Cellar briefly hacked

The entire system was hacked tonight and was down for two hours. It was a defacement hacking. All sites on my server were affected. All are restored. Total down time was 2 hours. The back door they used is a known one and I am to be slapped around because I left it open for a convenience.

So...didja save any screenshots?

Yeah, I saw it 'spode.

I said Saudis Suck or something. I closed the window real fast.

I was IM'ing with my 17yo nephew when I noticed this. The conversation went:

me: uh oh looks like a web site I visit just got pwned
him: ...
him: uhhhh
him: did you just use the word "pwned"???

And so I had to splain to him that even though I seem old and stuffy to the untrained teenage observer, that I do know some interesting things.

It was an amusing moment, though I'm sorry it came at your expense UT.

I can still see the hacked page -____-

I am terminally *un*hip. What the hell does "pwned" mean?

I got it. :eyebrow:

Els: pwned

Elspode wrote:

I am terminally *un*hip. What the hell does "pwned" mean?

A deliberate mispelling of "owned", or "got the better of".

[edit]: What he said.

You know, this is all the fault of those This Is Not Porn dweebs.

Does the gibberish under the photo mean anything in technoslovokian?
Fast clean up UT, above and beyond as usual.

Griff: Roughly translated into english: We completely own this computer and can do what we want, we would like to get laid one day but this is a second best that keeps us going for now.

i wonder if it's "teh 1337 hax0r" who erased his own drive.

Thanks for fixing the login. I was unable to get back on the Cellar after the hack, probably because I don't save my cookies.

Well, there are so many hackers out there. I'm just glad some people are helping us learn to identify them. (Courtesy of my nephew.)

SteveDallas wrote:

Well, there are so many hackers out there. I'm just glad some people are helping us learn to identify them. (Courtesy of my nephew.)

Popular hacker software includes "Comet Cursor", "Bonzi Buddy" and "Flash".

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :lol2:

Top Ten Signs Your Child is a Hacker.

1) Asks you to buy large quantities of Twinkies and Jolt Cola.
2) Brings home a DVD of the next Star Wars movie - 2 years before it's release date.
3) Is able to run his own FBI background checks on potential babysitters.

....

"however, lunix is a capricious beast"

Oh my.

I was also surprised to find my reading list referred to as "hacker manuals." I must have missed some subtext somewhere ...

Surfing about a bit ... it's a shame that this is an archival site only. He spreads much important truth.

Witchcraft

You are Not Irish, They are Not Republicans.

A really tasty recipe.

Actually, I think that the warning at the bottom of the recipe page should be posted on top of every single page of the site.

richlevy wrote:

Thanks for fixing the login. I was unable to get back on the Cellar after the hack, probably because I don't save my cookies.

ditto ... likewise ... etc :)

ok, please tell me that this is satire? please? it is pretty funny, but if that guy is serious, then i am really, really afraid. :worried:

its parody

and its awesome in the extreme

i was laughing my arse off assuming it was a joke, but then it kept going and going and i read his other articles... it is pretty funny.

but then if you read some of the posts and replies to his articles - then you see scary.

I, too, managed to get a taste of going cold turkey. I could not login at all. I managed to work myself into a perfect froth of unhappiness at not being able to login.



I think I could benefit from limiting my time yakking here.





Nah.

I don't know which was funnier...the "article", or the fact that a lot of people didn't know it was satire.

The "article" is way funnier, cause people who don't understand that it is satire, are not funny, they're either ignorant (no bad thing, not everyone cares about computers) ore they do care and they believe it. They're not funny, they're scary.

Oh yeah, funny.
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:worried:

Elspode wrote:

I don't know which was funnier...the "article", or the fact that a lot of people didn't know it was satire.

I didn't realize that it was satire because it was very believable to me that there many people out there as uninformed as the article suggests its author is. Read the letters to the editor in 2600 sometime and you will see what I mean.

Elspode wrote:

I don't know which was funnier...the "article", or the fact that a lot of people didn't know it was satire.

I love it everytime witches get their panties in a bunch over landoverbaptist.com.

People who typically consider themselves educated and sophisticated that can't discern satire and hyperbole (and can't pronounce it, either) really, really worry me.

xoxoxoBruce wrote:

Oh yeah, funny.

"A Modest Proposal".

Also, Larry Niven's organlegging books.

OK, the system was defaced again last night and I tried to set things up quickly on another machine and failed. Doh.

OK, great, and I forgot to re-setup routing to it overnight because I was up late trying to get it fixed.

