Why didn't Hollywood save New Orleans?
I am just curious as to why we haven't heard anything from the likes of Sean Penn, Babs Streisand, Tim Robbins, Angelina Jolie, George Clooney, and the likes with the situation in New Orleans. They squawked and squawked about how bad the war was and blah, blah, blah, but now that we have a real emergency in our own Nation you don't hear a word from Hollywood. Why aren't the Hollywood Lefties forking over some of that "hard earned" cash they love giving away to foreign nations so much to help Americans? Or is helping out your own nation just not hip enough for their crowd? I don't get it. I mean they didn't even go on television to criticize W. for anything about it. Maybe they kept their mouths shut because if they did say anything people would start asking if they were going to help. I don't know. Something is rotten in New Orleans.
You're out of town and all,
so here.
I watched about 30 mins today. Aaron Neville sang "Amazing Grace", it was beautiful.
More benefits scheduled Mr. Tinfoil. Sheesh. Find something real to be outraged by.
I agree with you, Mr. Gun, that something is rotten in New Orleans, but its someone's grandma sitting in her 5th day of human waste under 100 deg temps, not Streisand's checkbook.
You will be gratified to know that during the live telethon Friday (before the military arrived) rapper Kayne West, of his own brand of tin foil/frustration/horror/rich guilt, ranted emotionally about the dying saying that "Bush hates black people." Maybe you can use that. Enjoy.
Actually, he said Bush doesn't care about Black people.
The stars will arrive after the waters have receded and the shooting stops. Wouldn't want to break a nail. Are those guys packing to move to France yet? They promised!
Edit to add: I don't look to Hollywood for public policy decisionmaking, and I don't look to Washington for acting tips.
What do you look to Washington for?
Thanks for the correction: "doesnt care about".
Like a feather pass, you one-timed it. :)
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Edit to add: I don't look to Hollywood for public policy decisionmaking, and I don't look to Washington for acting tips.
Boy, do you have that backwards. There is more acting and media awareness and spin and selling in Washington DC than there is in Hollywood CA.
You will be gratified to know that during the live telethon Friday (before the military arrived) rapper Kayne West, of his own brand of tin foil/frustration/horror/rich guilt, ranted emotionally about the dying saying that "Bush hates black people."
Maybe he does. Maybe he does not. But based upon the actions and promises of George Jr during this week in New Orleans and Washington DC, can you show me a single fact - a single act - that says he does not hate blacks? Regardless of whether the statement is true or not, bottom line - George Jr did not one act to dispell that hypothesis. George Jr did numerous actions to encourage the "He hates blacks" assumption. #1 on my list is all that food, water, and medicine that was not delivered by Air Force One.
Just the facts. Actions are the bottom line. Show me where George Jr did anything last week to dispell the rumors of racism. Show me. Even Laura Bush went to a Louisiana town that suffered no damage - Lafayette LA. Something about finding a more white town that was not denied food and water for four days? A racist would have done that.
At no time did I say George Jr is racist. But show us one action this last week that can dispell rumors. His actions were what a racist would have done.
And, to reference the original question, Kanye West was speaking between Mike Meyers and Chris Tucker, two Hollywood stars also helping with the telethon.
Fuck, I missed it, but I still want to know what the big hitters are doing. Where is Babs, Robbins, and Penn? Once again with the racecard...enough all ready. I'm sure there are a mixture of people there suffering. As long as people make issues race related America is going to be ugly. And the people mentioned above aren't Hollywood. Please don't call me Mr. Gun...nicotinegun, or gun. I don't like the Mr. or the Sir, people have the tendency to prefix onto my name. Anyhoo, where are they? Why aren't they forking over the cash like they do to foreign nations.
"Kneel before Zod."
What makes you think they aren't?
Tim Robbins
Angelina Jolie
Harry Connick Jr. and Russel Crowe (mov)
Not all of them will be in the news.
Not that it really matters what the celebrities are doing, but don't assume they aren't.
Edit to add: I don't look to Hollywood for public policy decisionmaking, and I don't look to Washington for acting tips.
And where did Reagan fit in your philosophy? Schwarzenegger? Ventura? :lol:
Viggo Mortensen George Jr did numerous actions to encourage the "He hates blacks" assumption. #1 on my list is all that food, water, and medicine that was not delivered by Air Force One.
This racist propaganda is really starting to irritate me.
Don't listed to Jesse Jackson and Keynes. There are white people that are starving and dying, and creoles starving and dying and hispanics and chinese and all kinds of other people dying too.
NEWS FLASH:::
IT'S NOT ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE!!
It's about poor, sick, old and stupid people.
Those come in all flavors.
Please, stop buying into the race issue. It's not there. It's more a class issue.
Just read on the Guardian Unlimited (online version) that vacationing Brits were told, "sorry, find your own way out. We're here for Americans." If that's true---sheesh!
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Originally Posted by tw
George Jr did numerous actions to encourage the "He hates blacks" assumption. #1 on my list is all that food, water, and medicine that was not delivered by Air Force One.
This racist propaganda is really starting to irritate me.
Then don't respond with emotion (ie "irritate me"). Deal with the facts - bluntly. Show me where the president did one action to demonstrate he was not racist. Not one reason exists to believe this is an accusation of racism. To believe otherwise is to take what was posted completely out of context. It is a simple statement. Show me one action by George Jr during this New Orleans disaster that could demonstrate he was not a racist. It is a simple question of logic that requires a simple answer in logic. Show me.
Show me one action by George Jr during this New Orleans disaster that could demonstrate he was not a racist. It is a simple question of logic that requires a simple answer in logic. Show me.
um...he kissed two really attractive and recently washed black girls?
Too easy.
Thomas Jefferson kissed Sally Hemings, too. :eyebrow:
Racism is the simplistic, but passionate, historically based argument. Bye bye blackbird. And I can see how it would sting at bit.
Incompetence or racism? I'm going with incompetence exaserbated by classism and lack of political clout.
What was revealed to me was what living in poverty and/or being elderly during a natural disaster looks like. Desperate. Unfortunatly expendible. The working poor.
Why did it take so long to get the military there?
Should Bush get some blame? He's the CEO after all. He waited too many days, flew in, noted inadequacies and within hours the choppers landed and turned the tide. Why the wait? When Harry Connick can drive right in safely days ealier, why cant a truck of water or a bus? The excuses are so lame.
Glad that James Lee Witt, former kick ass FEMA director that Bush let go, was hired by Gov Blanco to coordinate there. Bet she's wishing she'd gone to the private consultant earlier.
