Political compass II
If people want to post their
Political Compass scores again now, I promise to graph them again, like I did on
this thread from 2002 which we briefly revisited in January.
The test takes 5 minutes and is interesting. My new numbers:
Economic Left/Right: 1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97
Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69
Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79
Me and Ghandi.
Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.92
-5.8, -6.1.
Let's hear it for representing authoritarianism as a positive! :lol2:
economic L/R -.38
social L/A -1.28
some of the questions (like this one)
Mothers may have careers, but their first duty is to be homemakers.
are difficult to answer. i had to answer yes to it. but if they had a question that said
Fathers may have careers, but their first duty is to their family. i would have answered yes to that as well.
Economic: 1.5
Authoritarian: -4.36
Many of the questions contained assumptions I didn't agree with, so I think it tends to measure me inaccurately.
I think it's amusing that most of the world leaders are all on the authoritarian side of things. Of course they are. They are the authorities. Of course they think they should be able to tell everyone what to do.
I'm almost exactly in the same spot I was back then.
My current numbers...
Economic Left/Right: 7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31
My old numbers...
Economic Left/Right: 7.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.41
Wow that's pretty fickle.
Econ L/R -2.38
Soc Lib/Auth -5.28
I'm creeping towards moderate...previous -2.88 and -6.41
Thanks UT, for renewing this idea. I would like to see a chart with the posted names and numbers. You know what else would be cool, would be to see the old numbers and the new numbers superimposed on each other. I, for one, find my new numbers very different economically, but almost unchanged in the social dimension.
Old Numbers
Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28
New Numbers
Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.49
For your reference,
here is the thread to the previous incarnation. (Not that you couldn't find it, just trying to be helpful :))
admit it, you were just looking for any excuse to post a link. UT put the link in the very first post of this thread... but nooooo BigV has to linklinklinklink. ;)
Economic: 1.5
Authoritarian: -4.36
Many of the questions contained assumptions I didn't agree with, so I think it tends to measure me inaccurately.
As I read the information at the site, the questions are deliberately phrased to induce a decision, not agreement. They're designed to provoke a response, which can then be measured. Hence, the "score" at the end.
As to measuring inaccurately, perhaps. But if we all use the same wrong scale, then the relative differences will be neglible, even if the starting point is wrong compared to an outside source.
admit it, you were just looking for any excuse to post a link. UT put the link in the very first post of this thread... but nooooo BigV has to linklinklinklink. ;)
[size=4]By God, you're right![/size]
l123, you've called me on this before--twice, in fact.
Once
in fun, and once as
a compliment.
I think this reveals a deep insecurity in me. I need to be believed, trusted and by providing the "evidence" (hey, if it wasn't true they wouldn't print it on the internet, right :crazy: ). The links may be a way of pre-empting any criticism.
Either that, or I just didn't read the opening post carefully enough.
or its possible that i just like to ridicule people to compensate for my extremely low self esteem. er, something.
By the way, l123, two more points, (no links). First, thanks for the belly laugh! That was really funny!! Second, your score post with the question that you took issue with, (see, no link, but I could have.{where's the :tongueout-nyah-nyah: smilie?}) I agree with your position. Family first. Seeing the question before I got the the quiz wasn't exactly a "spoiler" but it certainly was an "influencer".
Good Call.
always happy to make another laugh. except in the locker room. the pointing that goes along with the laughing is kind of embarrassing.
Economic Left/Right: 5.13
Authoritarian/Libertarian: 2.97
(old score, in Nov 2002, was 2.50/0.92)
P.S. I read through <strike>some</strike> most of the scores. You horde of raging lefties, you!
Economic Left/Right: 1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26
So far the only one more moderate than me was lookout, which is somewhat surprising to me. Anyway, I had a problem with another question:
"Sex outside of marriage is almost always immoral."
I ultimately answered it as if they meant "pre-marital sex," and not "adultery," but I debated for awhile what they meant.
June 2005:
Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.23
June 2003:
Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.69
March 2002:
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.38
always happy to make another laugh. except in the locker room. the pointing that goes along with the laughing is kind of embarrassing.
Heheheh...
Reminds me an exchange in an episode of Fawlty Towers I watched this weekend:
Basil: (reminiscing with his wife about their relationship during their courtship) "Still, we laughed a lot, didn't we, Sybil?"
Sybil: "Yes, dear. But not at the same time."
rofl!
Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.15
Economic Left/Right: 3.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.74
Gotta like that empty quadrant.
Jebediah, you lefty freak.
It figures that the big lady with the straight jacket is the only authoritarian in the bunch. Give 'em hell Wolf!
Happy Monkey is on his way to anarchist!
Can't find my old numbers.
New numbers
Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72
I guess that means at some point in the future, I may end up in the same camp as most of you.
is anyone else as puzzled (mystified) to see that i'm the centrist of the bunch? i'd have to dig them up, but i don't think my numbers changed too much from last time either.
I'm suprised I didn't rank more "out there" then I did. I'm actually quite moderate.
Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.54
Getting on to twice as libertarian as Radar, fuck yea! Damn, missed the graph.
Old Numbers:
Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.64
If enough ppl add numbers I'll update the graph.
is anyone else as puzzled (mystified) to see that i'm the centrist of the bunch? i'd have to dig them up, but i don't think my numbers changed too much from last time either.