Sigh.

And yet, the cellar remains accessible. You've considerable resilience, apparently. Get some rest.

RAndom act, or someone like the poet laureate of atlantis getting a shot in for making fun of him?

I think it's a kiddie who has found a back door I wasn't previously aware of. I'm not posting all the details though because that wouldn't be prudent.

wolf wrote:

I love it everytime witches get their panties in a bunch over landoverbaptist.com.

Of course, there's people like Fred Phelps at www.godhatesfags.com who make this sort of thing a bit more ambiguous.

I tried to log in last night after work and got very, very worried when I started getting "Connection refused by" messages ... then I tried tracert'ing and pinging cellar and one of your business servers and got time-outs.

Figured it was one of the little bastids. We're not at another webscalpel anniversary date, are we?

Of course, there's people like Fred Phelps at www.godhatesfags.com who make this sort of thing a bit more ambiguous.

wow......someone needs a blowjob *bad*.

I'm thinking he might have had one from his uncle at some critical moment in his early development. the Matthew Shepherd thing happened 40 miles from here, we enjoyed a demonstration by phelps et al at our homecoming football game against Wyoming. Don't know who they were rooting for. I think it was more likely the Cowboys, since our mascot at CSU is a ram. :snort: :laff:

wolf wrote:

I love it everytime witches get their panties in a bunch over landoverbaptist.com.

I thought witches went commando.

Only when we're overdue on getting down to the laundromat.

Or when the boywitches are wearing kilts.

jaguar wrote:

wow......someone needs a blowjob *bad*.

I do..I do. :blush:

I wrote out a long reply to a PM and couldn't send it. Then I couldn't get back in. I was wondering if the perps that hacked in the other day, did some exploring while they were here and checked out all the doors and windows?
Probably just swam up the toilet, rat bas-turds. :rar:

Elspode wrote:

Of course, there's people like Fred Phelps at www.godhatesfags.com who make this sort of thing a bit more ambiguous.

WWJD? Jesus would administer a much-needed asswhoopin' to Mr. Phelps; that's what Jesus would do. Jesus loved sinners but had nothing but contempt for those who overlooked their own faults in favor of the faults of others.

Since the little weasels probably had time to snoop around in the system, I changed my password.

Oh Yeah, how do we know you is you?? :eyebrow:

xoxoxoBruce wrote:

Oh Yeah, how do we know you is you?? :eyebrow:

Hmmmm... good question...

So, "Rich", tell us again why Bush is the greatest president in American History.

BUsh is a lying asshole. meat is murder. fight the power \m/

has anyone read tw's last post in regarding 70hp/liter? it is really insightful and i must admit that he has brought me around to his way of thinking. now if we can only get rid of that mental midget, religious extremist who couldn't do anything for 7 minutes until Andy Card reminded him that he had an MBA and should pretend he was in charge...

seriously though. has anyone else taken note that the hacks started right after certain smartass cellarites put T-I-N-P somewhere in their signature causing the google ranking to rise? think there might be a connection?

*slinks away to delete the phrase from signature*

Yeah. One happened first, the next happened later.

I think we had puh-lenty tnip visibility before the joke about the sigs.

Seriously.

Perhaps UT has some insight as to the forensic evidence left by the attackers. I googled up the Red Devils Crew (RDC, get it?) and got a long list of sites defaced by them. None seemed TNIP-centric in the least. my :2cents:

:rar:

Another two hours wasted... another hole closed.

What I do know is that these are strictly script hacking kiddies. I can restore to a better system at any time, so the long term health of the system is not affected, rest assured. And all the data is backed up. God dammit.

CAN YOU RETURN FIRE?!

hack the hackers?

set a trap? do something evil? wtf?

He could but you really don't want to wage war with these kids. Next thing you know, you have a full-scale DDOS attack on your hands. Best thing is to defend well and they'll eventually move on in search of an easier target.

You don't want to end up like this guy.

Nothing more than the whim of a 13-year old hacker is required to knock any user, site, or server right off the Internet.

He's shined up that page a lot. I think I first read it when it was just plain vanilly html, courier type.

The problem with hacking the hackers is then you're the one who ends up getting in trouble over it.

I think it would be very cool, however, to be able to call their parents, and give them a bill for the hours to correct their actions ...

Since the little weasels probably had time to snoop around in the system, I changed my password.

Correct me if I'm wrong UT but the passwords here are hashed, meaning that the password is stored in a way that allows you to compare the one you send to the one on file but not read the one on file. They could have snooped on connections of people logging in while they were in but these are script kiddies and that is probably beyond them.

