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Undertoad 10-11-2020 05:58 PM

The Cellar is closing at the end of the year (sooner, if the new location is stable)
 
...save your buffers


Since many people don't check the tagline, that is the official word.

An alternate forum for Dwellars is being considered. If anything becomes available it will be posted.

BigV 10-11-2020 06:06 PM

This is profoundly unfortunate.

footfootfoot 10-11-2020 08:05 PM

So it's for certain. What is a buffer?

BigV 10-11-2020 08:43 PM

It's the space you thought you had just before you smash your knuckles.

what have we learned?????

Dude111 10-12-2020 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad
An alternate forum for Dwellars is being considered. If anything becomes available it will be posted.

I dont wanna lose this site because of 1 member!!!!

I DONT WANT AN ALTERNATIVE SITE ON CRAPPY NEWER SOFTWARE....... (Xenforo for example) -- I think this is very sad Flint has caused this to happen........

I hope Undertoad calms down before 31 December..... We are running out of good VBB sites!!

monster 10-12-2020 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 1060176)
I think this is very sad Flint has caused this to happen........

Trump, is that you?

Dude111 10-12-2020 01:45 AM

Ah man!!

footfootfoot 10-12-2020 08:02 AM

Still, seriously, what does "save your buffers" mean?

lumberjim 10-12-2020 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 1060176)
I dont wanna lose this site because of 1 member!!!!

I DONT WANT AN ALTERNATIVE SITE ON CRAPPY NEWER SOFTWARE....... (Xenforo for example) -- I think this is very sad Flint has caused this to happen........

I hope Undertoad calms down before 31 December..... We are running out of good VBB sites!!


First off, Dude.... it's not because of ONE member.... and let's not forget who brought the spamming newbie in that set Flint's spamhammer spinning. Not really fair of you to try to lay the whole thing at his feet.



DickMove111

Undertoad 10-12-2020 11:13 AM

"The world is coming to an end - save your buffers" was a cookie for a long time. It's a joke from computer history, when if your computer crashed it meant the loss of the data in cache memory, ie. the buffers, which could be traumatic if it happened at the wrong time.

Operating system history: The idea of "orderly shutdown" was built into Linux, but not so much into Windows. the idea was that Windows could die at any moment and not become confused, because it was shitty and crashed all the time and so a crash had to not be as traumatic as it was. Linux needed buffers because it was performing things for everybody, not just for one user. So it didn't crash so much, and if you were turning it off, it would carefully write all the data in memory to disk before shutting down.

Since Windows wasn't caching things for everybody, it meant that Windows was slow at doing server-type stuff -- at the moment when the Internet was coming online, and suddenly server type stuff became wildly important. (Of course, in Windows you would lose documents and spreadsheets in a crash, because the ability to save was left up to the applications, and autosave was cutting-edge technology and they've only just recently figured out that it is a good idea.)

Cellar is performing an orderly shutdown.

footfootfoot 10-12-2020 11:21 AM

Thank you.


For everything.

Dude111 10-12-2020 11:31 AM

Its very sad to lose such a good site :(

And we arer left with crap........

DanaC 10-12-2020 11:37 AM

I'm genuinely rocked by this. It's like the foundations of my life are shifting.

Thank you Undertoad - I am beyond grateful for the community you helped start and then maintained for decades. I hope (if there is no change in decision) that you will join the new community (unencumbered by responsibility) so that we can stay in touch.

The Cellar is a strange place - it isnt just another message board, just another online community - it is a family: a thoroughly dysfunctional family with various aunts and uncles feuding and a fist fight at most family gatherings, but a family nonetheless.

I would like to think that the family is relocating rather than dying out.

Regardless though - it is the end of an era.

This site is older than your average tech billionaire

jaminhealth 10-12-2020 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 1060218)
Its very sad to lose such a good site :(

And we arer left with crap........

Dude, there are many good sites out there, just find them...it's a hit and miss and I have been and am on that path.....and sites that every other word isn't Fing.....