Brown turns out basically to be a lawyer college buddy of Bush's campaign manager with little experience in disaster management. Hey who screened that application! (that's sarcasm)
Why didn't Hollywood save New Orleans ?
I would give one Oscar to GW Bush for his performance in "The fourth day after Hurricane Katrina".
And another Oscar for his shirtsleeves...
I don't know what's this story : "Thomas Jefferson kissed Sally Hemings". Can you help me ?
New Orleans, army, racism and black people remind me of a riot several years ago in the 80's, in... ? Los Angeles ?
Our police minister (Sarkozy, can be GWB's best friend) has recently said he wanted to "use the
Karcher" in the suburbs of Paris (against people !)
I don't know what's this story : "Thomas Jefferson kissed Sally Hemings". Can you help me ?
It is widely known that Thomas Jefferson had a sexual relationship with (and I'm pretty sure children by) one of his slaves, Sally Hemings.
This racist propaganda is really starting to irritate me.
Don't listed to Jesse Jackson and Keynes. There are white people that are starving and dying, and creoles starving and dying and hispanics and chinese and all kinds of other people dying too.
NEWS FLASH:::
IT'S NOT ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE!!
It's about poor, sick, old and stupid people.
Those come in all flavors.
Please, stop buying into the race issue. It's not there. It's more a class issue.
Earth to La La Land. Race and class are still inexticably meshed in today's United States. And just how many white and Chinese people did you see on the evening news awaiting rescue? Hello?
And you brought it up, not me, by the way. But since you mention it... :eyebrow:
Oh, yeah, BTW, if its a class issue that makes it better? HUH? What, the poor deserve to die and the rich get to live? :headshake
TW said: "Show me where the president did one action to demonstrate he was not racist."
"Show me one action by George Jr during this New Orleans disaster that could demonstrate he was not a racist. It is a simple question of logic that requires a simple answer in logic."
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TW, it sounds like you are saying W. has to prove he isn't a racist before he proves he is one. Maybe I am wrong here, but that is what I read. If that is what you are saying, show me one thing that says W. is a racist. And don't give me the typical "he hasn't done anything for black people, blah, blah, blah." I can show you Robert Bird (sp) is a racist. You have to prove you aren't something in order to not be accused of it from the start? Maybe I misunderstood your post. Maybe I'm off the lane here, but what you wrote sounded like that. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I still think the Bush Administration created a machine that can create and manipulate hurricanes and did so in New Orleans to specifically target the black community. That's racist, Man. Can you believe an administration would do that? It's horrible
This is the tw take on it, then, and it's quite familiar because it's been the same refrain for years:
1. Bush had his magic make-everything-better wand, and callously refused to wave it because the people he'd wave it at were black.
2. To show otherwise, you have to prove a negative.
3. If you can't prove a negative, you are deficient in logic.
Sean Penn is on CNN right now, he's down there working in N.O. Although he used most of his CNN airtime criticizing the feds
Hey UT, send them some zuchinnis. ;)
What was revealed to me was what living in poverty and/or being elderly during a natural disaster looks like. Desperate. Unfortunatly expendible. The working poor.
I'm sure a lot were the working poor, but many of them were said to not have the gas money to get out because the evacuation came at the end of the month and their checks come on the 1st and the 3rd. Social Security and welfare?
I have heard the argument that being seperated and end up living in other places may have a good effect in the long run because there were a lot of families that had generation after generation learning to live off the government. One young lady on TV said all she got out with was her babies SS cards and birth certificates...............
This is the tw take on it, then, and it's quite familiar because it's been the same refrain for years:
1. Bush had his magic make-everything-better wand, and callously refused to wave it because the people he'd wave it at were black.
No, but he did have a responsibility to appoint people to head agencies to protect the most vulnerable.
FEMA and Homeland Security appointees should be selected based on skill, not political expediency.
There appear to be three classes of people in his cabinet. The first are competent people that he knows personally and listens to. The second are incompetent people that he knows personally and listens to. The third are competent people that he does not listen to.
The FEMA director sounds like #2. Homeland Security head Chertoff makes me miss Ridge, who as a former governor would have known what was needed. Of course one reason Ridge might have left the job was that he realized that he could not get things done there.
Bush seems very reluctant to fire his friends, no matter how incompetent. it will be interesting to see how he can save Brown and Chertoff from what even he has acknowledged was an 'unsatisfactory' performance.
This really is a 'barn door' administration. They are completely reactive to all threats, from terrorism to infrastructure. Doesn't anyone there practice 'hope for the best, plan for the worst'?
Maybe if someone had mentioned the freezer full of dying embryos somewhere downtown we would have had a faster response. Since each one is a 'life', does that mean we should add 500,000 to the death toll?
TW, it sounds like you are saying W. has to prove he isn't a racist before he proves he is one. Maybe I am wrong here, but that is what I read. If that is what you are saying, show me one thing that says W. is a racist.
That question was posted so that it would test your abilities to think logically. The question implies nothing. The question does not accuse George Jr of being a racist. Clearly the question was intentionally written to test responders. Can you simply answer the question OR do you have personal agendas that would distort the question?
Simply provide an example that George Jr is not a racist. After all, his appointments, promises (lies), and actions clearly left large numbers of blacks dead due to lack of food, water, and rescue. When such failures occur, the top man must fix the management problem immediately or be part of the problem. That being a basic definition of management as defined by William Edward Deming as demonstrated by his famous bead experiment. Even inaction by management is intentional action. And so we again ask, what did George Jr do that demonstrates he is not a racist.
Notice how UT uses his 'aluminum tubes are for WMD' reasoning to twist what TW has asked. I simply asked a simple question. UT attached personal baggage to the question. All I asked was
based upon the actions and promises of George Jr during this week in New Orleans and Washington DC, can you show me a single fact - a single act - that says he does not hate blacks? ... Just the facts. Actions are the bottom line. Show me where George Jr did anything last week to dispell the rumors of racism. Show me.
So far the only logical reply was that he kissed some blacks that were showered, vetted, and carefully screened. George Jr will not go among the refugees of New Orleans. Four letter words from the audience make bad press. IOW the only reply that suggests he is not a racist is a staged photo op.
Answers to that question might be taken forward to other speculations or used to comprehend public reaction. But none of that was asked here. The question was intentionally phrased to expose who could stay logical and who would even attach their emotional baggage to that question as an opportunity to insult. Thank you, UT, for again demonstrating why your logic insisted those aluminum tubes were for WMDs.