But l123, you're NOT the centrist of this bunch. You're maybe more centrist compared to the general population, but in here you're a 'tool of the state' (taking great care not to violate Godwin's law), with latent tendencies toward economic neutrality. :)
Updated, with arrows showing movement.
I’m with the Dalai Lama, Gandhi, and Nelson Mandela and most other Cellar Dwellars.
Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.33
Here you go UT:
http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/printablegraph.php?ec=-0.75&soc=-1.33
Edit: like a number of other people here I don't like some of the questions, they force you to pick an answer that isn't necessarily appropriate.
That's a big arrow you've got there, wolf.
She's been getting ready for the End of Days.
economic left/right = .63
social libertarian/authoritarian = .56
Dot's in the first square to the NE of the axes.
I have issues with the validity of the questions -- at least half of them didn't give me an option that reflected my true feelings on their subjects.
and as they told me when i said the same thing... we are all being judged by the same questions, so while the results may not be exactly accurate, within the cellar they can accurately represent where we are in relation to each other. er, something.
[SIZE=1]ever have one of those days where things make perfect sense in your head, but you can't quite put it into the printed word? welcome to my life. [/SIZE]
It's a pretty big-ass arrow *I* have too. And look which way it's pointing! Sh*t, I guess I my check to Michael Moore bounced. :(
is anyone else as puzzled (mystified) to see that i'm the centrist of the bunch? i'd have to dig them up, but i don't think my numbers changed too much from last time either.
To answer your question from the other thread, I would have expected you to be on the right side of the chart, and more libertarian. Something like Economic Left/Right 3.0 and Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.0 Probably because you seem to always end up on the conservative side of every debate.
Wolf is right where I expected her to be. I'm surprised that I'm more of a libertarian than Radar. Most of these lefties surrounding me don't surprise me too much.
Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.54
Getting on to twice as libertarian as Radar, fuck yea! Damn, missed the graph.
Old Numbers:
Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.64
Actually no, you're not twice as libertarian as me. Only the lower right quadrant of the scale is libertarian. The lower left are socialists/anarchists. The upper left are socialists/authoritarians...(aka communists). The upper right are right-wing authoritarians (fascists). My numbers put me with the likes of Murray Rothbard, Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman, etc. aka LIBERTARIAN.
Leave it to Radar to make another wonderful interpretation of things.
So you can be either a commie, an anarchist, a fascist or a (sound of trumpets) libertarian.
How wonderfully simple. The point of the test was to define us more broadly than the one-dimensional left/right standard allows for, and it has succeeded! Now there are 4 categories of people! The man's a genius.
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.50 (slightly to the right)
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.03 (more on the libertarian side)
Just about where (I believe) I ended up last time.
Man, Radar would miss a joke if it slapped him in the face and called his mother a whore.
Eco Left/Right -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -5.64
Man, Radar would miss a joke if it slapped him in the face and called his mother a whore.
This is
Greatest Hit-worthy.
I think I ended up in fascist territory because I don't support the decriminalization of drug use and generally uphold the rule of law.
I think the test is indeed skewed.
Nah. I'm just foolin'. I really am a fascist.
speaking of fascists... if you've seen my photos then you know i have a shaved head. i started growing the moustache and goat out a week ago, something i haven't done in a couple of years.
today a guy i have met only twice walks up and asks if i'm racist because i "look alot like that guy from American History X."
you should have seen his face when i replied "yes, as a matter of fact i am. after i'm done having a beer with my good friend _____ (happens to be mexican) I am going to take him outside, spread his mouth on a curb and kick in his skull. If you want to watch you can help me carry his carcass to the nearest oven. how's that sound?"
he was still pale, shaking, and trying to pick up his jaw when i walked away. my mexican friend was still wiping tears from his eyes several hours later.
new numbers
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.62
old numbers
Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.36
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.36
I think I ended up in fascist territory because I don't support the decriminalization of drug use and generally uphold the rule of law.
I think the test is indeed skewed.
Nah. I'm just foolin'. I really am a fascist.
Don't support the de-criminilization of drug use? That's interesting. By what legitimate authority do you think the government has any say in what drugs, foods, medical procedures, etc. people choose?
The government derives it's limited powers from the consent of the governed. This means that government can have no powers that we as individuals don't have to grant to the government.
As an individual, you have no legitimate authority to tell any other person what foods they can eat, medical procedures they may or may not have, or what drugs they can or can't take. The only thing you can do is prevent people from endangering YOU, but not from endangering themselves.
No matter what claims are made, the truth is if a person merely uses drugs, they are not endangering anyone but themselves. If they use drugs and then get behind the wheel of a car, an airplane, etc. or perform surgery, they actually are endangering others. The crime isn't using the drugs, the crime is endangering others.
If you don't have the legitimate power to tell someone else what drugs they may or may not take (and you don't), you may not grant this power to government; nor may a thousand of you, a million of you, or a hundred million of you. You have zero authority to tell anyone what drugs they may or may not take. Zero times a billion is still zero.
To tell another person what they must or must not do with their own body is to claim that you have more ownership of their body than they do.
"Society" is nothing more than a collection of individuals. "Society" has no rights; only individuals do, and the rights of an individual over their own body, minds, and lives supercedes all else including the collective desires of individuals calling themselves "society" or "government".