Makes me wonder if you've really gotten a lot of good healthy help and info here?

glatt 10-12-2020 03:13 PM

But those other sites won't pay attention to you as much as the attention you get when you stir things up here, right?

jaminhealth 10-12-2020 03:17 PM

:eek:
Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 1060263)
But those other sites won't pay attention to you as much as the attention you get when you stir things up here, right?

:eek::eek::eek:

Flint 10-12-2020 03:28 PM

glatt we just need more help and info

limey 10-12-2020 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaminhealth (Post 1060261)
Dude, there are many good sites out there, just find them...it's a hit and miss and I have been and am on that path.....and sites that every other word isn't Fing.....

Makes me wonder if you've really gotten a lot of good healthy help and info here?


If youíd looked around before you joined youíd have noticed that thereís a lot of fucking this, and not-safe-for-work posts, and women being asked to get their tits out for the lads. Itís always been here, and if itís not to your taste no-one forced you to join in.
So please donít be surprised or offended about it, we didnít hide it from you till you arrived. You chose to join us.


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jaminhealth 10-12-2020 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by limey (Post 1060275)
If you’d looked around before you joined you’d have noticed that there’s a lot of fucking this, and not-safe-for-work posts, and women being asked to get their tits out for the lads. It’s always been here, and if it’s not to your taste no-one forced you to join in.
So please don’t be surprised or offended about it, we didn’t hide it from you till you arrived. You chose to join us.


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Well Limey I didn't investigate the threads before I joined...trusted the person who brought me in as a like minded soul that I would associate with. I'm not offended, and yes surprised but one keeps learning until DEAD...so it's been a lesson for sure.

And could be that the person who invited me here, had no idea I would be treated so poorly...maybe that's not happened in this forum for some time or never or who the H knows.

This Forum is basically generally good, and if a person joined yrs ago maybe that is the key....but a person who is positive and holistically minded does NOT have a chance and to be 82, good lord...how does an 82 keep up on forums....

You probably envision an 82 yr old in a recliner glued to Fox or whatever nonsense on the tube.

lumberjim 10-12-2020 04:13 PM

how old do you think she is?

Flint 10-12-2020 04:19 PM

we HATE positive minded people

hit the nail on the head

DanaC 10-12-2020 04:42 PM

And freedom. We hate that too :P

My mum is in her late 70s and she would absolutely not be fazed by this place.

Age - is only a factor if you make it so.

- as for holistically minded: there's nothing wrong with that.

Forgive me for tromping in to a discussion that has already apparently run itself into the ground - but over the past couple of days i have seen a lot of allegations against the community because of your experience here, and that draws my attention.

- Your experience is your own - I cannot nor would I seek to tell you that you did not have a horrible experience when you came in here and posted your truth

But, your experience is not indicative of how any and every individual with your opinions would be treated in the Cellar.

Right now - there is a high to middling chance that a new person coming in and spreading what a large number of members consider to be dangerous misinformation will not be greeted with open arms and a willing spirit of discourse. Because right now, everybody has an immediate stake in the issue and tensions are simmering at every level of society.

We are and have always been a strong community at our core - though there are times when that falters for a spell. But we are not immune to the cultural powder keg a lot of people are currently living in.

Ordinarily, someone posting about fringe alternative medicines and the evils of Big Pharma would be met with a range of responses from gentle mockery, through savage commentary and genuine interest - and then the conversation would veer of into uncharted territory as everyone gets distracted by something shiny

We live in extraordinary and highly divided times.

It is very easy to push buttons in such an atmosphere.

monster 10-12-2020 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 1060285)
how old do you think she is?

42.

666.

81.


how many guesses do I get?

DanaC 10-12-2020 05:01 PM

42

monster 10-12-2020 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaminhealth (Post 1060278)
And could be that the person who invited me here, had no idea I would be treated so poorly...