I told you that every time you bring up the aluminum tubes again, I would find another place on the Cellar where you were mistaken.
In
this thread, tw blamed the breakup of the space shuttle Columbia on Bush budget cuts for NASA. "George Jr's massive spending cuts imposed on NASA to put money into boondoogles such as the anti-ballistic missile system." However, when pressed, tw could not identify any such budget cuts, and actually failed to reply at all until pushed hard. It turned out there had actually been a 1/2 Billion increase. tw was wrong.
Hey UT, send them some zuchinnis. ;)
They don't want them either.
I warned you about the zukes.
A white man can never prove that he is not a racist. It is automatically assumed, and much like an accusation of child molestation, the taint can never be removed.
FEMA isn't a cabinet-level post.
Well it would appear Mr. Penn's effort was a failure.
update, and then later a success
Ok, technically FEMA is no longer a cabinet level post, having been demoted beneath the Department of Homeland Security.
Heres a nice article on
Destroying FEMAI still think the Bush Administration created a machine that can create and manipulate hurricanes and did so in New Orleans to specifically target the black community. That's racist, Man. Can you believe an administration would do that? It's horrible
I agree with you, it's horrible and technically it's difficult to believe in.
But as an ideology we don't need to believe, but look back at history :
- Nazi's administration planned industrial extermination of Jewish, Tziganes, Blacks, Gays, Disabled...
(Extermination camps were tried by Germans in Africa, in Namibia in 1904 (before Hitler) against the Herero tribe).
(Nazis reached the power democratically)
- French WW2 Vichy administration against Jewish too... Trains were arriving on time.
- Communist administration in URSS (goulags)
- and so many others
I don't say that's what happened in NO.
But some peole are so in lack of humanity that they can imagine the worst against people they feel different.
If they've got the power, the administration they control can realise their crazy ideas, using the most efficient technologies.
A white man can never prove that he is not a racist. It is automatically assumed, and much like an accusation of child molestation, the taint can never be removed.
Well, Wolf I don't know about NEVER, but the tragedy of our country is that Jim Crow is still alive and well, although now mostly underground. My father was 1/2 Cherokee and looked full blooded Cherokee. He did run into prejudice, especially back in the 50's and 60's. I look much like my Swiss Mom, so no problem. But its out there. Believe me, its out there, although getting better.
In the Associated Press's article the black guy has looted a grocery
In AFP'one the two white ones have found bread and soda
In the Associated Press's article the black guy has looted a grocery
In AFP'one the two white ones have found bread and soda
They are different news agencies.
AFP = Agence France-Presse
AP = Associated Press
Learn to read before you spout off "racism" that someone has shown you. It could be that they have different standards for captions. Perhaps one will not sue the word "looter." Just because the guy who I caught breaking into my house was black, I am not racist for calling him a thief.
They are different news agencies.
AFP = Agence France-Presse
AP = Associated Press
Learn to read before you spout off "racism" that someone has shown you. It could be that they have different standards for captions. Perhaps one will not sue the word "looter." Just because the guy who I caught breaking into my house was black, I am not racist for calling him a thief.
Oh, I don't see the French as having any problem with the word "loot," especially on an international story. If anyone was going to be afraid of law suits, it would be the US news agency which used that term in our litigenous society. I think you are being just a bit disengenuous here.
The problem would arise if you call the black guy who broke into your house a thief, but called the white guy who broke in someone who was "borrowing" something. That's what those two news captions illustrate.
I told you that every time you bring up the aluminum tubes again, I would find another place on the Cellar where you were mistaken. ...
However, when pressed, tw could not identify any such budget cuts, and actually failed to reply at all until pushed hard. It turned out there had actually been a 1/2 Billion increase. tw was wrong.
If UT read all of that previous discussion, first the shuttles needed $2.2 billion of upgrades. Second, the ISS was comsuming another $8 billion. So George Jr only gave them $0.5 billion - and UT does not call that a funding increase? Furthermore, Columbia needed a major refurbishment. Therefore Columbia was to be retired rather than spend money. Instead, under George Jr, Columbia was not retired and a minor (considered insufficient) refurbishment was performed. They did not provide the necessary money.
Meanwhile TW never said the Columbia was exclusively a result of George Jr bean counting - as UT misrepresents. Cost cutting was discussed early as a contributing factor. Later posted were the reasons for that disaster from the investigation report:
Both Columbia and Challenger were lost also because of the failure of NASA's organizational system. ... This chapter shows how previous political, budgetary, and policy decisions by leaders at the White House, Congress, and NASA impacted the Space Shuttle Program's structure, culture, and safety system, and how these in turn resulted in flawed decision-making for both accidents.
The explanation is about system effects: how actions taken in one layer of NASA's organizational system impact other layers. History is not just a backdrop or a scene-setter. History is cause. History set the Columbia and Challenger accidents in motion.
Connecting the parts of NASA's organizational system and drawing the parallels with Challenger demonstrate three things. First, despite all the post-Challenger changes at NASA and the agency's notable achievements since, the causes of the institutional failure responsible for Challenger have not been fixed.
Curious. Management failures were responsible for both disasters. Cited by other sources is the lady boss who specifically stopped every engineer attempt to save seven lives.
Ironically, the reason for so many deaths in New Orleans is the same reason for death of seven Columbia astronauts.
Meanwhile, UT started this by taking cheap and insulting shots at TW. My response to his interpretation: a classic example - Pearl Harboring of Iraq by promoting a lie - those alumunim tubes. No way around this fact when one posts insults rather than stick to logical responses.
Original question is easy to answer IF personal biases are kept out. Show me where George Jr is not acting as a racist? Amazing how that is converted by UT into some kind of political statement, instead of a simple question of fact.
Rather than continue with these childish and irrelevant accusations, UT, why not instead answer the original question? Its not difficult to keep your political baggage out of a simple question. Its an easy question to answer. Swallow your personal agenda (don't act like a Fox News reporter) and stick to facts. That is not what you did when you kept hyping those aluminum tubes for a mythical WMD.
Show me where George Jr did anything last week to dispell the rumors of racism. Show me.
It's just not a difficult question. Show me.
Sorry to interrupt your hissy match with UT, but I can't help but be curious, tw. Why do you refer to yourself in the third person as in "Meanwhile TW never said..."? I know that in formal writing it is frowned upon if one uses the first person since it is a given that the writing is done from the author's perpective. However, even if you are attempting to follow the Chicago Manual of Style here in the highly informal cellar, wouldn't you write, "Meanwhile, it was never said..."
