bac
I just had a conversation with someone close to me.
I took the side there are several intelligent bacs, (born agains.)
She held that an intelligent bac is an oxymoron.
Yes or No?
dov, your hatred is telling on you.
Of all religious people, the least intelligent would have to be religiously intolerant Jews. At least Islamists have a culture of intolerance. To come to it of your own free will is...
OK...I've got a question for you dov. At some point in my life, I might become a BAC. Would that mean that I'd lose any of the intelligence I have left, or would it mean I never had any to begin with?
That is, do you think the process of becomming born again somehow brainwashes a person, or do you think that only people with minimal intelligence are attracted to that way of thinking?
dov, your hatred is telling on you.
Their bottom line of murdering thirteen million Jews to bring forth the second coming, is telling on me. You want to hear rhetoric and watch tap dancing at its best, ask a bac about annihilating thirteen million Jews. Btw, why the evangelicals support Israel, is because the holocaustII must happen there. Your right, my hatred is an understatement. Ninety five percent of the mother of my children's, family perished in Auschwitz. Her mother lucked out and was in the other line. She watched as six sibling and her parents walked into the gas chamber. One sister survived with her.
Thirteen million, more than twice hitler managed to bake.
Of all religious people, the least intelligent would have to be religiously intolerant Jews. At least Islamists have a culture of intolerance. To come to it of your own free will is...
Tolerate people who make hitler look like a boy scout? Be my guest you tolerate for both of us, I'll pass,
I would not worry about it Alia, you have no intelligence to lose. You are a perfect candidate.
lol...geez dov, that's not very nice of you.
I might be upside down, but I'm not backwards. ;)
On a whole, lazy people are attracted to becoming bacs, take a bath, instant redemption, redemption the majority of the world works their asses off striving toward ideals most of their lives. Work their asses off. Bacs never have to think again, and for some, thinking is work. They are told what, when, and where to think. They are given the party platform (a front for the true platform.) Trained, a few props, a book here and there, the condensed manipulated gospels some con artist came up with, about fifty years ago. A little Armageddon here, a little end of days there,and that oh so pretty Rapture, given a territory to recruit (brain wash, fresh meat) seventy five million in the states, ten percent of the worlds population are bacs. I keep my eye on them
They run the White House.
Keep your eyes on Africa.
Thirteen million, more than twice hitler managed to bake.
So, that means only 7 million more to go to make target.
One of the few things stopping that from being a reality is the United States' support of Israel.
Just say thank you.
I am a bac, and have been since June 75. I am an intelligent and thoughtful person.( I hope) I am tolerant of other people, and their beliefs. I accept anyone's philosophy as long as they can be objective, and tolerant of mine.
Their bottom line of murdering thirteen million Jews to bring forth the second coming, is telling on me. You want to hear rhetoric and watch tap dancing at its best, ask a bac about annihilating thirteen million Jews. Btw, why the evangelicals support Israel, is because the holocaustII must happen there. Your right, my hatred is an understatement. Ninety five percent of the mother of my children's, family perished in Auschwitz. Her mother lucked out and was in the other line. She watched as six sibling and her parents walked into the gas chamber. One sister survived with her.
Thirteen million, more than twice hitler managed to bake.
Ask me about annihilating thirteen million Jews and I'll hardly tapdance. In fact, I really don't know what you are talking about. The future you propose is nothing any BAC I know would advocate. And while bitterness about the PAST is understandable (my own ancestors survived the Trail of Tears), letting it rot your heart and soul for this long is not.
Insulting the people on this board does not mark you as very mature or enlightened.
I agree, though, the act of redemption does seem a little too easy doesn't it? Only for those looking on maybe, not for those experiencing it. I assure you that I am not the kind of person who is going to be told what to think and when. Really lazy people aren't attracted to becoming BACs, they are attracted into believing any old belief system that is thrown their way (or a lot of unproven generalities.) Not every BAC is a genius, but that is true when describing any group.
I am a bac, and have been since June 75. I am an intelligent and thoughtful person.( I hope) I am tolerant of other people, and their beliefs. I accept anyone's philosophy as long as they can be objective, and tolerant of mine.
Will I watch you dance (distract, spin) or will you be forthcoming?
At the End of Days, what becomes of the Jews of the world, approximately thirteen million?
What becomes of 144,000 of those Jews?
Is the States, (run by neocons/evangelicals), support of Israel tied into, for the second coming to occur, all the Jews of the world must occupy Israel, not just the present borders of Israel, but the borders of the Biblical Israel, which includes the West Bank?
I would be embarrassed to tell the truth if I were in your shoes, of course.
I am patient.
I hope I do not have to educate you, about your own doctrine.
Thirty years, I should not have to.
Are you honest?
One of the few things stopping that from being a reality is the United States' support of Israel.
Just say thank you.
Setting us up for the kill.
No thank you from me.
Will I watch you dance (distract, spin) or will you be forthcoming?
At the End of Days, what becomes of the Jews of the world, approximately thirteen million?
What becomes of 144,000 of those Jews?
Is the States, (run by neocons/evangelicals), support of Israel tied into, for the second coming to occur, all the Jews of the world must occupy Israel, not just the present borders of Israel, but the borders of the Biblical Israel, which includes the West Bank?
I would be embarrassed to tell the truth if I were in your shoes, of course.
I am patient.
I hope I do not have to educate you, about your own doctrine.
Thirty years, I should not have to.
Are you honest?
Tsk! Tsk! Surely even you understand that eschatology is a much debated subject, with a lot of different theories, amongst the varied lot of Christians? I am not embarassed and neither is Mr Fargon. We don't need you or any one else to 'educate' us regarding doctrine. It would be interesting to know where you get your information, though. You must know something that we don't, to be so worried about the 'end of the world.'
A specific question and as I predicted, dance and spin, no answer.
