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jaminhealth 10-12-2020 02:01 PM

Vit C, Vit D, Zinc and Grape Seed Extract
 
Keep me from fearing Covid B.S. But of course the know it all's don't mention these for a Strong Immune System...

Get that mask on, keep that distance and sanitize those hands all day.

And that vaccine is coming, so hold on.

No vaccine for me and this body has not had one in 30-40 yrs.

glatt 10-12-2020 02:10 PM

"Covid B.S."

What specifically is B.S.? Are you saying the infection and death statistics are a hoax? Or is it more nuanced, that those numbers are real, but that your vitamin regimen is all the protection you need?

Flint 10-12-2020 02:19 PM

This is MUCH WORSE than "yelling fire in a crowded theater" --this is the moral equivalent of pricking random strangers with an AIDS-infected needle.

Ibby 10-12-2020 02:35 PM

According to the National Institutes of Health:

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  • Some studies suggest that grape seed extract might help with symptoms of chronic venous insufficiency and with eye stress from glare, but the evidence isnít strong.
  • Conflicting results have come from studies on grape seed extractís effect on blood pressure. Itís possible that grape seed extract might help to slightly lower blood pressure in healthy people and those with high blood pressure, particularly in people who are obese or have metabolic syndrome. But people with high blood pressure should not take high doses of grape seed extract with vitamin C because the combination might worsen blood pressure.
  • A 2019 review of 15 studies involving 825 participants suggested that grape seed extract might help lower levels of LDL cholesterol, total cholesterol, triglycerides, and the inflammatory marker C-reactive protein. The individual studies, however, were small in size, which could affect the interpretation of the results.
  • The National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health (NCCIH) is supporting research on how certain dietary supplements rich in polyphenols, including grape seed extract, help to reduce the effects of stress on the body and mind. (Polyphenols are substances that are found in many plants and have antioxidant activity.) This research is also looking at how the microbiome affects the absorption of the specific polyphenol components that are helpful.

That means that, according to all scientific studies reviewed by the part of the NIH that studies "complementary health products and practices" (i.e. "alternative medicine"), there might be a tiny bit of (very limited, so far) evidence that it can help with a few specific conditions - blood pressure, cholesterol, "stress", eye strain. That might be true! there isn't enough evidence yet to say conclusively, but it's not a huge stretch to think that, sure, maybe there are some minor benefits to certain conditions. a lot of chemicals and other "supplements" might have some, very minor, hard to prove benefits.
but to spread the idea that it will protect you from deadly plagues? that's extremely dangerous. there is absolutely no evidence of that, except from people trying to sell it.

obviously, you aren't going to trust anything the National Institutes of Health has to say. certainly there are reasons to think critically about what the government has to say on, well, anything. but if the best that the organization dedicated to vindicating alternative health care claims can come up with is "it might, maybe, sorta, help with blood pressure and eye strain", thats a really, really good reason to think very, very critically about the claims being made by the people who want to sell you more of this chemical.

jaminhealth 10-12-2020 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 1060262)
"Covid B.S."

What specifically is B.S.? Are you saying the infection and death statistics are a hoax? Or is it more nuanced, that those numbers are real, but that your vitamin regimen is all the protection you need?

I didn't say Hoax, you did, it's been planned I believe and truly believe it's been handled so badly...shutting down the world ....

jaminhealth 10-12-2020 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibby (Post 1060277)
According to the National Institutes of Health:



That means that, according to all scientific studies reviewed by the part of the NIH that studies "complementary health products and practices" (i.e. "alternative medicine"), there might be a tiny bit of (very limited, so far) evidence that it can help with a few specific conditions - blood pressure, cholesterol, "stress", eye strain. That might be true! there isn't enough evidence yet to say conclusively, but it's not a huge stretch to think that, sure, maybe there are some minor benefits to certain conditions. a lot of chemicals and other "supplements" might have some, very minor, hard to prove benefits.
but to spread the idea that it will protect you from deadly plagues? that's extremely dangerous. there is absolutely no evidence of that, except from people trying to sell it.

obviously, you aren't going to trust anything the National Institutes of Health has to say. certainly there are reasons to think critically about what the government has to say on, well, anything. but if the best that the organization dedicated to vindicating alternative health care claims can come up with is "it might, maybe, sorta, help with blood pressure and eye strain", thats a really, really good reason to think very, very critically about the claims being made by the people who want to sell you more of this chemical.

There are 1000's of specialists on viruses and I've heard a good group and so I have formed my opinions...I don't sit glued to a tv.

Ibby 10-12-2020 02:54 PM

"planned" by who? how? planned in what way?

how would you have preferred it been handled? is there a better way to stop the transmission of a deadly, airborne, highly virulent plague than preventing contact and avoiding traveling to places where you can bring it with you?

Ibby 10-12-2020 02:56 PM

thousands of specialists on viruses that say dietary supplements can prevent them? credible ones? whose work you can show us to back up these claims? who have evidence that supplement chemicals have a statistically significant effect on virus infection, transmission, and prognosis?

Undertoad 10-12-2020 03:01 PM

psst it's now widely believed in doctorin' communities that levels of Vitamin D have a tremendous effect on COVID

Ibby 10-12-2020 03:04 PM

phew, good thing nobody was saying "you don't need vitamins"

jaminhealth 10-12-2020 03:19 PM

Ibby I'm not going to post the sources I believe, as they will get laughed at by members here....if you have an interest do your research....

One of my great sources is Coast to Coast radio and the many "outside the mainstream thinkers" Noory has on.

As a matter of fact, here is tonight's guest on CtoC

First Half: Prof. Jay W. Richards, Ph.D., discusses questions about the unprecedented global COVID shutdown - what will be the total cost in dollars, lives, and livelihoods of this response from governments? And, how did science bureaucrats, relying on what he says is murky data and speculative computer models, gain the power to shut down the global economy?

You want more people...you can do your work as I've done mine.

jaminhealth 10-12-2020 03:26 PM

Well I woke up to this deficiency in 2006 from my sister who is now gone due to MS, but she reminded me how important D is and when I tested, talk about LOW.....

jaminhealth 10-12-2020 03:31 PM

I would not doubt for second if MOST of the dead were all Vit D deficient....the old folks home are full of propped up people waiting to go....

I spent time 4.5 months -- a nightmare -- due to a knee infection and I saw it all...very very very sad...Vit D pennies a day...

Undertoad 10-12-2020 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibby (Post 1060284)
phew, good thing nobody was saying "you don't need vitamins"

Well, the post I was responding to seemed to read highly skeptical that any credible expert would believe that supplements could be beneficial.

jaminhealth 10-12-2020 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibby (Post 1060282)
thousands of specialists on viruses that say dietary supplements can prevent them? credible ones? whose work you can show us to back up these claims? who have evidence that supplement chemicals have a statistically significant effect on virus infection, transmission, and prognosis?

Do your own research Ibby...there are many sides to the story and the NIH is one side who pushes pharma drugs...and vaccines.


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