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Old 04-22-2007, 08:12 PM   #331
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That doesn't sound like the Chuck Norris I know, Spexxvet.
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Old 04-22-2007, 09:02 PM   #332
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Add two guns, and the likelihood skyrockets.
This is the part where you are wrong.
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Old 04-22-2007, 09:11 PM   #333
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This is the part where you are wrong.
two people are packing guns, one is a criminal. Explain how the likelihood of death doesn't increase.
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Old 04-22-2007, 09:26 PM   #334
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I am curious to see your point too Clod.

If only one person has a gun, the person with the gun obviously has the power and as long as both parties cooperate and want to get out without anyone dead, nothing with happen.

If both people have guns, a power struggle will ensue. Most criminals are only stealing out of need and do not want to get hurt, so once they see a gun they may panic and attack if they have a weapon. That goes the other way too, if someone is being attacked they may jump the gun to early and one if not both could be killed.
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Old 04-22-2007, 10:53 PM   #335
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If only one person has a gun, the person with the gun obviously has the power and as long as both parties cooperate and want to get out without anyone dead, nothing with happen.

If both people have guns, a power struggle will ensue. Most criminals are only stealing out of need and do not want to get hurt, so once they see a gun they may panic and attack if they have a weapon. That goes the other way too, if someone is being attacked they may jump the gun to early and one if not both could be killed.
Where did you get your expertise in the psychology of gunpoint scenarios?
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Old 04-22-2007, 11:10 PM   #336
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two people are packing guns, one is a criminal. Explain how the likelihood of death doesn't increase.
The criminal is a coward, and wasn't planning on (and isn't interested in) a fair fight.

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Most criminals are only stealing out of need
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and do not want to get hurt, so once they see a gun they may panic and attack if they have a weapon.
You misspelled "run." At least you got the "may" part right, since you don't have a goddamn idea what they may or may not do.
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Old 04-22-2007, 11:57 PM   #337
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Where did you get your expertise in the psychology of gunpoint scenarios?
Its common sense. If you put two people with guns in the same room and one threatens the other in a stressful situation, things will usually go downhill fast.

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bullshit
Yeah, all the guys in the projects steal from people for the fun of it. Then why do they steal if it isn't for need?

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You misspelled "run." At least you got the "may" part right, since you don't have a goddamn idea what they may or may not do.
What was the point of that? Do you expect me to list all the options that are irrelevant to the point?
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:05 AM   #338
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Its common sense. If you put two people with guns in the same room and one threatens the other in a stressful situation, things will usually go downhill fast.
No, it is not common sense. It is your biased opinion. I win!
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Old 04-23-2007, 12:11 AM   #339
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wow... champaign huh? I spent a few years there growing up... southside elementary school, last time I was thru it was closed down.. hesslle (sp?) park? we lived a few blocks from there.. there was a twisty brick lined street.. huh... memories..

my granmonster (meant with love mind you) lives right behind the poolhall where they shot the color of money... in little poland town ) if you ever do the sausage thing... (food... mind you) head out of the laramie station L station, head down the road and hit the Krakow deli... best damn sausage in the world (or as much of the world as I know, which is a little bit).. made by people who speak nglish as a second language... but I have never heard words that i didn't understand sound more beautiful coming from that blackhaired ice blueeyed woman behind the counter....
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Old 04-23-2007, 01:23 AM   #340
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If only this lady had been there...
"She had to balance on her walker as she pulled out a snub-nosed .38-caliber handgun..."
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Old 04-23-2007, 08:06 AM   #341
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The criminal is a coward, and wasn't planning on (and isn't interested in) a fair fight.
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Unfair and cowardly would be to kill your opponent before they have a chance to shoot - as soon as you see the gun. Like I said, as soon as a second gun is introduced, likelihood of death shyrockets. You may be thinking like a rational, law-abiding citizen. As Jinx said, anything can happen.
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Old 04-23-2007, 08:09 AM   #342
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If only this lady had been there...
"She had to balance on her walker as she pulled out a snub-nosed .38-caliber handgun..."
Like I said, if keeping your stuff or die trying is your life goal, and you're willing to kill someone to keep your stuff, pack heat.
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Old 04-23-2007, 08:37 AM   #343
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Like I said, if keeping your stuff or die trying is your life goal, and you're willing to kill someone to keep your stuff, pack heat.
I really didn't think this was the idea, since the law in nearly every state requires you to flee if you can in almost all situations outside of one's home. Some states won't let you fire a shot on a home intruder unless they show violent intent with a weapon.

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Unfair and cowardly would be to kill your opponent before they have a chance to shoot - as soon as you see the gun.
You're really going to have to explain this to me, because I don't understand that statement.
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:02 AM   #344
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What was the point of that? Do you expect me to list all the options that are irrelevant to the point?
Your whole point here was, "If you have a gun, they will shoot you."

My response was, "Unless they don't, which is at least equally likely."

Your response was, "Yeah, that's a possibility, so what?"

Your point is invalid.
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:15 AM   #345
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Unfair and cowardly would be to kill your opponent before they have a chance to shoot - as soon as you see the gun.
I would disagree. That would be the smartest move. If a criminal pulls a gun on you and you shoot and kill that person, you will not find a jury that will convict that person for defending themselves. Well unless they are OJ's jury.
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