In otherwords, the U.S. government has no more authority to tell you whether or not you may take drugs, than you do of telling everyone in America they must use crack cocaine everyday.
Didn't you see "Reefer Madness"? If you use drugs, you'll start killing people.
If you don't have the legitimate power to tell someone else what drugs they may or may not take (and you don't), you may not grant this power to government; nor may a thousand of you, a million of you, or a hundred million of you. You have zero authority to tell anyone what drugs they may or may not take. Zero times a billion is still zero.
There's your trouble. I don't believe this statement. It's the sort of thing that sounds nice but doesn't fly.
Here's a simple example. A group of you are going out to dinner. Does any one of you have the right to tell the others where they can eat? No. But the majority will probably have their way. And the dissenters will go along or secede.
I don't know about you, but when I go out with my friends we each order what we want to eat, not what one of the other people tells us to eat. Even if there are 10 people who order the same dish and the other person orders something else, I've never seen the people ask that one person to go.
America is NOT a democracy. The rights of the individual are more important than the desires of millions.
I am intrigued as to why you don't believe my statement. It's like you believe if one person has no money they are poor. But if 1000 people have no money they are wealthy. It seems in your world, 0+0+0+0+0 = 100
Wow...is Radar becoming...*gulp*...kindler and gentler? He doesn't seem as harsh anymore. Man, I guess he just needed that good news about the wifey...
What? You've never been in the situation where you're all standing around trying to decide which restaurant to go to? Sure you each choose off the menu, but that's fine grain. The bigger question is which restaurant to go to. And that's a group decision.
As to the rest, your math analogy is bad. It's not that I have zero power to make decisions like this. I have 1/US Population power. Not much by itself, but a million folks here and million there - pretty soon it adds up.
I'm sorry, but your numbers are wrong. You don't have 1/population power. You have absolutely zero power to tell anyone else what they must or must not eat. You have 0/the population of the earth power over what other people eat.
If every other person on earth voted for what I was going to eat tonight it would be no more legitimate than if I ordered everyone else on earth to eat liver and onions tonight. Your choice of restaurant analogy is flawed at best. We're all already at the same restaurant. And we're all paying the check separately. You don't tell me what to eat or how much I can spend. Neither you, nor the combined population of the earth have any say in what I eat, how much I eat, when I eat, where I eat, etc.
Wow...is Radar becoming...*gulp*...kindler and gentler? He doesn't seem as harsh anymore.
I think its the times man, everyone who isn't up GWs repugnant ass is starting to understand what Radar has been saying all along. 2 outs bottom of the ninth for Lady Liberty, she needs to put up some runs in a hurry.
You haven't addressed what I said at all, Radar. What am I to make of this? Either you purposely misconstrued it for the sake of argument (which is sad) or you haven't understood it (even sadder).
Actually I did address it. In fact I addressed it directly. I showed that you have no point, and you have absolutely no say in where other people eat, what they eat, when they eat, how much they pay, etc. You claimed to have 1/population power, but in fact you have 0/population power. You have absolutely nothing to say in the matter, and you therefore can't grant this power to government. Nor can anyone else on earth. The combined population of the planet earth minus you has no say in what you eat, what drugs you take, etc.
So you've either purposely lied about my not addressing your problem...sad. Or you've totally ignored it....sadder. Or you're too dim to understand it....pathetic.
No. You didn't. Are you telling me you've never gone along with a group of people who all wanted to eat at a particular place when you were not so thrilled about the place?
Person who copies the pathetic - saddest.
"I'm tru wit dis guy"
But dar, that person has the choice not to go out with his friends after all. He does not have to eat where everyone else is eating. It is certainly prudent to do so, but it is still his choice.
Actually I addressed it when I said his analogy was EXTREMELY flawed in the first place. We're all already at the same restaurant (America). We're all paying our checks separately. We all own the restaurant, but not each other. Nobody can tell the others what to order on the menu, how much they can buy, when they can eat, etc.. Nobody can tell the restaurant what foods to have on the menu because it has everything on the menu and the restaurant never closes.
You can not dispute the absolute FACT that we own ourselves (which means nobody else on earth has any claim on us and therefore can't tell us what to eat, or do with our bodies) and that the limited powers of government are derived from the consent of the governed. Since government get's its limited powers from the people, and none of the people has a right to tell the others what they must eat, what medical procedures they may have, what drugs they may take, etc., none of them can grant this power to government.
You can disagree all you like, but it's like disagreeing with gravity. Feel free to tell me gravity does not exist and even step off a cliff, but don't complain to me when you turn into a bloody stain on the ground.
But dar, that person has the choice not to go out with his friends after all. He does not have to eat where everyone else is eating. It is certainly prudent to do so, but it is still his choice.
Certainly. Notice that I did mention secession above. Whether as the southern states attempted to do during the civil war or the individual sort when Vietnam dissenters moved to Canada.
Radar has stated in many colorful ways that groups/governments whatever have no power that individuals don't have. I have yet to see any supportive reasoning.
I gave one counter example. But I can think of more. I bet others can too. Think about the power of unions. They hold a power in the aggregate that an individual worker doesn't have. I'm sure there are more, but noone will ever dissuade Radar. The issue is a fundamental one to libertarianism and I don't think radar can bear to see it questioned.
Don't support the de-criminilization of drug use?