Or maybe that person is clueless AF, buddy. You don't do the research, you pay the consequences.

You have treated this forum very poorly. Only an idiot would not expect it to defend itself.

And -FYI- it is immensely vulgar behavior to use initials of or substitutes for "bad" words. The damage lies in the intent and in using anything at all, not in the actual verbiage. If you wish to use a "swear" word, the most polite thing is just to do so. If there are juveniles present, it may be more appropriate to swear in a language they do not yet understand, e.g. French. I can recommend several etiquette books (most not written by doctors as far as I know), if you would like to research that for yourself. That said, nothing wrong with a good bit of vulgarity -one of the oldest forms of humor and we all know laughter is the best medicine. Have a Blessed Day.

Rhianne 10-12-2020 08:08 PM

Closing now when I've finally memorised my password?

monster 10-12-2020 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhianne (Post 1060329)
Closing now when I've finally memorised my password?

you know there's a "remember me" button?

Rhianne 10-12-2020 08:48 PM

I was joking. I still have no idea what it is.

glatt 10-12-2020 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhianne (Post 1060334)
I was joking. I still have no idea what it is.

LOL

monster 10-12-2020 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhianne (Post 1060334)
I was joking. I still have no idea what it is.

me either :D

lumberjim 10-12-2020 10:46 PM

It's the same as all my sock puppets.

monster 10-12-2020 10:46 PM

...yours is "password", though

jaminhealth 10-12-2020 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 1060304)
Or maybe that person is clueless AF, buddy. You don't do the research, you pay the consequences.

You have treated this forum very poorly. Only an idiot would not expect it to defend itself.

And -FYI- it is immensely vulgar behavior to use initials of or substitutes for "bad" words. The damage lies in the intent and in using anything at all, not in the actual verbiage. If you wish to use a "swear" word, the most polite thing is just to do so. If there are juveniles present, it may be more appropriate to swear in a language they do not yet understand, e.g. French. I can recommend several etiquette books (most not written by doctors as far as I know), if you would like to research that for yourself. That said, nothing wrong with a good bit of vulgarity -one of the oldest forms of humor and we all know laughter is the best medicine. Have a Blessed Day.

What a hypocrite, passive/aggressive --- "have a blessed day"....who you talking to, yourself.

Hey, since you "KIDS" have so much in common, why not start your own forum...it happens all the time....

monster 10-12-2020 11:03 PM

I will pray for your soul

Dude111 10-13-2020 12:12 AM

Maybe some of you guys can come to mauisun,I am a co-admin there :)

www.mauisun.org/smf

limey 10-13-2020 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaminhealth (Post 1060367)
What a hypocrite, passive/aggressive --- "have a blessed day"....who you talking to, yourself.

Hey, since you "KIDS" have so much in common, why not start your own forum...it happens all the time....


We had one, once ....


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fargon 10-13-2020 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by limey (Post 1060405)
We had one, once ....

What Limey said.

footfootfoot 10-13-2020 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 1060378)
I will pray for your soul

https://s3.amazonaws.com/finecooking...-thumb16x9.jpg

monster 10-13-2020 10:34 AM

I will pray for your rissole also.

Ramen.

Diaphone Jim 10-13-2020 12:40 PM

OK, this is off on a standard scatter.
I've been here for 13 years and still feel like I haven't been taught the secret handshake.
Before I try to guess what is going on, how about one of the insiders explaining Undertoad's announcement.

DanaC 10-13-2020 12:52 PM

The Cellar hasnt been much joy for UT for a while now - there have been odd fallings out, and the divisiveness of modern politics have made themselves felt - into this already not fun situ a new member arrived (jam) and as I understand it posted a lot of stuff about alternative health including some stuff about Covid that many considered to be part of the large covid misinformation drive that has been hitting much of the interwebz.

Responses to teh new member were not overly welcoming (some suspected a troll) and in response the new member doubled down on their assertions and this further fed the notion that they were a troll or spambot - therefore responses got quite vitriolic.