They have you well trained. Acting humbly stupid is a nice touch. Then again clones dont know they are clones. So in your insanity you buy the garbage you attempted to pass on to me. I am not finished with you yet. Later, until you get honest.
You can be a dick on some other forum, you know.
Thanks UT. Heres amessage for dov, I may be to stupid to understand what you are talking about, but at least I know what I'm talking about. "Taking a bath" does not grant forgivness, only accepting Jesus as your personal lord and savior will. You also have to accept the fact that (I, we, you) are sinners and will always be sinners. Salvation will not change that. I know that there are some self ritious (sp) Christains out there, and there will be attonment.
Baptism is only a public proffesion of faith. We need to understand that we are as guilty of nailing Jesus to that cross as the Roman Soldiers that did it. Iff you want perfection we had the perfect man, and we nailed him to a tree and watched him DIE.
dov I Love you and everybody else and want you all to know Jesus and enjoy the peace that comes with salvation.
I invite you and every body to go to church this sunday and listen to what they have to say you may be suprized to here that tolerance and love is the theme, you are welcome to attend and ask questions, they will not judge you. Open your mind and your heart and listen to what the lord says.
Love terry :)
For dov. The 144,000 christain Jews will be left behind to do the Lord's work only the Lord knows what that will be.
dov I Love you and everybody else ...
...
I invite you and every body to go to church this sunday and listen to what they have to say you may be suprized to here that tolerance and love is the theme ...
Love terry :)
The only thing better than vanquishing your enemies is eating their young!!! :rattat:
You seem to be sending inconsistent messages.
Well, Fargon is not the only one. Dov seems to be sending a lot of inconsistent messages, himself. He arrived on this board spoiling for a fight and has managed to post something inflammatory on every thread he visits. Then he whines "poor me." He feels the US support of Israel is about the fundies wanting to herd all Jewish peoples there for the last coming. This despite the fact that US administrations of all political stripes have supported the Israeli State, regardless. What? Would he be happier if we invaded Israel since they do have WMD's and demolished the country and gave it to the Saudi Royal Family, instead? Discussing anything with the man is pointless, because you can bet that he will only twist things round to his own sole obsession. I am bored already and he's been around less than a week. :tinfoil:
I asked a very specific question.
I received everything but a specific answer, as I predicted.
Instead of attacking the posts, some have attacked the poster.
I love all of you too.
You can be a dick on some other forum, you know.
Reality check.
No one is forcing you to read my posts.
Only catch is, that takes discipline on your part, not to read my posts.
I have not been abusive. I have stated my point of view, uncensored, and posed questions.
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
If everyone here agrees with everything I post, it would mean I am kissing ass, and full of shit. Sorry, I do not do generic well.
I love you too terry.
(I still have not received any specific answers to my End of Days questions)
I asked a very specific question.
Are you talking about in your original post? I don't see a specific question, I see 2 opinions and then "yes or no" (you forgot the little boxes to check off, btw). Yes or no what? Are there intelligent xtians?
Is there any difference among people who worship magic books? If you're going to assume that people who accept Truth without evidence aren't very bright, why the need to categorize them further depending on which magic book they get their Truth from?
Unless you're just saying that the Truths in your magic book don't exactly jive with the Truths in their magic book, and so therefore they're stupid. Is that what you're saying?
I am very peaceful untill attacked. I'm not perfect just forgiven.
For dov. The 144,000 christain Jews will be left behind to do the Lord's work only the Lord knows what that will be.
The 144,000 christain Jews. Christain Jews? Hahaha. You have to get a piece of everything don’t you? lol
They are called the Children of Israel (7:4). Their tribal affiliation is specific (7:4-8).
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand.
I am from the tribe of Levi, I am a Cohain, a High Priest.
Convert me and you get quadruple points.
Greetings. I am Ishtar. I am an Akkadian, a Semitic goddess.
See? We're all different here.
Except for you. You are all the same.
(you forgot the little boxes to check off, btw). Yes or no what?
Thank you for the box checking tip.
This is/was my question.
At the End of Days, what becomes of the Jews of the world, approximately thirteen million?
No answer, yet.
forget the Jews! What becomes of the pagans!!?? That's what the hell I want to know! Why must we be so ethnocentric, huh? There are others who will not enjoy the rapture, ya know!
At the End of Days, what becomes of the Jews of the world, approximately thirteen million?
It depends on whether we reach the stars. If not, they are killed when the sun goes supernova. If we do, they run out of resources in the heat death of the universe.
But thirteen million seems like a pessimistic estimate when we're talking that far in the future.
forget the Jews! What becomes of the pagans!!?? That's what the hell I want to know! Why must we be so ethnocentric, huh? There are others who will not enjoy the rapture, ya know!
I am looking foreword to a pagan thread, but then again defining it is disrespectful, and forces one out of the moment, from my experience.
Do you think we like the attention? (Jews) Keeps distracting us from our chicken soup preparation. Now preparing chicken soup is the apex of meditation, honed over a five thousand year period.
You've been lightly abusive dov, which is being a dick. You're game playing, which is being a dick. You're denying it, which is being a dick. Well, you can be a bigger dick elsewhere. There are a thousand forums out there which will let you be a massive dick. If you can't get your point across here without being a dick, you are wasting your time. That's all I'm saying.
Very eloquently put toad, Thank you for your concerns.
I dont see any victims. Do you see any victims?
I play games, wanna play? Take a step back, forget self, and look at my posts as they are intended to be, fun.
Brianna read me the second she saw me, pm her if you cant figure me out yourself. I do not appear abusive to anybody with at least one operable brain cell working.
Well actually the second time she saw me, the first I had to punish her for her disrespect and crudeness. I still have not completely healed.
(*stunned*)
I was punished?
Did I like it?
(*stunned*)
and, dov? You DO appear to be an insufferable depressive who hates groups of people indiscriminately, based upon their religious leanings or nationality.