Undertoad wrote:

does anybody know korean?

When I clicked on it, google had intervened and translated it from Korean. Didn't make a damn bit of sense to me but it looked like a message board. I snipped some words and phrases out that seemed to reinforce the idea that some rookie crackers are the posters such as: kernel, php, crack, can't get laid to save my ass, nuclear acne, buffer overflow, etc.)

I thought this exchange was hilarious. I so love machine translators.

Most sight of an airplane: Before it knows the bedspread.

Box: The accounts groove blood which I use encountered, well! the same bedspread.

Right, I linked the Google translation page which is the first Google evidence of the keywords of some of the trojans. Messages dated April 29 - recent, current. Also tells us that the guaranteed solution is a kernel upgrade.

I'm still thinking that my main error was leaving open (an insecured FTP) for a few days as a favor to a small client. Duh. I also made a smaller error in leaving open a file upload service leading to a web-readable directory. It was password-protected but only VERY rudimentarily. Duh.

I have closed the doors I know about and gotten rid of the trojans I know about, but can't assume it's perfectly fixed. It means that I have to assume this system is insecure until I move things systematically to an entirely secure server.

from my non-tech perspective: why exactly would someone want to hack the cellar? there is no financial incentive. no societal incentive whatsoever from what i can tell. there is no agenda that they are pushing on us.

are people really so bored with their sad little lives that effing with a bulletin board is worth their time and effort?

Reminds me of something I ran across on www.enlightenedcaveman.com .

"Nathaniel West wrote, I thought, beautifully about that syndrome, and W.H. Auden, the poet, wrote an essay about West's analysis of that syndrome, which he called, 'West's Disease.' It's about people who, for whatever reason, are unable to turn wishes into passions in their life, and lacking that capacity, sit passively in mute outrage, anticipating disasters. They go to fires. Any sort of natural disaster attracts them. And in the absence of a natural disaster, they sometimes try and create disasters. And they hate the people whose lives, whether successful or not, are pursued with passion. And first they idolize them, then they want to destroy them. They want to appropriate the vitality of those people..."

lookout123 wrote:

are people really so bored with their sad little lives that effing with a bulletin board is worth their time and effort?

In a word, yes.

TS, read Beestie's link in post 51. :(

i think sycamore is behind this. he and marichiko have, undoubtedly contacted online alqueda agents, and have conspired to ruin you, tony. just a hunch. i could be wrong.

I think it was lumberjim in the library with a candlestick.

Seriously, thanks UT for burping the seal. again. and again.

I couldn't hack a website or server if I tried.

I dont think I've mentioned that I'm glad to see you here again. But its true.

Thanks. :)

warch wrote:

I dont think I've mentioned that I'm glad to see you here again. But its true.

I am with warch on that. :biggrin:

if you are going to be back in StL, i'll buy you a beverage if you want to drive over to Westport next time i'm up there. not sure when that'll be, but i'll let you know if you are interested. it would be nice to meet at least one fellow cellarite.

Sounds good, man. I'll be about 30 minutes from Westport.

Get to the old Busch before its toast.

You should both drive to Westport in KC. We could drag Cowhead in from Lawrence, and we'd be well on the way to a Cellar get together.

warch wrote:

Get to the old Busch before its toast.

I was already there last month for a game, though I'll probably make a few more. Especially since my brother works down there as an EMT for an ambulance service.

Couldn't you drop by Copeland after you get cowhead really quick and get me, too? (was feeling a little left out)

i will probably make it to StL in July or Sept. of this year. i don't have any better info than that right now. i generally know 2/3 weeks ahead of time. I will have 3 days of absolute work, but i can fly in a day early if people want to get together.

Pffft...like we're gonna go to some fucking cow town like KC. :)

Lookout, we'll go to a real bar in the City if you come in early. Westport has nice places...but it's Westport.

what? you mean StL actually has places nicer than America's Pub ,Ozzie's , and The Funny Bone ? Actually there is a nice little Irish-ish pub upstairs from TFB that i've enjoyed extensively. Good Guiness and super friendly bartenders.

Other than the Westport Sheraton and the attached strip of bars, i've only been down by the stadium for games.

lookout123 wrote:

what? you mean StL actually has places nicer than America's Pub ,Ozzie's , and The Funny Bone ?

Yes. The best bars are in the City, primarily on Laclede's Landing and in Soulard. My personal favorite is McGurk's.

