Defy this age of sarcasm!
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Everybody ride the Trollercoaster!
I ran across this site when stumbling upon a personal, ignorant attack on my spiritual leader, Prince Lazarus Long, founder of The Principality of New Utopia.
Is that the guy that eats babies?
Yeah, I think it is.
wait. what if angus is really radar expressing his sensitive side? shouldn't we be nice to him?
eh, whatever.
hey, angus - show me a haiku, or at least a good radio jingle before you claim to be a poet. i want to see your chops.
7. Sarchasm The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it
Is it even possible for you to switch out of sarcasm mode?
noooooo-ooooooo
Is it built yet? Do you have any pictures of the place? How about of you and the Prince?
This is a man who dares to ... not only build castles in the air
Ahhhhhh yes.... of Castles In The Air. [draws from pipe] [blows concentric smoke rings] I'm reminded of an old poem I once read of Castles In The Air.
Castles in the air.
Neurotics build them.
Psychotics live in them.
angus if you are serious, then welcome to the cellar. but before you judge our behaviour, you may want to remember that you are an unknown commodity and you introduced yourself by scolding people for having a sense of humor, in the philosophy forum without any philosophizing to boot. what did you expect?
There is a difference between being sarcastic and skeptical.
Count me skeptical.
A Tulsa Today article on
Prince Lazarus.
Is it built yet? Do you have any pictures of the place?
here is New Utopia:
And here is the airport:
I dare say the real Lazarus Long (out there somewhere in the pantheistic multiperson solipsistic universes) would barf at the thought of a) being called a prince and b) having his picture stamped on coins.
Referring to the graphic image of our currency: "It's like a koala bear crapped a rainbow in my brain!"
That's my .sig line, silly utopian. If I had been referring to our lord and savior lazarus' fake money, it would have read "'It's like someone's forming a cult and taking gullible people's money to build a pseudo-religious Club Med' in my brain!"
I encourage you to find spiritual guidance along one of our planet's more mundane pathways to enlightenment. I'm not ridiculing YOU, I'm ridiculing...
Ok, I'm ridiculing you. But I mean no harm. Get some help. Really. Your family probably misses you.
As a poet, I have been treated as a pariah, an outsider, and an odd-duck all my life, as I'm sure many of the other citizens of New Utopia have been. Lazarus and dear Maureen have given us hope, and a dream, belonging and dignity. That's why it burns me up to run across the type of slander I encountered at: http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=8053.
I'd put vocabulary somewhat high on the requirements for a good poet, but you don't seem to know what "slander" means. Though I guess maybe there aren't too many poems about slander.
re: sarcasm
You have the basics down, but you're still plagued with an overactive martyr gland and the inability to see the humor in someone minting untradeable money with their own face on it. The status quo here is that EVERYBODY has to take their licks at one point or another, particularly in the philosophy thread. And you have to be able to accept ribbing with good grace when you announce yourself as the poet laureate of New Utopia.
You came dangerously close to killing the thread with the Holocaust mention. Rule #1 -- don't call people Nazis. It's the first sign you've lost the argument.
You probably got points from some people for the Bush/witchburning/Holocaust connection, though.
Edit: I forgot to use the words "Messiah Complex". There. That's better.
...they were morons. It is, and I'm not joking, the same line of conformity that leads to... ultimately the election of George Bush.
Well, you're certainly right on that count.
Edit: am person who agrees with mrnoodle about some people giving points for the witchburning/holocaust/georgebush thing.
Sarcasm the retreat of the morally retarded. Take that oscar wilde and co.
New Utopia is cute and all but sadly, the truth is like so many similar 'freedom projects', it's nothing more than a dirty scam.
See
here and notice
here how being a 'Charter Citizen' costs $25000, you can also purchase
bank licences, trust licences and 'Class A' bank licences for wads of cash. The prince has a long history of being involved in scams and was recently stopped by the SEC from floating unsecured bonds. Still, it's a tad more complex than his previous 'longlevity' scams and his wife's old habit of drug dealing.
here is New Utopia:
Oh yeah, I've seen the drawings, I was just wondering if angus has been to the site and snapped some photos.