I just mention this because everytime you do this it throws me for a moment and I have to go back and check who wrote the post. I'm retarded I know.
OK, carry on!
maybe it's a literary tick.
No, Bush isn't a racist. He's an Ivy League snob that has no use for poor people.
If your Daddy ain't rich, you obviously come from poor genes. ;)
Why do you refer to yourself in the third person as in "Meanwhile TW never said..."?
Does it bother those when it is not done the traditional way? Good. The message is still correct. Make them start thinking ... innovatively.
Meanwhile, this should sound familiar. "I don't post politically correct. I post bluntly." If that means upsetting English teachers by changing perspectives - then good. I have less respect for those who portrary things in terms of phallic symbols and innuendo rather than stating the point bluntly. Instead some people insist mixed perspectives violate English teacher grammar rules. Intolerance.
For reasons I can only speculate, UT replied with a pissing contest rather than answer a simple question. Maybe those mixed perspectives so bother him as to post accordingly? Ask him. Somehow he cannot even answer the simple question without attaching personal bias.
Rather amazing how one can ask a question right at the heart of racism and get a distorted and emotional reply with so much innuendo attached. Or does too much first and third person make people emotionally distraught? One thing we do know – I posted no phallic symbols. If I had intended to say “Fuck you”, I would have said it up front and bluntly – or maybe in 'third person' to only add insult. Such phrases don't provide logical value to the simple question:
Show me where George Jr did anything last week to dispell the rumors of racism.
Apparently the only answer is in a photo op (sometimes called acting) where the people are carefully screened - and not from New Orleans. It is an answer; apparently the only one that anyone can provide. A 'smoking gun' answer would have George Jr personally firing Michael Brown and personally taking charge until another could be found. That is but one example of what a real leader would have done.
Yeah, yeah UT. Bush pays people big bucks for all those nice photo ops, and they're earning their pay. So fucking what? Where was Bush when the Republican party tore the funding for those levee's and pumps down to nothing? Where was he when their brothers and fathers and sons got sent off to Iraq? How come he has consistently cut funds for housing for the disabled and battered women trying to escape with their children away from an abusive environment? Yeah, Mr. Compassion George. Got any more fairy tales for us? :eyebrow:
Does it bother those when it is not done the traditional way? Good. The message is still correct. Make them start thinking ... innovatively.
Meanwhile, this should sound familiar. "I don't post politically correct. I post bluntly." If that means upsetting English teachers by changing perspectives - then good. I have less respect for those who portrary things in terms of phallic symbols and innuendo rather than stating the point bluntly. Instead some people insist mixed perspectives violate English teacher grammar rules. Intolerance.
Nah, I'll tolerate it, tw. Its just an unusual manner of posting and, like I said, it throws me sometimes. Thanks for the explanation.
If I had intended to say “Fuck you”, I would have said it up front and bluntly – or maybe in 'third person' to only add insult.
This cracked me up. In third person, I think you'd have to say "TW will fuck you." :lol:
This really is a 'barn door' administration. They are completely reactive to all threats, from terrorism to infrastructure.
You can't have it that way, nor try and have it both ways, RichLevy: were they completely reactive, they wouldn't have taken the proactive step of going to kill the terrs in their own back yards, but instead have forted up behind our borders.
Turning to the ever-odious TW:
stop demanding that we prove a negative, you rounded and pink ass. That is what you allege will be what satisfies you, as here:
Simply provide an example that George Jr is not a racist.
We're wise to your dishonest little game. You got called on it back on page 2 of the thread, yet you still do it! Are you stupid, or simply evil? You deserve to have your head held under floodwaters -- nice stagnant ones full of corrosive and human waste. Your head will not emerge in especially worse shape from this treatment than the condition in which it entered, you damned ambulatory bad example. Do you live to make your ideas look bad? -- if so, you have succeeded superbly.
Oh, Urbane, you're back. We were so hoping you'd been visiting down in New Orleans. Oh, well. :p
[QUOTE=tw] "Can you simply answer the question OR do you have personal agendas that would distort the question?
Simply provide an example that George Jr is not a racist. And so we again ask, what did George Jr do that demonstrates he is not a racist."
I guess we would have to see the reaction of the administration if something like this occured in a largely white community. We can only guess until that point, or until we see W. in a KKK uniform burning a cross in Condi Rice's front lawn, which I know we will never see, or he frees the slaves, which I know we will also never see because there are none.
We must also take into consideration the environment and how difficult it is to get to the people. Also consider divising a plan that would get food and water to the people without creating a riot. Think of how the people would rush a truck full of food and water.
As far as an agenda, I don't want a situation to be turned into a racial thing without proof. I don't like to see race used as an issue in any case, Black, Brown, White, or otherwise.
[QUOTE=tw] As far as an agenda, I don't want a situation to be turned into a racial thing without proof. I don't like to see race used as an issue in any case, Black, Brown, White, or otherwise.
Your response is admirable. However given that others need something positive or specific to feel otherwise and considering facts of this past week; the race card is being played daily. Look at all those pictures of George Jr on his latest photo shoot in MS, et al. You tell me he is not trying to fix his PR from Friday by challenging the race card. The race card exists no matter what you want because race is part of a first impression AND we all (unfortunately) judge based upon first impressions. First impression from this event - mostly blacks were left in the city to drown and then left for four days without food, water, or medicine.
Considering the facts of New Orleans, the race card was played long ago whether you like it or not. Gossip is only left to decide who played it first. And the list of players does include this president.
There is much credibility to the accusation that such would never have been permitted to happen in Orange County. One could not dispute that. Again, the only question remaining is why? Race, political influence, or money?
At any rate, given answers to the original question, it would be impossible to not have the race card played. Damage has been done. If not a race card, then something else must be to blame. And with spin, they must try to deflect blame away from presidential competance. Clearly not on the list of suspects is mother nature even though spin doctors will try that tactic as well. Something or someone must be blamed. If not the leadership's intellect, then why not racism?
A curious question for students of spin. Notice the only reason given to prove the president not a racist are the staged photo oppurtunities. Like it or not, the race cards are being played even by this White House.
They are different news agencies. AFP = Agence France-Presse, AP = Associated Press
Learn to read before you spout off "racism" that someone has shown you. It could be that they have different standards for captions. Perhaps one will not sue the word "looter." Just because the guy who I caught breaking into my house was black, I am not racist for calling him a thief.
:confused:
I don't like your too emotional answer. :mad:
This subject seems too sensitive for you. Read my message again.