That makes you sound soooo familiar...Oh, yeah! Like a bigot!
I play games, wanna play? Take a step back, forget self, and look at my posts as they are intended to be, fun.
Please. Don't insult my intelligence... or your own.
So, Dov, your "fun" question is what will become of 13 million Jews at the end of the days?
Define "end of the days," please. If you are referring to what the BAC's think, shouldn't you post your question on a BAC board? While there are a couple of people around here who say they espouse BAC beleif, none of them claims to be a theologian. I don't know what Smoothmoniker's religous affiliation is, but he does seem to know quite a bit of theology. Maybe he could answer your question.
Since you posed your question to the board in general, here is my general answer:
The same thing that will happen to everyone else. I beleive the end of the days will be when the sun goes anova or whenever man over runs earth's carrying capacity for his species - whichever comes first.
Are we having fun, yet?
Keep your eyes on Africa.
Living with a person can't stand people around him, can't stand being a slave with that mind control machine.
The saudian channel destroyed his dreams, life and humanity, they enslaved
him.
He lost his hapiness, friends, family, faculty, mind and life, he lost every thing.
The world asked how can we live by a hatred sadness insane mind.
Is there any difference among people who worship magic books? If you're going to assume that people who accept Truth without evidence aren't very bright, why the need to categorize them further depending on which magic book they get their Truth from?
Unless you're just saying that the Truths in your magic book don't exactly jive with the Truths in their magic book, and so therefore they're stupid. Is that what you're saying?
BINGO!!! Give that woman a prize! :D
hates groups of people indiscriminately, based upon their religious leanings or nationality.
That makes you sound soooo familiar...Oh, yeah! Like a bigot!
I hate two groups, a group whose mission I am aware of, and threatens myself and my families lives, and also anybody in anyway responsible for the present american administration, who occupies the White House today, including the specific administration of course. If therefore, as the result of my personal biases, by your definition, then I am a bigot and dam proud of it.
dov? You DO appear to be an insufferable depressive
Enjoy yourself in my brain Brianna. I would not dare venture there unaccompanied myself. Hope you make it out unscathed. Btw, I am sure you have heard of the words
projection and
transference, re depression. I believe there is a whole new generation of meds that may help you.
I was punished?
Did I like it?
Not remotely close, yet.
dov. Go fuck yourself.
Oh, and congratulations! you've made my iggy!
Ya dickhead.
Yo, Dov! Yer mamma's callin' you! Maybe your question should be, "What will happen to one troll at the end of the days?" :eyebrow:
65 million other fellow American Evangelical cultists love Jews for one simple reason: They hope to bundle every hairy Jewish ass up, air-freight them to the West Bank and East Jerusalem (once those areas have been cleansed of Muslims), and use the Jews as bait to bring upon the Rapture, as kindling in the Apocalypse, the final battle that will bring Jesus back to Earth.
None of this can happen until every last Jew is penned into the occupied territories—and the Jews won't get there unless the far-right runs Israel and America. Currently 65 million American cultists are using everything in their power, from prayer to politics, to make this Helter Skelter scenario come true.
Here is a stunning description of the Rapture in Evangelical cult leader Michael D. Evans' new bestseller, The American Prophecies
Under this Evangelical "end of days" scenario, there's some good news and some bad news, depending on which cult you belong to.
First, the good news: The Rapture be bery-bery-good to Evangelical Christians. When that day arrives, they all get sucked up to heaven— body, clothes, mobile phones and all.
Evangelicals believe prophesy a nuclear holocaust: "Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet/Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets/And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths." (Zechariah 14:12)
A few years after the Rapture comes the Apocalypse. This is the bad-news part of the Evangelical equation, for some people anyway—the part of the buddy flick where the one buddy says to the other, "Sorry friend, it was either you or me."
The funny thing about The American Prophecies is that while Evans quotes extensively from Zechariah, he leaves out the one passage that every Evangelical secretly prays for: And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith Jehovah, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried.
(Zechariah 13:8, 9)
In other words, two-thirds of the world's Jews, now crammed into the dusty West Bank, go to the woodchipper, and the surviving third (or perhaps as few as 144,000, depending on how you read your Bible) gets forcibly converted to Evangelical Christianity. Number nine, number nine…
This is why Jews should beware. Michael Evans and the 23 percent of the American population he represents need a Greater Israel in order to get sucked up into God's DustBuster. But to get to the "end of days," they need the Jews' cooperation. Which is probably why Evans left this part of the script out of his book. Today, Evangelicals' strategy is something like this: "Hey, maybe we've been scaring the Jews away all these years, with pogroms and quotas and stuff. Maybe if we act all nice, they'll come out from under the bed and go to Judea and Samara. Heeeeere Jew-ie Jew-ie. Nice Jewie!"
The Evangelicals' late-20th-century strategy of embracing Jews as their biggest, bestest friends in the whole wide world reads like an updated Hansel and Gretel, with Evans playing the witch luring Hymie and Gilah into his West Bank lair in order to cook them.
The funny thing about The American Prophecies is that while Evans quotes extensively from Zechariah, he leaves out the one passage that every Evangelical secretly prays for:
And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith Jehovah, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried. (Zechariah 13:8, 9)
He leaves out the one passage that every Evangelical secretly prays for:
Look familiar cellists?
Every Evangelical SECRETLY prays for.
Fried
Look familiar cellists?
Well, I don't play the cello, myself, and, no, it doesn't look familiar. I actually thought you were making the book of Zechariah up, but sure enough, there it was in the Bible that my puppy almost chewed up that was bestowed upon me by a kind Catholic Church Lady one night with the hope that I would start attending the local Sunday Mass. Alas, nice church lady has been and will continue to be disappointed (wonder if I should give her the Bible back except that its chewed? Oh, well.)
