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06-25-2002, 12:27 PM | #1 |
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Stuff I don't understand about Bush's speech
Is it dangerous to start a THIRD Palestine thread when people are getting sick of just the two? Awfuggit, I'm going to anyway.
The biggest thing I don't understand is why he ended on a Bible quote. He ended with this: <i> The choice here is stark and simple, the Bible says, "I have set before you life and death, therefore choose life." The time has arrived for everyone in this conflict to choose peace and hope and life. </i> Why the biblical ref? Was it... A) To indicate that his position has a basis in Christianity, because Muslims will be more likely to respect principles that come from a spiritual side B) To indicate to the Muslims that the US does not come to the conflict as "pro-Jew" and therefore that maybe their role is more sincere than it appears C) To show Islamist states that even a secular government can have a spiritual basis, making them more supportive of the idea of secular states D) To incite rulers of Islamist states into even more hard-line positions, ensuring more support for terrorism and the eventual collapse of world support for the Palestinians E) To tip his cap to his core constituency F) A sincere gesture of his honest beliefs, along with a firm insistence that frankly stating honest beliefs is a good approach G) A stupid mistake on the part of a speech writer I truly do not know the answer to this question... |
06-25-2002, 12:35 PM | #2 |
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H) Pulled it out of his ass at the last minute.
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Actually, it's an old testament reference so it's as much a Jewish as a Christian biblical reference. It's a quote attributed to Moses speaking to the children of Israel. It's a Christian nod to the Jewish voters.
Bush is a member of the Episcopal Church. It is lifted from the following statement of the Episcopal Bishops. Quote:
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live. Bible: Deuteronomy 30:19 Last edited by Nic Name; 06-25-2002 at 02:00 PM. |
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06-25-2002, 02:01 PM | #4 |
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OK. So Bush uses the words of Moses speaking to the children of Israel as part of a statement demanding that Arabs operate a certain way.
In that way, I pick "D" of the choices above. Bush has basically given the Palestinians his long laundry list of what they'd need to do before statehood was on the table... and backed it up with Jewish scripture. Chance of Palestinians taking that seriously: damn near zero, am I wrong? So then, why was Arafat's response positive? A) He was listening to a translator, who got the soaring Palestinian praise right and the demand that Arafat not be in office wrong B) He knows his time is up and these are words of tired resignation C) He's pissed as hell and will indicate his true feelings in Arabic, perhaps at the next Hamas Board of Directors meeting D) He's a sickly, senile, doddering old man who didn't remember the entire speech anyway E) He was planning to have elections soon and figures that if he can make them look legit, the world won't care about the other demands |
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Several multiple choice posts in the same thread using the same selections: A) B) C) etc.
Is this: A) Bad planning. B) Poor judgment. C) Deliberate obfuscation. |
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So, in fact, W used a quotation from Deuteronomy that was likely to be recognized by both the Jews and the Moslems. I spose he's come a long way since he was talking about crusades. Somebody please correct me if I've messed anything up. |
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The Promised Land as a blessing conditional upon following God's laws
It would be interesting to know whether the surrounding context of this biblical verse were known to the speech writers or to Bush:
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06-25-2002, 06:32 PM | #8 |
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21 Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy."
22 And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ... 23 Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out." 24 "Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it." |
06-25-2002, 07:23 PM | #9 |
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Apparently, Arafat didn't think that the reference to "changing the leadership of the PA" applied to him. And he WAS smiling a lot.
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A stupid mistake on the part of a speech writer
or bush just messing up again...
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06-30-2002, 07:28 AM | #13 | |
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The speech writers or the puppeteers?
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Overtheweekendthedickhadtoremovehisfingerfromthepresidentialpuppetsothatamedicalprocedurecouldcheckitout.
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