I wonder what it would cost me to usurp the throne? Or unseat the Poet Laureate?
Or even de-Pants the Poet Laureate...
:king:
don't know if I want to see that................but I think I will start my own "Princessiapality" just so I can issue my own coins, wear a nifty robe, and brainwash my way into the misguided's pockets............anyone want to become a citizen? I'll give you a nifty title like "DeckSwabber of Disillusionmentville".....and it will cost you mere pence compared to the spiritual riches I will bestow upon you.........
Oops - was I too sarcastic?
To do is to be (Neitzsche) To be is to do (Kant) Do be do be do (Sinatra)
I'd sign up if your sig is anything to go by, i love it!
I, too, want to be a citizen, just because of your name. Every time I read it, I have that song in my head for the rest of the day.
okay - an appreciation for SARCASTIC humor and ROCKIN music are requirements for citizenship. and my minions shall pay homage with beer, steak, and chocolate. (I promise to share.)
Ok. I feel better after my rant. Angus, don't run off. I'm intrigued -- convince me, or make a good start at convincing me, that New Utopia is viable, its leaders are legit, and its precepts are workable.
In other words, convince me that you are not batshit. I say this with a fully open mind.
the only problem with us saying cool about a new society is that it must a viable idea, and not smell like a scam being perpetrated by a known con artist and using Ayn Rand to say "see it will work".
and the cellar isn't about everybody ganging up on someone who is different. (that is just a side benefit :cool: ) each and every one of us sticks our necks out with unpopular ideas on a fairly regular basis - and we get jabbed for it. you were gently jabbed and got all bent out of shape and decided that the martyr card was your most viable option. sorry, doesn't work.
if you've got some "new" idea that you want others to appreciate and support, you had better be prepared to convince the world why it is better than out current framework. temper tantrums don't accomplish that.
wait, wait - i can't count that fast! too many red herrings!!!
ok, i'm better now. don't make this about society. this is about you. this is about your desire to be different, without the ramifications that different brings. i think that is about it.
Thank you for having me. It is time to repair to the BatCave for some serious drinking. And American Idol on the big screen. Adieu.
You drink? :eek:
It's great to be batshit, just ask me. The problem is, run-of-the-mill tortured artist syndrome isn't true crazy. Weariness. I dismiss your weariness as an unwillingness to back up your spiel. I'm sure Lord Lazarus the Benevolent does the same thing if he finds an audience that questions his motives -- cuts and runs.
Stay and play. Pwease?
and because my marriage ended today.
now see there - that is something that, if you had chosen to address it, would have provoked words of encouragement, support, and concern. if you look around the cellar, you will find quite a bit of that. many of us have experience in this area, and can sympathize. many cellarites have experience in the arts as poets, writers, musicians, tape thingamajig makers, etc. they make fair and for the most compassionate critics if they think your are really looking for input. most cellarites are just looking for some conversation, and if it's been awhile for you, i can assure you that most circles of friends specialize in the fine art of ridicule. welcome to the cellar. if this is a recipe for a community you'd like to belong to, then pull up a seat, absorb the sights and sounds. LJ will be along to administer the test. oh yeah, don't feed the wolf.
as far as the grand poobah of send-me-all-your-money island? whatever.
Ahhhhhh yes.... of Castles In The Air. [draws from pipe] [blows concentric smoke rings] I'm reminded of an old poem I once read of Castles In The Air.
Castles in the air.
Neurotics build them.
Psychotics live in them.
And I collect the rent.
Having to work while all this interesting discussion is going on is very distressing to me. Would the Principality of New Utopia support me entirely so that I may pursue my dream of never having to leave my internet connection?