Anyhow, I read a few lines of Zech and automatically relegated it to my mental "old Testament crazy high on a very bad acid trip" catagory. Say, wanna hear some of the Navajo Blessingway? Its much nicer late night reading. Repeat after me:
In beauty may you walk.
On abundent trails of pollen, may you walk.
May it be beautiful before you,
As it is beautiful behind you.
As it used to be long ago,
In beauty may you walk
The Navajo believe they're going to take back the world someday, too (I think). There's lots of Navajo. They have two Navajo broadcasting stations in the 4 Corners Area. They have several newspapers. Take a deep breath and think "beauty" and call me in the morning.
Oh, and think Bodisattva Vow. I think the Bodisattva's have a lot more power than some old Testament crank long dead and buried. There's Bodisattva's walking around right now. They just don't get the sensationalist press that nutso evangelicals do. Bodisattva's and Navajo's. There, there.
It is a lovely poem and thak you.
No offence please. I can freely discus the God of Abraham, whom I believe in, but it is not an exclusive faith. Elements that surround me moment to moment through time, I have learnt describing and defining her subtracts from her and is disrespectful. I do not judge anybodies spirituality or their expression of it.
Now having seen this new kinder gentler approach I have been moved to read this Zechariah, and notwithstanding all the other fire and brinstone crap in the Old Testament, it sure seems like they're indicating disease and not nuclear annihilation. At the time they would have no clue to this future technology, but flesh would often rot that way via various plagues, and the story of particularly horrorful plagues would travel.
Nuclear annihilation wouldn't reference the consuming of the flesh so much as the burning of it. If God intended to indicate nuclear here, he was a poor writer, apparently unable to select words for clarity.
The OT sure does suck, but then, I thought BACs put more importance into the NT. The NT sure does deny a lot of the fire and brimstone crap with a newfound attitude of tolerance and kindness.
The OT sure does suck, but then, I thought BACs put more importance into the NT. The NT sure does deny a lot of the fire and brimstone crap with a newfound attitude of tolerance and kindness.
A Softer Gentler Book righttttttttttttttttttttt
Child Beating.
"He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him takes care to chastise him" (Proverbs 13:24 NAB)
"Chastise your son, for in this there is hope, but do not desire his death. The man of violent temper pays the penalty; even if you rescue him, you will have to do it again." (Proverbs 19:18-19)
Baby Bashing.
"Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock." Psalms 137:9
Become a Eunuch for God.
For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. (Matthew 19:12)
God Makes Wicked People.
The Lord has made everything for his own ends, even the wicked for the evil day. (Proverbs 16:4 )
A Ravenous Appetite is Bad.
And put a knife to your throat if you have a ravenous appetite. (Proverbs 23:2)
The Mouth of an Adulteress.
The mouth of an adulteress is a deep pit; he with whom the Lord is angry will fall into it. (Proverbs 22:14)
The Prince of Peace?
(Jesus speaking) "Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man 'against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's enemies will be those of his household'". (Matthew 10:34-36)
Slaves Must Respect Their Masters.
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2)
Women Are Subordinate to Men.
Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly. For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve. And it was the woman, not Adam, who was deceived by Satan, and sin was the result. But women will be saved through childbearing and by continuing to live in faith, love, holiness, and modesty. (1 Timothy 2:11-15)
Shut Up Women!
As in all the churches of the holy ones, women should keep silent in the churches, for they are not allowed to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. But if they want to learn anything, they should ask their husbands at home. For it is improper for a woman to speak in the church. (1 Corinthians 14:33-35)
Hate Your Family.
(Jesus Speaking) If anyone comes to me without hating his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, and even his own life, he can not be my disciple. (Luke 14:26)
The Fiery Furnace.
The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will collect out of his kingdom all who cause others to sin and all evildoers. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth. (Matthew 13:41-42)
There is soooo much more, but I believe I made my point with these tid-bits.
In case you missed my point, all those books are full of shit.In case you missed my point, all those books are full of shit.[/B]
So there, dov, you getting all the answers in life you wanted out of The Cellar? All your spiritual questions answered and all that jazz? Did you come here to have your "yes or no" question answered or simply to permit your flailing rants to be broadcast to the world?
There is soooo much more, but I believe I made my point with these tid-bits.
In case you missed my point, all those books are full of shit.
That's surely true, but the overall NT message -- not contradicted by your examples -- does not contain the savagery and war of the OT. People were pretty much instructed to be cool, as opposed to the OT where they were often instructed to decimate entire enemy populations with the assistance of God.
You sought to make your own point, not to contradict mine, and so you failed to contradict mine and it stands -- y'see? If you want to disprove my point, you have to address it, you see?
Did you come here to have your "yes or no" question answered
I knew the answer before I asked it. It was confirmed.
That's surely true, but the overall NT message -- not contradicted by your examples -- does not contain the savagery and war of the OT. People were pretty much instructed to be cool, as opposed to the OT where they were often instructed to decimate entire enemy populations with the assistance of God.
That makes my brimstone bigger than your brimstone. nanananana.
I knew the answer before I asked it. It was confirmed.
Right. I'm sure your generous contribution to the greater world of debate has been noted, somewhere.
This thread seems to be more about a spiritual masturbation session on your part than anything else. Any indication otherwise is rendered null, since your side of the discussion is easily
replaced by another source of static text.
Did you come here to have your "yes or no" question answered or simply to permit your flailing rants to be broadcast to the world?
I knew the answer before I asked it. It was confirmed.
Kitsune also knew the answer to his question, and by evading it you confirmed it.
am i the only one that thought bac stood for blood alcohol content?
My question confirmed that no bac will ever reveal he or she would do their best to assist in the herding 13 million Jews into Israel and then assist in anyway possible in the genocide of at least two thirds of the Jews, to bring forth the second coming, period. The rest of this thread is gift-wrapping. Bacs will not deny it and they will not admit it. I take it very seriously, life or death for family, community and myself, in fact. If you like to play ego head games, and impotent macho put downs, enjoy. I got what I came for, again, and again and again.