New member (perhaps understandably) is more interested in fighting their corner and reminding us all that they are in their 80s and taking the forum to task for the amount of swearing, lack of manners, lack of welcome for new members than in addressing the fact that their posting style was spammy and abrasive enough for people to think they might be a spambot (or sock puppet for the member who introduced them).

UT is a decent caring man and it did not sit well with him that a human person got dogpiled on the site by people who suspected trolling - and once it became clear they weren't a spambot nevertheless continued to meet the new member with hostility

This was basically the final straw for UT who had already commented a few times over past year or so that he might not want to continue with the cellar and has at times stepped away as a poster, though continued to host.

It's a mess - but it is probably not entirely unexpected - was probably going to happen at some point and this was just the thing that tipped it

We are currently looking at ways to rehouse the community on a new board for any who wish to keep it going.

Dude111 10-13-2020 12:53 PM

I think he got mad at Flints outburst cause he didnt say anything of this before :(

DanaC 10-13-2020 12:55 PM

Yes he has Dude111

monster 10-13-2020 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 1060459)
I think he got mad at Flints outburst cause he didnt say anything of this before :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 1060460)
Yes he has Dude111

Dana speaks truth

Remember what happens when you point a finger

Diaphone Jim 10-13-2020 03:58 PM

Everyone needs to read the six or more threads at Cellar Meta (bottom of main page).
I should have looked but they snuck in on me.

footfootfoot 10-13-2020 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 1060460)
Yes he has Dude111

Cut him some slack; I think he's only up to the 2003 threads

footfootfoot 10-13-2020 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 1060462)
Dana speaks truth

Remember what happens when you point a finger

You make an ass out of U and mption?

monster 10-13-2020 06:58 PM

man u spoilted the punchline ::sulks::

Dude111 10-13-2020 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footfootfoot
Cut him some slack; I think he's only up to the 2003 threads

Ah man!!

Gravdigr 10-13-2020 08:01 PM

Quote:

The Cellar is closing at the end of the year
Goddammit.

lumberjim 10-13-2020 08:06 PM

Change is life's only constant. Come over here
https://cellar.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=17

DanaC 10-13-2020 08:28 PM

Not so much closing as moving house

footfootfoot 10-13-2020 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 1060544)
man u spoilted the punchline ::sulks::


Dude111 10-13-2020 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim
Change is life's only constant. Come over here
https://cellar.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=17

Kinda hard to read..... Text is smaller and it just isnt as nice......

Anyway JIM of making it HTTP also so older browsers (And non standard ones) can directly get there?? (Alot of sites have both http and https available)

Thanx buddy

lumberjim 10-13-2020 09:24 PM

No, that site is only good for the newest cutting edge smart tech cloud based quad processor unfettered mobile devices. Flash will not work there, and A-Z topics mean you're gay.

monster 10-13-2020 09:30 PM

Will you quit whining and complaining? What did you put into it?

henry quirk 10-13-2020 10:30 PM

The Cellar is closing at the end of the year

then I guess I had my hissy-fit at just the right time

good luck with whatever comes next, toad

:thumbsup:

monster 10-13-2020 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 1060571)
No, that site is only good for the newest cutting edge smart tech cloud based quad processor unfettered mobile devices. Flash will not work there, and A-Z topics mean you're gay.

damn you to hell. I got distracted before submitting....... now I need to find somewhere else for my rainbow-loving A-Z of flowers and felchers

Dude111 10-14-2020 02:52 AM

Its looks good JIM but its hard to read........

DanaC 10-14-2020 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 1060576)
The Cellar is closing at the end of the year

then I guess I had my hissy-fit at just the right time

good luck with whatever comes next, toad

:thumbsup:

The community will still be around just at a different site with others taking on the responsibility of keeping the lights on and the floors swept

For all we've clashed at times, I hope you'll drop by the new gaff Henry.


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