One of the problems with these kinds of utopian societies, even ones developed by people who misunderstand Heinlein, are the sonsofbitches running them still want to take my guns.
well, i guess the promotion of your beliefs and ideals mustn't be very important to you if you delete your posts because people respond to them in a way you don't care for.
BTW - post deletion is bad form. just tell us you've changed your mind, or you think we're stupid, or your panties are really starting to pinch - but don't delete.
Why bother when there's an abundance of apathy?
well, i guess the promotion of your beliefs and ideals mustn't be very important to you if you delete your posts because people respond to them in a way you don't care for.
BTW - post deletion is bad form. just tell us you've changed your mind, or you think we're stupid, or your panties are really starting to pinch - but don't delete.
So THAT's what happened. I thought I was gonna have to check in with wolf there for a minute.
I wondered what happened.. damn as always a day late and a dollar short.. and oh SHIT! where are my pants!
Hell! I'm lost also. Maybe on purpose?
sniff sniff, did someone just shit in my airplane and bail out? :turd: :smack:
what a dork.
don't worry CH & bust, i was a day late and a buck short too....
eh? what can you do? KEEP POSTING!!! AH-HA-HA-HA-HA! in the mainc sort of way..
One of the problems with these kinds of utopian societies, even ones developed by people who misunderstand Heinlein, are the sonsofbitches running them still want to take my guns.
They feel in their utopian society you don't need a gun. Therein lies their flaw. They have no comprehention of using a gun for anything other than committing or preventing a crime. :(
feh. that's not just in utopia. that's in this country as well. Guns Are Bad™ is this generation's Just Say No. Utterly useless and illogical, but when adhered to, gives one the feeling of Doing Something About The Crime Problem.
Initial Caps Are Fun.
sorry.. like the Anarchists.. sorry but when everyone is 'equal' the ones with the most teststerone and guns will be telling the rest of us what to do... since no-one will duel me with a sword. I keep a gun.. yeah the bullets are in the car... but... if someone breaks in... oh lordy will they have a suprise! (took 4 years of fencing, until I broke my wrist in a duel.. worth every bit of it too! great fight!)
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who didn't.
Freedom is not empowerment. Empowerment is what the Serbs have in Bosnia. Anybody can grab a gun and be empowered. It's not entitlement. An entitlement is what people on welfare get, and how free are they? It's not an endlessly expanding list of rights -- the 'right' to education, the 'right' to health care, the 'right' to food and housing. That's not freedom, that's dependency. Those aren't rights, those are the rations of slavery -- hay and a barn for human cattle. There's only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. - P.J. O'Rourke
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who didn't.
Freedom is not empowerment. Empowerment is what the Serbs have in Bosnia. Anybody can grab a gun and be empowered. It's not entitlement. An entitlement is what people on welfare get, and how free are they? It's not an endlessly expanding list of rights -- the 'right' to education, the 'right' to health care, the 'right' to food and housing. That's not freedom, that's dependency. Those aren't rights, those are the rations of slavery -- hay and a barn for human cattle. There's only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. - P.J. O'Rourke
Ooh.. I LIKE that one. I'll have to add it to my quotes list. Basically the last couple of sentences:
"There's only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. "
That's what's missing...taking the consequences.
Ahhhhhh yes.... of Castles In The Air. [draws from pipe] [blows concentric smoke rings] I'm reminded of an old poem I once read of Castles In The Air.
Castles in the air.
Neurotics build them.
Psychotics live in them.
And Rita Rudner's mother cleans them...
re: sarcasm
The status quo here is that EVERYBODY has to take their licks at one point or another, particularly in the philosophy thread.
Oh, yeah...he's right on that one. If you're coming here for warm fuzzies, you landed on the wrong planet. This is the CELLAR, babe...and the first rule you learn (took me a while-just ask Wolf) is: grow a thick skin...yes indeed...something along the lines of alligator or armadillo.... Eventually, you learn not to take it personally, even if it is. ESPECIALLY if it is. :lol: