What's more current than the weather?

xoxoxoBruce • Mar 1, 2005 1:08 pm
It's what we live with, work around and can't reason with, divorce or murder. :biggrin:
Today it's snow.
lookout123 • Mar 1, 2005 1:09 pm
today it is 70 and sunny. i don't have my camera with me. would you like a picture when i get home?
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 1, 2005 2:06 pm
today it is 70 and sunny.
You poor baby. it must be so stressful. :p
lookout123 • Mar 1, 2005 3:16 pm
hey - it's nothing to laugh at. do you have any idea how much i am forced to spend on sunscreen every year? ;)
dar512 • Mar 1, 2005 3:31 pm
lookout123 wrote:
hey - it's nothing to laugh at. do you have any idea how much i am forced to spend on sunscreen every year? ;)

Finally found a perfect use for this: :violin:
lookout123 • Mar 1, 2005 3:34 pm
and besides - it gets tiresome eating lunch on the sidewalk year round, never getting to pull the snow chains out, i never get to use my snow shovel... and coats? forgetaboutit.
Griff • Mar 1, 2005 3:37 pm
Nice snow day today, but I still have to drive to class tonight. An hour 40 drive in good weather...
lookout123 • Mar 1, 2005 3:41 pm
i feel you're pain griff. i am from northern illinois and i used to drive 87 miles each way to school. but at least i didn't have to live in a college town, right?
Elspode • Mar 1, 2005 3:52 pm
So, how many inches did you Cellarites get out of the past day or so?

Ladies, you may wish to consider the topic carefully before responding.
Silent • Mar 1, 2005 3:53 pm
That's not snow.

This is snow.

http://spine.cx/modules.php?name=Photos&album=120
Griff • Mar 1, 2005 10:14 pm
Elspode wrote:
So, how many inches did you Cellarites get out of the past day or so?

I'll take a closer look in the morning but maybe 16 inches in the last 30 hours? We got like 4 more while I was at school. I'd like to take a moment to thank the Japanese for my Nissan pickup. I had to take a long stretch of back roads because there were firemen all over the highway, but had no problems.
wolf • Mar 2, 2005 1:39 am
Reports vary, but the northern burbs seem to have gotten between three and six inches.

I did not get my ruler out to check. I'd guess I had to clean three or four inches off my car when I left work at midnight. It took me 45 minutes to complete what is usually a 15 minute drive.

For the most of it, thankfully, I was the only car on the road. When I was about two miles from my house some dumbass decided to tailgate me. What is with people??

At any point he could have passed me if he were that impatient. It was just me and him, and he was not a cop. It wasn't just his strict adherence to the rules of the road, either ... at the point at which he finally got the hell off my ass, he made an illegal left hand turn at a red light, at an intersection known for fatalities (it's a five-point intersection, with no visibility of the cross traffic).
jaguar • Mar 2, 2005 2:38 am
We got a whole inch here a few days ago....and it didn't melt for hours.
cowhead • Mar 2, 2005 5:43 am
uh oddly enough this winter here in Kansas jas been very very very kind only 2 ice storms and not too much god-awful cold.. the lowest it got this year was -10 which is freakin' balmy for here in january :) although I don't miss the south.. I need my seasons.. it gives a sense to the passage of time, and sometimes a challenge (given that I walk to work only about 10 blocks.. but that can be a challenge sometimes.. especially during that ice storm.. now that was fun!) real quick though when my brother and I were young and living in champaign Ill. one day (and I was in 3rd grade he was in 1st) we had a huge snow storm and it was no big deal, only about 6 inches so we walked to school.. as we did every day (it was only about a mile) well... we got there and much to our suprise the school was closed.. fortunately the janitor let us and and we called home.. damn beatnik parents :) I dunno, I had a blast walking in that much snow! moonboots rock!
cowhead • Mar 2, 2005 5:45 am
oh and the screwed up thing about walking.. I own 2 cars actually SUVs (by the way anyone interested in a '93 pathfinder XE?).. and haven't driven (although I LOVE to drive) since last March
Catwoman • Mar 2, 2005 6:27 am
xoxoxoBruce wrote:
It's what we live with, work around...


Quite. Finally something in the 'current events' section that has a direct impact on our lives, and is both relevant and observable.

It's raining here.
Griff • Mar 2, 2005 7:05 am
I think I overstated the snow because of the drifting. Of course it is snowing right now.
LabRat • Mar 2, 2005 9:45 am
cowhead wrote:
one day we had a huge snow storm ...so we walked to school.. we got there and much to our suprise the school was closed..


HA HA!!!! I am so glad that I am not the only one who has ever done this. I lived close enough to walk to my school(s) also, and though I don't remember too many details, I do remember walking thru a snowstorm and finding I was locked out of school ([SIZE=1]um, except it was high school[/SIZE]), only to find out it was cancelled after I finally gave up and went back home. Boy did I feel dumb.
dar512 • Mar 2, 2005 9:52 am
cowhead wrote:
oh and the screwed up thing about walking.. I own 2 cars actually SUVs (by the way anyone interested in a '93 pathfinder XE?).. and haven't driven (although I LOVE to drive) since last March

Isn't it bad to leave a car sitting that long?
wolf • Mar 2, 2005 1:53 pm
Yeah. It hurts their feelings. They get jealous of the other cars.
wolf • Mar 5, 2005 3:42 am
I finally got around to extracting the snow pics from my camera ...

Image

If you have trouble finding your car in the snow, leaving the lights on may help ...


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It seemed like it wasn't going to stop



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But it eventually did and there are signs that spring is just around the corner. Somewhere. Maybe lurking in a dark alley or something ...



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and sometimes you don't know what you're taking a picture of until you get it out of the camera.
404Error • Mar 5, 2005 9:29 pm
wolf wrote:
and sometimes you don't know what you're taking a picture of until you get it out of the camera.


Okay...so, um, what is it? :confused:
wolf • Mar 6, 2005 1:36 am
I'll let people speculate for a while before I give the answer.

If it's really making you crazy, PM me.
Griff • Mar 6, 2005 8:13 am
cigarette smoke?
Perry Winkle • Mar 6, 2005 9:41 am
Looks like the vapor trail that follows me for a few days after going out for indian food.
wolf • Mar 6, 2005 12:18 pm
Griff wins.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 6, 2005 1:44 pm
and sometimes you don't know what you're taking a picture of until you get it out of the camera.
Looks like Deep Purple. ;)
FloridaDragon • Mar 6, 2005 8:37 pm
Just had a blizzard here....well, ok. it was a dairy queen butterfinger blizzard... and we ate it in the hottub ... because it is a cool 62 degrees out there in So. FL right now...was a sunny and in the 70s earlier.... guess I better pipe down, huh?
Griff • Mar 6, 2005 8:39 pm
Oh I don't know, we had friends over and xc skiied for two hours this afternoon. It was pretty sweet.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 8, 2005 6:43 pm
FloridaDragon wrote:
Just had a blizzard here....well, ok. it was a dairy queen butterfinger blizzard... and we ate it in the hottub ... because it is a cool 62 degrees out there in So. FL right now...was a sunny and in the 70s earlier.... guess I better pipe down, huh?
And how far off is hurricane season? :p
404Error • Mar 8, 2005 7:19 pm
FloridaDragon wrote:
Just had a blizzard here....well, ok. it was a dairy queen butterfinger blizzard... and we ate it in the hottub ... because it is a cool 62 degrees out there in So. FL right now...was a sunny and in the 70s earlier.... guess I better pipe down, huh?


Geez FD, I hope you didn't get 'brain freeze' from eating it too fast. :yelsick:
wolf • Mar 9, 2005 4:14 pm
We had 60 degree F temps too ... unfortunately they were immediately follwed by the 20s with extremely high winds. Oh. But I must sing the praises of the Amazing Ice Cleat Rubbers (not their real name) that I bought from QVC because the on air demo looked really, really good.

They work as well as they showed on TV. Better even, since I had a more complex task than dancing on a block of ice set at a slight incline.

The rain that fell Monday Night froze into a gigantic ice sheet on the sidewalks and parking lot on Tuesday morning and did not melt for Tuesday afternoon when I had to go to work.

The cleats dig well into the thick ice, but also provide good traction on the thin, infamous "black ice" that strikes fear into the hearts of ambulatory people everywhere.
FloridaDragon • Mar 10, 2005 12:01 am
xoxoxoBruce wrote:
And how far off is hurricane season? :p

point taken :dead:

but then again, what are the ODDS of getting hit again (he says as he warily looks around waiting for the lightning bolt to strike) ??
OnyxCougar • Mar 10, 2005 10:48 am
Getting hit with a hurricane? In Florida?

Probably about the same as getting hit with a hurricane in North Carolina.....
BigV • Mar 10, 2005 3:03 pm
A drought in Seattle, and for the rest of the state as well. Who says it always rains in Seattle?
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 10, 2005 9:59 pm
If it's yellow, let it mellow.
If it's brown, flush it down. :o
Gravdigr • Dec 13, 2010 1:32 am
RFN it's eighteen degrees, snowing sideways, with a howling west wind.



It ain't a fit night out for man nor beast.

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Trilby • Dec 13, 2010 4:43 am
we got the snow but no wind. I"m a bit disappointed. I wanted a howler!
Trilby • Dec 13, 2010 5:07 am
wait a sec...here comes the blow-blow!!!!!
Trilby • Dec 13, 2010 7:59 am
Brianna;699806 wrote:
wait a sec...here comes the blow-blow!!!!!


Nope. Premature blow-blow.

Nothing yet.

Sigh.
glatt • Dec 13, 2010 8:35 am
I'm glad I don't live in the midwest. I'm not ready for that kind of snow. We had a dusting this morning. The grass is sort of white. The streets are wet. No complaints.
Gravdigr • Jun 12, 2011 6:37 pm
RFA week & a half ago. That was the roughest hour of weather I've seen in a long time.
BigV • Sep 12, 2011 11:37 am
Today's high is predicted to peak at 77 degrees F. If so, it will mark the end of a record setting heat wave. Yesterday was the ninth consecutive day of temperatures of 80 degrees F or higher. The previous record was six consecutive days. I'm very glad for the break. It has been miserable.
Clodfobble • Sep 12, 2011 9:47 pm
I'm sorry, I know the "Texas is so hot" thing is totally old and busted... but seriously? We have just gotten down to the low 80s, at least in the morning/midday, for the first time in months (including overnights!) and everyone here is so relieved.

And I know, I know you guys don't really have air conditioners in homes there, so it's not a fair comparison. But on the other hand, we keep our house at 80 in the summers to save on the electric bills.
zippyt • Sep 12, 2011 11:39 pm
Windows open , attic fan has been on , but thats Too Chillie Right now
ZenGum • Sep 13, 2011 12:15 am
ninth consecutive day of temperatures of 80 degrees F or higher




:lol2:


Wut Clod said. Still, allowing for humidity and lack of air conditioning, it's ... mildly unpleasant.

ETA:

That's not a heat wave. This is a heat wave:

Adelaide, Australia
January 2009

26th – 36.6 °C (97.9 °F)
27th – 43.2 °C (109.8 °F)
28th – 45.7 °C (114.3 °F)
29th – 43.4 °C (110.1 °F)
30th – 43.1 °C (109.6 °F)
31st – 41.1 °C (106.0 °F)
February

1st – 40.6 °C (105.1 °F)
2nd – 38.8 °C (101.8 °F)
3rd – 36.3 °C (97.3 °F)
4th - 33.0 °C (91.4 °F)
5th - 35.6 °C (96.1 °F)
6th – 43.9 °C (111.0 °F)
7th - 41.5 °C (106.7 °F)
Sundae • Oct 6, 2011 4:25 pm
After an Indian Summer, the weather has finally borken.
It's been humid for the last two days (which has made me sweat like a racehorse), but today was sunny, breezy and with a drop in temperature.

In the last 20 minutes the rain has begun to pound against the window.

I'm wondering if the drop in pressure is what's making me weepy.
I haven't cried without a specific trigger for a long time now.

From the sound of things it will be wellies and leggings and a vest to walk in. Then blouse and skirt and ballet shoes inside.

Mum doesn't get that wearing a jacket or coat does not help in the rain. If you are walking a mile, you can keep your head and shoulders dry with an umbrella. But arriving steaming like a faulty kettle because of an extra layer is never going to appeal.

Still, it's evocative and safe when it's chucking it down outside, esp as I know both cats are warm and dry.
BigV • Oct 6, 2011 4:59 pm
Being dry is the key, letting your own body's moisture regulate your temperature via sweating. Rain... rain I know.

This season's weather though? WTF. Yesterday was the first snowfall of the season here, at Paradise Lodge, 80 miles to the south and about 5000 feet up from my location. I celebrated this news by clipping a couple stems of new rose blossoms from my front yard. And I have a dozen buds that will open over the course of the next week. Roses in mid October? I can't keep track anymore. But they do smell wonderful.
BrilliantDisguise • Oct 7, 2011 9:40 am
Beautiful sunny, cool fall day here in New Jersey. This is my favorite time of year.:)
Trilby • Oct 7, 2011 11:42 am
It's gonna be 80 here tomorrow.

It's really nice out - blue blue skies and gold sun showing off but, honey, 80 is too damn much for me even in October.
SamIam • Oct 7, 2011 11:44 am
We actually had snow here in town yesterday. It NEVER snows so early around here! Then we had a cold snap last night. I have (had) two huge tubs of flowers by my front door that I didn't think to cover. So much for them. :(

My cats took one look at the weather yesterday and haven't been outside since.
TheMercenary • Oct 7, 2011 3:05 pm
80's here in the day, lows in the low 60's. The weather is freaking beautiful.
Gravdigr • Oct 7, 2011 4:54 pm
80s last couple of days, with lows in the high 40s/low 50s.

It's been pretty damn nice around South Central lately.

ETA: A bit dry, though. We'll be breaking the law if'n we have a fire tonight.
Lamplighter • Oct 7, 2011 5:24 pm
PDX has one of those dreary, damp days in between summer and the rainy season...

That doesn't start until Nov 15th at 2:45 am
HungLikeJesus • Oct 8, 2011 10:45 am
Last night I was out on motorcycle. Today we have a few inches of snow.
BrilliantDisguise • Oct 8, 2011 11:41 am
Gorgeous day here today. Currently 69, blue skies, slight breeze. Perfect!
glatt • Oct 8, 2011 11:58 am
Here too. Spectacular.

So why are we on the computer?
BrilliantDisguise • Oct 8, 2011 12:20 pm
glatt;761798 wrote:
Here too. Spectacular.

So why are we on the computer?


I don't know! I'm heading out later. Enjoying a cup of coffee now and listening to music. And talking to you guys.:)
zippyt • Oct 8, 2011 12:25 pm
75 out side and in , windows open Attic fan going , AHHHHHHHH !!
Griff • Oct 8, 2011 1:22 pm
75 sunny, low humidity, close enough to perfect
HungLikeJesus • Oct 8, 2011 3:37 pm
Still snowing here. We've probably got 5 or 6 inches.
glatt • Oct 8, 2011 3:44 pm
Sorry, man. That sucks. Too soon for snow.
BrilliantDisguise • Oct 8, 2011 3:59 pm
HungLikeJesus;761847 wrote:
Still snowing here. We've probably got 5 or 6 inches.


Where you at? A friend of mine in Idaho has been getting lots of snow too.

OK, I'm out the door now to enjoy the day. :)
Lamplighter • Oct 14, 2011 2:13 am
Hey, did you catch the moon and Jupiter playing footsie tonight ?

PDX is clear, low 50's and no breeze - nice to be outside
Trilby • Oct 14, 2011 12:29 pm
Fookin' Stunning here today.

breezy, sunny, and COOL!
Pico and ME • Oct 14, 2011 12:33 pm
Lamplighter;763622 wrote:
Hey, did you catch the moon and Jupiter playing footsie tonight ?

PDX is clear, low 50's and no breeze - nice to be outside


:yesnod: They were both so bright.
Griff • Oct 27, 2011 7:20 pm
3" of snow so far...
TheMercenary • Oct 27, 2011 7:21 pm
77 degrees here today. Lovely. I don't miss the snow one bit.
HungLikeJesus • Oct 27, 2011 8:15 pm
It was 7° this morning and it took me almost half an hour to scrape the snow and ice off my car.

We got a lot of snow, but it wasn't very deep.
wolf • Oct 29, 2011 6:16 pm
Rain-sleet-freezing rain-snow-sleet-snow-freezing rain ...

Good thing the tree outside my patio still has all that Fall moisture and plyability on board ... it's bent nearly to the ground from the weight of the snow and ice but isn't showing signs of having limbs crack off.

My lights keep flickering ... not sure how long power will stay up. Hopefully the Kindle will finish charging before I lose power. At least I finished dinner, already, and have plenty of stuff that's good to eat cold ... maybe I should do up a thermos or two of tea while I'm thinking of it ...

All of this reminds me of my childhood, though. Snow for Halloween makes me nostalgic.

When you live near Chicago you make sure your Halloween costume fits over a snowsuit.
Pete Zicato • Oct 29, 2011 6:20 pm
This year we're doing better than you. Mostly sunny and 50s today.
Lamplighter • Oct 29, 2011 8:52 pm
Beautiful sunny autumn day in PDX...
Lamplighter • Oct 30, 2011 10:46 am
I thought they were predicting only a couple of inches of snow... Wow !

The combination of heavy, wet snow, leaf-laden trees and frigid,
gusting winds brought down limbs and power lines.
At least three deaths were blamed on the weather, and states of emergency
were declared in New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts and parts of New York.

The storm worsened as it moved north, and communities
in western Massachusetts were among the hardest hit.
Snowfall totals topped 27 inches in Plainfield, and
nearby Windsor had gotten 26 inches by early Sunday.


"It's a little startling. I mean, it's only October," said Craig Brodur,
who was playing keno with a friend at Northampton Convenience in western Massachusetts.
Trilby • Oct 30, 2011 3:20 pm
It's very good vampire weather here in the Ohio valley.

Cool air.

Raw umber; crispy leaves swirling about. :ghost: weather.
wolf • Oct 30, 2011 4:27 pm
My power stayed up all night, only a couple of flickers. I just learned, though, that friends of mine further North (up where Berks, Lehigh, Montgomery, and Bucks meet) have been without power for 26 hours. They do have a generator, but their refrigerator seems not to be functioning at all, and they have no water.

What is very frustrating is that I have not been able to find any information about dry ice distrubtion by the power companies (there are at least three involved up in that area ... I've checked the power companies, the local newspapers, and local TV and Radio. Nothing.
TheMercenary • Oct 31, 2011 2:29 am
In the 60's today, had a great ride on the motorcycle. It is truly lovely in the South, no reason to ever live where it snows.
Major Matt Mason • Oct 31, 2011 6:13 am
Clear and cool here in the Ozarks (38°).

-MMM-
Griff • Oct 31, 2011 6:25 am
Gorgeous weekend here, 4 inches of snow cover and bright blue skies.
wolf • Oct 31, 2011 9:19 am
TheMercenary;768370 wrote:
In the 60's today, had a great ride on the motorcycle. It is truly lovely in the South, no reason to ever live where it snows.


May through September.

Humidity.

Bugs.

Robert Byrd.
Pete Zicato • Oct 31, 2011 11:26 pm
wolf;768405 wrote:

Humidity.

Bugs.

These.
Lamplighter • Nov 9, 2011 10:34 pm
Washington Post
Nov 9, 2011

Alaska storm brings ‘epic’ flooding, snowy weather and strong winds
A storm of hurricane-like size with unusual intensity
has begun pounding the western coast of Alaska, bringing huge waves,
high winds, flooding and blinding snow.

A storm of historic intensity continues to pound the west coast of Alaska today.
Twice the size of Texas, the storm is as deep as a category 3 hurricane.
The National Weather Service is calling it a “life-threatening epic storm”
due to its dangerous combination of towering waves (observed at 40 feet in the Bering Sea),
winds over 100 mph, storm surge flooding, and blinding snow.

“People out there are used to extreme weather,
but this is not a normal storm,” said Jeremy Zidek,
a spokesman for the state’s emergency management agency.
“This is of a magnitude that can be a storm of record,
extremely dangerous, and the state is treating it as such.”


Our PDX news media are predicting this storm will reach the Pacific Northwest on Saturday,
and will bring heavy rains to the valleys and snow to the mountains
on thru the middle of the next week

Guess what the East Coast will get for Thanksgiving.
.
Lamplighter • Nov 17, 2011 12:43 pm
Lamplighter;771510 wrote:

Our PDX news media are predicting this storm will reach the Pacific Northwest on Saturday,
and will bring heavy rains to the valleys and snow to the mountains
on thru the middle of the next week

Guess what the East Coast will get for Thanksgiving.
.


This storm went thru PDX last night. It's scary when the trees are being blown about.
Fortunately, this Doug Fir limb missed the two cars parked here.
(The van was already damaged, so no harm done there)
.
classicman • Nov 17, 2011 12:56 pm
Lamplighter;773650 wrote:
(The van was already damaged, so no harm done there).


Too Bad? Coulda maybe gotten it fixed under your insurance :yelgreedy
ZenGum • Nov 17, 2011 5:10 pm
37 degrees centigrade here today, with increasing humidity and probably showers with a chance of thunder in the afternoon.

Mid 20s for the following five days, though. :)
Aliantha • Nov 17, 2011 5:28 pm
You lot have weird fluctuations down there don't you? Up here we just get hot and steamy. Once it starts, it doesn't really stop till next autumn.
ZenGum • Nov 17, 2011 5:41 pm
We either get the hot dry northerlies blasting off the central desert, tropical moisture feeding down through a trough, or a lovely cool change off the southern ocean.

The cool changes are wonderful. When it drops from 40 degrees to 25 in the space of an hour or so, it is damn near orgasmic.
Aliantha • Nov 17, 2011 5:46 pm
Yeah, it's always nice to get a respite from the heat. The best places we have to go are the mountain creeks. They're always cold, and usually the temp is a bit cooler too. Otherwise, even when we get a storm it doesn't cool down that much except sometimes if it's preceeded by a big blow for 10 mins. That breeze can be cool at times.
TheMercenary • Nov 21, 2011 2:57 pm
Current weather in Savannah, 76 degrees.
Lamplighter • Nov 22, 2011 9:48 am
Overnight 40-50 mph sustained winds with gusts to 80 on the Oregon coast.
Streams are going to flood stage due to warm rains melting last week's snow fall.
In PDX, a few trees have come down, but the biggest problem
is flooded intersections where leaves are clogging drains.
A few drivers are going too fast and get into hydroplaning.
Sundae • Nov 22, 2011 10:54 am
We're currently basking in unseasonal temperatures - 12 degrees today (37). Warm enough for me to walk to school in short sleeved tops at least.

Something to do with Gulf Stream air being trapped between two fronts. Or something something.

I don't like it.
We're even missing out on the fog which the rest of the South East is getting.
I like fog, I call it frog to myself and that pleases my simple mind. I correct the weather reporters when they say, "Delays at Heathrow due to the fog" (frog).

But I have a confirmed playdate with Tiger and his sister if we have a snow day.
Yay!
All the more reason it won't happen.
Why?
Sod's Law.
TheMercenary • Nov 22, 2011 10:57 pm
God God! In the 80's today! Beautiful......
Trilby • Dec 2, 2011 8:18 am
HOLY CRAP!

the sun is out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

fa-reeeky!
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 2, 2011 8:33 am
I sent it over... figured it would brighten your day. ;)
Sundae • Dec 15, 2011 1:46 pm
Depending on your perspective, we've either been promised or threatened with snow.
I'm being a nay-sayer, because the weather always breaks its promises.
The others are terrified because threats will do that to you.

FWIW my prediction is that parts of Bucks will get snow, especially on higher ground.
We won't, as we are in the Vale.
But of course this is partly me trying to double-bluff the weather - if I say it won't snow, it will, just to prove me wrong :)
GunMaster357 • Dec 15, 2011 4:00 pm
Here we're preparing to weather the first big winter storm:

6 meters waves on the shore
winds blowing at 130 km/h with a good probability of building up to 170 km/h

Fortunately the tide amplitude isn't big. Yet some low place have been alerted of possible submersion.


That's the situation right now and previsions for tomorrow are about the same.
GunMaster357 • Dec 16, 2011 12:06 pm
News reports state about 400000 houses without electricity this morning.
One cargo ship to the coast with a small pollution due to a ruptured fuel tank.

We're preparing for the next round tonight
GunMaster357 • Dec 16, 2011 12:14 pm
Ocean shore yesterday afternoon (2011-12-15) 40 kilometers SW of home
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Geneva lake this morning (2011-12-16) more than a thounsand kilometers away
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HungLikeJesus • Dec 16, 2011 12:23 pm
New Mapping Tool Reveals Thousands of Record-Breaking Extreme Weather Events in 2011

Interactive Online Map Shows Potential Long-Term Climate Impact in Every State; Prompts Calls for Action

NEW YORK (December 8, 2011) – In 2011, there were at least 2,941 monthly weather records broken in communities throughout the US., as detailed in a new interactive extreme weather mapping tool and year-end review released today by the Natural Resources Defense Council. The powerful web-based tool allows Americans to draw the connections between climate change and extreme weather in the cities and towns in which they live.

“From heat waves to floods to fires, 2011 was a year of extreme weather for communities throughout the United States. This alarming, yet illuminating data is indicative of what we can expect as climate change continues,” said Kim Knowlton, NRDC Senior Scientist who spearheaded the development of the web-based tool. “Actions can be taken today to limit the worst effects of climate change. Our leaders need to make climate change preparedness a priority, if these events will be occurring more frequently and with more intensity.”

The national survey provides a unique aggregation of state-by-state extreme weather, detailing a range of extreme weather events including record-breaking temperatures, rainfall and snowfall in each state. The survey found at least 1,302 heat-related records, 1,090 rainfall records and 549 snowfall records were broken in counties across the nation. Especially hard-hit regions include the Midwest and Northeast, which endured heavy flooding and the greater Texas region, which endured an extended period of wildfires, extreme heat and drought. ....

For more information about this year’s record-breaking extreme weather events, see:

[LIST]
[*] NRDC’s Extreme Weather Mapping Tool
[*] NRDC’s climate-health vulnerability maps
[*] NRDC’s blog series detailing stories of real families, businesses and communities impacted by severe weather:
[LIST]
[*] NRDC executive director Peter Lehner on the financial hardship of extreme events
[*] Agriculture specialist Dana Gunders on the toll on farmers
[*] Physician Gina Solomon on the human impact: life in the aftermath
[*] Health and climate scientist Kim Knowlton on the public health impact
[/LIST]

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Lamplighter • Dec 16, 2011 2:35 pm
[QUOTE=GunMaster357;780817]Ocean shore yesterday afternoon (2011-12-15) 40 kilometers SW of home
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Geneva lake this morning (2011-12-16) more than a thounsand kilometers away
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Wow ! Great videos

Waves breaking on rocky cliffs are great viewing, but can be Darwin at his quickest.

Stay Safe
TheMercenary • Dec 16, 2011 2:40 pm
73 degrees again today! Sweet!
HungLikeJesus • Dec 16, 2011 2:45 pm
53 degrees here. Doesn't that sound nice?

That's inside the house, by the way.
TheMercenary • Dec 16, 2011 2:47 pm
You probably use centigrade.
Sundae • Dec 16, 2011 2:49 pm
We had the perfect weather today. Big fat flakes of snow (I was wrong) which did not settle (I was right) when the children came into school.
They tailed off by playtime and we also had a normal lunchtime ("Wet lunch" is a horror as the children are penned into classrooms).

The sun came out mid-morning, so it was a jolly end to the school day, which finished at 13.00.

And with the clouds it was nowhere near as cold as it has been.
I don't mind, but I have some childer who are dispossessed of gloves - their poor little fingers are freezing. And my poor big ears are tired of the moaning.
GunMaster357 • Dec 16, 2011 4:28 pm
Lamplighter;780855 wrote:
Waves breaking on rocky cliffs are great viewing, but can be Darwin at his quickest.

Stay Safe


Don't worry, I intend to do so. And it's not the worst storm I have seen.

In October 1987 (I was in high school), we had one with winds that registered up to 230 km/h before anemometers broke.
Lamplighter • Dec 21, 2011 10:08 pm
Happy Shortest Day of the Year to all North Hemispherics.
Days get longer from here on out.

For South Hemispherics, turnabout is fair play.
tw • Dec 22, 2011 3:50 am
Lamplighter;782082 wrote:
Days get longer from here on out.
Finally. Summer. I cannot wait.

I'm looking forward to all that rain.
Lamplighter • Dec 22, 2011 9:06 am
Patience, patience, my dear Dr. W, patience.
All things come to those who wait.
etc., etc., ...
HungLikeJesus • Dec 22, 2011 9:19 am
I can't leave my house (at least that's what I'm telling work). The snow is 26 inches deep against the front door. But I could go out the sliding door and jump off the 2nd floor deck.
glatt • Dec 22, 2011 9:27 am
Open the door and take a picture for us! I want to see the wall of snow.
Lamplighter • Dec 22, 2011 9:31 am
I want to see a big, deep snow angel.
HungLikeJesus • Dec 22, 2011 11:57 am
glatt;782154 wrote:
Open the door and take a picture for us! I want to see the wall of snow.


I thought I made these both the same size, but apparently not.

The first one is the front door (which opens outward) and the second is looking through the door at the driveway. They were taken about two hours ago.

You might notice that the floor under the door is not level.

My wife's going to have some shoveling to do today!
classicman • Dec 22, 2011 12:20 pm
Damn that there is some good insulation!
infinite monkey • Dec 22, 2011 1:27 pm
Oh. My. Gawd.

It's beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. But no I don't want to go out in it.
HungLikeJesus • Dec 22, 2011 1:40 pm
When my wife gets in from shoveling I'll ask her how it is. The last time I looked out the snow was up to her waist.

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infinite monkey • Dec 22, 2011 2:06 pm
Your poor wife! I bet she beats you with that shovel while you sleep. :lol:

Seriously, as a woman, what's the point of getting married if the man doesn't shovel the snow and kill the bugs? Huh? ;)
Pico and ME • Dec 22, 2011 2:12 pm
I'm usually the one who does the shoveling around here...but its because I am really ocd about snow removal.
glatt • Dec 22, 2011 2:56 pm
Awesome! Thanks for the pictures. It's more impressive than I had imagined.
TheMercenary • Dec 22, 2011 6:29 pm
82 Degrees today. God it is great to live in the South. I don't miss the snow. I can always visit the snow.
Trilby • Jan 2, 2012 8:48 am
Snow blitz here in Ohio.

Cold, snowy, blowy. Was evil looking outside yesterday with a red sky in the morning and the evening.

Supposed to get dumped on and today is the day son is moving out. He's started already which is a relief.
Sundae • Jan 2, 2012 9:58 am
This has been a typical New Year.
Low, overcast sky. Warm(ish) but with a bit of a biting wind.
By which I mean, when you go out in flip flops your toes will turn pink.

My most hated, horrible weather at pretty much my most hated horrible time of year.

I'm not big on Spring, as it is wet and muddy and everyone else is quoting drug-addled poets. And the sun is low in the sky and makes me sneeze (same as Autumn, but Autumn is pretty).

But at least you can see the coming leaves and flowers in Spring. New Year is neither here nor there. Typically in England it is no frost, no fog, no sparkles, no snow. Just the scrag end of Christmas with soggy grey cardboard put out for the bin-men and sad porridgey skies reflecting everyone's return to Puritanism after the blaze of colour that was Yuletide.

There.
Got that off my chest.
See you about half past May.
Griff • Jan 2, 2012 10:30 am
We're getting the leftovers from Brianna's snowfall. If it would just consolidate we could get a nice layer.
Trilby • Jan 8, 2012 9:41 am
I can't believe our luck!

third straight day of October blue skies, sun and a nice, snappy temp.!!

It can stay this way alllllllll winter long.
Griff • Jan 8, 2012 9:56 am
I just mtn biked but Pete is kinda pissed that her full moon skis have been eliminated so far...
Trilby • Jan 13, 2012 6:36 am
Oh here is Mister Winter!

sixteen degrees, light snow and verah, verah windah.
Griff • Jan 15, 2012 8:02 am
-1F this morning... ouch.
HungLikeJesus • Jan 15, 2012 9:46 am
I sympathize with you, we had minus zero earlier in the week.
Griff • Jan 15, 2012 11:38 am
Upside the snow conditions for XC skiing are really good except for the lack of base. We got out when it hit 9F. Here is what we skiied in the am.
BigV • Jan 15, 2012 3:32 pm
Yesterday morning:

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This morning the same.

But it didn't stick, it was dry by the end of the day.
Sundae • Jan 15, 2012 3:58 pm
Griff, don't worry about the girth, okay?
The length is fine.

(as if!)

V - Big Envy.
Two days of blue skies and hard frosts.
More, Please - Now.
Griff • Jan 15, 2012 4:17 pm
Oh noes!
HungLikeJesus • Jan 15, 2012 6:47 pm
V, the electrical distribution grid looks a little third-worldish.
Sundae • Jan 16, 2012 12:30 pm
Hard forst this morning.
More of the same tomorrow I hope.

Areas which did not get sunlight today were still frosty when I came out of school.
The water containers in the outside work area were frozen solid first thing, but sunlight (and inquisitive children) melted the ice slightly. It was approx 4cm thick when they managed to crack it.

They'd be made up if it was frozen again tomorrow.
If it sounds like it's going to be a cold one I'll take my camera with me tomorrow. I so rarely get to show you Winter here.
Lamplighter • Jan 17, 2012 2:00 pm
Historic winter storm to blast Northwest with heavy snow

I'll be surprised if this happens... PDX usually gets busted by the un-predicted storms.
We'll see...
Lamplighter • Jan 18, 2012 9:52 pm
Yesterday the prediction was for a "historic storm" in PDX... didn't happen.
A bit of snow during the night, but rain this a.m. melted it quickly.
The Oregon coast did get wind... 100+ mph in places.

The pic below is of the famous Heceta Head lighthouse which is barely visible across the distant bay.

Trees down and some damage to structures, but nothing that is not typical of Oregon coast storms.
If you ever get chance, check into an coastal motel for one of these storms... our storms are great entertainment.
ZenGum • Jan 19, 2012 12:05 am
31 deg C here today, the bluest sky possible. I might wander off from work early, I have a mate in town who I can hang out with. We might go for a hike or maybe to the beach.


:D
infinite monkey • Jan 19, 2012 7:04 pm
Nasty nasty roads. I got through before a bunch of crashes on the interstate. I got lucky for once. It's backed up for miles.

Tomorrow morning looks to be bad too. Hoping for delay or snow day, because it's going to be really icy.
HungLikeJesus • Jan 19, 2012 7:25 pm
Perhaps you should be safe and ride your bicycle.
classicman • Jan 19, 2012 7:37 pm
...with your headphones on.
infinite monkey • Jan 19, 2012 7:58 pm
But it's like 5 billion miles. :eek:

Uphill both ways.

maybe a moped.
BigV • Jan 20, 2012 10:24 am
It's been pretty snowy. Please, all my friends in Colorado, Pennsyltucky, Maine, etc. I know this is not a lot of snow, relative to the measurements recorded in some places. I know. We're snow lightweights here.

However. Our suffering is no less. We're unaccustomed to much snow here at sea level. And those parts that aren't at sea level usually aren't on any level at all. Lots of hills here. If you're place isn't on a hill, the place you want to get to is beyond several hills. Treacherous. I traveled a little to go get SonofV yesterday, here are some pictures of my journey.

My trusty steed, parked in relative shelter.
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I've never ridden the ferry in a snowstorm. It was cold and miserable and unphotogenic.
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Local firemen keeping their driveway clear.
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Cruddy slushy streets heading north along the water.
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BigV • Jan 20, 2012 10:37 am
Olympic Sculpture Park featuring typewriter eraser of the gods and a very hardcore bicyclist.
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My street. Not plowed. Seattle's VASTLY improved snow plan over the disaster of 2008 meant that side streets went unplowed. Fine.
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My snug little house under a blanket of snow. I think my stairs are in there somewhere...
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Side streets not plowed, arterials plowed. Here's one. Still LOTS of snow on the ground and too cold (thank goodness) to melt into slush.
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glatt • Jan 20, 2012 10:37 am
Yuck. Even an inch or two can be bad if your city has no snow removal equipment.
infinite monkey • Jan 20, 2012 10:41 am
4 degrees this morning.

For you people playing along at home in other countries, thats -15 C. Minus.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
BigV • Jan 20, 2012 10:42 am
They're skiiing on my street. I saw dozens of people skiing in the city. It was kinda cool.
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Those hills? See what I mean?
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Freeways open, this is I-5. I traveled between 30 and 45 mph the whole trip and that was *plenty* fast enough, thanks.
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Just a pretty shot of the neighborhood.
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We got home safely. Another snow day today, one they'll regret in June. It's supposed to warm up and rain today. That means lots of mess and local flooding.
HungLikeJesus • Jan 20, 2012 10:45 am
From the picture of your house, it's apparent that you don't get much snow. Otherwise you wouldn't have those bushes growing right up against the steps and sidewalk.

How are you going to shovel that?
BigV • Jan 20, 2012 10:47 am
glatt;789384 wrote:
Yuck. Even an inch or two can be bad if your city has no snow removal equipment.


2008 was a complete disaster. Wrong plan, wrong things done, wrong routes plowed, etc. I heard a very loud and clear refutation of that stupid plan of 2008 on the radio several times and one of the announcements said "all thirty pieces of snow removal equipment (vehicles) were continuously active throughout the city", with the drivers all working in shifts. It was a much better plan, though a much lesser storm. Thirty rigs for all of Seattle. I think that's a good number. We don't get the snow much, but usually every year. I wouldn't want a vast fleet of expensive equipment idle 360 days a year.
glatt • Jan 20, 2012 10:53 am
Seriously? Only 30 for a city the size of Seattle? How many miles of roads does Seattle have? Do the math.
infinite monkey • Jan 20, 2012 10:55 am
HungLikeJesus;789390 wrote:
From the picture of your house, it's apparent that you don't get much snow. Otherwise you wouldn't have those bushes growing right up against the steps and sidewalk.

How are you going to shovel that?


He called your wife to come over and shovel it. :lol2:

(running joke, peeps, don't freak.)
glatt • Jan 20, 2012 11:02 am
glatt;789400 wrote:
Seriously? Only 30 for a city the size of Seattle? How many miles of roads does Seattle have? Do the math.


the answer is apparently 3,943 lane miles, which is less than I was expecting. That's only 130 miles for each truck. That's not so bad.
Pico and ME • Jan 20, 2012 11:09 am
I hear you about the hills. I feared snow/ice storms during the time I lived in Cincinnati, and I had a little front wheel drive at the time.
BigV • Jan 20, 2012 11:16 am
HungLikeJesus;789390 wrote:
From the picture of your house, it's apparent that you don't get much snow. Otherwise you wouldn't have those bushes growing right up against the steps and sidewalk.

How are you going to shovel that?


Yes, Mr Colorado, I know it's not a lot of snow compared to what you get in your area. For us, it's a significant snowfall. In addition to the icestorm following, it was a problem. I just heard on the radio they're closing a major transit tunnel through downtown to clear icicles. Really. That's a new one. Also, the Governor has declared a state of emergency. One of the features of that act means that she can use her emergency powers to temporarily waive the work hours rules for truck drivers transporting dairy products. This means they can drive when available rather than having to stand down for the mandatory rest periods helping to keep the perishable milk from .. perishing?

As to your last question, the answer is downhill.
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HungLikeJesus • Jan 20, 2012 11:25 am
Tell my wife I said hello
BigV • Jan 20, 2012 11:25 am
Yes, dear.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 24, 2012 1:16 am
BigV;789391 wrote:
I wouldn't want a vast fleet of expensive equipment idle 360 days a year.
Most places put plows and sanders on dump trucks, and plows on garbage trucks. Throw in some front end loaders and that's the snow emergency equipment, nothing sits idle all year.
HungLikeJesus • Feb 2, 2012 3:02 pm
Sunny now, but:

... Winter Storm Warning remains in effect from 5 PM this
afternoon to 11 PM MST Friday...

* timing... snow will develop late this afternoon and continue
through Friday night. Moderate to heavy snow will develop
later this evening and continue through Friday... then
gradually decrease by Friday night.

* Snow accumulations... total accumulations of 14 to 24 inches can
be expected.

* Winds/visibility... northeast 10 to 20 mph. Visibilities will
be poor at times in areas of heavier snowfall and blowing
snow.

I think I'll be working from home tomorrow.

I hope it doesn't delay my flight on Saturday.
Sundae • Feb 2, 2012 3:17 pm
We might even have snow Saturday or Sunday.
Weather reporters are hedging their bets, depends on wind direction.

Snow please snow please snow please snow please snow please snow please snow please snow please snow please snow please snow please snow please snow please snow please snow please snow please snow please snow please snow please.

Well, you know the rest.
Just, like - snow please.

Some of the TAs want it on Monday (this is also possible) so we get a twice-in-a-lifetime Snow Day. But this term is hectic. Assessments (of the childer), observations (of the teachers - where the class is drilled for at least a week in advance to get a positive outcome) and me working with two lads on the autism spectrum not fond of disruption.

So I just want snow. Sunday would be perfect. No time off just snow.

Fainlights.
In case I was jinxed.
ZenGum • Feb 2, 2012 8:02 pm
The trick for teacher observations (it works with older kids, maybe not so well wiht yours) is to tellthe kids in advance that a child psychologist is visiting to observe THEIR behaviour. They'll be little angels for an hour while the observer is there. :D
Pico and ME • Feb 2, 2012 8:09 pm
So hows the snow HLJ?
HungLikeJesus • Feb 2, 2012 8:21 pm
It's just getting started.
Griff • Feb 2, 2012 9:32 pm
I miss snow.
HungLikeJesus • Feb 3, 2012 11:57 am
Does anybody know how to interpret this?
Statement as of 5:19 am MST on February 3, 2012

... Snowfall information for Denver International Airport...

.A diac2 120203 M dh1200/pp 0.15/sf 2.5/SD 3/pt5
I think it says:
There's no way your flight is getting out of here. Don't bother trying to get to the airport.
They've just increased the snow estimate:

* Snow accumulations... total accumulations for the foothills and
the mountains east of the Continental Divide will be 24 to 48
inches. For the mountains west of the Continental Divide... snow
amounts will be much less with accumulations of 2 to 8 inches
expected.
glatt • Feb 3, 2012 12:03 pm
48 inches in one storm? Holy crap.

Take pictures.
BigV • Feb 3, 2012 12:27 pm
HungLikeJesus;792738 wrote:
Does anybody know how to interpret this?
I think it says: They've just increased the snow estimate:



Statement as of 5:19 am MST on February 3, 2012

... Snowfall information for Denver International Airport...

.A diac2 120203 M dh1200/pp 0.15/sf 2.5/SD 3/pt5

don't recognize the leading ".A"

but...

here's where the key is, I believe:

http://www.aviationweather.gov/static/faq/


diac seems to be the location identifier (Denver International Airport Cupcake, I'm guessing)

Working on the rest.

eta:

I believe the string 120203 is yyyy mm dd forecast.
HungLikeJesus • Feb 3, 2012 1:07 pm
Cupcake?

Maybe that's because of the frosting.
Lamplighter • Feb 6, 2012 9:41 am
Happy Waitangi Day to all Kiwi's
Sundae • Feb 6, 2012 4:54 pm
I got my snowfall Saturday night.
It was poor.
Small and wet.

All gone today, and I spent most of Sunday in bed because this silly cold keeps coming and going.
Fingers crossed for longer, deeper and lasting longer. Soon.
infinite monkey • Feb 6, 2012 4:58 pm
It was poor.
Small and wet.


Sounds like one of my ex-boyfriends.
monster • Feb 6, 2012 6:45 pm
I wore shorts outside today. In the first week of February. In Michigan. There is no snow in sight. Usually, we're at least a foot under and haven't seen the grass for two months.
HungLikeJesus • Feb 6, 2012 10:09 pm
It's in a baggie under the couch cushion.
Griff • Feb 7, 2012 6:29 am
Ha!
glatt • Feb 7, 2012 9:04 am
Sundae;793274 wrote:
I got my snowfall Saturday night.
It was poor.
Small and wet.

That's more than we've seen around here.
infinite monkey • Feb 7, 2012 9:50 am
I hate winter. I hate snow. I hate cold.

HOWEVER, if it's going to be winter, be freaking winter. I want blizzards and snow days and hibernation and bleakness.

Those are the kinds of days that make the first days of spring so special. A tough winter makes the spring feel like a time of renewal, of starting over. The first days of open windows or lidless cars, the people outside with silly grins on their faces after being basically holed up (as best they can be) for a few months, kids playing outside, going for walks, flowers poking through where only a month or so before it was blankets of snow, then mud, then beauty.

This winter sucks, and it may as well be called The Longest Fall.
Lamplighter • Feb 7, 2012 9:57 am
Nice
BigV • Feb 7, 2012 10:46 am
infinite monkey;793374 wrote:
I hate winter. I hate snow. I hate cold.

HOWEVER, if it's going to be winter, be freaking winter. I want blizzards and snow days and hibernation and bleakness.

Those are the kinds of days that make the first days of spring so special. A tough winter makes the spring feel like a time of renewal, of starting over. The first days of open windows or lidless cars, the people outside with silly grins on their faces after being basically holed up (as best they can be) for a few months, kids playing outside, going for walks, flowers poking through where only a month or so before it was blankets of snow, then mud, then beauty.

This winter sucks, and it may as well be called The Longest Fall.


Except for the hating cold part, I agree. But since we've had a real snowfall, I'd say Fall is done, Winter is done. It is Spring now. Cherry blossoms on the trees in the neighborhood. New rosebuds on my roses just outside my window. Driving around with the windows down. Wearing just a t-shirt. Spring.
Lamplighter • Feb 7, 2012 10:51 am
:D... and then the rains came and came and ca. . .
infinite monkey • Feb 7, 2012 11:26 am
It's still February. It's Ohio. We WILL have substantial snowfall in February and March, maybe even April.

So it's not Spring, by a long shot. It's still The Longest Fall.
Beest • Feb 7, 2012 12:31 pm
I'm Sooorrry , It's all my fault (TM)

At New Years we had a noob expat family over, only bee here a couple of months. I joked with the guy, oh yeah, it's mild now but by late January it will be 10 degrees (f) maximum and so much snow theres nowhere to shovel it. I almost made a bet, but didn't because I know my luck, (unlucky at cards....)
Sundae • Feb 7, 2012 3:47 pm
Two quick pics for you.

Gritting lorry going by as the snow started falling Saturday night (to come to nothing as documented above).

Hard frost on the gate into the churchyard I cut through on my way to school.
glatt • Feb 7, 2012 3:56 pm
I like the gate shot!
infinite monkey • Feb 7, 2012 4:01 pm
Me too. The frost patterns are cool.
HungLikeJesus • Feb 7, 2012 5:52 pm
BigV;793384 wrote:
... Driving around with the windows down. Wearing just a t-shirt. Spring.


Better hope you don't get pulled over.
BigV • Feb 7, 2012 7:12 pm
Yeah, I don't like getting pulled over in those situations. I prefer being pulled in other, more pleasant directions.
ZenGum • Feb 8, 2012 6:45 am
Meanwhile, a huge mass of arctic air has been swirled down over Europe and brought remarkable cold. There is sea ice on the Black Sea and in Venice's lagoons.
glatt • Feb 8, 2012 9:04 am
Yeah, and the Dutch are going to have their famous long distance canal ice skating race for the first time in ages.

Go Hans Brinker!
Sundae • Feb 8, 2012 3:52 pm
Snow flurries were hinted at here.
We had a few floating icy drops at lunchtime.

Once you added windchill, our region was supposed to be the coldest in the country.
I had my jacket unzipped in the still air even at 16.00, waiting for the bus.
It just did not feel all that cold. Not warm, but not headline-inducing freeze.

Early warnings issued for significant snowfall on Friday.
Nowhere near me though.
We're just too protected here!

Then again, I remember my fury at the winds in Leicester, and how I couldn't walk anywhere without hair in my face, so I suppose I should be grateful.

Temps still apparently low here, wind from the East (Scandinavia and Russia that way)
We're currently dry with no frost, no snow and no freezing fog. Although the ground is hard frozen, which means I can cut through the churchyard without slipping on the mud.
Lamplighter • Mar 3, 2012 10:24 am
For those of you watching the US news today, it's nothing but TORNADOS !
At least 96 tornados were reported on Friday, 3/2/12

Mostly, our TV is showing only clips of the devastation in a few hard-hit towns,
but to appreciate what was going on yesterday, maybe this weather map will help...

Here is a link to the Wundermap.com... a customizable website for weather geeks and laymen.

http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=45.41564560&lon=-122.52427673&zoom=10&pin=Portland%2c%20OR
ZenGum • Mar 3, 2012 6:35 pm
Holy moly. Stay safe, folks.

Tornadoes are scary because they're so sudden. At least with hurricanes and cyclones you get warning. These buggers leap on you with maybe two minutes notice if you're lucky.
infinite monkey • Mar 3, 2012 7:55 pm
I was glad to see Grav post here today, after hearing of the tornado destruction in KY.
Griff • Mar 3, 2012 7:57 pm
Yeah, its been crazy down there.
BigV • Mar 8, 2012 5:58 pm
snowing Tues. 60 deg today.
Clodfobble • Mar 10, 2012 6:03 pm
OMG rain. Rain rain rain.

It has been raining almost nonstop for a week and a half. I mean, yes, we wanted to put a definitive end to the drought, but dammit. My backyard is up to 4 inches deep in some places.
ZenGum • Mar 10, 2012 6:13 pm
Ahh, Clod, I know that scene. Very familiar one here. We have a pome about it.

http://www.middlemiss.org/lit/authors/obrienj/poetry/hanrahan.html
Lamplighter • Mar 19, 2012 10:03 pm
Happy Vernal Equinox to everyone...

Spring in PDX is the appearance of daffodils and triliums.
Ibby • Mar 19, 2012 11:08 pm
Record high temps here in Burlington yesterday and today. Nearly 80, and hardly a cloud in the sky.
tw • Mar 19, 2012 11:24 pm
April 12 was when the baseball season started. It was also the day that leaves came out on trees.

Well they keep advancing Opening Day. But the weather keeps advancing even faster. Yesterday, the first leaves have sprung from some trees. Baseball is going to have to start their season weeks earlier.
infinite monkey • Mar 20, 2012 9:50 am
We should go straight from football to baseball. Skip basketball altogether.

The trees on campus are all flowery. And it's only March.
Blueflare • Mar 20, 2012 12:03 pm
Warmth and sunshine has the awful neighbours outside, where their noises bother me more. Curse you, spring.
On the bright side I had quite a nice little walk this afternoon.
DanaC • Mar 20, 2012 12:12 pm
Carrot had a nice play in mum's garden this aft. Spring has sprung.
infinite monkey • Mar 20, 2012 2:40 pm
Blueflare;802549 wrote:
Warmth and sunshine has the awful neighbours outside, where their noises bother me more. Curse you, spring.
On the bright side I had quite a nice little walk this afternoon.


You reminded me of my favorite spring poem, Blueflare.

Posting a little early this year:

Spring
By Edna St. Vincent Millay 1892&#8211;1950


To what purpose, April, do you return again?
Beauty is not enough.
You can no longer quiet me with the redness
Of little leaves opening stickily.
I know what I know.
The sun is hot on my neck as I observe
The spikes of the crocus.
The smell of the earth is good.
It is apparent that there is no death.
But what does that signify?
Not only under ground are the brains of men
Eaten by maggots.
Life in itself
Is nothing,
An empty cup, a flight of uncarpeted stairs.
It is not enough that yearly, down this hill,
April
Comes like an idiot, babbling and strewing flowers.
wolf • Mar 20, 2012 6:12 pm
Spring has definitely sprung here. My lawn was covered with Hispanic gentlemen yesterday, edging all of the beds. They have to come back for the mulching.

As I was driving around today, I saw a couple of spectacular dogwoods, and there is greenery erupting on the willows.
tw • Mar 22, 2012 2:56 am
wolf;802595 wrote:
Spring has definitely sprung here. My lawn was covered with Hispanic gentlemen
Do they intend to grow roots like flowers? Or just visit like insects?
Clodfobble • Mar 22, 2012 8:47 am
They prefer the term mariposas.
ZenGum • Mar 22, 2012 9:13 am
On the evening of the equinox, a cool wet southerly swept the summer hot air away, and we've had cool showery weather since.

Well, we'd been getting southerly fronts every couple of weeks or so all summer, but this one was quite well timed.
infinite monkey • Mar 22, 2012 9:16 am
We had summer, last summer, then fall, then summer again.

Eff this. Where's my spring?
Lamplighter • Mar 22, 2012 9:20 am
It's buried under the sloshy-wet, overnight snow here in PDX.

Daffodils look sad, camillias all doubled over, car tracks... not pretty.

Pray for sun
Trilby • Mar 22, 2012 11:06 am
It's HOT here in the Ohio valley! Too hot by far for measly old March
April is supposed to be all minty and diamonds dripping from fresh
spring rains on eerily green-glowing leaf babies...

It's all mixed up as it is July now. Grrrrrrrr.
Gravdigr • Mar 22, 2012 5:24 pm
Very warm for the last week here.

Started pouring an hour ago. Like the clouds have no bottom.
infinite monkey • Mar 22, 2012 6:50 pm
Yay...we're supposed to get rain starting after midnight and some of tomorrow. Probably not enough. If I don't get spring then give me thunderstorms NOW!
Aliantha • Mar 22, 2012 7:38 pm
Some areas just north of us (where ducksnuts now lives) had 9 inches of rain from 9am to 7pm yesterday.

It's been raining a lot in Qld this summer.
glatt • Mar 23, 2012 9:02 am
Sorry guys. I put some grass seed down on a big bare patch in the front yard a few days ago. So we won't be getting any rain on the East Coast for the next month.
Trilby • Mar 23, 2012 11:06 am
Rainy. Wow Ali - is ducks flooding????
tw • Mar 23, 2012 12:16 pm
glatt;803149 wrote:
I put some grass seed down on a big bare patch in the front yard a few days ago. So we won't be getting any rain on the East Coast for the next month.
You need rain? Just ask. I'll leave my sunroof open tonight. Guaranteed. It might only be a light shower. But it will rain.

Some charlatans actually charge money to make rain.
HungLikeJesus • Mar 23, 2012 5:06 pm
Brianna;803177 wrote:
Rainy. Wow Ali - is ducks flooding????


Ducks can swim.
infinite monkey • Mar 23, 2012 7:02 pm
Nice weather, if you're a duck! [/time-wornsaying]
Aliantha • Mar 23, 2012 8:30 pm
She's ok. Just a big cranky pants over it all. :)
Undertoad • Mar 23, 2012 9:36 pm
infinite monkey;803285 wrote:
Nice weather, if you're a duck! [/time-wornsaying]


don't mind if I do

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infinite monkey • Mar 23, 2012 9:42 pm
Bravo! I was chair dancing. Love it.
Sundae • Jun 23, 2012 7:22 am
Please report in Dani!

I know you were safe last night because you were posting, but do update us on the weather.

As far as your photos suggest, you live high on a hill. But your part of the world has been battered.
Todmorden, Hebden Bridge, Mytholmroyd - about 8-12 miles away and featuring on the national news. Okay they're the other side of Halifax, but if I was that close to flooding I would be concerned.

Are you going to get on the bus to help with the dampness? ;)
DanaC • Jun 23, 2012 8:40 am
Ahehe. Nah, we fine in Northowram. Heavy winds and lot of rain, but nothing too bad. Half expecting Ma's house to flood at any time though. It's built into a hill, so the damp comes through the back wall, and if the hill becomes waterlogged it might flood like it did a few years ago.
infinite monkey • Jun 23, 2012 8:43 am
We could use some of your rain. Where are my summer storms? It's just hot and muggy. Alerts on electronic highway signs "Air advisory...carpool" and I'm like "not possible" as I'm driving into this airless smelly City of Smog.
Sundae • Jun 24, 2012 9:30 am
They have flood sirens in Dana's part of the world. Adapted from the old air raid sirens.
(Hmmmm, that might be a poor comparison - did you ever have air raid sirens in the US?)

Must be terrifying to hear them.
Ooh! Found this on YouTube. Todmorden is close to Dana, as above.
Although this clip is of a test they were sounded this week...
[YOUTUBE]IWRiVRF2EGQ[/YOUTUBE]
DanaC • Jun 24, 2012 9:33 am
Yeesh. That's a shiver down the spine sound alright. Haven't had any of that on my side of the valley.

But I know they'reve been bailing out shops and schools in Hebbers.


Glorious sunshine out there right now. Yesterday you couldnt see for the rain. half expected to see animals marching two by two.

Glad the weather calmed. Today was when the Olympic torch came through Halifax. Via the Bradford road, which took it along the outskirts of my village and past Stump Cross at the bottom of the hill, where my Bro and his family live.

Local radio took a roving report from our Sophie, who was stationed in town at the Piece Hall for the ceremonial stuff.

Quite exciting really.
Gravdigr • Jun 25, 2012 5:33 pm
Sundae;816647 wrote:
...did you ever have air raid sirens in the US?)


Yes we had 'em. All over.

By the time I came along, they weren't 'air raid sirens' anymore. For a lot of years the old air raid siren, on the city square, was sounded every Friday at noon. We could hear it waaaay out in the county. Took forever to wind up/down.

Now, we have tornado sirens that blare the first Monday of the month at noon, and also when there's a tornado in the area. They're called COWS, County-wide Outdoor Warning Siren/System, wtfe.

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Gravdigr • Jun 25, 2012 5:38 pm
[Size=1]Why were all the animals in UT's vid black?[/Size]
Stormieweather • Jun 26, 2012 8:49 am
I'm ready for Tropical Storm Debby to move her ass. Elsewhere.
Lamplighter • Jun 26, 2012 9:46 am
Gravdigr;816921 wrote:
Yes we had 'em. All over.

By the time I came along, they weren't 'air raid sirens' anymore.
For a lot of years the old air raid siren, on the city square, was sounded every Friday at noon.
We could hear it waaaay out in the county.
Took forever to wind up/down. <snip>


In our town (Martin, TN) too, the siren blew at noon each day,
and was also the call to the volunteer fire dept.
With 1,2,3, or 4 blasts, volunteers from all over would head to that section of town
to meet up with the fire truck and it's 1 full-time paid fireman/driver.
That was back when the phones were still party line,
so word spread quickly whenever the siren blew.
It was a small town then, and fires were quite frequent.
BigV • Jun 26, 2012 4:30 pm
as for the weather... it's cold and rainy, *again* today. I really want to get out and work in the yard, but it is just too miserable to do so. *grumblegrumble*


I must also say, I'm happy I am not on fire or under flood, so... thanks for that.
Pico and ME • Jun 26, 2012 4:56 pm
My county just instituted a burn ban because of the drought/dryness. That means no more drinking a few beers by the fire in our new firepit at night...:(

But they can't ban fireworks!
infinite monkey • Jun 26, 2012 4:57 pm
Yeah, it sucks. I want rain! :(
DanaC • Jun 26, 2012 4:57 pm
Betcha they can :p
DanaC • Jun 26, 2012 4:58 pm
infinite monkey;817149 wrote:
Yeah, it sucks. I want rain! :(



Here let me send you some of ours. We have gallons of the stuff.
Pico and ME • Jun 26, 2012 4:59 pm
No, the county actually said they can't. The fireworks lobby is pretty tough here in Indana.
infinite monkey • Jun 26, 2012 6:02 pm
There is a song in there somewhere, dana, about sending me a bucketful of rain. Maybe ill compose it tomorrow when my mind is quicker and my fingers get to be nimbler.

As to IN that is so true. Everyone knows you go to IN for the good fireworks!
Pico and ME • Jun 26, 2012 6:07 pm
Yeah, but that only started in 2006, when they finally made fireworks legal. When I was growing up, the best fireworks came from Kentucky...;)
infinite monkey • Jun 26, 2012 6:10 pm
You mean KY used to be good for something?

Kidding grav, I love me some kentucky...it is beeyooteeful!
Cyber Wolf • Jun 26, 2012 6:14 pm
They'll ban fireworks during declared droughts as soon as a fireworks show is somehow responsible for a brush or forest fire... a wayward rocket , a still-smoldering bit of stuff, a tinder-dry patch of road grass and thou...
DanaC • Jun 26, 2012 6:19 pm
infinite monkey;817184 wrote:
There is a song in there somewhere, dana, about sending me a bucketful of rain. Maybe ill compose it tomorrow when my mind is quicker and my fingers get to be nimbler.


Make sure it has a good rhythm for the people on the bucket chain :p
Clodfobble • Jun 26, 2012 7:10 pm
CyberWolf wrote:
They'll ban fireworks during declared droughts as soon as a fireworks show is somehow responsible for a brush or forest fire... a wayward rocket , a still-smoldering bit of stuff, a tinder-dry patch of road grass and thou...


