Al-Qaeda 'blames Blair for bombs'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4745639.stm

And this is why these fuckers just need to go away. Emphasis mine.

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Osama Bin Laden's lieutenant Ayman al-Zawahri has warned London will face more attacks because of Tony Blair's foreign policy decisions.

His comments were made in a videotape which was broadcast on Arab satellite channel al-Jazeera.

The al-Qaeda deputy said: "Blair has brought you destruction to the heart of London, and he will bring more destruction, God willing."

Useless and feeble minds blame others for their own ills and fucked-upedness. These guys are psychos. You don't win with psycho's, you just contain the damage. :(

No, you eliminate the possibility of it.

Unfortunately, that's not politically sound.

I don't think anyone here is going to argue that al-Qaeda is a fun loving group of guys who should be encouraged to do what they please. They don't need to go away so much as they need to be eradicated. They harm their own cause by making such announcements because then those in the West who advocare staying out of the internal affairs of Middle East nations are painted as al-Qaeda sympathizers or wuss's who are giving in to terrorist demands. :eyebrow:

Troubleshooter wrote:

No, you eliminate the possibility of it.

Unfortunately, that's not politically sound.

Or possible.

marichiko wrote:

They harm their own cause by making such announcements because then those in the West who advocare staying out of the internal affairs of Middle East nations are painted as al-Qaeda sympathizers or wuss's who are giving in to terrorist demands.

That doesn't hurt their cause. They want the US to keep stirring stuff up over there.

I don't think it's impossible. I think our hunting fanatics down and killing them in their own backyards will make fanaticism unpopular, as we show the nations that fanaticism and anti-Americanism are the province of losers.

When all of Islam's idiots die on our guns, who is left to Islam but the above-average, the moral, the wise? Let us bend our efforts to provide these idiots with the most profitless and embarrassing deaths as it is within our considerable power to arrange, working every angle from PR to superstition. A pigskin burial may never actually be used, but its threat...

Marichiko, that at least is well said.

Urbane Guerrilla wrote:

...anti-Americanism...

I'm only concerned with americanism as much as I'm concerned with my own safety.

I'm more concerned with enlightenment no matter which border it comes from.

And I'm concerned about when I have kids one day that I'm gonna have to apologize to them for letting the world get so f*cked up

Galloway blames Blair too (video) (really gets going about a third of the way in)

Bullitt wrote:

And I'm concerned about when I have kids one day that I'm gonna have to apologize to them for letting the world get so f*cked up

Well, nationalism can be as much of a religion as any other ideology. I think that is UG's biggest issue.

Good ideas usually end up having something of broader spectrum of appeal As opposed to volume.

Slicing your scalp open every year to show your conviction or being addicted to American Idol goes for the volume crowd.

Urbane Guerrilla wrote:

Let us bend our efforts to provide these idiots with the most profitless and embarrassing deaths as it is within our considerable power to arrange...

Unfortunatly, there is no such thing as a profitless or embarrassing death for these folks. Every death is viewed as martyrdom. Every setback is viewed a victory. It's all how it's spun and it's williness to recieve it as such. IMHO.

Urbane Guerrilla wrote:

A pigskin burial may never actually be used, but its threat...

I'm not sure weather this is urban legend or not, I can't find the article to confirm. I read a story a few years back about a military leader in South America somewhere back in late 1800's. The area was constently having problems with muslim militants. A leader of the local military catured a handful of militants, covered them with pigs blood, humiliated them, and killed all but one of them, who then was let go to run back to the others and tell them of horrors imposed on him. They supposed never to have problems with the militants again. Has anyone else heard of this story?

If it is true, this thing would never work anymore. This sort of behavior only insights and adds to thier cause. IMHO.

Urbane Guerrilla wrote:

...working every angle from PR to superstition.

Start spreading stories that the reason why muslim nations are being invaded or destroyed by floods, earthquakes, etc. is because allah is angry for thier willingness to allow the militants to kill and murder. Eventually, this story will filter to the militants who will in turn put out a video/audio tape explaining that the reason why this is happening is because the mulsim brothers are allowing the apostates and zionsists to inhabit the holyland. That they need to fight on and beat down the Americans and Brits. Again, it's all how it's spun and it's williness to recieve it as such. And again, IMHO.

as we show the nations that fanaticism and anti-Americanism are the province of losers.

you seem to think that America - as we know it - is forever. no nation lasts forever without some drastic changes... democracies have lasted about 200 years. lessee, 1776...[SIZE=1]carry the one...[/SIZE]

Urbane Guerrilla wrote:

I don't think it's impossible. I think our hunting fanatics down and killing them in their own backyards will make fanaticism unpopular, as we show the nations that fanaticism and anti-Americanism are the province of losers.

That depends on how it is done. If it is done in a heavyhanded, bullyish way, it will make fanaticism more popular, as the claims of the terrorists appear to be validated.

Well, there's always the hope to run out of fanatics... :eyebrow:

lookout123 wrote:

... no nation lasts forever without some drastic changes... democracies have lasted about 200 years. lessee, 1776...[SIZE=1]carry the one...[/SIZE]

1787-1776=11 years to the drastic change

Troubleshooter wrote:

Well, there's always the hope to run out of fanatics... :eyebrow:

The problem is that fanaticism is a graduated scale from frothing at the mouth to ultimate serenity. Actions such as an especially heavy handed attack, poor treatment of prisoners, invasion of territory, etc. will move the bar that separates those who take action from those who don't. That's how martyrs work.

Hobbs wrote:

snip~~I'm not sure weather this is urban legend or not, I can't find the article to confirm. I read a story a few years back about a military leader in South America somewhere back in late 1800's. The area was constently having problems with muslim militants. A leader of the local military catured a handful of militants, covered them with pigs blood, humiliated them, and killed all but one of them, who then was let go to run back to the others and tell them of horrors imposed on him. They supposed never to have problems with the militants again. Has anyone else heard of this story?

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Once in U.S. history an episode of Islamic terrorism was very quickly stopped. It happened in the Philippines about 1911, when Gen. John J. Pershing was in command of the garrison. There had been numerous Islamic terrorist attacks, so "Black Jack" told his boys to catch the perps and teach them a lesson.

Forced to dig their own graves, the terrorists were all tied to posts, execution style. The U.S. soldiers then brought in pigs and slaughtered them, rubbing their bullets in the blood and fat. Thus, the terrorists were terrorized; they saw that they would be contaminated with hogs' blood. This would mean that they could not enter Heaven, even if they died as terrorist martyrs.

All but one was shot, their bodies dumped into the grave, and the hog guts dumped atop the bodies. The lone survivor was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp and tell his brethren what happened to the others. This brought a stop to terrorism in the Philippines for the next 50 years.

Breakthechain.org says hogwash.
Snopes says undetermined
Netlore Archive says no.
:headshake

Hobbs wrote:

Start spreading stories that the reason why muslim nations are being invaded or destroyed by floods, earthquakes, etc. is because allah is angry for thier willingness to allow the militants to kill and murder. Eventually, this story will filter to the militants who will in turn put out a video/audio tape explaining that the reason why this is happening is because the mulsim brothers are allowing the apostates and zionists to inhabit the holyland. That they need to fight on and beat down the Americans and Brits. Again, it's all how it's spun and it's williness to recieve it as such. And again, IMHO.

Well said, Hobbs; we need a stronger spin campaign in this general direction. The Muslim brothers also need reminders (as many as necessary, and 1.3 billion reminders should convince even the most mental-blocked of blockheads) that the Jews aren't going to tamely lie down to fulfill any revanchist-genocidal fantasies on anybody's part. The "what we've taken is forever ours" noise bandied about in Muslim extremist circles isn't supported in the history of Islam in any event: they had Iberia for seven centuries, give or take, and they haven't got that peninsula now. The Ottoman Empire tried for Vienna, with a record of considerable success, and they broke at Vienna's walls. The Ottoman wave receded then, and has receded more since. Then of course there's the Mehmet-come-lately nature of their claim to Jerusalem as a city holy to them. I'm not contemptuous of this -- but they are third in line and this should be acknowledged by all fair thinkers.

Urbane Guerrilla wrote:

Well said, Hobbs; we need a stronger spin campaign in this general direction.

Sure we can use a stronger spin campaign. Use their own fears and beliefs on themselves. My point, however, is that there is such anti-Americanism in the Arab nations, that any information that appears to be generated by us will be recieved as lies. Even if the info comes from other sources. Most of the people who are tired of the death and distruction are looking for someone to blame..that's us. One of the things that might be successful is to start quoting the quran (sp?) and placing it out on the local radio/tv airwaves. Start placing the passages that the terroists are using to justify their distruction back into context. I doubt this will work. You believe what you want to believe if you have you mind set in that direction, no matter what you see or hear.

Once in U.S. history an episode of Islamic terrorism was very quickly stopped.

That's one way to do it.

http://denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2003/01/Negotiatingwiththreats.shtml

During the mid-1980's, multiple US citizens were taken hostage in Lebanon by Hezbollah, a terrorist group which received support from Iran and Syria. During this period, three Soviet citizens were taken hostage by Hezbollah for a period of one week. The reason why the Soviet hostages were released promptly was due to a single KGB operation. Within several days of the kidnappings, the KGB seized a leader of the Hezbollah, castrated him, stuffed his testicles into his mouth, shot him in the head and left his corpse at a Hezbollah base with an ominous note that if the hostages were not released immediately more of the same would occur. Although the method by which the KGB carried out the assassination was horrendous, the operation brought about the rapid and safe release of all three Soviet hostages.

I'm not saying, I'm just saying.