Meanwhile you're right : this example would be stronger if the two captions were written by only one news agency. (AP or AFP, that doesn't matter).
Oh, I don't see the French as having any problem with the word "loot," especially on an international story. If anyone was going to be afraid of law suits, it would be the US news agency which used that term in our litigenous society. I think you are being just a bit disengenuous here.
The problem would arise if you call the black guy who broke into your house a thief, but called the white guy who broke in someone who was "borrowing" something. That's what those two news captions illustrate.
Thank you Marichiko again
A curious question for students of spin. Notice the only reason given to prove the president not a racist are the staged photo oppurtunities. Like it or not, the race cards are being played even by this White House.
When using the metaphor "play the race card" only the first player to play the card can be said to be "playing the card", or the metaphor fails. The first player to play the card was tw.
As usual, I have to say, I dislike being the one to defend W. But to look at the whole big picture and decide that race has anything to do with it is to take the very stupidest of possible criticisms. It's like criticizing Hitler because his mustache was silly.
We could take a timeline of Katrina and suggest what the possible choices and actions would be at each point on the line, and ask who should be making decisions and taking action. Instead we are on this moronic jackoff about race because we want to explore the darkest possible motive in W's heart. Why?
It's self-indulgent, unhelpful and, as Mike Moore found out, unproductive. Like the constant drum beat of "lies" wrt WMD, the public sees through such self-indulgent crapola as name-calling and not truly germane to the real discussions that make things work. (Please, no WMD sidebar, this is just an example.)
You talk about these things instead of having intelligent discussion.
To continue the discussion after the photos is just an attempt to continue to control the agenda and keep it on the self-indulgent crap. I'm not playing after this post, so you will have to play with yourself, t. Control all the agenda you like. Talk amongst yourself.
Lastly, somebody doesn't understand what the upset would be to the process, of setting Air Force One down in the middle of a lawless flooded sector of town so the Pres could get his feet wet pretending to care. Someone may not have heard that it was discussed and there was a rational decision made about that. It would interrupt everything else that is happening on the ground in that area, just to get the shots that tw wants. Frankly I would rather have him hugging people in the safe zone for a day. I guess I'm racist.
[QUOTE=bargalunan]:
Meanwhile you're right : this example would be stronger if the two captions were written by only one news agency. (AP or AFP, that doesn't matter).
That is all I wanted to hear. I meant one will not "use" the word looter, not sue. It is a typo - I am sorry.
Salt Lake Tribune
Not long after some 1,000 firefighters sat down for eight hours of training, the whispering began: "What are we doing here?"
...
Many of the firefighters, assembled from Utah and throughout the United States by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, thought they were going to be deployed as emergency workers.
Instead, they have learned they are going to be community-relations officers for FEMA, shuffled throughout the Gulf Coast region to disseminate fliers and a phone number: 1-800-621-FEMA.
...
But as specific orders began arriving to the firefighters in Atlanta, a team of 50 Monday morning quickly was ushered onto a flight headed for Louisiana. The crew's first assignment: to stand beside President Bush as he tours devastated areas.
Is that Hollywood enough for you?
Ok, I'm back, and it seems that the catastrophe in my back yard has sparked some tremendously high-brow discussion.
To simplify...
New Orleans is approximately 65% black, most of them are poor.
Poor people have reduced access to resources.
Reduced access to resources reduces your survivability in a catastrophe.
Blacks are over represented in the body count.
It's not rocket science, and it's not just the white man's fault.
I welcome any aid the Hollywoodites can provide, but money is only a short term panacea.
When using the metaphor "play the race card" only the first player to play the card can be said to be "playing the card", or the metaphor fails. The first player to play the card was tw.
Again, UT, you want a pissy fight because you cannot tell the difference between 1) accusations of racism based in emotion VERSES 2) the politics of spin using the race card. The first is what you are doing to promote a pissy fight. I don't know why. Others sometimes blame this type of reactions on not getting laid. The second is pure logic: how politicians could play the spin game to cast blame elsewhere - to even prosper politically. Based upon how the administration and FEMA reacted, the race card has to be played. The games of politics dictate it.
The first demonstrates that UT cannot separate his emotions from a logical discussion. The second is about what people like Karl Rove are experts at accomplishing. The second interpretation is how a UT would have posted without emotional outbursts and insults.
The question was simple.
Show me where George Jr did anything last week to dispell the rumors of racism.
The answer was simple. The only examples provided are staged press photo opportunities. However UT has made numerous assumptions to add more to that question and start a pissy fight.
The point was to step slowly towards discussing the game that Karl Rove, et al will play. Slowly because so many people will attach personal baggage; modify the question before answering it. UT does that repeatedly here. Somehow UT wants to turn this into a race war rather than point out how the spin game is being played. This 'reading only what you want to read' problem is why I slowly stepped towards the point. It demonstrates how some cannot just read a question without taking that question out of context.
Meanwhile one paragraph in the very first post said I did not believe the President was racist. That little paragraph put there to keep UT types from starting a pissy fight. The question was never about a racist president. The question was 100% about perception and how politics will be played. UT could not keep 'pissy' emotions out of a logical discussion. And that is a shame.
UT cannot see the difference between playing the race card - a political game - verses outright pissy accusations of promoting racism. His pictures demonstrate how a politician would 'play the race card' - to stay ahead of racist accusations. Especially since George Jr's poor PR performance on Friday left him exposed to accusations of racism. Somehow UT thinks those pictures prove everything we need to know. And so UT gets pissy when I suggest a bigger picture behind those pictures.
I am suggesting a logical response that spin doctors are performing. Somehow UT has that confused with outright accusations of racism. If that were true, then this paragraph (that he did not read) would not have been in the very first post
At no time did I say George Jr is racist. You would never know that from UT's repsonses. But show us one action this last week that can dispell rumors. George Jr's actions this past week are what a racist would have done.
There remains a big difference between what I have posted and what UT is accusing me of. He is reading his own biases into the original question and the following discussion. I am demonstrating why some people, such as UT, can be so taken by spin. Why those spin doctors are so successful. And what I suspect they are doing this minute.
It's not rocket science, and it's not just the white man's fault.
But would the "white man" have reacted differently if it was po' white trash left behind in NO? That's the only question that's relevant to this race issue.
The only
real question is was this a colossal cock-up by the Powers That Be?
The answer is left as an exercise to the student.
Before the discussion goes any further...we're all very happy that you are alright, TS. How did you and yours fare? Home damaged? Impact on your employment? Etc?