They most definitely will be, and they most definitely will.
SamIam • Jun 27, 2012 2:57 pm
Colorado is turning into a crispy critter from the Front Range (Colorado Springs, Denver, Ft. Collins, etc.) to the Western Slope where I now reside. We had a big fire just 16 miles from here with evacuations and much loss of property - about 9,000 acres burned, I think.

I am stunned at the reports and pix from my old hometown(s) of Manitou Springs/Colorado Springs. Almost everyone I know from the old days has been impacted in some way. The entire town of Manitou was under evacuation orders until yesterday and now they're evacuating much of the US Air Force Academy situated northwest of Colorado Springs.

And the fire season is only beginning here in the West. June isn't even over yet and we still have July, August, and September to go. We are all praying for rain, but the forecast is for continued record breaking temps. Cortez hit 100 degrees yesterday when the norm for that date is 90. :thepain:

http://www.gazette.com/articles/blaze-140753-fire-side.html
classicman • Jun 27, 2012 3:00 pm
So glad to see you posting again SamIam.
SamIam • Jun 27, 2012 4:37 pm
TY, Classic! I just went out to buy a pack of smokes (heh!), and immediently noticed two large plumes of smoke rising from the mountains just south of town. Meanwhile, a really scenic area just west of Durango has also started to burn. It was less than an acre an hour ago and has now spread to 30. The local radio stations are giving updates every half hour on all the fires. So sad. In addition to the property loss, there is the loss of so many beautiful places and National Forest land.
BigV • Jun 27, 2012 6:13 pm
Welcome back, SamIam. :)
ZenGum • Jun 28, 2012 7:39 am
Glad to hear from you, Sam.

Is Bullitt out fighting this lot, do we know?

[Last visited 06-13]
infinite monkey • Jun 28, 2012 8:19 am
It's supposed to be a record breaking 102 in the city today. When did I move to the deep south?
DanaC • Jun 28, 2012 8:25 am
We've secretly drugged Infinite Monkey and transported her to a new location: let's see if she notices....
infinite monkey • Jun 28, 2012 8:26 am
*snort*

Can you try again? Cancun would be fine. ;)
classicman • Jun 28, 2012 3:23 pm
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DanaC • Jun 28, 2012 4:07 pm
Hahahah.
infinite monkey • Jun 28, 2012 4:15 pm
99...

Supposed to hit 103 by 5. At 8 pm it'll cool off to 97. :thepain:
infinite monkey • Jun 28, 2012 4:35 pm
100...
Gravdigr • Jun 28, 2012 4:50 pm
RFN

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infinite monkey • Jun 28, 2012 4:51 pm
My car's gonna be about 975 degrees. I even tried to park in a bit of shade.

Don't think we'll hit 103 in 9 minutes though.
Gravdigr • Jun 28, 2012 6:41 pm
You coulda made muffins while you were working.
monster • Jun 29, 2012 12:21 am
Glad you're Back SamIam ...fill us in on your adventures, please. Allegedly our high was a mere 96 today, but the City less than two miles away hit 104......
ZenGum • Jun 29, 2012 7:20 am
Yeah, okay, that's pretty hot. Ugghhhh.


FWIW the forecasters are saying it looks like an el Nino is going to develop over the next six months or so. MoFo drought for us and New Year storms for the west coasts of the Americas.
Gravdigr • Jun 29, 2012 4:25 pm
Satan called, he said to turn up the A/C.

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Gravdigr • Jun 29, 2012 4:27 pm
This was less than 10 minutes earlier:

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ZenGum • Jun 30, 2012 12:53 am
uggghhhh. What is the humidity?
orthodoc • Jun 30, 2012 9:30 am
Still no power here 12 hours after a crazy, spectacular T-storm. Was at a welcome party for new staff and the wind tossed all the tables and tents around like confetti. Now my electronics are all low on battery ... nooooo

Starbucks time. IF Starbucks has power ... :rolleyes:
orthodoc • Jun 30, 2012 10:52 am
So much for Starbucks. Going to be 100 today and we've been warned we're likely to run out of tap water. Filling water containers, gonna be checking up on neighbors in this building full of seniors. And dragging my wind-up radio out of storage! Knew it'd come in handy one day ...
orthodoc • Jun 30, 2012 10:55 am
To clarify ... my building isn't entirely full of seniors, because I'm here. And hopefully a few other non-senior types. :p:
zippyt • Jun 30, 2012 12:24 pm
Could be worse Doc ,
This could be your weather
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orthodoc • Jun 30, 2012 1:25 pm
:lol2: bring it .... especially Godzilla on Wednesday. He'll get everyone over the hump!
Gravdigr • Jun 30, 2012 3:31 pm
ZenGum;817855 wrote:
uggghhhh. What is the humidity?


RFN:

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glatt • Jun 30, 2012 6:06 pm
That storm last night. Holy shit! Worst storm I've been in. My boy was still at camp when it hit there. It blew a couple logs off the final evening bonfire and into the woods. Staff put it out, and my kid and 300 other people spent the night in the dining hall. There's still no power and my phone is just now finally connecting to the internet. At least it's only 95 today and not 105.
DanaC • Jun 30, 2012 6:34 pm
Brighouse gala was rained off. We were on our way over with Soph whose cheerleading squad were doing a display in the gala, when the rain turned heavy again and she got a phone call to say the rest of the gala had been cancelled.

Earlier in the afternoon, it had been glorious sunshine, then total downpour then glorious sunshione again before going back to total downpour.

Diverted off to the tunnel field with carrot and Ruby and let them have a run about. Got totally and completely drenched, for the fourth time today.

We've been relatively unscathed here in Northowram and Stump Cross, but Briggers, Heb and Elland have all flooded badly.

Hail storms with with hail big enough to smash car windows the other day, and then the River Calder broke its banks and flooded several towns that run along its path. We've had a couple of deaths. Including one guy who had to abandon his car and then was killed trying to get to safety.

Just saw on the news that during the worst of it, Gateshead up in Northumberland, which has also been hit by bad floods, got a month's worth of rain in 2 hours.
orthodoc • Jun 30, 2012 6:42 pm
I heard VA/DC got hit hardest, although there was a confirmed tornado in OH. Some areas there may not get power back until July 7. :eek:

Still no power here. But as long as there's running water I'm a happy camper (sorry, Glatt! But I bet the boys had a good time, right?)!
Lamplighter • Jun 30, 2012 8:43 pm
The "Waldo Fire" west of Colorado Springs, CO is being called
the most destructive fire in the state's history, with loss of > 340 homes.

This is the "heat periphery" of the fire at about 6 pm MST today.

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The pic below is simply the Google map of approx the same area.

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For those interested in such wildfires, here is a link to
the Incident Information System that gives up to date information on US fires.
orthodoc • Jun 30, 2012 9:00 pm
Oh, no. I've been following the High Park fire west of Fort Collins - my daughter is out there - but hadn't heard about the Waldo Canyon fire. 32,000 evacuated already.

Thanks for the link, Lamplighter. It's a definite bookmark.

On a happier note: power's back on! Hooray!:jig:
infinite monkey • Jun 30, 2012 10:40 pm
There are so many, millions without power. I was lucky, power back on around 7 last night, just a few hours out. I was at work as it hit my area. Got caught in a torrential downpour as it hit my woork as I was heading out. Mom and dad power out for a day. This was a biggie. I hope our eastern dwellars are ok. Thinking about you all. Check in, ok?
infinite monkey • Jun 30, 2012 10:48 pm
Also I meant to say good to hear you and yours are ok, glatt. :)
zippyt • Jun 30, 2012 11:11 pm
Camping in bad weather just adds to the experience,
Glad every body is ok
DanaC • Jul 1, 2012 7:05 am
Scary weather over there. Glad the kids are ok glatt.

Who do we have on the East coast?
ZenGum • Jul 1, 2012 7:08 am
Is any of that is going to get far enough west to help with the fires?
Clodfobble • Jul 1, 2012 8:36 am
DanaC wrote:
Who do we have on the East coast?


At first, I read this as, "Why do we have an East coast?"

Glad everyone's doing okay. Weather's going to kill us all in the end.
glatt • Jul 1, 2012 8:59 am
I slept on the basement floor last night. It's unfinished, and at least once during the night I had to brush a camel cricket out of my hair. But it was cool and I slept well. Nobody else in the family wanted to sleep down there next to the furnace and cobwebs and stuff, so they all sweated it out on the livingroom floor. It was in the 90s in our bedrooms overnight, so sleeping up there was pretty much out of the question.

Our street is pretty much unscathed, but just a couple blocks away some folks got hit real bad.

The storm was pretty terrifying, but now it's just really boring. Sitting here in the heat looking at eachother. Not much is open, and it's not safe to drive around with all the traffic lights out and people who think that means the same as having a green light.

Hoping we get power today.
orthodoc • Jul 1, 2012 9:20 am
glatt;817988 wrote:
Hoping we get power today.


Hope so, Glatt. Hope you at least have running water in the meantime. Maybe you should spend the day cleaning out the basement, getting rid of the cobwebs and stuff so the family will sleep down there - because you just know that, if you do, the power will come back on just as you finish ... :right:

@Zen, the weather here moves from west to east, so unfortunately none of the rain from these storms will hit the wildfires out there. Probably just as well - the lightning in this storm system would've started new fires. It was crazy.
plthijinx • Jul 1, 2012 9:53 am
no power sucks. our lights flickered yesterday from a lightning strike up the road but that was it. surprised it didn't shut off for a while because i'm working all weekend, as murphy's law would have it.

glad y'all are alright glatt! hope you get your power back on soon!

i do love a good lighting storm though but not when i'm flying in it!
Ibby • Jul 1, 2012 10:27 am
vermont's been pretty dang warm, but no real storms up this far north. and a good thing, too - if we lose power, if i lose my fans, i will be just miserable beyond wwwwooooords.
glatt • Jul 1, 2012 12:45 pm
Power! Woot!
orthodoc • Jul 1, 2012 12:48 pm
Woot! Woot! And you didn't have to do the magical-thinking clean-out-the-basement thing! :D
infinite monkey • Jul 1, 2012 5:25 pm
Another big windy storm as I type. Hot weather makes the storms so unpredictable but imminent. I don't think it will be the magnitude of Friday, but it is exciting to see the river and the trees from my back porch. Lights just flickered so I'm hoping no repeat of power loss. I do love a storm, though.
infinite monkey • Jul 1, 2012 5:29 pm
Flash flood warning just came through my phone. The ground is so dry it pools, and runs straight into rivers and streams. I'm high on the levee so I'm safe.
plthijinx • Jul 1, 2012 6:04 pm
did you drive to the levee? was it dry?
DanaC • Jul 1, 2012 6:05 pm
The hill behind mum's house is waterlogged from all the rain. It's seeping through the back wall of her house, as well as the floor of the two back rooms. Pain in the arse.
infinite monkey • Jul 1, 2012 6:45 pm
plthijinx;818047 wrote:
did you drive to the levee? was it dry?


I live on the levee. Dad and mom just called. Dad says "So you wanted a storm? Was that to your liking? (He is teasing) and I agreed that it was good and I watched from my back porch.

Omg, this time a big old tree came crashing down and they are now again electric-lacking. Sheesh. The tree has been there forever. Dad is gonna take pics.

I ask if there is anything I can do and of course "we are fine. Just wanted to note the irony" kind of thing. My 'rents rock!
DanaC • Jul 1, 2012 6:46 pm
They sound awesome.
plthijinx • Jul 1, 2012 6:49 pm
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orthodoc • Jul 1, 2012 6:57 pm
plthijinx;818047 wrote:
did you drive to the levee? was it dry?


You beat me to it!! I was just going to ask her if she drove her Chevy! :p:
infinite monkey • Jul 1, 2012 7:02 pm
That's all you get from levees? ;) For one thing you might've asked what happens 'when the levee breaks'. Zeppelin.

I'm familiar with both songs and I gotta say: the levee is neither dry nor will it break. :lol:
plthijinx • Jul 1, 2012 7:06 pm
infinite monkey;818061 wrote:
That's all you get from levees? ;) For one thing you might've asked what happens 'when the levee breaks'. Zeppelin.

I'm familiar with both songs and I gotta say: the levee is neither dry nor will it break. :lol:


well, no, once i got laid on a levee

eta: and it was in a chevy!
orthodoc • Jul 1, 2012 7:15 pm
omg. Perfect. :lol:
Lamplighter • Jul 1, 2012 7:26 pm
plthijinx;818063 wrote:
well, no, once i got laid on a levee

eta: and it was in a chevy!


It was the rye that made you do it.
plthijinx • Jul 1, 2012 7:47 pm
Lamplighter;818074 wrote:
It was the rye that made you do it.


:lol2: nah, the whiskey....well that and the chick knew what she was doing!

whew!
infinite monkey • Jul 1, 2012 8:10 pm
Coulda been the whiskey
Mighta been the gin
Coulda been the three or four six packs
I don't know but look at the mess I'm in
My head is like a football
Think I'm gonna die
Tell me me oh me oh my
Wasn't that a party?
orthodoc • Jul 1, 2012 8:16 pm
infinite monkey;818085 wrote:
Coulda been the whiskey
Mighta been the gin
Coulda been the three or four six packs
I don't know but look at the mess I'm in
My head is like a football
Think I'm gonna die
Tell me me oh me oh my
Wasn't that a party?


:lol: These chicks in Chevys on levees ... heard this one before :lol:
plthijinx • Jul 1, 2012 8:29 pm
um ladies? i drive a chevy. truck. 4 door. um...just sayin.



couldn't resist the comment....sry!
piercehawkeye45 • Jul 2, 2012 12:51 am
infinite monkey;818041 wrote:
Another big windy storm as I type. Hot weather makes the storms so unpredictable but imminent. I don't think it will be the magnitude of Friday, but it is exciting to see the river and the trees from my back porch. Lights just flickered so I'm hoping no repeat of power loss. I do love a storm, though.

I was driving through northern Indiana during that fucking storm. One of the craziest things I've experienced. In ten minutes it went from nothing to a 80 - 90 mph hailstorm that forced every car to pull over.

Visibility went to shit and there is nothing like watching hail being pelted at your window at 90 mph. I thought a few cars were going to be flipped over...
Lamplighter • Jul 4, 2012 10:34 am
Weather Underground is the weather-map that I have occasionally used in posting here.
It is a fantastic web site, with lots and lots of detail.
Here is a example:

BUT now this:
Democratic Underground
JOHN SCHWARTZ and BRIAN STELTER
7/3/12

Fans Howl After Weather Site Buys Out Rival
The announcement on Monday that the Weather Channel Companies,
owners of television’s Weather Channel and weather.com, would buy one of its rivals,
Weather Underground, set off howls of displeasure on social media
platforms and around water coolers across the nation.
The purchase price was not disclosed.
<snip>
The controversy illustrates the deep national divide between those people
who just want to know if it’s going to rain, and people who really, really,
care about the data underlying the weather.

Christopher Maxwell, a manager at a solar energy company in Richmond, Va.,
is in the really-really-cares-about-the-weather camp. He said he saw the
Weather Channel deal as a sad sellout for Weather Underground.
<snip>
Weather Underground was founded in 1995 in Ann Arbor,
where it grew out of the University of Michigan’s online weather database.
The name was a winking reference to the radical group that also had its roots in Ann Arbor.

Mr. Maxwell said he appreciated Weather Underground’s fanatical devotion to data,
and how it drew information from so many thousands of weather stations
run by users that he is able to determine “microclimates” of variation that
can prove important in getting the most out of a new solar installation.



And here is one of the published comments to this article:
8. Guess who bought them out... BAIN CAPITAL, Comcast and the Blackstone Group!
DanaC • Jul 4, 2012 11:44 am
Mum's house is in a dreadful state. The smell of damp is overpowering. her landlords came round to look and were shocked at how bad it is.

Not as dramatic as the flood that took out her living room carpet and furniture a few years ago, but still bad. It's been like a very slow flood. The whole back of the house is waterlogged. Back rooms unusable. Including the kitchen. She tried cleaning up a bit in there and, having not used the oven for a couple of weeks, was horror struck to discover a thick layer of fluffy mould inside. Pans in the cupboard have got mould on them and the food in the cupboards has all been thrown.

It's looking like they may need to do some fairly major work on the house, which will mean she has to find somewhere else to stay for a few weeks. Bit difficult with elderly dog in tow. I live in what is effectively a two roomed house (not including bathroom) with a puppeh. Martin and family have room, but have two dogs (both bitches, one unspayed as yet) and two cats, and a set of high stone steps leading up to their house (difficult for Dan).

Also means they may decide to put her rent up if they have to spend a bunch of cash getting the house sorted.

Still: she's upbeat because at least they're aware and have seenit and were very insistent that this needed sorting. Apologised to her for her having to put up with so much etc. They're decent folk.
Trilby • Jul 4, 2012 12:24 pm
Dana - does your mom have renters insurance or similar?
piercehawkeye45 • Jul 4, 2012 12:36 pm
Lamplighter;818433 wrote:
Weather Underground is the weather-map that I have occasionally used in posting here.

Damn. Weather.com is really annoying if you search for anything besides current temperature and the 10 day prediction. I was actually looking (slowly) for a site that is more dedicated to data.
DanaC • Jul 4, 2012 4:23 pm
Brianna;818444 wrote:
Dana - does your mom have renters insurance or similar?


She doesn't have contents insurance, if that's what you mean. Fortunately, most of what's been damaged is easily replacable, for cheaper than the insurance payments would have been. Apart from the cooker, but that is provided by her landlord so will hopefully be covered on their insurance.

It's the pain of living in a damp house and possibly having to leave for a few weeks that's worrying really.
Trilby • Jul 4, 2012 5:26 pm
I feel for her. Dampness is one of the worst.


Just saw our forecast - its going to be ONE HUNDRED on thurs and fri.

Sonnofabeeeeyotch. Eff this.
DanaC • Jul 4, 2012 5:47 pm
Yikes. I could not cope with temps like that.

I also just saw our weather forecast. They're predicting more flooding Friday and Saturday in my region.
Clodfobble • Jul 4, 2012 11:03 pm
Temperatures here are as high as they ever are in the summer (over 100 degrees, most days,) but we are very fortunate that the rain deficit has finally been catching up. This meant we were allowed to have fireworks this year, which was very exciting for the kids.
Ibby • Jul 4, 2012 11:31 pm
CRAZY thunderstorm this afternoon. The streets were flooded past the top of the curb in my neighborhood, and a bunch of trees went down.
This is just from my street alone, and yeah those are power lines across the street too.
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xoxoxoBruce • Jul 4, 2012 11:36 pm
At least when the power goes out up there, they can milk by hand. :haha:
Trilby • Jul 6, 2012 10:57 am
Ibby - you're in Vermont now?

Ok. So what are those black people doing on the front porch? ;)

I had that shit happen to me last year. seven of 11 trees came crashing down and it cost 4,000 dollars to chop them up and haul them out. unreal.

TODAY just for something different it's gonna be OVER A HUNDRED! YAYAAAAYYYYYYY!
infinite monkey • Jul 6, 2012 11:47 am
And 110 with the heat index!!!!!!


ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Trilby • Jul 7, 2012 8:28 am
Today will be 111 with heat index. Ffs! This is the midwest! We don't do this sort of thing!
monster • Jul 8, 2012 5:52 pm
oh yes we do......
chrisinhouston • Jul 11, 2012 6:57 pm
A rainy day here in Houston and we needed the rain. Not often that I look at the weather and see that Houston is 4 degrees cooler than where my relatives live in Minnesota! And they generally don't have central air. Oh well they will be knee deep in snow in a few more months! :)
BigV • Jul 13, 2012 2:08 pm
Five minutes ago, the rain was so hard you couldn't see the pavement from the spray of the raindrops--drenching, pouring rain. The lightning flashed, I counted one one-thou[SIZE="7"][COLOR="Red"]KABLAAAAAAMMM!![/COLOR][/SIZE]... wow, that was close. Car alarms honking in fear. When I got to the corner, the fire engine was answering the thunder with all his horns, turned up to eleven. Tha's reallly loud.

Now, blue skies. The whole thunderstorm lasted about twenty minutes. I bet we got a half an inch of rain.
infinite monkey • Jul 13, 2012 2:16 pm
What ees thees theeng you call 'rain'??????? :confused:

I'd kill for rain. Giant fat hard long noisy thunderous lightninged rain.
Gravdigr • Sep 10, 2012 9:56 am
RF'n last week.

Isaac takes a dump in KY.

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glatt • Sep 10, 2012 10:51 am
That storm Saturday afternoon was pretty intense. I checked the radar at one point and it stretched from Virginia to Maine.

A couple small tornadoes even hit NYC.

I was driving in it as the front came through, and had to pull over for five minutes because I couldn't see more than 20 feet in front of me with the wipers on high. It caught a lot of people by surprise. When I resumed driving, I saw a woman who had been out walking her dog, and it looked like she had jut fallen into a swimming pool and climbed out. And several cyclists who were absolutely drenched. One tree down halfway across the road near our house. We didn't lose power but several friends did.
Sundae • Sep 10, 2012 11:58 am
Sky News this morning said that Scotland would be hit by heavy rain and wind by remnants of Hurricane Leslie spinning out across the Atlantic.
However the Express front page says it's Hurricane Michael we'll get. But they're not really known for their accuracy.

Hold onto your wind turbines, Limey.
Gravdigr • Sep 10, 2012 12:11 pm
Sundae;829582 wrote:
Hold onto your wind turbines, Limey.


Near a wind turbine in a wind storm?

One word of advice.

Duck.

[YOUTUBE]pKOYObwBZLc[/YOUTUBE]
Undertoad • Sep 10, 2012 12:25 pm
That seems tragic, but in its dying seconds it generated enough power to build a replacement turbine.
BigV • Sep 10, 2012 9:27 pm
last night we got enough rain to wet the gauge, and just enough to end our 48 day dry spell. not a record by a couple days, but still a long. hot. dry. summer.
Trilby • Sep 11, 2012 8:10 am
Today is dawning brilliant blue and halcyon. Just like sept. 11, 2001.

Oh, gawd. Now I"m getting depressed.
BigV • Sep 12, 2012 6:51 pm
that lick of rain? It was a light lick. 0.01" of rain. A single hundredth of an inch. Gee. Thanks.
Trilby • Sep 12, 2012 7:52 pm
BigV;830038 wrote:
that lick of rain? It was a light lick. 0.01" of rain. A single hundredth of an inch. Gee. Thanks.


(in God's Voice) BigV, you're welcome!
BigV • Sep 12, 2012 8:29 pm
thank you sir, may I have another!
chrisinhouston • Sep 16, 2012 10:35 pm
16 here in Geelong and supposed to rain later and go down to 10 tonight. I love it! Way better than Houston! :D
Sundae • Sep 17, 2012 4:56 am
Well, it is only Spring there.
Trilby • Sep 18, 2012 8:02 am
This morning could be described not as the black cauldron of morning but as a grey-ish blue cauldron of morning.

I just like the word 'cauldron'
Sundae • Sep 18, 2012 1:45 pm
From Laurie Lee's April Rise
This was how this morning felt to me, even though we're on the other side of summer, on the downhill skid towards Christmas.

If ever I saw blessing in the air
I see it now in this still early day
Where lemon-green the vaporous morning drips
Wet sunlight on the powder of my eye.

Blown bubble-film of blue, the sky wraps round
Weeds of warm light whose every root and rod
Splutters with soapy green
Gravdigr • Sep 18, 2012 4:14 pm
65 degrees rfn.

3 p.m.

September.

In Kentucky.

65 degrees.
Trilby • Sep 19, 2012 7:07 am
Oooo! I like the 'lemon-green the vaporous morning drips'

It reminds me of Plath's line about the sea during rainstorm: "Where it pours bean-green over blue"
Lamplighter • Sep 20, 2012 9:22 am
Grav, you must have forgot again and left the frig door open.
Trilby • Sep 24, 2012 7:25 am
It's freezing.

We've given fall a miss and headed straight into winter.
Sundae • Sep 25, 2012 3:32 pm
Parts of the UK are taking a battering at present.

80 flood warnings still in place, 300 homes flooded, hundreds more evacuated, road and rail links closed/ disrupted. Power cuts, school closures and even the closure of a blood-bank in Bristol.

We had squally showers here, but nothing much more than a lazy topic of conversation. Although it meant I go a lift home from the Doctors as it was squalling at the time :)
Lamplighter • Oct 7, 2012 10:00 pm
PDX has had a long string of beautiful sunny days, but some rain is predicted for the weekend.

But getting outside just before sunrise tomorrow morning will give
us yet another nice array of bright stars and two planets...
glatt • Oct 8, 2012 12:26 pm
38 when I climbed out of my tent this morning. Brr.
Trilby • Oct 18, 2012 8:09 am
Blustery out this morning, Pooh.


Happy Thursday!
BigV • Oct 18, 2012 11:14 am
Still shirt sleeve weather here, but we did get some rain, enough to justify turning the wipers on. The first in about three months. Very, very, very dry summer here.
Trilby • Oct 18, 2012 12:03 pm
BigV;834776 wrote:
Still shirt sleeve weather here, but we did get some rain, enough to justify turning the wipers on. The first in about three months. Very, very, very dry summer here.


Did the drought effect the Starbucks crop very much? :p:
BigV • Oct 18, 2012 1:00 pm
...

I do sometimes drink Starbucks, but for the most part, I grind and brew my own coffee. And I'm a four-season coffee drinker. Sometimes I get an iced coffee when it's really hot. It wasn't especially hot this summer, just arid. Parched. Dessicated. Mummified. Dried. De-watered. Dusty. Water, Water, nary-where and barely a drop to drink.

Which explains the coffee. :coffee:
Trilby • Oct 18, 2012 3:28 pm
The only thing I like at Starbucks is the salted caramel latte.

And this one kind of berry iced-tea...it's really good, too. but I'm not usually willing to pay five bucks for a cup of coffee. I only go there maybe three times a year.
ZenGum • Oct 24, 2012 1:10 am
We're moving well into spring now, so in the Outback (Thargomindah, Qld in particular) the forecast is for hot dry weather, smoke haze, strong winds, with a chance of fire elementals in the 4 to 6 hit dice range.

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Okay technically that's a piddly little tornado (note the outdoor toilet or "dunny" on the right for scale) which is sucking up a pre-existing bushfire. I've seen things like this in bushfire footage fairly often. Without the fire we'd call it a willy-willy. With the fire, I don't know if it has a common name. Fire tornado? Firenado? Firespout? Fire devil? Firewilly? :lol:
glatt • Oct 24, 2012 8:53 am
willy willy, huh? We'd probably call that a dust devil.

Don't think we have a name for it when it's sucking on a fire.
infinite monkey • Oct 24, 2012 8:59 am
Fire fag?
BigV • Oct 24, 2012 3:18 pm
ZenGum;835471 wrote:
We're moving well into spring now, so in the Outback (Thargomindah, Qld in particular) the forecast is for hot dry weather, smoke haze, strong winds, with a chance of fire elementals in the 4 to 6 hit dice range.

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Okay technically that's a piddly little tornado (note the outdoor toilet or "dunny" on the right for scale) which is sucking up a pre-existing bushfire. I've seen things like this in bushfire footage fairly often. Without the fire we'd call it a willy-willy. With the fire, I don't know if it has a common name. Fire tornado? Firenado? Firespout? Fire devil? Firewilly? :lol:

first of all, that is a great picture! very dramatic.


glatt;835511 wrote:
willy willy, huh? We'd probably call that a dust devil.

Don't think we have a name for it when it's sucking on a fire.


"sucking on a fire"... I see atmospheric phenomena like this from time to time, (never on fire though) and I always think about where and how the flow is moving. this is how I see it and understand it.

When you take a bath, and you pull the plug from the drain, the water swirls and forms a cone, right? same thing's happening in a tornado or a hurricane or a firewilly. In the bath, there's a layer of heavy dense water above a layer of light less dense air. In their struggle to swap positions, the water swirls downward and leaves a tube through which the air may swirl upward.

That's exactly what we're seeing here. The hot air around the burning ground and brush is less dense than the cooler air layer above and it wants to rise as the cooler air wants to press downward. The easiest way to do this is to swirl and the fiery air can now flow up and away from the pressure of the layer above. Same thing in a tornado. Warm air near the ground, colder stormy air above, when they try to swap, they do so in a swirl, a tornado.

Most times, you can't see the funnel of air, unless there's something in it like dust or in this case, fire. Very cool picture!
Gravdigr • Oct 24, 2012 5:40 pm
ZenGum;835471 wrote:
Firewilly?


It's definitely not firewilly.

I had firewilly once. Doc gave me a cream for it.
Big Sarge • Oct 24, 2012 6:10 pm
Minus the fire, we call them "Dust Devils". With the fire, I think we call them, "Oh-Shit!!!!!".
ZenGum • Oct 24, 2012 6:38 pm
Gravdigr;835582 wrote:
It's definitely not firewilly.

I had firewilly once. Doc gave me a cream for it.


Yeah, but you probably didn't need four refills. ;)
Lamplighter • Nov 12, 2012 10:02 pm
Oh to be in Venice...


ABC News
11/12/12

Venice Floods
Venice Floods as Torrential Rain Hits the City

Link above has many pics...
Griff • Nov 13, 2012 6:50 am
Snow this morning 1"+.
Trilby • Nov 13, 2012 7:08 am
cold but gonna be sunny so put on a happy face.
BigV • Nov 19, 2012 9:31 pm
ZenGum;835471 wrote:
We're moving well into spring now, so in the Outback (Thargomindah, Qld in particular) the forecast is for hot dry weather, smoke haze, strong winds, with a chance of fire elementals in the 4 to 6 hit dice range.

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Okay technically that's a piddly little tornado (note the outdoor toilet or "dunny" on the right for scale) which is sucking up a pre-existing bushfire. I've seen things like this in bushfire footage fairly often. Without the fire we'd call it a willy-willy. With the fire, I don't know if it has a common name. Fire tornado? Firenado? Firespout? Fire devil? Firewilly? :lol:


Apparently, a local expert, Rick McCrae distinguishes this apparition as a fire whirl, attached to the ground, and not a fire tornado, which would be attached to the underside of a thundercloud.
ZenGum • Nov 29, 2012 7:07 pm
I just came here to post the ABC's story on that. :)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-19/researchers-document-world-first-fire-tornado/4380252

I was in Canberra when that fire happened. I was living in a student residence on campus. I stepped out of my room to go shopping late morning, and noticed half the sky was BLACK from smoke, which was drifting kinda in our direction.

It occurred to me that (a) I was the chief fire warden of the college, (b) although we had a plan for a fire in the building, we didn't have a bushfire plan, (c) between the fire and our location was a big mountain covered in bush that hadn't been burned for twenty years, and there are more trees on campus than students. Uuh-ohh.

Luckily, I grew up pretty bushfire-savvy, so I spent the next three hours puling a bushfire plan out of my ear, got all the 36 hoses set up to cover the whole building, planned command structure, recruited volunteer firecrew from the residents, and everything. Later, the uni fire safety officer approved all this and it became the college's bushfire plan.

Even luckier, the fire stayed to the south west and didn't get within 10 km of us, but we were getting burned leaves drifting out of the sky. They had cooled enough to not start any spot fires, but it was an uncomfortable evening.

Our office manager's house was under direct attack. They lost the garden but saved the building. She never came back to work, that I knew of.

Nature can be a real mo-fo sometimes.
BigV • Nov 29, 2012 8:11 pm
It's not nice to fool Mother Nature.
busterb • Dec 26, 2012 9:43 pm
Well look as this .Deep in Dixie.
sexobon • Dec 28, 2012 6:01 am
busterb;845420 wrote:
Well look as this .Deep in Dixie.

Cold times there are not forgotten.
Trilby • Dec 30, 2012 6:08 am
effing snow here. And no sons to dig me out.


Life gives you sons and then, just when you can use them for REAL work, they run off with Ben-Gal cheerleaders....ingrates.
orthodoc • Dec 30, 2012 8:42 am
Plenty of snow here, too, coming down hard enough to make the woods look like a Robert Frost poem. Which winter storm are we on, again? Seems to me like it's been one continuous blow.
Griff • Dec 30, 2012 9:09 am
Excellent X-Country skiing here. I had to fix a mechanical on the tractor's snowblower yesterday and I have no replacement shear bolt...
glatt • Dec 30, 2012 1:11 pm
Just use a regular bolt. ;)

And cross your fingers that you don't hit anything solid.
fargon • Dec 30, 2012 4:05 pm
Just use an ordinary grade 2 bolt.
Griff • Dec 30, 2012 7:55 pm
Thanks guys, I did use a regular bolt I found (ssshhh.. its a secret) but I still need a spare.
BigV • Dec 31, 2012 11:35 am
what if you took the regular bolt and just sabotaged it with a hacksaw, weakening it at the place you expect it should shear?

Heck. make two, now there's your spare.
Griff • Dec 31, 2012 12:19 pm
I'm thinking its not even necessary to weaken it if I use grade 2 like fargon suggested which the interweb tells me are bolts with no markings on the heads.
ZenGum • Jan 3, 2013 6:22 am
It's bloody hot.

41 today, 44 tomorrow, but the promise of a cool change in the late afternoon.

Bloody bad bushfire weather, had good rains until about 3 months ago, so there is lots of fuel about, but now it is dry as a dead dingo's donger.
Trilby • Jan 3, 2013 8:37 am
I looked it up. 44 = 111 degrees F.

Hoooooooooly Fuck! You poor Aussies!
Chocolatl • Jan 4, 2013 4:26 pm
It's currently 58F/14.5C here, with 99% humidity and an unrelenting, fine, misty drizzle. I don't know you guys elsewhere deal with this kind of weather all the time! Winter always kicks my ass -- I don't know how I'll ever leave Florida.
Trilby • Jan 4, 2013 7:32 pm
58% with 99% humidity is really good for your skin (not that you need it!) but get out there and soak it up. girl!
piercehawkeye45 • Jan 5, 2013 1:05 pm
For the past two weeks I have been in Brazil

90 degrees every day was amazing. :cool:
BigV • Jan 7, 2013 8:49 pm
Wow.

pics or it didn't happen, right?
piercehawkeye45 • Jan 7, 2013 9:42 pm
Most of my photos involve other people so I don't want to post those, but here are some decent ones. Unfortunately, I only have postable photos of a small portion of the trip so there is much more to Brazil than this. It truly is a beautiful country.
ZenGum • Jan 7, 2013 10:06 pm
Spare a thought for the 250 or so people silly enough to live in Oodnadatta:

Residents in the outback town of Oodnadatta are preparing for their seventh consecutive day above 45 degrees Celsius.

The temperature at the town in South Australia's far north is forecast to reach 47C today after reaching 46C on Saturday and 47C on Sunday and Monday.

It will be the 10th day in a row above 40C.

The last time the town experienced a maximum below 35C was December 10.

The Bureau of Meteorology says the town has already set a new local record, eclipsing two previous runs of five days in a row above 45C.

Lynnie Plate from Oodnadatta's Pink Roadhouse says residents are struggling to stay cool.

"The bitumen is melting, our freezer is not coping. I had to throw out half a dozen cartons of ice cream yesterday," she said.

"Nothing is coping really. The petrol pumps won't pump unleaded after midday. They vaporise so we've got to wait for a cool change if there is such a thing.

"We've had hot days, we've had 45-plus here most definitely but not for this length of time and not with it being 45.7 degrees at five o'clock in the evening."

Tomorrow will be a reprieve of sorts, with the temperature heading for 42C before soaring to 46C again on Friday.


Today, it's going to be 43 degrees in SYDNEY. It the worst day for bushfire conditions in NSW in recent memory.
ZenGum • Jan 7, 2013 11:46 pm
Bugger this.

Pretty much the entire country is scorching hot, completely dry, very windy, and there is no relief in sight beyond a weak cool (but dry) change moving through today.

There are something like 200 fires, many uncontrolled or uncontained, all over the place. Hundreds of houses have already been destroyed in Tasmania, but today NSW is copping it worst. The cool change is a double-edged sword, cool is nice, but it comes with winds at 60 kph gusting to 90.

The best hope for real relief is a cyclone brewing up over the far north west, which *might* send a band of rain south and west across the continent, but that will take a week at best to arrive.

Tell me again about this "snow" stuff, will you?

Good news is that no lives have been lost yet, as far as anyone knows.
piercehawkeye45 • Jan 8, 2013 12:07 am
115 F. Damn...
ZenGum • Jan 8, 2013 7:21 am
It's official.

The hot weather that has fuelled the fires in southern Australia has also delivered the nation its hottest day since records began a century ago.

The national temperature is the average of hundreds of daily readings across the country and yesterday it hit 40.3 degrees.


But heck, tomorrow it is only going to be 25 here! Then it'll start climbing again...
I think the cool(ish) southerly change is pushing the heat up towards Ali in the Brisbane area, they're in for about 38 tomorrow.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 8, 2013 10:05 pm
Enjoy the purple & pink, embrace it, make it your own.:sweat:
ZenGum • Jan 9, 2013 7:33 pm
I presume you are referring to this:

The extreme heat in central Australia saw the weather bureau add new colours to its forecast maps yesterday:

deep purple for 50 degrees Celsius to 52 degrees Celsius; and
magenta for 52 degrees Celsius to 54 degrees Celsius.

Yesterday, the bureau's forecast maps for Sunday and Monday showed a deep purple area over the South Australian outback.

However, those forecasts have been revised today, with forecast temperatures no longer hitting the purple range.


See the GIF at http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-09/australia-heatwave-forecast-one-animated-gif-map/4458006
ZenGum • Jan 10, 2013 6:58 am
About half-way up the west coast, the town of Winslow is about to get grazed by a category 3 or 4 cyclone.


That's not for a day or so yet, so in the meanwhile, here's a [strike]beer tsunami after a humungous explosion at the brewery[/strike] crazy dust storm complete with thunder and lightning, rain and hail (according to FB posts) that drifted out to sea.

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These are from a screenshot of the gallery at https://www.facebook.com/perthweatherlive. More and better pics there.
glatt • Jan 10, 2013 8:08 am
Wow!
BigV • Jan 10, 2013 12:51 pm
Winslow? I think you mean Onslow.

that's an impressive dust storm!

eta:

39F high today, icy windshield.
ZenGum • Jan 10, 2013 6:17 pm
Thanks, V, I just noticed that then.


Uhh, umm, I couldn't read the sign properly because of all the dust! Yes, that's it....
tw • Jan 10, 2013 10:16 pm
Just another remake of the Poseidon Adventure.
Griff • Jan 11, 2013 6:48 am
crazy
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 12, 2013 1:47 am
Baked.
Sundae • Jan 12, 2013 6:17 am
We're hoping for snow on Monday.
It's unlikely to hit us until after school, but I might get to walk to school in it on Tuesday morning. Yay! New peacock wellies all set and ready for action.
Griff • Jan 12, 2013 8:31 am
We've got the fog eating snow thing happening here. :yeldead:
Griff • Jan 12, 2013 9:02 am
Just remembered this. :)

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=16239&highlight=Snow+eating+fog
ZenGum • Jan 12, 2013 7:00 pm
Rain. Slow, steady, soak things down rain. ooohhhhh yeeeaahhhh baby. It seems pretty local around Adelaide at present, I hope it drifts slowly across the whole South East of the country.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 12, 2013 9:28 pm
Send some to Sydney, the ocean dried up. :eek:
Pico and ME • Jan 12, 2013 9:51 pm
Griff;847545 wrote:
Just remembered this. :)

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=16239&highlight=Snow+eating+fog


What a great thread!

Wow, is that HLJ on the bike??!! Now, if only there was a picture of Zen hiding somewhere....
Gravdigr • Jan 15, 2013 5:23 pm
The weather/news people have been screaming all day, literally all day long, about ice. "Ice is coming, ice is coming!!" They used the phrase "Travel, of any kind, is strongly discouraged."

We'll see.
DanaC • Jan 19, 2013 9:38 am
Yeah we're in the middle of a 'weather event' apparently. And there was I thinking it had merely snowed.

Talking of which: it could fuck off for me now. Pet owners are being warned about the dangers of rock salt and antifreeze. Antifreeze spilled onto the kerbside, and rocksalt spread on the roads gets onto their feet and when they lick it off they can be poisoned.

So it's washing paws every time we come back in now. Can't even create a salt free zone for quick wees as I don't have a garden. As soon as we step out of the mews and into the lane there's rock salt everywhere. 2-3 walks a day, plus a couple of 2 minute trips out back, rinsing and drying paws now 4-5 times a day.
Pico and ME • Jan 19, 2013 9:42 am
Buy Carrot booties?
DanaC • Jan 19, 2013 9:45 am
Waste of money. I and Mum have tried them with various dogs for various reasons over the years (Pilau had a problem with his pads sometimes, Wellybobs had eczema on his toes, Dan cut his paw open and needed it kept clean and dry on walks) and they have always come off.
Trilby • Jan 19, 2013 9:46 am
Pico and ME;849069 wrote:
Buy Carrot booties?


I don't think they make booties out of carrots....wouldn't hold up.
DanaC • Jan 19, 2013 9:47 am
Trilby;849075 wrote:
I don't think they make booties out of carrots....wouldn't hold up.


Laughed? I nearly started :p


Actually I did, loudly.
Pico and ME • Jan 19, 2013 9:47 am
Aw, piss.

It will all melt soon, right?
Pico and ME • Jan 19, 2013 9:47 am
Trilby;849075 wrote:
I don't think they make booties out of carrots....wouldn't hold up.


:)
DanaC • Jan 19, 2013 9:48 am
They reckon itll thaw in a week or so.
Pico and ME • Jan 19, 2013 7:13 pm
So, I know you are unhappy with the snow, but this Brit loves it....

[YOUTUBE]UW1j7lzX0dw[/YOUTUBE]
DanaC • Jan 22, 2013 7:02 am
This was in the local paper: alas it's only an ikkle pic

Image
Aliantha • Jan 23, 2013 6:43 pm
In my part of the country we're expecting up to 400mm of rain over the next few days. some areas have already had over 600mm (that's a foot and a half of rain for those of you metrically challenged).

Anyway, I hope we get a lot of rain. It's very dry here. The wet season has not even started, and we it should have started almost 2 months ago at the latest.
ZenGum • Jan 24, 2013 7:23 pm
Good news, the drought has broken*!


[ATTACH]42554[/ATTACH]

Rescue was completed successfully.

More at http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-24/drenching-rain-moves-south-along-qld-coast/4481494


*Coastal Queensland and Gulf of Carpentaria regions only, rest of the country still hot, dry and probably on fire.
Aliantha • Jan 24, 2013 10:10 pm
Not much rain here so far, but it's on the way. Very slow moving system, which is good in a way, but probably would be better if it'd do its thing then bugger off a bit sooner.
ZenGum • Jan 24, 2013 11:27 pm
You reckon they've opened the gate on Wivenhoe dam yet? :p
Aliantha • Jan 25, 2013 6:08 am
Apparently so. Not so sure that was a good move though. The higher tides coming up could wreak a bit of havoc trying to cope with that and a storm surge.
Trilby • Jan 25, 2013 7:53 am
saw a bit this morning on TV about northern Oz being flooded while southern Oz is burning up hot and dry.

they showed some kid clinging to a tree in the middle of a flash flood---he was saved but the guy who saved him was almost killed himself while doing it.


Kids just lucky a dropbear didn't get him first.

follow up Oz question: how come you guys celebrate things (like, oh, I dunno, a bank holiday or something) but NSW never does it the day you guys do it? On my calendar it'll say such and such celebrated except for NSW. What's with NSW? Too good for the rest of the continent?
Sundae • Jan 25, 2013 4:47 pm
NSW is New South Wales.
The clue is in the title.

The Welsh never did anything to suit the rest of the country ;)
DanaC • Jan 25, 2013 6:56 pm
What's more current than the weather outside my house rfn?

Just got back from carrot's last walk. About 4 hours ago as I was getting home, though a small amount of snow was falling it didn't seem very much. There was already some compacted snow on the ground from earlier in the week, but the roads were all clear and so were the paths in the main.

Anyhoo, here are a few pics from our walk around the village. Apols for the picture quality, the snow was blowing about a bit.

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DanaC • Jan 25, 2013 6:57 pm
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Ahhh....back home again. This is my little street. Note that the snow is getting heavier ;P

Image
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 25, 2013 10:05 pm
We've got a near full moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow.

OMG Dana, I thought Australia was bad, but look at that cobweb. :eek:
Griff • Jan 25, 2013 10:38 pm
C'mon now, it's an old country.
DanaC • Jan 26, 2013 6:01 am
Took Carrotchops for a walk and the snow is sooo deep! Bad enough on the pavements, but over on the field he all but vanished lol. Let him off the lead to go play with one of his friends he looked like a dolphin leaping through the snow. Vanishing and surfacing, vanishing and surfacing :P
Trilby • Jan 26, 2013 7:54 am
that's a great image! and thanks for the pics----you live NEAR Hebdon Bridge?

And that does seem like a lot of snow for you guys. I read about the winter of '63 in England and it was quite a dump of ice and snow. Are they comparing this one to that?


and Sundae--thanks for the answer. I should've known the Welsh thing----they are a bit different now, aren't they? LOL ;)
DanaC • Jan 26, 2013 8:00 am
Quite near Hebbers, aye. 'Bout a 25 minute drive. That's where the two Js live :)

We've had as bad and worse in recent years. Don't forget I'm basically in the foothills of the Pennines between Lancashire and Yorkshire. If it's going to snow anywhere it's likely to be here, and likely to be deeper than on flatter ground.

It was worse Sunday-Monday. I had to cancel my classes for Monday afternoon and arrange alternative sessions. The roads in and out of the village were all but locked down. Also, this is unlikely to stick around long. That mad snowfall last night was the last hurrah, the thaw is already setting in amid flood warnings.

Won't be sorry to see it go. I've been having to wash Carrot's paws after every outing (3-5 times a day) for the last couple of weeks.
Trilby • Jan 26, 2013 8:04 am
I feel like such a horrible dog owner when I hear you take carrot out 3-5 times a day-esp. in this kind of weather. I don't walk Autumn unless it's nice out...and I feel very bad mommy-ish for it. She IS nine, though, and more accustomed to a cozy life-but I KNOW she needs to walk. I just can't make myself do it in cold snowy weather.
DanaC • Jan 26, 2013 8:19 am
Bear in mind I don't have an outside space to let him go do whatever he needs to do. If he needs a quick wee, I have to take him out of the shared garden space onto the road or the lane. If I had a garden I'd walk him once or twice a day and let him in the garden the rest of the time.

He's also only 13 months old and not allowed walks of more than 20 minutes at a time, currently, because of his hips. When he's doing well with is walking, he can go up to 30 mins, but no more than that.

That's not a lot of exercise for a young bearded collie. They're an active, outdoor breed. So, I have to break his exercise down into multiple walks. that way he gets the same amount of walking in a daybut not all in one or two chunks leading to him fall back on his tired walk (which damages his hips) for the last third of each.
Sundae • Jan 26, 2013 8:27 am
It rained here last night.
Cleared most oof the snow and ice.
Quite warm today, sun is shining.

Wish I lived in Dani's part of the country.
Trilby • Jan 26, 2013 8:28 am
Oh, yeah; his poor hips.

but still. You are such a good doggie mommy.
Trilby • Jan 26, 2013 8:29 am
Sundae;850180 wrote:
It rained here last night.
Cleared most oof the snow and ice.
Quite warm today, sun is shining.

Wish I lived in Dani's part of the country.


what have you been up to, missy?


Miss size 18! fanfuckingtastic! You look great-even if you feel a bit ill. Are you feeling better?
Aliantha • Jan 26, 2013 6:19 pm
South East Qld, the area which Ducky and I both live in was hit by at least 5 tornadoes yesterday. More are predicted today. They've been most active around the area where Ducky (and my father) live. So far just a lot of damage to property. No loss of life. Lots of flooding.

Anyway, more rain today, and another cyclone forming up north. We could be in for a fair bit of wild over the last month of summer by the looks of things.
Chocolatl • Jan 26, 2013 7:04 pm
Stay safe! (and dry!)
Griff • Jan 28, 2013 8:20 am
No schools! Big wet flakes right now but gonna be ice soon.
Trilby • Jan 28, 2013 8:33 am
rain here. All the snow has melted and it's gun-metal grey outside. It's been nasty for a week and my dog is pissed that I haven't taken her out. She needs some walking but I can't make myself do it in snowing/blowing and temps in the teens. It's warmer now but, you know, rain.

I fucking hate January.
glatt • Jan 28, 2013 8:44 am
No schools here too. Federal government closed til noon. Freezing rain.

But my firm opened on time, and I was expected to show up on time. Grrr.

Can't blame them though. The roads are fine. icy spots here and there on the sidewalks, but otherwise it was a decent commute.
Griff • Jan 28, 2013 9:04 am
just switched over to wintry mix here
limey • Jan 28, 2013 9:16 am
Wind. Wild wind. Have just placed strategic lamps around the house, ready for lighting ... and we are regrettably short of newspaper for lighting the fire ...
BigV • Jan 28, 2013 7:06 pm
Try doritos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od4qOHy_qTw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uum2Aylev2I&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Aliantha • Jan 29, 2013 4:46 am
We just got power back on after having none since Sunday arvo. It's Tuesday night here now.

I've never been so happy to have electricity.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 29, 2013 5:12 am
But thankfully you're dry, right?
I've been seeing some nasty flood pictures from down there. :(
Aliantha • Jan 29, 2013 7:14 am
Yep, high and dry. Well nt so high really, but close enough to the ocean that most of the water runs off, but not close enough to be affected by tidal surges. As a community we should be more worried about ducky. Shes in a much more badly affected area than me. Havent seen her on fb for the last couple of days, so am a bit concerned. I will text her tomorrow if theres still no activity.
DanaC • Jan 29, 2013 7:20 am
Snow is totally gone! Hurrah! No more having to wash Carrot's paws after every little outing. Now just if he comes back muddy.
Trilby • Jan 29, 2013 7:33 am
the last pic I saw Ducks post on FB was of a calm sea with a pink and blue sky. BEFORE that pic she had some pretty wicked looking ones of the sea...
limey • Jan 29, 2013 8:31 am
Smirr.
Trilby • Jan 29, 2013 8:50 am
limey;850616 wrote:
Smirr.


bet that's good for your skin.
Sundae • Jan 30, 2013 4:39 pm
Been threatened with rain and high winds since the weekend.
Here in the Vale it's been a bit breezy, and the ground is wet, but nothing to justify stomping to work in my heavy duty boots. Grrrrr.

Trouble is, I've been out after school every day so far, and I have to carry enough stuff to be prepared - hat and cardigan and scarf and flats to wear at work. I look like I'm away for the weekend every morning I leave the house. But the weather is changeable and the temp drops when the sun goes down.

Aside from the boots I will admit the other items have been useful. The school is not uniformly heated and my core temp has dropped enough that I can wear up to three layers on occasion...

I'd like a sharp clean frost. Have decided snow is too messy and muddy. I always suspect dog owners have decided not to pick up the steaming parcels their dogs leave when it is snowing, and therefore have to negotiate any part of pavement with even a hint of brown... even if 99.9% of it is probably mud.
DanaC • Jan 30, 2013 5:34 pm
I walked carrotchops through high winds and hail today!

And the winds have been freaking him out at times too. When everything's being blown around outside and the fireplace is acting like a trumpet.
Trilby • Jan 30, 2013 7:26 pm
it was 60 (60!) degrees out today but now it's howling, moaning wind with rain/sleet/hail with the rain coming down literally in devlish buckets not a nice soft Scottish rain at ALL- very Dracula weather. And tonight (after this cold front moves in) it is going to SNOW. So from 60 degrees to snow in one 12 hour period.

wild willy wonka weather.


as a joke my sister planted two pink flamingo in my side yard and I fear this roaring hateful wind will blow them away...poor flamingos...
glatt • Jan 30, 2013 8:28 pm
Yeah, pretty big storm too. Looks like this line of thunderstorms stretches from PA to the Gulf of Mexico.

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orthodoc • Jan 30, 2013 8:29 pm
Same weather here; temperature's been dropping like a stone all day fom the high 60s to snow tonight. It's been pouring rain with high winds all day. The roads tomorrow morning will be skating rinks.
footfootfoot • Jan 30, 2013 8:33 pm
The high winds combined with the drop in temp usually dries things out.
ZenGum • Jan 30, 2013 8:33 pm
I think you can declare that a "weather event". Looks kinda scary.
orthodoc • Jan 30, 2013 8:41 pm
Just thinking about the rain (there's enough coming down to sheet and puddle on the road surfaces) and the rapid temperature drop - it's going to freeze under the snow. Hereabouts, they don't send the plows and salt trucks out until after the snow completely stops.

Why waste money when the snow's still coming down, is the thinking.
Amateurs. :rolleyes:
glatt • Jan 30, 2013 8:47 pm
It won't get that cold here, but in the last 20 minutes, it's gone from 68 down to 58, and it's still falling.
Trilby • Jan 31, 2013 8:09 am
we've a new thing here in Dayton where they pre-salt the roads BEFORE the snow/ice with salt and this new thing that they have which is cheaper and works better--some agricultural thing; in twenty years we'll find out it causes brain cancer but so far the roads aren't too bad.

Howling winds, my windows are shaking, my front door is rattling. Wolf wants in!
glatt • Jan 31, 2013 8:23 am
We survived the night just fine, and now it's a blustery day with the sun poking out from behind the clouds. I love this kind of weather. The wind is strong but not damaging, and the clouds are racing across the sky with a strong sunlight shining through every once and a while.

It's a vibrant day. There's electricity in the air. When I was a kid, this kind of weather would make me just tear around the playground.
infinite monkey • Jan 31, 2013 8:48 am
My car was pushed all over the interstate this morning. Seriously high winds. The roads were OK though.
orthodoc • Jan 31, 2013 8:49 am
footfootfoot;850806 wrote:
The high winds combined with the drop in temp usually dries things out.


You were right - no skating rinks. A little ice but nothing horrible. I need to remember that there are plenty of places in the US that equal Canada for snow experience and general lousy winter weather! :blush:

In fact, anyone from southern Ontario has nothing to say about snow. They shut down Toronto and Hamilton for an inch of the stuff. You have to get north of Toronto to get into the snow belts.
footfootfoot • Jan 31, 2013 12:04 pm
infinite monkey;850868 wrote:
My car was pushed all over the interstate this morning. Seriously high winds. The roads were OK though.


orthodoc;850869 wrote:
You were right - no skating rinks. A little ice but nothing horrible. I need to remember that there are plenty of places in the US that equal Canada for snow experience and general lousy winter weather! :blush:

In fact, anyone from southern Ontario has nothing to say about snow. They shut down Toronto and Hamilton for an inch of the stuff. You have to get north of Toronto to get into the snow belts.


When my sister moved to VA from NY she called to tell me that she was driving to work and the snow had just barely begun to fall, just a few flakes barely sticking, and people were skidding into ditches, abandoning their cars and walking. She didn't realize that not everyone knew how to drive in snow.

20 years later and she still shakes her head at southerners in snow.
Nirvana • Jan 31, 2013 12:08 pm
Ha! Trilby at the end of summer I buy pink flamingo sets for about 4 bucks for next years yard plantings ;)
busterb • Feb 11, 2013 8:07 pm
Rain!! !@#$%^ rain. Since Sunday
Griff • Feb 11, 2013 9:04 pm
38 more days Noah!
Gravdigr • Feb 14, 2013 3:22 pm
Yer gonna need a bigger boat.
Pete Zicato • Feb 21, 2013 11:37 pm
Snow's a-comin'.

Chicago is just getting it now.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 28, 2013 5:47 pm
With Drought Season Off to a Bad Start, Scientists Forecast Another Bleak Year

Drought conditions in more than half of the United States have slipped into a pattern that climatologists say is uncomfortably similar to the most severe droughts in recent U.S. history, including the 1930s Dust Bowl and the widespread 1950s drought.

The 2013 drought season is already off to a worse start than in 2012 or 2011—a trend that scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) say is a good indicator, based on historical records, that the entire year will be drier than last year, even if spring and summer rainfall and temperatures remain the same. If rainfall decreases and temperatures rise, as climatologists are predicting will happen this year, the drought could be even more severe.


Sounds bad and the maps look worse.
tw • Mar 28, 2013 8:10 pm
A 1930s drought was severe. But made devastating by mismanagement done by man. Facts explained in Ken Burn's PBS documentary: The Dust Bowl

Essential to averting disaster is science. Science to predict a disaster before it happens. And science to change mistakes so that a drought does not become a disaster.

Long ago, the informed had discussed a problem with a drying aquifer, too much unproductive farm land, and other problems on land that is now at environmental risk. One rather respected solution was to buy out many farmers. Convert acres of land back into prairie grass reserves. To protect or refresh ground water. To let soils recover from heavy farming. To protect rivers from top soil runoff. To diminish flooding (as now expected in the Dakotas). And a long list of other potential solutions.

But let's remember who was running our government then. Wacko extremists who even invented a mythical Saddam, destroyed the American economy, all but protected bin Laden, and uselessly massacred almost 5000 American servicemen. With leaders like that, then doing better science was all but impossible.

An array of satellites necessary for that science were canceled or quashed in proposal by an administration that hates science. One example was a satellite that wackos called GoreSat. Due to extremist hate of science, reality, and Democrats. Making victims or creating bogeymen is how extremists maintain power.

As described in Bush's Shrinking Safety Zone:
Top political appointees in the NASA press office exerted strong pressure during the 2004 presidential campaign to cut the flow of news releases on glaciers, climate, pollution and other earth sciences, public affairs officers at the agency say.


The irony: farmers today are doing well due to welfare from corn ethanol and crop insurance. Farm land prices are at all time high. Some layman only assumed drought means agricultural failure. Others who learn from recent history know otherwise. A drought does not automatically create agricultural failures or bankruptcies.

However, when farming was so prosperous and land prices so high (during a previous dry period), too many business school types ignored long term thinking. Resulting in severe agriculture downturns years later.

You cannot assume a drought and bad crops result in agricultural hardships. But we know one fact from so many previous droughts (including the 1930 Dust Bowl and the Ethiopian famine). Most of the problems are created by human mismanagement - not by the drought. Therefore we need more environmental science necessary for any long term agricultural planning. Not less as still advocated by George Jr's wackos and their legacy the tea party.

Space from Earth only discusses one example of the problem. Names include Aqua, Aura, Terra, and POES. But research into avoiding environmental disasters was subverted by George Jr. After all, it might discover who is really creating global warming. Wacko extremists today are continuing that effort by subverting new science in the name of their political fears, propaganda, and cost controls. Even advocate welfare to agriculture - ie corn ethanol. You would think they learn from the 2008 world wide food shortage. But they said they wanted America to fail.

Two recent examples were demonstrated by a near zero hurricane Sandy and by another serious low pressure system that followed three months later. Having been starved of funds, then American weather models did not accurately predict accordingly. More accurate on both storms were European weather models. Why did Europeans do better weather forecasting? Their governments and science are not subverted by wacko extremists who fear research into anything (including gun violence) and who prefer to enrich the rich. The European supercomputer was even better. Extremist legacy remains in numerous science tools (ie satellites, computer models, etc) that cannot happen in America.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 29, 2013 2:03 am
Found a new and interesting site for weather, http://forecast.io
Enter your address in the header bar, then click on local and click on the image. It will give you a very detailed forecast for the next four hours. It will show if it's a passing shower or you should move the whole picnic indoors.
On the right is the next hour, 24 hours, and week.
busterb • Mar 29, 2013 2:03 pm
Doesn't fly for me? Try again later.
ZenGum • Apr 2, 2013 6:51 pm
I saw that dust bowl doco over the last month. What a spectacular example of shitting in your own nest. Back then, at least some people could genuinely claim ignorance as an excuse. But, we're still led by short term decision making in a world with medium term variability.
glatt • Apr 3, 2013 8:20 am
ZenGum;859254 wrote:
I saw that dust bowl doco over the last month.


I saw it too. It was so fascinating.
Sundae • May 11, 2013 2:22 pm
In the middle of a cracking storm right now.
I mean an English storm, not one of the foreign ones that are spectacular and/or kill people.

Both cats are inside, so it's a cosy feeling.
The 'rents have to get back from Mass, but they can always get a taxi or shelter in the pub (their new routine is to have supper there on the way home.)
Haven't had a daylight weekend storm for ages.

I might just go doze to the sound of thunder for a while.
It's to the South so I'll only see reflected lightning.
ZenGum • May 11, 2013 7:34 pm
We've had the warmest summer on record, and it's still going. There has been a bushfire in the Adelaide Hills, out of control for the last three days, in MAY. We've finally got a few showers of rain, which is helping.

I've long since given up on there being a "normal". Times they are a-changin', we'll just have to hope, and wait and see.
Lamplighter • May 12, 2013 9:54 pm
I did not know such things happened. :3_eyes:
... after the ubiquitous 30-second ad. :eyebrow:

A "wave" of ice slowly comes on shore from Mille Lacs Lake area of Minnesota. (USA Today - May 12)
tw • May 12, 2013 11:54 pm
ZenGum;864745 wrote:
Times they are a-changin', we'll just have to hope, and wait and see.
Years ago, George Jr supporters reported that Global Cooling was ongoing. What they say is never supported by numbers. Therefore it must be true.
BigV • May 14, 2013 12:29 am
it was 80 degrees last week. HOT. sunny, clear, HOT.

