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xoxoxoBruce 04-04-2019 12:14 PM

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I don't know but they look like an after market wheel, the M-H wheel appears to be a wide flat wheel with holes to bolt on a variety of traction aids.
Massey-Harris was huge, then merged with Ferguson to become the largest in the world. I'd assume like the model T Fords there was dozens of companies making strap-ons for them.

Diaphone Jim 04-04-2019 12:38 PM

That is a wild tractor.
Apparently the first four-wheel drive one, with a strange top drive system.
Here are some links, best one last.
Another grabber of an IOTD.



Diaphone Jim 04-04-2019 12:39 PM

Got a duplicate one in there and lost the best one. Here:

Gravdigr 04-04-2019 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by Griff (Post 1029707)
Are those wheels made for planting? It looks like they'd cut through and leave a nice little trench.

I'd say they were for traction. I don't know as much about tractors as someone who lives where I live should know.

xoxoxoBruce 04-04-2019 04:37 PM

Maybe skinny to keep it from sliding sideways on slopes?

Diaphone Jim 04-04-2019 08:12 PM

Many Youtube vids on the GP.
This , too:

xoxoxoBruce 04-05-2019 02:01 AM

I was surprised there was agricultural and industrial models. Both came in three different track widths and apparently the Industrial models had a 600 pound weight on each wheel. Yikes.

Diaphone Jim 04-05-2019 12:39 PM

Yikes is right.
My Ford 8N came with rear wheel weights that were around 300 pounds. With the weight of the wheel itself, the combination felt as if it were bolted to the earth. You did NOT want to drop them.

Gravdigr 04-05-2019 12:43 PM

I had to count out and repack 1000 (loose) 64 pound plates for the front weight rack one time. The wooden crates holding them had broken open and spilled the plates out. The wheel weights came steel-banded to the pallet, thank God. I was working at a warehouse that distributed tractor parts.

xoxoxoBruce 04-06-2019 01:51 AM

Ferguson designed that Ford tractor then split for England to make essentially the same design with a few tweaks, under his own name. Then Massey-Harris in Canada teamed up with Ferguson in England to become the largest tractor company in the world. But only #3 in the US behind Deere and IH.

Griff 04-06-2019 09:06 AM

My Grandpa bought an 8N in '53 (?) as the boys started leaving the farm. He had married into a very horsey family but it was past time to retire the work horses. He did a lot of work with that tractor, a lot of it well over its weight class. They have terrible brakes and are too light for serious loads but nobody got killed. An old guy did roll and get badly torn up on an 8N on the farm I currently occupy... Apparently my cousin is going to fix that bad boy up with a modern distributor, hopefully they get it properly weighted and use it for sensible chores.

Diaphone Jim 04-06-2019 12:41 PM

I love that term "sensible chores."
It pretty much sums up the utility and safe use of all tools.
It is amazing how many N Ford tractors (2,9 and 8) are still in use. Even more decorate farms all over the land.
Mine is 70 years old (!), is basically all original and willing to do sensible chores every day of the year.

Gravdigr 04-06-2019 01:15 PM

My first chipper had a 4 cyl engine off a Ford tractor.

Many times late on a summer evening I'd be finishing up a long job and the exhaust manifold would glow orange.

xoxoxoBruce 04-10-2019 02:35 AM

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It's good to be the king...

xoxoxoBruce 04-13-2019 02:25 AM

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Triple threat tractors...

Griff 04-13-2019 11:52 AM

We need that setup after what the loader did to my buddy's friends' yard this morning. I got my load of horseshit though so I'm happy.

Diaphone Jim 04-13-2019 01:11 PM

The top 8N/road roller pic has a lot in common with the old IOTD of the guy on his motorcycle in the funeral home.

Gravdigr 04-13-2019 02:22 PM

Such as?:eyebrow:

xoxoxoBruce 04-13-2019 04:52 PM

Yeah, I'm having trouble making that connection too. :confused:
Maybe the guy on the tractor/roller deserves 19 .40cal holes in him. :haha:

Diaphone Jim 04-13-2019 07:42 PM

Oh, well.

