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I'd say you'll be at the whims of the hotel. If they cancel closer to May, you'll get your deposit back. If you cancel now, you won't. So you might as well just keep the date set, and see what happens.
The 80+ year olds may need to skip it when the time comes, but that could be true of any rescheduled date in the future, too. For comparison, the Spanish Flu circled the globe for over a year, and had multiple major waves of infection in all countries. China, for example, is already seeing cases *imported* from other countries now. I suspect we'll do better than we did in 1918, but not by much. |
What's my role in the wedding?
If I'm the groom or in the wedding party, it's up to the decision of the bride and groom. If I'm a guest, pass. |
We might be stable by May? China is restricting travel in now...
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If people are driving up, they won't be exposed to any more germs than if they were going to the grocery store.
If I were a guest, I would likely attend, unless major shit hits the fan. But then again, I ride the Metro every day. My tolerance for being exposed to shit is a lot higher than most people's, and my immune system is likely stronger for it. Then again, it's attitudes like mine that make the 50-59 demographic the highest infection rate in China. |
Is the couple registered for wedding gifts at a medical supply store?
Enough for wedding party and guests: masks gloves gowns booties hand sanitizer snot rags (tissues) barf bags aspirin children's Tylenol ...etc. |
Also, calling it here first: the Pope's gonna be dead by the end of next week.
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The Vatican announced very, very firmly that he doesn't have it. He totally has it.
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oh wait, regarding COVID? go for it. They don't allow cruise ships at that time of year -flow too fast from melting snow. And invite me. I need a day out. US or CA side? :D
you'll be fine. Like the wise one says, let the hotel call the shots..... Do the couple in question have any wedding insurance? might not be a bad idea if doable, would cover stuff not paid to hotel.... |
Today I sat in on an emergency conference call to manage a single DNS entry, so that a major international corporation could report tomorrow morning that they are able to have 50,000 people work from home if necessary.
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I just got a CNN email alert that the first case in Virginia has been identified, and the patient is in a hospital 6 miles from my house. A local person.
First of all, why am I getting CNN emails? I never signed up for that. And second, it's amazing how when you actually test for something, you start to find it. You aren't going to see it unless you look for it. This thing is everywhere already. |
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I'm wondering now. I think this is fake news. I think the "CNN" email I got was an anti-phishing test being done by my employer.
There is one guy on staff who is supposed to trick us by sending us fake emails and getting us to click on links. If we fail the tests, we have to undergo additional training. This email is from... Wait. I don't want to paste the text because they can search for it and find me on the Cellar. Here's a screenshot : Attachment 69960 I can't find the email address on the web. And I can't find any story on the web about an infection in my town. The headline misspells "it's" by putting the apostrophe where it doesn't belong, making it "it is" instead of "its." That's the only giveaway that this email is fake, plus I never signed up for CNN. Sorry for the distraction. If this is a test, it's in very poor taste. |
Testing for the virus means identifying a possible victim, getting a test kit (which is not easily obtained), sending it to Atlanta (that is a day and a half at least), 24 hours to do that test, and only then are results known.
For example, one possible Covid-19 infected person in Northern Virginia was still awaiting results as of yesterday. A person is infected for three days before doctors can even say he is infected. Pennsylvania is spending a quarter $million to setup just one testing lab only outside Philadelphia. Now that the CDC was permitted to address the threat and finally had a testing solution. A threat that was obvious two months ago - when it was being ignored at the highest levels of government (we know who that was). Is someone from your neighborhood infected? Could be. As of yesterday, they were still awaiting many days for the only lab (Atlanta) to do testing. One day just to get that test kit to the lab - if expedited. Because we ignored the threat two months ago. Since he is still awaiting results, some will immediately conclude he is already infected because he was quarantined. |
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However, if it's a test, it's an excellent example. The major impetus the bad guys are trying activate to is a sense of urgency. They want to stampede you into clicking on something. I've seen it happen. I've been stampeded by the bad guys myself. This is the perfect bait for such a trap. |
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Pete's company does this. I think the IT department does a giveaway, like dinner or something, to one of the people who reports the suspicious activity.
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Memo just came down from the top. Apparently some powerful people in the firm were not amused.
Attachment 69962 The memo went on to talk about the Coronavirus and told us to wash our hands, don't travel to China or Italy for spring break, and stay home if we are sick. Lots of other details, but that's the gist of it. I need to brush up on remote computing. It's a little convoluted. |
Thanks boss for perfectly making my point.
I'd bet the rent some "powerful" person "at the top" took the bait. |
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I have a couple of these (twin port version) and always have one of them in my car: https://www.avon-protection.com/products/fm53.htm
You can get them on Amazon (filters, required, sold separately): Avon FM53 |
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My in-laws visited today. MIL in particular seemed completely clueless about the whole thing. She was stunned to hear of Mr. Clod's office closing, and about our school preparing for distance learning plans in the face of inevitable closures. She kept referring to the coronavirus as "the flu." She talked about her big vacation in June, and I didn't have the heart to tell her that her flight will almost certainly be cancelled, and by then she won't want to leave her house anyway.