No cards, I'll just report some more unfortunate statements.
Former first lady Barbara Bush on visiting Refugees/evacuees/survivors in the Houston Astrodome remarked to reporters:
"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this (she chuckled slightly)--this is working very well for them."
Maybe the people in NOLA are poor because it's a welfare city that encourages hanging from the govt teat over getting a damn job. Look it up.
/generalization
Right, tw, and similarly, I didn't say you were a moron, I just said your discussion makes you seem like one. Then you got all emotional and it took you 8 paragraphs to get over it. Calm down lad, you'll burst a blood vessel trying to run this weird hidden agenda of yours.
Right, tw, and similarly, I didn't say you were a moron, I just said your discussion makes you seem like one. Then you got all emotional and it took you 8 paragraphs to get over it. Calm down lad, you'll burst a blood vessel trying to run this weird hidden agenda of yours.
UT, you are using the same logic that you used to promote the "Mission Accomplished" war and the myths about those aluminum tubes. Again, you miss the entire topic to instead post insults. Not a single useful fact; just insults. What so changed in you from 10+ years ago? Those are eight plus paragraphs trying to get you back to the subject. Instead you only want to insult?
The topic of the thread, is "Why didn't Hollywood save New Orleans?" You don't get to set the topic, you don't own the agenda, you and I are just players at the table. You didn't establish any facts with your silly racism question either; you only wanted to post insults within a frame of your own hidden agenda.
Now, I told you that every time you bring up the aluminum tubes again, I would find another place on the Cellar where you were mistaken.
In
this post, you said:
Sharon knows nothing of the kind. Clearly you don't know the man who as Brigader General lead Israeli divisions into daring missions to take Sinai from Egypt, from nearly bringing the US and USSR into direct nuclear war (the closest the world ever came to nuclear war) in direct and intentional disregard of UN and international agreements, from invading Lebanon even in contadiction to order from both his Prime Minister and Pres Reagan, ....
Sharon has only one objective - taking land for the greater glory of Zionism. He has no change of heart. As a shrewd general, he is simply changing tactics again. The strategic objective has never changed. Changed again is the tactical objective - and how that campaign is portrayed to us.
Sharon remembers with grea personal shame that the Israeli Army forcefully removed Israeli settlement from Sinai. Likud has promised that national disgrace will never happen again. As long a Sharon and Lukid are in power, all tactics are for the conquest of occupied territories - ethnic cleansing of the land.
Until you can say - with Israeli settlement building foundations actually being removed - that right wing extremist Israelis have given up their ambitions - only then is that a reasonable speculation. For as long as any of us have understood world politics, it has always been the objective of right wing extremist Israelis to ethnic cleans the land they regard as theirs - as god has decreed.
Now that Sharon has defied his own political party to withdraw unilaterally from Gaza, wouldn't you have to agree that either your characterization of the man was too extreme, or your understanding of the situation was faulty?
Now that Sharon has defied his own political party to withdraw unilaterally from Gaza, wouldn't you have to agree that either your characterization of the man was too extreme, or your understanding of the situation was faulty?
UT obviously can't separate emotion from his arguments or he would realize [1,297 words] 7 minutes.... [848 words] mental midget... [78 words] 98% of all problems are... [1936 words] because of christian extremists... [738 words] where is Bin Laden?
just trying to save TW some time and UT some bandwidth.
just trying to save TW some time and UT some bandwidth.
You are obviously making excellent and efficient use of your reduced access to The Cellar.
This is what I'm getting from all this: If W. helps Black people he's doing it for spin and he's a racist. If he doesn't do anything to specifically help black people he is a racist. So, either way W. is a racist? Is that correct?
Now, we must focus on the issue at hand, Gentlemen. Hollywood is always so quick to jump on helping other countries out of a jam. Additionally, many Hollywood actors are quick to place blame on our government while doing so. So why weren't they there on the drop of a hat when all this started to begin with? Do these actors have to wait for political motivation to do what they do? It appears that they waited until the Political bullshit started hitting the fan until any of the big hitters came into play. Of course, I could be wrong. I am limited on news sources.
So why weren't they there on the drop of a hat when all this started to begin with?
Why do you think they weren't?
I'm asking the fucking questions around here!
If I had to guess, I would say initially there was nothing political so they had no reason to become involved. It was just a hurricane and people were dying. As time passed, an opportunity to assault the administration presented itself while at the same time providing them with the opportunity to make themselves look the part of the hero. That is just my guess though.
BTW, Monkey, one of my favorite SNL skits is "Toilet Monkey-Monkey Hate Clean"
... or he would realize [1,297 words] 7 minutes.... [848 words] mental midget... [78 words] 98% of all problems are... [1936 words] because of christian extremists... [738 words] where is Bin Laden?
Classic example of a useful post - it provides the numbers.
Why do you think they weren't?
Sean Penn brought his personal photographer and an entourage of golf clappers to watch him paddle a leaky boat full of equipment (no room for ppl) around. That kind of thing takes organization -- I don't blame him for being a couple hours late to the party. Plus, getting to where the news cameras are takes some doing, too. What's the point of helping if the world doesn't see you doing it, really?
I'm frankly more concerned and enraged by the preventable death and misery caused by the late arrival of FEMA's "arc of relief" and the lack of urgent, powerful federal response, than Sean Penn's relief efforts. He's a private citizen. I'm not paying Sean Penn's salary and not requiring his accountability.
What's the point of helping if the world doesn't see you doing it, really?
Maybe if the news cameras aren't there, people like NICOTINEGUN will assume they aren't doing anything, and accuse them of hypocracy.
So the point is about whether their effort is validated, not whether they actually help the situation.
But warch is right, it's not about private citizens attention-whoring. It's about the government's response. And FEMA has responded poorly, probably costing lives. But while we're casting blame (which started almost before the first body was pulled out of the water), let's give a portion to the obstructionists. They initially denounced FEMA as an evil Republican police-state tool designed solely to bug the phones of homosexuals under the guise of protecting us from Martian attack. These are the same people wondering why FEMA isn't wielding more power now.
I'm asking the fucking questions around here!--snip--
Really? Then you should post them
over here, where your language would fit in better.
Or, if you're just showing your frustration at not getting the answer you expected, perhaps you could ease your discomfort by signing off.