Gravdigr 04-14-2019 12:39 PM

"Oh well?"


You upchucked that shit, the least you could do is explain it.

"A lot in common..."

But could you give us one thing? No, we get "Oh, well".

Here I'll get ya started, there are ppl involved with each.

You're set up, now, how about number two?

Diaphone Jim 04-14-2019 03:27 PM

Number two. Eat it.

xoxoxoBruce 04-14-2019 03:43 PM

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Gravdigr 04-15-2019 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by Diaphone Jim (Post 1030357)
Number two. Eat it.

You want me to eat shit because you are not capable of either explaining your own post, or admitting that you spoke out of your ass?

All ya had to do was explain what you meant by 'a dead man on a motorcycle has a lot in common with an 8N Ford tractor being used as a road roller'.

But, apparently, you can not do that.

Is it beyond your ability?

Should I double-dog dare ya?

Have you forgotten? Go back, look at the pics again, maybe it'll come to ya.

Perhaps you should schedule a cat scan.

Or go back on yer meds.

OR, when they tell ya "Don't drink when you've taken the BIG yellow pill.", don't fuckin' drink after you've taken the big yellow pill!

Gravdigr 04-15-2019 01:47 PM

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Gravdigr 04-15-2019 01:52 PM

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Gravdigr 04-15-2019 03:06 PM

Must have caught him during recess...

Gravdigr 04-15-2019 04:31 PM

Maybe he's getting that cat scan...

Diaphone Jim 04-16-2019 04:27 PM

On March 21, 2019, Gravdigr posted:

"OK I'm finally with you.

That would have been very funny if I'd gotten it.

You get points."

That had a nice ring of civility, don't you think?

Gravdigr 04-16-2019 08:39 PM

You are right. I am chagrined at my handling of this situation. You have my apologies, sir.

Gravdigr 04-17-2019 11:26 AM

Such as...
Things the pic of a dead guy on a motorcycle inside a funeral home has in common with the pic of a guy on an 8N Ford tractor being used to power a road roller:

Both pics were taken on planet Earth.
Both pics have people in them.
Both pics have machinery in them.
Both pics have rubber in them.
Both pics have people in them.
Both pics have plant material visible in them.
Both pics were taken with some form of camera.
Both pics have chains visible in them.
Both pics have headwear visible in them.
Both pics have meat visible in them.
Both pics have oxygen in them.
Both pics have black things visible in them.
Both pics appear to have men in them.
Both pics appear to have a son visible in them.
Both pics have some form of lighting visible in them.
Both pics have visible metals in them.
Both pics have paint visible in them.
Both pics are posted on The Cellar.
Both pics have been seen by you.
Both pics have been seen by me.
Both pics have things on top of other things.
Both pics have things under other things.
Both pics have wheels visible in them.
Both pics have the color red in them.
Both pics have a fuel tank in them.
Both pics have visible shoes in them.
Both pics show devices which control the direction of the vehicle.

Alllll that shit is what you were talking about when you said the pics had a lot in common.

In case you didn't know what you were talking about when you said the pics had a lot in common.

Feel free to use this post as a template. Next time you see something that has something in common with something and you want point it out to someone, you'll have a vague notion of how to go about it.

No need to thank me.

Gravdigr 04-17-2019 11:31 AM

And now I'm sad.

xoxoxoBruce 04-18-2019 01:57 AM

Stop it.

Flint 04-18-2019 01:08 PM

Gravdigr 04-18-2019 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 1030650)
Stop it.

You stop it.

xoxoxoBruce 04-19-2019 02:26 AM

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Wind wagon, the idea was to be able to travel the desert sand of North Africa.

xoxoxoBruce 04-21-2019 02:58 AM

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Henry put everybody on wheels. The Model T was like a Gravely tractor with unlimited attachments and conversion kits.

BigV 04-21-2019 01:28 PM

Another example of a guy getting shit done with what he has at hand.