Second the Soulard....old brick, tin roofed bars with great real beer and big pork sandwiches.

Oh and Ive just seen that the BelAirs play a monthly gig at BBs Blues, Jazz and Soup. That'd be awfully fun! 'Specially if you appreciate Rev Horton Heat. :)

I saw them once...at the Blue Note in Columbia, MO 10 years ago. They were pretty good.

A friend of mine had his '56 Chevy Bel Air used on one of their album covers many years ago. Those guys used to play at Blayneys in Westport here in KC for years.

Again... tonight for a few hours. I have not yet moved to a more up to date platform.

I couldn't get on for an hour.
Now I get on and can't view the images.
Good luck.

I wasn't able to get in this afternoon. The login sent me to a 404 screen.

404 screen gone now..........no images.
What a pisser.
WTF?

Everything should be back to normal now.

thanks UT!! all ok from this end now :)

Whew!

I got the 404 screen when I got to work this morning. I thought that Com Squadron might have killed my connection to the login screen. I got the same message when I got home, I knew something was up. Glad to see everything is working again. Hello and welcome back fellow Cellar Dwellers. I missed you so....*sob, sniff*

lookout123 wrote:

The 56th FW/CS is on to you. you had better go into deep hiding. now.

:worried:Yeah...*nervous chuckle* ... good one Lookout ... *nervous chuckle* ... you must be a local *turning to look over my shoulder now*:eek:

that depends. did you say "local" or "loco"? either way, yep. i'm not active duty anymore, but i spent some time with the 56th.

apparently i got your heart beating a little faster for a second there?

You got his something beating a little faster.
What is the 56th FW/CS? :eyebrow:

56th fighter wing/communications squadron.

luke air force base arimazona 85309. i spent a large part of my life on that base.


*hey who is that knocking on my door*

[SIZE=1]everything you have just read is a delusion from the mind of lookout. in fact lookout never existed. if you persist in questioning, you may not exist soon. [/SIZE]

xoxoxoBruce wrote:

You got his something beating a little faster.
What is the 56th FW/CS?

Not everyone would be familiar with the term "56th FW/CS" unless they were military. For a while, I was waitin' for the dudes with guns and angry dogs to come bustin' down my door.

Just shows to go ya, if you want to stay hidden, don't say a word.

hacked again, quick recovery there UT.

Gets old though doesn't it?

All your base are belong to us!

Was this something new? A new exploit?

Can't reveal details.

I don;t know why, but personalized error messages always tickle me

Of course, he could always make it even more personal...

"Sorry. UT has disabled the Cellar because he's getting it on with Jacquelita right now. It should be back within 2 or 3 hours. A day at most. Promise."

I didn't realize tw was a skript kiddie. Hmm, wait, no mention of the Economist... maybe it was Jaguar?

I personally think it was UT...he's been trying to play the hawk this whole time, and he just finally needed to vent that dove side a little.

sycamore wrote:

All your base are belong to us!

Speaking of which, anyone see this yet?

Oh. My.

Cute, but I still really, really love the original.

AYB, I mean.

Move Zig!!

Fuckers just did it again. I note that there is a link back to where the inserted graphic is stored. Does that change every time, or have you bothered to notify the hosting conglomerate?

My experience today was a very brief interruption at about 3:11 PDT. Now all is hunky dory.

And again this morning, same screen.

I think I speak for all of us when I say,

"YOU ARE CURRENTLY NEEDED TO DIE"

yeah, that sucked.

Geez guys I think I saved that one in about 5 minutes.

I think we know who lily is.

...I dunno, if I were going to hack the Cellar I think I'd double check my grammar......
again, for those of you who missed it, because it made me laugh so hard I cried: YOU ARE CURRENTLY NEEDED TO DIE

I googled their email address. They don't seem to have a pattern. Foreign sites, American sites, it doesn't seem to matter.

They even hit an Impala SS club site.

Told yah Lily was a troll.

A Hopkin eating troll.

wolf wrote:

Told yah Lily was a troll.

and with that, my dear, you shall be blessed by the almighty whale penis! :thumb:

plthijinx wrote:

and with that, my dear, you shall be blessed by the almighty whale penis! :thumb:

one of her very own? where do I sign up? :lol:

So was lily banned?

Queen of the Ryche wrote:

one of her very own? where do I sign up? :lol:

get in line sister! if your nice she might let you borrow it! (cleaned of course!) :thumb:

I blame myself for that. I should have left the "Pain of Life" thread die but I brought it back to life this morning with my post. Must have angered the Lily god. Didn't occur to me "Lily" might be a troll until the other posting after mine. Ooops!