Spin spin spin away.
My question confirmed that no bac will ever reveal he or she would do their best to assist in the herding 13 million Jews into Israel and then assist in anyway possible in the genocide of at least two thirds of the Jews, to bring forth the second coming, period.
First, I'll note I'm not a "bac" or anything even remotely close to it. 13 million Jews? Genocide? I don't even know what the hell you're talking about, nor do I really care. But...
The rest of this thread is gift-wrapping.
...put the bows, scotch tape, glittery paper, and name cards back in the junk drawer. All we've seen are empty boxes wrapped in paper-thin pages from a copy a of KJV. You're simply throwing quotes around for no damn reason and you've done everything in your power to bring about as little discussion as possible. You believe in this so strongly? Feel so cocnerned for the safety of your family? None of us would honestly have any idea, as you've done a very poor job of conveying any of it, so far. No argument, no facts, no opinions, no structure.
If you like to play ego head games, and impotent macho put downs, enjoy.
...because so far, this is aboslutely all you've accomplished.
I got what I came for, again, and again and again.
Spin spin spin away.
Enjoy your gift wrapping of this thread. You have a shining career at the mall concierge desk come November.
13 million Jews? Genocide? I don't even know what the hell you're talking about, nor do I really care.
Of course, I am not surpriced.
Of course, I am not surpriced.
I am not "surpriced" at your lack of reply. Before you continue shouting through your paper megaphone, I urge you to
do a little reading.
I urge you to do a little reading.
Save your urges for someone else. Formal debate? I am not as anal as some. I make it up as I go along. Works for me.
am i the only one that thought bac stood for blood alcohol content?
Nice try. Your mind powers will not work on dov. We need the help of
ThreadHijackMan. Where is he when you need him?
Save your urges for someone else. Formal debate? I am not as anal as some. I make it up as I go along. Works for me.
Urges? Oh, dov! :love:
Tell you what -- I'll bring this down more to your level. Regardless of tips you might have picked up while arguing that your lunchbox was better than someone else's in the cafetieria during elementary school break, discussion is
not comprised of:
1. Plug ears.
2. Shout beliefs.
3. Discount naysayers with insults.
Here's a hint: try the following.
1. State your fears, concerns, or grievances.
2. State why you have this stance. Provide evidence.
3. Provide a possible solution/improvement.
4. Listen to what others have to say, counter or support their viewpoints.
5. Repeat steps 1-4 and learn from them.
You, sir, remind me of a very young Radar. Only, more religious and less libertarian.
My question confirmed that no bac will ever reveal he or she would do their best to assist in the herding 13 million Jews into Israel and then assist in anyway possible in the genocide of at least two thirds of the Jews, to bring forth the second coming, period.
I asked my bac neighbor if she knew anything about this plan you are privy too and it was definitely news to her. However, she will pray for your soul ;)
Originally posted by dov:There is soooo much more, but I believe I made my point with these tid-bits.
In case you missed my point, all those books are full of shit.[/QUOTE]
Similar tidbits can be found in the OT. By your own reasoning that also makes the OT books also full of shit, right?
I'm just following the logical bouncing ball.
And in case it wasn't deduced from my previous post, I do emphatically deny there is a plan to herd and destroy the Jewish people. End of statement.
Many fools have tried to predict the future from interpreting the Bible. The future cannot be known.
The question is, WHO TOLD DOV? :rolleyes:
I am a bac, and have been since June 75. I am an intelligent and thoughtful person.( I hope) I am tolerant of other people, and their beliefs. I accept anyone's philosophy as long as they can be objective, and tolerant of mine.
You have defined yourself more in line with philosphies being advocated by the current Pope and in direct opposition to so many fundamentalist religious leaders. You have a problem with the hate too often promoted by those fundamentalist religious leaders - especially in the 700 Club. For example, if I read your post accurately, then you have no problem watching Brokeback Mountain. If I read your posts as intended, then you are in full agreement with writings of Kahlil Gibran.
Thank You TW. Hatered and self promotion for personal gain were not part of Jesus's ministry on earth. Jesus was sent here to to show us the way to salvation. Unfortunitly some people have hi-jacked his message and turned it into a money machine, or worse a platform to launch their own rise to power. Some lefty's use a slogan that applys here "think globely and act localy" while I pray for the salvation of Christ for the whole world, I am limeted and contain my actions to La Crosse on the Mississippi.
Asfar as I am concerned Brokeback Mountain is a film and I will wait to see it on HBO where I can sleep thru it in peace.
Hatered and self promotion for personal gain were not part of Jesus's ministry on earth.
Didn't you just love the way Pat Robertson had himself cut off from the mega-million dollar Holy Land Resort they were trying to build in Israel when he made one of his hateful statements about Sharon and God's punishment? Seems that God knew EXACTLY how to punish the Rev. Robertson :D
Didn't you just love the way Pat Robertson had himself cut off from the mega-million dollar Holy Land Resort they were trying to build in Israel when he made one of his hateful statements about Sharon and God's punishment? Seems that God knew EXACTLY how to punish the Rev. Robertson :D
Israel will make a deal, not direcly with Robertson but some crony of his.
Ask a BAC about the end of days, and they will lie. It is part of their platform. Ask a BAC neighbour, he will lie. Any Bacs here, on this Forum, they will lie. They lie in the name of Jesus. The second coming, which they believe will happen in their generation, which began in 1948 with the formation of Israel. No specific time was given in the Bacs condensed and the rearrangements of words, sentences and chapters of the Gospels into “their” book. Israel and Jews play a sublime role in the tribulation, end of days, the apocalypse, and most inviting and alluring of all, the Rapture. They see the opportunity slipping away, with the elections of Hamas. It is crucial in their fantasyland that Jews occupy the West Bank. The scariest part now is, if it isn’t God’s will, they are powerful enough, without God, the Bacs can create the environment for the end of days and delude themselves that it is Gods will.