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I wouldn't want them added to the nation's tally of disease vectors either.
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Quarantine does not solve the problem. Apparently people are contagious even before they have symptoms.
Experience aboard the Diamond Princess suggests that this virus can spread airborne. Not just from contact spewed from an infected person. But this is an even greater problem. How the contagious spread this virus is either unknown or is being withheld by top government officials (ie Pence). That is his job. Obstruct information - to protect the administration. We should have known long ago (had government started addressing the problem over two months ago) how this virus spreads, how long it can survive on surfaces (or if airborne), if it can pass through the skin, and how long a person can be contagious before symptoms appear. Instead we have White House lies that a vaccine will soon be available. Reality - it cannot be available til at least next year. Lies that the public does not need facemasks. Lies because this president is more concerned with his reelection than in addressing any problem. He ignored it until the stock market eventually crashed. And we still do not have answers to those four questions. |
Surely there are trustworthy governments elsewhere in the first world that are studying this thing. What do they have to say? Germany isn't corrupt, is it? Canada? France? What do their health departments say?
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And we're not going to find out, at least not through the US government, because all Trump can do is worry about "how it makes him look," and Pence is only good for prayer breakfasts. |
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The VA is recommending that veterans best response to Covid-19 is to get a flu shot.
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I was going to rewrite to benefit your quibble, but I'm betting my point has been made.
History will tell us whether the flu, or panic over it, is a bigger problem. If history says flu, the Pres has been terrible. If history says panic, the Pres has been on point. Place your bets |
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UT, when will you stick to honest facts and not routinely post your irrelevant emotions? You are not the same person I knew some thirty years ago. Back then, UT would not be wasting bandwidth with words such as quibble. Meanwhile, as usual, I expect more quibble from you. It is becoming routine from a UT that went right wing extremist. Reasons this 'flu' are different. It is much more contagious. And has a higher death rate. Apparently because infected people (as with Typhoid Mary) do not even know they are infecting their peers. Apparently do not have symptoms when first sick. We don't really know why this virus is so more contagious. Facts (honesty) are in short supply. Combined with a president who also takes cheapshots at, for example, the Grand Princess. |
So, we'll have to agree on levels of deaths vs levels of panic, does anyone want to weigh in on the number of deaths that would be worse than panic so far?
Starting point: flu kills 27-70,000 in US per year |
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Current flu shot was not designed for this virus. Nobody knew it was coming until a (now dead) doctor in China discovered it. Flues typically do not spread this fast - are not this contagious. So a vaccine is not possible for about a year or maybe longer - despite lies from a president who is loved for constantly lying. |
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Death rate from a conventional flu is typically 1.3%. Death rate from Covid-19 is somewhere between 2 and 3%. In China, they are claiming 3.4%. Well they have more experience. But also have a problem with first obtaining honest data. But that much higher death rate is another reason for honest concern. And why it was obvious in the beginning of January that this virus was a serious threat. It even killed the doctor who discovered it. |
"Corona flu" is Trump's term for it; it's a different virus from the flu.
Avoiding a panic is more than just saying "don't panic" (sorry HHGTG), or "lots of people get better while going to work"; panic is also a failure. The problem with news reports about Trump's antics isn't the reports, it's the antics. To prevent panic, Trump should detail the pandemic preparation that is in progress, to demonstrate that such preparation exists in the short term, and in the long term to prevent sudden panic if it is sprung on people at the last minute, in the case that it needs to go into effect. |
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MERS was another coronavirus that remains undetected for two years. Its death rate was about 32%. A higher death rate and other factors are why the pandemic did not become global - a greater threat. One reason why Covid-19 is not as widespread: Chinese published the genetic map of Covid within eight days of identifying it (at higher levels). Published those facts in the first half of Jan 2020. One reason why it did spread was noted earlier. Wuhan is the Chinese equivalent of Chicago. Apparently one factor that must exist to limit widespread infection is a negatively pressurized room. Apparently this virus can spread by other factors beyond droplets - ie sneezing and coughing. Mistakes, since learned, resulted in an 18% to 20 some percent death rate from other coronaviruses among medical personal. Possible infections via ventilation systems and other means has not been mentioned - and should be. Since we need such facts - to even avoid panic. We could have been making face masks months ago. Face mask is to protect others. But the Feds did not act. 3M, Prestige, and other facemask companies only started hiring people and increasing production last week. Only after the government was finally given permission by a president to address it. Only after stock markets crashed. |
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I actually contract with county health depts in my current gig. We've always wiped and washed materials and avoided sharing across kids. Now the shelves are empty of alcohol based wipes... Cuomo has the slav.. prison labor making alcohol sanitizers. I half expect home visits to end at some point, possibly when the local schools start closing. We still don't know enough to say it's panic time or stupid to panic. Last I read it was only known to spread by air but we really don't know do we. |
Just got a phone call from my boss.