Beware troll. Stay away from the bridge, for the goat will send a horn up your green narled ass!

Well no, lily isn't definitely related to it... don't want to jump to conclusions

Hobbs wrote:

I blame myself for that. I should have left the "Pain of Life" thread die but I brought it back to life this morning with my post. Must have angered the Lily god. Didn't occur to me "Lily" might be a troll until the other posting after mine. Ooops!

Beware troll. Stay away from the bridge, for the goat will send a horn up your green narled ass!

And I thought it was my "brass Band" comment that sent her over the edge. :lol:

so what? is that 3 times today total with the last one occuring around 8 or so? (at least that's what time i got home....)

I thought the message was scary. i hope they dont ummm, have our registration details (email and computer 3 etc) and will enforce that i am needed to die.

eek!

Seems like UT should be earning combat pay at this point.

Uh... where'd the tip jar go?

Undertoad wrote:

... don't want to jump to conclusions

If it wasn't for jumping to conclusions, I wouldn't get any exercise at all.

Ya, I know, it's an old joke. So sue me.

http://news.com.com/2100-1017-247993.html?legacy=cnet

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/129339_hackers03.html


seems like they have your number, t. how can they continue to get in? is it a new avenue each time, or is vb flawed somehow?

my question is still - why the cellar? why continuously the cellar? although we love the cellar, it isn't exactly a high profile target.

lookout, if we ask "Why the Cellar", then the terrorists have already won.

I suspect the TINP effect. Not that they actually did it, but their mere presence makes this place attractive to hackers.

Either that or this is the latest round in Sycamore's Quest for Whale Penis Primacy.

lookout123 wrote:

my question is still - why the cellar? why continuously the cellar? although we love the cellar, it isn't exactly a high profile target.

Out of curiousity I googled their name, and came up with a slew of sites that they had hacked. And that is as far as I got before I got distracted by something bright and shiny.

Well, there is one thing. Thier hacked home pages always have their email address on it. Purhaps one of use should write to them and simply ask them to stop hacking the Cellar......

Bwahhahahahhaa.....oh man I crack myself up sometimes.... :lol2:

Anyway, I figured who ever they are, they must be from the middle east. All those groups over there love to use the terms "brigade," "group," "crew," etc. It must sound noble in their native laguage, not realizing that it just sounds "gay" in our native language.

footfootfoot wrote:

Out of curiousity I googled their name, and came up with a slew of sites that they had hacked.

Um, didn't I just say that?

He must have you on ignore.

I was actually thrown off by the hack last night! I was trying to fix my non-rhyming entry in the Rhyme Time thread as, just as I pressed "quick post" I realized, too late, that Orpheus did NOT rhyme with Kafka. And BigV called me on it. But I couldn't get in and now I feel "less than"----Ahhahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Did it happen again this afternoon/evening? :confused:

xoxoxoBruce wrote:

Did it happen again this afternoon/evening? :confused:

Yes. I saw it for the first time this afternoon.

It was down for about 4 minutes.

Is it time to switch to Solaris 10 yet? We did and it really rocks. It's free.

At this other forum we keep getting jerks that take posts and repost them on FC. The forum is only readable by members so we were able to track down the culprits and ban them. It helps that a couple of us are mods at two different forums.

wolf wrote:

He must have you on ignore.

No, not on ignore. I just missed it somehow. Too much Dain Brammage prolly.

But, not to split hairs, you googled their email address.

OK I was splitting hairs.

At this other forum we keep getting jerks that take posts and repost them on FC.

What's FC?

xoxoxoBruce wrote:

What's FC?

F**kedCompany.com also called the red board or the odd board by its exiles

Was today's spate of "connection refused" messages a denial of service or a battening down of hatches? (or something secret that we'll only learn about on a need to know basis)

B. All will be told in time!

arsome

hey, i heard that UT was going to make this a pay site. pass it on. and by invite only.

didn't you get your invite?

:tinfoil:

the whole site is going back to beta. you'll have to know someone who's already a member to get logged on.

the red devils did it again. around 810pm. devious, they are.

Brianna wrote:

The fiend in his own shape is less hideous than when he rages in the breast of man.

Yeah, well with fiends like that who needs enemas?

lookout123 wrote:

hey, i heard that UT was going to make this a pay site. pass it on. and by invite only.

didn't you get your invite?

:tinfoil:

Seriously, that might not be a bad thing to do for a short time...make everything accessible only to members...except for IotD.