Today, thundershowers, 60 degrees, hail. yeesh. this is why I left Oklahoma.
glatt • May 14, 2013 8:13 am
Freeze warning last night, 39 this morning when I got up, it will be 85 tomorrow.

Temperature fluctuations. We has them.
ZenGum • May 14, 2013 8:54 am
Hot flushes?
BigV • May 14, 2013 5:41 pm
that's whatcha get after indian or mexican dinners, yah?
ZenGum • Jun 8, 2013 9:52 am
If you're still interested in Fire Tornados, the full report is now online, here:

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3774941.htm

From the Transcript:
NARRATION
In the aftermath, it was clear that the worst damage was due to something much more savage than an ordinary firestorm.

Rick McRae
There was a police car that was picked off the ground and dumped into a stormwater drain. There was a series of streets on the southern edge of Chapman, which had suffered severe wind damage as well as fire damage, and that was difficult to explain.

NARRATION
What hit Canberra had never before been documented in science.

Cameraman
Holy shit!
Griff • Jun 8, 2013 11:00 am
Your homeland is trying to kill you.

That was worth watching btw.
ZenGum • Jun 9, 2013 1:03 am
I think the really important bit is the bit about high winds over lee facing slopes creating mountain waves, causing deep flaming and lateral spreading along the ridge-line. That is the sort of thing that will happen fairly often, and we need to understand it.

The fire tornado itself is scary as heck and very spectacular, but such things are very rare. I hope.
Gravdigr • Jul 28, 2013 1:27 pm
The high today is to be only 80F. No humidity. It's beautiful!! Baby and I are headed to the river, gonna grab some hotdogs & buns, some beer, build a fire on the riverbank, and enjoy the sun, the river, the woods, and each other.

When you get a July day like this in KY, you STFU and take it. See ya, suckers.

This is gonna be a great day.:cheerldr:
ZenGum • Jul 28, 2013 8:15 pm
Your soundtrack for today:

[YOUTUBE]oSVnj3YtDZE[/YOUTUBE]


Sometimes you're golden, man.
Gravdigr • Jul 29, 2013 4:59 pm
That chick trying to hula that hoop, has all the moves of a cornstalk. :lol2:
BigV • Jul 31, 2013 12:46 pm
state wide burn ban instituted today.

two large fires burning east of here.

today is cool, under seventy for the predicted high, and a measurable amount of rain for tomorrow, but no lifting of the burn ban until the end of september.
Lamplighter • Aug 9, 2013 11:37 pm
PDX is pink this evening...

Around 7 pm, a thunderstorm traveled across the peak of Mt Hood,
and on NE across the Columbia River. Lots of lightning.

FWIW, there is a rainbow in this pic... it's just one of those invisible kind.
tw • Aug 12, 2013 1:44 am
Lamplighter;872895 wrote:
FWIW, there is a rainbow in this pic... it's just one of those invisible kind.
If a rainbow cannot be seen by a camera, does it make a noise?
glatt • Aug 12, 2013 8:40 am
Rainbows have to be very vivid to photograph. And even then, they don't look particularly good.
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BigV • Aug 12, 2013 11:44 am
july was hot and dry. no daytime highs less than 70 deg F and none higher than 90 deg F, zero precipitation. it's crispy.
Gravdigr • Aug 13, 2013 11:14 am
Here in KY, we got off soooo lucky for July. I don't think it broke 90 degrees the whole month. In fact, I don't think we've broken 90 except for the first week of June. August has been just lovely, a little damp, but lovely. My hayfever is a little snottier/eye-boogerier than usual, I guess the ragweed is doing well what with all the rain...I'll happily suffer for 80s in August.

BTW, our first week of August was in the mid-70s!
Undertoad • Aug 13, 2013 11:17 am
Yeah, yeah, after the heat wave it's been pretty spectacular on the east coast!
Gravdigr • Aug 13, 2013 11:22 am
glatt;873020 wrote:
Rainbows have to be very vivid to photograph. And even then, they don't look particularly good.


Most vivid rainbow I've ever seen (and, no, the pic does not do it justice). Also the only one where I could see the entire thing, end to end. Was byooful. And I didn't have my camera.

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sub-megapixel phonecam pic, moving at ~35mph, while driving
tw • Aug 13, 2013 2:12 pm
Gravdigr;873188 wrote:
sub-megapixel phonecam pic, moving at ~35mph, while driving
Even HDTV (only the American version) does not work at that speed.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 13, 2013 2:43 pm
Upstream from me they got another 6.5 inches of rain last night, and over South Jersey the lightning was so intense they were warning people to stay indoors. :unsure:
Sundae • Aug 13, 2013 3:03 pm
Grav - tis beautiful.

Rain and storms holding off here, thank goodness.
Am no longer really affected by the heat because I leave early-early, and work in an air-conditioned store above a chiller counter. I'm only hot when I leave, but it takes me 25 minutes to walk home and then I can just collapse.

Because I've been working overtime I'm tired enough to crash out between 19.00-21.00. I pretty much sleep through until 05.00 if I don't count Diz-related wake-ups. But he's been tolerable recently; his system's out of whack with my new schedule. He can't work out why the food lady is up in the middle of the night. That was his job.

Sorry, back to the weather.
Selfishly I want the rain to hold off.
Walking in will be thoroughly miserable in the rain.
And I'm beginning to appreciate the turning of the seasons. Since I started training it's already getting lighter later. I need to get Dads to check the overhead light in my room, which hasn't worked since I tried to clean it back in June.
It's going to start making a difference SOON.
Gravdigr • Aug 13, 2013 4:28 pm
Thankee, ma'am.
Gravdigr • Aug 26, 2013 4:05 pm
It hailed here.

Back in June.

For about a minute-and-a-half.

You could almost see the hailstones.

[YOUTUBE]WEUcXdAUbJA[/YOUTUBE]

Yeah, I'm bored as hell.
tw • Aug 27, 2013 9:10 am
George Jr said the grid is antiquated. We have done nothing replace that antiquated grid. And so another hot summer with no major failures of an 'obsolete' grid. As pockets of electric shortages occurred, the 'antiquated' grid identified those problems and averted them in advance. Many TLRs and load relief actions occurred this summer. And none made news. Because an antiquated grid was smarter than George Jr.
glatt • Aug 27, 2013 9:30 am
And because they did a hell of a lot of tree trimming a couple years ago.
Gravdigr • Aug 28, 2013 10:53 am
If you ever have to remove a trimmed/broken limb from a powerline, always grab it (if you must) above the powerline.

Electricity runs downhill.
BigV • Aug 29, 2013 11:56 am
ugh.

it's not even 9 am and already it's 78 deg in the house, and it's raining. sweaty, muggy, miserable.
Lamplighter • Aug 31, 2013 1:09 am
Hey, if you have clear skies Saturday morning,
get outside before sunrise... it's crowded over there in the East.
orthodoc • Sep 13, 2013 3:31 pm
The flooding in northern Colorado has stranded my daughter in Fort Collins. She was supposed to fly to DC today but all bridges are closed/damaged and all roads and highways closed. She lives in a neighborhood on slightly higher ground than the evacuated areas, and so far is safe. I'm fervently hoping the rain doesn't persist until Sunday, as it's forecast to. If the dam at the Horsetooth Reservoir fails, it'll be very bad.

Eta - the reservoir isn't close to full and the dam is fine. That's a relief.
Gravdigr • Sep 13, 2013 4:37 pm
Today is September 13, 2013. The high for my piece of KY today was 73.
limegreenc • Sep 13, 2013 9:10 pm
Up here in Can a da it was a breezy 54 degrees...bbrr
Gravdigr • Sep 14, 2013 5:34 pm
Today it (the high) was 71.

:jig:
monster • Sep 14, 2013 5:56 pm
Today's high 23C. The low? 3. Now I know why adults wear zip off pants in Michigan. (They shouldn't, but they do)
glatt • Sep 16, 2013 8:59 am
We went camping on Saturday, and even with me advising everyone to pack enough warm clothes because it was going to be 50F in the evening and when we wake up Sunday morning, I was the only one who had a nice heavy weight fleece. They were all uncomfortable when the sun went down. Fortunately, I had thrown in a few fleece blankets for extra warmth in the tents, so everyone wrapped up in those. Hard to believe it was 90F just a couple days ago.

Excellent little camping trip though. Good sleeping weather.
Lamplighter • Sep 28, 2013 12:19 pm
The first winter storm of the season is just off the Oregon coast now, and in 24 hours
will be hooking around to hit the shore 5-6 inches of rain predicted overnight !
It looks as tho it will come ashore right at my G-son's place in Tillamook (lower right).

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This will be another test of the multi-year program of the
Army Corp of Engineers, the State, the County, and the City.
The area has been completely re-surveyed via satellite and traditional means.
Roads have been re-routed and drainages have been cleared and "improved".
Laws and regulations have been strengthened to convince landowners
to do their part in keeping the channels flowing freely.
Lamplighter • Sep 29, 2013 9:38 am
Wow ! What a storm.
The winds and rain came through in 2 "blows", but it is subsiding now.

Even our local rivers are showing the effects (70 miles from the coast).
Here is the Sandy River that drains the west side of Mt Hood
into the Columbia River just on the eastern edge of PDX.

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The old record (at this guage) was 10.5 ft back in 1921.
Last night it peaked at 10.86 ft
Lamplighter • Sep 30, 2013 1:03 pm
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) &#8212; A big storm on the last weekend of the month
helped make for the wettest September on record in many parts of Oregon.

The National Weather Service reports the 6.21 inches recorded through Sunday
in downtown Portland was the most since record-keeping began in 1872.

The Oregon coast received (Astoria) 10.51 inches

Fortunately, this rainfall came at the end of summer with little snow in the mountains.
But still... the run-off is now hitting the coastal and Willamette Valley rivers.

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Look out Kansas... it's heading east !
Griff • Sep 30, 2013 6:14 pm
Sunny in the sixties, perfect Fall weather for leaf-turning and all manner of outdoor nonsense.
Sundae • Oct 26, 2013 5:04 pm
Battoning down the hatches for the storm tomorrow (Sunday) night.
Nowhere near as ferocious as storms in other parts of the Cellar, but predictions suggest damage, localised flooding etc.

I'll be okay tomorrow morning (esp after an extra hour in bed, clocks go back, yay!) but Monday morning I'll be leaving the house while it is still stormy, at 06.00.

And to think Mum wanted me to give Abigail my waterproof jacket to protect the twins if it was rainy?! Errr, no - she is going to Great Yarmouth on holiday in October. She has 2 18 month olds, not me. And her partner, parents and brother will be there. I willl be walking to and from work, you know, in my customer facing job. I have suitable clothes. For me.

It's not a competition for affection. But I think I'm the more deserving anyway. So I win. I keep my cagoul and showed Mum how to get some off Amazon, she was made up.
Lamplighter • Oct 26, 2013 11:02 pm
PDX does not have fireflies... maybe they are present in other areas of Oregon.
But here, something interesting happens in autumn when the maple leaves have fallen.

The lady glowworms start crawling about under the leaves looking for friendship.
During the day, they are very hard to see, they snuggle under small rocks.
But at night, if you let your eye become accustomed to the dark, you can find them.

Oh, they do give a delicate light.

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But in daylight, not so handsome...

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Of course, all the kids know this one...
Pete Zicato • Oct 28, 2013 10:32 pm
Are you Brits staying battened down? I hear it's high winds over there.
Sundae • Oct 29, 2013 6:46 am
We got nothing. Ppft. Boring old Vale.
DanaC • Oct 29, 2013 6:59 am
It's pretty blustery up here in the village. But nothing like what's happened in some of the South.

But yeah. High winds and sideways rain.
busterb • Oct 31, 2013 1:12 pm
Spookie, spook day. Also very damp.
footfootfoot • Oct 31, 2013 1:22 pm
DanaC;881871 wrote:
It's pretty blustery up here in the village. But nothing like what's happened in some of the South.

But yeah. High winds and sideways rain.


Thackray:

The rain is on the mountainside,
The beast is in the silent meadow,
The north countryside is patiently waiting again.
Blackbird is dumb in the juniper,
Lapwing shivers in the dripping thicket,
Down in the stone-faced town, one door opens.

For though the weather blow wild
I see the shepherd step up to his moorside;
And in despite of the cold
The poor farmer going to his meadow below,
Going to his meadow below.

When the birch tree is agonised
And when the little river is tormented,
The land on its knees, the house on its hunkers,
There is a figure moving by the wall,
Leaning for breath upon a stony shoulder,
His eyes to the skies seldom lifted.

For though the weather blow wild
I see the shepherd step up to his moorside;
And in despite of the cold
The poor farmer going to his meadow below,
Going to his meadow below.

North-Country countryside,
The grim indifference of your nature,
Most other men would turn, stumbling homeward.
But this one is a different kind:
He knows the pinches of an older hunger;
A greater storm than yours in his heart rages.

For though the weather blow wild
I see the shepherd whistling on his moorside;
And in despite of the cold
The poor farmer singing in his meadow below,
Singing in his meadow below.
orthodoc • Oct 31, 2013 9:44 pm
At first I thought this was a poem of William M. Thackeray ... but I should've known you would never misspell a name, f3.

As much as I've seen, so often I realize I've seen nothing.
DanaC • Nov 1, 2013 4:25 am
That's lovely. Very evocative of the country round here.
footfootfoot • Nov 1, 2013 8:01 am
He was your countryman, Dana.

@ Ortho, I've put some of his songs on that disc for you...
DanaC • Nov 1, 2013 4:38 pm
Aye. I love Jake Thackray. I think I may have posted the odd toob clip on here.

He always reminded me of my English teacher at high school. Different accent, but similar manner.

Couldn't find a vid of him performing North Country Song, but a kind toob person has uploaded the song from the album:

[YOUTUBE]BNeehTHCohQ[/YOUTUBE]

Always better to see him perform though. There's just something about the guy.

This is one of my favourites:

Molly Metcalfe

[YOUTUBE]TiXINuf5nbI[/YOUTUBE]

And on a lighter note, but also a favourite:

The Bull

[YOUTUBE]9PG6sITiNEs[/YOUTUBE]
DanaC • Nov 1, 2013 4:40 pm
I just realised something. He looks like someone merged Rowan Atkinson and Peter Capaldi.

Also: cultural note - the Yan Tan Tethera counting system exists in slightly different forms in many areas of the country.

Yan Tan Tethera is a sheep counting rhyme/system traditionally used by shepherds in Northern England and earlier in other parts of England and the British Isles.[1] Until the Industrial Revolution, the use of traditional number systems was common among shepherds, especially in the dales of the Lake District. The Yan Tan Tethera system was also used for counting stitches in knitting. The words derive from a Brythonic Celtic language.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yan_tan_tethera
BigV • Nov 1, 2013 4:52 pm
blocked in my country, darn you EMI
DanaC • Nov 1, 2013 4:55 pm
Blast!
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 1, 2013 4:58 pm
Just the first video, the other two play.
DanaC • Nov 1, 2013 4:58 pm
DanaC;882212 wrote:
That's lovely. Very evocative of the country round here.


Just to clarify: the country round here meaning within easy distance from my village. I'm in West Ridings of Yorkshire, and Swaledale is in the North Ridings. Slightly more uncompromising countryside as you move further North. Though the moors near here are pretty bleak (Wuthering Heights country).
Griff • Nov 12, 2013 6:53 am
2+ inches of snow!
footfootfoot • Nov 12, 2013 12:28 pm
DanaC;882298 wrote:
Just to clarify: the country round here meaning within easy distance from my village. I'm in West Ridings of Yorkshire, and Swaledale is in the North Ridings. Slightly more uncompromising countryside as you move further North. Though the moors near here are pretty bleak (Wuthering Heights country).


And the home of the original "Frog and Peach" restaurant.


[YOUTUBE]lzCP6kmZGWk[/YOUTUBE]
orthodoc • Nov 12, 2013 7:51 pm
footfootfoot;882225 wrote:


@ Ortho, I've put some of his songs on that disc for you...


Thank you, foot!
Lamplighter • Nov 17, 2013 2:02 pm
The Baltimore/Chicago football game at Soldiers Field, Chicago,
has been delayed due to a lightning storm.
All the fans in the seating are were asked to move under cover,
and everyone on the field left for locker rooms, etc.

The squares on this radar map were lightning strikes...
Lamplighter • Nov 17, 2013 5:22 pm
The above map of lightning strikes shows both positive and
negative strikes. Here is a brief explanation...

NOAA
National Weather Service

The Positive and Negative Side of Lightning
The previous section describes what is called "negative lightning",
because there is the transfer of negative charge from the cloud to the ground.
However, not all lightning forms in the negatively charged region under the thunderstorm base.
<snip>
Positive lightning makes up less than 5% of all strikes.
However, despite a significantly lower rate of occurrence,
positive lightning is particularly dangerous for several reasons.
Since it originates in the upper levels of a storm, the amount of air
it must burn through to reach the ground usually much greater.

Therefore, its electric field typically is much stronger than a negative strike.
Its flash duration is longer, and its peak charge and potential can be ten times greater
than a negative strike; as much as 300,000 amperes and one billion volts!

Some positive strikes can occur within the parent thunderstorm and strike the ground
beneath the cloud. However, many positive strikes occur near the edge
of the cloud or strike MORE THAN 10 MILES AWAY, where you may not perceive
any risk nor hear any thunder.

Also, positive flashes are believed to be responsible for a large percentage
of forest fires and power line damage. Thus, positive lightning is much more lethal
and causes greater damage than negative lightning.
Pico and ME • Nov 17, 2013 5:58 pm
We got hit with something in Kokomo. I had just picked up my prescription at the Walmart pharmacy, when they started telling customers to go to the back of the store. About 10minutes later we lost the lights and the wind was roaring like a freight train. I left as soon as the tornado warning expired and I saw a lot of damage...roofs and porches blown off, power lines and some trees down and lots of damage to commercial buildings. It seemed the damage followed a path, but it looked really scattered, not as if a tornado blasted through.
orthodoc • Nov 17, 2013 8:30 pm
Glad you're all right, Pico! That line of storms is incredible. I'm sitting in a small hotel near the Pittsburgh airport, waiting for the storms to come through. I just hope M'town doesn't get hit too hard - my cats are there. I know, small concern in the scheme of things, but they depend on me.
Sundae • Nov 18, 2013 4:40 pm
DanaC;882298 wrote:
Just to clarify: the country round here meaning within easy distance from my village. I'm in West Ridings of Yorkshire, and Swaledale is in the North Ridings.


Sorry to divert the weather. Weather thread I mean.
We sell Swaledale Cheddar. I don't like it. Nice enough cheese, but I list it as one of my "dirty" cheeses. Got quite heavy a rind on it and that means an old heave-ho on the cheese wire, and scatterings of powder over everything. Okay when it's quiet, but if the next person is buying St Agur or any of the lovely sticky blues it involves the waiting customer waiting longer for a proper clean-up first (as opposed to selling back to back cheddars for example, which only require a quick wipe).

The 'rents paper is predicting doom and gloom and snow flurries as of tomorrow.
I expect to see none here. Boooooooo.
DanaC • Nov 18, 2013 5:32 pm
Yeah....'pparently we have a fortnight's snow and ice to look forward to.

Wish I could send you ours. It is way less fun when you have to walk a dog three times a day. And when there are very few flat roads to walk on.
tw • Nov 19, 2013 12:31 am
Pico and ME;883656 wrote:
We got hit with something in Kokomo.
Is the Gold Dust (or whatever that Steak House was called) still in operation?
Sundae • Nov 19, 2013 3:05 pm
It was chillier today I admit.
Clear blue skies but no wind. Leaving at 06.00 skews my opinion though.

Q: do I really have nifty range of outer-weer or do I just not compliment enough?
I have people both in store and on the street stop me to praise my hats and coats. I can't remember ever doing that to others.

Oh, was icy on the little bridge to get to the store. Slippy-icy. Must remember. Stupid constructions. WHY can't paving stones and wooden walkways be made frost-free?! Am entering the period of terror of falling.

If temp drops into single figures I have to stop moaning about it.
Because then it's not due to my medication any more, and everyone will be in the same boat.
I need to ditch the fashion glow-in-the-dark skelly gloves and break out my hot pink Arran sheepskin ones. Am already wearing the handknitted socks when I wear boots.
Pico and ME • Nov 19, 2013 5:00 pm
tw;883802 wrote:
Is the Gold Dust (or whatever that Steak House was called) still in operation?



I've only been here for 11 years and never heard of it. Neither has my husband.
Gravdigr • Nov 19, 2013 6:26 pm
Golden Corral, maybe? There's one of those in Kokomo.

Kokomo is fun to type.

Yeah, I'm pretty easy to entertain sometimes.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 19, 2013 9:39 pm
The tornado lifted the roof, blew the window in, blew the shade up an out, and dropped the roof on it. :eek:
fargon • Nov 19, 2013 10:32 pm
xoxoxoBruce;883885 wrote:
The tornado lifted the roof, blew the window in, blew the shade up an out, and dropped the roof on it. :eek:


Bruce is that your house?
tw • Nov 19, 2013 11:19 pm
Pico and ME;883851 wrote:
I've only been here for 11 years and never heard of it. Neither has my husband.
It was somewhere west of the Chrysler plant and south of the Kokomo mall.

Also did the Golden Corral there on the south side off 31. While waiting for the steak, I pigged out on the many salsd bars. Suddenly a steak arrived, I had forgotten about the steak - ate too much.

I also remember a place where you catch the catfish, then have it cooked.

Is Denny's still there?

The people there also loved chicken fried steaks.

It was the first venue where I found tornado shelters throughout the building I believe marked by blue lights.

Update: found it-
Gold Rush
Is it still there?
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 19, 2013 11:37 pm
fargon;883893 wrote:
Bruce is that your house?


No no, I'm snug in eastern PA. That was a picture I gleaned off the web, which I thought was unusual.
DanaC • Nov 20, 2013 2:51 am
One of the things I love about my country is that the weather is rarely lethal.
glatt • Nov 20, 2013 8:22 am
xoxoxoBruce;883885 wrote:
The tornado lifted the roof, blew the window in, blew the shade up an out, and dropped the roof on it. :eek:


That's amazing.

Tornadoes are so freaky. This picture is right up there with the famous pictures of the stalks of straw blown through a telephone pole.
Clodfobble • Nov 20, 2013 9:31 am
The pinpoint path of destruction always amazes me as well. One house in a tornado's path will be gone, completely leveled to the ground, and the house next door will appear untouched. At least with flooding, you know that all your neighbors got equally screwed.
footfootfoot • Nov 20, 2013 11:53 am
Or a redneck divorce...
tw • Nov 20, 2013 11:15 pm
Clodfobble;883933 wrote:
The pinpoint path of destruction always amazes me as well. One house in a tornado's path will be gone, completely leveled to the ground, and the house next door will appear untouched.
Detailed pictures for Hurricane Andrew in Time Magazine demonstrated why. Look closely. An aerial photo showed the entire block leveled. Look closely at houses across the street. Not one destroyed.

If its roof is not properly attached, it will lift off. Then the entire structure has been compromised - will easily fall like stacked cards. Those houses across the street apparently had hurricane straps. Those roofs did not fly. So those houses remained intact.

Visit a house being framed. Atop each stud are two horizontal 2x4s. It is called the plate. Observe outside corners. Do those 2x4s overlap? Or just butted together.

If corners are not properly constructed, then the house will fall like cards. If those 2x4s are not overlapped, then butted walls easy separate. Also half way up corner 2x4s MUST be blocks. So that intersecting walls are also joined half way up (4 feet). If these required construction practices do not exist (maybe half of homes are not done this way), then the house is an easy victim of any severe storm. And so across the street (on the edges of those Time Magazine pictures) was another block of houses that remained intact.

A devil is found in those details. Since I don't entertain the devil, then god recently visited me. But that's another topic.
busterb • Nov 23, 2013 8:03 pm
If this is right? Will be lots of rednecks in the ditch on the way to Grandmaws house for Turkey.
Griff • Nov 23, 2013 8:36 pm
Looks like a couple inches of effect snow tonight, but maybe something significant for the holiday.

Where I'd like to be:
http://www.killington.com/winter/multimedia/webcam
Gravdigr • Nov 25, 2013 5:21 pm
RFN.

Well, RFfifteenminutesago. 35°, & falling.

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orthodoc • Nov 27, 2013 12:00 am
We've had a light snowfall, very snow-globe, although the snow is heavy and will likely bring tree limbs down. Hopefully it won't result in power outages.

I'm surprised at how mild the whole Winter Storm Boreas thing is so far. I guess Boreas lost some momentum crossing the midwest.
Lamplighter • Nov 30, 2013 7:27 pm
Google Public Alerts: Special Weather Statement in Southwest Washington
Powerful Cold front to move through the Pacific Northwest Sunday and Monday.
Active for next 14 hours
National Weather Service

A "blue norther" is also coming down thru the Canadian Rockies

You all look out now... winter'll be in your neighborhood next.
glatt • Nov 30, 2013 8:23 pm
The refrigerator was too full to store the turkey broth I made yesterday, so I put it in the pot out on the back stoop under an inverted recycling bin, weighed down with several bricks to keep animals out. Anyway, the broth was frozen this morning.

Winter is here.
Griff • Nov 30, 2013 9:10 pm
Cross country skied three straight mornings. Same conclusion. :)
Lamplighter • Dec 4, 2013 8:57 am
Grass fires across New South Wales

Winter blizzards (2 fronts) from Utah to Minnesota

PDX is setting new records in the low 20's - clear and cold
The City has opened emergency shelters.
Blankets and coats given out to the homeless

And with a low front hanging off the coast, we may get freezing rain
in the near future and/or black ice on the roadways

... a favorite time of the year
Gravdigr • Dec 4, 2013 3:26 pm
74° here today.

Freaky.
Clodfobble • Dec 4, 2013 4:27 pm
Same here. Tank top weather, but some cold front's supposed to blow in tonight that might be so bad they close the schools. We're nothing if not inconsistent...
Gravdigr • Dec 4, 2013 5:20 pm
Sounds like us: If you don't like the weather, wait a minute.
limey • Dec 4, 2013 6:10 pm
Expecting some wind here in the next 24 hours. Gusts to 80-90mph. The ferry's cancelled til early afternoon at the earliest. Many rail services in Central Scotland also cancelled ... Lovely high tides expected too, but not quite coinciding with the worst of the winds.


Sent by thought transference
glatt • Dec 4, 2013 8:06 pm
Throw a rope over the roof and stake down the ends to hold the house down, Dorothy.
Griff • Dec 4, 2013 8:28 pm
Yikes! Hold onto your hats!

Our beautiful snow pretty much died today. :(
DanaC • Dec 5, 2013 5:38 am
Yeah, pretty windy up here in the Pennines too.

Halifax itself isn't too bad, because it's in the bowl of the hills, but my village, perched as it is on the top of one of those hills is being buffeted good and proper.
limey • Dec 5, 2013 8:43 am
That's the worst of it by us, I think ... Hope you're ok, Dana!


Sent by thought transference
DanaC • Dec 5, 2013 5:07 pm
Carrot and I are fine and unscathed :p

It was wild and blustery, but no major damage around here that I know of. I daresay a few people have discovered how many loose roof tiles they had on their houses, and the people on the main road will be retrieving wheelie bins and garden furniture from each other's gardens...but that's about it.
busterb • Dec 5, 2013 9:07 pm
80° today, tomorrow the roller coaster heads down again. HI mid 60s
lumberjim • Dec 6, 2013 1:20 am
60° right now. 1:20 am in South Jersey. 91% humility, too. Disgusting weather for December. And the forecast says snow on Sunday.
infinite monkey • Dec 6, 2013 11:28 am
Winter storm. It doesn't seem that bad to me, but even area colleges have closed. More snow/sleet coming. Of course, it never seems as bad when you get to hole up in your home. It's not enough for me though: cars are flying by at 60 mph just like always...it's the freaking Indy 500 on my road. I only hope the roads get bad enough to keep Scario Andretti and Slick Trickle home.
glatt • Dec 6, 2013 11:55 am
"It's snowing. Time to get in my 4x4. Yee haw."
Sundae • Dec 6, 2013 12:29 pm
Nary a hair out of place for me.
But then I did have a hat on.
DanaC • Dec 6, 2013 12:31 pm
Is that cause you're the Sun[COLOR="White"]dae[/COLOR]?
Lamplighter • Dec 6, 2013 12:49 pm
Look out, Texas.

Like I said, it's coming to getcha ...in Fahrenheit !
Clodfobble • Dec 6, 2013 3:03 pm
Yep, school started 2 hours late today, and it's supposed to freeze/sleet again tonight.

That's the problem with Texas winters, it doesn't get cold enough to freeze the moisture up in the clouds and make it snow like in truly cold states. It just gets barely cold enough to freeze a thick coat of ice over everything, which ends up being more dangerous since you can't just shove it off the roads like you can with snow.
Lamplighter • Dec 6, 2013 3:11 pm
Dallas was the place where I first heard the phrase "fender-bender weather"
Lamplighter • Dec 6, 2013 9:01 pm
Geeez, high 20's now, but low teens tonight and maybe single digits tomorrow night.

I usually tell people PDX and the Willamette Valley have mild temps,
but these are extraordinary.
We will let the faucets drip a little to (hopefully) keep pipes from freezing.

Brrr....
Lola Bunny • Dec 7, 2013 12:39 pm
It was just in the high 70's a few days ago and now it's about 34 degrees. I wish I could drink some hot cocoa and snuggle under the fleece blanket and watch a movie.
Gravdigr • Dec 7, 2013 4:47 pm
infinite monkey;885177 wrote:
I only hope the roads get bad enough to keep Scario Andretti and Slick Trickle home.


Ya don't hafta change Dick Trickle's name to make it funny.
Sundae • Dec 7, 2013 5:05 pm
DanaC;885189 wrote:
Is that cause you're the Sun[COLOR="White"]dae[/COLOR]?

Snort.
It's because I'm not a boxing fan. I can leave my Hatton.
Chocolatl • Dec 8, 2013 8:15 am
High of 82F here in Florida today. Sigh. Winter, where y'at?
Clodfobble • Dec 8, 2013 9:47 am
You must have left it in your other pants--which you left here in Texas, apparently. Please come and collect them immediately, they're kind of bumming us all out. But on the plus side, it does give me an excuse to wear my fancy knee-high boots.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 8, 2013 4:51 pm
They said flurries, followed by a little sleet, then rain.
They said. :eyebrow:
Clodfobble • Dec 8, 2013 11:02 pm
But it makes your car look like a Santa hat!
Lamplighter • Dec 9, 2013 4:25 pm
PDX had record lows over the weekend, but starting to warm up now

My wife and I spent the weekend at the Oregon coast in the Port of Garibaldi
... a fishing port and lumber mill since the earliest days of Oregon
when there were no roads through the forests.

We almost missed this sunrise, but opened the window blinds just in time.

[ATTACH]46176[/ATTACH]

Then last evening at dinner, as the sun went beyond the ocean horizon,
the sunset was spectacular, and I went out to the car to get my camera.
I had left it at the motel. :(

So you'll just have to imagine what that sunset was like.
Sundae • Dec 10, 2013 4:00 am
Lamplighter;885467 wrote:
I went out to the car to get my camera.
I had left it at the motel. :(

So you'll just have to imagine what that sunset was like.

Your pain, I feel it.

I caught a glimpse of a newspaper headline this morning promising 180mph winds. Seems unlikely, at least in this country. It was on the morning review of the papers, so I didn't get to see it properly.

As long as it doesn't stop me getting to the panto I don't really care #selfish.
Gravdigr • Dec 10, 2013 4:58 pm
...aaaaaaand it's winter.
orthodoc • Dec 10, 2013 7:35 pm
Snow in Charleston today! Lots of fun. Honestly, I was impressed by the local drivers. They can't encounter snow very often, but they were appropriately cautious given that no one has snow tires.
Griff • Dec 11, 2013 6:50 am
16F this fine morning!
DanaC • Dec 11, 2013 6:55 am
It's been really mild just lately. When the wind blows it can be a bit chilly, but the resting temperature has been pretty high for the time of year.
lumberjim • Dec 11, 2013 7:19 am
lumberjim;885142 wrote:
60° right now. 1:20 am in South Jersey. 91% humility, too. Disgusting weather for December. And the forecast says snow on Sunday.


It snowed, alright. And again on tuesday.

19° at the moment. I fell awake early this morning.

Image
Lamplighter • Dec 11, 2013 10:03 am
LJ, Neat pic... stitched or fish eye or ?
Sundae • Dec 11, 2013 11:59 am
Frosty fog this morning. Lovely.
Almost composed an almost-poem to the rhythm of my footfall. I doubt I walk in iambic pentameter.
But December pre-dawn gave me some great images.
glatt • Dec 11, 2013 12:11 pm
Made the rookie mistake of not cleaning off the car yesterday when it was all soft slushy snow. This morning, the guy on the radio said it took him 20 minutes to get into his car and get the ice off it, so I thought I'd help my wife out by starting it up and letting it defrost. Took a few moments to get in. I was afraid I would break a handle tugging on it, and finally found a back door that would open a crack at the bottom so I could get my finger tips in there to pull the whole door open. Then by slamming it repeatedly, the increased cabin air pressure loosened the driver's door so I could get that one open.

Letting the car run for 15 minutes loosened the ice off the windshield. I let her clear that loosened ice, because I was off to the Metro on foot.

Next time I'll remember to clear off the car before it refreezes. No excuse, really.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 11, 2013 12:38 pm
Last Sunday.
Lamplighter • Dec 11, 2013 11:04 pm
Crap !

Freezing rain predicted
... and I have 3 appointments in different places tomorrow :thepain2:

.
fargon • Dec 12, 2013 6:36 am
Rite now it is 5F, wind chill -6, 67% humidity. BRRR
Griff • Dec 12, 2013 6:37 am
6F here. ouch
glatt • Dec 12, 2013 8:37 am
It's in the 20s here, which isn't so bad, but that wind is surprisingly strong and cold.
Gravdigr • Dec 12, 2013 6:35 pm
14 here last night. Not quite that bad tonight, though.

Even so, Brrr!
lumberjim • Dec 13, 2013 8:09 am
Lamplighter;885668 wrote:
LJ, Neat pic... stitched or fish eye or ?


Panorama
And Glatt. .. remote start. Usually about $350. Great Christmas gift
Lamplighter • Dec 16, 2013 10:12 am
monster;886135 wrote:
Hell freezes over every year.<snip>


I didn't know there was a playground in Hell ... this morning the temp there is 10° F
BigV • Dec 20, 2013 11:14 am
Flash photography - - pictures you take in your underwear, like this one, taken in and with a flash.

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Lamplighter • Dec 28, 2013 9:25 pm
Look out, Texas... coming to getcha again.

The purple spermatid warriors are organizing an eastern flank attack
... defensive forces are still in disarray.
tw • Dec 28, 2013 10:09 pm
Buy orange juice before it all freezes.
Undertoad • Jan 2, 2014 9:02 am
Prediction for Casa Toad in the next 24 hours:

National Weather Service: 4-6"
Weather Channel: 4-6"
Accuweather: 3-6"
NBC local: 4-7"
FOX local: 3-6"
ABC local: 3-6"
CBS local: 4-6"
Eastern PA Weather Authority: 6-10"

Somebody's being an attention whore this morning.
Griff • Jan 2, 2014 9:33 am
... WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 10 AM THIS MORNING TO 10 AM EST FRIDAY...

* LOCATIONS... NORTHEAST PENNSYLVANIA AND SULLIVAN COUNTY NEW YORK.

* HAZARDS... HEAVY SNOW... BLOWING SNOW AND DANGEROUSLY COLD WIND CHILLS.

* TOTAL SNOW ACCUMULATIONS... 5 TO 9 INCHES OF SNOW BY FRIDAY MORNING.

* WIND CHILLS... WILL DROP AS LOW AS MINUS 15 TO MINUS 25 DEGREES LATE THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY MORNING.


Yeah, I'm not really gonna go ahead and stop by work today.
classicman • Jan 2, 2014 11:10 am
I'm seeing anything from snow showers to 4-7" for me.
That about narrows it down, eh?
Griff • Jan 2, 2014 11:36 am
This may not fit here but did Corbett run on a platform of no longer plowing the roads? The schools are constantly closed and the roadways are a dangerous mess.
lumberjim • Jan 2, 2014 6:18 pm
Snowing here.. 5-8" expected
lumberjim • Jan 2, 2014 6:19 pm
Of snow
glatt • Jan 2, 2014 6:48 pm
IT'S SNOWING!!!

[/little kid]
Aliantha • Jan 2, 2014 7:10 pm
It is expected to climb over 100F today. Even hotter tomorrow.

Stop making me jealous with your cool temp posts.
Griff • Jan 2, 2014 7:29 pm
11° F and dropping here Ali choose your poison.
lumberjim • Jan 2, 2014 7:46 pm
Amazing planet we live on
busterb • Jan 2, 2014 7:59 pm
Have to go to va on Monday. 1st app at 11am, but the wind is suppose to be around 20 mph. So I can leave here at 5:30am and pick my parking place or wait till later and hope for a parking place maybe 1/2 mile away. Notice the last nights temp. 14 is ruff for here.
Lamplighter • Jan 2, 2014 9:02 pm
It's not often you see a 100 degrees difference in temps on a map.
But from +63 to -40 is on this map around 9 pm EST.

Canadians in Quebec and Ontario may think us Yanks are a bunch of whooses.
All across these 2 provinces last night, they had temps of lower than -25, down to -40
... and will again tonight.
glatt • Jan 2, 2014 10:20 pm
Snow is almost done here. I just cleaned off the car. I'm all proud of myself. It would have been one inch of pretty solid ice in the morning, coating the whole car. It took a minute or two just now, and would have been a huge job in the morning. I remembered!
fargon • Jan 3, 2014 9:46 am
-2F up from -10F.
Undertoad • Jan 3, 2014 10:52 am
Undertoad;888047 wrote:
Prediction for Casa Toad in the next 24 hours:

National Weather Service: 4-6"
Weather Channel: 4-6"
Accuweather: 3-6"
NBC local: 4-7"
FOX local: 3-6"
ABC local: 3-6"
CBS local: 4-6"
Eastern PA Weather Authority: 6-10"

Somebody's being an attention whore this morning.


Actual: 6", but some places reported 9", so broadly everyone was right and wrong. As usual!
Carruthers • Jan 3, 2014 1:57 pm
The weather on this side of the Atlantic has been nothing but high winds and torrential rain for the past couple of weeks. A mighty storm hit the UK on Monday of last week which resulted in floods and damage to overhead power lines. Thousands of homes were without electricity for several days, including Christmas Day. Another storm hit us on the Friday and inflicted more damage. Tuesday was nothing but driving rain all day and today (Fri 3rd Jan) we've had thunderstorms and hail.

As I type, yet another deep area of low pressure is out in the Atlantic and winding itself up to visit storm and tempest upon this sceptered isle.

The weather chap on the TV explained that our current problems are another manifestation of what is happening in the north east United States. Where the dense Arctic air is meeting the warm air mass from the south, it is creating an extremely strong jetstream which is heading our way and creating the mighty atmospheric turbulence we are seeing at the moment.
He showed a graphic of the two air masses and the daytime high in Quebec was -22C and in Florida +19C. Well, there was never going to be a happy ending to that, was there?

As we British would say, 'mustn't grumble'. But we do;)
Gravdigr • Jan 3, 2014 2:33 pm
13° here last night. That's pretty damn chilly for my neck o' the woods. Warming all the way to Tuesday or Wednesday [ETA: Moved up to Monday, now] when our hi/lo is forecast as 8°/4°. The previous day to those numbers will be 45°.
lumberjim • Jan 3, 2014 4:03 pm
8" Heavy, fine powder. With a nice layer of slush at the bottom so it sticks to your shovel. What fun.
Gravdigr • Jan 3, 2014 4:17 pm
Gonna be ugly Sunday night/Monday morning.

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Griff • Jan 3, 2014 5:08 pm
lumberjim;888170 wrote:
8" Heavy, fine powder. With a nice layer of slush at the bottom so it sticks to your shovel. What fun.


All powder here. Good snowblower weather. Currently 0°F at about sunset, cover your tucas.
Aliantha • Jan 3, 2014 6:37 pm
9.30am and 100f already.

We are taking the kids to the science centre.
tw • Jan 3, 2014 9:00 pm
The cost and transporting electricity is typically between $20 and $40 per megawatt hour. To put that into perspective, you might pay 13 cents per kilowatt hour or $130 per megawatt hour retail. These costs mean utilities make a small and consistent profit.

However utilities buy electricity on the spot market. Sometimes demand and other factors cause their purchase prices to increase.

I rarely see costs this high. For example, instead of paying maybe $30 on the spot market, the cost of electricity in Wellsboro PA is currently $283.90 per megawatt hour. Other prices are $310 in Vineland NJ, $376 in Chalk Point MD, and $309 on an undersea connection from New Jersey to Long Island. $478 in Quakertown PA.

Average Chicago price is about $144. Ohio about $195. $326 in the Richmond VA area. $310 in the Lexington KY area. Ironically, where electricity is produced and transmission facilities are restricted, prices are significantly lower such as $30 in Mount Storm MD near the West Virginia border.

Do so many consumers in this day and age still use electricity for heat?
Undertoad • Jan 3, 2014 10:53 pm
All heat pump users use electricity "emergency heat" when the outdoor air is too cold to exchange heat, or the outdoor unit is under a foot of snow and won't operate normally.
glatt • Jan 3, 2014 11:05 pm
Unless they are ignorant, like we were in our first apartment.
tw • Jan 3, 2014 11:27 pm
Undertoad;888197 wrote:
All heat pump users use electricity "emergency heat" when the outdoor air is too cold to exchange heat, ...
My early experiences with heat pumps went to to 'emergency heat' when outside air was below 40 degrees (5 degrees C). At what temperature do today's heat pumps switch over?
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 4, 2014 8:58 am
Undertoad;888135 wrote:
Actual: 6", but some places reported 9", so broadly everyone was right and wrong. As usual!
They casually mentioned on TV the 9" reading for Philadelphia Airport was actually taken across the river in Gloucester City, NJ.
WTF?
At the same time all the local NJ measurements they were giving, were less than 9".
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 4, 2014 2:36 pm
Aliantha;888183 wrote:
9.30am and 100f already.

We are taking the kids to the science centre.

But don't leave your car windows open.
Gravdigr • Jan 4, 2014 3:39 pm
That is just so fucked up. I'd pay the fine. I guess I'd have to, here, you don't pay a fine, they take your license. But, there'd be cop cars showing up with missing windows for months, if not years.

You have any idea how far away you can be and still break windows with the right pellet rifle?
Gravdigr • Jan 4, 2014 3:40 pm
I guess they execute your children if you leave your convertible top down...
Aliantha • Jan 4, 2014 6:01 pm
Its just bullshit. Many many people leave their windows down a bit. I do all the time. The copper obviously had nothing better to do that day. I would guess his sarge had a talk with him, but it was legal for him to write the ticket, so they cant censure him.
BigV • Jan 5, 2014 1:46 pm
Or, you know, get a better law.
Sundae • Jan 6, 2014 11:05 am
He was parked on the pavement. I don't care about the window being open (he can take all the risks he likes with his own property as far as I'm concerned) but he deserves £22-ish fine for parking where people are trying to walk. So there.
infinite monkey • Jan 6, 2014 11:54 am
What's more: what is the deal with the whole "FATHER" thing? So, a FATHER left his car window down. The FATHER of a child got a ticket. The cop gave this FATHER a ticket. What does being a FATHER have to do with anything?

A FATHER who left the window down on his parked and unattended car on a scorching summer's day has been slugged with a fine that has left him hot under the collar.


It was a decision that left the father of one with a $44 fine and a rap across the knuckles from police.


Julian Harris with his three-year-old son Javier.


"We understand the police have a hard job to do but I am sure they have better things to be doing than booking a father for having his window open a crack to keep the heat down in his car."


Anyway, it's minus 5 degrees here, not including wind chill, and it's about 50 in my house. :(
glatt • Jan 6, 2014 12:01 pm
Cold weather sucks. We're next. We're getting it tonight.

I wish our walls had some insulation in them.
infinite monkey • Jan 6, 2014 12:02 pm
A really hot bath sounds good but then I'd have to get out.

THIS SUCKS!
infinite monkey • Jan 6, 2014 3:27 pm
Well, took the hot bath. It helped. Water in bathroom is fine. However, I just tried the kitchen sink (which worked fine about half an hour ago) and there is no water coming out. Burst pipe somewhere I guess.

I wonder if I will ever get anything close to a break. Maybe one month where everything on earth doesn't suck. I've been holding it together all this time, but it never ends. :mecry:

I'm so freaking tired of everything.
glatt • Jan 6, 2014 4:01 pm
Open your kitchen cabinets if they aren't already open. Let some "warm" air into them so the pipes thaw a little.
infinite monkey • Jan 6, 2014 4:04 pm
Yeah, they're open. I put a little heater near it. I wonder if the loud POP I heard was a pipe, though. I've been hearing cracking poppy noises all day: just figured it was the elements trying to break everything into pieces outside. But then I realized: Oh yeah, it's me. Why the hell would I be immune to any crap that wants to cruise on into my world? [/self-pity]
glatt • Jan 6, 2014 4:16 pm
This cold weather really sucks. (And it hasn't even hit here yet.) I hope you don't have a burst pipe somewhere.
Griff • Jan 6, 2014 7:08 pm
Schools are closed for tomorrow due to [COLOR="RoyalBlue"]COLD[/COLOR]. I have a meeting that is still on I believe.
glatt • Jan 6, 2014 8:45 pm
So windy. The lights flickered a couple times. I'd prefer it if the power doesn't go out. It's kind of important for heat.
Griff • Jan 6, 2014 8:59 pm
Yeah, with the wind this cold could be a killer. The Binghamton District only transports kids who are more than 2 miles from their school so this closing was a no-brainer.


Event: Wind Chill Warning
Alert:

...WIND CHILL WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO
7 PM EST TUESDAY...

* LOCATIONS...ALL OF NORTHEAST PENNSYLVANIA AND CENTRAL NEW YORK.

* HAZARDS...DANGEROUSLY COLD WIND CHILL VALUES AND STRONG GUSTY
WINDS.

* WIND CHILL READINGS...BETWEEN 25 AND 35 BELOW ZERO.

* WINDS...WEST 20 TO 30 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 45 MPH POSSIBLE.

* TIMING...LATE TONIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY. THE COLDEST WIND CHILL
VALUES WILL OCCUR TUESDAY MORNING. THE STRONGEST WINDS WILL
BEGIN THIS EVENING AND CONTINUE THROUGH TUESDAY BEFORE
SUBSIDING TUESDAY EVENING.

* TEMPERATURES...BETWEEN 0 AND 10 BELOW ZERO TUESDAY MORNING...
RISING INTO THE SINGLE DIGITS FOR HIGHS TUESDAY AFTERNOON.

* IMPACTS...DANGEROUSLY COLD WIND CHILLS WILL POSE A RISK FOR
FROST BITE AND HYPOTHERMIA FOR ANYONE OUTSIDE, EVEN FOR A SHORT
PERIOD OF TIME. THIS IS LIFE-THREATENING COLD FOR THOSE NOT IN
SHELTER. IN ADDITION, STRONG WINDS COULD DOWN TREE LIMBS, CAUSING
ISOLATED POWER OUTAGES AND ALSO MAKE TRAVEL DIFFICULT FOR HIGH
PROFILE VEHICLES.

Instructions: A WIND CHILL WARNING IS ISSUED WHEN WINDS COMBINE WITH BITTERLY COLD TEMPERATURES TO CREATE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS CONDITIONS FOR EXPOSED SKIN. THE WIND CHILL WILL BE COLD ENOUGH TO CAUSE FROSTBITE IN ABOUT 15 MINUTES OR LESS...AND COULD LEAD TO HYPOTHERMIA IF PROPER PRECAUTIONS ARE NOT TAKEN. IF YOU MUST GO OUTSIDE...REMEMBER THAT SEVERAL LAYERS OF CLOTHING WILL KEEP YOU WARMER THAN A SINGLE HEAVY COAT. A HAT IS ALSO IMPORTANT AS MORE BODY HEAT IS LOST THROUGH THE HEAD THAN ANY OTHER PART OF THE BODY. IT IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT TO COVER ALL EXPOSED FLESH TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM FROSTBITE.
glatt • Jan 6, 2014 9:19 pm
Our schools are getting a 2 hour delay tomorrow. Not sure what that's supposed to do. So instead of walking to school in 5 degree weather, the kids can wait a bit and go in 10 or 15 degree weather. Wind chill will be something like 0 then. At least it will be sunny.
Aliantha • Jan 6, 2014 11:31 pm
We had a storm go through last night. We only got a bit of rain, so no damage. We did lose power for about 4 hours or so though. That was annoying, specially since it was during the dinner/bathtime period. :/
DanaC • Jan 7, 2014 5:18 am
I heard how eyeballs can freeze it's so cold.

Terrible time to be homeless.
Griff • Jan 7, 2014 7:23 am
The local shelters tend to run at about 80% capacity. They are over-full now so they've opened overflow facilities. There is room, unfortunately getting the word out is difficult.
infinite monkey • Jan 7, 2014 8:26 am
glatt, was your kids' schhol cancelled yet? all schools, including colleges, cancelled areound here. if the cold front stays how it was here, 10-15 degrees is optimistic.

still minus 7 here, sans wind chill from high gusts. i can't wait for the big warmup...24 degrees tomorrow. up to 40 by friday. maybe pipes will thaw? maybe not burst? no water coming out of bathroom when i turn the hot water thingy. cold water comes out when i turn the cold water thingy.
glatt • Jan 7, 2014 8:46 am
School's only delayed. Mrs. Glatt will drive them and pick them up. She subs at one of the schools, so it works with her schedule. Normally, one would have a 1 mile walk and the other would have a 1.95 mile walk.

I walked 1 mile to the subway this morning. I bundled up, so was fine. 6 degrees when I left the house. But the long johns and hat and scarf and hood of my puffy ass down coat helped a lot.

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Significant delays on the Metro. Our stop is the first one underground. The trains have about 10 miles above ground before they get to our stop. And when I got to the station, what would have been my train was disabled and off-loaded. Maybe you can see the thousand or so people standing on the platform next to the train. I stayed on the upper balcony with a bunch of other people until things got sorted out down there. The platform to the right was empty because there was a medical emergency on that side of the track at the next station. (An above ground station.) And traffic had been stopped.

Waited around for a half hour while it got more and more crowded. Then they made an announcement that they would be single tracking trains (sharing the same track, and taking turns) to go around the disabled train. Huge stroke of luck for me, because I was one of the first people down onto that empty platform, and I got onto the first train to come into the station. It was packed like sardines, but I made it in to work.

Anyway, it's not normally like this on Metro. And I blame the severe cold. At least I was inside for all my waiting.
glatt • Jan 7, 2014 8:58 am
infinite monkey;888467 wrote:
maybe pipes will thaw? maybe not burst? no water coming out of bathroom when i turn the hot water thingy. cold water comes out when i turn the cold water thingy.


Keep the cold water one open a teensy bit, and also open the hot water a teensy bit.

Don't open them all the way and leave. I had a friend do that. They were not producing any water, so he opened them all the way and went to work. He figured it was fine because nothing was coming out. Came home hours later to an overflowing sink and a waterfall coming down his hall steps. Oops. The drain couldn't carry the water away fast enough.

Last night, I took the sensor from one of our indoor/outdoor radio thermometers and put it on top of one of the pipes in the basement right next to the uninsulated concrete block exterior wall. And put the reader on my bedside table. I peeked at it during the night a couple times. It hovered around 45, but I was letting the basement sink quickly drip anyway, just to be safe. We had set the heat a few degrees higher than usual, and it ran frequently. I think that kept the basement "warm," even though there are no radiators down there.
infinite monkey • Jan 7, 2014 9:55 am
The temp is rising! It's minus 6!

Now that I've had some coffee and some help with the anxiety, I'm feeling a bit more optimistic. Also, I did some creative heater placement, and it's already warmer in here. I should teach a class: The Modern Pioneer: Getting By With Inconvenient Crap. It would be designed to appeal to people like me: afraid of being a consumer, tired of being ripped off, living alone or with others who also have these irrational fears of 'calling' someone to come to my home...so we deal with crap because it seems easier.

Mostly, I want to move. I'm just not happy here anymore. Like, hardly ever.
Gravdigr • Jan 7, 2014 3:10 pm
Auntiedigr called from Indianapolis, she casually mentioned the -36 windchill...
BigV • Jan 7, 2014 9:05 pm
that is too fucking cold. good luck to all of you. im, I hope your pipes are ok.
DanaC • Jan 8, 2014 4:15 am
Sheesh. That's crazy cold.
fargon • Jan 8, 2014 7:42 am
-8F no wind, they say 33F Friday. I can't wait.
infinite monkey • Jan 8, 2014 8:48 am
It's 11 degrees above zero! My house is at a normal temperature. The hot water came back to the bathroom. I'm hoping with the increasing warmup that other pipes thaw too, that nothing is busted, but we'll see.

SUCH a relief. After creative heatering yesterday, and with the wind down, I was much more comfortable yesterday but Monday was brutal. Really brutal. I forget to respect the dangers (and pains) of cold.
glatt • Jan 8, 2014 9:00 am
That's good news. I hope as it continues to warm a little today, everything in the infinite monkey abode returns to normal.
infinite monkey • Jan 8, 2014 9:02 am
Thanks. I feel so much better today. My friend is going to start replacing my bathroom floor today, though. Since it's winter his construction work is scarce and he's going buggy sitting at home, and also only having his wife's income...so I may be scooting out a day or two anyway. Not convenient but maybe this all has been the catalyst for me to finally get this crap done.

Now if I could only channel a neat-freak-home-decorator persona...maybe I could stand it here a while longer.
glatt • Jan 8, 2014 9:09 am
If you could move, where would you move to?
infinite monkey • Jan 8, 2014 9:22 am
Oh, just the town south of here, probably. Where I was born and grew up. It's about the same size as this town only it's SO much nicer. I would love a condo, or an apartment downtown, in an old building. IT would be so cool to walk to the nice stores and restaurants.But this is all wishful thinking for now.
glatt • Jan 8, 2014 9:36 am
Well, it can be good to have a goal to work to. Tell yourself that someday you will live there, and then make it happen.

It's amazing how important location can be. My MIL has a nicer house than us on a bigger piece of property, but she's in the middle of a tobacco field way on the outskirts of her little town with cars that zoom by in front of her house at 60 mph on that lonely country road. She can't walk anywhere.
BigV • Jan 8, 2014 10:38 am
infinite monkey;888632 wrote:
snip--

SUCH a relief. After creative heatering yesterday, and with the wind down, I was much more comfortable yesterday but Monday was brutal. Really brutal. I forget to respect the dangers (and pains) of cold.

Glad you're OK!

Hypothermia is dangerous, can be life threatening in some conditions. One of the first effects of Hypothermia is to affect one's judgment. Respect, and training, and proper action and all keep you safe.
infinite monkey • Jan 8, 2014 11:26 am
Thanks! This 17 degrees feels like a tropical heatwave!
tw • Jan 8, 2014 10:26 pm
It was -70 degree C on Mars. Anyone who so wants to be a first man on Mars should be quite happy (or complaining) that it is so warm here on earth.
glatt • Jan 9, 2014 8:28 am
This cold snap is really improving now. It was 28 when I walked to the Metro this morning. Positively balmy.

And I just read a nice little article that puts a positive spin on this frigid week we've had.


It may be hard to think of this week's deep freeze as anything but miserable, but to scientists like Lenters there are silver linings: The extreme cold may help raise low water in the Great Lakes, protect shorelines and wetlands from erosion, kill insect pests and slow the migration of invasive species.

"All around, it's a positive thing," Lenters, a specialist in the climate of lakes and watersheds, said Wednesday.

....

"A good cold snap lowers the acidity in oranges and increases sugar content, sweetens the fruit," said Frankie Hall, policy director for the Florida Farm Bureau Federation. "It's almost been a blessing."

...

The emerald ash borer, an insect native to Asia, arrived in the U.S. around 2002 and has killed about 50 million ash trees in the Upper Midwest. But some locales this winter may have gotten cold enough to kill at least some larvae, said Robert Venette, a U.S. Forest Service research biologist in St. Paul, Minn.

A reading of minus 20 will usually produce a 50 percent mortality rate, and "the numbers go up quickly as it gets colder than that," Venette said.

While the freeze won't wipe out the ash borer, it will give communities a chance to develop plans for limiting the bug's spread, he said.

Other pests that originated in warmer places could be affected as well, including the gypsy moth, the hemlock woolly adelgid and the European beetle that carries Dutch elm disease, said Lee Frelich, director of the University of Minnesota Center for Forest Ecology. Native insects have evolved to cope with deep freezes.


I just hope it kills off the ticks.
Griff • Jan 9, 2014 9:50 pm
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BigV • Jan 10, 2014 1:53 pm
scary

a wider, higher view

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and

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busterb • Jan 27, 2014 8:04 pm
Yeah, I know there's places a lot colder. I live in a house that's about 60 years old, and before tw's codes were put in place.
Sundae • Jan 27, 2014 9:04 pm
Rain here again.
We're immune to floods, living on this little hill, although the water does run down our garden path and give us a little moat to hop over when the weather has been unusually persistent.
I've never known such a prolonged period of wet country-wide.

Uncle Ted's funeral tomorrow. Well, later today really.
The only two black bottoms I have are a long pair of trousers or a very very long skirt.
I got rid of a lot of black clothes which were simply too big.
Both choices are going to act like a wick to soak up all the rain I can hear against my window :eyebrow:

I guess I shouldn't even be contemplating my rockstar trousers...
No.
Stck-heeled boots and rolling over the waistband of the skirt I think.

Still, what a dreary Winter.
I'm looking forward to Spring now, which is not like me. Because I prefer the cold to the wet and the mud. Just that this year it's hard to see how it could get wetter or muddier and at least I'd start leaving the house in the light again.
Aliantha • Jan 27, 2014 9:25 pm
We could use a bit of that rain here, although a fairly intense low looks like it might bring some in the next week or so.
monster • Jan 27, 2014 10:22 pm
Will mail you some snow. On track for snowiest month since records began. record currently held by December 2000 -the month before we moved here. University of Michigan is closed tomorrow due to cold. that NEVER happens. Schools would be closed but they already have an off day.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 28, 2014 12:45 am
busterb;891271 wrote:
Yeah, I know there's places a lot colder. I live in a house that's about 60 years old, and before tw's codes were put in place.
In MS? Holy shit! That qualifies as real winter weather, Buster.
Griff • Jan 28, 2014 6:53 am
busterb;891271 wrote:
Yeah, I know there's places a lot colder. I live in a house that's about 60 years old, and before tw's codes were put in place.


What kind of heat you got, buster?
busterb • Jan 28, 2014 4:17 pm
Gas. Once used wood also. But not able to round up the firewood anymore. Sold my chain saw. Want to buy a used wood heater? :bolt:
Griff • Jan 28, 2014 5:36 pm
Stay warm dude.
orthodoc • Jan 28, 2014 7:33 pm
Griff;891359 wrote:
Stay warm dude.


Seconded. Single digits above (daytime) and below (night, obviously), here. It's colder farther north in western PA, and the houses don't have insulation. Stay warm, folks ... without bringing the barbeque inside.
busterb • Jan 28, 2014 10:24 pm
Highway patrol map Uncheck some of the shit on left and you can see roads closed and redneck bumper car derby. :jig:
Gravdigr • Jan 29, 2014 12:11 am
6°, w/windchill of -4° rfn

Brrr.
Undertoad • Feb 4, 2014 1:41 pm
They are predicting up to 1/4" of ice tomorrow, so I figured I would go online and see who to call when my Internet goes out. But apparently Verizon is concerned with something far more severe:

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glatt • Feb 4, 2014 2:02 pm
When the moon is in the Seventh House,
And Jupiter aligns with Mars,
Saturn will impact FIOS,
And Toad will have no bars


You know, bars, like a signal.
infinite monkey • Feb 4, 2014 2:30 pm
It's the dawning of the Age of Precarious....
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 4, 2014 3:02 pm
March 5, 2013 - As Winter Storm Saturn Threatens East, Verizon Finalizes Storm Preparations, Offers Preparedness Tips For Consumers and Businesses
Undertoad • Feb 4, 2014 3:06 pm
What's more current than...

good catch!
Clodfobble • Feb 4, 2014 5:30 pm
That's funny... I went searching earlier in case it was something like that, except I searched for "tropical storm Saturn." Because I apparently don't know what season it is.
Griff • Feb 4, 2014 9:47 pm
We're getting the Ali jab tonight and the Foreman hammer over the weekend.
Griff • Feb 5, 2014 8:02 am
State of Emergency, I don't even have to take a vacation day!
glatt • Feb 5, 2014 8:19 am
Looks like we dodged a bullet down here today. They were predicting ice, which is really the worst. But it's mostly just cold rain with an occasional slick spot. The trees have maybe a quarter of an inch of ice on them, which is no biggie. And it's supposed to warm up a few degrees, so even that will melt.