Nope. Unlike most of the people (typically the NORML crowd) I know the really bad down side of what fun drugs can do to you.
Nope. Unlike most of the people (typically the NORML crowd) I know the really bad down side of what fun drugs can do to you.
Yes, but everyone knows the bad side of tobacco, gambling, and alcohol, and still we allow it.
I just think that criminalization and
incarceration is not working. I'm not suggesting crystal meth be sold at Wal-Mart, but for marijuana I'd rather see the same solutions we apply to alcohol. Prohibition isn't working. The crackdown on medical marijuana is an example of how ludicrous the system has become.
The $20-30 it costs to incarcerate someone could treat a larger number of out-patient addicts.
Nope. Unlike most of the people (typically the NORML crowd) I know the really bad down side of what fun drugs can do to you.
That's because you see the failures, day in, day out. What you don't see is the millions of people doing recreational drugs without going to hell in a handbasket. They don't make the news or the institutions unless they get caught. Then they become examples and pay for breaking the law even though the worse thing they did was......break the law.
I've seen what can happen when someone uses a motor vehicle irresponsibly but I wouldn't advocate nobody being allowed to drive. :headshake
Radar has stated in many colorful ways that groups/governments whatever have no power that individuals don't have. I have yet to see any supportive reasoning.
I gave one counter example. But I can think of more. I bet others can too. Think about the power of unions. They hold a power in the aggregate that an individual worker doesn't have. I'm sure there are more, but noone will ever dissuade Radar. The issue is a fundamental one to libertarianism and I don't think radar can bear to see it questioned.
I have no problem with you questioning anything I've said. But you have yet to provide a valid example. I have given absolutely perfect and indisputable reasoning.
If you say that governments can have powers that individuals don't, could you please tell me where you think governments derive their powers from. It can't be from "the people" if it has a power that "the people" don't have as individuals. So by all means, enlighten me. Where do governments get their powers from?
If you want to discuss unions, they have no powers that individuals don't have. They just have a louder voice. They are merely groups of individuals using their indivual voices to send the same message. Do individuals have the right to protest? Yes. Do individuals have the right to tell their employer they want more money? Yes. Do individuals have the right to walk out of their job if they don't get what they want? Yes. Do individuals have the right to bargain and enter into contracts? Yes.
Unions have no powers over and above those of individual people. They are merely a group of people sending the same message so it will be heard more loudly.
Government's on the other hand claim to have powers that individuals don't have. Do individuals have the right to tell other individuals how they may defend themselves when attacked? No. Do individuals have the right to tell other individuals whom they may or may not marry? No. Do individuals have the right to tell other people what medicines they may take? What they may or may not eat? Whether or not they will procreate? No.
So how then do you think government has this power? The founders of this government stated clearly that the limited powers of our government don't come from god, but from the people. The only powers our government has are those that the individuals of this country have to grant to the government.
Your examples are worse than comparing an apple to an orange. It's more like comparing apples to Buicks. You compare a group of people exercising their rights together to a group of people exercising powers that they don't rightfully have. In otherwords, you're claiming that people have no property rights if a large group of thieves decide to steal from them. Nobody has the right to steal from someone else so they can't grant that right to a group of people.
Nope. Unlike most of the people (typically the NORML crowd) I know the really bad down side of what fun drugs can do to you.
I don't think anyone is disputing whether or not drugs are bad for you. That's not the issue. The issue is whether or not government is here to protect us from our own bad decisions and the answer to that is a resounding
HELL NO!
I've seen the good and bad side of drugs personally. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone...(other than ecstacy or marijuana) :) but the fact remains that it's not the place of government to stop people from being stupid. If it were, all the people who voted for Bush would be in prison.
People own themselves, and they own their lives just like they own their property. They can do something great with that property, or they can destroy it. Either way, it's not up to you or anyone else to force them to take any particular course of action unless that person is physically harming or endangering a non-consenting other or their property.
Fast food is very bad for you. Do you think government should ban fast food and arrest people who eat it? :headshake My guess is no. If not, why not? How is it different than telling other people what drugs they may or may not take?
I see where you're coming from, and even if I agree with you in principle, I think that the practical outweighs it on the drug issue.
I've spent a lot of time speculating about life after the legalization of drugs ... of course, this is a very personalized view, and includes the hell my work-life would become if every single goddamn one of those junkies decided they wanted treatment.
Of course, in my perfect world, everybody gets ONE government funded attempt at rehab.
The disease model is thrown out.
A lot of people die of overdoses in the first six months to a year from the WHOO HOO factor, but then it levels off.
Oh, yeah, and they have to develop a breath-a-lyzer for drugs. Even with current laws getting people on DUI for anything other than alcohol is tough.
Economic Left/Right 6.0, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -2.46
Right-Libertarian, bigtime, and not as anarchist as a good many.
one more for ya UT
Economic Left/Right: -2.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.08
I'm not your average whiney, feet-stomping lib college student :D
Here's my first exposure to this sort of quiz, linked to by the
http://www.lp.org
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
...the Libertarians, that is... system seems to be reading the inserted hyperlinks backward.
Took that quiz, and the Libertarians think I'm very Libertarian, at least on those eight or ten questions posed in The World's Smallest Political Quiz. Eighty percent of the Social, one hundred on the Economic. It shows me a bit right of dead-center and so far into the Libertarian quadrant as to be on its upper edge, a couple squares to the right of the point.
I just realized that I am the only one in the upper left quadrant... hmm
Here's what the new guy scored:
Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92
Very much the centrist, Mr. Anon. Well, that ain't stupid.
Economic Left/Right: -8.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31
I'll go start my gulag now...
Economic Left/Right: 3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74
I answered a bit more to the center this time -- for these questions, anyway. 2005 numbers were Economic Left/Right 6.0, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -2.46.
Went over to the National Libertarian Party website again and retook the world's smallest political quiz, which li'l 'bot found that the word that best describes my politics is Libertarian -- 80% libertarian on the Personal questions, 90% on the economic. My dot plot landed far into the upper (Libertarian) quadrant, and over about a square to the right wing.
Numbers like these are why I ignore Radar when he screeches and rants, gets impolitic, and calls names about how I'm not a libertarian, when the truth of the matter is I'm just not his kind of libertarian, and I'm all right with that. I don't share Murray Rothbard's touching faith in anarchy as the solution to the problem, either. Radar forgets there are free minds as well as free markets, and he visibly does not want exposure to opinions that don't match his. Too bad for him.
Bit of a revival... I think we should A.) all take the test again and see where we went, once more, and B.) i wanted to show y'all this... I found it very telling about America's political climate.
Notice how even the 'crazy-libertarian' Ron Paul is still above the line on the authoritarian side.
Meanwhile, my latest score is....
Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.28
(the smaller two dots are where the only other two facebook friends of mine with political compass sit on the graph)
June 2005:
Economic Left/Right: 1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26
January 2008:
Economic Left/Right: 0.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79
Looks like I went lefter, and more libertarian.
economic L/R -.38
social L/A -1.28
some of the questions (like this one) are difficult to answer. i had to answer yes to it. but if they had a question that said Fathers may have careers, but their first duty is to their family. i would have answered yes to that as well.
That is the old and I still feel the same about the phrasing of certain questions.
Here's the new:
Economic Left/Right: 1.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.51
That is the old and I still feel the same about the phrasing of certain questions.
Here's the new:
Economic Left/Right: 1.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.51
There is a similar
personality test used in psychology and career guidance, which does the same thing. It asks vague questions which could be challenged on any number of issues and basically the combination of answers is more important that the reasoning behind the answers.
Example question:
My father was a good man. True False
Depending on if someones father is alive or dead, or if they thought their father was ever a good man, the answer differs depending on how literal they approach the questions. If someone's father is still alive they could put False by objecting to the use of the word 'was'. The test doesn't care specifically about the answer. It combines this with all of the other questions to see if the person is just literal-minded or has an issue with their father. The test works by building a database of similar answers to make assumptions.
I did some Google Research and found
this, a section in the book Organization Man on How to Cheat on Personality Tests. If you are doing a test for yourself (career guidance, political compass, etc), then when you cheat you are cheating yourself. The book believes that if you want the job, you should cheat on the test if necessary. I'm not sure I agree with that.
I noticed they updated the questions to reflect different concerns. It was the darn plastic bottles that did me in. A little more left, a little more authoritarian. Excuse me, but I must leave in order to fast and pray for my soul now.;)
BTW, I sincerely doubt that they were truly able to measure candidates true beliefs by speeches and votes. At some point politicians speeches are tailored towards what the public wants to hear and votes are constrained by what the public and the legislature will accept. These issues might still constrain a president to some small degree, but nowhere near as much. GWB's score on these issues has probably changed dramatically in the past 7 years.
Jan 2008
Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69
June 2005
Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.18
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.05
LOL - that test is really forked up.
There are many questions that were so poorly written, it is impossible to get anything out of it.
Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.54
Think I might wanna join the Columbian rebels.
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.18
Exact same.
Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.64
I'm by Pope Benedict XVI and Mamoud Abbas
I have some issues with some questions, as I know others have... Ok, "I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong." Define support... and how wrong? Ok, if were talking holocaust wrong, I'd doing something against my country. If were talking Iraq War, I'm not going to flee to Canada and stop paying taxes, but I'm going to voice my opposition. But is paying taxes still supporting?
I'm assuming voice support.
I find it amusing that on the graph us leftist libertarians aren't pinkos, we're greenos.:)
BTW, I find it interesting that Clodfobble is moving left-downwards at a (45?) degree angle on the chart while Lookout is moving right-upwards at a similar angle.
I'll leave it to the pundits to decide who's evolving and who's devolving.
The Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.44
BTW, I find it interesting that Clodfobble is moving left-downwards at a (45?) degree angle on the chart while Lookout is moving right-upwards at a similar angle.
I found that pretty funny as well, considering that my political outlook has really mellowed a lot since the last time I took the quiz. My guess is the phrasing plays with my score a bit.
The thing to remember is that the middle 36 blocks (9 per color) are probably not that far off from each other in beliefs. I also suspect that other variables were used to put famous people and politico's in their own little spot.
January 2008:
Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.49
June 2005:
Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.23
June 2003:
Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.69
March 2002:
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.38
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.46
The thing to remember is that the middle 36 blocks (9 per color) are probably not that far off from each other in beliefs. I also suspect that other variables were used to put famous people and politico's in their own little spot.
I'm not to sure about that. Ron Paul is only 1 square down and 3 to the right of Hillary. Maybe the middle 4 or 16, but I think people at opposite ends of a 6-block difference would have dramatically different views.
That being said, the differences matter more if one or both of the parties are authoritarian. Stalin and Hitler did not make good neighbors. Adam Smith and Ghandi would probably have done well, mostly because they would not have been busy trying to impose ideas on each other.
Wolf, Bullitt, and Aimee are the only Cellarites who scored higher than 1.0 on the authoritarian scale. I wonder if a person's job has any relationship to score, either as cause or effect?
You have to admit the questions were written towards the extreme of positions. Yes or no, 1's and 0's. I really do not think it is highly accurate.
You have to admit the questions were written towards the extreme of positions. Yes or no, 1's and 0's. I really do not think it is highly accurate.
That's why most personality tests are over 100 questions. Those 1's and 0's can add up to a good representation, the same way the more 1's and 0's, the more detailed the resolution in an image file.
Look at some of the sample personality tests in the link I provided. Most of them have more questions than Political Compass.
Still, it does provide enough for a rough mapping.
Has anyone taken the Political Compass history exam (
Iconochasms). I scored 25 out of 48.
To paraphrase GWB "History is
hard!"
I scored an embarrassing 21 out of 48.
So much for my wondering what happened to my liberal bearings:
Has anyone taken the Political Compass history exam (Iconochasms). I scored 25 out of 48.
20 out of 48 - ugghh! and I guessed at several that I got correct.
26 out of 48. Mostly by guessing.
January 2008
Economic Left/Right: 8.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.85
June 2005
Economic Left/Right: 5.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.97
November 2002
Economic Left/Right: 2.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.92
The older you get, the righter you go?
You'll be a die-hard fascist at eighty, at this rate...
Economic left/right -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -3.33
Me and Gahndi....OOOOHHHHMMM.
Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.03
I appear to have moved further left.....that ain't right. I am not more left wing now than I was.
I seem to be in line with my moniker ...
Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21
I can't find any of my old ones...
Well there you have it - teh cellar has corrupted my viewpoints.
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.46
Economic Left/Right: 0.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.97
Guess I'm just boring middle-of-the-road....
In the middle of the road,
Is my private cul de sac.
I can't get from the cab to the curb,
Without some little jerk on my back,
Don't harass me kid,
Can't you tell I'm going home, I'm tired as hell,
I'm not the cat I used to be,
I've got a kid, I'm thirty-three baby.
Get in the road.
Come on now,
In the middle of the road.
middle of the road anarchist...
Old Numbers
Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28
New Numbers
Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.49
Economic Left/Right: -5.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.87
2005:
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.36
Today:
Economic Left/Right: -0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00
I seem to be drifting to the center, if you believe the results.
And we welcome you. have some coffee, let's agree on some things.
oh damn, i think i scared him off.;)
Today:
Economic Left/Right: -5.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69
June 2005:
Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.23
... Read More
June 2003:
Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.69
March 2002:
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.38
Here's my political compass...
See? I
am a socialist-anarchist! :D
Economic Left/Right: -9.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31
01-13-2008, 01:42 PM
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.05
Today:
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.82
In the middle of the road,
Is my private cul de sac.
I can't get from the cab to the curb,
Without some little jerk on my back,
Don't harass me kid,
Can't you tell I'm going home, I'm tired as hell,
I'm not the cat I used to be,
I've got a kid, I'm thirty-three baby.
Get in the road.
Come on now,
In the middle of the road.
Down here on the tracks
We're the kings of the trash
I was born in a laundromat
I was born in a cul-de-sac
Some of us are brown
And some of us are white
Just give me some tension release
Just give me some tension release
I took this quiz again and was not surprised at my results, not only because I know I'm pretty liberal but also because I think you'd have to work really hard to get a "middle of the road" chart. I mean, there are no middle of the road questions.
To me, the questions lie on both ends of the extreme, for example:
I think that people who steal bubblegum should be tied to a bee hive, have their eyes stabbed out with an icepick, and their fingers cut off to prevent this unrepentent person, who can never be rehabilitated, from ever menacing society again.
Or:
I think we are all happy butterflies and are free and loved and everyone deserves love and compassion and lollipops.
I mean seriously, what issues did you pick as completely "left and under" that balanced out your extremely "right and over" responses to land so nicely in the middle?
2005:
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.36
Today (9/2008):
Economic Left/Right: -0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00
I seem to be drifting to the center, if you believe the results.
Well Shawnee, I answered as honestly as I could both times. I guess it's possible.
You know my penchant for hyperbole, dar. ;)
There are, of course, differences in agreeing or strongly agreeing. Using my examples, one could think "well, we're not all happy butterflies. Some of us are moths, but the really pretty moths like a Gypsy moth maybe. So I'll answer just 'disagree.'"
I've landed pretty close to the center every time I've taken it. I answered each question with the same views I express in pretty much political thread around here.
There are, of course, differences in agreeing or strongly agreeing.
I think that is the reason. I very seldom go 100% one way or the other on these types of tests. There can always be a reason... or the question (like a survey or poll) is written rather poorly. I end up thinking yeh but. I see merits to both sides more so than some hardcore people at either end. The questions that have All, Every, Ever Never... virtually cannot get a "Strongly ____" answer.
I think I only had maybe 4 or 5 "Strongly_____" answers.