Or, I could send you a tape of the Oprah episode I watched last night. Zero political content, 100% heart rending drama. "Hollywood" people, dressed in non-fancy clothes loading trucks (along with and indistinguishable from numerous other non celebrites), and handing out food in some kind of soup line, and doing what celebrities do best: drawing attention to themselves. And in the process, drawing attention to what they want to say or show. But precious little of what I've seen has been needlessly political.
Or, if you're using a semi-silly question to stir the shit and babble on according to your own agenda, then the answers to your inquiries are largely irrelevant. Which is how I treat the large majority of your posts, based on your tone.
So the point is about whether their effort is validated, not whether they actually help the situation.
No, the point is that NICOTINEGUN has no idea about who has done what, except for the ones the press chooses to cover. I could just as easily ask why he hasn't donated to the Red Cross.
But warch is right, it's not about private citizens attention-whoring. It's about the government's response.
Exactly.
let's give a portion to the obstructionists. They initially denounced FEMA as an evil Republican police-state tool designed solely to bug the phones of homosexuals under the guise of protecting us from Martian attack. These are the same people wondering why FEMA isn't wielding more power now.
What the hell are you talking about? FEMA isn't Homeland Security. It's a preexisting agency that was partially dismantled when it was merged with Homeland Security.
USA struck by another hurricane : Céline Dion
All my prayers are for you :(
She already sank the Titanic !
Sean Penn brought his personal photographer and an entourage of golf clappers to watch him paddle a leaky boat full of equipment (no room for ppl) around.
Sean Penn is in the entertainment business. Therefore he did good. Are you not entertained?
USA struck by another hurricane : Céline Dion
All my prayers are for you :(
She already sank the Titanic !
LMAO, bargalunan! You know, you're OK for a foreigner! :lol2:
I've got the Titanic beat......only 400 women went down on the Titanic. :headshake
PFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!! :lol:
FEMA's "arc of relief"
Why do I think that "arc" might just be more like a yellow stream?
Sale on asbestos undies in aisle 5!!!!
I somehow doubt a US president would be so blatantly racist- even icky thicky Dubya isn't THAT stupid.
if anything Kanye West and his celebrity ilk are more to blame- why didn't he hire a fleet of water tankers and stretch Hummers filled with food, gather up all of his hood-mates, and race down there to help out? No, he got on TV in his fancy duds, with all of his buds, and flamed the Pres from nice, safe SoCal. Typical. The only person more hypocritical is Bono. We pay these people millions to stand in front of cameras, freak out when one of them goes to a movie premiere, then expect them to not puff up for the media, roll up their sleeves and go help out the little guy. Yeah, right.
Maybe if the media didn't have an audience of no-minds eagerly awaiting the next pearl of wisdom from Rocket Scientologist Tom Cruise, or Julia Roberts, these idjits woud be forced to go lend a hand in person to get airtime.
PS- I am Canadian, and I have to say that we should eject Celine over the Atlantic. What a maroon. Did someone let her go out again without her Prozac???????
even icky thicky Dubya isn't THAT stupid.
People keep saying that...and he keeps proving them wrong. :headshake
[QUOTE=BigV]Or, if you're just showing your frustration at not getting the answer you expected, perhaps you could ease your discomfort by signing off.
V are you really this anal? I see you dont' respond to humor at all. There is no discomfort, thank you. Stop being such an Anal Andy and smile.
[QUOTE=HappyMonkey]No, the point is that NICOTINEGUN has no idea about who has done what, except for the ones the press chooses to cover. I could just as easily ask why he hasn't donated to the Red Cross.
Okay, I'll spell it out for you Mr. Monkey: don't go on national television and talk about how the U.S. needs to do this and that for this country and that country and bash the administration and then do nothing when something happens in your own country.
My problem is not with rich people who do nothing. My problem is with these rich people that chomp at the bit when something in another country happens and they organize media campaigns bashing the administration, but then they don't say a word when something happens here until it becomes political.
I feel for all those people. I think more should have been done, but you didnt' hear a peep from Hollywierd until it became a political/racial thing. That is the issue.
Wha...? :mg:
Say, can I be resident vice-president? I am fully prepared to pick up the reins of power whenever your modem goes down.
Just a thought.
I am Canadian, and I have to say that we should eject Celine over the Atlantic.
Don't joke about such a serious topic. I live over the Atlantic !
I liiiiiiiike Bono's songs. :biggrin:
In the name of love, Van Diemen's land, I still haven't found what I'm looking for (gospel one)...
I think he's famous enough and has nothing to prove. I feel him sincere when he involves himself in a humanitarian purpose.
Okay, I'll spell it out for you Mr. Monkey: don't go on national television and talk about how the U.S. needs to do this and that for this country and that country and bash the administration and then do nothing when something happens in your own country.
You have no idea when or what they did.
FEMA is :tinfoil: scarier than Homeland Security.
After watching the video at the bottom of
this site, I may agree. Cutting communication lines? Turning aid away? WTF?
Senior Gun obviously didnt see the GIGANTIC Documented, internationally broadcast ('cept in the mideast apparently)shocking, awing truth that in New Orleans, celebrity crooner and comic actor Harry Connick Jr. responded more quickly and effectively last Thurdsay than FEMA and the red cross.
Gun has not seen the level of aid and fundraising that's occured from individual, corporations and yes, big liberal celebrities.
So his outrage is lame.
I will say this about Kanye- He made his statement on Friday, the day that the federal response began to kick in. Correct or not, given the horror and emotion of the preceeding 5 days, I can see how he would form his opinion.
The Red Cross was ready with food and water on pallets almost immediately. The Louisiana Dept. of Homeland Security -- a
state version, not the feds -- told them they couldn't bring it to the Superdome or convention center. Why? They didn't want to create 'magnets' out of those places.
Source:
The vast right wing conspiracy
Ooops, bet the left didn't mean for that to get out.
It would interrupt everything else that is happening on the ground in that area, just to get the shots that tw wants. Frankly I would rather have him hugging people in the safe zone for a day. I guess I'm racist.
Well, UT, if TW ever missed an opportunity to demonstrate he's an ass, or Marichiko that she's an assistant one, it was likely because their servers were down. What a pair of unspeakables.
The Red Cross was ready with food and water on pallets almost immediately. The Louisiana Dept. of Homeland Security -- a state version, not the feds -- told them they couldn't bring it to the Superdome or convention center. Why? They didn't want to create 'magnets' out of those places.
That seems to be a recurring theme across the board. No aid should be given because it might attract people to use it. Like the C-130s full of food for airdrops that remain grounded because they think dropping the food will cause riots.