The individual who feels threatened by my words and the most aggrieve in their response, know I speak the truth and they cannot yet let the truth see the sunlight.
Later maybe, I will put some quotes and articles together to point out the American foreign policy is dictated by the evangelicals.
How do I know? I study.
The lives of my family, community and me are at stake.
I am tired finally and going to close my eyes.
Wake me if you can.
Dov, Does this mean that you will go away and stop asking questions that nobody's even herd of. We have tried to answer you but all you can do is insult us, christain, jew, agnostic, pagon, and atheist aliike. I can not speak for my friends here in the celler but I am tired of you, if you cannot play nice go play someplace else. Thank You for Shareing
How many millions carry this secret again Dov? It must be the biggest, most amazing conspiracy ever developed, that they can share this secret amongst themselves and not allow the truth out.
You say it's published in their book or something?
Even when I briefly considered myself B.A.C. for 3 months at age 13, they didn't let me in on the secret!!! It must be a very closely guarded thing or something.
Israel will make a deal, not direcly with Robertson but some crony of his.
Ask a BAC about the end of days, and they will lie. It is part of their platform. Ask a BAC neighbour, he will lie. Any Bacs here, on this Forum, they will lie. They lie in the name of Jesus. The second coming, which they believe will happen in their generation, which began in 1948 with the formation of Israel. No specific time was given in the Bacs condensed and the rearrangements of words, sentences and chapters of the Gospels into “their” book. Israel and Jews play a sublime role in the tribulation, end of days, the apocalypse, and most inviting and alluring of all, the Rapture. They see the opportunity slipping away, with the elections of Hamas. It is crucial in their fantasyland that Jews occupy the West Bank. The scariest part now is, if it isn’t God’s will, they are powerful enough, without God, the Bacs can create the environment for the end of days and delude themselves that it is Gods will.
it hurts me, inside, but as a good Christian I cannot hide this darkness (which is really light) much longer. dov speaks the truth and each and every day it hurts me to lie to those that are not born again about the plan that was put into effect decades ago. Israel is the key and it is why the US fights and must continue to fight even as the hamas threatens to shorten the already brief window we have to make things right, to align all events in the world.
I will pray for you, dov, and your family. I am sorry, but we are only doing what we must do and as the bible tells us all.
even though the secret we keep safe is important, I feel it no longer matters that we hold it quietly because events have already progressed well enough in our favor that there is no stopping what has been put into motion. all bacs must confess so that they might be free of lies when their end comes, which is really simply our great beginning.
god bless you, dov.
So, is imprint dov, or is s/he zooming him? I'd say it's about 50/50.
Let the battle royale begin! There can be only one!!!
So, is imprint dov, or is s/he zooming him? I'd say it's about 50/50.
Working the profession you do, I'm sure you know it could very well be
both.
dov - any chance you read Dan Brown's books?? The conspiracy theory you attribute to the BAC's of the world sounds eerily like the "Iluminati" in Brown's books...
I have never heard of the genocide of the Jewish populace to bring about the tribulation....where are you getting your information from?
PROOF, we simple people cry for PROOF.
on a lighter note - if the BAC's are capable of keeping this kind of secret think of the implications... I bet any money that Bill Clinton wishes Monica had been a BAC.
Let the battle royale begin! There can be only one!!!
this is no battle for dov or myself. dov is simply frightened because he knows what is inevitable. have you read his poetry shown here? they are the sad confused words of a man who is dying to be born again. dov, I will help you and your family to not be afraid. dov, do not drown your sorrow in rain or wine. walk away from the thickness of night and into the light. please read the bible. let me help you listen to truth!
I have head the only book that matters on the subject "The Holy Bible-KJV" backwards and forwards. I cannot figure out the question as posed by dov or imprint. It says to beware of false teachings and prophets in the end times. The present President of Iran has said that he in going to nuke Israel. Based on past actions of the Israeli government, Iran will lose their nuke plant soon.
Color me a disbeliever, but can you name your sources please?
I have read the only book that matters on the subject "The Holy Bible-KJV" backwards and forwards.
What does it say backwards?
Israel will make a deal, not direcly with Robertson but some crony of his.
You are mistaken. There was a coalition of parties proposing this resort complex and the Israelis made it very clear that Robertson personally and none of his companies were to have anything further to do with the negotiations or to participate in any profits. There will be nothing further discussed until he is gone gone gone, and Robertson's insincere apology didn't get him anything. They delivered a kick in the nuts to that blowhard biggot, and I'd expect nothing else of any Sabra.
And Dov, Robertson is no more the spokesman and poster child of the Evangelicals in this country than you are of The Cellar. Thank God.
What's God got to do with it?
I'm sure Dov will tell us, put on your boots :rolleyes:
Da Vinci Code is FICTION, and written as FICTION. Come on dov/imprint or what ever personality you are using at the moment give us something we can use as a basis for examination, not some story albeit good about the end times. I would like to discuss this with you cellar style, instead of name calling, and talk of secret societies aka mormons, masons, iluminiti, whatever. We enjoy lively debate here, so debate don't accuse.
Well, I googled the question, and yeah, there is a contingent of whacko's who espouse the beliefs Dov has outlined for us. Of course, you can find a contingent of whacko's who believe most anything you care to imagine and much you wouldn't!
So, who knows? Maybe Imprint is one of those people who read all those novels about the "end of the days" and actually believes that stuff. I mean, Imprint thinks Walmart is a sterling example of free American enterprise and that anybody who doesn't have a job where they pull down at least $50,000/year deserves to be an object of derision or dogfood - whichever comes first. So, we all know how bright Imprint is.