I had a few with just agree or disagree, but for the most part I felt pretty strongly about their strongly worded statements.
Then again, I've never really been middle of the road on anything. It's all or nuttin'! ;)
lol - well there's your answer, Shaw.
Merc - That is totally unreal. Thankfully its April first.
I've always known it. I just can't convince others that it is true because they focus on one aspect of my interests.
Weird. I guess the Cellar is making me more conservative.
Glatt, I am surprised by your result. I would have taken you for more of a left of center. Just goes to show you...
Economic Left/Right: -6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.54
Just call me Gandhi! Save me a seat Merc, because I am in the same boat. People assume I am a conservative right wing whacko because of the majority of my opinions and beliefs on a public level, but deep down I'm just a big compassionate softy who wants what's best for the greater good.
Weird. I guess the Cellar is making me more conservative.
HA HAH AH AHA AHAH AHH HA :eek:
Yeah, well, it is April 1st.;)
I just found it funny that you and Merc switched results.
Actually don't believe it, I took it and sent him my results, he took it and sent his to me! APRIL FOOLS!
[COLOR="LemonChiffon"]not really, they are real results.[/COLOR]
Are you serious? That is really funny. :lol:
I'm glad I didn't go on some rant about the validity of this quiz.
edit: never mind, I just saw the imbisible ink.
ARGHHHHHHHHH
Not much change here.
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.10
Don't think I've changed much.
ETA, I was at -2.88/-4.97 in June 2005. So I'm just as Libertarian, and a little more liberal.
Yknow what would be interesting: we could start a section for PC, where each thread is a voting thread, the votes are the PC settings, the votes are public, the votes can be changed by the voters, and then the discussion is what it is.
I mean, if people were into something like that.
It would really piss a lot of people off.
I'm into discussing things and pissing people off but I'm not sure I understand the mechanics of what you're describing. Can you dumb it down for me some more?
Well, like, under Cellar Meta, maybe, we could have a section called "Political Compass", and in there we could post threads where the subject is each question in the P.C. Like the first one would be
Subject: If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.
Then that thread would have a poll
[LIST]
[*]Strongly Disagree
[*]Disagree
[*]Agree
[*]Strongly Agree
[/LIST]
And when you have a poll in a thread, when you start the poll, you can set up whether the results are visible to all. (Or maybe it'd be more interesting to have it anonymous?)
And can change your vote as long as the poll is OPEN, so we could just leave it open, or maybe leave it open for a while.
And then, there would be discussion, and people would have to like defend their positions, or people would have things they wanted to defend, or encourage others to vote like them
And maybe if it all worked we would post a "Cellar PC" results graphing everybody's final answer and the Cellar's voting result
Either that or there would be such fury that it would lead to the burning of fiber optic cables.
Or maybe people wouldn't give a shit and the thing would limp along until useless. I can't tell.
Yeah, that sounds fun. I was being dumb thinking you wanted a fullon survey that interactively displayed the political compass of the cellar as we argued... however that would work.
yeah, your idea sounds fun. and possible. and fun.
I've pissed off enough people around here, I would be very reluctant to participate.
hmmm. I've wobbled a bit left. Perhaps it's the Vicoden?
April 2009
Economic Left/Right: 7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.79
January 2008
Economic Left/Right: 8.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.85
June 2005
Economic Left/Right: 5.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.97
November 2002
Economic Left/Right: 2.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.92
I wonder where Dr. House would land on this graph. :)
Economic Left/Right: -3.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72
As I have thought about this I may have wobbled left because of the way the questions were worded. A number had extreme statements which made me chose agree or disagree without "strongly". I felt by the end I was reading into the questions and had a very hard time accepting the more extreme statements.
I felt the same way about a lot of the questions. They kind of forced you to choose a bias, by virtue of being extreme, absolute statements.
Me, Gandhi and the Dalai Lama walk into a bar. . .
Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97
I really like the distribution on this forum. It's nice to have so many compatriots, but equally nice to have a balanced viewpoint represented, as well.
I took this quiz again and was not surprised at my results, not only because I know I'm pretty liberal but also because I think you'd have to work really hard to get a "middle of the road" chart. I mean, there are no middle of the road questions.
To me, the questions lie on both ends of the extreme, for example:
I think that people who steal bubblegum should be tied to a bee hive, have their eyes stabbed out with an icepick, and their fingers cut off to prevent this unrepentent person, who can never be rehabilitated, from ever menacing society again.
Or:
I think we are all happy butterflies and are free and loved and everyone deserves love and compassion and lollipops.
I mean seriously, what issues did you pick as completely "left and under" that balanced out your extremely "right and over" responses to land so nicely in the middle?
It didn't really allow you to answer, maybe, or it depends on the situation, or neutral, so it is flawed, like all tests of this type are.
I felt that a lot of the questions really needed an "it depends" option.
yes, because every situation is different.
I hate these things because the questions remind me of the joke from elementary school: "Does your mom know you're gay?"
There is no good answer, and what's worse--you know exactly what extremist position they're trying to pigeon-hole you into.
"I'll try and ask her next time she blows me" might be an effective response. And if you want to start a fight, you might put it "...next time your mom blows me."
Okeydokey, here's where I land this month, anyway.