She is taking a survey of all of her staff's ability to work from home. So they are making lists. |
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(Since it's not proven whether ventilation systems can transmit it -- but like my CDC text noted, most cases are from close contact of 6 feet or less) |
Another random thought...
I got an email from our priest on Thursday afternoon, that a new policy at church is: no more dipping the bread into the chalice of wine at communion because of dirty fingers. But sipping from the cup was still allowed. Or you could decline altogether, and that's cool too. At the service on Sunday, two days later, she made an announcement retracting the Thursday communication because a mandate had come down from the Bishop of Virginia. No wine. Bread only. So then I read in the paper today (Monday) that there is a different priest in DC who was hospitalized, and tested positive on Thursday for the virus. That priest had given communion the previous Sunday (which presumably includes drinking first from the communal cup). He felt healthy when he gave communion and was symptom free, but felt like he had a mild cold a few days before that, from which he recovered. Mid-week last week, after giving communion, he crashed hard and went to the hospital, where he tested positive for Covid-19. He likely picked it up at a conference he attended in the Midwest two weeks ago. The communal cup has always seemed gross to me, and I have always been bread dipper. But I'm glad they are cutting out the wine entirely. The thing in all this that leaves the biggest impression on me is that the church, which is built on 2 thousand years of tradition, reacted extremely quickly as soon as the risk became obvious. Sick priest in neighboring jurisdiction on Thursday, and edict from Bishop on Saturday impacting services on Sunday. We are also not supposed to shake hands during the peace. Fist bumps instead. |
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Of course he was lying. Science said so. But that meant honesty. This scumbag president and his supporters have contempt for honesty. That is a leader averting panic? Exactly why Russians are openly campaigning for that lying Don. How to create panic? Lie. Destroy credibility. Create confusion and doubt. Encourage wild and extremist accusations on social media. Trump is doing that. The Russians love it. Patriotic Americans know he lies constantly - multiple times daily according to domestic and international news services. Then entrenched extremists become even more entrenched. Russians want the resulting dissension. Confusion. Panic. We need honest facts. Can people who know those facts tell us the truth? Of course not. The Don needs us to stay ignorant. If working for America, then a responsible and educated man was put in charge: Surgeon General. That is his job. But a Surgeon General would state things based in honesty and science. Trump wants a man who will lie incessantly. So he assigned VP Pence the job of keeping us informed - and ignorant. How is panic created? When a leader is so corrupt as to lie, then truth (and trust) cannot exist. When he assigns a political extremist the job of stifling facts and lying (to get Trump reelected), then panic is more likely. He even lied about the Grand Princess. He said straight out, he did not want the number of Covid-19 infected people to double. A classic business school graduate. He is only worried about the numbers. Not about reality. Grand Princess passengers should have been quarantined in locations where a coronavirus does not spread. Instead, that president wants a virus to remain trapped at sea where is will spread from tens to a thousand people. Then his numbers look better. He can blame the resulting deaths on some other nation. Classic example of a man with a 30 second attention span and no ethics. Who knows he can murder someone on 5th Ave and still get elected. He knows who in America he can lie to. Four necessary questions remain unanswered. We need those answers to avoid panic. Access to knowledge must wait for VP Pence to decide "if we can handle the truth". |
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Does not matter if people are contagious after symptoms are gone. Currently irrelevant. Required is to detect people BEFORE symptoms exist. That is a problem. Because only 200 test kits were available (and not being produced) when clear was a threat that required maybe a million or more. First, one was tested for other flu viruses. And then retested; to wait another three days for results from Atlanta. Only 200 test kits were available. Meaning infected people remained undetected for up to a week. A week after they had be contagious maybe a previous week. All this takes so long because a scumbag president even claimed this threat was "over blown". His exact words. He stifled actions to get ahead of the threat. His own words say so. Facts that say why a quarantine cannot solve the problem. Especially if this virus survives well past summer - as some scientists have been asking (before Pence took over). Another point relevant to a sentence taken out of context. Another question. Once one has recovered, is he immune from another infection? We need answers - not political lies. Apparently we "cannot handle the truth". Quote:
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We all know that if the Presidential reaction was heavy over-reaction, then the tw reaction would be that it was an unnecessary and expensive over-reaction.
Orange man bad; so, just take the opposite of orange man, always good. That's why I said we need to take sides on whether the panic is worse, or the deaths. If the regular flu kills up to 70,000, what say let's put the over-under for this level of panic at 80,000 dead. The panic has resulted in the loss of 6 trillion dollars in valuations of public companies, and the loss of who knows how much economic activity. So a number worse than the regular flu is warranted. 80,000, place your bets. |
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