Yeah, I think we should be concerned that we have a president who is a BAC with Messianic delusions. Its damn spooky - and not just for the Jews - for ALL of us! :rolleyes:
Fargon is correct. Dan Brown's books are FICTION. that was the point of my post.
dov - Are you refering to Dominionism?? The conspiracy theory that purports that Modern day Christian Anarchists will overthrow the US Gov't and put in place a new gov't based on the Old Testament? And then proceed to take over the world to bring about the end times?
if you want to sway or instruct you must reveal your sources...
I am happy to reveal mine - The Bible - New American Standard.
That's very interesting, FallenFairy, because you just described the blueprint the Mormon Church was guarding in the 1890's for the United States of America. We lucked out because the trigger event, namely the Second Coming of Joseph Smith to kick off the party, didn't happen as scheduled. To make the best of the situation, Church leaders instructed the faithful to hide the plural wives and Utah went for statehood instead.
um....RE: the above. have we entered the TWILIGHT ZONE yet?
i'm wondering...
If you are referring to Tonchi's post re the Mormons and Utah, Bri, the Twilight Zone begins at the Colorado/Utah border near a little town called Paradox. There's uranium tailings everywhere and cows drinking water out of settling ponds with radio-active warnings and EPA notices. Your car radio will be playing:
a) Beethoven's 5th Sympathy courtesy the magnificent Colorado Public Broadcasting Station
b) "Mamma's don't let your baby's grow up to be cowboys" on KRZX - MUSTANG Country Radio!
c) The top 40 all time greatest hits of the Navajo Nation - sung in Navajo with accompanying drums and rattles
You speed past the "Last Chance to Likker Quicker" Store and over the state line into arid, Moroni fearing Utah. 50 miles into Utah, you'll hit the first sign of human life, a town with the unlikely name of Monticello. The Bank of Zion stands prominently across from the LDS church where they won't give water from their outside tap to anyone with out of state of plates. Beer is unheard of, and bigamy is more common than any outsider realizes. Drive south of Monticello to the dry gypsum flats and build yourself a little campfire out there and wait for the Rapture. I'm predicting God goes after Monticello first.
Yup, but Mormons do not qualify as BAC unless you take them at face value that their souls will be recycled constantly back into the same family until the (men only) ones reach godhood themselves - oh never mind, it just keeps getting weirder. Just let's say that any Mormon who became BAC would be excommunicated. What I was explaining previously was that Brigham Young and his successor truly believed in a "Millenial Religion", they believed it would all be over before the year 1900 rolled around and the Mormon Church would be fully in charge of the entire USA at that point, to usher in the (their) Kingdom of God. See, you don't have to listen only to the looneys we have around right now to come up with these kinds of crackpot prophesies.
No, strictly speaking, Mormons aren't BAC, but the difference is more taxonomical than it is anatomical. The mindset is the same. Both groups beleive in a coming apocalypse of some sort where only those who believe as they beleive - the "true believers" - will be saved. Both groups are wary of outsiders and tend to be exclusive rather than inclusive. Like the lady at the world center for prayer who asked if I was "saved" and then sent me around to the back entrance when I informed her that I was Buddhist. Oh, yeah, there's always an apocalypse on the horizon somewhere. I loved Bergman's film "The Seventh Seal" and the knight who played chess with Death. Everything was supposed to go toast in 1000 AD. Better luck next time, I guess. ;)
I love going to "World Prayer Centers". The first time I toured the Temple in Salt Lake City, I got many horrified looks when I kept asking the guide what archaeological evidence they had for their description of the ancient civilizations in the Book of Mormon. They finally flustered around and told me to come back later and talk to one of their "authorities" on the subject. When I returned, I was shunted off to an office with a very pleasant man who was supposed to be a historian-cum-archaeologist and he recommended several texts for me which I copied down and bought at the Deseret Bookstore that afternoon. Most of their "evidence" turned out to be based on reliefs on the temples of Tuluum, and it's coincidental in my opinion. (If anybody cares, Tuluum happens to be one of the least ancient of all the ruin complexes in Mexico and simply could not fit into any of the Mormon timelines.) We already know that the Catherwood expeditions were in Meso-America around the time Joseph Smith was gearing up in upper NY state and he could have seen the engravings. But the main item that refutes their bogus "history", of course, is that the camels, horses, and even elephants which show up in the Book of Mormon simply did not exist in the new world that they describe and are NOT in any sculptures, reliefs, or writings - heck, the Jews in the Old Testament didn't even use elephants so how did they take them to the New World with them! As you can see, I don't go over very well in discussion with a closed society who only admits their own facts. But neither do I waste my time arguing with people who are already in possession of all the facts as far as they are concerned, I just want to understand what they believe and why because it makes me better able to analyze them instead of just over-reacting to somebody different. Afterwards, I may decide they disgust me anyway, but at least I will understand why there might be concrete reasons for my opinion.
I really don't think you can compare the Mormons with the BAC's. Both of these consider the other mutually excludable. Apocalyptic predictions are so common in the world of religions that we really can't lump together everybody who is teaching that the world is going to end and they will be the only ones saved. Even within the American sects, for instance, you can't associate the Southern Baptists with the Seventh Day Adventists, but both are waiting for the approaching Apocalypse. Remember Mel Gibson's little project about the Mayan underworld, etc.? The ancient Maya described the final destruction of the world in terms similar to Revelations in some ways; does that mean we can lump the Quiche Maya with the Jehovah's Witnesses for that reason? Nope, I think the BACs are a separate species, not really denominational. A species which can't even agree amongst themselves on all the terms and definitions.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS) or Mormons, if you will, believes that if your are baptized in abstencia you will be a minor part of their church.
My X-Wife told me after 2 days of marrage that we were mormons and the classes would begin when we returned home. I was shocked and dismayed. She had gone so far as to join my church and even work with a Baptist Outreach as a counselor in the family ministry. I asked her where this came from ( I had known this woman for 20 years at this point and was still feeling shocked.)