Gravdigr 04-21-2019 02:06 PM

Or with what he ordered from Sears.:)

Gravdigr 04-21-2019 02:09 PM

Old guy from the church I used to go to told a story that he had to go town in a hurry. They'd been using the family Model T to plow, and it had those tractor-type steel wheel like in Bruce's pic above.

He drove the car to town with those wheels on it. Said all his fillings fell out.

xoxoxoBruce 05-07-2019 01:45 AM

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That Model-T may need a brace...

xoxoxoBruce 05-08-2019 01:44 AM

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Gravdigr 05-08-2019 11:59 AM

That rig is cooler than it ought to be.

Gravdigr 05-08-2019 12:06 PM

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Check this one out.

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This thing was built expressly for transporting Mercedes race cars. At over 100mph. The way Leno explained it (he has one, of course), Mercedes, when they had to work on one of their racers, didn't like working away from home, so, if they had mechanical difficulty, they'd load the car and drive it to the home shop back in Germany. No matter where in Europe they were. This thing was a legend back in the day, they always got there and back in time to race. Leno said it would do well over 100 with a car on it.


xoxoxoBruce 05-15-2019 12:44 AM

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Porsche Tractors...

xoxoxoBruce 05-30-2019 01:46 AM

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The best laid plans of men in cars...

BigV 05-30-2019 10:37 AM


I have a front wheel bearing that is complaining loudly right now.. I've seen the replacement process and it's very straightforward, IF you have a lift and a tie rod puller and a bearing press with the right inserts... Which I don't.

xoxoxoBruce 05-31-2019 01:54 AM

What is it a front wheel drive? Replacing/repacking wheel bearings is a 20 minute job.

BigV 05-31-2019 04:10 PM

xoxoxoBruce 05-31-2019 04:46 PM

Yeah, front wheel drive make life complicated. Got to be done though because it's sending vibration back through the driveline and if it fails it could take out a tire, rim, hub, CV joint, halfshaft, or even the transmission. That could be a spendy event.:eyebrow:

Diaphone Jim 05-31-2019 08:47 PM

Funny you should mention front hubs.
Spent most of the day replacing a front drive axle on my sons '93 Toyota 4x PU.
It has just short of 300k on it and the hubs seem OK for now.
There is a retired Japanese engineer enjoying his sake and laughing his ass off whenever some foreigners discover that the front axles are about a 1/2 inch too long to just come out and go back in.
Got it done, the other one tomorrow.
Otherwise, it is easy to see why there are x billion of them still around.

xoxoxoBruce 05-31-2019 11:30 PM

Half inch too long to come out and go back in? I don't follow that.

But if your boss at Toyota questions it, tell him it's a feature, grab your Sake, and retire. :haha:

Diaphone Jim 06-01-2019 12:00 PM

The axle has a flange on the front diff and a long splined shaft in the hub.
The problem is to get enough slack to work it out of the A-arms past the sway bar and the shock mount.
Manuals and online tutorials have come up with about 6 ways to try it, some requiring re-alignment, cutting the sway bar and worse.
We totally trashed the old one removing it, but the new one slipped right in. I'll reveal our technique for a negotiated fee.
We also encountered "cone washers," a new one on me after 60 years of wrenching.

xoxoxoBruce 06-01-2019 03:04 PM

Cone washers, had to Google them. That's just pure evil, it took a sick mind to foist that on mechanics techs anywhere Toyota goes. :eyebrow:

xoxoxoBruce 06-02-2019 04:12 AM

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Ford Tractor...

xoxoxoBruce 06-05-2019 12:26 PM

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Pssst... wanna buy a motor?

BigV 06-05-2019 02:57 PM

At $0.025 on the dollar?

I'll take all you have, thanks.

xoxoxoBruce 06-07-2019 12:24 AM

I think the Arfons Brothers snatched up a lot of them.

xoxoxoBruce 06-12-2019 03:22 AM

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This guy knew how to work around it.

xoxoxoBruce 06-24-2019 11:03 AM

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A 62 foot blade gets the job done. I suspect it's for pulling rather than pushing.

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