Well, UT, if TW ever missed an opportunity to demonstrate he's an ass, or Marichiko that she's an assistant one, it was likely because their servers were down. What a pair of unspeakables.
Clarification: Sir, I am no assistant ass, I am an ass.
Thank you. :eyebrow:
marichiko, if I may?
Dost thou not suspect my place? Dost thou not suspect my years? O that he were here to write me down an ass! But masters, remember that I am an ass. Though it be not written down, yet forget not that I am an ass. No, thou villain, thou art full of piety, as shall be proved upon thee by good witness. I am a wise fellow, and which is more, an officer, and which is more, a householder, and which is more, as pretty a piece of flesh as any is in Messina, and one that knows the law, go to . . . and one that hath two gowns, and everything handsome about him. Bring him away. O that I had been writ down an ass! (Much Ado About Nothing; IV.ii.67–78)
The long version, given UG's demonstrated affinity for the language.
(I, however am merely the ass pro tempore.)
Read about
the real asses here.
Unfortunately, our sinking feeling (along with the sinking City) was correct. Just as dusk set in, a Gretna Sheriff showed up, jumped out of his patrol vehicle, aimed his gun at our faces, screaming, "Get off the fucking freeway". A helicopter arrived and used the wind from its blades to blow away our flimsy structures. As we retreated, the sheriff loaded up his truck with our food and water.
Wow! Great link, HM! What an appalling story written by two visitors to New Orleans. How damning are their words. Enough said.
Purhaps this has already been addressed in this thread, so I'll just reiterate the obvious.
Why didn't Hollywood save NO, or better put why did it take Hollywood so long to save NO? Becuase it took them that long to figure out how to capitalize on this disaster. Any celebrity worth their weight in helping would be better doing it on the sly. When you drag a shit-load of cameras, and production crews with you, your efforts become suspect and smacks of self-promotional material. It happens all the time. Being a celebrity is a desease. They need the spotlight. If they want to truely help, shut the cameras off, push the producers out of the boat and pack it full of food and water. Right now everyone is cashing in on this situation from Richard Simmons, Sean Penn, to President bush and Channey.
Historical story of interest:
One late night a fire broke out on the Paramount back lot. William Shatner was first on the scene. Seeing the fire, he rushed to a phone. Only he wasn't calling the studio fire deparment, but his publicist and a photographer. When they arrived, he then called the studio FD and then lent a hand putting out the fire. Lots of good pub shots of him fighting the fire along side the professionals. The building/set invovled in the fire was a complete loss btw. That's it in a nut shell.
[QUOTE=BigV]Or, if you're just showing your frustration at not getting the answer you expected, perhaps you could ease your discomfort by signing off.
V are you really this anal? I see you dont' respond to humor at all. There is no discomfort, thank you. Stop being such an Anal Andy and smile.
In <strike>1964</strike> 2005, <strike>Justice Potter Stewart</strike> Dwellar BigV tried to explain "hard-core" , <strike>pornography</strike> humor, or what is <strike>obscene</strike> funny, by saying, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced . . . [ b]ut I know it when I see it . . . "
This quote, and the intent behind it, is well known as summarizing the irony and difficulty in trying to define <strike>obscenity</strike> humor. For at least <strike>fifty</strike> five years, the <strike>Supreme Court</strike> cellar has been struggling with defining what speech is <strike>"obscene"</strike> funny.
I'll laugh when I see it. Otherwise, laughing at your posts is just mean.
Emphasis mine, edited for clarity.
Any celebrity worth their weight in helping would be better doing it on the sly.
Exactly. The only ones you hear about are the ones who did have media coverage. But asking why Hollywood in general didn't respond before FEMA did is like me asking why Hobbs and NICOTINEGUN haven't contributed to the Red Cross.
Cutting communication lines? Turning aid away? WTF?
Cutting communications lines is why I have been asking, "Why?" for so long. The only logical reason I can find is that the Sheriff of Jefferson Parish was getting relief and rescue organized himself because FEMA was doing nothing for three days. For example, a private citizen organized a flotilla of 500 shallow water boats per a request directly from the Jefferson parish sheriff. The NYPD arrived with something like 400 officers - again on a direct request from the Jefferson Parish sheriff. FEMAs actions to stop 'third party' requests may have been s to cut the communication lines from Jefferson Parish. This would be consistent with the attitude and competence of Michael Brown, Director of FEMA. Michael Brown is a benchmark example of political appointees by management that has not a clue.
What is woefully obvious in the Thursday night Ted Koppel interview was that FEMA was still planning rescue and relief operations. Planning - not executing. Why FEMA would cut communications cables? Maybe because Brownie assumed he could do it and not get blamed. After all, Michael Brown - "Brownie" - is George Jr's man.
That seems to be a recurring theme across the board. No aid should be given because it might attract people to use it. Like the C-130s full of food for airdrops that remain grounded because they think dropping the food will cause riots.
More
refusal of individual assistance.
Ooops, bet the left didn't mean for that to get out.
Speaking from proudly, deeply in the left, I want it ALL out. To recycle a quote, Bring it ON! Lets learn where the mayor screwed up, what the governor did wrong, where the other government employees failed to do their jobs adequately. Democrats, republicans, independents, whatever. The only politicians I see calling for an
independent(not lead by members of congress or fed admin itself) investigation are democrats, I believe Clinton suggested this on his Superdome visit. And there may be a few republicans up for re-election willing to stand up to independent investigation- if you know of any, name them.
But certainly not Bush. He'll investigate himself. That is telling. He doesnt want to play "the blame game". Me neither, I want accountability and to learn how to design a better response for the next natural disaster or god forbid, enemy attack, so that our body count might be less than 10K.
Really, even
Kofi Annan had the guts to accept responsibility for hiring crooks and incompetents.
I also love the idea of blaming 'Hollywood' for not responding fast enough.
1) They have probably done things you have not heard about.
2) If they did something good and publicized it so that you did hear about it, you would of course accuse them of grandstanding.
3) It isn't their f**cking job. It's the job of the lawyer that Bush appointed as head of FEMA, instead of someone with actual disaster management experience.
4)
Is this good enough for you?John Gibson, on O'Reilly, just told somebody he was "unjustly playing the race card." I think he was correct to call the guy on it.
Wow. I just read HM's link on more "refusal of individual assistance". When I heard that the Falls Creek camp was going to be used, I thought "what a great place to stay for a while". Now it sounds like a damn scary place to be. The churches are NOT going to be happy.....
Well it's not Hollywood, but
Williams-Sonoma is helping NOLA with cookbook sales.
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