She went on to say that my overly simplistic view of religon was based on the myth of the risen Christ and that Jesus came over to this side of the pond when he rose ( sounds contraditory, huh?). Then why are most Native American beliefs multithiestic and nature-based? One would assume that after his ministry in the Middle East he would have had some sucess over here. There's no evidence that He was here. Only the text that Joseph Smith wrote, and that is highly questionable. :ipray:
Lucky you, Fargon! That must have been quite the shock! "Honey, we're Mormon!" Yeah, that's why Mormons are so into genealogy. They wanna baptize their dead ancestors and save them. Always sounded kind of selfish to me. If that's what they really believe, why not hold a single huge baptismal ceremoney for all who have gone before us? They could have a big whoop te do over it in the Tabernacle at Salt Lake!
Tonchi, my argument is more along the lines of devout Mormons, BAC's, and fundamentalist Muslims, among many others, sharing the same closed mind set. I'm talking about a sort of xenophobic "us vs. the rest of the world" mentality that leads to closed mindedness and religous intolerance. Certainly, they all have different theologies, but those theologies all lead to the same outlook.
While I want the entire world to embrace Jesus as Lord and Savior, I know that will not happen. I just don't like the way some people try to ram their belifes and religious practises down your throat, Then get mad when you decline the offer. All I can do is show the information and let you decide what you want to do.
When my uncle finally got sucked under after more than 50 years of fighting off his wife's Mormon relatives, he started collecting all the names and dates so he could take them to the temple and get his brownie points. He's now baptised my dead grandfather as Mormon but rather balked at accepting my grandmother who was the second wife and thus not really related to him. I suspect my cousins already grabbed Granddad long ago anyway, but my uncle has to follow orders so he does. There will be no further inroads into this generation, however, because I told the momster to pass on the word to him that if they try to do that to me after I can't fight back I will leave a letter to the temple with my lawyer that states I spit on their cult and all its phoney rituals. My sister feels the same way.
Mari, ALL these devout/orthodox/fanatical/inspired-directly-by-God religions form themselves into a closed society. (Nice article about the Lubavitch Jewish sect in the latest National Geographic, BTW) They weave this exclusivity into all kinds of declarations about the coming Apocalyse, which no doubt will come SOME day, but not because they had any inside information or can execute a magic formula that will bring it on. The Jehovah's Witnesses already had a major meltdown when their end-of-the-world declarations did not come to pass and the LDS had to do a reversal back in 1898 when Joseph Smith and Jesus decided to skip their Second Coming. Almost every Christian group in existance now or in the past has been left with egg on their faces when they ventured into doomsday predictions. It might be the one good thing you can say about Islam is that they don't go there ;)
While I want the entire world to embrace Jesus as Lord and Savior, I know that will not happen. I just don't like the way some people try to ram their belifes and religious practises down your throat, Then get mad when you decline the offer. All I can do is show the information and let you decide what you want to do.
When someone truly believes that their way to salvation is the only true way, it becomes somewhat of a burden to those people because if they meet someone who doesn't share this belief, then they truly believe this person is going to suffer eternal damnation (fire and brimstone stuff - lucky I like the heat) unless they...blah blah blah.
If you saw someone was about to get run over by a truck, surely your conscience would compell you to warn them not to go there. Evangelicals generally, from my observations, feel the same way about going to hell. If they see someone headed in that direction, their consience will not allow them to sit idly by and allow it to happen.
What does it say backwards?
"There's no escaping it."
When someone truly believes that their way to salvation is the only true way, it becomes somewhat of a burden to those people because if they meet someone who doesn't share this belief, then they truly believe this person is going to suffer eternal damnation (fire and brimstone stuff - lucky I like the heat) unless they...blah blah blah.
If you saw someone was about to get run over by a truck, surely your conscience would compell you to warn them not to go there. Evangelicals generally, from my observations, feel the same way about going to hell. If they see someone headed in that direction, their consience will not allow them to sit idly by and allow it to happen.
I lost a very good friend many years ago because I did not know when to quit and let the Lord take over. While I don't want any body to go to hell, all I can do is present the information and pray for them in private. It is up to them to accept salvation. I just wish more BACs would take the time to read and understand the bible. Forcing people to believe does not work!
I can not let someone get run over by the proverbeable truck, but if they choose to be run over I can't do any thing but cry.
I agree...although if you believe in hell, I'd say that's where I'm going. Someone save my soul!!!
I just had a conversation with someone close to me.
I took the side there are several intelligent bacs, (born agains.)
She held that an intelligent bac is an oxymoron.
Yes or No?
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My question confirmed that no bac will ever reveal he or she would do their best to assist in the herding 13 million Jews into Israel and then assist in anyway possible in the genocide of at least two thirds of the Jews, to bring forth the second coming, period. The rest of this thread is gift-wrapping. Bacs will not deny it and they will not admit it. I take it very seriously, life or death for family, community and myself, in fact. If you like to play ego head games, and impotent macho put downs, enjoy. I got what I came for, again, and again and again.
Spin spin spin away.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
What shall we conclude then? Are we (Jews -- mrnoodle)any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. As it is written:
"There is no one righteous, not even one;
there is no one who understands,
no one who seeks God.
All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one."
"Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit."
"The poison of vipers is on their lips."
"Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness."
"Their feet are swift to shed blood;
ruin and misery mark their ways,
and the way of peace they do not know."
"There is no fear of God before their eyes."
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
I don't know what all this is about herding Jews (it's easy, just open a thrift shop [/rimshot]), but I've never heard of it until now. I even attend the top-secret Christian meetings where we plot world domination.
Perhaps you're referring to the fact that every time Israel turns its back on God, he does something to get its attention again. No one is looking forward to the next occurrence, believe me.