Economic Left/Right +4.75
Libertarian/Authoritarian -1.13
Which may be why radar keeps telling me I'm not a good Libertarian -- though he does not get around to telling me I'm a good conservative. Not that I'd expect such a narcissist to ever do that.
"I'll try and ask her next time she blows me" might be an effective response.
You're from the south aren't you?
You're from the south aren't you?
That sounds like racial sterotyping to me.
That sounds like racial sterotyping to me.
Well when you respond with incest...
Well when you respond with incest...
You think that is pervasive or regionally a greater problem in the South? If you do that is a sterotyped view without a lot of basis in fact.
You think that is pervasive or regionally a greater problem in the South? If you do that is a sterotyped view without a lot of basis in fact.
If I was in elementary school and asked a kid if his mom knew he was gay and he responded with "I'll try and ask her next time she blows me" I would immediately jump on the incest part of it.
And yes, it is a cultural stereotype to make the incest-> south or incest -> redneck reference to be more exact that has very little if any truth to it.
Please. The incest is a West Virginia thing.
West Virginia: almost heaven. I won't argue that.
I've said that in the states we make fun of the state immediately south of us. For Ohioans, that's Kentucky and West Virginia. You have WV and more options. :)
Just to throw some wood on the fire.
States that allow cousins to marry.
:lol: How sad are you if you can only get your first cousin? :shudders:
Economic Left/Right: -2.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.36
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.46
I just retook it and moved the dot a little up and right, but not by much.
Previous:
http://cellar.org/showpost.php?p=552016&postcount=138
Current:
Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.23
:lol: How sad are you if you can only get your first cousin? :shudders:
Hey, my cousins are mighty purty!
Here's my political compass...
See? I am a socialist-anarchist! :D
Economic Left/Right: -9.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31
New results... Almost the same. Looks like I've become a little more liberal... :D
Economic Left/Right: -9.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.41
Thank goodness for the internet, I would never have picked Sugarpop as a leftie. :right:
Fuck you Zen - You made me spit my coffee all over my keyboard ... AGAIN!
If you fall off of the bottom left side of the chart, does that make you a nihilist?;)
If you fall off of the bottom left side of the chart, does that make you a nihilist?;)
No, just clumsy.
Well... it appears I have moved slightly further left...
Dana, be careful woman, you might fall off the graph. :D
I had a few with just agree or disagree, but for the most part I felt pretty strongly about their strongly worded statements.
Taking this approach, I think I ended up with 5-6 with only agree or disagree - forced myself to go one way or the other. FWIW...
not much of a change from
08-6.12 / -5.64
Getting libruller and less authoritarian with time.
Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.15
Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.67
Jeezus, Spexx, with that libertarian coordinate you could be soooo pro-gun, hence so anticrime and antigenocide...:headshake But nooo, you're not antigenocide or anticrime at all.
The whole mortgage meltdown must have affected me more than I expected. I thought as we get older we get more conservative and Republican.
"They're the salt of the earth. You know, morons."
May 2011
Economic Left/Right: -7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.15
Jan 2008
Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69
June 2005
Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72
June 2003
Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -3.18
Economic Left/Right: -1.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36
I hear yah Rich.
........................03-31-2009, 11:51 PM ...........................................................................................01-13-2008
Here's the old one for comparison (from page 9)
I try to saty out of the politics threads because it is so painful to see so many of you so wrong in your opinions (smirk) however, I am a sucker for a quiz and got lured into this thread.
Here are my stats and where I stand in relation to the heavy hitters.
Economic Left/Right: 0.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.59
I tried it and I'm nearly dead center.
But some question are extremely American (especially those about abortion and/or religion).
And even if I were American, they're particularly pro Christian. I'm an atheist.
I suppose that makes me a nice fat juicy target for Palin's sharpshooters. ;)
I took the original test again and was left of center, libertarian. It was about the same result as before.
I went looking for another test. This one is short and I got the same kind of answer.
http://www.theadvocates.org/quizI don't think the Advocates quiz is any level of accurate for anything. It's really just trying to control the agenda.
I don't think the Advocates quiz is any level of accurate for anything. It's really just trying to control the agenda.
ha ha...sounds like it should have been statement in the absent politics category.
I choose ...[maybe]
I did take a look at this one.
Again it is biaised.
Because if they ever want to meet the objectives, they need a world government with the power to enforce them.
I don't think the Advocates quiz is any level of accurate for anything. It's really just trying to control the agenda.
The questions are quite slanted and heavily loaded, forcing choices between extremes. I doubt any of these tests could pass a more rigorous validity test.
[COLOR="LemonChiffon"],[/COLOR]
The Cellar: National Headquarters of the Libertarian Left
Awesome. Can we have a password and a secret handshake?
The Cellar: National Headquarters of the Libertarian Left
:lol:
Yeah, we're all pretty much the same, ideologically. Snort. I find that reallllllllly hard to believe. ;)
Skewed test or skewed self-perception? I'd say the latter: some of these lib lefts are about as
good old boy right as I've ever seen.
The whole mortgage meltdown must have affected me more than I expected. I thought as we get older we get more conservative and Republican.
"They're the salt of the earth. You know, morons."
May 2011
Economic Left/Right: -7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.15
Jan 2008
Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69
June 2005
Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72
June 2003
Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -3.18
Funny, so much has gone on this year I don't even remember taking the test in May.
December 2011
Economic Left/Right: -5.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59
