California strikes again!

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050427/ap_on_re_us/brf_ballistics_id

I hope to Bob that this doesn't come to pass. I cannot imagine the mess this will cause.

Restart the gun control debate at will.

Um, if they put serial numbers on the bullet, where's the space for the names I like to put on them?

Obviously, the main purpose of this is to make handgun bullets prohibitively expensive (for legal users). Pretty transparent ploy if you ask me.

Never mind the question about where you're going to put the serial number. If they actually put it on the lead, it's certainly not going to be readable after firing. On the jacket, maybe but most likely not. And a laser-cut serial number, unlike a stamped one, won't be recoverable once it is filed off.

And lo, ammmo stands just on the Arizona side of the California border sprang up like mushrooms after a spring rain. And files were in abundance.

Hey, maybe they can require everyone who owns a file in the state of California to register that file! AND, they can make it a felony to transport a file into the state of California!

Legislators strut about like peacocks in heat, pat selves on back, chests bursting with pride.

A question comes to mind.

Will Law Enforcement ammunition be so marked?

russotto wrote:

Obviously, the main purpose of this is to make handgun bullets prohibitively expensive (for legal users). Pretty transparent ploy if you ask me.

Hey, that is Chris Rock's idea. If a bullet was $5000, there'd probably be a damn good reason for most gun murders - and a short list of suspects. ;)

Half a cent per bullet wouldn't be quite enough for Rock's purposes, though...

Never mind the question about where you're going to put the serial number. If they actually put it on the lead, it's certainly not going to be readable after firing.

I'd put it on the back of the bullet, where it would be concealed in the cartridge, and slightly more difficult to file off. I'm sure they'd be able to design it to survive firing.

Troubleshooter wrote:

Will Law Enforcement ammunition be so marked?

I'd hope so, even if it doesn't happen for non-law-enforcement.

They will probably tag bullets like explosives are already tagged ... there are teensy weensy bits of this stuff that doesn't blow up that has the code numbers in it. I think it's mostly used for batch numbers rather than individual stick of dynomite numbers, but it could be adapted to be poured with the lead for the bullet itself. Serial numbering of the casings would be pretty simple.

I don't want to see either happen, obviously.

The half-cent fee is only the fee paid to the state; that doesn't take into account the cost of actually numbering the bullet, or the economics of the enormous reduction in supply this would cause. It wouldn't make bullets $5000, but it would make them much more expensive than they are now.

I can't see a laser cut number on the back of a lead bullet surviving being fired, let alone the bullet hitting anything.

Using taggants in the lead would work better but that apparently isn't the proposal on the table.

And the bill doesn't address those who both cast their own ammo and reload their own cartridges.

russotto wrote:

The half-cent fee is only the fee paid to the state; that doesn't take into account the cost of actually numbering the bullet, or the economics of the enormous reduction in supply this would cause. It wouldn't make bullets $5000, but it would make them much more expensive than they are now.

Well, to save money California will probably decide they could have them stamped in the prison workshops, like the license plates.... hmmm... :eyebrow:

Put this in the catagory of so many gun laws that won't accomplish anything but add to the bureaucracy. Do they really think the baddies will use ammo that is marked, unless it's stolen? :rolleyes:

California's been taken over by liberals. All the conservatives have left and gone to Arizona.

I think some of them went to try to stave off the liberal invasion of Washington State, too.

They gave up on Oregon. Lost Cause.

WA is one of the Wobblies original strongholds and home of some of it's bloodiest battles. :(

wolf wrote:

I think some of them went to try to stave off the liberal invasion of Washington State, too. snip

classic conservative dittohead doublespeak
:biggrin:
liberal invasion.... pbbtbtbtbtbt. as if they (yeah, THEY) were here first. baloney.

in the immortal words of the conservative in chief,

bring it on.

My friends tell me that they hold the East.

And they will kick your latte' sucking brioche eatin' asses. ;)

Actually, I read an article tonight about a movement to have the 20 Eastern Washington counties secede and form a 51st State.

wolf wrote:

My friends tell me that they hold the East.

And they will kick your latte' sucking brioche eatin' asses. ;)

Actually, I read an article tonight about a movement to have the 20 Eastern Washington counties secede and form a 51st State.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Like that's gonna happen. I can't think of a spot less likely to be let go except the other Washington. Can you say Plutonium. :lol:

I"m not expecting those people to take over New Hampshire, either, but I like watching the fun happen.

wolf wrote:

My friends tell me that they hold the East.

And they will kick your latte' sucking brioche eatin' asses. ;)

Actually, I read an article tonight about a movement to have the 20 Eastern Washington counties secede and form a 51st State.

Actually, true. They want to call it
Cascadia.

url is offline. cached copy at google moderately infomative.

That British Columbia, Washington and Oregon. Quite a plan according to the Google cache of V's link. Here's another link to one of the group's sites. Not as good as the other link, but it's working. ;)

Oh, and this link adds northern CA and Alaska.