Yea, we did that at this other forum. Keeps out the riff raff, but stunts the growth of the community. Unfortunately, sycamore was already a member. :D

footfootfoot wrote:

No, not on ignore. I just missed it somehow. Too much Dain Brammage prolly.

But, not to split hairs, you googled their email address.

OK I was splitting hairs.

Not to split hairs, but to mince words, Google is not a verb.

Rock Steady wrote:

Not to split hairs, but to mince words, Google is not a verb.

Mince all you like. Google as a verb works quite well as demonstrated by you clear understanding of his usage. Google as a verb has definitely entered the language, even if it is not in a dictionary.

Carry on.

Rock Steady wrote:

Not to split hairs, but to mince words, Google is not a verb.

Google is a verb if and only if you are using Google brand search engine, which most people do when the Google something.

oh good grief - let me make this clear. you. freak. ing. nerds.

Actually the word could be seen as go ogle. (as a compound).
Not a language expert but that should qualify as a verb of some sort.
A computer geek told me that is the origion of the term, although I can't warrant it's validity. Probably intellibull.......

Rock Steady wrote:

Yea, we did that at this other forum. Keeps out the riff raff, but stunts the growth of the community. Unfortunately, sycamore was already a member. :D

No way JR is going to get rid of his own kind (a hillbilly). :)

Some urban legends are very easy to dismiss.

http://www.google.com/intl/en/corporate/history.html

Google History

Google is a play on the word googol, which was coined by Milton Sirotta, nephew of American mathematician Edward Kasner, and was popularized in the book, "Mathematics and the Imagination" by Kasner and James Newman. It refers to the number represented by the numeral 1 followed by 100 zeros. Google's use of the term reflects the company's mission to organize the immense, seemingly infinite amount of information available on the web. ...

lookout123 wrote:

oh good grief - let me make this clear. you. freak. ing. nerds.

RS, pay attention. This is how you mince words. Emphasis mine.

Just to be splitting hairs, he only minced one word there.

AAAAUUUGHHH!!! :smack: :banghead: where the hell is the RDC when you need them?

j/k. seriously. please don't hack us anymore.

lookout123 wrote:

AAAAUUUGHHH!!! :smack: :banghead: where the hell is the RDC when you need them?

j/k. seriously. please don't hack us anymore.

Hey l123, :chill:

Shouldn't this post go in this thread? I think the little animated smilies would look really cute in the banner.

I'm experiencing considerable turbulence out here. Anybody else? numerous 404 errors, cannot connect, etc? Anybody?

I got some sort of Index page yesterday for quite a while and today I got thrown off (rude!) with the RDC telling me-AGAIN-how much I am needed to die.

I got the RDC again today... they sure suck. UT, you're doing a great job - I know that this has to be frustrating for you.

I had it yesterday.......about 8:00 eastern.
Wish I had those bastards by the neck. Sick mofos, all I can say.

Well, UT will be changing systems. Until then, we should just ignore them; don't mention it anymore. Not let them any feedback about how effective it is or not.

So, for now, how 'bout them A's?

Are you the new information and moral officer? :eyebrow:

Just making a suggestion xoB. If you think it is a bad suggestion, just do whatever you want. But, you knew that already. Lighten up, kid; I'm not out to ruin your forum.

Oh, and last night Zito (6-8) beat Burele (10-3) for the second time in two weeks. Go A's.

Oh, Grrrrr! UT, have you zeroed in on their locale yet? If so, just say the word and if they're within a 500 mile radius of Colorado, I'll see what I can manage. After all, I'm already on record as having neurological damage and I might as well have some fun with my diagnosis. Bet I'd get off with community service with credit for a service to the world already done! :rar:

Not now that you posted it, Mari. NOW it's premeditated.

*sigh*

You know better....

OnyxCougar wrote:

Not now that you posted it, Mari. NOW it's premeditated.

*sigh*

You know better....

Darn!

Hey but I have short term memory problems. Maybe I forgot that it was premeditated? ;)

Rock Steady wrote:

Just making a suggestion xoB.

My mistake....sounded like an order.

If you think it is a bad suggestion, just do whatever you want. But, you knew that already.

Yes, I knew that, which is why I questioned the order..er....suggestion.

Lighten up, kid; I'm not out to ruin your forum.

I'm not a kid, which is why I question authority.
It's not my forum.
Fuck baseball.

Oh...and don't feel special. I have a history of questioning orders from anyone here except UT. And of course Katkeeper. :lol: