the owners. Apparently they are well adapted to the Everglades and are multiplying.

Any new species introduced to an environment is going to have an effect on the existing environment and the perception by humans is usually going to be that it's a negative impact because it's going to change what we see as how that particular environment should be.

So, then it comes down to what the actual impacts are. Is the new species reducing or obliterating the original inhabitants of the environment and are those inhabitants themselves native to the area?

I'm no expert, but I'd say that if a python that size is living there and multiplying, it's going to change the environment. The question is whether it's going to be change for the good or bad.

I'd imagine they'd eat quite a lot of birds eggs, and correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the everglades considered famous in part because they're a nesting ground for so many species of birds?

I'm no expert on the Everglades, but I seem to remember that big cats of some type or other used to live there a century or two ago. They don't anymore. So there is already a predator vacuum. Why not replace one predator with another? Maybe they can even take care of those nutria rat things that are breeding all over the place.

It just seems like the standard "eek it's a snake" reaction could be subdued a little if it's not a suburban enclave. This is the wild.

We are such a polarized country now, it seems the only way for things
to happen is to be based in existing law... no new environmental laws get passed.

In the Pacific Northwest, the Endangered Species Act is the foremost environmental law.
On top of that there are the tribal / treaty laws involving Native Americans.
Most everyone has heard of the tribulations of the salmon and the spotted owl.

But pity the state and federal agencies that have to deal with this tangled mess.
About the only thing that these folk are in agreement on now,
is the "hold your ground"... don't lose what we have now.
AND the removal and/or eradication of invasive species.

For OR and WA, this includes plants as well as animals and birds,
water-born plants and snails and frogs and feral hogs and feral cats,
and gray squirrels and English ivy and Scotch broom and ...

Everything else is political... commercial fishing, sport fishing, hunting,
off-road sports, winter sports, tourism, and on and on.
The winners are usually the ones with the most $ to spend.

I, personally, haven't heard a lot about all this in the midwest or east.
I assume every state or region has it's own issues,
and for Florida it seems to be the pythons.

How the hell does a python catch a deer, anyway?

Deer are fast, flighty critturs that bolt at the first sign of danger. I know that the python - once it has something in its grip - can squish the life out of pretty much anything. But how does it manage that first step of wrapping around the deer?

If I knew this I would probably have nightmares about it.

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Originally Posted by classicman How the heck did you do that? You posted a response to my post BEFORE I posted it...

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Originally Posted by infinite monkey Wait a minute. How DID he do that? I guess that's why he's the doctor!

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Originally Posted by ZenGum How the hell does a python catch a deer, anyway? Deer are fast, flighty critturs that bolt at the first sign of danger. I know that the python - once it has something in its grip - can squish the life out of pretty much anything. But how does it manage that first step of wrapping around the deer? If I knew this I would probably have nightmares about it.

I think the initial report said the deer died of something else and then the snake ate it.

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Originally Posted by SPUCK Deer are about as smart as a door knob. They lay down during the day and just sit there. A python can smell them from a long ways away and vector in on them ever s o s l o o o o o w l y. Look at rats and mice! They're totally amped out nervous ninnies but are the staple food for most smaller snakes.

I don't think the deer would get very far with a snake mouth around it's head. It'd have no eye deer where it was going for starters. I crack me up! lol

Anybody else surprised by noticing that the mouse neither pees nor shits itself? I know I would under similar circumstances ...

Attenborough explains. Basically a python can and will sit in one spot forever until something wanders close. And I'd imagine, after being there for so long and not smelling like anything dangerous, lunch might wander right up to it. And all snakes have lightning strikes, even the big ones. The big ones just hit harder when they connect. One good hit will get the teeth in and at that point it's game over.

Mice and rats often have the crap squeezed out of them during the process. About 40% of the time.

Constrictors can very quietly gather themselves into striking loops. Their reach is about 1/3 their body length and there is nothing much that can dodge a correctly aimed strike.

The eminent herpetologist Raymond Ditmars used to demonstrate this fact by feeding mongooses to his pythons. Apparently the snakes never got the, "mongooses are really fast", memo because they always chowed down on them.

The 350 re-curved teeth help a lot too. The one that bit me had a hard time un-biting me. He left 4 teeth stuck in me too.

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Originally Posted by SPUCK The 350 re-curved teeth help a lot too. The one that bit me had a hard time un-biting me. He left 4 teeth stuck in me too.

Ditto!

And thanks for the explanations. That final bunched-up launch/bite/wrap was the bit I was not visualising.

I'm off to have some nightmare now. Ta.