The weekend is sounding interesting though.
Griff • Feb 5, 2014 8:27 am
Ice isno fun.
Undertoad • Feb 5, 2014 9:33 am
Severe icing as predicted.

So far none of the falling trees or branches have hit the house or car. So that's good.

I was able to get out and salt the driveway, and in the meantime I cut all the branches I could reach on the 2" limb leaning on the cable coming to the house. One cable is above the branch, one below it. I don't know if it's power or Internet but either way that would be bad. My chainsaw is electric...

Weird sounds coming from all over as stuff melts and falls. There are two guys on the roof of the three-story apartment building next door. A bad thing probably happened.
Gravdigr • Feb 5, 2014 12:22 pm
I read "500,000 without power in Philly"...then I thought "I wonder if the Cellar is still up?"

And here you are.
Undertoad • Feb 5, 2014 12:29 pm
Here I am, but the Cellar servers are 30 miles south, in a data center with a big-ass diesel generator for backup power.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 5, 2014 1:03 pm
Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays Undertoad from getting it up. Image
Sundae • Feb 5, 2014 1:18 pm
Been raining very hard here, with high winds for this area.
I arrived at work looking like I was in a wet waitrose uniform contest. Had to go into the disabled toilet and take my shirt off, try to dry it under the hand-drier.
I made sure I switched the chicken rotisserie on well before I went to date-check the items in the chiller.
FSM knows what I'll do if it's like this tomorrow; it's a Bakery shift, so I start half an hour earlier (which means I'm less likely to get in early) and my first stop is the freezer. No choice, no question, straight into -20.

Actually I'll just assume its going to be as bad and wear other clothes to work. And take a towel. The weather report conspired against me this morning, as did a temporary lull while I was getting ready.

One think that did make me chuckle was as I was walking past the mosque on the way home, the wind blew over a recycling bin, out for collection. The chap whose house it was came out in a panic, looked relieved for a second that it was nothing more than the bin, then horrified as paper, cardboard and fast food containers took to the skies, and soft drinks cans skittered away, mosque-bound. As I carried on walking, the last I saw of him was his mad grabbing dance. I did wait a decent distance before sniggering.
glatt • Feb 10, 2014 11:54 am
Last week's ice storm in Slovenia. No matter how bad it is where you are, just remember it can always be worse.

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xoxoxoBruce • Feb 11, 2014 2:47 am
That guy must be driving someone else's vehicle, like government or company owned... or he's just stupid.
Sundae • Feb 11, 2014 3:34 am
I got myself a second-hand Regatta jacket from eBay.
That's a proper outdoorsy walker kind of jacket and is properly waterproof.
I've only had it a couple of days but it's shaping up to be the best purchase of 2014. Big pats on my well protected back.

Floods are still big news here. They're spreading for a start.
We're so lucky not to be affected, in this town and in this house.
Large areas of the Thames Valley are underwater, as is most of the South-West it seems. And the rain is still falling from a relentlessly grey sky. Being warm and dry seems like a distant memory.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26131515
glatt • Feb 11, 2014 8:44 am
xoxoxoBruce;892407 wrote:
That guy must be driving someone else's vehicle, like government or company owned... or he's just stupid.


I saw that video on the Capital Weather Gang website. And there were pictures there too, of people cleaning ice off their cars using [SIZE="3"]&#644;[/SIZE]ucking metal hammers. And one shot showed a smashed rear window. Imagine that. Idiots.

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Spexxvet • Feb 11, 2014 9:18 am
Undertoad;892003 wrote:
Here I am, but the Cellar servers are 30 miles south, in a data center with a big-ass diesel generator for backup power.


What a coincidence. I also have a big-ass!
Griff • Feb 13, 2014 2:41 pm
They sent us home early. I would like to thank Suzuki for a kick-ass little car.
Gravdigr • Feb 13, 2014 2:49 pm
glatt;892322 wrote:
Last week's ice storm in Slovenia. No matter how bad it is where you are, just remember it can always be worse.

[YOUTUBE]WI41yWgqglg[/YOUTUBE]


I kept hearing a frog.
Sundae • Feb 14, 2014 11:14 pm
I've never heard the wind blow this hard against and around the house.
There are serious gusts.
I know I always say it, but I do live in a very protected area, geographically, so this is shocking.

I'm glad the 'rents are moving, despite the stress to me. They don't have to worry abut maintenance any more. And they're not just moving onto another hill, they're also on the first floor (second floor in US terms). They're also right above the offices of the charity they're renting from, so they'll never be stranded without power, because someone will know and come to check on them.

In the mean time, I expect to see trees uprooted when the sun comes up, because the wind is so strong and the ground so sodden. And damage to property; shed roofs and chimneys and fence panels and the like. No fatalities I hope - someone has been killed in London tonight by falling masonry.
DanaC • Feb 15, 2014 8:02 am
Yeah. Was bad here too, but not as bad as last Thursday. That was mental. I was scared to go out with Carrot, because when i did I felt like i was going to be blown over. Then I told myself off for being dramatic. Later, I thought the windos were going to blow in, and again berated myself for being dramatic.

Then on Friday I saw the damage to manchester on the news. People being blown of their feet, uprooted trees, a train station evacuated because the roof was torn off, and a street evacuated because the fronts of three houses were ripped off.

Similar story in parts of Yorkshire.

Round here it looked dramatic, with wheelie bins and garden furniture, roof slates and and the like scattered about, but aside from a couple of uprooted trees and a collapsed wall blocking a road, there wasn't anything major.



100 miles an hour wind. 110 in some parts of coastal Wales.
Carruthers • Feb 15, 2014 1:00 pm
Last Wednesday, in Shropshire...

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It isn't clear what type of building it was that now has a sky view, but the escaping roof didn't look very substantial, did it?
Griff • Feb 15, 2014 5:17 pm
Pretty shoddy...
Griff • Feb 17, 2014 9:03 pm
Dynamite downhill ski conditions today. Went to Greek Peak and made 19 runs for about 10800 ft of elevation skied. Pete's top speed (app on her phone) was 42.5mph not bad fer an old broad. Which reminds me, I'm gassed, good night all. Sposed to be an evil rain coming this week. :(
Griff • Mar 12, 2014 5:35 pm
rain just became snow... mid 50s yesterday to single digits tomorrow morning
glatt • Mar 13, 2014 8:23 am
And I had just put my Puffy Ass Coat away on Monday. Had to go dig it out of the wardrobe in the basement.
Gravdigr • Mar 13, 2014 4:31 pm
75 here two days ago. High in the low forties yesterday, maybe 50 today...Might oughta keep that bubblegoose handy, Glatt.

Winter, she might not have the same calendar as the rest of us.
Gravdigr • Apr 6, 2014 4:36 pm
65° and byooteefull, today!
orthodoc • Apr 6, 2014 7:36 pm
The red-winged blackbirds are back, and the Toms and hens are strutting. Spring has arrived.
Sundae • Apr 7, 2014 12:12 pm
Tipping it down today. Back to walking to work in the dark since the clocks have gone forward.
Rumours of sunshine to come later in the week, so I'm hoping my mornings will soon be full of light and life.

Starts this week are:
Tuesday, 06.30 - dark
Wednesday, 06.30 - dark
Thursday, 06.00 - dark and miserable
Friday, 09.30 - light but in a cheaty way
Saturday, sleepy time!
Sunday, 09.00 - light but it's a customer-facing day again, so I have to hope its not monsoon weather

Getting to work in wet trousers and runny make-up doesn't bode well for a nine hour shift...
busterb • Apr 27, 2014 7:58 pm
The Ac's humming along and the damn meter. When younger I never wore more that long sleeve shirt where it was above 50, Now I look like I'm going to the arctic. Same with the heat. Joys of old age. MPS cain't make up their minds about letting MP&L charge us for the ton of cost overruns at their new plant. Just a few billions of bucks. Guess when money changes hands I'll find out.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 27, 2014 8:48 pm
Buster, the A/C is good for you, and if you weren't spending your money on that you'd be spending it on things that are bad for you... very bad for you. :haha:
busterb • Apr 28, 2014 5:49 pm
But look at the fun I'll miss.:meanface:
Clodfobble • Apr 28, 2014 6:07 pm
Welp, spring's over. 90 degrees outside today.
Gravdigr • Apr 29, 2014 6:20 pm
3 inches of rain here yesterday. Showers again, off and on, today.
busterb • May 3, 2014 9:09 pm
One more night like the last 2 and I'm going to cover the damn AC up again. 46 last night.
Nice sleeping weather. :jig:
glatt • May 15, 2014 12:48 pm
Flash flood watch here tonight, and probably for much of the Eastern US.

4 plus inches of rain expected tonight. Make sure those drains aren't blocked with leaves.
Gravdigr • May 15, 2014 2:24 pm
Chilly here today, 58°, and that's prolly all it's gonna do.
Gravdigr • Jun 16, 2014 1:53 pm
91° today, gonna feel like 98°, says Accuweather.

:greenface
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 16, 2014 1:57 pm
Gosh, it's nice in here. :haha:
fargon • Jun 16, 2014 3:14 pm
86F/ 14 MPH South.
Lola Bunny • Jun 19, 2014 5:29 pm
It's 93 right now. Feels like too damn hot....UGH!!!
Griff • Jun 20, 2014 6:49 am
Gonna be nice here today, tops out in the high 70s.
glatt • Jun 20, 2014 8:45 am
Beautiful morning. Slightly cool. Crisp. Light breeze.

It's a nice change from the last few sweltering days.
lumberjim • Jun 20, 2014 9:14 am
awesome out up here too. And I'm off at 1pm. Woot.
BigV • Jul 1, 2014 12:33 pm
It's supposed to be 88 F today!!! That's sweltering by local standards. Fortunately, it's supposed to cool down to a mere 80 F tomorrow. I think we'll be heading to the water, maybe a nice ferry ride.
glatt • Jul 1, 2014 12:37 pm
It's 88 "feels like 97." I'm debating whether I should step out for a walk.
Gravdigr • Jul 1, 2014 4:45 pm
I wouldn't recommend it.

91°, rfn, feels like 101°, 50% chance of thunderstorms.

In KY, you can recycle this forecast til the middle of October.

:yeldead:
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 10, 2014 10:03 am
Technically, you can recycle any forecast, anywhere, because they're a bunch of lying bastards. :haha:
Gravdigr • Aug 1, 2014 1:49 pm
Best July in KY EVAH! Temps have been fabulous. No 90° days for over three weeks now.

No rain to speak of, either, though.
Gravdigr • Aug 17, 2014 3:34 pm
73° and coming a damn flood.

If it had rained like this on Noah, he wouldn't have stood a chance.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 17, 2014 4:50 pm
Wring those clouds real good before you send them on, will ya?
Griff • Aug 22, 2014 1:57 pm
Ran into a little weather coming home from fencing last night. Flash flood in Choconut Valley. My cousins farm pretty near bought the... farm. The dairy cows were in the barn with wet feet when the water began to subside. A local trailer park had to be evacuated and people were pulled out of a number of cars. Amazingly, nobody was hurt. Good work by several volunteer fire departments. I went to help at the farm this morning for>1 hour, because they had things well in hand, then I came home to work my washed out driveway.
glatt • Aug 22, 2014 2:13 pm
Looking good.

We get a washed out driveway since they regraded the street and made our gravel driveway steeper to intersect with it. But I just kick the gravel back up the apron onto the drive. Different order of magnitude of damage here.
Griff • Aug 22, 2014 2:47 pm
Yeah and my damage was pretty minimal compared to others'. Gotta keep perspective.
glatt • Sep 2, 2014 11:54 am
Summer's finally here.

Walking man is staying inside today. Feels like 97. Ugh.
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xoxoxoBruce • Sep 5, 2014 9:11 am
Griff;907858 wrote:
Yeah and my damage was pretty minimal compared to others'. Gotta keep perspective.
Having the tools to fix it without pressing the family into a chain gang, is a big help. ;)
Griff • Sep 5, 2014 4:49 pm
I'm fortunate there as well.

Very hot day at work, the district isn't too big on ac.
Gravdigr • Sep 6, 2014 5:22 pm
This week is supposed to be cooler than normal, albeit somewhat soggy.

The temp a few hours ago was 88, I just looked and it's now 81.

The cool has arrived.
glatt • Oct 15, 2014 12:44 pm
Ooh, everyone is running to look out the windows. I'm an idiot, so I watched the storm roll in too. Very heavy rain.
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xoxoxoBruce • Oct 15, 2014 12:47 pm
Just think, Congress could be wiped out!

Oh happy day!!
tw • Oct 16, 2014 9:17 am
xoxoxoBruce;911945 wrote:
Just think, Congress could be wiped out!


And then extremists would get what they want. Extremists even burned down the Reichstag so as to gain power. Because extremists hate or must subvert Congress, Parliament, Diet, Reichstag, or Knesset.

Problem is not Congress. Problem is many moderates who do not vote. And do not even bother to learn / listen to the news. By doing so, therefore all but vote extremists into Congress. Also contributing is gerrymandering. Gerrymandering means more power to wacko extremist liberals and conservatives to the detriment of moderates.

So people blame an institution called Congress rather than ill informed voters who subvert Congress. So let's burn down Congress. It worked so well in 1930s Germany.
Griff • Oct 17, 2014 5:27 pm
50% chance of snow for Sunday.
Gravdigr • Oct 18, 2014 3:20 pm
76° yesterday, 58° today
glatt • Nov 19, 2014 11:52 am
That lake effect snow is amazing. Slideshow here.

Some neighborhoods near Buffalo got 4 inches,
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while others got 5 feet!
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You can see how it just hits some places. Not sure why some of the water is warm enough to generate the snow clouds while some isn't.

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xoxoxoBruce • Nov 19, 2014 2:25 pm
The distribution of snowfall in the Great Lakes region resulting from lake-effect snowfall is dependent upon several factors: the position of the storm tracks, the degree and variations in lake water temperatures, the extent of ice coverage, prevailing wind directions and the frequency of strong wind speeds. Topographic contrasts to the lee of each of the Great Lakes also affect the intensity and spatial distribution of lake effect snowfall. Lake effect snowfall contributes between 30% and 50% of the annual winter snowfall on the eastern and southern shores of the Great Lakes.

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I knew the wind picked up water vapor crossing the lake, if it's not frozen, but hadn't thought of the difference in vapor pressure speeding up the evaporation rate.
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Gravdigr • Nov 19, 2014 3:53 pm
Auntiedigr in Buffalo, well, NE of Buffalo, says they got nothing, like an inch or two.

Twenty minutes south? Five feet. In 24 hrs.
glatt • Nov 20, 2014 10:51 am
[YOUTUBEWIDE]KA9XNRHxKbg[/YOUTUBEWIDE]
limey • Dec 9, 2014 8:51 am
The joys of island life. Coal scuttles and log basket filled. Fire laid, stove set to go. Enough groceries in to last til the weekend (ferries cancelled for the rest of today). Plenty of candles, battery-powered Christmas lights, fully-charged music-playback system ...
I may be out of touch for a while ...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 9, 2014 8:56 am
Sounds like you're prepared, guess you've done this drill before. :D
glatt • Dec 9, 2014 9:02 am
Don't forget to batten down any hatches you may have.
limey • Dec 9, 2014 10:00 am
They've cancelled tomorrow's trains as well ...
This is what the railway line looked like in January in a similar storm:
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 9, 2014 10:02 am
It's nice to get the tracks washed every once in a while. :haha:
Gravdigr • Dec 9, 2014 1:09 pm
Miles per hour? Guess they haven't converted the anemometer yet.

And, no, an anemometer does not measure how much of an emo you are. Or aren't.
limey • Dec 9, 2014 1:47 pm
We do miles for big measurements and metres and centimetres for small ones. :/
Gravdigr • Dec 9, 2014 1:49 pm
Just threw the km right out the window, huh?

Poor little km.

:p:
Griff • Dec 10, 2014 9:54 am
Good luck Limey!

Snow day here, crappy roads but not much accumulation.
limey • Dec 10, 2014 9:56 am
Wind, rain, sleet, hail, wind, big waves, high tide, wind. No power outage yet (that'll be when I decide to do some baking later, no doubt).
This is a little unusual, though "The MV Caledonian Isles has had to leave Ardrossan as it was unsafe to remain there and is now berthed in Brodick."
limey • Dec 10, 2014 10:28 am
That's the power gone ...


Sent by thought transference
Griff • Dec 10, 2014 10:46 am
Sounds exciting, stay dry!
limey • Dec 10, 2014 11:27 am
Got the power back for now. Oh, I'm not in a hurry to go anywhere tonight :) and the house is 130m above sea-level, so we should avoid the high tide OK!


Sent by thought transference
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 10, 2014 2:09 pm
limey;916024 wrote:
This is a little unusual, though "The MV Caledonian Isles has had to leave Ardrossan as it was unsafe to remain there and is now berthed in Brodick."
With the high wind from the northwest it's probably pushing the waves from North Bay right into the marina at Ardrossan.
limey • Dec 10, 2014 2:20 pm
Well, yes. Usually the boat "shelters" at Brodick when the weather is lively, so we were a little puzzled to discover that she was away over there. Brodick is far easier to get in and out of, that wee wiggle coming into Ardrossan can prove very entertaining. She has to come into the harbour at quite a lick and then do a handbrake turn pretty sharpish.[YOUTUBE]watch?v=Mu8vDPn-yIY[/YOUTUBE]
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 10, 2014 4:38 pm
Christ, that would scare the barnacles right off the keel. :haha:

Maybe they were at Ardrossan when the weather blew up but the captain's girlfriend is at Brodick, I hear there's a lot of hot ladies on Arran.
BigV • Dec 11, 2014 2:46 pm
66 degrees and raining sideways yesterday, a new high temperature record. today, 30-40 mph high wind warning in effect with gusty winds to 65 mph predicted.
BigV • Dec 11, 2014 2:48 pm
xoxoxoBruce;916060 wrote:
Christ, that would scare the barnacles right off the keel. :haha:

Maybe they were at Ardrossan when the weather blew up but the captain's girlfriend is at Brodick, I hear there's a lot of hot ladies on Arran.


no shit!
Gravdigr • Dec 11, 2014 3:38 pm
BigV;916130 wrote:
today, 30-40 mph high wind warning in effect with gusty winds to 65 mph predicted.


Paraphrasing Jerry Reed in "Smokey & The Bandit" (1,2, & 3):

"Hold on to your ass, Ed."[/JR]
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 11, 2014 7:14 pm
Snow light, snow bright,
The first snow I saw last night
I wish I may, I wish I might,
Have the wish I wished all night.
Griff • Dec 11, 2014 8:46 pm
Griff;916022 wrote:
Good luck Limey!

Snow day here, crappy roads but not much accumulation.


Except that it kept coming. Storm total just shy of 10"

http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=BGM&product=PNS&format=txt&version=1&glossary=0&highlight=off
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 12, 2014 2:59 am
You're what, 13 or 14 hundred feet there? Chillier than down here.
When I got home about 3:30 this afternoon, it was 32 degrees and the half inch of snow was gone, except on the evergreen trees.
Griff • Dec 12, 2014 7:12 am
Around 17, I just looked at the USGS on line and they put the peak of our hill at 1800. Of course that preview also puts LeRaysville's label just over the hill and in the wrong county. :) It does tend to be a lot colder than Philly here. Right now its 23F here and 35F in Philly. That's the difference between skiing and slogging. The weather patterns seem to change around the Lehigh Tunnel when we're driving. Our weather tracks with Central New York but South of that snow belt that starts around Tully/Marathon.
busterb • Jan 3, 2015 9:00 pm
Enough of this crap already. 2 or 3" today, storm warnings most of day.
http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=DGX&product=N0R&overlay=11101111&loop=yes
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 3, 2015 9:54 pm
I agree buster, I bought a new boiler a month ago, but had to stash it in a friends garage because the lawn around to the cellar door is gumbo. :(
busterb • Jan 5, 2015 11:10 pm
Thursday am. 17º Hi of 35º Cold in Dixie. But, but it has stopped the damn rain.
glatt • Jan 6, 2015 8:58 am
About 1 inch of snow, but no schools closed and the government opened on time, and it's the first snowfall of the season, so everyone has forgotten what to do.

Utter chaos in the DC area. The traffic here is usually just below the saturation point, so a little snow is enough of a catalyst to cause the traffic fluid to crystallize.

Highways:
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Surface streets:
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I'm glad I walk and then take Metro underneath it all.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 6, 2015 12:47 pm
Hey, what's this white shit... I don't think it was here yesterday. :confused:
Griff • Jan 6, 2015 10:29 pm
Colder than a pimp's heart out there.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 7, 2015 12:04 am
I've got 13.4 here... guess I'll have to throw on my robe to put the trash out.
Griff • Jan 7, 2015 7:26 am
Balmy 7.0 F right now but with a "cold" front on the way. Wind chill advisory for tonight.
BigV • Jan 7, 2015 11:17 am
over 50 F yesterday, the same expected today. sweaty at work in the upper bay.
Gravdigr • Jan 7, 2015 4:52 pm
It was 19 when I got up at ten this morning.

It's 13 now.

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Wind 24 mph, gusting to 33 mph.

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Windchill -5.

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That is bitter for KY.
footfootfoot • Jan 7, 2015 5:31 pm
2 degrees F, -19F with the windshield factor.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 7, 2015 6:45 pm
The talking heads on TV are doing their chicken little imitation, running in circles screaming, the temperature is falling, the temperature is falling.
Sure am glad they told me to wear a coat if I go outside, I wouldn't have thought of that. :rolleyes:

National news says more than 200 million Americans will see lower than 20 degrees F tonight.
Clodfobble • Jan 7, 2015 9:10 pm
Grav, you live in a county called Barren? That's depressing.

Yesterday afternoon at my house: 71 degrees.
Expected tonight: 22 degrees.
infinite monkey • Jan 8, 2015 8:34 am
footfootfoot;918390 wrote:
2 degrees F, -19F with the windshield factor.


This. Only we don't have a windshield factor. We do have a windchill factor...local news says 20 to 30 below, factoring in the factor. ;)

Crazy cold. Takes your breath away cold. Painful cold. Cold that makes 20 some degrees feel like a tropical oasis.

I really hate cold.
glatt • Jan 8, 2015 8:47 am
I was all set to walk the mile to the metro in the 9 degree, -200 windshield factor, when my wife offered to drive me.

Hell, yeah!

So I went out and started the car to let it get a little warm inside, and it struggled getting started. But it did! All sorts of creaks and squeaks from the suspension going over the speed humps and such.

It's winter alright.
footfootfoot • Jan 8, 2015 9:00 am
-19 this morning. The thermostat was set to "stun" and the house never got above 66.
Undertoad • Jan 8, 2015 9:21 am
glatt;918431 wrote:
So I went out and started the car to let it get a little warm inside, and it struggled getting started. But it did! All sorts of creaks and squeaks from the suspension going over the speed humps and such.


And what I noticed is this: when I went out in that frosty and started the car, I was all worried about it, like, how's it going to react to all this cold? I was worried for the first five minutes.

But I realized something: the exact moment I stopped worrying for it was when there was enough heat to heat ME up. Oh it's nice and toasty in here, car's doing fine!

No, car's still out there in that 5 degree weather. It's YOU who's doing fine...
infinite monkey • Jan 8, 2015 9:45 am
Well, my pipes are frozen. I have no water and it's freezing in here. I feel like crying.
glatt • Jan 8, 2015 9:51 am
Those pipes froze last winter too, didn't they?

How many years have you been there? Is it just these two winters?
infinite monkey • Jan 8, 2015 9:57 am
Yeah, probably. It's my fault. I don't have my gas turned on because my gas company said I had to have work done on my furnace but that work can't be done by a furnace guy it has to be a plumber and like what the fuck the furnace was fine before and you had no problem with it you're just being dicks and I was like fuck it because gas only runs the furnace and the gas range and I have a wall oven that I use and I'm an idiot and I went through this last year and I'm an idiot. I've got heaters all over the place and pointed under sinks but it ain't enough. Oh, and I'm an idiot. Plus, I'm an idiot.

And also, I suck.

(Yeah, I know.)
glatt • Jan 8, 2015 10:07 am
Yeah, no. I wasn't saying you are an idiot. I was wondering what was going on with that apartment.

Shouldn't the landlord be fixing the furnace? Why is that your job? Or am I misremembering? Do you own the place?
infinite monkey • Jan 8, 2015 10:18 am
I wasn't saying you were saying I'm an idiot. I'M saying I'm an idiot. ;)

Yeah, I own the place. I rent the space it's on. You can infer from there. It's in a 55 and older get-up (I'm one of the 20 percent who is allowed to be younger than that) and it's nice for me. No jokes please. It's usually a nice set-up for a single woman. Enough space for me. Quiet. Safe. I'm just a terrible procrastinator who can't ask for help. :(
glatt • Jan 8, 2015 10:55 am
I know you like it there, by the river with good neighbors.

I guess you know what you need to do, and you'll do it when you do it. Meantime, don't beat yourself up, and try to stay warm.
infinite monkey • Jan 8, 2015 11:06 am
Yeah, I don't know what my major malfunction is with dealing with things. I was worried about the mess in the spare room (can't let a repair guy see that or the world will end) and I've fixed all that and still...ugh.

Thanks for being nice. I'm going to go to lunch and spend the day at the library and prepare for my job interview next week. (Yes, job interview. Must focus on positives must focus on positives.)
infinite monkey • Jan 8, 2015 11:31 am
Well, that's not gonna happen. My car, which always always always starts, won't start. It went 'oom ooom ooom ooom' so I tried again and it went 'ooom, clicky clicky click.'

So now that's probably broken too.

fml
glatt • Jan 8, 2015 11:36 am
Nah, the car battery is just cold. It will work again when things thaw out a little.
infinite monkey • Jan 8, 2015 11:49 am
Thanks. I walked down to the restaurant down the road (so bundled up I felt like Frances mcdormand in Fargo) and am having coffee and tomato soup. I have bottled water and plenty of coffee and hot chocolate at home for my keurig. Just hope this cold snap doesn't last very long.
footfootfoot • Jan 8, 2015 12:31 pm
If you get some heat tape at the hardware store wrap it around the pipes and plug it in. If there is any heat tape left at the hardware store.

If you can get a jump, your car will start. Older batteries lose their cold cranking amps and as such become old, cranky, amps instead. When you have some extra dough buy a battery with lots of CCA.
footfootfoot • Jan 8, 2015 12:32 pm
Oh, and don't you dare call my friend an idiot; she's a fuck of a lot smarter than you.
infinite monkey • Jan 8, 2015 1:01 pm
Thanks. :)

One good thing is that the toilet works (I'd almost forgotten to worry about it!) If that didn't work, and with no water to put in buckets to force flush, I'd have to call my brother and stay over there or something...hence having to fess up to what a noodge I am. They wouldn't mind one bit and I like being over there...but I don't want to get into the whole thing, and there's the whole asking for help thing, and they'd have to come get me....

I feel happy now though. All the stuff mentioned above, and the people who own the restaurant are so wonderful. They traveled during the holidays so I hadn't seen them in forever and they treat me like family. I brought another order of tomato soup home.

Now I'm under my electric blanket with a book. This too shall pass.

If I need to I can get a jump tomorrow. foot, do you mean around the pipes under the sinks? What about the tub? (I'm a superhero called Anti-Handy Woman!) It's supposed to start warming up on Sunday. I can ask my friend to use her shower, I'm sure. Other than that I think I'm covered.

Thanks for letting me temporarily hijack the thread! :)
Gravdigr • Jan 8, 2015 4:09 pm
GrandCherokeeOne cranked alright yesterday evening, but, it didn't like the idea of turning over the first couple times.

I use 20w50 oil, so it doesn't leak out as fast, and it took forever for the oil pressure to come up.
Gravdigr • Jan 8, 2015 4:10 pm
Infi, put the electric blanket on the pipes. And clean out that room, that'll warm you up.

:D
infinite monkey • Jan 8, 2015 6:59 pm
I already cleaned out that room, months ago. But procrastinated on everything else anyway. I'm impossible. ;)
Griff • Jan 9, 2015 7:58 am
infinite monkey;918468 wrote:


Now I'm under my electric blanket with a book. This too shall pass.



:)
infinite monkey • Jan 9, 2015 10:21 am
Thanks Griff. I'm trying really hard to not be such a reactive crazy person.

And guess what? My car just started, and I have water to the bathroom sink and tub again! Not the kitchen yet, but I'm not surprised about that.

Yay! Time for a hot bath and a trip into town! I mean, it's 11 degrees! Party time! ;)
glatt • Jan 9, 2015 10:23 am
Yay!
BigV • Jan 10, 2015 3:44 pm
infinite monkey;918439 wrote:
Well, my pipes are frozen. I have no water and it's freezing in here. I feel like crying.


footfootfoot;918462 wrote:
If you get some heat tape at the hardware store wrap it around the pipes and plug it in. If there is any heat tape left at the hardware store.

If you can get a jump, your car will start. Older batteries lose their cold cranking amps and as such become old, cranky, amps instead. When you have some extra dough buy a battery with lots of CCA.


infinite monkey;918564 wrote:
Thanks Griff. I'm trying really hard to not be such a reactive crazy person.

And guess what? My car just started, and I have water to the bathroom sink and tub again! Not the kitchen yet, but I'm not surprised about that.

Yay! Time for a hot bath and a trip into town! I mean, it's 11 degrees! Party time! ;)


footfootfoot's right, that will help keep the pipes unfrozen. So will letting a little water running through the tap/spigot/etc. It costs you some water, true, but it's another option for you. At first I thought you had frozen and burst pipes, that's a much bigger disaster. Anyhow, I'm glad it's working now. Turn on the water, just a little, and let them flow.
Gravdigr • Jan 10, 2015 4:41 pm
BigV;918668 wrote:
Turn on the water, just a little...


Yeah, just lift your shirt, and if that don't work, jump and down a little bit.
footfootfoot • Jan 10, 2015 6:55 pm
It sounds like either you have no insulation or the pipes are getting frozen in the basement or something. Another thing to do along with letting the water trickle is to keep the doors under the sink open so that area stays warmer.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 10, 2015 8:02 pm
footfootfoot;918432 wrote:
-19 this morning. The thermostat was set to "stun" and the house never got above 66.
Happened to see a couple pictures on Shorpy, of DC in winter.
infinite monkey • Jan 10, 2015 8:45 pm
I let the water trickle. There is no basement. Pipes aren't underground. I do keep the doors open under the sinks and have heaters nearby.

It's just how it is in my habitat. :)
footfootfoot • Jan 11, 2015 1:33 am
infinite monkey;918713 wrote:
I let the water trickle. There is no basement. Pipes aren't underground. I do keep the doors open under the sinks and have heaters nearby.

It's just how it is in my habitat. :)

I'm gonna go with no insulation in the walls.
tw • Jan 11, 2015 10:35 am
footfootfoot;918730 wrote:
I'm gonna go with no insulation in the walls.
If any pipes are in exterior walls, then plumbing was installed defectively. Missing insulation was not the problem. No water pipes should be in any wall that requires insulation.
footfootfoot • Jan 11, 2015 2:10 pm
I have no idea how her house was constructed but I've seen way too many cheaply constructed condos where the pipes may or may not be in exterior walls but in balloon framing the floor joist system is not enclosed with a rim joist and thus communicates directly with the wall cavity.

You are talking about ideal construction which usually only happens in the Black and Decker How-To books.
infinite monkey • Jan 11, 2015 3:05 pm
Oh guys. Love ya, but you're way off. There's a clue in a post here somewhere. ;)
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 11, 2015 3:08 pm
Trailer.
infinite monkey • Jan 11, 2015 5:36 pm
ding ding ding!

I thought that was common knowledge. Yeah, I know all the jokes, they don't bother me. And mine is nice, with an extended living room, my LR is huge...and it's all mine. Mine mine mine mine mine. :)

But of course it has downfalls. What place doesn't?

Wendy: Yea... ya wanna know what's great? Last night I woke up in the middle of the night to make myself a peanut butter and jelly sandwich... and ya know, it was my kitchen, it was my refrigerator, it was my apartment... and it was the BEST peanut butter and jelly sandwich that I have had in my entire life

--St Elmo's Fire
limey • Jan 14, 2015 2:17 pm
It is pretty windy here. Since the Great Snow of spring 2013 the electricity board has been more attuned to our possible needs and has despatched a fleet of burger vans to feed us if the power goes off. I am sitting here, fearless, with my trusty wind-up lantern at the ready!


Sent by thought transference
Carruthers • Jan 14, 2015 3:23 pm
limey;919119 wrote:
It is pretty windy here. Since the Great Snow of spring 2013 the electricity board has been more attuned to our possible needs and has despatched a fleet of burger vans to feed us if the power goes off. I am sitting here, fearless, with my trusty wind-up lantern at the ready!


Sent by thought transference


Four hundred miles south and the wind speed is increasing although unlikely to be as high as in Arran. The houses at this end of the road are fed by overhead power line so as soon as branches begin to fly, off goes the electricity. It'll probably go off in the middle of the night when I am wide awake and listening to the radio.
Just a couple of houses towards the centre of the town, the electricity supply is underground so their power rarely fails.
Anyway, what it all boils down to is that there's a conspicuous absence of burger vans.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 14, 2015 8:01 pm
The commercial airliners flying from here to Europe the other day, had a 200 mph tailwind, pushing them close to the speed of sound. They were cutting an hour off the flight, but made for some hairy landings. :eek:
Griff • Jan 14, 2015 8:05 pm
This afternoon i found out that temperature can have two digits, balmy.
Carruthers • Jan 14, 2015 8:59 pm
Carruthers;919132 wrote:
....as soon as branches begin to fly, off goes the electricity. It'll probably go off in the middle of the night when I am wide awake and listening to the radio.


Well, it's blowing a gale here, it's nearly 2am, I'm listening to the radio and the power hasn't yet failed.

Three out of four. I'm happy with that.
Griff • Jan 15, 2015 7:33 am
I wonder if Carruthers managed to stay in place last night?

Freezing fog is our event today... well it's pretty anyway.
Carruthers • Jan 15, 2015 7:51 am
Griff;919221 wrote:
I wonder if Carruthers managed to stay in place last night?



The gale subsided somewhat abruptly at about 3.30am and no damage was done.

My dad always worries about a large conifer at the bottom of the back garden.
About fifty years ago the children of previous owners planted their Christmas tree as did the kids next door.
Even with roots, they rarely last very long but both survived and thrived.
It's a bit difficult to judge the height but it must be about fifty feet tall.
If it fell straight towards the house it probably wouldn't hit it but I don't want to find out!
What complicates matters is that it grows on a fairly steep slope down towards a stream and I don't think that it is very deep rooted.

Anyway, problem avoided once more. Phew...

Thanks for asking, Griff.
limey • Jan 15, 2015 8:15 am
Meanwhile, it's still blowing a houllie out there. Remarkably we haven't had a power cut yet. Mr L and I decided to sleep downstairs as we thought the rattling slates on the roof would keep us awake. Instead the wind booming in the chimney kept us awake. The gusts are supposed to have peaked about an hour ago, at around 74mph. It does seem to be subsiding a little, now.


Sent by thought transference
glatt • Jan 15, 2015 9:04 am
74mph!

Picture your house, sitting on the back of a truck, zooming down the highway at 74mph. Not exactly an aerodynamic sight.
Carruthers • Jan 15, 2015 10:20 am
glatt;919230 wrote:
74mph!

Picture your house, sitting on the back of a truck, zooming down the highway at 74mph. Not exactly an aerodynamic sight.


From the Aberdeen Press & Journal Saturday 10th Jan 2015:

Record breaking winds caused a day of disruption in the north – with further bad weather expected this weekend.

Wind speeds topped 140mph at the summit of Cairn Gorm at the height of the storm.

A gust was recorded at Stornoway Airport of 113mph, equalling a record set in 1962.
busterb • Jan 15, 2015 11:00 am
I see city workers, down the street working on water lines. The dumb asses only cover with a few inches of dirt. 14º other night didn't do them any good.
limey • Jan 15, 2015 11:52 am
glatt;919230 wrote:
74mph!



Picture your house, sitting on the back of a truck, zooming down the highway at 74mph. Not exactly an aerodynamic sight.



It was pretty noisy. But we only seem to have lost a couple of slates off the roof. It's quite a bit calmer now, thank gawd!


Sent by thought transference
Carruthers • Jan 15, 2015 11:55 am
limey;919252 wrote:
It was pretty noisy. But we only seem to have lost a couple of slates off the roof. It's quite a bit calmer now, thank gawd!


Watched TV News about 45 minutes ago and it still looked decidedly 'bracing' in your part of the world.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 15, 2015 3:24 pm
From Carruthers' link.
The storms also left almost 100,000 properties without power and bosses at Scottish Hydro Electric Power Distribution (SHEPD) said they faced a “monumental task” to restore supplies.


More than 1,000 engineers and support staff, including many from the south of England, were drafted in to deal with the power cuts

SHEPD also dispatched British Red Cross “welfare vans” carrying free hot food and drinks, to 10 badly affected areas in Skye and Lochalsh which are likely to remain in the dark overnight.

It's a good thing the Scots still have England to bail them out. :bolt:
glatt • Jan 15, 2015 4:10 pm
chortle
Griff • Jan 17, 2015 10:36 am
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orthodoc • Jan 25, 2015 4:30 pm
Better lay in some extra batteries and foodstuffs, dwellars in Philly, DC, Boston, and Albany areas ... sounds like Juno will be a nasty one. If the winds are all they're predicting, it won't take much snow to create havoc.
glatt • Jan 25, 2015 5:09 pm
I think it's pretty much missing me. But folks further north are gonna have some fun weather.
Undertoad • Jan 25, 2015 6:50 pm
National Weather Service just decided that the model that gets me 10-14" is the right one.
Undertoad • Jan 25, 2015 9:37 pm
If you have loved ones in NYC, Connecticut or Rhode Island, send them Godspeed by Monday afternoon.

I don't even know what that means
orthodoc • Jan 25, 2015 10:28 pm
Undertoad;920284 wrote:
If you have loved ones in ... send them Godspeed by Monday afternoon.

I don't even know what that means


I love this. I don't know what it means either, but Godspeed to all in the storm's path.
BigV • Jan 25, 2015 10:43 pm
60 degrees today, lovely scattered high clouds and a light breeze. I love spring, but I will soon miss winter.
orthodoc • Jan 25, 2015 11:17 pm
With respect, what does winter mean in Seattle? Is it 60 degrees and a light breeze? That sounds like paradise.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 26, 2015 12:46 am
Undertoad;920284 wrote:
If you have loved ones in NYC, Connecticut or Rhode Island, send them Godspeed by Monday afternoon.

I don't even know what that means


orthodoc;920292 wrote:
I love this. I don't know what it means either, but Godspeed to all in the storm's path.


You dumb bastards, God's-speed... the best speed... crank... meth... they'll need it to shovel 30" of snow. Image
DanaC • Jan 26, 2015 7:33 am
We're getting weather warnings for mid week. Soooo sick of gale force winds and fucking snow/sleet/rain.

The leak in my bathrom window is getting worse. At some point the landlords will have to come round. Which means a mega cleaning sess on the house. Bleh.

The other week my mum's neighbour's window shattered because of the difference between the cold outside and the warm inside. Apparently this can happen with double glazing. Who knew?

Fortunately no chance of thathappening here. There are that many gaps around the window casings that the temperature differential would never get that high :P I swear the person who sold this house to my landlords did it up with sticky tape and silly putty.
Lamplighter • Jan 26, 2015 8:55 pm
Worst storm, snow, and winds predicted for US northeast states.
Travel is being shut down and actually banned starting
tonight at 11 pm in all of New York state and Connecticut,
and at 12 midnight in Massachusetts and Rhode Island.

[/conspiracist :tinfoil:]
The snow levels and winds predicted for New York and
surrounding states will turn out to be much less than forecast.

Next, we will learn it was only a dress-rehearsal called by the Dept of
Homeland Security to evaluate the preparedness of State governments
[\conspiracist]
Griff • Jan 26, 2015 9:03 pm
We're in the (almost) no-snow zone. :(

Officially its "long duration light snow"
monster • Jan 26, 2015 9:03 pm
Undertoad;920284 wrote:
If you have loved ones in NYC, Connecticut or Rhode Island, send them Godspeed by Monday afternoon.

I don't even know what that means


that's funny, we were at a party last week and I was saying how out of all the American phrases, I particularly like Alphabetize over the British "sort into alphabetical order". So much more efficient. (And how the Americans need to use the word "Fortnight") one guy wanted to swap Alphabetized for "Godspeed" because he liked it. Don't think he really knew what it meant either. I never even realized it was uniquely British. But I don't use it.
monster • Jan 26, 2015 9:04 pm
.... but I think it means something more along the lines of "have a safe journey"
glatt • Jan 26, 2015 9:48 pm
Griff;920380 wrote:
We're in the (almost) no-snow zone. :(

Officially its "long duration light snow"

similar here. Looks like we have about an inch maybe?
Carruthers • Jan 26, 2015 9:58 pm
monster;920381 wrote:
....I never even realized it was uniquely British. But I don't use it.


monster;920382 wrote:
.... but I think it means something more along the lines of "have a safe journey"


There's a famous bit of archive audio from the launch of Friendship 7 (1962) where the NASA commentator says "Godspeed John Glenn".
classicman • Jan 26, 2015 10:32 pm
We were supposed to get 12+" thenit changed and the grass isn't even covered. WTF? Its cold and windy. I wanted a foot of snow. This sucks.
My brothers and much of my extended family in southern CT are looking at 2 feet by tomorrow night. Eek!
monster • Jan 26, 2015 11:07 pm
Carruthers;920390 wrote:
There's a famous bit of archive audio from the launch of Friendship 7 (1962) where the NASA commentator says "Godspeed John Glenn".


then Not British. *shrug* I just thought it was an odd phrase for this guy to pick up on, and here it is again.
Lamplighter • Jan 27, 2015 12:05 am
classicman;920398 wrote:
We were supposed to get 12+" then it changed and the grass isn't even covered. WTF?
Its cold and windy. I wanted a foot of snow. This sucks.
My brothers and much of my extended family in southern CT are looking at 2 feet by tomorrow night. Eek!


Classic, here's a link to a page in WonderMap that is the current "severe weather" conditions in Connecticut...
You can chose the city to get more specific conditions up to the more recent reports.
Carruthers • Jan 27, 2015 4:08 am
monster;920403 wrote:
then Not British. *shrug* I just thought it was an odd phrase for this guy to pick up on, and here it is again.


Found it. 7 seconds in.

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Griff • Jan 27, 2015 7:13 am
Godspeed

The modern word godspeed derives from the expression God speed you on your way, which came about at a time when speed meant to prove successful or to prosper. That archaic sense of speed is long gone, but godspeed still means may you prosper on your way. It’s similar to good luck, though it’s often used in reference to people who have passed away. It’s also sometimes said to people, especially sailors, embarking on difficult journeys.

The term, which functions as both a noun and an interjection, is sometimes treated as two words, but the one-word godspeed is about five times as common in modern writing. Some publications always capitalize the g in godspeed, and some don’t.


http://grammarist.com/usage/godspeed/

This is interesting because it seems like I've seen it
misused in period movies.
Lamplighter • Jan 27, 2015 8:52 am
...Some publications always capitalize the g in godspeed, and some don’t...


I seem to remember that the "g" is not capitalized by some religious groups,
so as to steer clear of the commandment to not take the Lord's name in vain.
DanaC • Jan 27, 2015 9:23 am
Griff;920420 wrote:


This is interesting because it seems like I've seen it
misused in period movies.


In what way?
classicman • Jan 27, 2015 11:00 am
Lamplighter;920407 wrote:
Classic, here's a link to a page in WonderMap that is the current "severe weather" conditions in Connecticut...
You can chose the city to get more specific conditions up to the more recent reports.


Thanks. I've used that I think. Its still more fun to talk to my brother directly. :right:.

And here is my street RFN ...Total storm fail. I think we got ... not even an inch.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 27, 2015 11:00 am
Cape Cod, MA, this morning.
Undertoad • Jan 27, 2015 11:05 am
DanaC;920316 wrote:
The other week my mum's neighbour's window shattered because of the difference between the cold outside and the warm inside. Apparently this can happen with double glazing. Who knew?


At first I thought, huh. But then I thought, huh. It must be that the metal surrounding the window contracts, with the cold, in some way that puts pressure on the glass. Like if the putty gets too firm in the cold?
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 27, 2015 11:12 am
I'd guess the pane had a scratch, or an edge chip when it was assembled, making it weak enough to shatter when the frame stressed it.
glatt • Jan 27, 2015 11:17 am
Wow, NYC got hammered!

:right:

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fargon • Jan 27, 2015 11:39 am
We have had less than 2" so far this month.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 27, 2015 1:00 pm
After a week of crying [strike] wolf [/strike] snow, nobody will listen, so watch out for the next one. ;)
Griff • Jan 27, 2015 10:08 pm
DanaC;920430 wrote:
In what way?


I can't think of an example but my gut is saying the focus seemed more on getting somewhere rapidly than having prosperity or success. I suppose though I could have been bringing my misunderstanding of the term to the table as someone getting somewhere fast in a drama could often have a prosperous end. [/shrug] I'd really need to remember a specific case and look at it. I always thought it was a reference to Mercury or Hermes.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 28, 2015 12:33 pm
Agreed, seems to be applied where they mean a quick safe journey.
glatt • Jan 28, 2015 8:39 pm
My parents officially got 27 inches of snow, but the pictures are showing that it chose to drift right on top of the driveway about 3.5 to 4 feet deep. Right up to the hand grip of a standing snow shovel. They have a snow blower though, so it's only taken all day to dig out.
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xoxoxoBruce • Jan 29, 2015 12:10 am
This goes with the Cape Cod picture I posted above.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 29, 2015 12:39 am
OH good, popsci says it's OK to eat snow.
BigV • Jan 29, 2015 11:43 am
wow, heh, only all day.

yikes. I hope everyone's alright, property included.
limey • Jan 29, 2015 1:24 pm
Image
View from my window this morning. It'd all thawed by the end of the day.

Sent by thought transference
fargon • Jan 29, 2015 7:10 pm
Very little snow here it melts during the day, and freezes over the nite.
busterb • Jan 29, 2015 10:19 pm
73 today and headed down hill soon.
Griff • Feb 1, 2015 9:18 am
.Winter Storm Warning remains in effect from 4 PM this afternoon to 4 PM EST Monday...

* locations...the upper Susquehanna and Finger Lakes regions of New York...the western Catskills...and the twin tiers of southern New York and northern Pennsylvania.

* Hazards...heavy snow.

* Accumulations...storm totals of 8 to 12 inches...with locally higher amounts possible.

* Timing...light snow showers or flurries will occur through mid- afternoon...with only a coating of accumulation. Steady snow will overspread the region during the late afternoon and early evening hours... generally between 4 and 8 PM. The heaviest snow will fall from late tonight through midday Monday...when snowfall rates of 1 to 2 inches per hour are possible. Snow will gradually taper off by mid to late afternoon on Monday.

* Temperatures...mostly ranging from 15 to 25 degrees...then falling to 5 to 15 above by late Monday afternoon.

* Winds...northeast 5 to 10 mph.

* Impacts...slippery travel conditions from snow covered roads and walkways.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

A Winter Storm Warning means significant amounts of snow... sleet...and ice are expected or occurring. This will make travel very hazardous or impossible.

Please report snowfall and/or ice amounts to the National Weather Service by calling toll free at 1-888-603-1402...or by email at [email]bgm.Stormreport@noaa.Gov[/email].


Huzzah!
fargon • Feb 1, 2015 11:45 am
16F We are supposed to get about 1" of snow. We usually measure snow in feet. If this is all we are going to get then I'll take it.
Lamplighter • Feb 16, 2015 10:39 am
PDX has had a full week of sunny weather. Cool, sometimes cold.
But this morning the sunlight is brilliant, almost sparkling.
A mild breeze blowing in from the Columbia gorge.
Gravdigr • Feb 16, 2015 1:32 pm
Oh, fuck you.:p:

I opened the door this morning to 8 inches of the (thankfully) driest snow I've ever seen.

22 degrees.
infinite monkey • Feb 16, 2015 1:41 pm
Oh, fuck YOU. :p:

22 degrees would feel like a tropical heatwave right about now.

And it ain't getting much warmer anytime soon. See, we got spoiled, see? A mild winter, see? So's just in case we got complacent it needs to be butt ass cold for a couple weeks...you know, just so we APPRECIATE spring more. What spring? It'll go from negative 10 to 110. We don't get no spring no mo'.

/useless bitching
Gravdigr • Feb 16, 2015 1:54 pm
Eh, what else we got to bitch about? We're young, smart, and sexy as hell.

We'll get by.;)



Also, no one's called crying "I'm an idjit, come pull me outta the snow.", yet.

Ima go play in an hour or so.
Clodfobble • Feb 16, 2015 2:43 pm
You guys wanna come live with me? I mean it's not all fun and games, we had to have the lawn guys come mow the grass today, so that was pretty inconvenient.
infinite monkey • Feb 16, 2015 3:15 pm
;)
glatt • Feb 19, 2015 10:38 am
Arlington VA this morning at 6am was 11 degrees.
Barrow AK (northernmost "city" in US) this morning at 6am was 14 degrees.
fargon • Feb 19, 2015 10:42 am
Today at 6:00 AM it was -10 F, rite now it is -6F. I'm ready to break out the shorts and flip flops.
infinite monkey • Feb 19, 2015 11:36 am
Minus 5 this morning. 3 now. Wind chill minus 17 now.
Gravdigr • Feb 19, 2015 1:28 pm
Oh, fuck me!

Hit -10 here last night/this morning. A couple of towns, Elkton, and Cynthiana, reported -22.
infinite monkey • Feb 19, 2015 8:56 pm
I am so mad at the cold I could kill it. Only I can't. I can only complain and that makes no difference either. So I'll complain and pretend I can stab it right in the face.

Goddamn it! This is stupid shit cold.
monster • Feb 19, 2015 9:00 pm
mmm-hmmmmm. forecast is -26 centigrade feeling like -32 when I go to work in the morning. Nice.
infinite monkey • Feb 19, 2015 9:02 pm
I know, right? Buncha bullshit cold crap. I'm so sick of it!
glatt • Feb 19, 2015 9:46 pm
Hey, at least you got a new car battery before this latest round.

I thought our car might not start tonight heading out to a high school band thing. It finally did start, but shifting gears was almost impossible.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 19, 2015 11:51 pm
Well, it was chilly pulling up my dead water pump and installing a new one today. The major problem being no way to stay dry. Image
Griff • Feb 20, 2015 7:54 am
It dipped to -12 F this morning. This is when I thank The Shelter Institute for the house locating advice. No wind on my side of the mountain.
glatt • Feb 20, 2015 8:13 am
Cold temps cracked one of the outside rails on my metro line this morning. Major delays. But it was announced on the radio, so I rushed and got to the station about 45 minutes early, and made it in to work just on time.

Guys, it's cold out there.
Undertoad • Feb 20, 2015 8:35 am
Cracked a RAIL!
bbro • Feb 20, 2015 8:53 am
Central NC has had a crappy week. Local schools have been out all week. I worked at home for three days - I would have loved all week. We got snow on Monday which was covered with ice that persisted for a few days. There are still some ice chunks sitting around parking lots and some black ice.

I am sick of this cold! I moved south to get away from this for fuck's sake - it's not supposed to be 7 degrees here. Yes, I know there are colder places, but this is the south, dammit. Give me back my 40 degree winters you fuckers :(
glatt • Feb 20, 2015 9:16 am
Sing it, sister!
infinite monkey • Feb 20, 2015 9:20 am
I know, right? I want to yell at someone or something about this cold crap. It won't do any good but it feels like someone (or something) needs to take some goddam responsibility for it!

I'm off Fridays and haven't ventured far from cozy bed and warm electric blanket. I need to go to the laundromat, but it might wait until tomorrow, though everyone and their dog will be there tomorrow when the tropical heatwave of 36 degrees hits.
glatt • Feb 20, 2015 12:12 pm
A little excitement this morning at work. A sprinkler head in the first floor restaurant in our building went off, flooding the restaurant. No big deal, except we have workroom space below the restaurant, and it's raining in 5 of the workrooms as the water finds its way through every hairline crack in the restaurant's concrete floor slab.

I mention it here, because somebody is claiming it is cold related, although I don't understand how that's possible with an interior sprinkler head.

Never rent space below a restaurant kitchen.
Lamplighter • Feb 20, 2015 2:20 pm
...without comment...
Gravdigr • Feb 20, 2015 3:16 pm
Lows last night:

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glatt • Feb 20, 2015 3:48 pm
I thought it was cold here, but damn. Just damn.
Gravdigr • Feb 20, 2015 3:52 pm
That's what we said.

Only it came out "D-d-d-d-aaaaaaaaayum!"
monster • Feb 20, 2015 9:41 pm
how in the fuck did that happen? did you piss off some ice queen?
busterb • Feb 21, 2015 2:15 pm
Yesterday when I left to go to DR. was 23º. This morning was 59º on way to 70º. Folks wonder why they're sick. Chance Freezing Rain Monday nite and Tuesday. Fucking hell.
:bitching:
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 21, 2015 2:20 pm
That's why they invented Mud & Snow tires, buster. :haha:
Lamplighter • Feb 23, 2015 3:02 pm
OK, I want a resounding "Poooor Baaaby" for this post...

We are still in late February.
There have been 2 consecutive weeks of brilliant sunshine,
warm temps, and mild breezes here in the PDX area.

The camellias are blooming and trees are budding out.
Our grass has been growing for the past week.
All this doesn't happen around here until late March or April.
We can, and probably will, have more snow/freezing temps/etc

The grass needs mowing.
My lawnmower is empty of fuel and put up for the winter.
I've misplaced my red plastic gas can.
I'm feeling incredibly lazy.

But since we are going out of town tomorrow, I've got to do it today.
... go buy new gas can, get gas, get mower started *,
mow the lawn, drain the tank, put the mower away again.

*and in all likelihood I'll have to overhaul the carburetor in the process.

Bah humbug.
Gravdigr • Feb 23, 2015 3:11 pm
Aaawwww, pooooor baby...:lol2:

If it ain't one thing it's another, ain't it?

Glad somebody's having decent weather, anyway.
infinite monkey • Mar 1, 2015 8:34 am
Well, it's warmer anyway. But it's snowing and snowing and snowing. They're calling for seven inches (well, who isn't?) It's pretty until you have to go out and drive in it.

I hope this is the last bout of winter. I think everyone has had enough, thank you very much.
Lamplighter • Mar 1, 2015 10:30 am
Lamplighter;922380 wrote:
OK, I want a resounding "Poooor Baaaby" for this post.<snip>


That day I was feeling incredibly lazy, and we went out of town.

And then there was a day of cloudy, sprinkling, weather, so the grass
was "obviously too wet to mow".

Today, the sun is up and about, it's going to be a warm, cloud-less,
and slightly breezy day, the damn grass still needs mowing,
and again I'm feeling incredibly lazy.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 1, 2015 11:07 am
Kill it... kill it with fire. :flamer: Then Salt the earth.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 4, 2015 3:36 pm
Are you fed up with this nasty winter? Better get used to it, there may be ten more.
Griff • Mar 5, 2015 7:17 am
I guess we'd better throw another dinosaur on the fire.
Gravdigr • Mar 5, 2015 3:29 pm
We got about four inches of fresh powder, and about 1.5-2 inches of stale ice.

Coulda been worse.
Gravdigr • Mar 6, 2015 4:42 pm
Last night's/this morning's lows:

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Man, this hard on Kentuckians. We ain't used to this.
glatt • Mar 6, 2015 8:56 pm
KY has been making the news with their unusually shitty weather. Sorry, Man.
Gravdigr • Mar 7, 2015 6:39 pm
We may be done with winter, now.

Fifties and over predicted for the next couple weeks.

:cheerldr:
infinite monkey • Mar 7, 2015 9:16 pm
Yay KY!

It was 45 degrees today! I got my car from the shop, 250 bucks later, my car is running good. And it's WARM outside.. I am going to live, I swear, keep bringing it on FSM, I can make it work somehow! I ain't scared! Broken pipes aside, I will LIVE. At the end of the day, I will be fine. :lol:
BigV • Mar 10, 2015 1:13 pm
weather:

warmest average winter temperature on record, 48.8 degrees Dec/Jan/Feb. Snowpack 28% of normal. Department of Ecology (???) requesting 9 million dollars in the legislature now for implementation of drought declaration this summer to buy water rights or drill emergency wells, etc...
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 12, 2015 10:20 pm
Poor Boston got over 100 inches of snow this winter.
Capracotta, Italy, got 100.8 inches in 18 hours. :eek:
elSicomoro • Mar 13, 2015 8:03 pm
Tonga has a new island, if only temporarily.
Griff • Mar 14, 2015 9:38 am
nice. Hey dude!
Gravdigr • Mar 14, 2015 6:55 pm
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I predict a Scooter ride tomorrow.
tw • Mar 14, 2015 11:52 pm
elSicomoro;923544 wrote:
Tonga has a new, if only temporarily.
China will put an airstrip on it and claim it as part of their South China Sea.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 17, 2015 10:31 am
After the big warm-&-melt a week ago I figured we've got winter dicked, now.
It could, and probably will, snow again, but it won't last more than day if so.
Then I was reminded of Spring storms, especially the ones after the leaves have started because it tears up the trees, and power lines.
elSicomoro • Mar 17, 2015 10:36 am
84 here yesterday in KC; 54 today.
Gravdigr • Mar 17, 2015 6:09 pm
75-76 here yesterday. I put about 150-200 miles on the scooter. My ass/tailbone was numb from an hour in, and then in pain for about four hours afterward.

Won't be going to Montana soon.
elSicomoro • Mar 17, 2015 9:29 pm
I have lower back issues these days...I'm curious to see how my back holds up over the next 2 weeks. If we get a car with comfy seats, it might be a moot point.
fargon • Mar 23, 2015 10:41 pm
The pic is my truck this morning. It was 70F last week.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 28, 2015 12:31 am
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busterb • May 13, 2015 11:20 am
Not current. Jan. 3rd rain fall flooded the crossing of hwy 18 and hwy 15 here in town. The gazebo is where there was a spring when I was a child, until someone tried to clean it out and fix up. Also was once a Bay tree. Hence the name of town. Found the first photo on FB. Last was made on past Sunday..
glatt • Jun 19, 2015 10:55 am
We're going camping this weekend! I'm taking the troop on a Wilderness Survival merit badge camping trip where they make their own shelters out of sticks and twigs and dead leaves. They build them Saturday during the day and then spend the night in them.

And guess what? Tropical storm Bill remnants are hitting us just as it's time to climb in to those "shelters." We have a 96% chance of rain that night with an expected 1.5 inches total. It will be like aiming a garden hose at the shelters for 10 hours. LOL. This is gonna be something those boys remember for a long time. At least with temps only getting down to 74, hypothermia is not likely. And they will have space blankets.
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Worst case scenario, the cars are parked a half mile away and it's only a fifteen minute drive home.

We've got 8 adults signed up to take 4 team shifts of 2 hours each to check the boys during the night. It'll be fine, right?
Lamplighter • Jun 19, 2015 12:32 pm
Just chose your campsites wisely

... not under that big tree with dead limbs
... not down there in that smooth grassy gulley
... not up there at the top of that rocky outcrop
... not over there by that building's gutter downspouts

And have a really good time

Oh yes, if your camping in something of a city-like park,
... not over there in the off-lease dog area
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 19, 2015 2:06 pm
.
Gravdigr • Jun 19, 2015 2:08 pm
...not in the bear's dining room.
...not over there in the junkies' shooting gallery.
...not down by that pile of old Hustler magazines with the pages all stuck together.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 21, 2015 5:44 pm
Well now they let flakes and girls in, who knows what'll happen.
Lamplighter • Jun 22, 2015 9:28 am
glatt;931432 wrote:
We're going camping this weekend! I'm taking the troop on a Wilderness Survival merit badge camping trip where they make their own shelters out of sticks and twigs and dead leaves. They build them Saturday during the day and then spend the night in them.
...
We've got 8 adults signed up to take 4 team shifts of 2 hours each to check the boys during the night. It'll be fine, right?



@Glatt: We need your report... How did it go ?
fargon • Jun 22, 2015 10:01 am
It's raining.
glatt • Jun 22, 2015 10:44 am
It was good. Honestly a lot of fun, and I think the boys had fun with the challenging weather.

We taught them survival skills all day Saturday and one of the many things we taught them was heat exhaustion, and we had two adults succumb to heat exhaustion during the day on Saturday because the heat index got up around 100, and it was a chore humping in all the camping gear from the parking lot a half mile away. Also, the water faucet was a few hundred meters away, so getting water wasn't easy and in hindsight they probably didn't drink as much as they should have. So anyway, two of the adults had to go lie down. One got better. One still felt like shit and ended up going home, which was only a 15 minute drive away.

After the instruction and hands on teaching, the boys went off a few hundred feet deeper into the woods and started making shelters. The only useful thing (other than natural materials) they had was one standard draw string trash bag, and one survival "space" blanket.

Then we had dinner, and shortly after dinner, the storms started coming through in waves. They were basically the heaviest rainstorms I've experienced. Not much wind, which was good, but lots of violent lightning and extremely heavy rain. I had brought a blue utility tarp large enough to cover the two picnic tables, and had set it up well over the two tables. But the rain was coming down so hard that we had to continuously (like ever 2-3 seconds) push up on low spots in the tarp to dump a gallon or two of pooling water out of the low spots in it. After the first wave of a downpour, I put a pot out to measure the rainfall. It had straight edges, and we got about an inch and a half of rain in about 2 hours.

There was flash flooding. It was coming down faster than the dirt could absorb it, so the entire campsite became one small pond about an inch deep. Half of the tents were in 1-2 inches of standing water. I had my tent near a tree, where the ground was an inch or two higher than the surrounding area, so mine was not in a puddle. And my tarp mostly repelled the incredible onslaught of water. A little bit weeped inside the tent, but I could easily wipe it up with a microfiber towel. It was basically bone dry inside my tent. Others hadn't fared so well.
The boys were not in the shelters yet.

It was only about 9PM at this point, and the storms had completely flattened one of the shelters. The rest were still up, but the ground inside the shelters was soaked. At around 11PM, the waves of storms had gone by and it was time to send the boys out into their shelters. Out of 14 boys, 9 of them gave up on the idea of sleeping in their shelters and crawled into their wet tents instead. Five of the boys started off in their shelters, and three of them gave up after an hour or so of lying in the mud. Two of the boys made it through the night in their shelters and earned their wilderness survival merit badges during just about the worst possible conditions a person can expect to have.

I didn't get much sleep, because the adults took shifts through the night to check on the boys. I had the 2-4 shift, and from 11-2, I kept waking up and checking my watch because I didn't trust my alarm to wake me. According to my fitbit, I got 2h 11min of sleep before my shift, and 1h 33min of sleep after my shift and before it was time to get up. It was fun taking a shift though, because we were just hanging out by the fire chatting and occasionally going out to check that the two remaining boys were still alive.

All and all, I have to say that I LOVE Boy Scouts and the experiences it offers these boys. We gave them lighters on this trip. There were some 12 year old boys there who have never held a lighter in their life and didn't know how to use one. I encouraged them to keep playing with the lighters until they could get them to light (which is a lot harder than when I was a kid because they have been child proofed.) We told them to bring their knives. So they were playing with knives and lighters all day long, and being encouraged to do so. We sat out in the rain in a violent lightning storm, because there was no where else to go. The lighting is going to hit the tall trees, and probably not the scouts off the ground on a picnic table under a tarp. The boys were chit-chatting excitedly as the storm was pounding on us. After every crack and boom they would be like "Whoa! Did you hear that one!" They were in high spirits until the next morning when it was time to pack up all the wet gear and shlep it back to the cars. That's when they got grumpy, but they are grumpy during nice weather at that time.

I'm glad boys have a place where they can play in the mud, build shelters, play with knives and lighters, and filter scummy water from a canal to drink. All day long, all they hear is "no" and "be careful" and in Scouts we almost never say that stuff unless they are doing something really stupid.
glatt • Jun 22, 2015 11:00 am
I'll post pictures of my son, since I wouldn't feel right about posting other kids.

This is the first draft of his shelter and him posing in it. He picked a lot of grass and put it on the ground to get him off the dirt. It looked pretty good. He cut the trash bag open along the two sides and unfolded it to make one half of a roof. He used leaves and grass for the other side of the roof.
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After the first ridiculously heavy downpour for only 10 minutes, they all went out to examine their shelters, and he saw his was soaking wet inside. So he put a space blanket on the other side of the roof.
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The shelter looked a lot better, and would probably keep him dry, except it was already wet inside. He earned his wilderness survival merit badge two years ago, so he was just doing this for fun. He was happy with his shelter but wanted to sleep in a dry tent instead. So he did, except his tent wasn't so dry either.

You'll notice caution tape strung up around the perimeter. We didn't want boys wandering out into the woods int he middle of the night, and we wanted to make it easy for the parents to check on the boys in the pitch dark without wandering around looking for them. The caution tape was a really good idea.
glatt • Jun 22, 2015 11:12 am
And cell phones don't do well in the dark, but you can see the reflection in the puddle and get a sense for the size of it. No pictures were taken during the height of the storms. Too focused on other stuff.
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fargon • Jun 22, 2015 11:35 am
Wow that is a lot of rain. I have fond memories of Boy Scouts, and camping with my father.
Lamplighter • Jun 22, 2015 12:16 pm
... a very entertaining report !

Almost like being there, but not really.
Gravdigr • Jun 22, 2015 3:08 pm
Knives and lighters!!

I still like playing with knives and fire!!!!
fargon • Jun 23, 2015 8:18 am
Gravdigr;931722 wrote:
Knives and lighters!!

I still like playing with knives and fire!!!!


Me too.
Lamplighter • Jun 23, 2015 9:34 am
Technically it's not weather, but ...

WASHINGTON &#8211; A severe solar storm slammed Earth on Monday afternoon,
increasing the chances of fluctuations in the power grid and GPS.
It also pushes shimmering polar auroras to places where more people can possibly see them.

Federal forecasters said the Northern Lights may be able to be seen
Tuesday night as far south as Iowa or Pennsylvania.


I'm wondering if the Aussie's will be able to participate too

ETA: It looks as if Australia is too far north, but Tasmania and the
South Island of New Zealand might have their own display.
Gravdigr • Jun 23, 2015 5:28 pm
It's hot.
Sundae • Jun 23, 2015 5:48 pm
It's cold. For Summer.
GD maritime climate.
monster • Jun 23, 2015 9:07 pm
we got a few tornadoes and the Northern light here in MI. me, I was woken by the cacophony of cellphone alerts at 2am, thinking it was my work alarm. We all stumbled down to the basement, camped out there for an hour, stumbled back to bed (for an hour, in my case). the entire of Ann Arbor was walking round like zombies today. nearest touchdown was about 15 miles away.
Griff • Jun 24, 2015 7:02 am
Philly got knocked around yesterday.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 26, 2015 2:41 pm
Griff;931840 wrote:
Philly got knocked around yesterday.

Yes, power went out Tuesday about 5:45 PM and I got mine back at 4 AM this(Friday) morning. Still a lot of people in the dark.
Here, almost every big tree was damaged, and about a dozen are "totaled".

Big branches everywhere...
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Lots of tree tops...
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And whole trees...
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Fortunately it landed on the trailer but missed the pickup...
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Gravdigr • Jun 26, 2015 3:32 pm
Loaded and ready to go.
BigV • Jul 3, 2015 1:17 am
It's 84 degrees in the house.

It's been the hottest June on record, by a long shot. Only eight days with measurable precipitation this spring.
glatt • Jul 3, 2015 6:22 am
We got your rain. 2nd wettest June on the books.
Gravdigr • Jul 3, 2015 12:19 pm
It's wet. Very wet.
Griff • Jul 3, 2015 1:42 pm
Actual sun today, quick get something done!
Gravdigr • Jul 3, 2015 2:39 pm
Griff;932497 wrote:
quick get something done!


I. Will. Not.
BigV • Jul 3, 2015 3:37 pm
BigV;932464 wrote:
It's 84 degrees in the house.

It's been the hottest June on record, by a long shot. Only eight days with measurable precipitation this spring.


http://www.komonews.com/weather/blogs/scott/June-doesnt-just-break-but-destroys-several-Seattle-temperature-records--311125801.html


The average high temperature for June was 78.9 degrees. That's a new record -- by a long shot. The old record? 75.8 degrees set in… 1992. Beating an average high temperature record by three degrees is quite the feat. For perspective, it's like taking the previous hottest June, and adding an extra 93 degrees to spread around the 30 days. Third place is 74.7, 4th place is 74.1, so each time setting the record previously was more of an edge than an oblitteration. So 2015 is putting up incredibly lofty numbers that will be tough to beat.

By the way, the typical average high temperature for June in Seattle? 69.9 degrees.


there are other measurements listed in the article, suffice it to say it's been hot and dry.

btw a correction, eight days of precip from May to June, not all spring. Still. :sweat:
Undertoad • Jul 13, 2015 4:51 pm
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She was far more than a meaningless Atlantic storm...
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 13, 2015 5:35 pm
HA HA, missed me. Image
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 13, 2015 8:09 pm
Part of the cause and effect of your weather, is the amount of energy you get smacked with by the Sun. This map at the link is interactive so you can mouse up the counties... except Alaska and Hawaii.

The sunniest place in the lower 48 is Imperial County, Calif. All that sunlight makes the region a great place to grow crops — or it least it was, when water from the Colorado river was more plentiful. Overall, the Southwest gets the most sun in an average day, along with select regions on the Gulf Coast and the southern tip of Florida.

Average sunlight generally diminishes as you head farther north, though you can see that sunlight isn't simply a function of map placement. Pittsburgh (Allegheny County, Pa.) is at roughly the same latitude as Salt Lake City (Salt Lake County, Utah), but the former is at the bottom of the solar distribution while the latter is closer to the top.
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The absolute least sunny county in the lower U.S. is Island County, Wash. On an average day, it gets only about 60 percent of the solar radiation of a typical county in Southern California. The states bordering the Great Lakes — from Minnesota to New York — are all at the bottom of the sunlight distribution. Northern New England is right there with them.
glatt • Jul 13, 2015 9:42 pm
That's a map of places that should get solar panels.
infinite monkey • Jul 14, 2015 12:20 pm
Last night at work2 we had to (and oh, it was excruciating. laughing and joking...poor me ;) ) hang out in the training room because tornado sirens were going off. Today more severe storms are expected. I guess at work1 we're supposed to go into the tunnel, but I think I'll just hang out in the vault that's right next to my desk (a non-locking-anymore vault.)

But they never reported a tornado sighting. It used to be that watches were for "conditions are favorable for a tornado to develop" and warnings meant they'd seen something. I guess now they can just go crazy with warnings...so that warnings now have the same impact that watches used to have, meaning "meh...I'll just go about my business."

Not that I really care. If I'd been home I wouldn't have sought any alternate shelter anyway. For one thing, I love storms and this has been the most awesome summer for rain and storms, for another thing, if a tornado wants to come and get me then let it. I double dog dare it. But I will hang out in a training room or a vault if'n they're handy.
glatt • Jul 14, 2015 12:35 pm
Sometimes you just have to take your chances. Couple weeks ago, I was camping and there was a violent thunderstorm. Nowhere to go, so we all just sat under the tarp at the picnic table and experienced the storm. Lightning was striking very close, but not close enough that it hit any of us.

Odds are a tornado will miss you, even if there is one around.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 14, 2015 1:19 pm
If you sit in a swivel desk chair wear a seatbelt, because the tornado will just spin you around real fast. :rolleyes:
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 15, 2015 7:10 am
Damn it, I'm rusting.
By the way, today is Saint Swithin's Day. If it rains today it will rain for 40 days and 40 nights.
Gravdigr • Jul 15, 2015 2:51 pm

St Swithun's day if thou dost rain
For forty days it will remain
St Swithun's day if thou be fair
For forty days 'twill rain nae mare


If you're gonna make me learn stuff, at least spell it write.

:bitching:
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 15, 2015 3:25 pm
You didn't believe me and had to look it up, didn't you. That's your problem, so fuck you, don't blame me for your insatiable curiosity. Image
Gravdigr • Jul 15, 2015 3:52 pm
I lost my waggly hand ears on 9/11, you insensitive bassturd.
BigV • Jul 15, 2015 4:05 pm
xoxoxoBruce;933638 wrote:
Damn it, I'm rusting.
By the way, today is Saint Swithin's Day. If it rains today it will rain for 40 days and 40 nights.


Let's trade, hm?

I mentioned a couple times how hot and dry it's been since... forever it seems. Crispy, right? Out here is a beautiful national park, Olympic National Park, home of the largest, wettest temperate rainforest in the continental United States, 200 inches of rain a year. It's so hot and dry, the fucking rainforest is on fire, has been for weeks, and is expected to remain uncontained until the end of September.

Now in its third month, the Paradise Fire has consumed nearly 1,600 acres of forest, making it the largest since the park was founded. According to the National Wildfire Coordinating Group Web site, officials don&#8217;t expect to have the fire contained until Sept. 30.
Gravdigr • Jul 15, 2015 4:10 pm
BigV;933692 wrote:
...the fucking rainforest is on fire...


Damn.:eek:
Undertoad • Jul 15, 2015 4:13 pm
Well, El Nino to the rescue! Supposed to be a big one.
infinite monkey • Jul 15, 2015 4:16 pm
I didn't know about that BigV. Ouch. You guys are like known for rain. I've loved all the rain this summer. Also, I haven't had to run the A/C units nearly as much, which saves precious dollars on my too high electric bills. Except for some area small flooding issues, I don't see a downside to the rain. A couple of bozos took their kayaks out on the flooded river yesterday and one lost his kayak and had to climb a tree while his buddy hung onto a branch, while still in his kayak, while they wasted precious tax dollars trying to save their dumbasses. The names of the ignoramus maroons have not been released. Probably so they won't be laughed at to their faces the rest of their lives.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 15, 2015 4:16 pm
That's why I said we should be building fire fighting planes instead of that damn F-35. Image
glatt • Jul 15, 2015 4:19 pm
Rain is just fine. Keeps things green. Keeps the reservoirs full. In the past, my biggest concern with rain was finding a dry time on the weekend to mow the lawn, but now I've got the kids mowing the lawn and they can do it any time during the week when the grass gets dry. Good stuff.
BigV • Jul 15, 2015 4:19 pm
xoxoxoBruce;933696 wrote:
That's why I said we should be building fire fighting planes instead of that damn F-35. Image


amen brother.
fargon • Jul 16, 2015 8:03 am
What they both said^
BigV • Jul 19, 2015 9:22 pm
gah.

6:20 pm, thermostat says 88 degrees in the house. I have a window fan with a temperature display, that one says 93 degrees.

I'm melting.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 19, 2015 9:29 pm
That corner of the country is going to have to get more familiar with A/C in the future. It's a good thing you have all those hydro dams to make cheap power. Wait, we have to tear them down for the fish. Have to BBQ the fish outside then, too hot in the house. :haha:
Gravdigr • Jul 20, 2015 5:52 pm
I came in the other morning at 2:30 in the a.m. and the thermometer read 82 degrees (outside, inside it was 70:D).
BigV • Jul 20, 2015 8:06 pm
Sounds refreshing. But, is it expensive, electricity wise?
Clodfobble • Jul 21, 2015 7:55 am
Our electricity bill never breaks $400 in the summer anymore, now that have the radiant barrier, window films, and solar hot water heater... Now it's a paltry $325ish every June-August. :rolleyes:
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 21, 2015 9:59 am
Keeping the shades and drapes closed, my central air runs about a dollar a day.
glatt • Jul 21, 2015 10:34 am
On days like today, our central air never shuts off. It ju$t run$ and run$.

Edit: A screen shot of how much our AC has run each day in the last week.
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Gravdigr • Jul 21, 2015 5:20 pm
BigV;934170 wrote:
Sounds refreshing. But, is it expensive, electricity wise?


In the deepest hottest parts of summer we'll break $100, but, usually the worst is no more than $125. It's pretty rare to go any higher.

:fingerx::fingerx:/knock wood/counting my lucky stars

Popdigr insulated the shit outta this house when they owned it, back in the mid 70s. Went through some TVA program that came and inspected the house, did the leak test around doors and windows with the smoke machine. Then he had shit blown in all the walls/ceilings/crawl spaces, top to bottom.:D
Lamplighter • Jul 21, 2015 6:06 pm
Yeah, remember how in the 30's and 40's everyone hated the TVA.

"We're from the government and we're here to help you..."

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xoxoxoBruce • Jul 21, 2015 9:52 pm
Bonneville Speed week has been cancelled. Too much rain means not enough dry salt, for the second consecutive year. :(
Clodfobble • Jul 21, 2015 9:55 pm
I don't know what that is, but it sounds like a bummer. (That it got cancelled, I mean, not the event itself.)
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 21, 2015 11:49 pm
Bonneville speed week.
chrisinhouston • Jul 28, 2015 2:43 pm
Supposed to hit 100 here today in Houston and be hotter tomorrow. I'm prepared though!
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 28, 2015 2:55 pm
Damn, that suit looks like a pressure cooker. :haha:
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 31, 2015 12:50 pm
Proof global warming is a left wing plot. :lol2:
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 31, 2015 5:56 pm
Is California burning because of the heat, or hot because it's burning?
Either way I think I'll take the long way round.
Lamplighter • Jul 31, 2015 6:06 pm
Haines index of 6 is maximum, but that looks more like 666
Lamplighter • Aug 2, 2015 7:06 pm
Yesterday, I was looking at data on the California wildfires.
Overnight, the "Rocky" fire went from 7,000 acres to 47,000 acres !

That is from a square 11 miles on a side growing to 75 miles on a side - overnight !

They are reporting 9,000 firefighters are on fire lines in California,
and large numbers (thousands) of people are being evacuated.

The "Rocky Fire" is the one near Clear Lake.
Lamplighter • Aug 2, 2015 8:19 pm
Here in the PDX area, we had the annual "Float the River" event.

More than 8,000 people floated in big rafts, small rafts, kayaks, and inner-tubes down the Clackamas River !

The Clackamas is a pristine free-stone tributary of the Willamette,
and the 8-mile float from Barton Park to Portland is a traditional rite-of-passage
for local teenagers at any time of the year.

White water rafters and kayakers start several miles upstream
so they travel thru Class III - and at high water - Class IV rapids.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 2, 2015 9:05 pm
Lamplighter;935204 wrote:
Yesterday, I was looking at data on the California wildfires.
Overnight, the "Rocky" fire went from 7,000 acres to 47,000 acres !

That is from a square 11 miles on a side growing to 75 miles on a side - overnight !


Huh?
11 miles x 11 miles = 121 sq miles x 640 acres/sq mile = 77,440 acres

75 miles x 75 miles = 5625 sq miles x 640 acres/sq mile = 3,600,000 acres

I'm no mathematician so what am I doing wrong? :confused:
Lamplighter • Aug 2, 2015 10:07 pm
xoxoxoBruce;935212 wrote:
Huh?
11 miles x 11 miles = 121 sq miles x 640 acres/sq mile = 77,440 acres

75 miles x 75 miles = 5625 sq miles x 640 acres/sq mile = 3,600,000 acres

I'm no mathematician so what am I doing wrong? :confused:


You're absolutely right... I worded my sentences wrongly.

..7,000 acres = 10.9 square miles - not a square 10.9 miles on a side.
47,000 acres = 73.4 square miles - not a square 73.4 miles on a side.

So then, 73.4 square miles would be like a square ~ 8.6 miles on a side.
That's much more reasonable for the spread of a wildfire than what I was thinking.

Thank you for catching my errors
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 2, 2015 10:36 pm
I sounded too little acres for that size square, because I have lots of experience with acres and pains. ;)
glatt • Aug 3, 2015 9:21 am
Instead of reading news reports about the fires and trying to interpret what they mean and where they are, just go directly to the source:

http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us

And click on "Download KMZ File" which you then open with Google Earth. You will have real time MODIS satellite data superimposed on Google earth to show you where every wild fire in the USA is located and how long it's been burning.

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Lamplighter • Aug 3, 2015 10:55 am
That's a pretty cool download !
Gravdigr • Aug 3, 2015 4:26 pm
Man, there's a lot of info at that site.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 17, 2015 5:20 pm
Now those anti-climate change hippies are exposed as the terrorist supporters they are. "haha"

The heat in countries across the Middle East has been unbearable this past week, and it doesn't show signs of relenting any time soon, according to the Weather Channel. From Iraq to the United Arab Emirates, the so-called "heat dome" has wreaked havoc on power grids and led to water cuts for many in the region.

The "heat dome" has put millions at risk of developing heat-related illnesses such as heat exhaustion and sun stroke. It has forced people to seek shelter and wade in makeshift swimming pools, and the record-breaking heat has also led to dozens of hospitalizations.

To better understand the extremity of the current weather situation, the first thing you should know is the term "heat index." The heat index is a way of measuring what the temperature actually feels like: the heat index in Bandar Mahshahr, Iran registered a staggering 154 degrees Fahrenheit, over the weekend.

Extreme weather might be more common to the region than elsewhere on the globe, such as North America (which is also experiencing one of the hottest years on record). However, recent conditions have proved particularly dangerous. In Iraq, the government even imposed a four-day mandatory holiday in response to the heat wave.

Link
Gravdigr • Aug 18, 2015 2:58 pm
I would to take this opportunity to document, for the record, that, on August 17, 2015, at approximately 3:00pm, in south central Kentucky, the temperature was 74 degrees.

That is all.
glatt • Aug 18, 2015 3:39 pm
My hands were shaking so violently from uncontrollable shivering on August 9th at about 8PM that I had considerable trouble pushing the button on the rental car key fob to open the trunk and get out a dry change of clothes and towels.

A rainy day in Nova Scotia on rough water in a small zodiac will do that.
Lamplighter • Aug 22, 2015 10:07 pm
You've probably heard of the wildfires in the Pacific Northwest.

Here is a satellite image of the northern half of Oregon showing
the smoke from fires in central Oregon and Southeastern Washington.
(The Columbia River is easily identified here.
It is the border between the states for most of it's length.)

The visible smoke is being blown westward and Portland is smelling "burnt".
It was a beautiful bright red sunrise today, and the light has been yellow all day long.

Weird for PDX...
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 22, 2015 10:50 pm
I reiterate, we should be building fire-fighting planes instead of the F-35. :(
Griff • Aug 23, 2015 12:56 pm
We could be building almost anything and get more value.
Gravdigr • Aug 23, 2015 5:03 pm
We could just stop building the F-35, and be better off. Didn't need it to start with.
BigV • Aug 26, 2015 1:50 pm
The fires here in the Pacific Northwest are record breakers. Over the past couple weeks it was shocking at first and then tragically routine to hear the size of the fires reported in the morning and then a larger size reported hours later in the afternoon newscast. The air in Seattle has been very smoky, rated unhealthy to breathe on a number of days and Seattle's many many miles from the largest fires. Hundreds of square miles, hundreds of structures, three firefighters died last week, very tragic.
Lamplighter • Sep 10, 2015 8:55 am
We moved last month, and are now at a slightly higher elevation with fewer trees,
so I can walk the dog to various places where I can almost see the horizon in different directions.

Today at ~ 4:30 am I was treated to a new moon and Venus rising together in the East,
with Mars on their northern left - so faint as to be barely visible.
The winter constellations have already made their appearance, so summer is drifting past

I miss all the trees, but it is a new experience for me to see so much of the morning sky in a single view.

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glatt • Sep 10, 2015 9:00 am
That's awesome.

Yes. Summer is gone. It's dark when my alarm goes off.
fargon • Sep 10, 2015 12:05 pm
glatt;938510 wrote:


Yes. Summer is gone. It's dark when my alarm goes off.


Sad but true.
Gravdigr • Sep 10, 2015 1:15 pm
So long Summer, don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. Buh-bye.
Griff • Sep 11, 2015 7:04 am
The chickens are asleep at feeding time. I guess this is the weekend to put a light in the coop and try to get them back on a laying cycle.

Oh weather, blessed rain after 19 days of dry.
Gravdigr • Sep 11, 2015 5:06 pm
We got wet last couple days, too.

About a month without measurable rain.
Lamplighter • Sep 20, 2015 9:11 pm
If you're not doing anything special during the evening of 9/27th...

[YOUTUBE]vKAw_wrIr5s[/YOUTUBE]

In PDX, the moon will rise in full eclipse around 7:45 pm, and
proceed thru partial eclipse and end in about 1.5 hrs later.

Of course if you're not on the West Coast of the US,
you'll have to recalculate for wherever you are.

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Lamplighter • Sep 23, 2015 9:53 am
I'm still being fascinated during early morning walks in our new home town.

This morning around 5:30 in PDX for example, our Eastern horizon and up and off southerly
gave full sight of the brightly lit Jupiter, the reddish Mars and it's temporary companion,
Regulus, and an extremely bright Venus, ...followed by Betelgeuse and the rest of Orion.

City star-gazing is usually not so dramatic.

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xoxoxoBruce • Sep 27, 2015 6:26 am
I had occasion to be outside in the middle of Bumfuck Indiana last week. They have a lot more stars than we do. :haha:
glatt • Sep 30, 2015 2:06 pm
Uh oh.
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bbro • Sep 30, 2015 2:42 pm
glatt - that shall be my weekend. my work is already sending out "what to do if office is closed" emails
Griff • Oct 1, 2015 7:35 am
The potential track is all over the place. Leaving civilization this weekend we'll see what we come back to...
footfootfoot • Oct 1, 2015 9:39 am
Like they need all that rain in the ocean.

Greedy, greedy ocean.
bbro • Oct 1, 2015 10:42 am
It's been raining here in North Cackalacky for about 2 weeks. We do NOT need more rain. Damn hurricane. I WANT TO PLAY WITH MY NEW CAMERA DAMMIT!!
glatt • Oct 1, 2015 11:53 am
It just keeps getting crazier.

17 (SEVENTEEN!) inches of rain predicted for the western mountains of N.C. over the next few days. That kind of rain in the mountains can wash entire valley towns away. This is going to be interesting. My own forecast has increased from 4-5 inches to 5-7 inches.
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xoxoxoBruce • Oct 1, 2015 12:57 pm
Why do I get the feeling the TV stations and other weather prediction reporting services, have begun to comb the weather prediction services to see who can get on the air with the most outrageous predictions possible.

Ratings, baby, accuracy is for pussys, especially after having a summer of relatively calm. When I was in Illinois the talking heads were breaking the weatherman's balls all week, because the weather report every day was, "Same as yesterday".

Even around here this summer, if the temperature was going above 90, [klaxton] HEAT WAVE, PANIC, DANGER Will ROBINSON!!!! [/klaxton] Image
Lamplighter • Oct 1, 2015 1:29 pm
... because the weather report every day was, "Same as yesterday"


... all year long.

That's the reason I left Los Angeles
Undertoad • Oct 1, 2015 2:43 pm
Carolla on LA weather identical all the time especially on morning radio (first few mins)

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Gravdigr • Oct 1, 2015 5:44 pm
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Notice that says high temp for today...
Lamplighter • Oct 18, 2015 11:33 am
Tuesday, Oct 20, 2015 will be International Statistics Day all around the world.

What are the odds ?

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Griff • Oct 18, 2015 11:34 am
mmmm... snow on Whiteface!
glatt • Oct 18, 2015 8:05 pm
Went camping over the weekend. KP buckets left out overnight froze over. Good sleeping weather with just your nose sticking out of the mummy bag with the drawstring all pulled tight. Hard to get out of the sleeping bag to pee at 6 AM.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 18, 2015 10:27 pm
Snow in MA, flurries on the Cape, and wet stuff in Westfield. Damn.
BigV • Oct 19, 2015 11:28 pm
Still summer here, almost 70 degrees today.
Griff • Oct 20, 2015 7:15 am
Some asshole at the National Weather Service is forecasting a mild winter. He/she needs to shut his/her pie hole. :santa:
Griff • Oct 23, 2015 7:52 am
Its looking bad for Mexico.

http://www.weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/hurricane-patricia-mexico-coast
glatt • Oct 23, 2015 8:40 am
Sustained winds over 200 MPH! 60 MPH winds scare me. 200 MPH is simply crazy. That will pick parked cars up and throw them.

I just went over to the Florida building code for building hurricane proof buildings, and they have all these zone maps and equivalence charts for what 3 second wind gusts are equivalent to in sustain wind loads. All fairly confusing. But the highest winds they design for are 150 MPH. Florida, with its hardened buildings, wouldn't be able to withstand Patricia. Mexico is really going to have a bad time. Entire regions will be flattened. It will be like the path of a tornado, except instead of being 50 yards wide, it will be 50 miles wide.
Gravdigr • Oct 23, 2015 3:01 pm
Thank God most of the weed has already been taken in...
Griff • Oct 23, 2015 3:57 pm
You better hope the trucks have gone North already.

This is going to be the worst. It is the sort of thing that could topple a weak government...
orthodoc • Oct 23, 2015 5:11 pm
Pics in Puerto Vallarta from earlier in the day are not reassuring ... I hope the local emergency managers get absolutely everyone well out of the area. A few sandbags stacked here and there look sadly inadequate considering what's coming.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 24, 2015 2:58 am
Don't trust the Genie in the lamp, you ask for a blow job and he sends Patricia. Image
Gravdigr • Oct 24, 2015 1:40 pm
Patricia - Fastest dying hurricane evah.
tw • Oct 24, 2015 2:37 pm
Gravdigr;943107 wrote:
Patricia - Fastest dying hurricane evah.
She's just playing nice until she gets to TX.
Gravdigr • Dec 26, 2015 3:34 pm
It is 2:30pm, on December 26, 2015, and the temperature is 72°.

But that has nothing to do with this: How many Star Wars references does the weather bunny get in?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 26, 2015 4:46 pm
I keeps tellin' ya, bunnies be sneaky. :yesnod:
DanaC • Dec 26, 2015 5:50 pm
Half my borough is under water right now. The river Calder has burst its banks-so most of the towns along the river's path through the Calder valley are flooded. Sowerby, Hebden, Mytholmroyd,Todmorden-all the town centres are flooded and some are being evacuated. There's flooding across much of the North of England today a 200 year old pub in Manchester collapsed earlier - it was built over a bridge and the river Irwell took out the centre of the building.

I am fortunate in that I am at the top of a hill, and also about as far from the River Calder as it's possible to be whilst still being classed as part of Calderdale. That said, my bathroom has sprung a few more leaks. I have a basin on the window sill catching the stream coming through the top of the casement window and now there's a drip coming through the ceiling.

Rain, rain and more rain.
Griff • Dec 26, 2015 7:46 pm
That's rough Dana. Stay dry.
fargon • Dec 26, 2015 8:27 pm
What Griff said double.
sexobon • Dec 26, 2015 8:36 pm
But if you get wet, get wild and post pictures!
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 26, 2015 10:04 pm
That sucks. Is there a way for you and your Mum to get supplies by going in another direction, like over toward Bradford?

We've had rain more often than not the last two weeks but nothing like you're getting. I noticed walking across the yard it's like walking on the scum of a bowl of pudding. The ground is so saturated it jiggles.
DanaC • Dec 27, 2015 6:54 am
Oh,we're ok- as I say, we're pretty far from the Calder,and my village is at the top of a hill anyway. But the two Js are cut off. Their house is ok, because they're up the hill a way, from the town centre and river - but the town centre where they live is under several feet of water. There's certainly no way for them to leave Todmorden right now.

Mum's house did flood a few years ago, because her house is built into the side of the hill,and the heavy rainfall meant it ran off through the hill and into the back and up through the floor- but her landlords have had the back half of the house tanked, so we're crossing fingers it doesn't happen again.

Large parts of the country are under water. Lancashire,Yorkshire and Cumbria have all been hit hard, as have parts of Scotland. Some of the flooding started a couple of weeks ago when Storm Desmond hit. The flooding in Yorkshire and Lancashire mainly started on Boxing Day

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Lot of rivers and a lot of hills in Britain.
Carruthers • Dec 27, 2015 9:49 am
The video in the bottom right hand corner of DanaC's video can be seen here in greater detail.

I assume that the level of water inside the Land Rover must be about the same as that outside, so he wouldn't have had long to go before tragedy struck.

I'm sure that he'll be forever grateful that he chose the model with the sun roof.

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I've never had to deal with flooding, and the thought of it ruining your home is bad enough, but can you imagine what it must be like to find yourself in a life threatening situation due to rising water?
'Bloody terrifying' is the phrase that springs to mind.
sexobon • Dec 27, 2015 1:15 pm
Did Bristol Lake overflow so the fish could escape?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 27, 2015 1:44 pm
Go fish, make a run for it. Swim over to the killer's house and fin his ass.

Rover dude will be ready for a cuppa, he was right on the cusp of the high water and the fast water. Couple of feet either way can be the difference.
Carruthers • Dec 28, 2015 6:40 am
A bit more has emerged about the rescue from the Land Rover.

Trapped in surging flood waters and facing the prospect of imminent drowning, most drivers would welcome the appearance of the emergency services.

But one Yorkshire farmer refused to abandon his beloved Land Rover and fought off rescue teams as they attempted to pluck him to safety.

The elderly motorist had floated into Mytholmroyd in West Yorkshire in the heavy flood water from the River Calder.

However, rather than abandoning his vehicle, the driver remained put, with his windscreen wipers going, ignoring offers of help from passers-by, as the waters crept up the side of the vehicle.

When emergency services eventually arrived to pull him free, only a few inches of windscreen remained above the rising waters.

Rescuers had to use kayaks to reach him and struggled against the current of the surging flood water.

But when they eventually made it to the Land Rover and broke into his sun-roof, they were met with a torrent of abuse.

“He basically slagged off his rescuers for breaking his sunroof, which they had to yank off to free him,” said eyewitness Stuart Asquith, 51.


“One rescuer had even got hold of him to try and help him out and he shuck them off – he was stubborn “

The red Land Rover had floated backwards on Burnley Road, which runs parallel to the River Calder, into the centre of Mytholmroyd and nobody realised anybody was inside at first.

“I’m sure he was scared and shook up, but he was abrasive and did not want to leave his Land Rover,” said Mr Asquith.

“He was sat there for 10 to 15 minutes with the water getting higher and higher until the mountain rescue guys in the kayaks had no choice but to pull him out. His Land Rover was virtually submerged.

“He owes them his life, but he seems more concerned with his Land Rover. He told someone to go and get his keys after he was on dry land.”

The man was taken to safety on a dinghy and sent to a local hospital for a check-up.

His Land Rover was left parked in a muddy car park in Mytholmroyd. The sun roof was missing and a shepherds crook could be seen in the back, alongside animal feed bags.


People can do irrational things in moments of stress, but behaviour like that beggars belief.

Incidentally, the wheelie bin floating past at about the 4.00 mark gives a good indication of the speed of the flow.

Daily Telegraph.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 28, 2015 9:18 am
Yes, that wheelie bin was on the far side of the Rover where the water was really moving. The near side where men were standing in the water and paddling the inflatable around was much slower. In the first half minute there's a piece of thrash, possibly a newspaper, floating in the side street, and moving toward the camera. That means the main flow was still rising.
DanaC • Dec 28, 2015 9:59 am
So many people have lost so much. A lot of the properties were already uninsurable because of previous flood damage and now they're hit again. The new flood defences have failed. Even those with insurance face major losses. The businesses and shops in the town centres along the calder have been badly hit. Some will not come back from this.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/27/calderdale-flood-victims-survey-the-damage-i-cant-go-through-this-again

At 3pm on Saturday, the Calder was at 5.65m, the highest level recorded and more than 3.5m above its usual peak. In the Dusty Miller Inn, landlord Christian Pollitt and his family watched with horror from their first-floor flat. Up, up and up the river rose, until it was too late to escape.

The floodwater rushed into the pub until it was well over 6ft deep, almost as high as the fire exit signs. In a matter of minutes, a £50,000 kitchen was a floating junkyard, £20,000 of festive food contaminated with sewage-laden flood water. Pollitt, trapped upstairs with three children, eight other adults and a dog, rang for help. An hour and a half later, they were rescued.

&#8220;We were stranded. We had to climb out on to the roof and were picked up by lifeboat,&#8221; said Pollitt, still in a daze on Sunday as he surveyed the wreckage of the Dusty Miller and his other pub, a micro brewery called the Libertine, which opened only two weeks ago and now resembles a windowless, muddy squat.


That's some shitty bad fortune right there.

2000+ homes and 200 businesses in the Calder Valley have been badly affected.
Gravdigr • Jan 3, 2016 2:52 pm
DanaC;949827 wrote:
...A lot of the properties were already uninsurable because of previous flood damage...

...family watched with horror from their first-floor flat...until it was too late to escape...



That's some shitty bad fortune right there.



I feel for these folks, but, that's not bad fortune, that's bad decision making.
DanaC • Jan 3, 2016 3:09 pm
In reference to the previous flooding - there wasn't really much the residents could do about that. Do you think flood hit and therefore uninsurable properties sell well ? Those people are,forthe most part, pretty much stuck with what they have. Housing is very expensive in this country. We have a housing crisis at the moment. Both in terms of rocketing numbers of homeless families at the bottom end of the scale in the rented sector, and people unable to get on to the ladder for buying. The value of the houses and business premises in the flood hit towns in 2012 plummeted.

In terms of the businesses in the town centres - it would pretty much sound the death knell of every town in the Calder Valley if all the independent businesses upped sticks and left because of floods. Not to mention these are communities - people living and working, often in the same towns they were born in. Something like half the town centre was under water in Hebden and in Tod.

What needs to happen is some kind of state insurance fund for major flooding.It is not acceptable that large chunks of these towns are going to end up nonviable for business because the insurance companies had to pay out on flood insurance a couple of times in a decade.

Likewise,it would be reallyfucking great if central government would refrain from cutting the budgets for flood defence strategies in the north. That'd be champion.


As to the family who watched til it was too late to escape - in that particular case the waters rose in minutes. It was very fast.
tw • Jan 13, 2016 9:53 am
DanaC;950420 wrote:
Likewise,it would be reallyfucking great if central government would refrain from cutting the budgets for flood defence strategies in the north.

Is structure construction required to also install flood retention basins?
glatt • Jan 19, 2016 10:51 pm
I just saw the latest update on the weather forecast. The models are calling for up to three feet of snow here starting on Friday. We didn't have enough food for that. You need a week's worth of food if that happens here. So we just got back from a late night trip to the store. It was crowded but not as crowded as it will be tomorrow night.
Undertoad • Jan 19, 2016 11:26 pm
Notify next of kin.

Stock the booze cabinets.

Place all Amazon Prime orders of flashlights, batteries, and tuna fish cans by tomorrow, to ensure delivery.

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xoxoxoBruce • Jan 19, 2016 11:36 pm
I'm disappointed, when I bought my current snowblower with a three warranty, we didn't get enough snow to bother for three years. I just paid almost half as much to have it completely refurbished and really hoped to get at least one easy winter. But the forecast says 8 to 12 Friday and 11 to 17 Saturday, with light snow Sunday. Crap. :(
Griff • Jan 20, 2016 7:12 am
We are willing to take your snow, make an offer. Seriously we are sitting between the lake effect running North and the coastal running SE.
fargon • Jan 20, 2016 7:34 am
And once again all we get is cold, you guyz on the east coast get all of our snow.
Undertoad • Jan 20, 2016 8:00 am
They go back and forth: some of this morning's models have us only getting a foot of snow. One of them says only 9 inches!
glatt • Jan 20, 2016 8:41 am
Our snow removal here isn't all that great. These big storms are so rare that it's economically foolish to buy and maintain all that equipment to prepare for them. This is both on the government level and also on the homeowner level. I don't own a snow blower. If it snowed every year, then I would splurge for one. The county has snow plows, but not enough for a 3 foot storm. There are 1,000 miles of roads to plow in this little county. Where do you even put 3 feet of snow you remove from the roads? The answer for some of it is you haul it to school parking lots and pile it up where you melt it in a snow melter.

If we get three feet of snow, the main roads will be cleared but the residential streets will be impassible for about a week. We have a grocery store a block away, which is fantastic, but it's a smaller store that very few people normally use for much more than running to get a gallon of milk. It isn't large enough to serve as the main store for all the houses in walking distance. Its shelves will be bare except for that one lonely dust covered jar of gefilte fish. The resupply trucks will have trouble restocking the store.

All this is to say that snow is fun, but 3 feet is worrysome.

Growing up in Maine, 3 feet was awesome! You had a one day snow day and then the roads were clear and you had all these huge snow piles to burrow in and make forts.

Cross your fingers for 15 inches.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 20, 2016 9:17 am
I'd be happy with 8 inches.... oh, you mean snow.
glatt, for years and years I used a cheap little 20" wide 2-cycle blower, I could pick up with one hand. I cleared a lot of 2 ft storms with that thing. It does an awesome job, just takes a little longer, but sure beats shoveling. The only thing it wouldn't do is by my mailbox.
The county has a set plow pattern they've used the 35 years I've been here. First the plow goes down the middle of the road rolling it toward my mail box. On the way back they push the far side back which is only a few feet, then the third pass the push every thing else toward my mailbox leaving a wall 3 to 5 ft high. It's a ways wet and packed so it freezes solid.
lumberjim • Jan 20, 2016 9:38 am
Today's agenda is highlighted by me putting air in the snow blower tires and starting it to make sure it's ready to go. Also a booze run, and maybe some food. I love big storms. Once.
Clodfobble • Jan 20, 2016 11:29 am
This is the weekend we're flying to New York to see Hamilton.

God help everyone if something goes wrong with this trip. I don't care if we're trapped inside the hotel from the moment the plane lands, I don't care if the flight home is cancelled and we stay in the airport for three days trying to get back... as long as we get to the theater on Sunday.
Undertoad • Jan 20, 2016 12:11 pm
When is your flight scheduled to land, Friday or Saturday?
Happy Monkey • Jan 20, 2016 1:00 pm
Luckily, I have Friday off. 3 feet is unheard of in DC. Maybe once when I was a kid; or maybe it just seemed 3 feet high because I was a kid.
Happy Monkey • Jan 20, 2016 1:21 pm
Apparently 2006/7 had a similar pattern to 2015/6. Minus the 3 feet.
Beestie • Jan 20, 2016 5:48 pm
Happy Monkey;951740 wrote:
Luckily, I have Friday off. 3 feet is unheard of in DC.
I think that will still be the case next week. I doubt we crack 24 inches - my guess is 18 inches.
Clodfobble • Jan 20, 2016 6:47 pm
Undertoad wrote:
When is your flight scheduled to land, Friday or Saturday?


10:30ish Saturday morning.
Undertoad • Jan 20, 2016 7:37 pm
This local forecast, using the latest models as of right now, says the heavy parts won't be reaching the NYC area by then. You'l land in an inch or two of snow if they are right, and then by Sunday morning there will be 6-10". So they say. It will probably be wrong because the north side cutoff of this storm is very tight.

http://pix11.com/2016/01/20/winter-storm-watch-in-nj-as-possible-noreaster-churns-toward-tri-state-area/

(it's all about me dep't: we'll be making the same trip in a month - J's daughter got her an NYC trip for Christmas, tix to The Book of Mormon)
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 20, 2016 7:47 pm
Damn, that's going to be a tough one for the headline typesetters, "The Clodfobble Storm of '16". :haha:
Clodfobble • Jan 20, 2016 8:25 pm
Undertoad wrote:
J's daughter got her an NYC trip for Christmas, tix to The Book of Mormon)


Nice! Do you know the story/soundtrack at all, or are you going in blind?
Undertoad • Jan 20, 2016 8:33 pm
I know the basic idea but probably not much more than a Playbill summary. And I already know one of the songs, I think someone might have linked it here.
Griff • Jan 20, 2016 9:08 pm
We saw it in Buffalo for Lil' G's Bday maybe three years ago. Great show. And now she goes to Hamilton so this is actually all about me.
DanaC • Jan 21, 2016 5:22 am
tw;951234 wrote:
Is structure construction required to also install flood retention basins?


I don't know exactly what is required. As I understand it, what is needed at the moment isa more joined up approach. Much of the flood defense strategies have been very localised, when what is needed is a more regional response.

There is some construction involved, I believe, but not sure what that is.

In the wake ofthe last really bad floods a few years ago, there was a move to get something better in place - some of that work was done, but some of it was still being worked out - a potential plan of action was drawn up and costed, but central government reduced the budget fairly recently, despite warnings from the floods agency that the number of properties affected by flooding was likely to rise drastically compared to previous years.

My friends' house in Tod had a couple of feet of water in their cellar and further down the street a houses had water up into the ground floor - that's the first time, apparently, in 20 years that the street has flooded.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 21, 2016 6:01 am
That's the problem when they terminate(cut funding) of a project before it's finished, either what has been completed makes things worse or collapses without the reinforcement of the rest.:mad2:
Happy Monkey • Jan 21, 2016 9:15 am
An inch of snow on untreated roads last night. It took me 3 hours to get home. And I had some scary moments. Sometimes it's not great to live at the highest point in DC.
Clodfobble • Jan 21, 2016 9:29 am
Undertoad;951791 wrote:
I know the basic idea but probably not much more than a Playbill summary. And I already know one of the songs, I think someone might have linked it here.


That was prolly me. :) I'm excited for you, you'll absolutely love it.

In weather news, I'm sitting in the parking lot of an Academy waiting for them to open so I can buy a set of long underwear, and proper gloves, and scarves (of which we own zero) for everyone.
glatt • Jan 21, 2016 9:44 am
That inch of snow caught everyone by surprise and they didn't treat the roads at all.

I had a 7:30pm meeting that was fortunately cancelled, and I just sat at home on my couch watching all the stories coming in on social media and watching the cars failing to make the corner on my street and then once they got straightened out again struggling to make it up the gentle slope (not even a hill) in front of my house.

Check out the time stamps on these two screen shots I took last night. This is way past rush hour.
Look at all the accidents at around 8PM!

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And the traffic jams still going on long after the snow had stopped.
This was 10:13PM!
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Happy Monkey • Jan 21, 2016 11:39 am
I left work at 9pm, and got home at midnight.

There were probably several accidents I avoided just because the car in front of me couldn't stop either.

My first choice route to get to my home had a stuck bus at the top of the hill. I backed down (briefly getting stuck within 2 feet of a stopped car, worried that if I let off the brakes, I'd hit them no matter which way the wheels were turning), and tried a couple of other approaches. Each time, it was too slick. Once I slid back down to the bottom of the hill sideways, after losing grip during a U-turn. Once I lightly hit the median curb. Finally, I drove back out of the city, and came in on a different road.

When back in my neighborhood, I parked as far downhill as was available.
tw • Jan 21, 2016 7:40 pm
DanaC;951811 wrote:
I don't know exactly what is required. As I understand it, what is needed at the moment isa more joined up approach. Much of the flood defense strategies have been very localised, when what is needed is a more regional response.


Mistake is to build more leeves. For example, to protect a flood plain of east St Louis, they kept upgrading that leeve. It is now 50 feet (15 meters) high. That was not a solution. River between St Louis and Illinois is only a mile wide. So it backs up. Under Clinton (when FEMA was managed by professionals), towns such as Gafton Il were moved to higher ground. To create more flood plains. If a town floods, either levees downstream must be removed. Or that land must become a floodplain.

Best on floodplains are stadiums, parking lots, parks, swamps, and forests, and corn fields. Flooded homes means nobody should have been living there.

Of course, once Brownie took over FEMA (remember New Orleans and Katrina), then cost controls replaced productive actions.

Same is what responsible reporters would be asking in the Midlands. Upstream construction without retention basins means larger flood plains must be constructed downstream - not more leeves. But that means making decisions based upon the product - not in short term finance thinking as taught in business schools.

Question to be asked in the Midlands. Was that flooding due to business school graduates and a love of higher leeves? Or was it an exception; something that will not happen again in 100 years? Remember, new construction upstream means more water requiring larger flood plains downstream. Are retention basins routinely installed on up to 10% of each lot used in new construction? If not, then that is the serious problem - not the resulting flooding.
lumberjim • Jan 21, 2016 11:59 pm
That sounds like no fun at all, HM. I remember doing a slow motion 360 down a hill in my jeep Cherokee. 4x4 was on, but it was light snow on top of icy crust from a melt, refreeze . It's like a dream memory. Silent.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 22, 2016 10:07 am
Philly airport is shutting down all day tomorrow(Saturday 1-23).
glatt • Jan 22, 2016 10:47 am
DC too.

Fingers crossed for you, Clodfobble.
Undertoad • Jan 22, 2016 12:31 pm
One of the models carries the 2-3 feet of snow into NYC... the other cuts it off sharply and they only get like 8"

One of the models moved the 3-4 feet from NoVa into Central PA.

Very interesting to see how it plays out...!
Happy Monkey • Jan 22, 2016 1:15 pm
It has begun in DC.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 22, 2016 1:29 pm
Keep as much there as you can, please. :D
Griff • Jan 22, 2016 4:16 pm
Shush! Send her North!
busterb • Jan 22, 2016 5:12 pm
I guess I'm a whimp. High here today was about 34. I went out to feed the dog and the wind cut thou my jeans & sweatpants. Low tonight about 29 tomorrow nite 21.
Someone told me it had snowed a few times today. Cold in deep in dixie.
fargon • Jan 22, 2016 5:26 pm
Today's high 25F.
Gravdigr • Jan 22, 2016 6:07 pm
High today 30, currently 24.

With ten inches of snow. On top of ¼-½ inch of ice.
Clodfobble • Jan 22, 2016 9:46 pm
glatt wrote:
Fingers crossed for you, Clodfobble.


OMG OMG OMG.

Flight cancelled. But the next one, later in the day, still isn't cancelled? So maybe it's not because of weather, or only indirectly because people are dropping travel plans in general so they didn't have enough to fill the flight anymore?

The point is, we're on the later flight now, and the guy at the reservation desk couldn't give me any kind of information about why the first flight was cancelled, only that the second one was still good, even though the storm is supposed to hit later, not earlier.

Everyone think warm, melty thoughts toward JFK airport, please. I don't know if I'm going to be able to sleep tonight...
glatt • Jan 22, 2016 9:59 pm
Shit. Sorry. It might still work out.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 22, 2016 10:56 pm
No sense losing sleep over shit you have no control over. You can't even drop everything and drive at this point. I wouldn't hire a private plane, either, it didn't work out for Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and the Big Bopper. Besides, if you do get there, you're so wound up you'd probably pee yourself. :lol:
richlevy • Jan 23, 2016 4:23 am
The new generator was installed a few weeks ago and a remote controller was installed last week. I had to run out last night for two bags of sand because I found out that the air intake does not handle snow well and wanted to prop sometimes against the enclosure to keep off any drifts. The air intake faces east and the winds will be coming from N and NE. Fortunately, our row of houses is 5 feet North of the generator and will provide a windbreak. When it gets light I will go out and clear off the snow.

We have not experienced a power failure yet but with gusts up to 50mph, it's a real possibility.
limey • Jan 23, 2016 4:56 am
Gusts up to 50? Pshaw! We don't get excited about any gusts under 60 ...

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glatt • Jan 23, 2016 6:00 am
So far here it is cold enough that the snow is a dry snow and there is enough wind that no snow is settling on tree limbs or wires. It's the heavily laden branches in the wind that cause outages. We should be ok. Even with the wind.
glatt • Jan 23, 2016 8:26 am
out the basement door. We're about halfway through this thing. Maybe a foot so far? Lots of drifting, so it's hard to gauge.
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Sundae • Jan 23, 2016 8:29 am
Wow.
Been following this on the internet - it's quite remarkable.

The BBC website had some interesting advice:
Some tips on surviving a snowstorm:
1.Make sure you have at least three gallons of drinking water per person, per day
2.Tape the windows with bubble wrap to keep the heat in
3.Use your dog to measure the snowfall

?!
I assume if you don't have a dog you could use a child?
richlevy • Jan 23, 2016 8:36 am
limey;951971 wrote:
Gusts up to 50? Pshaw! We don't get excited about any gusts under 60 ...

Sent by thought transference

Yes but you're probably thinking in KPH:right:. KPH is to speed what the peso is to money. It sounds like a lot until you figure out what you need to buy a loaf of bread.

It's time to go back to your roots and use Imperial measurements.

Foot = king's foot
League = average distance to nearest soccer stadium
Griff • Jan 23, 2016 8:45 am
richlevy;951979 wrote:

League = average distance to nearest soccer stadium


:)
Griff • Jan 23, 2016 8:46 am
glatt;951977 wrote:
out the basement door. We're about halfway through this thing. Maybe a foot so far? Lots of drifting, so it's hard to gauge.
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So Jelly.
richlevy • Jan 23, 2016 9:42 am
Sundae;951978 wrote:

3.Use your dog to measure the snowfall

?!
I assume if you don't have a dog you could use a child?
Yelp = Height of snow to reach dog's testicles.

It's funny that we were both posting about measurements at the same time.
Undertoad • Jan 23, 2016 9:54 am
Thundersnow from the space station

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Carruthers • Jan 23, 2016 10:41 am
richlevy;951989 wrote:
Yelp = Height of snow to reach dog's testicles.


Surely there must be a benchmark breed.

Dachshund or Great Dane?
limey • Jan 23, 2016 10:54 am
richlevy;951979 wrote:
Yes but you're probably thinking in KPH:right:. KPH is to speed what the peso is to money. It sounds like a lot until you figure out what you need to buy a loaf of bread.

It's time to go back to your roots and use Imperial measurements.

Foot = king's foot
League = average distance to nearest soccer stadium



Nope. In Blighty we measure small things in cm and metres (note spelling!) but bigger things in miles so I was thinking Mph, definitely. I think it is because we didn't want to go the all the public expense of changing all of the road signs ...
Anyhow, WB Rich! Long time no see (maybe I've been hanging out in the wrong fora?).


Sent by thought transference
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 23, 2016 11:21 am
Sundae;951978 wrote:
Wow.
Been following this on the internet - it's quite remarkable.

The BBC website had some interesting advice:
Some tips on surviving a snowstorm:
1.Make sure you have at least three gallons of [strike]drinking water[/strike] [COLOR="Magenta"]Beer[/COLOR] per person, per day
2.Tape the windows with bubble wrap to keep the heat in
3.Use your dog to measure the snowfall

?!
I assume if you don't have a dog you could use a child?

More better.

Griff;951981 wrote:
So Jelly.

The center path of the storm has shifted farther north than expected, 30 inches for the Lehigh Valley, so don't give up yet.
glatt • Jan 23, 2016 12:20 pm
Undertoad;951991 wrote:
Thundersnow from the space station


Very cool! It almost looks 3D.
Griff • Jan 23, 2016 12:48 pm
xoxoxoBruce;951995 wrote:

The center path of the storm has shifted farther north than expected, 30 inches for the Lehigh Valley, so don't give up yet.


It still isn't projected to hit the Northern Tier. *sigh*
Gravdigr • Jan 23, 2016 1:57 pm
Our snow started off with rain turning to freezing rain, then to snow.

We got very lucky that the snow was very dry. I guess the rain sucked all the moisture out of the storm in our neck o' the woods?
glatt • Jan 23, 2016 2:05 pm
Clodfobble;951963 wrote:
OMG OMG OMG.


So my daughter just came in and asked me how my friend in Texas was doing with going to see Hamilton, because she heard that all Broadway shows today are cancelled.

You ok, Clodfobble?
Griff • Jan 23, 2016 2:18 pm
:sniff:
Clodfobble • Jan 23, 2016 2:23 pm
Shows still might go on tomorrow, which is when our tickets are. But our plane (the second one) got cancelled just a little while ago. There is another crack-of-dawn flight tomorrow, which would get us there in time, assuming it isn't cancelled, and assuming the show isn't cancelled... but it's currently full, and JetBlue doesn't do standby. You just have to keep calling back and having a representative check if any seats have opened up on the flight.

The good news is, we get all our money back from the hotel and the airline. If the show goes on, we can in theory resell our tickets on StubHub (and frankly even make a profit.) If the show is cancelled, the theater refunds our ticket price, but of course that's less than we paid StubHub for the tickets in the first place.

:sniff:
Clodfobble • Jan 23, 2016 2:25 pm
Honestly I hope the show is cancelled, because then we know there's no way it would have worked. Better than it happening, and we just couldn't get there.
lumberjim • Jan 23, 2016 2:40 pm
That sucks ass
glatt • Jan 23, 2016 2:55 pm
I'm sorry.
Happy Monkey • Jan 23, 2016 3:37 pm
Just spent an hour digging my car out, just so it wouldn't take three hours when I actually have to dig it out.

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Flickr autotagged the first picture with "snow snowbank" and the second with "vehicle car", so I think I was successful.
Undertoad • Jan 23, 2016 4:37 pm
The nice thing about this light blizzard condition is how it obscures the Hampton Inn sign and traffic lights that would normally be in the background.

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glatt • Jan 23, 2016 5:02 pm
And snow looks so clean!
Happy Monkey • Jan 24, 2016 2:59 pm
Well, it took almost 2 hours for round two of digging, so my quest to avoid three total hours failed.

But I'm glad I did it across two days.
glatt • Jan 24, 2016 3:04 pm
It's great that the sun is shining though. The melting helps that last bit that you miss while shoveling.
lumberjim • Jan 24, 2016 6:44 pm
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9am
lumberjim • Jan 24, 2016 6:44 pm
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Noon
lumberjim • Jan 24, 2016 6:46 pm
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fargon • Jan 24, 2016 7:48 pm
Here you go.
Pamela • Jan 24, 2016 8:34 pm
LJ, you left your lights on :)

Seeing all the pictures makes me almost happy that I am in LA, with my windows open, at 62 degrees. NEENER!

Y'all have fun shovelling now, y'hear?
lumberjim • Jan 24, 2016 8:47 pm
Reee moat start. I parked strategically there. Backed up to the garage. First, I cleaned the snow off the jeep, then pulled forward enough to get the snow blower out... Cleared the snow where the jeep had been, then pulled back and attacked the driveway proper.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 24, 2016 9:35 pm
Made two passes up the driveway and a path to the front door before the snowblower quit. I've got supplies, and my first appointment is February 24th, so I left a message with the shop that I paid $350 to make it all nice-nice 3 months ago and told them to come get it. :(
Griff • Jan 25, 2016 7:22 am
ggrrrr...
glatt • Jan 25, 2016 12:44 pm
As I gaze out my window at our still unplowed street, it occurs to me that Arlington Virginia needs more plows and drivers at times like these. But it's such a rare event, it would be silly to always have those plows on hand, sitting idle.

What if there was an Uber for plows? There are surely lots of plows in, I don't know, Pittsburgh, for example, sitting idle right now. They have wheels. Why don't they drive here and plow my street? Why doesn't some company form an Uber-like service for plows, and the various local municipalities subscribe to that service so they can pay a little extra for temporary extra plow capacity?

During power outages, you hear of linemen coming in from out of state to help out. Those are private companies though.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 25, 2016 1:44 pm
A little extra? Image
There is nothing little about snow removal, not the equipment, the time frame, nor the costs. Do they use garbage trucks down there?
glatt • Jan 25, 2016 2:50 pm
A little extra compared to what they are already paying, and compared to what it would cost to buy a bunch of new equipment to handle this kind of storm.

If such a service existed, they could even cut back on the equipment they keep on hand.
glatt • Jan 25, 2016 3:40 pm
They had already called school off for today and tomorrow, and now they have called it for Wednesday as well.

They are using at least one of the school's parking lots for piling the snow up. There are huge mountains of snow piled up blocking everything at that school. Supposedly, they are bringing the snow melter in soon.
Undertoad • Jan 25, 2016 4:00 pm
All parts of my body are in pain.
fargon • Jan 25, 2016 4:31 pm
Undertoad;952166 wrote:
All parts of my body are in pain.


What did you do?
Undertoad • Jan 25, 2016 4:33 pm
We got 26", I shoveled it. Three hours.

mostly the calves and shoulders hurt
Carruthers • Jan 25, 2016 4:34 pm
limey;951971 wrote:
Gusts up to 50? Pshaw! We don't get excited about any gusts under 60 ...


richlevy;951979 wrote:
Yes but you're probably thinking in KPH:right:. KPH is to speed what the peso is to money. It sounds like a lot until you figure out what you need to buy a loaf of bread.

It's time to go back to your roots and use Imperial measurements.

Foot = king's foot
League = average distance to nearest soccer stadium


limey;951994 wrote:
Nope. In Blighty we measure small things in cm and metres (note spelling!) but bigger things in miles so I was thinking Mph, definitely.
I think it is because we didn't want to go the all the public expense of changing all of the road signs ...



Having learnt both Imperial and Metric systems at school, I suppose that I should be able to move from one to the other without problems.
Unfortunately, I don't. I always estimate distances/dimensions in Imperial terms.
If I need say, a piece of 2" x 2" deal about 2' 6" long, I will go down to the shed and, with a bit of luck, emerge with something the right size having eye balled it.
If I was expected to look for a piece of 50mm x 50mm timber 76cm long I wouldn't know where to start.
OK, I could use the other side of a tape measure but I don't hold with all these high tech gizmos. ;)


Anyway, it was pleasing to read this letter in this morning's Daily Telegraph.


Foot marks in snow

SIR &#8211; What a pleasure it has been over the past two or three days to hear US citizens describing the snowfall in feet and inches.

Much appreciated by us dinosaurs still roaming about.

John England
Stroud, Gloucestershire
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 25, 2016 9:34 pm
That's my problem with metric, Carruthers, I learned the numbers and conversions but still continued to think in Imperial, then had to convert. That's a pain in the ass so as soon as I didn't have to, I didn't and now I've lost all that stuff to rust.;)
monster • Jan 25, 2016 10:10 pm
It was weird as all shit to grow up with both -old-fashioned imperial at home and in the shops, metric at school, to finally change to all metric ....then move here (a country I always considered "modern") and back to Imperial. Which they call English. :rolleyes: :lol:
BigV • Jan 25, 2016 10:22 pm
Here's Twil's driveway from a couple winter's ago. Shovel that? Shove this!

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xoxoxoBruce • Jan 25, 2016 11:32 pm
Well, there's 2 kinds of countries in the world. Those that use metric and those who have been to the moon. At least we don't use B.S.Whitworth.
Happy Monkey • Jan 26, 2016 11:11 am
I don't think Liberia or Myanmar have been to the Moon...
lumberjim • Jan 27, 2016 12:08 am
Neither has your face
busterb • Jan 27, 2016 1:59 pm
When things get bad, smile.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 28, 2016 12:13 am
This is how it used to was.
glatt • Jan 28, 2016 12:01 pm
School was just called off for tomorrow (Friday.) And Monday is a scheduled day off for teacher planning or some such. So it's going to have been 12 days off from school by the time this is all said and done.

Almost as much as Christmas vacation.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 28, 2016 12:34 pm
WaPo has a lot of pictures of the DC area.
be-bop • Jan 29, 2016 4:49 am
When did they start naming storms in the UK?
and who is responsible for naming them I wonder, well any way here I sit at home watching the trees opposite my house seriously blowing in the wind.
The wind speeds are supposed to be between 60 - 70 MPH where I am but further north near Inverness to Aberdeen the winds are nearer 90 MPH Ferries, railways seem to be shut down and driving is very dodgy, my wife had to work this morning and she txt'd a few photo's of downed trees.
So what's the name of the storm called
"Gertrude" FFS.....
glatt • Jan 29, 2016 9:01 am
That's real wind.
Sundae • Jan 29, 2016 9:47 am
The weather we get here is small beer compared to most places on the Cellar.
Apart from the fact that it rains near every day (and probably even BigV could beat me on that).

But when I went to feed the waterfowl & pigeons in the park today, I was forced to sit down. I've no idea what the official wind-speeds were, only that the River Wharfe was running high and angry, and I've sworn off suicide for 2016. If I'd had a dog or a small child with me, I'd have taken the long way round, the gusts were that unsettling.
be-bop • Jan 29, 2016 10:58 am
Heard on the radio that gusts of wind were reported in Shetland
of 120 mph. Now that's wind
Gravdigr • Jan 30, 2016 3:01 pm
Sunny today. Supposed to make 67 degrees.

Just checked the thermometer. It's 68.

:jig:
fargon • Jan 30, 2016 3:14 pm
It's 41F.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 30, 2016 3:50 pm
I've got 39.8 in the sun, but I'm not sure I believe it. :eyebrow:
monster • Jan 31, 2016 10:48 am
yucky and wet. with continued yucky and wet all day it would seem. yuck.
Gravdigr • Jan 31, 2016 12:02 pm
Our low last night was 52 degrees.:)

Currently, 64, with a pretty good wind. 24 mph from the south, gusting to 33 mph, with a peak of 42 mph since midnight.

Iz teh breezeh.
monster • Jan 31, 2016 10:25 pm
yeah it was warm. hence the wet instead of snow. at did yucky and wet all day. reminded me of Manchester
Happy Monkey • Feb 1, 2016 12:34 pm
No coat today.
orthodoc • Feb 3, 2016 12:36 am
Crazy warm here, and rain to come tonight. Only two weeks ago we had blizzard conditions. Now flies are hatching and the parsley and cilantro are coming up.
Griff • Feb 3, 2016 6:57 am
too much rain...
glatt • Feb 3, 2016 8:55 am
Got a "Klondike Derby" scout event this weekend. It's gonna be super muddy. We put wheels on the sled, but I think they might sink to their axles. They only have about 5 inches of clearance. Our budget didn't allow bigger wheels.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 4, 2016 1:15 am
Have you ever wondered what other places on Earth have a climate, similar to your home town? Now you can find out. You will be surprised to discover that there are cities thousands miles apart, yet with almost identical average monthly temperatures.
Codeminders have crunched recently published meteorological data, accumulated over a period of more than 100 years from 4000+ weather stations around the world and built this page.

Start by clicking on red marker on the map on the right corresponding to weather station closest to your home city.


It's a typical Google map you can zoom and push around.
Here's a couple examples...
Gravdigr • Mar 4, 2016 4:38 pm
I want 75 degrees and low humidity year 'round.
Carruthers • Mar 28, 2016 5:11 am
Storm Katie came steaming up the SW Approaches and into the English Channel last night.
Hampshire, Sussex, Surrey and Kent, took a battering with a gust of 105mph being recorded on the Isle of Wight, and just a few miles south of London 62mph winds were logged.
We have a conifer at the bottom of the back garden which grew from a Christmas tree planted by previous occupiers in the 1960s, and is now well over 50ft tall.
I understand that they have a lifespan of about forty years so it's living on borrowed time. In high winds I just look the other way.
On the other hand, if it flexes with the wind, there might not be too much to worry about.
Just before 0800 we had fairly heavy snow for about twenty minutes but it didn't settle.
I took the visiting Labradog out shortly after and it was bitingly cold. (The weather, not the dog)
Nothing that a hot shower and a mug of tea couldn't put right.
I suppose this sort of weather was on the cards given that we switched to British Summer Time yesterday. ;)
Oh, well...
Gravdigr • Mar 28, 2016 9:40 am
Carruthers;956338 wrote:
In high winds I just look the other way.
On the other hand, if it flexes with the wind, there might not be too much to worry about.


&#9834; &#9835;There's a tree out in the backyard&#9834; &#9835;
&#9834; &#9835;That never has been broken by the wind&#9834; &#9835;
&#9834; &#9835;And the reason it's still standing&#9834; &#9835;
&#9834; &#9835;It was strong enough to bend&#9834; &#9835;
Carruthers • Mar 28, 2016 11:34 am
Thanks, Mr G.:thumb:

The tempest has abated and the tree survives to worry me another day. :)
Undertoad • Mar 28, 2016 11:48 am
We were rooting for it.
Griff • Mar 28, 2016 9:03 pm
Leave it be Toad.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 9, 2016 12:48 pm
It's still snowing, but feebly. I guess it's time to put Rosebud away.
Gravdigr • Jul 20, 2016 3:54 pm
Helicopter reporter Jerry Ferguson took these pics of a microburst over Phoenix, Arizona Monday night:

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And there's video:

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The video is better embiggened.

Awesome, awesome pics and video.

A little bit more info here.
glatt • Jul 20, 2016 4:07 pm
The Eath's immune system is working to eliminate us.
footfootfoot • Jul 21, 2016 9:57 am
glatt;965005 wrote:
The Eath's immune system is working to eliminate us.


Not to mention our political system.
glatt • Jul 28, 2016 2:41 pm
Dew Point

The dew point is the temperature at which the moisture in the air will condense onto a surface at that particular time. People talk about "humidity" when they are trying to describe how muggy or sticky it feels out. Dew point is a much better measure of that sensation than "relative humidity" is. The drier the air, the cooler it has to be to form dew. So a low dew point will be drier than a high dew point.

I found this easy to understand chart on the internet. It's probably subjective, but here you go.

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Right now in DC, the Dew Point is 76. "Miserable." I think that's a scientific term.

To contrast with that, my parents' town in lovely Maine has a Dew Point of 50 right now.

There's lots of information out there to describe Dew Point better than I just have, but here are a couple of links to get you started.
bbro • Jul 28, 2016 2:47 pm
We've had a dew point in the mid to upper 70s for almost a week now. The heat index has been over 100 in that same time. Today, it is forecasted that the heat index will be 105-115 degrees. Humidity in the 70-90 percent. Highs in the loweer to mid 90s. We are sweating constantly here!!
Clodfobble • Jul 28, 2016 2:59 pm
Austin's dew point averages above 70 every day from June through August. :thumbsup: Houston's worse, though. Not just dew point, I mean--by every metric.
glatt • Jul 28, 2016 3:08 pm
Gotta love the South.
Gravdigr • Jul 28, 2016 3:41 pm
Our high today is supposed to be 80.

:D
bbro • Jul 28, 2016 4:12 pm
glatt;965433 wrote:
Gotta love the South.


It makes me feel better when I see I am not the only one sweating :)
footfootfoot • Jul 28, 2016 5:26 pm
glatt;965429 wrote:
Dew Point


Right now in DC, the Dew Point is 76. "Miserable." I think that's a scientific term.

To contrast with that, my parents' town in lovely Maine has a Dew Point of 50 right now.



Yeah, but no-seeums and black flies.

Yesterday was stultifying. That should be a scientific term.
Griff • Jul 29, 2016 7:44 am
glatt;965005 wrote:
The Eath's immune system is working to eliminate us.


footfootfoot;965041 wrote:
Not to mention our political system.


word



F'in hot out
elSicomoro • Jul 29, 2016 10:38 am
It is an unusually pleasant 72 here in Kansas City this morning...only going up to 83.
BigV • Jul 30, 2016 2:45 pm
spent last weekend in Ridgecrest, California.

I was a little alarmed when the crawl on the Weather Channel indicated that the predicted high for the day would be 113 degrees. I LOL'ed when they helpfully added that the chance of rain was 0%.

The heat index is unknown, and the dew point might have been 78 or better, but it was irrelevant. I don't remember ever being sweaty, and we were outside plenty. The transition from the air conditioned car (on max cool, high fan, always) to the outside was like when you open the oven door and lean down into the onrushing shockwave of heat as you take the pizza out. It was just a physical blast of meanness. Gah.
Gravdigr • Jul 31, 2016 2:09 pm
BigV;965575 wrote:
a physical blast of meanness.


Goldurn, you use your tongue purtier than a $20 whore.
Griff • Jul 31, 2016 3:33 pm
We're finally getting rain here. Biking in it this am was a treat.
Gravdigr • Aug 18, 2016 12:58 pm
Fuck. Ing. Mon. Soon.

Glubbublubbglubb.
BigV • Aug 20, 2016 1:03 pm
record high for the day yesterday, 95 degrees, eclipsing the old record by 6 degrees, and second highest nighttime temp, never got below 69 degrees.

Gah.
elSicomoro • Aug 20, 2016 1:32 pm
Currently a pleasant 68 here in Kansas City...only going up to 76 today. We had big storms run through here last night.
elSicomoro • Aug 20, 2016 1:35 pm
glatt;965429 wrote:
To contrast with that, my parents' town in lovely Maine has a Dew Point of 50 right now.


My parents used to have friends that lived just across the river from Portsmouth, NH in Kittery, ME. I met them up there one fall and we had a great time. Beautiful scenery.
lumberjim • Sep 30, 2016 6:15 pm
Hurricane Matthew looks like Johnny #5
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tw • Sep 30, 2016 7:26 pm
lumberjim;970174 wrote:
Hurricane Matthew looks like Johnny #5

Mathew, in biblical tradition, will wipe another evil extremist creation from the face of the earth - in Gitmo. Even Obama could not destroy that evil extremist prision.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 30, 2016 7:34 pm
My buddy in Bethany Beach Delaware was trapped in his house until late this afternoon.
monster • Sep 30, 2016 7:50 pm
There is nothing current about the weather here. It's been the same for the past days..... constant rain
sexobon • Oct 1, 2016 8:30 pm
Lightning would be current ...

:bolt:
monster • Oct 1, 2016 8:36 pm
then it's very current right now. rain stopped for a tiny bit for the Michigan Football game, then cam eback and brought it's dad......
classicman • Oct 2, 2016 1:35 pm
xoxoxoBruce;970179 wrote:
My buddy in Bethany Beach Delaware was trapped in his house until late this afternoon.


ORLY? Seemed as though we lucked out. Wasn't as bad as Rehoboth and Dewey. Year round neighbor called to report minor flooding - which almost always happens when you are only 1-5 ' above sea level. Nothing really that unusual.
Where in Bethany is your friend? I'm curious if he/she is more inland than our place.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 2, 2016 1:50 pm
He's on the bay, it didn't come in the house but the roads out were covered.
classicman • Oct 2, 2016 1:58 pm
Gotcha... Storm seemed to stay more inland. Hope he didn't suffer too much damage - if any. Saw some awful pics from Dewey.

Here is a cool link from a storm back in the 60's.
elSicomoro • Oct 8, 2016 11:48 pm
monster;970180 wrote:
There is nothing current about the weather here. It's been the same for the past days..... constant rain


We damn near needed boats last week. This week was really nice...love this time of year.
glatt • Oct 11, 2016 10:15 am
Matthew rainfall totals.

I can't even imagine 20 inches of rain. It landed most heavily on the coastal plains, which I guess is good because it wasn't falling in the mountains and rushing down the slopes, tearing up the valleys. But when it all lands on flat land, it takes a while to flow to the ocean.
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BigV • Oct 14, 2016 6:56 pm
power out twice today, and this windstorm has been described as the "little" one of two, the less little one to arrive tomorrow, the remnants of a super typhoon west of us. ferry runs canceled, floating bridges closed. talk of twenty five foot waves and 100 mph winds. Also reports of winds in Seattle at 60 mph plus. That's going to bring down some trees.

I have gassed up the car, genset on patio, two mostly full gas cans, food that can be cooked without electricity, two handles of bourbon, flashlights all around, half a cord of wood. I might go out and get some dvd from redbox, maybe not. Can't power the display and player from genset. phone charging no problemo. We might take a storm chasing trip on Saturday.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 14, 2016 7:31 pm
two handles of bourbon
Glad you took care of priorities. :thumb:
captainhook455 • Oct 14, 2016 8:29 pm
I am in SE NC. Maybe 30 minutes from Myrtle Beach. We only had 15.5" of rain. The power went off, but I have a generator. I am on the "hill". The water ran off to someone else's home. A fellow we know died in the flood. The water swept him off his feet and he was gone. The wind on the back side of the hurricane was the worst. Just a few miles from here the country side looks like Haiti. Anyone wants to send me relief money then I'll spend the hell out of it. Help Ed thread.

tarheel
sexobon • Oct 15, 2016 11:19 am
Maybe you could start a save the eagles fund ...

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[SIZE="1"]The bald eagle was named Matthew after the recent hurricane that tore through the Caribbean and southeastern United States.[/SIZE]

(CNN) In the aftermath of Hurricane Matthew's path through Florida, it may have been the oddest call to 911 operators: a bald eagle had gotten stuck in the grille of a car. ...
glatt • Jan 7, 2017 3:04 pm
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Gravdigr • Jan 7, 2017 3:24 pm
The air hurt my face this morning.
infinite monkey • Jan 7, 2017 3:50 pm
I don't like cold, at all, for a lot of reasons. But yes, I live where the air hurts my face and thank my lucky snowflakes I don't have to deal with the other 3 pictures. Especially that nightmare-inducing spider. Is that even real?
Gravdigr • Jan 7, 2017 5:32 pm
Considering the size of her special spider-catching bucket...:eek:
infinite monkey • Jan 7, 2017 5:39 pm
That is one damn big bucket. Fuck the bucket, I'd consider buying a rifle if that shit was in my house!
monster • Jan 7, 2017 10:04 pm
infinite monkey;978844 wrote:
I don't like cold, at all, for a lot of reasons.


but at least no fridge required to chill beer....? And the stashed hobos don't stink...
footfootfoot • Jan 8, 2017 2:17 pm
infinite monkey;978861 wrote:
That is one damn big bucket. Fuck the bucket, I'd consider buying a rifle if that shit was in my house!


Shotgun, better for small things on the move in panic situations.
Gravdigr • Jan 8, 2017 2:33 pm
Dynamite don't miss.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 9, 2017 4:53 pm
Woo Hoo, big melt...
Griff • Jan 10, 2017 7:35 am
monster;978896 wrote:
but at least no fridge required to chill beer....? And the stashed hobos don't stink...


You'd think that but Aife rolled in one this morning. 11F and the hobo still stinks.



alcohol content?
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 23, 2017 6:28 pm
No matter how shitty the weather gets this winter, I doubt you'll be hit by a duck.
Griff • Jan 23, 2017 6:38 pm
The rain started to freeze about 6pm here. The storm is supposed to be a sonofabitch.
captainhook455 • Jan 23, 2017 7:54 pm
Sundae;761279 wrote:
After an Indian Summer, the weather has finally borken.
It's been humid for the last two days (which has made me sweat like a racehorse), but today was sunny, breezy and with a drop in temperature.

In the last 20 minutes the rain has begun to pound against the window.

I'm wondering if the drop in pressure is what's making me weepy.
I haven't cried without a specific trigger for a long time now.

From the sound of things it will be wellies and leggings and a vest to walk in. Then blouse and skirt and ballet shoes inside.

Mum doesn't get that wearing a jacket or coat does not help in the rain. If you are walking a mile, you can keep your head and shoulders dry with an umbrella. But arriving steaming like a faulty kettle because of an extra layer is never going to appeal.

Still, it's evocative and safe when it's chucking it down outside, esp as I know both cats are warm and dry.

I was cruising the thread and saw this.

xoxoxoBruce;148386 wrote:
It's what we live with, work around and can't reason with, divorce or murder. [emoji3]
Today it's snow.



tarheel
Gravdigr • Jan 24, 2017 1:15 pm
I looked outside this morning and there was this huge ball of fire in the sky, I could feel it's warmth, it was amazing.

Something, something The Fucking Sun.
Griff • Jan 24, 2017 7:04 pm
There's a big
A big hard sun
Beaten on the big people
In the big hard world
classicman • Jan 25, 2017 5:24 pm
I actually was hit by a duck once. We were hunting and ... well it was hit and flew right into the blind - and me!
Gravdigr • Jan 26, 2017 1:29 pm
Popdigr was deer hunting in his tree stand and had an owl fly up and punch him in the head, knocking his hat off. Owls curl up their talons and 'punch' sometimes, instead of grabbing and clawing.

He said it was quite a shot. Good thing it punched.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 24, 2017 12:54 pm
February 24th and 78 degrees F(25.6C) at my house. This summer should be interesting. :eyebrow:
Clodfobble • Feb 24, 2017 2:54 pm
Yesterday afternoon, we hit a high of 90 degrees.

I was just noting this morning my personal evidence that we magically skipped winter: I run an event at the school that handles all the lost coats (of which there are so many, despite the fact that we hand-return any lost item that has a name in it.) The first year I ran the event, we had nine racks of unclaimed coats. Last year, there were six. This year, we currently have about three and a half, and unless some wacky cold front comes sweeping through in March, we're basically done for the year.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 24, 2017 2:59 pm
Are the kids blessed with more coats than they can keep track of, or parents wealthy enough to just get new ones rather than look for it?
Clodfobble • Feb 24, 2017 3:09 pm
I think a lot of it is over-involved parents insisting their kid wear a coat when the kid doesn't want to. Kid takes it off as soon as mom's car is gone, loses it because it's not attached to them anymore, and doesn't care enough to find it again. Parents are too lazy to come inside the building to check the lost and found for themselves, and eventually buy a new one.
Clodfobble • Feb 24, 2017 3:11 pm
Also, a lot of them are more like hoodies and cardigans than big expensive coats.
Griff • Feb 25, 2017 1:15 pm
Heavy rain, thunderstorms, and flash floods hereabouts.
BigV • Feb 25, 2017 2:19 pm
It's 38 degrees out today, overcast overcast. I have a day full of yard work, taking loads of branches to the dump. I'm inside now getting a warm up. Hands very cold.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 25, 2017 2:32 pm
79 F(26.1C) and sunny. In February?
glatt • Feb 25, 2017 2:48 pm
Pink huh? This might be interesting.
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xoxoxoBruce • Feb 25, 2017 2:56 pm
High and low what? Temperature? Precipitation? Barometer? Price of hamburger? :eyebrow:
Gravdigr • Feb 25, 2017 4:01 pm
I would imagine storm severity.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 25, 2017 5:10 pm
No clue from the picture?

A friend of mine washed her car this afternoon, now thunder, lightning and heavy rain... that bitch. :lol:
orthodoc • Feb 25, 2017 5:26 pm
In the 70s yesterday; rain and thunderstorms all night, and then the temperature has dropped steadily all day ... snow now. February can't make up its mind.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 25, 2017 5:30 pm
Hi Ortho, good to see you.Image
It's been a weird winter but I'm not complaining, every time it snowed it melted before I had to go anywhere.
orthodoc • Feb 25, 2017 5:33 pm
Hey, Bruce! Been AWOL for a bit, but it's time to shake off the crud and get back to what's important. Right?
Gravdigr • Feb 25, 2017 6:08 pm
orthodoc;982987 wrote:
...time to shake off the crud and get back to what's important. Right?


Damn right. Day drinking, and blow.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 25, 2017 6:10 pm
orthodoc;982987 wrote:
Hey, Bruce! Been AWOL for a bit, but it's time to shake off the crud and get back to what's important. Right?

Damn right, when the going gets tough, regroup in the comfort of your Cellar family. :folks:
orthodoc • Feb 25, 2017 6:30 pm
That's my thought. Some Fleetwood Mac and teh Cellar. :folks:

When I get overwhelmed I retreat; it's my issue, nothing to do with the Cellar. I always draw comfort from reading posts, just don't always feel able to jump in.
Griff • Feb 26, 2017 8:13 am
orthodoc;982983 wrote:
In the 70s yesterday; rain and thunderstorms all night, and then the temperature has dropped steadily all day ... snow now. February can't make up its mind.


Yeah, now snow...
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 20, 2017 9:36 am
Spring has sprung
The crocus is froze
Snow in the yard
Is over my toes
:(
Gravdigr • Mar 20, 2017 5:13 pm
I got 79 degrees rfn.[ATTACH]59798[/ATTACH]
captainhook455 • Mar 20, 2017 5:19 pm
[emoji1] Spring is just around the corner. Tra la la la.Image

tarheel
glatt • Mar 22, 2017 10:17 am
LOL tarheel
BigV • Mar 22, 2017 10:25 am
Hahaha!
Gravdigr • Mar 22, 2017 3:15 pm
Gravdigr;984661 wrote:
I got 79 degrees rfn.


I wish I still had it...
tw • Mar 22, 2017 9:01 pm
captainhook455;984666 wrote:
Spring is just around the corner.

I had a spring that looked just like that on a spring compressor. The compressor failed. Never did find that spring.

What state did you say you saw it?
sexobon • Apr 6, 2017 11:05 pm
It's raining Tomahawks in Ash Sha'irat.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 7, 2017 12:27 am
Bet they heard thunder too. :rolleyes:
Gravdigr • Apr 7, 2017 1:26 am
:devil:
tw • Apr 7, 2017 11:35 am
sexobon;986256 wrote:
It's raining Tomahawks in Ash Sha'irat.

Another Indian uprising? Are they trying to install a pipeline?
captainhook455 • Apr 7, 2017 2:08 pm
Sunshine for two weeks. You know that means rain at the end of the month when I go to Cherokee.

Lawdy lawdy let us pray for no rain in the mountens end of April.

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BigV • Apr 7, 2017 4:26 pm
Spring storm predicted here. 40 to 60 mph winds.
Griff • Apr 8, 2017 8:06 am
Gotta melt some snow here but the flooding has crested, and warming trend from today.
captainhook455 • Apr 8, 2017 9:55 am
That storm went by us. Scary night. Tornado warnings on the beach and I'm only 30 miles from there. Why do all the good storms come at night? If in the day I could watch that tree fall on my house. No we didn't have any damage. There are 86 tie downs under this trailer.
I have been riding my motorcycle around since March. A little cool it was, but I didn't have to wear gloves. It was 82 yesterday. The Gulf Stream is not to far off the coast so we benefit from that.

If one drives inland 200 miles then the temps feel like Merchantsville, NJ. I forgot how fucking cold it is up there. The day before I went up there I rode my bike down here. Sheesh how can you stand all those months of winter?

Oh well. I have the heater on now soon to put the ac on. My wife takes more thinners than I and she is a popsicle. She just woke and she wants her coffee.

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xoxoxoBruce • May 10, 2017 1:32 am
Some difference...
tw • May 10, 2017 8:05 pm
"The coldest winter I ever saw was the summer I spent in San Francisco." - Mark Twain. I personally witnessed same.
BigV • May 10, 2017 9:00 pm
Last week it hit 70 degrees for the first time since last October. We were almost done with April before it even hit 65 degrees. And we're already at about 140% of our water supply year which also starts in October.

You saw the pictures of the snow that ate our laurels and closed the driveway for a day. It's nice today a little over 70 degrees. Gonna rain tomorrow though so I'd better get out and finish demolishing the deck while it's dry-ish.
Undertoad • May 10, 2017 9:43 pm
looks like this big low was pushing warm up at you but now it's gonna bring the storm

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=temp/orthographic=-114.33,31.91,637/loc=-123.659,44.910

(n.b. location not exact, i just pointed somewhere near and clicked)
Gravdigr • May 13, 2017 3:31 pm
Absofuckinglutely beautiful here today.

75 and sunny. I'm for watching it get dark on the river later. Maybe I'll hear coyotes. I'm taking my owl-hooter w/me, gonna try to get a turkey to gobble back at me.

No, not owl hooters, an owl-hooter:

[ATTACH]60514[/ATTACH]

You puff air into it while semi-voicing the phrase "who cooks for you, who cooks for you all". If a tom turkey hears this, he can't help himself, he'll gobble.
BigV • May 13, 2017 3:34 pm
Undertoad;988425 wrote:
looks like this big low was pushing warm up at you but now it's gonna bring the storm

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=temp/orthographic=-114.33,31.91,637/loc=-123.659,44.910

(n.b. location not exact, i just pointed somewhere near and clicked)


You're very close.

Here's another map, not really about weather, but showing the local area. I live adjacent to the swarm of yellow and orange dots in the center.
captainhook455 • May 13, 2017 5:36 pm
Well now that is way over there Big. Temps over here in SE NC have been running 94 with a 65 dew point.
Rain today the first week of white bike week. Now known as Harley week. See used to be the white bikers would go one week and the black bikers the next. Then they switch so one or the other can have Memorial Day weekend. They still do it this way, but we must be politically correct on what we call it.
Yes a little rain is good. We need it bad. Nothing else it be down in the 80's this week.



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orthodoc • May 13, 2017 6:05 pm
Gravdigr;988566 wrote:


No, not owl hooters, an owl-hooter:

[ATTACH]60514[/ATTACH]

You puff air into it while semi-voicing the phrase "who cooks for you, who cooks for you all". If a tom turkey hears this, he can't help himself, he'll gobble.


Can you record what that sounds like and upload it?
Why does a tom turkey respond to an owl-hooter?
Not being a smart-ass, I want to know.
We're tipping into warm weather here, finally ... barn swallows are back and nesting in the front porch, all the birds are busy. The irises are almost ready to bloom, lilacs just finished. This place is crazy beautiful in May.
Gravdigr • May 15, 2017 3:26 pm
The turkey responds because the owl and the turkey are either natural enemies, or competitors for the same area, I'm not really sure. But it's weird, that turkey just cannot not gobble when he hears that kind of owl.

My hooter is pretty much the same as this guy's, but, mine doesn't have the extra ports, and is a bit deeper/lower in tone, but the technique and sound is very similar to this:

[YOUTUBE]FKOYNriNhxw[/YOUTUBE]

Instead of the trill at the end, around these parts we end with more of a 'hoo-ah'.
Gravdigr • May 15, 2017 3:30 pm
Maybe it's because the turkey is jealous of the owl's silent flight?
BigV • May 18, 2017 4:28 pm
am I missing something about the number of syllables in the second phrase who cooks for you all?
Gravdigr • May 19, 2017 12:26 am
The last part, 'you all', comes out kinda like Pacino's huu-wah. The guy in the vid puts more of a trill on the end.
captainhook455 • May 20, 2017 11:31 am
I would've thought that since you from KY you would know the correct pronunciation is y'all.

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Gravdigr • May 20, 2017 1:22 pm
Heh.

Turkeys enunciate.
Gravdigr • May 21, 2017 2:25 pm
LOTS of rain lately. Going down to the river to see how high it's gotten. See if m'table and chair are gone. Pretty sure they will be. They're probably in the next state. Literally. It's only about 2, maybe 4 river miles to the next state.

'Sposed to be 80 today, w/sun & clouds.

Gonna be bad muddy, though. Might have to walk from the gate, as I have street tires on GC1. That's almost a mile. Through muddy tractor road, or walking alongside it, through waist high grass. And the blood-thirsty, sabre-toothed redneck ticks (not to mention the deer ticks) that infest it. I guess it'll be long pants, duct tape, and Permanone. I'll have to burn some herbaceous substance, as well.

Y'know...To keep the mosquitoes away.;)
captainhook455 • May 23, 2017 9:54 am
Rain yesterday and today. Thank Buddha. It was drier than a toad fart down here.
I had to water my roses so the fucking bugs could have something sweet to eat. Sevin dust and Raid took care of those buggers. Then it supposed to be pl

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captainhook455 • May 23, 2017 9:55 am
Then it supposed to be pleasant so off to the beach for the weekend.

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BigV • May 23, 2017 11:07 am
80 degrees here for the first time since last August.

And it's just 10 weeks until next August.
Gravdigr • Jun 8, 2017 5:13 pm
It's June 8, in south central Kentucky.

We're freezing. Today, all our house windows have been closed. All the doors closed. All day.

It's the coldest 72 degrees I've ever felt.

Popdigr said if we hadn't already killed the pilot light, he'd have had the heat on last night.
captainhook455 • Jun 8, 2017 10:48 pm
I have the heat on. Its 62 out there. Gotta ride the bike tomorrow.
BigV • Jun 9, 2017 2:12 pm
Shorts and t-shirt weather
Gravdigr • Jun 10, 2017 3:11 pm
The world's gone all cockadoody.
monster • Jun 11, 2017 9:34 pm
94 in old money here, 34 in sensible measures.

hot. in other words. Same again tomorrow, then thunderstorms for the rest of the week.

the boy's graduation is tomorrow. hoping the storms don't come early
lumberjim • Jun 13, 2017 4:25 pm
Image
Phuck dis
konopej • Jun 14, 2017 8:42 am
It's a fine day today. Hate it when family and friends start nagging about the weather. I can understand being upset when your plans fail because of it or something really disastrous is happening, but when you sit at work and and shouldn't care the least about what's outside the window? We can't change it anyway, why not enjoy it
Gravdigr • Jun 14, 2017 9:00 am
konopej;990740 wrote:
We can't change it anyway, why not enjoy it


Because a lot of people do not enjoy the fucking heat. What gets me is the people who can't seem to get that.

If you enjoy the very warm weather, good for you. But, I don't like it at all, I'm pretty sure Jim doesn't, and I'm all but positive that neither of us is going to pretend to.
monster • Jun 14, 2017 9:40 pm
Is having a good moan about something not a way of enjoying it?
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 14, 2017 10:58 pm
Not everyone gets to sit inside the windows and not all spaces inside the windows are heated/air conditioned.
Gravdigr • Jun 15, 2017 4:24 pm
monster;990823 wrote:
Is having a good moan about something not a way of enjoying it?


It's a way of enjoying moaning.:p:
BigV • Jun 15, 2017 11:34 pm
rained all day today, high of 62 degrees. I have worn my (lightest) down jacket in the office all day all week, even over my wool flannel shirt.
lumberjim • Jun 19, 2017 11:27 am
If this summer is a repeat of last year, I'm cracking skulls. And so far, it's been that way.
The dew point is 76 today. That's unacceptable.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 20, 2017 2:51 pm
Flights cancelled when it tops 118 degrees.
But it's a dry heat.[/whine]
Gravdigr • Aug 5, 2017 3:18 pm
South Central Kentucky...Not known for our mild August temperatures.

Yesterday the high was 81, with basically no humidity. RFN, it is 81, with basically no humidity.

Sleeping on the riverbank tonight.
classicman • Aug 6, 2017 12:23 pm
Philly ... Hazy hot and humid is ... not what we are having at all.
Gravdigr • Aug 10, 2017 1:32 pm
August 10, 2003 – The highest temperature ever recorded in the United Kingdom, 38.5 °C (101.3 °F) in Kent, England. It is the first time the United Kingdom has recorded a temperature over 100 °F (38 °C).
BigV • Aug 12, 2017 2:05 pm
It rained here last night.

Notable, because it ended the new record of 56 consecutive days without measurable precipitation.
Gravdigr • Aug 12, 2017 4:24 pm
Damn. That's a serious drought for you guys.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 19, 2017 7:07 pm
Cape Cod got 6 inches of rain last night. :eek3:

It's raining so hard we can't even see out the windshield.
I know baby, that means nobody can see in either.
But what if we get caught?
C'mon sweetie, nobody will be out in this deluge.
Oh, oh, oh, OMG the earth moved...
glatt • Aug 25, 2017 12:10 pm
Heard on the radio this morning that the predictions of three feet of rain on the Texas coast this weekend are a gross exaggeration. It should only be two and a half feet.

If that precipitation fell as snow, it would be 25 feet.

This is gonna be interesting. Once again, I am glad I don't live on the Texas coast.

Oh, and fill your tanks. This will knock out refineries for a bit.
Gravdigr • Aug 25, 2017 12:28 pm
It's August in KY:

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:jig:Thank You God!!!:jig:
glatt • Aug 25, 2017 12:45 pm
I'm going hiking and camping this weekend and the weather couldn't be better for it.
Gravdigr • Aug 25, 2017 1:18 pm
I thought I might sleep on the river bank tonight, but, 58 might be a tad cool for lawn chair sleeping.
Griff • Aug 25, 2017 6:25 pm
We don't need another pretty song that bad.
[YOUTUBE]ZTbTHlTmDX8[/YOUTUBE]
Gravdigr • Aug 27, 2017 2:38 pm
Another really nice day for us today. I'm for the river. With a grill, some venison steaks, and some taters. Herbaceous substance mandatory.:cool:
glatt • Aug 27, 2017 6:34 pm
I just got back from the river. Absolutely gorgeous this weekend. I used my sleeping bag instead of lying on top of it.
Griff • Aug 28, 2017 7:23 am
Nice weekend here as well.
Gravdigr • Nov 27, 2017 3:12 pm
64.1 degrees, rfn. Beautiful outside. No more days like this one this year, I'm betting.

That's why I'm for the river. Well, that and this small container of sticky stank I got here.;)

It's just divine, btw. Can ya smell it? I bet if ya sniff real hard ya can smell it through the pipes and the tubes and the stuff. It's definitely blessed w/the skunk stank. can you say "Number 1"?

:fumette:
Carruthers • Dec 10, 2017 6:09 am
It's snowing. :eek:

Four to five inches of the stuff have landed and it doesn't show any signs of stopping here at the ancestral estate.
I looked out at 0430 and a smattering had just put in an appearance then.
The Met Office forecast was for a large swathe of Wales and Central England to get the worst of it and we, just on the southern edge of that area, were expected to get off pretty lightly.
It appears that an area of rain moving up from France hit a larger and colder air mass than had been expected hence the snow. At least we can blame the French for it.
This road is not a priority for salt spreading so the snow just becomes compacted and dangerous to drive on.
No newspapers have been delivered this morning and they might well not have arrived at the shop anyway.
In the absence of several hundred square feet of newsprint to wade through, Dad turns his mind to other things.
By 'other things' I mean jobs for me to do. That's why I'm keeping out of the way in here until I embark upon preparing another haute cuisine Sunday lunch. ;)

We have a large, and very old, Buddleia in the back garden.
I normally cut it back in February which keeps it relatively under control.
For reasons best known to himself Dad told me to leave it alone this year so I did!
Under the weight of snow the wretched thing has more or less collapsed in on itself and it's a hell of a mess.
Bits have dropped off it with monotonous regularity over the last few years and I wonder how much longer it will survive.
The burden of snow obviously manifested itself at the weak points.
Having a self pruning Buddleia is one thing. Clearing up the debris is quite another.

Right, I shall go and do what any self-respecting British type chap would do under the circumstances:

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xoxoxoBruce • Dec 10, 2017 6:33 am
You had me with Buddleja, so off to Google/Wiki.
Buddleja, or Buddleia /&#712;b&#652;dli&#720;&#601;/ (also historically given as Buddlea), commonly known as the butterfly bush,[5] is a genus comprising over 140[6] species of flowering plantsendemic to Asia, Africa, and the Americas.


Well that's no help, gimme images….

Image

Oh, pretty, but your description of carnage doesn’t jib with those images, they look like the would just lie flat.

Then this…

Image

Oh, now I get it... it's like the aftermath of a George Bush. :eyebrow:
Carruthers • Dec 10, 2017 6:51 am
Yep, that's about the size of it. :)

It's an attractive shrub/bush and will grow just about anywhere.
It will put in an appearance on railway embankments, waste ground or woodland while your back is turned.
It started to grow well in local woods and attracted several species of butterfly but, because it isn't native, the Forestry Commission cleared it out.
What could be better than hundreds of acres of conifers?
Carruthers • Dec 11, 2017 4:05 am
I had an early appointment at the Doc's this morning and it's normally about a ten minute walk.
Footpaths are pretty much unusable but the road is fairly clear, if somewhat wet, so I walked there.
Not a choice available to me when I got to the main road but all in all not a bad trip.
Took a few minutes longer than usual but at least I didn't have to strap tennis racquets to my boots.

The railways are a different matter. There were no trains on the Aylesbury-London line yesterday and none so far today.
I wonder how Londoners will cope? It must be a grim prospect for them, being cut off from the vibrant, bustling metropolis that is Aylesbury. ;)
Griff • Dec 11, 2017 8:38 am
That's a pretty significant snowfall for you folks, isn't it?
We just a got a dusting. Based on yesterday's football Buffalo is already in it.
glatt • Dec 11, 2017 8:41 am
Dusting here on Saturday. Enough to make a couple snowballs if you scooped it off the trunk of the car. It's all gone now. Melted.
Carruthers • Dec 11, 2017 8:50 am
Griff;999950 wrote:
That's a pretty significant snowfall for you folks, isn't it?
We just a got a dusting. Based on yesterday's football Buffalo is already in it.


Yes, it's somewhat out of the ordinary. To the best of my recollection, the last time we had significant snowfall was three or four years ago.
I can remember some pretty harsh winters during my childhood which were a damned nuisance and caused all manner of travel problems but the schools never closed.
Schools are closed all around the county today though, which puzzles me.
Some good came of it. When I went to the Doc this morning, the traffic was very light and I didn't run the risk of being flattened by loads of kids charging around the place!

ETA: High Wycombe, about fifteen miles away, recorded 6.7" of snow yesterday and it was probably about the same here.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 11, 2017 9:17 am
Payback for Brexit, the French are like that. ;)
Carruthers • Dec 11, 2017 9:37 am
xoxoxoBruce;999955 wrote:
Payback for Brexit, the French are like that. ;)


Brexit? No, it goes back further than that.

They've still got the hump with us over a minor disagreement at Waterloo in 1815.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 11, 2017 12:58 pm
Waterloo killed 10,000 horses, maybe that's their problem, took away their victuals.;)
Gravdigr • Dec 12, 2017 4:18 pm
over a minor disagreement at Waterloo


Reminds me of people referring to the American Civil War as "the recent unpleasantness".
Gravdigr • Dec 12, 2017 4:19 pm
Man, ain't it good to have a Carruthers again?

:jig:
DanaC • Dec 12, 2017 4:23 pm
Carruthers;999957 wrote:
Brexit? No, it goes back further than that.

They've still got the hump with us over a minor disagreement at Waterloo in 1815.


I think the following years of allied occupation probably didn't help their disposition towards us.

Anyway - goes way further back than that :P

Our entente has only ever been cordial at best.
Carruthers • Dec 13, 2017 3:46 am
Gravdigr;1000032 wrote:
Man, ain't it good to have a Carruthers again?

:jig:


:blush::blush::blush:
limey • Dec 13, 2017 2:14 pm
Gravdigr;1000032 wrote:
Man, ain't it good to have a Carruthers again?

:jig:
I was thinking the same thing.

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xoxoxoBruce • Dec 13, 2017 2:49 pm
I agree but be careful, don't put too much pressure on him to perform, he might run away. ;)
Gravdigr • Dec 14, 2017 4:00 pm
As long as he Carruthers with us every now and then I'm happy.
Carruthers • Dec 14, 2017 4:48 pm
limey;1000087 wrote:
I was thinking the same thing.

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xoxoxoBruce;1000090 wrote:
I agree but be careful, don't put too much pressure on him to perform, he might run away. ;)


Gravdigr;1000149 wrote:
As long as he Carruthers with us every now and then I'm happy.


Thanks one and all! :thumb:

I'll do my best, imagination, inspiration and time permitting! :)
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 17, 2017 10:20 am
It snowed Friday afternoon. I had a doctors appointment at 3:00 in Exton, PA, about 22 miles from home, 75% being 4 lane highways.
Left there at 3:20, got home at 7:00. Never seen anything like it, 28 degrees F, about an inch of loose well salted snow on the road, and the heat from bumper to bumper, stop and go traffic wouldn't melt it.
Undertoad • Dec 17, 2017 10:25 am
Main Line Health?

Similar stories all around: it's like they got a late start and forgot that they pre-treat roads in cases like this.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 17, 2017 10:31 am
No, PENN system, but this surgeon maintains his own office. I presume he joined the PENN System because the Chester County Hospital he uses joined the PENN System. I chose him because he was the only one who didn't use the system's Philly hospitals. It was a good choice as that hospital was wonderful, everyone I dealt with there was first class.
tw • Dec 17, 2017 10:34 am
xoxoxoBruce;1000342 wrote:
... about an inch of loose well salted snow on the road, and the heat from bumper to bumper, stop and go traffic wouldn't melt it.


Heat rises. Snow falls. Everything is downhill.
Gravdigr • Dec 18, 2017 3:34 pm
tw;1000350 wrote:
Heat rises. Snow falls. Everything is downhill.


Except heat. Or are you gonna argue with yourself now?:eyebrow:
Clodfobble • Dec 31, 2017 11:07 pm
It is currently snowing outside for the second time this month.

It does not snow in Austin, dammit.

Also, it went back up to 70 degrees in between the two snows. And it will no doubt be back up there again in another week or two.
BigV • Jan 1, 2018 12:08 am
ha~~!

We had a white christmas here. SonofV and I were on our ritual christmas eve shopping trip, into the store we went at about 4 pm. The sky was cloudy and as we filled the cart with a couple last minute gifts and some snacks and ingredients for the coming nosh, the weather outside, as the song goes, is frightening. A couple inches of snow had accumulated and it was the first snow of the season, so, early evening traffic, people harried and hurrying to get home for their festivities, and roads *bathed* in slick.

What could possibly go wrong????

Well, for SonofV and I, nothing. We got home, we ate, we played, a good time was had by all. But ... it coulda been a disaster.

The front yard from the safety and warmth of the living room:[ATTACH]62835[/ATTACH]

And just out of chronological order, SonofV and I safely home posing for our holiday usie in the snow covered driveway:

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Griff • Jan 1, 2018 9:34 am
Looking good brothers.

-5F at dawn today
fargon • Jan 1, 2018 10:23 am
-8 rite now feels like -27. BRRR!!!
Griff • Jan 1, 2018 10:40 am
nippy
Gravdigr • Jan 1, 2018 6:40 pm
Brr. Fucking brr.

[ATTACH]62841[/ATTACH]

We are not used to this.
captainhook455 • Jan 1, 2018 10:05 pm
Thats ^^^fucking cold!! Supposed to get up to 18° tonight with a high of 30 tomorrow. Jim prolly sent this shit down here and it is supposed to snow 1-3" Wednesday. Next time I will move to Borneo.
Glinda • Jan 1, 2018 11:32 pm
Clodfobble;1001295 wrote:
It is currently snowing outside for the second time this month.

It does not snow in Austin, dammit.

Also, it went back up to 70 degrees in between the two snows. And it will no doubt be back up there again in another week or two.


Texas weather, omg. It's always been batshit crazy, and I think it's getting worse.

I was born (1958) and spent the first ten years of my life in Beaumont. I was present and hunkered down for several major Gulf Coast hurricanes. The one I remember most clearly was this little bitch. I may have been quite young, but it made a very strong impression on my wee toddler's brain. ("Holy shit!!! A tree just crashed into the living room ceiling! WTF'nF?!?")

Many years later, as an adult, I commuted two weeks a month to Dallas, which has the craziest, most fucked-up, weirdest extreme weather I ever barely survived.

What with all that "fake news" global climate change hooraw and everything, it may be time to get outta Dodge, my friend!
Carruthers • Jan 3, 2018 5:52 am
Storm Eleanor hit the UK last night causing damage, transport disruption and power cuts in many parts of the country.
The wind howled throughout the night hereabouts but we seem to have got off fairly lightly.
The huge conifer at the bottom of the back garden survived the night, as indeed did I.
At 0655 the weather chap on the radio reported gusts of 100mph had been recorded in the Pennines, but as nobody lived there it didn't matter too much!
I made immediate plans to move there. :)

Storm Eleanor
Griff • Jan 3, 2018 7:14 am
Ha!
Gravdigr • Jan 3, 2018 3:06 pm
100mph...That's breezy, baby!

Reminds me:

about a hundred years ago I went to my buddy's house. At the time, he was between homes, and staying with his grandmother, who looked just Granny Walton from the Waltons. I walked up to the door, granny had seen me pull in and came to the door to let me in. The wind ripped the storm door outta her hands and folded/slammed it backward against the side of the house with a fair amount of violence. In the most perfect, tiny, reedy, little-old-lady-voice, Granny said:

"Weathery out."
Glinda • Jan 4, 2018 2:21 am
Gravdigr;1001488 wrote:
100mph...That's breezy, baby!

Reminds me:

about a hundred years ago I went to my buddy's house. At the time, he was between homes, and staying with his grandmother, who looked just Granny Walton from the Waltons. I walked up to the door, granny had seen me pull in and came to the door to let me in. The wind ripped the storm door outta her hands and folded/slammed it backward against the side of the house with a fair amount of violence. In the most perfect, tiny, reedy, little-old-lady-voice, Granny said:

"Weathery out."


"Ayuh." :D
Carruthers • Jan 4, 2018 6:03 am
As noted above, we dodged the worst of the storm but we did have a nasty outbreak of flying trampolines.

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Storm Eleanor: 'Flying trampolines' land on Aylesbury train tracks

Two "flying trampolines" were blown on to train tracks during high winds caused by Storm Eleanor.

Network Rail said a train had to stop in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire on Tuesday night.

The trampolines were moved to the side of the track and taken away by staff on Wednesday morning.

A Network Rail spokesman said the incident was "an obvious safety hazard" and appealed to people to secure garden items.

Mark Killick, chief operating officer for Network Rail's London North Western route, said: "It is incredible to think that a trampoline could fly through the air on to the railway, but here we have not one but two at the same location."

Network Rail has asked residents to tether items such as trampolines, gazebos and marquees to make sure they stay put in high winds.


BBC Link
Griff • Jan 4, 2018 7:12 am
Gonna be trampolines all over the East Coast of the US today.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 4, 2018 7:59 am
Thanks Griff, I'll keep an eye out in case some of those Italian tramps are female.:blush:
Gravdigr • Jan 4, 2018 4:35 pm
"an obvious safety hazard"


Well, they shoulda used those safety nets, that way the trains wouldn't fall out of the trampoline and hurt deyself.
Gravdigr • Jan 5, 2018 1:56 pm
I ain't been warm since August.
Carruthers • Jan 5, 2018 2:06 pm
Gravdigr;1001671 wrote:
I ain't been warm since August.


It hasn't been too cold here, save for a couple of spells, but it hasn't stopped winter being a thoroughgoing bore.
I look forward to Dec 21st every year but even that landmark doesn't dull the pain that January and February often bring.
I suspect that I might be allergic to winter.
fargon • Jan 5, 2018 8:29 pm
Gravdigr;1001671 wrote:
I ain't been warm since August.


Me too.
BigV • Jan 5, 2018 8:34 pm
Pretty sure the idiom is "flying TRAPEZE"...
tw • Jan 6, 2018 9:19 pm
Trivial by comparison. Back in the 50s and 60s, lakes and rivers would routinely freeze. Back then, everyone had ice skates. Chunks of ice were often seen in the Hudson River. They built a bridge from Manhattan to Brooklyn because ice would routinely separate the two. Today's winters are topical by comparison.

We had multiple consecutive days when it went below -18 degrees C. In the spring, we found frost even two feet underground. And that was not even in cold environments such a Maine or NY State. Back then we really had winters.

Do you feel warmer now?
Clodfobble • Jan 6, 2018 9:21 pm
tw wrote:
Today's winters are topical


Well, sure, that's why we're talking about them!
tw • Jan 6, 2018 9:32 pm
Everyone talks about it and it still does not change. Sounds like politics to me.
Gravdigr • Feb 8, 2018 3:50 pm
"This week's highs are brought to you by Tommy Tutone":

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I looked at that for a looooong time before I got it.:neutral:
fargon • Feb 8, 2018 5:01 pm
That's colder than here, who did you piss off?
fargon • Feb 8, 2018 5:05 pm
I got it. Is that where you are?
Gravdigr • Feb 8, 2018 5:24 pm
Oh, no. Ran across it on the interwebz.

ETA: Davenport, Iowa
fargon • Feb 8, 2018 5:50 pm
It cooold there.
Carruthers • Feb 8, 2018 5:54 pm
fargon;1003753 wrote:
It cooold there.


On Sunday night it's relatively mild, or so it would appear.
fargon • Feb 8, 2018 5:57 pm
It's still below freezing.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 8, 2018 10:31 pm
That's fahrenheit, Carruthers. ;)
Carruthers • Feb 8, 2018 10:48 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1003768 wrote:
That's fahrenheit, Carruthers. ;)


I'd allowed for that, but raised an eyebrow at how relatively 'mild' it was compared to the daytime 3F of Sunday and the 0F of Monday.
Was the minus sign omitted from the overnight temp in error?

It's 0345 here so not entirely compos mentis.
Allowances may need to be made!
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 8, 2018 11:05 pm
"compos mentis."? Watch your language. Image

Same here, cold as shit then warms up a little and dumps a couple inches of rain then cold again.
monster • Feb 8, 2018 11:13 pm
doods. :/ -16C today. snow tomorrow. And we do snow. But this is going to be a lot and wet, they say .....all schools, courts, non-essential police... are already closed. And my gym and Friday is a work out day. Snow is making me fat.

And I still have to go to work.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 9, 2018 12:01 am
Shoveling should make up for the gym loss.
DanaC • Feb 28, 2018 10:16 am
White out blizzard outside



Saw a gap in the weather, took Carrot to the field - deep snow and silent, but quite bright and sunny ....


We were on the field when the sky darkened and then we were inside a snowglobe. Visibility was a few feet at best. My nose was running, so I sniffed and breathed in snow.

Got home and had to melt the snowballs off Carrot's feet :P
Carruthers • Feb 28, 2018 10:16 am
This week, due to a ferociously cold air stream from Siberia, the UK has experienced snowfall in varying amounts.

This afternoon the Met Office has issued a red warning for the central belt of Scotland which indicates a risk to life. In their words:

Between 15:00 Wed 28th and 10:00 Thu 1st

Heavy snow showers and drifting of lying snow in the strong easterly winds will become more widespread across the area later on Wednesday afternoon, through the evening and overnight into Thursday.
Roads will become blocked by deep snow, with many stranded vehicles and passengers.
Long delays and cancellations on bus, rail and air travel are expected.
Some communities could become cut off for several days. Long interruptions to power supplies and other services.



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This from a police helicopter over SE London yesterday:

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Worth looking at the full size version here: NPAS Twitter.

We haven't had too much to worry about here so far but there's concern that another system approaching from the SW will be a force to be reckoned with on Friday morning. I just hope that it doesn't get this far.

BBC Report


ETA Great minds...
DanaC • Feb 28, 2018 10:19 am
We're in the amber area
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 28, 2018 11:48 am
Obviously Hell is freezing over, keep an eye out for flying pigs. :crone:
Carruthers • Feb 28, 2018 11:59 am
xoxoxoBruce;1004697 wrote:
Obviously Hell is freezing over, keep an eye out for flying pigs. :crone:


Well, Hull is freezing over, but I think that's the closest we shall get. :biggrin:

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limey • Feb 28, 2018 12:18 pm
So far so good here. Snow has only started to fall/settle seriously here in the past hour. I have solid fuel heating, gas cooking back up and a generator to keep the Innernets working.
glatt • Feb 28, 2018 12:18 pm
DanaC;1004691 wrote:
We're in the amber area


I see it on the map. Be careful of the yellow snow next to you. Don't eat it.
Happy Monkey • Feb 28, 2018 12:35 pm
Meanwhile, the North Pole is above freezing in the middle of winter.
DanaC • Feb 28, 2018 2:32 pm
I was lucky today - it's my non-working day this week in lieu of Saturday so I didn't have to go very far from home.

Not looking forward to tomorrow if it keeps up
Griff • Feb 28, 2018 5:15 pm
Game on.
A Winter Storm Watch is now in effect for all of CNY and NEPA from late Thursday night into Friday night. Snowfall is expected to be highly elevation dependent. For all of the latest details, please reference our briefing here: https://www.weather.gov/media/bgm/publicbrief.pdf
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 28, 2018 9:17 pm
It's you damn skiers praying for snow.
DanaC • Mar 1, 2018 5:47 am
Got a text at 7:30 as i was getting ready for work - Halifax branch is closed today *dances a jig* - Snow dayyyyy!!!!!
Griff • Mar 1, 2018 7:17 am
:D
Griff • Mar 1, 2018 7:38 am
Looking at 12" to 18" from Friday morning on. Hmmm... ski Sunday?
Carruthers • Mar 1, 2018 9:42 am
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Posted as a Soft Southerner.


[SIZE="1"]Of Yorkshire descent.[/SIZE] :)
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 1, 2018 11:09 am
Griff;1004796 wrote:
Looking at 12" to 18" from Friday morning on. Hmmm... ski Sunday?

Even Benny at :25 checking out a pole.

[YOUTUBE]FcOK87ev8jU[/YOUTUBE]
Gravdigr • Mar 2, 2018 2:49 pm
I'm tired of rain. I will accept anything falling from the sky except aircraft. Snow? Cool. Ice? Cool. Frogs and fish? Fukkit, at least it ain't rain.:jig:
Griff • Mar 2, 2018 4:39 pm
It's a 5? shear bolt day.
Carruthers • Mar 6, 2018 3:03 pm
The snow which was dumped on us last week has now largely disappeared, but it's still being a damned nuisance up in Cumbria.
Some poor souls have been snowed in since last Wednesday and the RAF has been flying in food and fuel to cut off villages.
OK, it's not the high country of Montana with its extremes of weather, but it's still pretty bad if you're stuck in it.

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Jonas Ershov clears the snow outside his house in Nenthead, Cumbria. He has been snowed in since Wednesday.

A week after the Beast from the East hit Britain, aid operations are continuing for stranded residents in Cumbrian villages where locals have been burning furniture to stay warm amid 12ft snowdrifts.
Even though snowfall has ceased in the affected areas, high winds are blowing snow from hilltops in the North Pennines and throwing it down on local villages and towns such as Nenthead and Alston.
A military operation involving the RAF and Royal Marines helped to deliver emergency parcels to 170 residents in Cumbria who requested support over the weekend and yesterday.
Cumbria county council said there were six homes still requesting support, while highway teams were out in force to keep major roads clear.


Nenthead Street View.

The Times
Gravdigr • Mar 6, 2018 3:18 pm
Winter is lovely, but it can suck.

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Happy Monkey • Mar 6, 2018 3:26 pm
Gravdigr;1004894 wrote:
I'm tired of rain. I will accept anything falling from the sky except aircraft. Snow? Cool. Ice? Cool. Frogs and fish? Fukkit, at least it ain't rain.:jig:
Careful. That attitude will get you oobleck.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 6, 2018 3:36 pm
They're saying we'll get a 6 to 12 inches tomorrow. At least the power should stay on, all the weak trees were weeded out last friday. I lost power at 8PM Friday, no heat, 51F inside, no water, no phone. Came back on 7:30PM Saturday. Went off at 2AM Sunday, on at 1AM Monday. :mad:
glatt • Mar 6, 2018 3:58 pm
Were you burning your furniture like the folks in the UK?

Or did you put on a jacket?
Gravdigr • Mar 6, 2018 3:58 pm
Happy Monkey;1005140 wrote:
Careful. That attitude will get you oobleck.


"Rain, always rain. Why can't we have something different for a change?"


~Bartholomew and the Oobleck by Dr. Suess

Thank you for that, HapMo.:D
Gravdigr • Mar 6, 2018 4:01 pm
Gravdigr;1005137 wrote:
Winter is lovely, but it can suck.


xoxoxoBruce;1005143 wrote:
They're saying we'll get a 6 to 12 inches tomorrow. At least the power should stay on, all the weak trees were weeded out last friday. I lost power at 8PM Friday, no heat, 51F inside, no water, no phone. Came back on 7:30PM Saturday. Went off at 2AM Sunday, on at 1AM Monday. :mad:


That's the 'suck' part I was talking about.:o
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 6, 2018 4:04 pm
Had the fireplace going but that's a pisshole in a snowbank heating the house.
Gravdigr • Mar 6, 2018 4:08 pm
As you say, maybe the problem trees have been weeded out, and you'll get through ok from here on.:fingerx:
Glinda • Mar 8, 2018 3:42 pm
Rainy, windy, 48 degrees. Bah.
Gravdigr • Mar 8, 2018 4:21 pm
Kinda nasty here, too.

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DanaC • Mar 8, 2018 4:54 pm
There's a video on youtube about the internet laughing at brits for being perturbed by a little snow.

Have you seen that picture Carruthers posted of the massive fucking snowdrifts in Cumbria?

My village got 15 inches of snow and windspeeds high enough to create snow drifts as tall as I am.

Full on blizzard conditions - a gritter truck got buried in snow in Wales - one couple spent hours buried in their car and a motorway full of people were stranded for 12 hours - heavy snow, deep drifts and 90 mph winds

I realise we have a tendency to over react to snow over here - given we don't get anywhere near as much as elsewhere and it doesn't last as long either - but the combination of the 'Beat from the East' and Storm Emma was full on.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 8, 2018 10:47 pm
The snow you got was a huge strain on your ability to keep calm and carry on, that baby would be a bitch anywhere. It's just get safe and wait, when subjected to that shit.

Yesterday about 5 inches of heavy wet stuff. Watching the voltmeter on my desk it was dancing all day. The power only went off once, long enough to kill the TV, microwave clock and turn on the livingroom touch lamp, but not kill my computer. I can live with that. :yesnod:
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 11, 2018 10:19 am
A Blowfish...
tw • Mar 11, 2018 11:37 pm
Nonsense. Mork just arrived from Ork.
Carruthers • May 27, 2018 5:04 pm
In the early hours of this morning we had a colossal thunderstorm.
This wasn't a muttered 'wossat?' and back to sleep.
This was the real Vincent Price emerging from the woodwork offering.
Fifteen thousand lightning strikes were recorded in, I think, an hour and the hydrant refuelling system at Stansted airport was put out of action after it was struck.

And now, as I type (2200), we're in the midst of a repeat performance.
I dare not look at the 60' conifer at the bottom of the back garden as I fear for its future as a tree. If you see what I mean.
The rain is torrential and the humidity is making me weary.
Anyway, we didn't lose the electricity supply last night so there's a better than evens chance we'll do so tonight.

Right. Wish me luck.:eek:
Gravdigr • May 27, 2018 5:35 pm
Find something sturdy and hang on.

Tightly.
fargon • May 27, 2018 6:17 pm
Go dance naked in the back yard!!!
Griff • May 27, 2018 9:26 pm
Whoa, there’s some excitement.
monster • May 27, 2018 10:02 pm
Carruthers;1009162 wrote:
In the early hours of this morning we had a colossal thunderstorm.
This wasn't a muttered 'wossat?' and back to sleep.
This was the real Vincent Price emerging from the woodwork offering.
Fifteen thousand lightning strikes were recorded in, I think, an hour and the hydrant refuelling system at Stansted airport was put out of action after it was struck.

And now, as I type (2200), we're in the midst of a repeat performance.
I dare not look at the 60' conifer at the bottom of the back garden as I fear for its future as a tree. If you see what I mean.
The rain is torrential and the humidity is making me weary.
Anyway, we didn't lose the electricity supply last night so there's a better than evens chance we'll do so tonight.

Right. Wish me luck.:eek:



The suburb we used to live in in Birmingham apparently just got more than a month's worth of rain in an hour and is underwater.

Here, it was 95F (35C)

Now it's dark and the temp has plummeted to an Arctic 27C/80F
Carruthers • May 28, 2018 4:23 am
fargon;1009171 wrote:
Go dance naked in the back yard!!!


The weather gods were in a bad enough mood as it was.
That would have caused hell, fire and brimstone to be added to the mix. :eek:





Not to mention a plague of frogs and seven days of darkness lying over the face of the land.
fargon • May 28, 2018 11:26 am
Prolly better to hide and watch.
Gravdigr • May 28, 2018 3:07 pm
Like sex w/Bill Cosby, then?
Carruthers • May 29, 2018 4:31 am
Predicting the path and time of arrival of thunderstorms is more of an art than a science so I am not criticizing the Met Office.
The available information on Saturday evening suggested that we would be on the northern fringes of the storms forecast for the early hours of Sunday and they might even miss us completely.
Instead of being on the fringes we were right in the middle of it.
To put it in scientific terms, we had a right royal hammering at about 0200.
The mighty conifer in the back garden avoided moving on to a second career as a telegraph pole but one day it will succumb.
Heaven knows how we'd get it out if it suddenly went horizontal.
Sunday evening's storms were marginally less powerful but bad enough.

Just to finish off, this was the scene at/over Portsmouth Harbour on the south coast of England on Sunday night.

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Clodfobble • May 29, 2018 8:19 am
Well, you've got to admit, it was pretty.
glatt • May 29, 2018 8:22 am
Poor Ellicott City, Maryland. They got nailed by some freak flash flooding two years ago, and then again this weekend, just after rebuilding.

This historic town has stood in this location for centuries, but these floods are something new.

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tw • May 29, 2018 10:12 am
glatt;1009247 wrote:
Poor Ellicott City, Maryland.


I assumed flooding was in the creek that passed through low part of that town. I never assumed a flood would be down that hill that runs through the main business district. How did so much water get concentrated down that steep main street? Those pictures give a whole new perspective to 8 inches of rain and where floods can exist.

You have to see those steep hills to appreciate why one would never expect that kind of flooding.
Happy Monkey • May 29, 2018 2:43 pm
I was in Baltimore that day. Nothing like Ellicott City, but there was one intersection that was at least a foot deep.
Clodfobble • May 29, 2018 3:21 pm
Flooding also gets worse as the surrounding areas are developed, unless there are very strict laws about the percentage of "impervious cover" (i.e. non-rain-absorbing concrete) that's allowed to be built over a given space of land. 8 inches of rain 20 years ago might not have had the same effect as 8 inches of rain today.
xoxoxoBruce • May 29, 2018 8:24 pm
I north New Jersey I ran into road after road with roadblocks because of flooding. Interesting that most flooding was at intersections.
Happy Monkey • May 30, 2018 8:57 am
I would guess that they try to put the sewer inlets at intersections, so they can drain both streets. Then they grade slightly down towards the intersection, so it flows to the sewer. Then, if it gets inundated, or blocked, you get a pond.
xoxoxoBruce • May 30, 2018 9:33 am
That makes sense in an urban grid system but much of this was rural and suburban roads with intersections sometimes miles apart. I suppose where you have the intersection of two roads which are invariably higher than the adjacent terrain it blocks the normal flow of water adjacent to those roads. I don't know.
tw • May 30, 2018 9:36 am
xoxoxoBruce;1009313 wrote:
That makes sense in an urban grid system but much of this was rural and suburban roads with intersections sometimes miles apart.

Which towns?
xoxoxoBruce • May 30, 2018 10:18 am
From Trenton to Sparta.
Carruthers • May 30, 2018 11:45 am
Tis the same the whole world over...

Heavy thunderstorms spark calls for improved drain cleaning after rainwater floods streets

Numerous heavy thunderstorms over the weekend have sparked calls for drains to be cleared across the country after rainwater flooded Buckinghamshire streets.

The bank holiday weekend saw stunning lighting storms batter the county – however it appeared the drain systems were unable to cope with the heavy rain.

Bucks county councillor (BCC) for Great Missenden, Peter Martin, claimed storm gullies in Great Missenden have not been cleared in his seven-and-a-half years as councillor and called for action to be taken.

Speaking at a meeting of the environment, transport and communities select committee on Tuesday (May 29) he said:

We have got a number of gullies and I have lived in Missenden for seven-and-a-half years and they have not been touched in that time.

“Contractors were employed last year but apparently there was a problem with them and they cleared off and the problem was not completed.

“We have got a number of steep hills when it rains heavily the water cascades down them and just makes a bigger problem elsewhere.”

BCC’s cabinet member for transport, Mark Shaw, admitted drain systems across the county struggle to cope with excess water during heavy storms, however he assured councillors the issue is being addressed.

He said: “I have to say we had the gully cleaner out in Chesham last week, especially in Waterside, and after the rains on Saturday it was flooded again and it just can’t cope with the amount of water when rain is as heavy as it was.

“But yes, we are out there literally every day clearing blocked gullies and we will continue to do that and we will make sure Great Missenden has its fair share of that.”

In February BCC councillors agreed to set aside £125,000 to clean gullies which is set to be invested this year, according to head of highways at BCC Mark Averill.


Bucks Free Press

The tanker which cleared out the surface water drains was a frequent sight during my childhood.
The driver would lift the grating at the edge of the road, pump out the mud and other detritus, then flush the drain with clean water and move on to the next one.
Come to think of it, it provided free entertainment for us kids and could be added to the 'No electricity needed' thread.
I can't remember the last time I saw this essential maintenance take place and this morning had to navigate around a flood at a road junction on my way into town.
Eventually someone will come along and give the drain a desultory prod with a stick, I suppose.
tw • May 30, 2018 7:15 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1009316 wrote:
From Trenton to Sparta.

That is more rural parts of NJ. Plenty of open land for drainage. Most homes built on 2+ acre lots. And not much flat land that so easily floods. Been up and down those roads (ie Routed 206?) for many decades in all kinds of weather. It must have been an unusually heavy rain.

One factor is apparent. After eight years of Gov Christie, plenty of maintenance and new construction was eliminated or suspended in the name of cost controls. Those so desperately needed tunnels into NYC's Penn Station were only one obvious example.
Griff • Jun 14, 2018 7:20 am
Shitty weather hereabouts.
http://wnep.com/2018/06/13/homes-wrecked-after-strong-storms-move-through-bradford-county/
glatt • Jun 14, 2018 9:14 am
I heard about that. You don't get too many tornados up your way.
BigV • Jun 14, 2018 10:37 am
Rainy, low to mid sixties.

Layering up including my Cowichan hat.
Gravdigr • Jun 14, 2018 3:44 pm
I'll take a little o' that low - mid 60s.

Mid 90s...HUMID...I thought it rained earlier, but, it was sweat squirting outta the little old lady standing next to me.:sweat:
Carruthers • Jul 19, 2018 6:54 am
In late March - early April we were emerging from a very wet winter.
Our back garden slopes and we are on a deep layer of chalk so, at least in theory, it should be well drained, but for months the lawn squelched underfoot and was in danger of becoming a quagmire.
Three to four months on we are experiencing a prolonged period of hot weather and barely any rainfall.
Grass has turned brown, I haven't mowed the lawns in weeks and it's like concrete underfoot.

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Satellite imagery has revealed how the UK&#8217;s heatwave and drought has changed its appearance.

A photo taken in May shows the country covered in Green, but another recent image shows it reduced to a shade of brown.

The longest heatwave Britain has experienced in 42 years saw just 47mm of rainfall between 1 June to 16 July.

It makes it the driest start to summer on modern records, which date back to 1961.

Britain could see its hottest summer on record this year if above average temperatures continue, according to the Met Office.

Even if the rest of the summer is average, it will &#8220;certainly rank in the top 10 warmest summers on record,&#8221; the national weather service said.

However, a spokesperson for the Met Office cautioned: &#8220;It is important to remember we are only half way through the season, and a lot can change.&#8221;


As a consequence of the dry spell outlines of archaeological sites have become visible.

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Remnants of WWII Air raid shelters on Jesus Green in Cambridge show up in the parched grass


Several aerial shots of parch marks in the link.

Right, I'm off to do a rain dance. I'm a beautiful mover. ;)
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 19, 2018 8:53 am
I haven't mowed the lawns in weeks and it's like concrete underfoot.
You say that like it's a bad thing. ;)

So the Met is trying to convince everyone that the evidence of alien activity is just archaeological sites. Very clever.
Mountain Mule • Jul 19, 2018 6:35 pm
New Mexico is drought central at the moment. We're in the middle of the great North American Monsoon, but it's been nothing but thunder and lightening and some black clouds that promise rain, then break their word and blow away leaving nothing behind except a few brush fires started by lightening strikes.

My roomie is an archeologist and he claims we're all gonna die out here just like the Anasazi did. He's a regular black cloud himself, but archeologists do love their dead civilizations. :greenface
Gravdigr • Jul 22, 2018 9:17 am
Mountain Mule;1011963 wrote:
He's a regular black cloud himself, but archeologists do love their dead civilizations. :greenface


So he's a Native American archeologist, then?

Black Cloud?

Does he have a brother in the toilet tissue industry?

:p:
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 22, 2018 10:35 am
A friend was telling me a Lancaster, PA, TV station weather forecast yesterday morning was for 2.19 inches of rain. :eyebrow:
Isn't it nice to know in advance how much rain is coming to one hundredth of an inchImage
Carruthers • Jul 22, 2018 10:49 am
xoxoxoBruce;1012063 wrote:
A friend was telling me a Lancaster, PA, TV station weather forecast yesterday morning was for 2.19 inches of rain. :eyebrow:
Isn't it nice to know in advance how much rain is coming to one hundredth of an inchImage


At least they remain one of the sainted unmetricated!

That said, the decimal point does give cause for concern.;)
Glinda • Jul 22, 2018 1:33 pm
Hell, we'd kill for some rain out here in SW WA. Instead, we're sweltering in the 90s and 100s for at least the next week. Fo' sizzle!
Carruthers • Jul 23, 2018 10:39 am
As of a few minutes ago (1515 BST)...

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I realise that it's not Death Valley, but it's pretty damned uncomfortable.
Although Dad doesn't like hot weather, he's holding up pretty well.
I'm finding the humidity very debilitating and we can expect these temperatures for the rest of the week. :eek:
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 23, 2018 12:25 pm
What, you do temperature in Fahrenheit?
Well duh, if that was C it would be about 188 F. :smack:
I'm surprised though.
Carruthers • Jul 23, 2018 12:32 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1012105 wrote:
What, you do temperature in Fahrenheit?


Generally, we adopted Celsius years ago but Fahrenheit is selectable on the BBC Weather app.

I am a slave to my inner rebel. :)
Happy Monkey • Jul 23, 2018 2:05 pm
It felt exactly like the seaside on an overcast day today, in northern VA, at least for the short time I stepped outside. Something about the temperature, humidity, and wind. If a seafood restaurant had been upwind, the illusion would have been complete.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 23, 2018 2:24 pm
It's been weird, yesterday I went over to Jersey, only about 30 miles. Top down in bright Sun when I left, torrential rain halfway there, and bright sun at the other end. I wouldn't have been surprised if it had just sprinkled on the way but it was like driving through a car wash. Single clouds usually don't have the ability to dump that way. :rollanim:
limey • Jul 23, 2018 2:37 pm
Carruthers;1012102 wrote:
As of a few minutes ago (1515 BST)...



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I realise that it's not Death Valley, but it's pretty damned uncomfortable.

Although Dad doesn't like hot weather, he's holding up pretty well.

I'm finding the humidity very debilitating and we can expect these temperatures for the rest of the week. :eek:




Mr Limey and I will be down your way from Friday. Not a million miles from North Dean .....


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Undertoad • Jul 23, 2018 2:46 pm
Been an awesome July so far, most days are about 5 degrees below average highs, and predicted to stay that way for another week

weather not climate
glatt • Jul 23, 2018 3:40 pm
I'm going camping this weekend, so hope the rain abates and the temperatures stay nice. A quick thunderstom would be OK, but I just don't want the steady Gulf system parked on top of us.
Carruthers • Jul 23, 2018 4:12 pm
limey;1012117 wrote:
Mr Limey and I will be down your way from Friday. Not a million miles from North Dean


A musical engagement, if you don't mind my asking?
Glinda • Jul 23, 2018 5:04 pm
It's currently 93 and rising. The rest of the week will be at least 93, with several days in the 100s. Please kill me now.

:yeldead:
lumberjim • Jul 23, 2018 5:33 pm
Undertoad;1012118 wrote:
Been an awesome July so far, most days are about 5 degrees below average highs, and predicted to stay that way for another week

weather not climate



we had a good week there.... but this shit today? bleh. dew point at 75 most of the day. ...at least there's a breeze
glatt • Jul 26, 2018 8:44 am
I got one of those annoying weather alerts on my phone yesterday evening. flash flood warning.

Within 45 minutes of that text, we had a three person bucket brigade going, trying to keep water from flooding our basement. And maybe an inch got in in places, but for the most part, we beat back the water. This morning, the basement is dry.

I figure at the peak of the brigade, it took 2 seconds to fill each 2.5 gallon bucket up to about the 2 gallon mark. So that's roughly 60 gallons a minute we bailed. And we continued for maybe 20 minutes? I wasn't keeping track of the time. But if that's accurate, we bailed in the ballpark of 1,200 gallons. We kept 1,200 gallons out of our basement.

We have a drain on the landing just outside our basement door, and normally it handles all the rain with ease. But yesterday it was raining HARD as this one cloud went by slowly.

My daughter videoed me before I enlisted both her and her mother to help. We passed buckets up the stairs and dumped them a few feet away where the ground slopes more away from the house.

[YOUTUBE]p1YwjgHfPJ0[/YOUTUBE]
Carruthers • Jul 26, 2018 10:04 am
glatt;1012328 wrote:
I got one of those annoying weather alerts on my phone yesterday evening. flash flood warning.

Within 45 minutes of that text, we had a three person bucket brigade going, trying to keep water from flooding our basement.


A downpour like that would be very welcome on this side of the Atlantic.
Thunderstorms are forecast for later today and tomorrow but I fear that we shall miss out.
The 0800 radio forecast warned of some areas receiving 6cm/2.4" of rain in three hours. That's about the monthly average.
We don't have a basement but the whole plot slopes down from the road so managing a downpour can be difficult.
I am quite happy to take on that particular challenge. :thumb:

As of a few minutes ago...

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The heat would be just about tolerable but it's the humidity that I find so difficult to deal with.
Undertoad • Jul 26, 2018 10:06 am
We kept 1,200 gallons out of our basement.


And each gallon is 8 pounds so you just lifted 9,600 pounds of water!

:eek:

Any body aches?
limey • Jul 26, 2018 10:26 am
Carruthers;1012125 wrote:
A musical engagement, if you don't mind my asking?




That’s the one!


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glatt • Jul 26, 2018 11:32 am
Undertoad;1012332 wrote:
And each gallon is 8 pounds so you just lifted 9,600 pounds of water!

:eek:

Any body aches?


Yes. We all stretched our backs as best we could afterwards. Child's pose, mostly. And a modified child's pose with my arms crossed in front of my chest and the top of my head on the floor. Trying to stretch out the back as much as possible.

No pulled muscles, but sore all over.

Advil is my friend today.
Clodfobble • Jul 26, 2018 12:30 pm
glatt wrote:
We passed buckets up the stairs and dumped them a few feet away where the ground slopes more away from the house.


WHOA. Awesome job! Did any of your neighbors get flooded?
glatt • Jul 26, 2018 1:48 pm
Well, I don't know about the neighbors. Everyone has been staying inside during the rain.

But I noticed the cars in the driveway of the neighbors on one side as I was getting ready for work this morning. They spend their summers at their beach house 2-3 hours drive away and their driveway is normally empty. The wife follows me on Instagram, and I had posted the same video on there. Their basement has flooded in the past, so I can imagine that she saw my video last night while relaxing at her beach house, and was like "Oh shit" and jumped in the cars to come home. I bet their basement flooded too.

Neighbors on the other side had work done recently to try to solve their own basement flooding issues. And I think it worked.
captainhook455 • Jul 26, 2018 10:57 pm
Has it rained much in North Carolina? Yup, 22.5" above an average July.

So here is the story. My wife rides the ambulance and I close the house up and get my truck. I back out and get stuck in my own fucking yard. Luckily I have a lot of relatives who won't answer their fucking phones and neighbors with 4x4's who are at work. Fucking A!! I finally got my wife's aide who said she would come and get the oxygen tank and go get her, but the twerp never showed so I made other fucking arrangements. I found my daughter she was going to work overtime, but took care of business. I think I will leave her the half a mil when I kick the bucket.

Is this the proper thread for a fucking rant? It felt good anyway. What was we talking about?
captainhook455 • Jul 26, 2018 11:01 pm
I can never remember the fucking picture. Why is that? Must be some deep rooted psychological trauma happened while in the womb. I liked what I saw coming out and spent the rest of my life climbing back in one. Here is the picture.Image
Griff • Jul 27, 2018 7:22 am
Enough moisture!
glatt • Jul 27, 2018 8:22 am
Undertoad;1012332 wrote:
And each gallon is 8 pounds so you just lifted 9,600 pounds of water!


Think about how [strike]heavy[/strike] full of mass a cloud full of water is. My recollection from the radar was that this particular wet sponge of a cloud was about 25 miles from north to south, which is why it dumped on us for so long, and maybe 5 miles wide. It must have dropped an inch or 2 on us as it went past. And it was carrying that water all the way up from the Gulf and continuously dumping it for a day or two at that same rate as it slowly made its way up to my house. It's basically a small lake full of water in the sky.

Somebody must have done this math already somewhere. We're talking millions of kilograms, just floating along in the air.
Gravdigr • Jul 27, 2018 2:43 pm
Along (sorta) the same lines...

I read this a good while back:

What if a rainstorm dropped all of its water in a single giant drop?

Their storm is 100km to a side. Their storm has a TPW (total precipitable water) content of 6cm. The water in their storm weighs 600,000,000 tons.

And then they hypothesize what would happen if it fell as one giant raindrop.
captainhook455 • Jul 27, 2018 7:36 pm
I saw on the tube a while back where a giant front end loader was filled with water. A station wagon was parked underneath. The water fell and pieces of the car exploded into the air. Then they did the slowmo. Very interesting.
lumberjim • Jul 27, 2018 10:47 pm
captainhook455;1012374 wrote:
Has it rained much in North Carolina? Yup, 22.5" above an average July.

So here is the story. My wife rides the ambulance and I close the house up and get my truck. I back out and get stuck in my own fucking yard. Luckily I have a lot of relatives who won't answer their fucking phones and neighbors with 4x4's who are at work. Fucking A!! I finally got my wife's aide who said she would come and get the oxygen tank and go get her, but the twerp never showed so I made other fucking arrangements. I found my daughter she was going to work overtime, but took care of business. I think I will leave her the half a mil when I kick the bucket.

Is this the proper thread for a fucking rant? It felt good anyway. What was we talking about?
Is Shirley ok?
Carruthers • Jul 29, 2018 4:34 am
The very dry and hot weather continues to give us glimpses into the past as the land dries out.

Blenheim Palace's lost garden revealed by heatwave

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The heatwave has exposed the remains of an 18th Century "military garden" at Blenheim Palace, aerial photographs have revealed.

The dry weather has uncovered parch marks in the shape of a garden that was dismantled by renowned landscape gardener Lancelot "Capability" Brown.

Head of gardens Hilary Wood said they provided "fascinating new information" about the lost formal gardens.

The palace in Woodstock is the birthplace of Sir Winston Churchill.

The garden was laid out in 1705 by royal gardener Henry Wise across 70 acres (28 hectares).

Its rectangular parterre - which can be seen in the parch marks - was the full width of the palace, and was surrounded by a high stone wall with bastions.

There was also a hexagonal group of trees, divided by a gravel walk.


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But when "Capability" Brown transformed the estate in the 1760s into its current layout - in the process adding a lake to the grounds - the garden was removed.

Ms Wood said: "During the heatwave of 1976 there simply wasn't the drone technology available to easily capture aerial images of the grounds and gardens.

"Today we can capture these incredibly detailed images and combine them with historical maps and drawings to provide us with fascinating new information which offers tantalising glimpses both into Blenheim's recent and ancient history."

Blenheim Palace was built to celebrate Britain's victory over the French in the War of the Spanish Succession and completed in 1733.

It is the residence of the Duke of Marlborough and was designated as a Unesco World Heritage Site in 1987.


Blenheim, of course, recently played host to the PM and POTUS.
I'm told that the lawn pictured was where Donald parked his chopper.
But I never listen to gossip.

Link
captainhook455 • Jul 29, 2018 7:41 am
lumberjim;1012431 wrote:
Is Shirley ok?

No she won't never be well again. She is tied to an oxygen machine or a portable bottle when she goes out. The heat dosen't help her breathing. Funny thing it wasn't so hot until I had to take these pills. I understand where she coming from.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 4, 2018 9:00 pm
On July 31st, 2018 in Alberta, Canada, heading for Sturgis... by the way that's hail, not snow.
captainhook455 • Aug 5, 2018 8:50 am
Another reason not to live in Canada.
Griff • Aug 6, 2018 7:01 am
We're about to start packing for Canada. This is going to be complicated.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 6, 2018 9:23 am
Hail comes and goes quickly.
Carruthers • Aug 6, 2018 10:26 am
As of a couple of minutes ago...

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I could probably tolerate the heat it's just the humidity that gets me.
I trimmed a substantial run of hedge yesterday morning starting at about 0900.
By the time I'd finished another shower and a change of clothes was required.
Staying indoors out of the midday sun doesn't help as the house is so well insulated for winter that the heat just builds up in the structure.

Er, that's it really. ;)
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 6, 2018 11:18 am
Get used to it, looks like your future. Can you say air conditioning boys and girls?
Carruthers • Aug 6, 2018 11:42 am
xoxoxoBruce;1012841 wrote:
Get used to it, looks like your future. Can you say air conditioning boys and girls?



Air conditioning? If only!
captainhook455 • Aug 6, 2018 12:39 pm
Its been raining here in NC for 3 weeks. The sun has finally showed its face. The temp is 89°, but with 100% humidity the temp feels like 101°. I have been to Canada in August and it was very nice. Take a sweater. I did the Cabot Trail on a bike and it was cool enough for a jacket. It didn't warm up until I got to Sydney. Still pleasant indeed. Have fun on your vacation.
Gravdigr • Aug 6, 2018 2:57 pm
Mid 90s. HUMID.

I'm wilting.
Glinda • Aug 7, 2018 12:54 pm
Last night, the TV weather guy said that thus far this year, we've had 23 days of 90+ temps. This week, we'll probably break that record.

Yay? :eyebrow:
captainhook455 • Aug 7, 2018 1:15 pm
I can't wait until it gets hot in the end of August.
Glinda • Aug 7, 2018 1:39 pm
captainhook455;1012951 wrote:
I can't wait until it gets hot in the end of August.


:censored:
Gravdigr • Aug 7, 2018 3:10 pm
What she said.
captainhook455 • Aug 7, 2018 6:02 pm
Nice day better than yesterday, but my bike is in the shop.[emoji22]
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 7, 2018 8:57 pm
Things can change real fast, not as fast as the 52 inches rain on Houston in a couple days, but still big changes.
Carruthers • Aug 9, 2018 5:19 am
At long last the recent hot spell has made an exit.
It's cooler and the crippling humidity has gone although we still haven't had any rain worthy of the name.
The lawn mower sits silent and unloved in the garage.
I can live with that. :)

A dramatic fog bank rolled into Land’s End at the weekend as cool air met the warm English Channel during the ongoing heatwave.
Bonnie Diamond, from the Met Office, said: “It appears a sea breeze allowed the fog to linger very close to the coastline.”


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Griff • Aug 9, 2018 7:01 am
gorgeous
fargon • Aug 9, 2018 7:19 am
It crept in on little cat feet.
Gravdigr • Aug 9, 2018 3:34 pm
Read a book where the killer came as quiet as fog.
tw • Aug 9, 2018 5:45 pm
The Crawling Eye
captainhook455 • Aug 9, 2018 9:20 pm
It would have been neat to walk that path into the fog. Step out, back in, step out again. Time to hit the bong.
Gravdigr • Aug 10, 2018 2:20 pm
tw;1013121 wrote:
The Crawling Eye


Chock full of Forrest Tuckery goodness!!
Carruthers • Aug 10, 2018 4:12 pm
Life was simpler when grass wasn't the same colour as ripened wheat.

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That's milling wheat in the foreground but it probably won't make the grade given our current drought.

Having said that, we had a deluge around midday which, while very welcome, is too little too late.
tw • Aug 10, 2018 5:18 pm
Gravdigr;1013172 wrote:
Chock full of Forrest Tuckery goodness!!

I saw that movie. Then F Troop. He looked familiar. And was more memorable (and believable) fighting for business deals with Indians.

Don't worry. Go into that cloud (after signing your last will). Be happy.
Griff • Aug 14, 2018 6:47 pm
Currently flooding all over Central NY and Northeast PA. Got home safely... raining again.
captainhook455 • Aug 15, 2018 11:13 am
Raining much? Better thee than me.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 15, 2018 4:24 pm
Raining much...
captainhook455 • Aug 16, 2018 9:24 am
xoxoxoBruce;1013476 wrote:
Raining much...

Ironically the flood happened in 'Little Falls' .
tw • Aug 16, 2018 8:13 pm
captainhook455;1013502 wrote:
Ironically the flood happened in 'Little Falls' .

Rather surprising. Flooding more often happens in the nearby town of Wayne. No falls. The rain in Wayne falls mostly upstream of that plain.
captainhook455 • Aug 17, 2018 9:57 pm
tw;1013536 wrote:
Rather surprising. Flooding more often happens in the nearby town of Wayne. No falls. The rain in Wayne falls mostly upstream of that plain.

You must be a joisey boy.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 17, 2018 10:07 pm
Yeah, that's his handicap.
captainhook455 • Aug 19, 2018 3:58 pm
I lived in West Orange for 17 years. We were up the hill. After living in the flat lands of Louisiana I thought we had moved to the mountains. It was just another hill to the locals.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 19, 2018 6:25 pm
A proposal...
Griff • Aug 19, 2018 8:43 pm
Can confirm, Banff is as dry and Smokey as NEPA is wet.
captainhook455 • Aug 19, 2018 10:14 pm
It's dry down here and hot too. The humidity is at 100%.
Griff • Sep 10, 2018 7:31 am
Facing 2 plus inches of rain today. The water table is maxed out. Trouble brewing.
Griff • Sep 10, 2018 7:32 am
https://waterdata.usgs.gov/usa/nwis/uv?01513550

something to watch
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 10, 2018 8:19 am
I watched but it came up less than 6 feet.

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv?01477000
glatt • Sep 10, 2018 8:20 am
Florence is currently predicted to dump 10 inches on me.

This is making me anxious. Do I wait, or start working now? Maybe if I dig a foot or so deep trench around my house I can direct the water from the back yard away from my basement and toward the street. That's a lot of digging though.

Or maybe I should just start moving the shit in the basement up to the upstairs floors and let the thing fill up with water. There's a ton of stuff down there though.

10 inches is so much! I mocked Houston for building houses inside a reservoir only to be flooded by Harvey. This is payback. I'm not inside a reservoir though, I just have a very gently sloping backyard that slopes to my house, and an old cinderblock wall foundation that isn't completely water tight.

Maybe this will turn to the open ocean, right? There's time before Thursday.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 10, 2018 8:26 am
Why dig a trench, the water toward the house will be on the surface and not deep. Drive some stakes and a barrier of boards should redirect the water.
Mountain Mule • Sep 10, 2018 1:22 pm
glatt;1014751 wrote:
Florence is currently predicted to dump 10 inches on me.

This is making me anxious. Do I wait, or start working now? Maybe if I dig a foot or so deep trench around my house I can direct the water from the back yard away from my basement and toward the street. That's a lot of digging though.

Or maybe I should just start moving the shit in the basement up to the upstairs floors and let the thing fill up with water. There's a ton of stuff down there though.

10 inches is so much! I mocked Houston for building houses inside a reservoir only to be flooded by Harvey. This is payback. I'm not inside a reservoir though, I just have a very gently sloping backyard that slopes to my house, and an old cinderblock wall foundation that isn't completely water tight.

Maybe this will turn to the open ocean, right? There's time before Thursday.


Don't have any advice for you but keeping my fingers crossed that Florence decides to take off for the open ocean instead of drowning you and the rest of the East Coast. :ipray:
captainhook455 • Sep 10, 2018 6:07 pm
Well I am going to stick my head between my legs and kiss my ass goodbye. My insurance will pay the mortgage company and I will have to buy another. Every new home should have a weed smell throughout. My bike and truck are paid for and then I get to go shopping.

We supposed to get 12" of rain 2 more than VA, but any woman will tell you 2" is alot.
Griff • Sep 10, 2018 6:59 pm
glatt;1014751 wrote:
Florence is currently predicted to dump 10 inches on me.

This is making me anxious. Do I wait, or start working now? Maybe if I dig a foot or so deep trench around my house I can direct the water from the back yard away from my basement and toward the street. That's a lot of digging though.

Or maybe I should just start moving the shit in the basement up to the upstairs floors and let the thing fill up with water. There's a ton of stuff down there though.

10 inches is so much! I mocked Houston for building houses inside a reservoir only to be flooded by Harvey. This is payback. I'm not inside a reservoir though, I just have a very gently sloping backyard that slopes to my house, and an old cinderblock wall foundation that isn't completely water tight.

Maybe this will turn to the open ocean, right? There's time before Thursday.


xoxoxoBruce;1014752 wrote:
Why dig a trench, the water toward the house will be on the surface and not deep. Drive some stakes and a barrier of boards should redirect the water.


I'd go the sand bag route.
BigV • Sep 10, 2018 9:43 pm
sandbags and start yesterday

remember you're not only redirecting water from your backyard, but from every yard upstream of your backyard. Just a diversion, please, water, won't you shift to the left a little? Give it a path. It will find a path even if it has to make one, give it an easy option to pass you by.
sexobon • Sep 10, 2018 10:27 pm
It wouldn't hurt to own or rent a gasoline operated sludge pump which will work even if the electricity goes out. It can be used two ways:

To avert a flooded basement, dig a trench straight across the yard with one end deeper than the other and put the intake hose at the deep end. The output hose goes off to the side of the house. This requires tending to the pump outside in a storm.

Put the basement contents up on bricks or boards and use the sludge pump to evacuate water from the basement floor. Be sure to get a pump that will raise a vertical column of water high enough and fast enough to keep pace with the storm. The pump will still have to be outside; but, it can be right next to the house and maybe just outside a door.

In either case, be sure to have enough hose lengths to reach the intake point and to discharge the water well away from the house.

ETA: Sludge pump a.k.a. slurry pump.
bbro • Sep 10, 2018 11:27 pm
We're making preparations here in central NC, too. Local weather says we'll be hit Saturday, but everyone is prepping for Wednesday. I have no idea. I've got a full tank of gas, soup, camping supplies, and water. Bring it
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 10, 2018 11:54 pm
Griff;1014776 wrote:
I'd go the sand bag route.

Sand bags are as much or more work than trenching. This isn't deep water he's trying to keep out, his area won't be flooded, just heavy rain for a long time. All he has to do is divert it as it comes rolling down his slope in the back yard and the barrier probably wouldn't see water more than 3 inches deep.
glatt • Sep 11, 2018 9:02 am
So my current thought is a combination of wait and see how the forecast develops, and buy a few boxes of 3 mil thick contractor garbage bags. I figure I can fill the contractor garbage bags with a few inches of water (in place, because once they have water in them, they aren't going anywhere.) and make a water bag wall a couple inches high to divert the water to the side. I can dump the water after the storm and turn the bags inside out to dry, and save them for use as trash bags. I'm thinking I might need to brace them with boards and wooden stakes, but we will see. Bruce is right, I'm just concerned about a steady flow of 1 inch deep water coming from my back yard. There is one more property behind mine, and some of that runoff might come my way. Hard to read the topography of their property. Water might also run down their driveway to the street.

One of the models has us getting as little as 3 inches of rain, which is no big deal. No preparation needed for that. Another has us getting 10 inches, which would be an issue, the ground is completely saturated right now.

I've been getting a little water in the unfinished basement with some of these heavier thunderstorms we've been having this summer, but I've been really tweaking our downspout extension system and getting that under control.

It's remarkable how much rain we have been getting. Everything is overgrown.
Happy Monkey • Sep 11, 2018 12:32 pm
Yeah, my parents got flooded in the last big storm. First time that's happened, and they've been there over 40 years.
bbro • Sep 11, 2018 3:55 pm
.....I need to stop looking at everything that is saying how bad this is gonna be for the Carolinas....
sexobon • Sep 11, 2018 5:28 pm
I've weathered some humdingers while living down in Fayetteville. As long as you stay put during the storm and are ready for power outages, the storm should have more bark than bite for you.
Griff • Sep 11, 2018 6:01 pm
bbro;1014820 wrote:
.....I need to stop looking at everything that is saying how bad this is gonna be for the Carolinas....


Good time to test camp gear!
sexobon • Sep 11, 2018 6:13 pm
See if your air mattress will float you down the street. If it's dark and gloomy out, be sure you have running lights!
Gravdigr • Sep 11, 2018 6:27 pm
Drag a line!
lumberjim • Sep 11, 2018 6:34 pm
Glatt, the water comes in your back door? Down some steps if I recall? Yes. I just found the video. No wonder I had such a specific mental image.

Anyway.... Maybe get a big cat litter box, to collect the water, run some plastic sheeting from the edge of the lowest step that would be above the rim of the box.... Get a fast sump pump, some 1.25" pvc or whatever fits, a one way valve and some of that purple glue and elbows and rig a pipe to blow the water off and away.
Clodfobble • Sep 11, 2018 7:01 pm
Or, you could always just torch the house for the insurance money and walk away.
sexobon • Sep 11, 2018 7:23 pm
Park a duck boat across your backyard. It'll sink in the storm and then deflect water away from the house.
orthodoc • Sep 11, 2018 7:37 pm
Thinking about a son and daughter-in-law not far from glatt and facing the same issues. Other relatives in Virginia Beach are hunkering down. A pilot whom I saw for a physical today mentioned that his family were on the road from SC and traveling at walking pace or less. People are moving inland, but the roads are full.
captainhook455 • Sep 11, 2018 8:25 pm
I'm ready I have a newspaper and a James Michener book. Everyone is leaving and my dealer had a sale so I am fortified.
Dagney • Sep 11, 2018 8:36 pm
Here in Raleigh we're pretty much ready for Flo's arrival - water and gas are getting hard to find right now. We're forecast for 10-12 inches of rain or 10-15 depending on where you read. I'm more concerned about the trees around us than anything else.

Bbro - if you are in Raleigh - hollar if you need anything!
Griff • Sep 11, 2018 9:17 pm
sexobon;1014850 wrote:
Park a duck boat across your backyard. It'll sink in the storm and then deflect water away from the house.


It won't sink it will just capsize and deflect water into the basement, poor design.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 12, 2018 12:09 am
At noon on 9-11 the high tide at Hatteras Light showed an 18 inch(46cm) increase from storm surge, 3 days before the storm should hit.

North Carolina has another problem...
From the livestock industry, one environmental impact from the storm could be from the lagoons, or lined earthen pits, that hold treated manure. They are commonly used to manage swine waste... More than 10 billion pounds of wet animal waste is produced annually in the state, according to a June 2016 report by the group, which has monitored the impact of past storms. North Carolina is the top U.S. turkey producer, ranks third for chicken and is home to more hogs than any state other than Iowa, government data show...

That's a lot of shit to get mobile. :eek:
glatt • Sep 12, 2018 6:10 am
This morning's forecast has it really missing me and staying further south. Maybe 2 inches of rain. Our house will be fine.

I feel bad for the Carolinas.
Griff • Sep 12, 2018 7:48 am
This is going to be ugly.

Those manure lagoons are really bad news. They're a known problem created by industrial scale agriculture and crappy regulation.
bbro • Sep 12, 2018 9:51 am
@sexobon - the only thing that has me worried is flooding. I live in a basement apartment. So the floating in an air mattress might work! I have 2 headlamps! One for front and one for back, I'm good to go :rolleyes:

@Griff - I've got the camp stoves and the camp pots out! I'll probably put the air mattress and sleeping bag in the car in case I need to relocate to someone's house. (see flooding worry above)

@Dagney - I am in Raleigh. Near the airport in Brier Creek. I will let you know, thanks. I've got water, batteries, light for power outages, food, full tank of gas. Even if the power and water go, I'm good. Nevermind - I don't have a friend to stay with if I flood. I'll let you know, thanks.
Undertoad • Sep 12, 2018 10:25 am
You guyz, Mom (Katkeeper) is going to drive from Murphy NC to Cary NC on Sunday afternoon. To visit friends there.

Mom is 85 but her Subaru is 4 wheel drive you see

The alternative is to just head home to Pennsylvania on I-81

With the new track she is Cary-bound for sure

I hope the roads are still passable
lumberjim • Sep 12, 2018 12:27 pm
Image
lumberjim • Sep 12, 2018 12:27 pm
looks like they're fooked
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 12, 2018 3:01 pm
The winds aren't near as bad as they were talking might develop, but the rainfall per hour x the speed moving through, will govern the impact.
bbro • Sep 12, 2018 3:39 pm
There's up to 40 inches of rain predicted. That's the worry right now in NC. Especially in my basement apartment. My brother has been pushing me to go up to PA with him. I am debating on it. Might be more stressful than the hurricane! I'm trying to decide if it's an overreaction or not.
glatt • Sep 12, 2018 4:37 pm
Raleigh looks like it's in the 4" - 6" band as of this posting time. Has your apartment had water issues before? Does the ground slope toward your apartment? Do the downspouts aim well away from the foundation? You could be perfectly fine. You could also have a problem. Depends entirely on your immediate local topography and drainage.

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bbro • Sep 12, 2018 5:21 pm
I'm not sure where they get that number. We're supposed to have days of rain. There's no way it's 4-6 inches. The European mode shows significantly higher numbers.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/09/the-hurricane-florence-forecast-has-gone-from-bad-to-worse/

There's a drainage ditch out back and it is already half full.

I know it's probably ridiculous, but I'm going to head out. If I was in a higher apartment, then I would stay.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 12, 2018 5:24 pm
Sandbags...
Undertoad • Sep 12, 2018 5:56 pm
bbro;1014922 wrote:
I'm not sure where they get that number.


That is a National Hurricane Center graphic, here's the page:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/212431.shtml?rainqpf#contents
bbro • Sep 12, 2018 6:00 pm
Undertoad;1014924 wrote:
That is a National Hurricane Center graphic, here's the page:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/212431.shtml?rainqpf#contents


I know the link. I've been on it for days. I meant how they calculated that number. :)
Undertoad • Sep 12, 2018 6:05 pm
oh sorry :blush:
bbro • Sep 13, 2018 9:44 am
Undertoad;1014926 wrote:
oh sorry :blush:


No worries :)

I really don't want to fucking drive for 8.5 hours
glatt • Sep 13, 2018 10:41 am
Interesting to see the slight changes now that the forecast rainfall totals include Thursday of next week. Instead of 1-2 inches, we are now supposed to get 2-4 inches. Still manageable for us.
Raleigh is in the 6" to 10" zone now.
My MIL in Black Creek, NC is also in the 6" to 10" zone.
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bbro • Sep 13, 2018 10:52 am
@glatt - It's probably because of the downgrade. Slower moving storm dumping lots of rain. I'm right on the edge of the 6-10 and 10-15 forecast. Flash flood watch is already in effect here.

Even though I don't want to drive, I'm going to go.
Glinda • Sep 13, 2018 11:57 am
What's more current than the weather? Today is my SIXTIETH fucking birthday, that's what. GAH.

:eyebrow:
fargon • Sep 13, 2018 12:00 pm
Welcome to the club. Time to party like it's 1999.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 13, 2018 12:04 pm
Timely advice...
Undertoad • Sep 13, 2018 12:25 pm
:thumb: :cheerldr: :birthday: Glinda, no GAH!! happy birthday!!
Glinda • Sep 13, 2018 12:30 pm
fargon;1015032 wrote:
Welcome to the club. Time to party like it's 1999.


I don't think my heart could handle it, at this age! Although cocktail/smoking hour will begin early today. ;)
Glinda • Sep 13, 2018 12:36 pm
Undertoad;1015040 wrote:
:thumb: :cheerldr: :birthday: Glinda, no GAH!! happy birthday!!


Thanks UT!

I just received three more chapters of the book I'm proofreading, but I think I won't be working on it today. I've got till the 18th to return the proofed files, which should still be plenty of time to get it all done.

Party time! :cool:
fargon • Sep 13, 2018 12:36 pm
I'll join you in spirit.
Glinda • Sep 13, 2018 12:42 pm
fargon;1015044 wrote:
I'll join you in spirit.


Drink up, Shriners!
sexobon • Sep 13, 2018 5:23 pm
Glinda;1015031 wrote:
… my SIXTIETH fucking birthday...


I figure if you can still do that as each birthday comes along, you're doing OK.
captainhook455 • Sep 14, 2018 10:50 am
Glinda;1015042 wrote:
I don't think my heart could handle it, at this age! Although cocktail/smoking hour will begin early today. ;)

Glad you reminded me. I still have electric even though 200,000 around me are in the dark. Forget about a store being open. Even Walmart has been closed since yesterday at 4:30.

I was going on a bike trip this weekend. Everyone cancelled. I'm sure the hotel had no trouble filling the rooms. Yesterday would have been a comfortable ride up to the mountains. Florence made a left instead of a right and it would have been dry up there til Monday. Since I was coming back Sunday it would have been dry during the whole ride.

I had bought a bag of the finest in the land for the trip of which I shall partake at this moment.
Gravdigr • Sep 17, 2018 4:00 am
:devil:
bbro • Sep 17, 2018 8:35 am
Well, there's almost constant updates on Tornado warnings in my area. I think I'll hang out in PA this week. I'm actually having a good time with my brother.
captainhook455 • Sep 17, 2018 2:26 pm
I guess I was wrong the western side of NC isn't so dry after all. We are lucky to be on the hill as it is. You wouldn't know it by casual observation. Other than soggy ground we missed the flooding. It doesn't look like anyone will want to retire to NC anytime soon.
Clodfobble • Sep 17, 2018 6:32 pm
If Arizona upgrades to Death Valley 2.0 and Florida sinks into the ocean, they might reconsider.
Dagney • Sep 17, 2018 8:21 pm
Checking in after the storm:

@bbro - hope you decided to stay put - Brier Creek seemed to fare well (I live in Knightdale, drive through BC every day on my way to Morrisville for work - we should Cellar Coffee sometime!)

Here in Knightdale proper, we had 8.5 inches of rain over the storm event. (It started raining Friday, decided to end sometime today) A day or so of gusty winds, but nothing really sustained, and there was very little damage - only a few flickers of power loss, nothing more than 30 minutes at a time. Now, a little west of here - Chapel Hill, Durham, etc, there was a great deal of flooding from the rains flowing into the river there. Nothing at all like what's happening in the southeast part of the state.

The sun is out - but we're not done yet.
Dagney • Sep 17, 2018 8:22 pm
bbro;1015328 wrote:
Well, there's almost constant updates on Tornado warnings in my area. I think I'll hang out in PA this week. I'm actually having a good time with my brother.


There was a big yellow ball of fire in the sky this evening. I had no idea what it was! (We've been clear of tornado warnings tonight thankfully!) Glad you're safe - if you want me to do a drive by check of your area, let me know - I'm happy to help.
BigV • Sep 17, 2018 9:18 pm
It rained enough here over the weekend to end the "no measurable precipitation" streak since April.

So, yay rain!
Griff • Sep 18, 2018 7:42 am
What a difference a continent makes. We're just watching the roads dissolve here under the pressure of springs and runoff.

https://www.weather.gov/marfc/NorthPrecipitationYTD (before last night)
bbro • Sep 18, 2018 10:45 am
@Dagney - thanks for the update! Technically, it isn't in a Flood plain, but I haven't been in that apartment very long, so I got nervous. No worries on driving by. What's done is done. I'll deal with it when I get in on Saturday. For all my worry and prep, I'm sure that nothing has happened. Thanks for the offer, though!
You live in Kdale?? I lived there for like 8 years before going to Brier Creek!! We should definitely get some Cellar Coffee. Can I drink tea? ;) I saw the flooding on news apps and from people on facebook. My gym is in Durham, so I probably would've encountered some.

I'm completely dumbfounded that the Eno River State Park is going to be open today when yesterday, the river was flooding. A ranger there said all the trails were underwater, too.

I cancelled my camping trip simply because I wouldn't be in town and I need to make up a half day of travel next Monday.
Gravdigr • Sep 18, 2018 5:42 pm
BigV;1015367 wrote:
It rained enough here over the weekend to end the "no measurable precipitation" streak since April.

So, yay rain!


Damn. I thought it rained everyday from 9 - 2 in Seattle. You guys must've been desiccated.
Happy Monkey • Sep 20, 2018 1:55 pm
I think the DC area and Seattle swapped summers.
BigV • Sep 20, 2018 2:15 pm
You can have yours back ANYTIME
Happy Monkey • Sep 20, 2018 2:19 pm
Hell no. My car's never been so clean.
glatt • Sep 20, 2018 3:26 pm
It's funny, because the grass has never been so lush, but there is never a chance to mow it.
Clodfobble • Sep 20, 2018 3:34 pm
Nor is there ever a chance for the pest control guys to treat the yard for the influx of ants caused by the rain...
glatt • Sep 20, 2018 3:51 pm
It's like you have been to my kitchen.

I went to the local hardware store Tuesday to buy some Terro, and the shelves were bare.

I did have some Permetherin for treating my camping gear, and I sprayed that between the door and storm door. I think it's working.
bbro • Sep 24, 2018 11:16 am
So, for all my prep - nothing happened :) No flooding, not even a power outage. My modem decided to die, but that's unrelated
Gravdigr • Sep 26, 2018 5:27 am
bbro;1015719 wrote:
So, for all my prep - nothing happened :) No flooding, not even a power outage. My modem decided to die, but that's unrelated


Suicide, maybe?

Survivor's guilt?
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 25, 2018 2:07 pm
Maine and New Hampshire this morning.
Griff • Oct 25, 2018 6:34 pm
Citation please!
bbro • Oct 25, 2018 7:16 pm
Gravdigr;1015774 wrote:
Suicide, maybe?

Survivor's guilt?


LOL - just saw this. Nope. Just normal old age. It's been replaced.

It seems like North Carolina has skipped fall and gone straight to winter. Then, I realized I was in the mountains. 20+ mph winds and 35 degree weather is normal, I think. It's in the 60-70 still during the day. My a/c has been off for a couple weeks and it's currently 70 degrees there. Living in the basement helps.
tw • Oct 25, 2018 9:18 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1017438 wrote:
Maine and New Hampshire this morning.


Good. You need the rain.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 25, 2018 11:19 pm
Griff;1017472 wrote:
Citation please!


https://www.facebook.com/newscentermaine/photos/a.97048189612/10156089973154613/?type=3&permPage=1

https://www.facebook.com/timothy.martin.7393/posts/2223102987724526
Griff • Oct 26, 2018 7:28 am
Facebook? Probably the Russians suppressing voter turnout.

Whoever decided snowflake was an insult never did a New England winter.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 26, 2018 10:17 am
Those were the links given at the site I found the pictures, I don't do facefuck. I heard this morning it was a coastal storm from a current nor'easter pattern.
Gravdigr • Oct 26, 2018 12:16 pm
Around here a snowflake is a girl that likes her cocaine. A lot.
captainhook455 • Oct 27, 2018 12:52 am
The temp today was 55 with a cold rain. Supposed to go to NJ as a Noreaster. I know Jim justs loves snow. His riding season ended. Mine is just beginning. Its too damn hot to ride in June, July and August. Tomorrow it will be 75 down here on the coast.
Griff • Oct 27, 2018 10:08 am
Constant rain is screwing with my ADK hike season.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 27, 2018 11:05 am
You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
Undertoad • Oct 27, 2018 11:16 am
It sure is windy!
Undertoad • Oct 27, 2018 11:17 am
All over the world.
Griff • Oct 27, 2018 12:32 pm
I like that visualization.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 6, 2018 12:02 pm
Trump ordered the National Weather Service to make it rain here until the polls close in order to suppress the vote.:yesnod:
Griff • Nov 10, 2018 9:47 am
snow situation developing
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 10, 2018 10:07 am
First snow...
Happy Monkey • Nov 10, 2018 12:55 pm
I'm always the first panel.


But DC doesn't get snow often, and it seems much less frequent and deep in recent years. I've probably only dug my car out 5 or 6 times in the last 3 years. And one of those probably wasn't strictly necessary; I could have driven over it.
Griff • Nov 10, 2018 1:27 pm
I like the snow. There has been loose talk of moving North.
Gravdigr • Nov 10, 2018 5:14 pm
Our coldest night so far, last night was. Colder tonight.

Brr.
BigV • Nov 10, 2018 7:12 pm
Weather widget claims it's 48° I don't know, but it's a [COLOR="Blue"]cold[/COLOR] 48°.

The buckeye in the backyard is shivering all its leaves off.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 11, 2018 11:08 am
My forecast is below freezing 4 out of the 5 coming nights.Image
Griff • Nov 13, 2018 7:08 am
.
Gravdigr • Nov 14, 2018 3:15 pm
34 degrees RFN...not getting any warmer today.

Verily, I say unto you, "Brr."
Griff • Nov 14, 2018 5:28 pm
yep verily

potential big hitter tomorrow night
fargon • Nov 14, 2018 5:37 pm
It is warming up for a couple of days. 42 tomorrow Yay!
BigV • Nov 14, 2018 8:19 pm
Hey Griff,

Is that your driveway?
Griff • Nov 15, 2018 7:34 am
That's the right of way on the Game Lands that extends from my driveway to the police tower. This will have better cover tomorrow.

https://www.weather.gov/media/bgm/publicbrief.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2yD-IzdhLVVlmQcp1TcNlWRiwlJalNP9_MvZx80VMrAbV2VomYEcemRdE
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 15, 2018 9:32 am
Yes white and fluffy, 7 to 10 starting at 3PM, and 3 to 6 tomorrow.:eek:
fargon • Nov 15, 2018 9:56 am
Bright and sunny all next week. 27 rite now 42 later, I am going outside and enjoy the day.
lumberjim • Nov 15, 2018 11:00 am
First snow right fucking now! Weeeee!

I just did the last mow yesterday. That's timing.
Happy Monkey • Nov 15, 2018 11:27 am
First snow here, too. I may have jinxed myself; the roads were quite scary.
lumberjim • Nov 15, 2018 11:50 am
What are you driving these days?
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 15, 2018 11:57 am
Not to worry, turning to rain this afternoon, wash all my [strike]troubles[/strike] snowflakes away.
Happy Monkey • Nov 15, 2018 12:08 pm
Prius. Low center of gravity, decent snow handling. I was more afraid of others.
lumberjim • Nov 15, 2018 2:28 pm
Whoa. Legit snow.

Image
Gravdigr • Nov 15, 2018 3:54 pm
Snowing RFN.
Griff • Nov 15, 2018 6:05 pm
Forester kicked ass tonight! Two cars were stopped in the middle of a hill on the way home. Dude walks back and asks if I can get around him cuz he's going to try to turn around. Subaru walks right around everybody, no problem.

We were supposed to go to the Warren Miller movie tonight but people are being too stupid for us to get back on the road. <Alanis Morrisette verse14>
lumberjim • Nov 15, 2018 6:27 pm
Pretty
Griff • Nov 15, 2018 6:35 pm
Tis.
Griff • Nov 15, 2018 8:04 pm
8 pm
glatt • Nov 15, 2018 8:10 pm
I'm supposed to lead a scout hike in the mountains this weekend. I hope this stuff melts tomorrow. There's some rock scrambling we can't do if it's icy.
Griff • Nov 15, 2018 9:57 pm
I hope you're not headed North!
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 15, 2018 10:43 pm
Griff, your snow should taper off at 9AM and stop at 10AM... until Sunday night.;)
Griff • Nov 16, 2018 7:05 am
Ya.
Griff • Nov 16, 2018 7:26 am
weird.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 16, 2018 8:30 am
Puppy joy?
Griff • Nov 16, 2018 9:17 am
Yeah but the weird thing is this picture appears rotated on my computer, unless Pete fixed it while I was plowing.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 16, 2018 1:12 pm
Yes, it has a 90 degree tilt. I see that a lot on other sites when pictures are uploaded from a phone.
Gravdigr • Nov 16, 2018 2:38 pm
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Griff • Nov 16, 2018 4:50 pm
Saved me some horsing around. Thank ya!
Gravdigr • Nov 17, 2018 12:07 am
That's the hardest I've worked all day.
Gravdigr • Nov 28, 2018 6:34 am
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Don't know if that's why, or not, but I hurt like blue blazes from the bottom of feet to my neck. Every single joint. Gave up trying to sleep naturally, and broke out the pills. Maybe they'll work.

Brr.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 29, 2018 9:45 pm
You've been hearing opposing claims about global warming till your head spins. Here's a chance to check for yourself.
On January 6th compare to the temperature 5 years ago and see if it's warmer now. :haha:

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Oh, those are wind chill temperatures but you can easily calculate the wind chill.

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Well if you want to be lazy I guess you can use the chart.

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Gravdigr • Dec 9, 2018 8:25 am
A sixteenth, maybe an eighth inch of ice on urrthang this morning.

Not especially cold though.

I think more ice is coming, changing to snow.
Gravdigr • Dec 19, 2018 11:17 am
Lost two fair-sized limbs outta the pine tree, three smaller.

Left a pretty good hole.

_______________________________

Looking for a white Christmas?

Keep looking:

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Clodfobble • Dec 19, 2018 8:01 pm
Pfft. "Not Likely" indeed. High this weekend is 71 degrees.
Gravdigr • Dec 20, 2018 1:14 pm
I wonder if BigV noticed the tornado in Seattle?

I hope he's still in Kansas, so-to-speak, and not in Oz.
BigV • Dec 22, 2018 3:42 pm
Gravdigr;1021441 wrote:
I wonder if BigV noticed the tornado in Seattle?

I hope he's still in Kansas, so-to-speak, and not in Oz.


I'm still here.

I can't say the same for various pieces of about 400 structures in the area where the tornado touched down, which, if you're curious, is about five miles from where I live, as the house flies.
Griff • Dec 22, 2018 3:53 pm
Hoping to keep this but it was upper fifties yesterday.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 23, 2018 1:44 am
We've had the 2nd wettest year since they've been keeping track. The thunder last night startled me enough to look to see if there had been an accident out front. My clay yard is a giant slip 'n slide and I'm rusting.
I keep telling myself, better than snow, better than snow. :facepalm:
Griff • Dec 23, 2018 10:33 am
It's going to be quite a mud festival here by spring. The water table is so high my driveway getting very lake like.
Gravdigr • Dec 23, 2018 1:17 pm
BigV;1021559 wrote:
...about five miles from where I live, as the house flies.


And about 612 miles as the house flies fly.:p:

Glad you're good. It's good to be good.
Griff • Dec 24, 2018 11:20 am
Grifftopia Christmas is today and we have snow!
Gravdigr • Dec 24, 2018 2:40 pm
Ima have me a green Christmas, looks like.:joint:
fargon • Dec 27, 2018 12:13 pm
It's raining all the snow is gone. Snow storm tomorrow. And I had a very Green Christmas.
Griff • Dec 27, 2018 6:09 pm
We have snow right now but rain is coming.
Gravdigr • Dec 27, 2018 10:56 pm
We got wind. Limbs everywhere. I dodged two garbage bins on the way home, one in the road, and one that was traveling.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 31, 2018 1:17 am
We just past the shortest day of the year up here while the Aussies just past their longest.
Now their shortest day and our longest happens in late June and for us that's usually before the real hot weather
happens in the two months following the longest. For their sake I hope they don't follow that pattern. :eek:
Gravdigr • Dec 31, 2018 1:24 pm
Fuck that. Sideways.

W/a [strike]dessicated[/strike] desiccated dingo's dick.
Gravdigr • Dec 31, 2018 1:26 pm
Now I'm hot.
Clodfobble • Dec 31, 2018 2:02 pm
Wow. Mardie's all-time record of 50.5 Celsius translates into 122.9 degrees Fahrenheit. That's nuts.
Griff • Dec 31, 2018 2:24 pm
I'm not cool with that.
Gravdigr • Dec 31, 2018 3:16 pm
It's positively raining buckets, rfn.

It's really coming down.
Griff • Dec 31, 2018 5:17 pm
soggy here as well, Benny's New Years Day ride gonna be muddy
tw • Dec 31, 2018 5:50 pm
Gravdigr;1022169 wrote:
It's really coming down.


Actually that is good. Be concerned when it's really coming up.
Diaphone Jim • Jan 1, 2019 12:26 pm
This is so current, it should self-destruct.
Today the waning crescent moon and Venus are very close together and Venus is near her brightest.
Right now (9:21 AM PST) the moon is easy to spot near the meridian (straight up).
Just to its left (on the convex side) and about one finger's width is Venus.
If you have your distance glasses on, you can see Venus in the daylight using the moon for a guide.
Tomorrow will work, too.
Happy New Year
Gravdigr • Jan 1, 2019 5:59 pm
tw;1022180 wrote:
Actually that is good. Be concerned when it's really coming up.


:D

It was! I had more water standing/running on my yard than I've seen in a long time.


Venus during mid-day woulda been cool.
Happy Monkey • Jan 13, 2019 3:31 pm
First shovelable snow of the winter in DC.


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fargon • Jan 13, 2019 4:07 pm
So you got all my snow, you can have it.
Griff • Jan 13, 2019 4:39 pm
We went North to ski today. Only an inch or two at home.
tw • Jan 14, 2019 12:57 am
Happy Monkey;1023067 wrote:
First shovelable snow of the winter in DC.

'bout time. You were starting to get a little chubby.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 14, 2019 12:57 am
I got a couple inches but it'll be gone soon. Next Sunday they're saying snow all day, 8 to 11. :(
Griff • Jan 14, 2019 7:04 am
How are you for bread and milk. :)
Gravdigr • Jan 14, 2019 8:30 am
xoxoxoBruce;1023092 wrote:
I got a couple inches but it'll be gone soon.


Don't tell me, ya made to the end of the porn flick...
glatt • Jan 14, 2019 9:26 am
Maybe a foot?
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Gravdigr • Jan 14, 2019 9:30 am
Do not want.
BigV • Jan 15, 2019 12:21 am
Same here brother.
Griff • Jan 15, 2019 7:34 am
Imma need shear bolts for the weekend.
Gravdigr • Jan 15, 2019 2:15 pm
Plow?
Gravdigr • Jan 15, 2019 5:53 pm
:lol2:

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Griff • Jan 16, 2019 8:18 am
Gravdigr;1023239 wrote:
Plow?


Snowblower. Winter is coming.
Gravdigr • Jan 16, 2019 11:24 am
Blower.:smack: I was thinking snow plow.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 17, 2019 12:50 am
Well she drives the plow, then afterward when she comes to collect her money... nevermind. :rolleyes:
Gravdigr • Jan 17, 2019 2:30 pm
He can't pay, so she shears his bolt off?:eek:
Griff • Jan 18, 2019 7:50 am
12" - 20" we'll see what this weekend turns into. She wants 20" guess we'll have to do it 7 times!;)
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 18, 2019 9:52 am
Only 7? Go Studly, you beast! Image
Griff • Jan 21, 2019 7:55 am
-10 F at wakeup this morning. We did get a short xc ski in but ouchie...
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 21, 2019 10:50 am
10 degrees with a wind chill of 6 below. Brrr, back to sleep. Image
They only way to ignore the cold is to fornicate. :yesnod:
Gravdigr • Jan 21, 2019 11:50 am
Low-mid 20s last few days. Day before yesterday we had rain and 58. The temp went to China, the rain went to an eighth-inch of ice bymorning, and in the afternoon/evening we got an inch-and-a-half of snow.

25 atm.

&#9834; &#9835;It's like a heatwave&#9834; &#9835;
Reign Campo • Jan 21, 2019 8:57 pm
Here in the Philippines the weather is partly Cloudy with 31°C | °F so its nice jog a little.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 22, 2019 12:51 am
Yeah, but it's a humid 88 F. :haha:
Griff • Jan 22, 2019 8:20 am
We're hanging at 3F but the skiing's better than in the Philippines.
Gravdigr • Jan 22, 2019 1:58 pm
Griff;1023836 wrote:
We're hanging at 3F but the skiing's better than in the Philippines.


Have you tried skiing in the Philippines?:eyebrow:

:p:
Griff • Jan 22, 2019 2:15 pm
Fair criticism. :)
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 25, 2019 4:42 pm
Madison, WI, this week.
Griff • Jan 25, 2019 5:13 pm
Naturally, the Vienna Waltz popped into my head when I saw those trucks.
lumberjim • Jan 30, 2019 2:48 pm
Alert! My phone chirps!

Snow squall warning!

Woooshh!

It's snowing! Image
Gravdigr • Jan 30, 2019 2:51 pm
The hell you say.
glatt • Jan 30, 2019 4:40 pm
Guys, it feels like winter out there.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 30, 2019 11:22 pm
I was in the supermarket this afternoon and when I got to the checkout it was snowing like a bitch. 75% of my shit rung up and bagged the power goes off. Only off for a couple minutes(they probably have emergency generators) and everything comes back on... except my register. The register ramrod takes all the stuff to another register un-bags, rings up, and re-bags in short order but by now there's a half inch of snow on my truck. Load up all the bags and it stops snowing as soon as I put it in gear.

Chicago was talking -10 F (-23.3 C) with wind chills of -44 F(-42.2 C) today, and -25 F (-32.7 C) tonight. The post office halted mail delivery in parts of Michigan, Iowa, Minnesota, North and South Dakota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and Pennsylvania today. No telling how long for. Image
sexobon • Jan 31, 2019 12:26 am
Maybe you'll get a frost quake.

[SIZE="3"]Yes, 'Frost Quakes' Are A Real Thing In Pennsylvania[/SIZE]
Griff • Jan 31, 2019 7:15 am
-12F ouchie bro
Gravdigr • Jan 31, 2019 11:17 am
We made 11 last night.

Everything I have hurts.
Happy Monkey • Jan 31, 2019 11:48 am
My car said 9 while I was driving home last night. And my heat had been off all day at home.

Luckily, I'm surrounded on 2 sides, plus the top and bottom, by other condos whose heat I had leeched sufficiently that it was only in the low 60s when I got there.
Glinda • Jan 31, 2019 11:58 am
Sosúa, Dominican Republic

Temp: 81F
Humidity: 73% (gawd)
Mostly cloudy

Possibly the most tolerable weather since I arrived (humidity is a bitch).
Gravdigr • Jan 31, 2019 12:14 pm
Just for kicks I just checked the temperature of my tap water and my water bottle in the fridge.

Tap water 46 degrees.
Water from fridge 39.
tw • Jan 31, 2019 8:27 pm
Lakes around here once froze many inches every winter. Even with this mild cold snap, only a light ice layer exists. Which is more than some recent winters. It rarely gets cold anyone. A day (or two) of -17 degree C once was a normal winter.

But then we would walk ten miles to school every day.
lumberjim • Jan 31, 2019 8:33 pm
Glinda;1024592 wrote:
Sosúa, Dominican Republic



Temp: 81F

Humidity: 73% (gawd)

Mostly cloudy



Possibly the most tolerable weather since I arrived (humidity is a bitch).
I'm going there, dammit.

Or somewhere warm. Just put in for vacation Feb 10th. Amanda just needs to pick a place already
Undertoad • Jan 31, 2019 8:37 pm
It was 2 on the early commute. When I started the car, the stereo didn't switch on. After the car warmed up a little, I had a chance to turn the whole car off and back on. The stereo came on, but it lost its presets.
lumberjim • Jan 31, 2019 10:43 pm
She picked the florida keys. Key west. Cool. Margaritaville it is.

Might not be swimming warm, but hopefully it'll be nice. I don't usually trust the forecast beyond 3 days, but this is a good sign :

Image

I could do with a bit of abundant sunshine

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xoxoxoBruce • Feb 1, 2019 2:21 am
I was driving a bunch of back roads in Lancaster County tonight. Over hill and dale the temperature varied between 0-F and +3-F. That's fine but I worried about a lot of stretches of road that were wet? At 10% salt, ice melts at 20°F(-6°C), 20% salt it's 2°F(-16C). That tells me the water running off that road into the fields and streams is at least six times saltier than the ocean. That can't be good for crops or fish.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 3, 2019 6:49 am
Winter is tough on waterfalls ...
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And animals...
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xoxoxoBruce • Feb 4, 2019 7:01 am
This scary ice...
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Gravdigr • Feb 6, 2019 10:10 am
Yesterday it was 60 degrees at ten minutes til eight.

This morning at ten minutes til seven, it was 65.

:yelsick:
fargon • Feb 17, 2019 10:16 pm
I thought that fucking rat said we were gonna get an early spring, this is the only spring I see around any corner.
fargon • Feb 17, 2019 10:25 pm
Snow Sux
fargon • Feb 17, 2019 10:29 pm
I don't know why it does that. Rotate the picture 90 o/o to the right. Thank You
Gravdigr • Feb 18, 2019 11:32 am
Holding the phone wrong.
Undertoad • Feb 18, 2019 1:09 pm
There ya go

Image

What?
fargon • Feb 18, 2019 1:17 pm
Some pictures it loads strait, some it loads sideways. My Computer is possessed.
fargon • Feb 18, 2019 1:23 pm
the picture wants to be weird. the picture is Possessed.
Undertoad • Feb 18, 2019 1:24 pm
It's really the siding that's wrong.
BigV • Feb 18, 2019 9:13 pm
Undertoad;1026025 wrote:
It's really the siding that's wrong.


and the fact that the rotated pic is now 180 from reality
fargon • Feb 18, 2019 9:16 pm
BigV;1026047 wrote:
and the fact that the rotated pic is now 180 from reality


What is reality?
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 19, 2019 1:28 am
180 from your picture. :haha:
Gravdigr • Feb 19, 2019 2:01 pm
fargon;1026048 wrote:
What is reality?


&#9834; &#9835;What is love?&#9834; &#9835;
Glinda • Feb 19, 2019 5:32 pm
Currently 38 degrees and raining. Girding my loins to drive up the damned mountain to feed a client's cat. It'll probably be snowing up there. *sigh*
Gravdigr • Feb 20, 2019 10:14 am
I feel like I'm in Waterworld, or something. It's been raining buckets for three days, showing no sign of letting up. I got water standing in my back yard, my front yard, one side yard.

So I know water is standing under my house, too.
tw • Feb 20, 2019 10:49 am
Gravdigr;1026186 wrote:
So I know water is standing under my house, too.

In bare feet?


Never mind.
Gravdigr • Feb 20, 2019 11:35 am
Not only that, but it ran under there!

I hope water ain't expecting service dressed like that.
Gravdigr • Feb 21, 2019 9:49 am
Well, there's a big ball of fire in the eastern sky this fine morning. It's beautiful and bright.

It's bright enough to light up those big purple-blue clouds on the western horizon. The ones filled with yet more rain.:(

I think I heard the weatherbunny right: Our normal Feb precipitation is a little over 4 inches. We're a little over eight, atm, I think. Ima hafta check those numbers.

ETA: 8.1 inches of rain and .3 inches of snow. Accuweather (usually pretty accu) is calling for 2.5 inches of rain tomorrow.

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Gravdigr • Feb 21, 2019 10:11 am
Ima start my ark tonight. Anybody know where I can get some Gopher wood?
fargon • Feb 21, 2019 12:41 pm
Gravdigr;1026280 wrote:
Anybody know where I can get some Gopher wood?

Use Cypress.
Gravdigr • Feb 21, 2019 1:20 pm
Ok.

Now, I don't know how long this rain is gonna last, I'm gonna need beer.

And weed. A lot of weed.
Glinda • Feb 22, 2019 1:23 pm
Just started snowing here. Not expected to stick. Good!

On and off rain and snow predicted for the next three or four days. Bah!
Glinda • Feb 22, 2019 2:46 pm
Glinda;1026398 wrote:
Just started snowing here. Not expected to stick. Good!


I should know better than to trust the %$#@! weather dudes.

Image

:eyebrow:
Gravdigr • Feb 23, 2019 10:19 am
Water, water everywhere
Nor any drop to drink
fargon • Feb 24, 2019 9:01 am
I don't want to talk about snow.
tw • Feb 24, 2019 11:31 am
fargon;1026557 wrote:
I don't want to talk about snow.

Spend less time talking and more time shoveling.
Gravdigr • Feb 24, 2019 12:40 pm
Trot on up there, TW, and show him how it's done.
tw • Feb 24, 2019 10:25 pm
Gravdigr;1026579 wrote:
Trot on up there, TW, and show him how it's done.
I went up there following his trail marked by bread crumbs. Unfortunately, he used white bread.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 24, 2019 11:20 pm
In only 31 years...
glatt • Feb 25, 2019 7:54 am
Try last year. Precipitation was pretty bad in 2018.
Undertoad • Feb 25, 2019 8:06 am
*based on projections that have been wildly wrong before and cherry-picking the probabilities that will scare you because that's what everyone is trying to do

Precipitation AND water deficit. Kay. But right next to each other?
Griff • Feb 25, 2019 8:16 am
Today is another dangerous wind day here. I'd posit that we've already crossed into a new normal for wind and precipitation. I'm continuing my wind mitigation tree planting here this spring.
Griff • Feb 25, 2019 8:23 am
Undertoad;1026661 wrote:


Precipitation AND water deficit. Kay. But right next to each other?


[Wild ass guess], the increased rain, ice, and snow I'm seeing is often from the SE, ocean water. The drying lands to my West are dependent on prevailing winds from the west carrying moisture. [/WAG]
fargon • Feb 25, 2019 8:53 am
xoxoxoBruce;1026645 wrote:
In only 31 years...


According to the map in post #1709. La Crosse Wi is going to have warming. It's 2F rite now on my patio. Winter sux, and I can't open my window.:mecry:
Undertoad • Feb 25, 2019 9:17 am
Why do they use RCP 8.5?

Because it's the worst case projection... most likely to scare you
Gravdigr • Feb 25, 2019 12:24 pm
Griff;1026663 wrote:
I'd posit that we've already crossed into a new normal for wind and precipitation.


We're in the same situation. I've noticed the past few years, we've gotten more rain during what were drier times of the year.

And for the past two years we've had an increase in winds that is easily noticeable.
Clodfobble • Feb 25, 2019 3:17 pm
Undertoad wrote:
Precipitation AND water deficit. Kay. But right next to each other?


Not arguing the validity of the chart, as I know nothing about it. But for what it's worth, flooding and drought frequently go hand-in-hand around here. What happens is the drought makes the dirt hard and packed, so when the rain eventually comes it takes longer to soak into the ground and becomes runoff instead. Once the street drains are overrun, you're fucked--even a normal rain can turn into a damaging flood, especially if an area has been overly developed with too much impervious cover (i.e., non-absorbent concrete covering most of the ground instead of leaving enough open fields.)
Undertoad • Feb 25, 2019 5:12 pm
Drought and water deficit are two different kinda dots, and I'd expect precipitation doesn't mean flooding. Most of the specified area is rural - Appalachian mountains, hilly and forested.

None of it really matters because RCP 8.5 is an extreme and unlikely scenario. Widespread use of RCP 8.5 discredits climate science.
Happy Monkey • Feb 25, 2019 5:54 pm
Undertoad;1026661 wrote:
Precipitation AND water deficit. Kay. But right next to each other?


Here's the border between precipitation and drought/water deficit.
Happy Monkey • Feb 25, 2019 6:10 pm
Undertoad;1026666 wrote:
Why do they use RCP 8.5?


wikipedia wrote:
The RCPs are consistent with a wide range of possible changes in future anthropogenic (i.e., human) greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, and aim to represent their atmospheric concentrations. RCP 2.6 assumes that global annual GHG emissions (measured in CO2-equivalents) peak between 2010–2020, with emissions declining substantially thereafter. Emissions in RCP 4.5 peak around 2040, then decline. In RCP 6, emissions peak around 2080, then decline. In RCP 8.5, emissions continue to rise throughout the 21st century.
Seems like the correct one to use when saying "if we don't reverse the trend..." The critique of 8.5 mentioned on that page is "we'll run out of fossil fuels altogether before we get there." I'm not sure whether that's an optimistic or pessimistic critique, but it's not one that's useful to argue against weaning ourselves off of fossil fuels.
Undertoad • Feb 25, 2019 6:50 pm
Never use Wikipedia for any topic that is in any way political.
Happy Monkey • Feb 25, 2019 7:22 pm
However, do use Wikipedia instead of absolutely nothing.

Another random site I found has more criticisms.

But they mostly are still of the sort "things can't possibly keep getting worse indefinitely."
Undertoad • Feb 25, 2019 7:35 pm
How would you arrive at that via Curry's page?

RCP 8.5 "assumes the fastest population growth (a doubling of Earth&#8217;s population to 12 billion), the lowest rate of technology development, slow GDP growth, a massive increase in world poverty, plus high energy use and emissions."

World poverty is decreasing rapidly... innovation in solar and storage and efficiency continue. Emissions in developed countries are kinda flat. The only way you could accomplish that fallback would be with widespread Communism and even that seems to have fallen out of favor in most of the developing world.
tw • Feb 26, 2019 11:22 am
Undertoad;1026714 wrote:
The only way you could accomplish that fallback would be with widespread Communism and even that seems to have fallen out of favor in most of the developing world.


Amazing how right wing extremists promote that defeatist concept. For the same reason that ant-American right wing extremists in the 1960s said that mileage standards would force everyone to only drive Ford Pintos. Extremists feed on fear and lies.

The tiniest Ford (a Pinto), back then only got 18 MPG. And most larger cars only got 8 or 10 MPG. Why do all my Hondas do 30 or 40 MPG? Innovation by patriotic Americans - in this case Japanese citizens.

Put $30 of gasoline in a car. How many dollars of gasoline actually move the car? About $4. Obviously there is plenty of room for innovation. But extremists fear what moderates do - innovate.
Happy Monkey • Feb 26, 2019 1:58 pm
Undertoad;1026714 wrote:
RCP 8.5 "assumes the fastest population growth (a doubling of Earth’s population to 12 billion)
That's less than double, and it's almost doubled in my lifetime, during most of which had China enforcing a one child policy.
, the lowest rate of technology development,
Rate of technology development is not intrinsically tied to reduction in pollution. New technologies can be very polluting. Cryptocurrency, for example, only increases pollution. Cell phones (and, heck, pretty much every consumer product) have moved more toward disposability with every generation. If they make the phone so that it can last a week on a single charge, that energy efficiency is offset when you throw it in the trash after its nonreplaceable battery dies (or, worse, when the new model comes out).
slow GDP growth,
As likely as not, especially in the context of everything else in the model.
a massive increase in world poverty,
That was in the summary of the article, but wasn't mentioned in the body.
plus high energy use and emissions."
check and check.

This paragraph exemplifies the objection to 8.5, in my view:
judithcurry.com wrote:
RCP8.5 assumes no decarbonization of world power sources from new technology (e.g., solar, wind, fission, fusion) or regulations to reduce not just climate change but also air pollution and toxic waste. Although possible, how likely is this? For example, use of solar and wind is skyrocketing as these technologies improve.

Hopefully, yeah, but when the discussion is whether or not to push renewables and environmental regulation, at least one of the models ought to assume we don't. Otherwise it's just "we don't need to do it because the future people in the model will do it for us."
Undertoad • Feb 26, 2019 6:32 pm
Judith Curry is one of the most prominent skeptical scientists on AGW. Cherry-pick the page at will I considered linking it but didn't have the audacity to do it! I'm not linking the top skeptics! :lol:

Still, anyone just reading this exchange about it, will now understand a few things they didn't know before:

A) RCP 8.5 is an economic and social model, more than a climate model.

B) It's one of several models about how the world may go in the future.

C) It's the most pessimistic model; which, according to the Curry page, paragraph #1, is "a useful worst-case scenario, but not 'business as usual'".

D) All media stories and infographics and similar "climate porn" will invoke the shit out of it, and not mention the other models.

E) Doing that is disrespectful to the science, and anti-informative to the reader.

Good thread!
Happy Monkey • Feb 26, 2019 6:56 pm
E is false and does not follow from any of the previous items.
Undertoad • Feb 26, 2019 7:18 pm
:lol: eat up your tasty helpings of FaKe NeWs :lol:

Here's a balanced Atlantic article on RCP 8.5.
Happy Monkey • Feb 26, 2019 8:08 pm
The current definition of "fake news" is "news Trump doesn't want to be broadcast", which, to the extent it has any relationship to accuracy at all, is a positive relationship.

Yes, I saw that Atlantic article when googling for articles that had criticisms of RCP 8.5, but went with the one that had more explicit criticisms.

This stood out to me, though:
Rob Jackson via the Atlantic wrote:
&#8220;Even some [of the scenarios] for 3 degrees Celsius assume that at some point in the next 50 years, we will have large-scale industrial activities to remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere,&#8221; he said. &#8220;It&#8217;s a very dangerous game, I think. We&#8217;re assuming that this thing we can&#8217;t do today will somehow be possible and cheaper in the future. I believe in tech, but I don&#8217;t believe in magic.&#8221;
It's all fine and dandy to assume that technology will improve, but to build into the model that a particular technology will be possible, developed, and funded by future people at a worldwide scale is a pretty big assumption in itself. If that assumption is built into any RCPs <8.5, then I don't see how 8.5 any less realistic than them. Trump is reducing efficiency standards and deleting the words "climate change" from scientific reports.

And, of course, just as with the "we'll run out of fossil fuels" criticism from the Wikipedia page, it's not a critique that can be used effectively by AGW skeptics. If the claim is that we don't need to do something, you don't use a model where the assumption is that we do it.
Undertoad • Feb 26, 2019 9:28 pm
My definition of fake news is news that applies a biased, bogus, or activist narrative. If you ever see me use the term, that is what I mean by it.

to build into the model that a particular technology will be possible, developed, and funded by future people at a worldwide scale is a pretty big assumption in itself


You'll be stunned, then, to learn how well this is coming along, and how quickly. It's easily possible, a simple chemical reaction does it, and this has been developed already. It's a hair away from a business model at this stage.

NPR Story on one company who does it, Carbon Engineering
Happy Monkey • Feb 27, 2019 11:25 am
The term already has too many definitions; Before Trump co-opted it, it was actual fake news, i.e. stuff Romanian teens made up and put on websites designed to look like real newspapers, and before that, it was stuff like "the Onion", and now it's just news that Trump doesn't like.

There's nothing stopping you from making up your own definition, I guess (like Humpty Dumpty using 'glory' to mean 'a nice, knock-down argument'), but "biased' and 'fake' are not synonyms in common parlance.
Undertoad • Feb 27, 2019 6:14 pm
i'm sure my definition will find its way into the parlance

Columbia Journalism Review: "How much confidence do you have in the press?"

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Happy Monkey • Feb 27, 2019 6:34 pm
That's glory for you I guess.
tw • Feb 28, 2019 1:37 pm
Undertoad;1026883 wrote:
"How much confidence do you have in the press?"

So where is the study once obvious propaganda sources (National Inquirer, Fox News, the local (5 and 6 PM) gossip, etc are removed? Real news never appeals to the emotional. It states facts that are confirmed. Many so called new sources (scandal sheet, News of the World, talk show hosts, etc) did not and are not required to do that.

Eliminating many news source that clearly are only propaganda should massively change those numbers.
zippyt • Feb 28, 2019 10:12 pm
Whats my current weather , Fucken CRAPPY !!!!
30s windy rainy ( i work out side a LOT )
BUTTTTT ,,,,,, in 30 days ill be on a beach in Costarica !!!!
Gravdigr • Feb 28, 2019 10:17 pm
:devil:
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 1, 2019 1:18 am
&#9835; Champagne don't hurt me baby
&#9834; Cocaine don't drive me crazy
&#9835; Ain't nobody's business but mine
&#9834; Way down in Costa Rica
&#9835; Smoke my hash and drink my liquor
&#9834; Ain't nobody's business but mine

:thumb2:
Griff • Mar 1, 2019 7:46 am
Get after it Zip!
Gravdigr • Mar 3, 2019 1:13 pm
It is snowing atm.

Big fluffy goose feathers.





ETA: BIG, fluffy gooth featherth.
Gravdigr • Mar 3, 2019 1:17 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1027006 wrote:
&#9835; Champagne don't hurt me baby
&#9834; Cocaine don't drive me crazy
&#9835; Ain't nobody's business but mine
&#9834; Way down in Costa Rica
&#9835; Smoke my hash and drink my liquor
&#9834; Ain't nobody's business but mine

:thumb2:


For the second time, that has reminded me of this:

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Glinda • Mar 3, 2019 1:24 pm
It's 36 degrees outside according to my digital outdoor temp reader, but the wind from the Gorge is blowing like hell. Weather dudes say the "feels like" temp is about 17. Gah. I can't imagine what it feels like on top of that stupid mountain I have to visit this afternoon.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 3, 2019 1:36 pm
&#9835; Go chill it on the mountain
&#9834; Go freeze it on the mountain
&#9835; Go tell it on the mountain
&#9834; That Glinda ain't be scared
Gravdigr • Mar 3, 2019 1:38 pm
It was raining and 36 here a minute ago.

Gravdigr: "Boy, I'm sure glad that ain't snow."

Snow: "Fuck you.":nadkick:
Glinda • Mar 3, 2019 1:42 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1027263 wrote:
&#9835; Go chill it on the mountain
&#9834; Go freeze it on the mountain
&#9835; Go tell it on the mountain
&#9834; That Glinda ain't be scared


Not when I've got my good ol' Silverado to get me there and back! I'm so tired of this job (a whole month of daily visits - a 35-mile round trip) - the owners are due back on Thursday. Thank ghod!
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 3, 2019 1:45 pm
But you've done such a wonderful job they'll be sure to use you next time, every time, all the time. Image
Glinda • Mar 3, 2019 1:47 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1027269 wrote:
But you've done such a wonderful job they'll be sure to use you next time, every time, all the time. Image


Yay? :(
BigV • Mar 3, 2019 2:06 pm
still patches of snow on the ground here in the shadier areas
parking lots have huge berms of snow where it was plowed into piles
third coldest Feb on record, 20 inches of snow and avg temp 36 deg

it's nice (now) if you're out walking with a purpose, but I am looking forward to spring
Griff • Mar 3, 2019 4:02 pm
Still, overcast, and hovering around freezing. Feels weirdish.
fargon • Mar 3, 2019 7:19 pm
1.5 F and feet of snow on the ground. Winter Sux.
Griff • Mar 4, 2019 7:15 am
picked up +- 6" last night, very fluffly
slang • Mar 4, 2019 7:29 am
.

Conversion


Mountain living. Better than the lowlands.
Gravdigr • Mar 4, 2019 1:04 pm
It was 21F when I got up this morning.

Brr.
fargon • Mar 4, 2019 8:32 pm
it was -5F this morning when I got up.
Gravdigr • Mar 4, 2019 10:57 pm
[size=4]ƒ[/size]ucking brr.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 5, 2019 12:08 am
It's suppose to get above freezing on Friday afternoon. :rolleyes:
Griff • Mar 5, 2019 7:20 am
fargon;1027414 wrote:
it was -5F this morning when I got up.


ouchie bro
fargon • Mar 5, 2019 2:33 pm
Rite now it's 27F.
Gravdigr • Mar 5, 2019 3:50 pm
Heat wave here too. 36 degrees and sunny.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 6, 2019 1:45 am
When the wind comes rolling down the plain...
Griff • Mar 6, 2019 7:21 am
5 F at ski time this am
tw • Mar 6, 2019 8:52 am
Is this a discussion for Congressmen? So much discussion about the weather. And nobody has yet to do anything about it?
Gravdigr • Mar 6, 2019 12:46 pm
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It was 20 degrees when I got up this morning. Looks like it's gonna be a bluebird day, though.
fargon • Mar 6, 2019 12:55 pm
It's 33F on my patio right now. It was 7F this morning when I fed the Cats. It is supposed to get progressively warmer this week the mid 40's next week. I'm ready to break out the shorts and sandals.
fargon • Mar 6, 2019 1:08 pm
I got Mr Heater to light yesterday, so Yay. I'll see if I can find a Picture.
Gravdigr • Mar 6, 2019 1:10 pm
fargon;1027595 wrote:
Mr Heater


Patio heater?

Or one of these?

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fargon • Mar 6, 2019 1:46 pm
Patio heater it mounts on a 20lb tank. This is what I have.
https://www.farmandfleet.com/products/739416-mr-heater-single-tank-top-propane-heater.html?feedsource=3&gclid=CjwKCAiA_P3jBRAqEiwAZyWWaIUykwzLBm4cqD-39mDxthGsiQxu9dPFGpUhcSpxzzpNTxcB_483ehoCKRcQAvD_BwE
Gravdigr • Mar 6, 2019 3:54 pm
I think Popdigr has one of those, a two-burner.
slang • Mar 6, 2019 5:46 pm
Griff;1027536 wrote:
5 F at ski time this am


Was it enjoyable?

Is the snow better at that temperature? Er, I mean ice.

At what temp might you decide it's too cold?
Griff • Mar 7, 2019 7:29 am
We xc skied at, I think, -15F once this year that was too cold. We used to use wooden skis so we'd end up fussing with waxes until we nailed it. This snow is a little weird. It fell very light and fluffy but it adheres to itself. It is unfortunately not on top of any decent cover so you have occasional rocks and ice patches. The snow doesn't blow around enough to refill the tracks so the base remains sketchy.

Was it enjoyable? It was kinda meh because we can't ski the mix of terrain we want to and the snow has poor kick.
slang • Mar 7, 2019 8:44 am
Griff;1027650 wrote:
We xc skied at, I think, -15F once this year that was too cold. We used to use wooden skis so we'd end up fussing with waxes until we nailed it. This snow is a little weird. It fell very light and fluffy but it adheres to itself. It is unfortunately not on top of any decent cover so you have occasional rocks and ice patches. The snow doesn't blow around enough to refill the tracks so the base remains sketchy.


That does sound cold. Too cold for me. As an adult(ish) anyway.

I don't even think about snow much any more but your description brings back fond memories of our teenage, winter, all night mild mayhem weekends on round top park. 1982.

The sting of the cold air in our lungs was sharp. All skin had to be covered. You surely needed a full snowsuit. None of us had any body fat back then. :lol:

We had ATCs, skiis, toboggans and dirt bikes all running around by moon light. We had just about everything cept a horse there.

Guys would pull the sleds around with the ATCs. They'd wipe out, get back up and do it again. We'd laugh ourselves to tears.

We'd watch the skiers go down the back hill, then pull them back up. There were downhill and uphill tracks in the snow.

We would set up a kitchen in one of the pavilions. Someone there was always cooking hot dogs or something to eat on the grills.

There were guys shooting 22 pistols at cans on the pond over here, and people drinking whiskey and dancing crazy over there. Everyone was doing their thing in with no problems or hassles. Not even from the police.

I remember the bite of the cold most. Hands, feet, nose, eyes. Body parts don't work as well. Wear a ski mask with a cloth over your nose and mouth underneath. Just to be able to breath in warmer air.

And the laughing. To the point that your ribs would hurt. That you'd have to lay down in the snow just to straighten out.

Completely unsupervised rural teen weekend vehicular fun. There was no permanent damage to the park. There were no fatalities or even serious injuries. Not even pregnancies ( that I know of :blush: )

Wow, those were cool times. That was back when cold weather was fun for me.

Rural Pennsylvania. Early 80s. Honda XL500s
BigV • Mar 7, 2019 10:44 am
Love your story slang, thanks!

Here, snow again. Slippery trip to work.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 7, 2019 4:31 pm
Griff;1027650 wrote:
This snow is a little weird. It fell very light and fluffy but it adheres to itself. It is unfortunately not on top of any decent cover so you have occasional rocks and ice patches. The snow doesn't blow around enough to refill the tracks so the base remains sketchy.

I was out in Lancaster county last night and the light fine snow had blown across the road in spots with flat fields on both sides. It wasn't much, probably not over a quarter inch but as soon as a car drove across it instantly turned to ice. Not black ice but hard to see from a distance. The spots this occurred were often at the corner of fields, coincidentally that's the same place the road often changes direction.
Hey, don't worry, it's only icy at the corners. :haha: Very weird, never seen that before
Griff • Mar 7, 2019 6:07 pm
@ slang is that the high ground that had an Indian Castle on it in pre-Revolutionary times?

1982 rural PA was pretty sweet. Pond hockey, snowmobiles, and underage drinking!
Glinda • Mar 7, 2019 7:59 pm
slang;1027659 wrote:
That does sound cold. Too cold for me. As an adult(ish) anyway.

I don't even think about snow much any more but your description brings back fond memories of our teenage, winter, all night mild mayhem weekends on round top park. 1982.

The sting of the cold air in our lungs was sharp. All skin had to be covered. You surely needed a full snowsuit. None of us had any body fat back then. :lol:

We had ATCs, skiis, toboggans and dirt bikes all running around by moon light. We had just about everything cept a horse there.

Guys would pull the sleds around with the ATCs. They'd wipe out, get back up and do it again. We'd laugh ourselves to tears.

We'd watch the skiers go down the back hill, then pull them back up. There were downhill and uphill tracks in the snow.

We would set up a kitchen in one of the pavilions. Someone there was always cooking hot dogs or something to eat on the grills.

There were guys shooting 22 pistols at cans on the pond over here, and people drinking whiskey and dancing crazy over there. Everyone was doing their thing in with no problems or hassles. Not even from the police.

I remember the bite of the cold most. Hands, feet, nose, eyes. Body parts don't work as well. Wear a ski mask with a cloth over your nose and mouth underneath. Just to be able to breath in warmer air.

And the laughing. To the point that your ribs would hurt. That you'd have to lay down in the snow just to straighten out.

Completely unsupervised rural teen weekend vehicular fun. There was no permanent damage to the park. There were no fatalities or even serious injuries. Not even pregnancies ( that I know of :blush: )

Wow, those were cool times. That was back when cold weather was fun for me.

Rural Pennsylvania. Early 80s. Honda XL500s


This sounds very much like the college graduation gift I bought myself in 1984.

It was one of those tourism company pre-packaged college ski trip deals to Jackson Hole. Ah, the memories of that first morning on the slopes.

Negative 24 degrees. Holy shit. :eek:
slang • Mar 7, 2019 10:02 pm
Griff;1027712 wrote:
@ slang is that the high ground that had an Indian Castle on it in pre-Revolutionary times?


There's nothing specific to an Indian Castle that I could find. Maybe "little" round top as Gettysburg? There is a castle there.

They are different, yes. No, I don't think you're a dumbass :lol:

That's how I handle people that mix-match answers to my questions that don't fit.

slang: You think I don't know the difference between apples and oranges. I said I was looking for something on apples. You bring me oranges?

Anyway.

Maybe instead of a castle on round top park, Sullivan's march in 1779? And Fort Sullivan?

"Led by Major General John Sullivan and Brigadier General James Clinton, the expedition was conducted during the summer of 1779, beginning June 18 when the army marched from Easton, Pennsylvania, to October 3 when it abandoned Fort Sullivan, built at Tioga, to return to George Washington's main camp in New Jersey. While the campaign had only one major battle, at Newtown (since the tribes evacuated ahead of the large military force) along the Chemung River in western New York, the expedition severely damaged the Iroquois nations' economies by burning their crops, villages, and chattels, thus ruining the Iroquois technological infrastructure. With the Amerindians' shelter gone and food supplies destroyed, thereafter the strength of the Iroquois Confederacy was broken. The death toll from exposure and starvation dwarfed the casualties received in the Battle of Newtown, in which about 1,000 Iroquois and Loyalists were decisively defeated by an army of 3,200 Continental soldiers."

And this link about Fort Sullivan

"We took our time stopping to read the monuments and reflecting at the sacrifices the soldiers made for our freedom. The Fort was large and encompassed a large area of the neighborhood, including many private properties where private homes sit today."

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slang • Mar 7, 2019 10:05 pm
Griff;1027712 wrote:
1982 rural PA was pretty sweet. Pond hockey, snowmobiles, and underage drinking!


And whole milk. No skim.
slang • Mar 7, 2019 10:06 pm
BigV;1027667 wrote:
Love your story slang, thanks!


:) Thank you.
slang • Mar 7, 2019 10:09 pm
Glinda;1027732 wrote:
Negative 24 degrees. Holy shit. :eek:


Wow, yes. Ah, the things we can tolerate when we're young(er).
Griff • Mar 8, 2019 8:23 am
There was archeology done on one of the hills over near Athens, unrelated to Sullivan or R.E. Lee. ;) I think it's private property today.
slang • Mar 8, 2019 8:30 am
Great.

I'll search Wikipedia, NYT, Wired, Reddit and themillenniumreport.com to see if I can find more info on it.

The issue sounds pretty interesting. It's been a very long time since I've given that place any thought.
Griff • Mar 8, 2019 8:34 am
Good luck! I found a couple vague references to it years ago. Apparently, a fair amount of plowing occurred at the site.
slang • Mar 8, 2019 8:46 am
I found this

https://twipa.blogspot.com/2012/03/beautiful-bradford-county-bradford.html

And some PDFs for $10.
Griff • Mar 8, 2019 9:06 am
Busy little beavers over there.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 8, 2019 9:35 am
Bradford County...
...and in the period from 1850-1900 it led the nation in buckwheat production.

I didn't know there was more than one.
slang • Mar 8, 2019 9:45 am
Probably not what you were thinking of but just 2-3 miles up highway 220 from Round Top. Spanish Hill. Not known to be Indian but may well have been occupied before the Spanish because of it's strategic location and features.

Regardless, it has a pretty nice website. A good place to look through for the history.


Spanish Hill

Many people ask me why the hill is not preserved as a historic site and available for public use. A simple answer to that is that while there were many efforts to preserve the hill - they were not successful and it has remained private property.


It's the private property of a specific family. That specific family is one not to be played with. They are powerful. They can be nasty.

This is how the hill looked in the 1980's - and in this image you can see the clearing of ten acres that was enclosed with earthen embankments that were still visible up until around 100 years ago.

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Some people believe that there is a great spirit today that has a thunderous voice and will put big holes in anyone who dares to go up there. :apistola:
Griff • Mar 8, 2019 10:09 am
That's the place I was thinking of. The Spanish thing seems very unlikely but a Susquehannock fortified town seems reasonable especially with the Iroquois nearby.
slang • Mar 8, 2019 10:27 am
xoxoxoBruce;1027762 wrote:
Bradford County...

I didn't know there was more than one.



Now THERE's a blast from the past. :lol:
slang • Mar 8, 2019 12:00 pm
Griff;1027767 wrote:
That's the place I was thinking of. The Spanish thing seems very unlikely but a Susquehannock fortified town seems reasonable especially with the Iroquois nearby.


I remember seeing steel helmets allegedly excavated from there. That was in the 70s but was pretty cool. Swords and trinket-ey stuff too.

Somewhere in that Link or somewhere in that search exercise it was suggested that the Spanish took over that position after it was long abandoned. Surely by the Indians. That it may have been abandoned by hundreds of years before the Spanish.

I don't get too interested in that place. It has a great history and some very cool things HAVE been excavated from there.

My curiosity was never worth getting blasted though.

A man's got to know his limitations.
Undertoad • Mar 9, 2019 10:52 am
Happy Monkey;1026782 wrote:
Rate of technology development is not intrinsically tied to reduction in pollution.


It isn't. But

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We should be eating 14k KWh per household by now -- but we're only using 12k. Compact fluorescents and LED lighting, says NYT.

NYT story (paywall warning)

20% of the world's electricity is used for lighting. Eventually it will be 4%, because LED.

How huge is this? Massive! During the day, energy for lighting is needed exactly as solar becomes unavailable. (thanks again to glatt for linking that CA daily energy supply/demand website)

The electricity saved from this will now be able to power more electric cars, without additional coal plants. Then oil use goes down. And due to globalization, all these innovations take effect in a decade, and are shared worldwide as quickly as possible.

Why not be optimistic?

(cue music) &#9834; This is how we do it &#9835;
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 9, 2019 11:42 am
Undertoad;1027824 wrote:

During the day, energy for lighting is needed exactly as solar becomes unavailable.

Say what?
Hmm... At the end of the day... At night... During the dark part of the day... During the night part of the day?
Nevermind, just awkward. :blush:
Undertoad • Mar 9, 2019 11:49 am
:D during the cycle of the day. or something
Gravdigr • Mar 9, 2019 12:23 pm
Fucking dusk
Happy Monkey • Mar 9, 2019 12:30 pm
Undertoad;1027824 wrote:
20% of the world's electricity is used for lighting. Eventually it will be 4%, because LED.
That transition caused a lot of complaints and bellyaching, and Trump is moving backwards on it.
Why not be optimistic?
Because a lot of the reasons for optimism are things pushed for, advocated for, incentivized, and subsidized by policies intended to combat climate change.


Like the carbon recapture plants you mentioned earlier. One of their sources of funding (I have no idea what percentage) is from the Climate Change and Emissions Management Corporation (CCEMC), which is technically privately funded, but:
Funding for CCEMC is collected from industry. Since 2007, Alberta companies that annually produce more than 100,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions over a baseline are legally required to reduce their greenhouse gas intensity by 12 per cent. Companies have three options to meet their reduction target: improve the efficiency of their operations, buy carbon credits in the Alberta-based offset system or pay $15 into the Climate Change and Emissions Management Fund for every tonne over the reduction limit. The CCEMC invests the money collected in clean technology.



Hope for the best, plan for the worst. Because planning for the worst helps make the best more likely.
tw • Mar 9, 2019 1:51 pm
Undertoad;1027824 wrote:
20% of the world's electricity is used for lighting. Eventually it will be 4%, because LED.

One would think so using some assumption - that were used for over a century. IEEE Spectrum (long ago) debunked that assumption. What happens when lights and electricity get cheaper? The number of lights increase drastically. Ironically, as the cost of lightning went down (all through history), then mankind spend same or more on lighting.

The LED is not expected to reduce energy consumption. It is expected to increase the amount of lights we use, need, and leave on.
Gravdigr • Mar 9, 2019 2:01 pm
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Undertoad • Mar 9, 2019 10:41 pm
If you don't like that company, here's a Swiss company successfully doing carbon capture

I imagine it's not a technologically difficult problem, since co2 is a simple molecule -- even the plants have worked out to grab it -- the problem will be economics and scale
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 10, 2019 4:01 am
As costs went down the number of lights went up. Now we're over lit, much more than we need, so as those incandescent and florescent lights are replaced with LEDs, electric consumption for lighting should go down.
Gravdigr • Mar 10, 2019 11:47 am
Did you even look at TW's post?:eyebrow:
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 10, 2019 2:03 pm
Yes I did, that's why I refuted it. Did you read mine?
tw • Mar 10, 2019 5:46 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1027898 wrote:
Now we're over lit, much more than we need, so as those incandescent and florescent lights are replaced with LEDs, electric consumption for lighting should go down.

Same reasoning existed when gas lamps lit NYC streets. People even hated fluorescent lamps because they were too white.

Simply view all those street lights in the 1950s. Why do number of street lights keep increasing? Because the streets are not yet as bright as the sun.

IEEE Spectrum demonstrated this with numbers. In over 100 years, it never got too bright. No fact says we have enough lights. That is simply speculation unsupported by any research.

Chevy Chase's "Christmas Vacation" is ironically funny because that need for more lights is more common every Christmas. Trend cited over 10 years ago in IEEE Spectrum has continued as predicted. So much so that 'light pollution' is a new and 'getting worse' problem.

Don't tell the North Koreans. They might get angry or deny it. Or maybe light up our skies to prove their nuclear lights are better than our LEDs and quantum dots.
sexobon • Mar 10, 2019 6:34 pm
:idea:
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 10, 2019 6:51 pm
Light pollution has been a problem for awhile. People like having the street lit up enough to be able to walk or bicycle without lights but don't want the yard lit up, especially at soul searing levels like vapor lights. You'd know that if you listened to people instead of lecturing them on what you've decided they want/need.
The best thing about LEDs is you can have more of them to light small areas where you want some light instead of having to carpet bomb the whole area to get light where you need it. The net result is using a lot less juice and not having the hedges growing night and day.
Happy Monkey • Mar 11, 2019 12:13 pm
Undertoad;1027895 wrote:
If you don't like that company, here's a Swiss company successfully doing carbon capture
Don't like it? It's great!

I only don't like it as an excuse not to have governments combat climate change, because it itself benefitted and is benefitting from just such a government program.

In fact, I like it so much that, even if they don't break even financially, selling the fuel they make, but they do do well enough ecologically I would support strong government subsidies to build them up.

Likewise the Swiss company.
Gravdigr • Mar 11, 2019 12:32 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1027939 wrote:
Yes I did, that's why I refuted it. Did you read mine?


Do you even post, bro?
Undertoad • Mar 11, 2019 1:30 pm
(HM)

O! I understand now, yup and I agree entirely.

They will also want to address other gases
tw • Mar 13, 2019 10:29 am
xoxoxoBruce;1027964 wrote:
The best thing about LEDs is you can have more of them to light small areas where you want some light instead of having to carpet bomb the whole area to get light where you need it.

So that is your feelings. Where is the research that says less light? It does not exist. And that was a point in that IEEE Spectrum article. Despite your reasoning, the amount of light generated and the amount of power used for lighting just keeps increasing.

Clark Griswold demonstrates a trend confirmed by research. Only speculation (contradicted by many decades) assumes this trend will reverse.
Gravdigr • Mar 13, 2019 11:53 am
Clark Griswold? The guy from the Nat'l Lampoon Vacation movies?:eyebrow:
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 14, 2019 2:11 am
Guessing. They know how much power I'm using, not a clue what I'm using it for, I could be reanimating corpses for all they know.
The population has been increasing, more households more power but not necessarily on lighting, probably farming bitcoins.
Trump will stop those terrorists from coming over the Rio Grand and using wasteful incandescent bulbs.
Griff • Mar 14, 2019 8:00 am
Ok what in the living fuck are you people doing with your weather in the middle of the country?
fargon • Mar 14, 2019 9:00 am
Rite now it's 46 and raining. The snow and ice are melting, and you can hear the ice on the river making noise.
BigV • Mar 14, 2019 1:15 pm
It's your basic bomb cyclone, an inland hurricane
Gravdigr • Mar 14, 2019 1:55 pm
If I had a windmill, I'd be rich, rich I tells ya.

If it didn't blow away.

It's a might airish.
Urbane Guerrilla • Mar 28, 2019 11:10 pm
Griff;1028187 wrote:
Ok what in the living fuck are you people doing with your weather in the middle of the country?


Trying to figure where to stow all that extra water.

It'd take one hell of a pipe to get it all to the Colorado River. From there, dry SoCal can stick its straw in.

A vast -- even a half-vast -- civil engineering project would be capturing floodwaters to recharge the immense Ogallala Aquifer at many points.
Glinda • Mar 29, 2019 3:42 pm
Sunny and mild today. Yesterday, I got busy and planted my early veg garden - two types of lettuce, spinach, two types of everbearing strawberries, Chinese peas, potatoes, green onions, broccoli, garlic, and dill. I'm anxious for the local garden centers to begin stocking veg starts for later in the season - cukes, zucchini, tomatoes, beans, peppers, and so much more.

My blueberry bushes are starting to put out buds, as are the peach, plum, and apple trees. :)
Urbane Guerrilla • Mar 29, 2019 7:44 pm
Are you really sure you want to include zucchini in your plan for world domination? Edible Triffids, those things. You could feed, like, three or four Chinese Red Army platoons (several hordes per, you know) on your zucchini harvest.

There are stories in some regions about people who *never* lock their doors and their cars except in zucchini season. That's to keep people from leaving shopping bags full of zukes in their cars' passenger side seats.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 30, 2019 1:09 am
The only reason to grow Zucchini is defense against other people trying to give you theirs.

Glinda, do you net your blueberries?.
Griff • Mar 30, 2019 8:25 am
Cuz they're free range? ;)
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 30, 2019 8:46 am
Free range Zucchinis or Blueberries?
I'd say net the berries, the birds can have the damn Zucchinis.
Gravdigr • Mar 30, 2019 12:04 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1029405 wrote:
Glinda, do you net your blueberries?.


Wull, I hope she ain't grossing them...
Glinda • Mar 31, 2019 6:34 pm
Urbane Guerrilla;1029380 wrote:
Are you really sure you want to include zucchini in your plan for world domination? Edible Triffids, those things. You could feed, like, three or four Chinese Red Army platoons (several hordes per, you know) on your zucchini harvest.

There are stories in some regions about people who *never* lock their doors and their cars except in zucchini season. That's to keep people from leaving shopping bags full of zukes in their cars' passenger side seats.


I'll take 'em all! What I don't use, the chickens devour. More, better aigs for sale!
Glinda • Mar 31, 2019 6:35 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1029405 wrote:
The only reason to grow Zucchini is defense against other people trying to give you theirs.

Glinda, do you net your blueberries?.


I have in the past, but it's more of a pain in the ass than it's worth. My bushes produce far more than I can eat/collect, so if the birds get some, I don't mind. They don't eat that much, and we're all in this together, after all. :)
Glinda • Mar 31, 2019 6:37 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1029438 wrote:
Free range Zucchinis or Blueberries?
I'd say net the berries, the birds can have the damn Zucchinis.


Believe it or not, if I don't collect the zucchini fairly regularly, the deer will eat them (well, they'll eat about half a zucchini, then move on to the next). THOSE bastiches, I'd prefer to starve.

Friggin' deer. :eyebrow:
Glinda • Mar 31, 2019 6:38 pm
Gravdigr;1029453 wrote:
Wull, I hope she ain't grossing them...


:D
Gravdigr • Apr 1, 2019 1:04 pm
I almost went to the What's Pissing You Off thread, but I didn't...

It looks like 85 degrees outside.

It is 43 degrees outside.
Undertoad • Apr 4, 2019 1:58 am
BBC story on Carbon Engineering, the Canuck company removing CO2 from the air

They got the cost down to $100 per ton of CO2

They got $68M in investments from fossil fuel companies
tw • Apr 4, 2019 10:18 am
Put $30 of gasoline in the car. Only $4 moves the car. Rest is wasted as heat, noise, and pollution. Therein lies a solution. A scumbag Don even quashed that innovation.
captainhook455 • Apr 4, 2019 12:35 pm
Was 42 this morning 68 out there now. I have to get the bike out and go for a ride. We usually don't get much of a spring here, but this year it has been nice.

Sent from my moto e5 supra using Tapatalk
Gravdigr • Apr 4, 2019 12:38 pm
captainhook455;1029723 wrote:
Was 42 this morning 68 out there now. I have to get the bike out and go for a ride. We usually don't get much of a spring here, but this year it has been nice.


You mean trike?;)
BigV • Apr 5, 2019 12:04 am
math is haaaaard.
Happy Monkey • Jun 2, 2019 11:10 pm
Unusually, we had fairly heavy hail in DC today. Slightly bigger than penny-sized.


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xoxoxoBruce • Jun 3, 2019 1:35 am
Ouch, that smarts.:(
Griff • Jun 3, 2019 7:06 am
Not great for paint.
Gravdigr • Jul 10, 2019 12:05 pm
July 10

1913 – The air temperature in Furnace Creek, California, reached 134 °F (56.7 °C), the highest reading ever recorded on Earth.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 11, 2019 12:05 am
Saturday night I was coming down the PA Turnpike from the west and saw an illuminated sign about 5 ft high on the shoulder that read "CAUTION Heavy Rain Ahead". Never saw that sort of sign on the pike before. By the time I got off at Rte 100(Exton) the rain was coming down at more than 2 inches per hour according to the weather bureau. Seemed heavier than that.

All the sane people were pulling over to wait it out, the visibility was about a car length, every intersection was flooded, and both shoulders flooded and moving if there was any slope. Couldn't get anywhere near the speed limit which is a shame because no cop is going to get out of his cruiser in that shit.:haha:
Undertoad • Jul 11, 2019 12:19 am
All fillin' up that Marsh Creek State Park Reservoir, which is where I sat and ate my lunch nuggets today :D
Gravdigr • Jul 11, 2019 4:49 am
Almost 4am. 78 degrees.

Everything I got is sticking to everything else I got.
glatt • Jul 11, 2019 9:27 am
Crazy flash flooding in Arlington on Tuesday. Neighborhoods nowhere near rivers or streams flooded severely for the first time ever. Just a very hard rain for a brief time. And the water was gone in a half an hour. Some houses were pushed off their foundations. I think it was 3.5 inches in an hour in localized neighborhoods.

Crazy stuff. My hardware store had its basement completely filled. Destroyed over $100k of inventory. And no flood insurance because it never floods here.

Meanwhile, our basement stayed mostly dry since we put on downspout extensions last year.
tw • Jul 11, 2019 10:49 am
glatt;1035461 wrote:
Meanwhile, our basement stayed mostly dry since we put on downspout extensions last year.

Damp basements are only due to fools who think ground must be flat. Ground should drop at least 1 foot for every ten out. Better landscaping means earth is must steeper all around the house.

Downspout extensions only required when the landscaper is totally unprofessional - stupidly want to make ground flat.

Furthermore, that ground that steeply rises up to the house must also remain at least 6 inches below the siding. That must foundation must separate the structure from earth to avert termites and other problems. Again, failure (moisture anywhere in a basement) created because a landscaper had no idea how to do his job. Rain was not the problem. Human ignorance was.

UT once posted pictures of a (constantly damp) residence because ground all around the house was defectively graded.

Of course, it may not matter if a backyard river has nowhere else to go. But even then, landscaping means the house remains a island - a last thing to flood.

Downspout extensions are necessary when a landscaper did not know what he was doing.
glatt • Jul 11, 2019 12:47 pm
If there even was a landscaper. There is no evidence that our property was landscaped.

It's more accurate to say the builder who located the house is responsible.
tw • Jul 11, 2019 3:48 pm
glatt;1035463 wrote:
There is no evidence that our property was landscaped.
The builder defines grading. Otherwise there is still a big hole (no landscaping) around the outside of that foundation.

What we choose to call that landscaper can be Juan or Bulldozer Joe. He is still the guy who graded that land. And he is the guy who either eliminates a damp basement or makes it wet.

Then extension downspouts must be installed to cure symptoms of inferior workmanship. So yes, that bad landscape may be directly traceable to the landscaper who is also called the builder. Who he is is irrelevant. What that (some) human created is relevant. Damp basements only exist when a human screws up.
monster • Jul 11, 2019 4:24 pm
Guess where ArchaeologistGirl is? Yup, slap bang in the middle of:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48945821

One tree down in the yard, one on the house but didn't go through the roof, several at the site which the Greek Archaeology Service has closed for now.....

(The dig is Olynthos)
Clodfobble • Jul 11, 2019 11:42 pm
Yeesh. Glad she's safe.
Griff • Jul 12, 2019 12:10 am
Yikes!
BigV • Jul 19, 2019 9:32 pm
Rainy here yesterday and today. Just exceeded the expected high when the temperature rose to 70 degrees.
Carruthers • Jul 25, 2019 11:08 am
1600 and just checked the thermometer. It's reading 37C/98.6F and it's officially the hottest day of the week/year so far.

The thermometer is on a north facing wall but is probably over reading due to warmth from the house but it really is uncomfortably warm here this afternoon.

Dad is holding up reasonably well and we're both keeping the fluid intake going so OK on that front.

I just worry that Sod's law might strike and a hospital or GP visit is needed for some reason or other.

Watch and pray!
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 25, 2019 11:19 am
I figure it's preparing me for the afterlife.
Carruthers • Jul 25, 2019 3:46 pm
Cambridge, about 50 miles NE of here, suffered somewhat this afternoon.

There are warnings of thunderstorms overnight and they seem to be making their presence felt already.

I've got FR24 open on another tab and there must be some real lumpy and bumpy weather about judging by the dogleg tracks several aircraft are following.

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The UK has recorded its second hottest day ever, with temperatures reaching 38.1C (100.6F) in Cambridge.

It breaks the previous record for the hottest day in July of 36.7C, and falls just short of the all-time high of 38.5C, reached in 2003.

Commuters faced disruption after Network Rail reported a number of heat-related incidents on the railway.

Forecasters warned the heat could lead to heavy rain in some areas, causing more disruption to travellers.

The Met Office said the temperature reading from Cambridge was only the second time the UK had gone over 100F.


LINK
Carruthers • Jul 25, 2019 5:22 pm
Thanks for that tw.

There have been even more circuitous routeings since I posted.
Several aircraft have crossed the Dutch coast a few miles north of the Belgian border inbound to airports in the London terminal area and routed north of Kings Lynn to avoid storm activity (as per your graphic) before turning west then south to their destinations.

Not a night for flying!

ETA Posted before your post was deleted and resubmitted.
tw • Jul 25, 2019 5:24 pm
Current London weather from Accuweather radar and from lightning tracking (graphic cleaned up about 9:25 GMT):
Carruthers • Jul 25, 2019 6:27 pm
From the horse's mouth...

Significant Weather Affecting EGTT South sectors: Lydd, Clacton, Dover and Hurn. All these sectors are regulated at drastically reduced rates, with delays exceeding 150' till 0300 UTC tomorrow morning.

Same situation for East sector in terminal area.

This an evolving situation with further measures in Southern UK being introduced. Improvements in the near term are unlikely.


(Eurocontrol Ops)
glatt • Jul 25, 2019 7:33 pm
I wonder if it took that long for our hot weather from the weekend to work its way over to you?
Carruthers • Jul 25, 2019 10:38 pm
glatt;1036084 wrote:
I wonder if it took that long for our hot weather from the weekend to work its way over to you?


The current episode has its origins in North Africa.
Spain and France, in particular, have borne the brunt of it this week and, from memory, I believe it was over 40C in Paris yesterday.
The strong southerly breeze didn't help. It was just like sitting in front of a giant hair drier at max heat.
It's 0330 here and there are a few rumbles of thunder and some light rain and it's still uncomfortably warm.

ETA. The temp in Paris yesterday reached 42.6C/108.7F
ThaiDuongVisa • Jul 25, 2019 11:55 pm
Today's weather is very cool
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 26, 2019 1:57 am
Cape Cod got hammered on Monday, tornado in Yarmouth, microbursts and water spouts in Hyannis and Yarmouth. Roads closed and trees down, power out for a couple days so stores and entertainment for tourists unavailable, and no A/C. She said from Harwich she couldn't go west at all for two days.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 27, 2019 1:02 am
Stage 18 of the Tour de France was halted when a huge hailstorm followed by land slides blocked the roads in the mountains. So they proceeded to Paris where it was over 108 F. :eek:
Diaphone Jim • Jul 27, 2019 11:44 am
It is nice to see "030 UTC" without having to do the math for PDT.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 27, 2019 4:03 pm
What? Where?
BigV • Jul 27, 2019 10:27 pm
He meant "0330" from Carruthers' post.
Diaphone Jim • Jul 28, 2019 12:27 pm
Yep, thanks.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 29, 2019 12:36 am
Carruthers said 0300 UTC. UTC meaning Coordinated Universal Time which doesn't make any damn sense in the first place, should be CUT.
Why is that an advantage over doing the math for my time zone(EDT) or yours(PDT)?
henry quirk • Aug 9, 2019 10:24 am
https://www.forbes.com/sites/doronlevin/2019/08/09/global-warming-an-israeli-astrophysicist-provides-alternative-view-that-is-not-easy-to-reject/#7592de686945

(part one)

Global warming and post apocalyptic future. Climate change and melting of glaciers. Statue of Liberty collapses under water and new New York city skyline on an artificial island. Perhaps the catastrophic predictions are overblown.

The U.S. auto industry and regulators in California and Washington appear deadlocked over stiff Obama-era fuel-efficiency standards that automakers oppose and the Trump administration have vowed to roll back &#8211; an initiative that has environmental activists up in arms.

California and four automakers favor compromise, while the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) supports the president&#8217;s position that the federal standards are too strict. The EPA argues that forcing automakers to build more fuel efficient cars will make them less affordable, causing consumers to delay trading older, less efficient vehicles. Complicating matters is California&#8217;s authority to create its own air quality standards, which the White House vows to end.

However the impasse is resolved, the moment looks ripe to revisit the root of this multifactorial dustup: namely, the scientific &#8220;consensus&#8221; that CO2 emissions from vehicles and other sources are pushing the earth to the brink of climate catastrophe.

In a modest office on the campus of Jerusalem&#8217;s Hebrew University, an Israeli astrophysicist patiently explains why he is convinced that the near-unanimous judgments of climatologists are misguided. *Nir Shaviv, chairman of the university&#8217;s physics department, says that his research and that of colleagues, suggests that rising CO2 levels, while hardly insignificant, play only a minor role compared to the influence of the sun and cosmic radiation on the earth&#8217;s climate.

&#8220;Global warming clearly is a problem, though not in the catastrophic terms of Al Gore&#8217;s movies or environmental alarmists,&#8221; said Shaviv. &#8220;Climate change has existed forever and is unlikely to go away. But CO2 emissions don&#8217;t play the major role. Periodic solar activity does.&#8221;

Shaviv, 47, fully comprehends that his scientific conclusions constitute a glaring rebuttal to the widely-quoted surveys showing that 97% of climate scientists agree that human activity &#8211; the combustion of fossil fuels &#8211; constitutes the principle reason for climate change.

&#8220;Only people who don&#8217;t understand science take the 97% statistic seriously,&#8221; he said. &#8220;Survey results depend on who you ask, who answers and how the questions are worded. *In any case, science is not a democracy. Even if 100% of scientists believe something, one person with good evidence can still be right.&#8221;

History is replete with lone voices toppling scientific orthodoxies. Astronomers deemed Pluto the ninth planet &#8211; until they changed their minds. Geologists once regarded tectonic plate theory, the movement of continents, as nonsense. Medicine were 100% certain that stomach (ulcers) resulted from stress and spicy food, until an Australian researcher proved bacteria the culprit and won a Nobel Prize for his efforts.

Lest anyone dismiss Shaviv on the basis of his scientific credentials or supposed political agenda, consider the following: He enrolled at Israel&#8217;s Technion University &#8211; the country&#8217;s equivalent of MIT &#8211; at the age of 13 and earned an MA while serving in the Israel Defense Force&#8217;s celebrated 8200 Intelligence unit. He returned to Technion, where he earned his doctorate, afterward completing post-doctoral work at California Institute of Technology and the Canadian Institute for Theoretical Astrophysics. He also has been an Einstein Fellow at The Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton.

In other words, he knows tons more about science than Donald Trump or Al Gore.

As for politics &#8220;in American terms, I would describe myself as liberal on most domestic issues, somewhat hawkish on security,&#8221; he said. Nonetheless, the Trump administration&#8217;s position on global climate change, he said, is correct insofar as it rejects the orthodoxy of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). The IPCC&#8217;s findings and conclusions are updated every six years; the latest report, released this week, noted that deforestation and agribusiness are contributing to CO2 emissions and aggravating climate change.

In 2003, Shaviv and research partner Prof. Jan Veizer published a paper on the subject of climate sensitivity, namely how much the earth&#8217;s average temperature would be expected to change if the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is doubled. *Comparing geological records and temperature, the team came up with a projected change of 1.0 to 1.5 degrees Celsius &#8211; much less than the 1.5 to 4.5 degree change the IPCC has used since it began issuing its reports. The reason for the much wider variation used by the IPCC, he said, was that they relied almost entirely on simulations and no one knew how to quantify the effect of clouds &#8211; which affects how much radiant energy reaches the earth &#8211; and other factors.

&#8220;Since then, literally billions have been spent on climate research,&#8221; he said. Yet &#8220;the conventional wisdom hasn&#8217;t changed. The proponents of man-made climate change still ignore the effect of the sun on the earth&#8217;s climate, which overturns our understanding of twentieth-century climate change.&#8221;

He explained: &#8220;Solar activity varies over time. A major variation is roughly eleven years or more, which clearly affects climate. This principle has been generally known &#8211; but in 2008 I was able to quantify it by using sea level data. *When the sun is more active, there is a rise in sea level here on earth. Higher temperature makes water expand. *When the sun is less active, temperature goes down and the sea level falls &#8211; the correlation is as clear as day.

(part two follows)
henry quirk • Aug 9, 2019 10:28 am
https://www.forbes.com/sites/doronlevin/2019/08/09/global-warming-an-israeli-astrophysicist-provides-alternative-view-that-is-not-easy-to-reject/#7592de686945

(part two)

&#8220;Based on the increase of solar activity during the twentieth century, it should account for between half to two-thirds of all climate change,&#8221; he said. &#8220;That, in turn, implies that climate sensitivity to CO2 should be about 1.0 degree when the amount of CO2 doubles.&#8221;

The link between solar activity and the heating and cooling of the earth is indirect, he explained. Cosmic rays entering the earth&#8217;s atmosphere from the explosive death of massive stars across the universe play a significant role in the formation of so-called cloud condensation nuclei needed for the formation of clouds. *When the sun is more active, solar wind reduces the rate of cosmic rays entering the atmosphere. A more active solar wind leads to fewer cloud formation nuclei, producing clouds that are less white and less reflective, thus warming the earth.

&#8220;Today we can demonstrate and prove the sun&#8217;s effect on climate based on a wide range of evidence, from fossils that are hundreds of millions of years old to buoy readings to satellite altimetry data from the past few decades,&#8221; he said. &#8220;We also can reproduce and mimic atmospheric conditions in the laboratory to confirm the evidence.

"All of it shows the same thing, the bulk of climate change is caused by the sun via its impact on atmospheric charge,&#8221; he said. &#8220;Which means that most of the warming comes from nature, whereas a doubling of the amount of CO2 raises temperature by only 1.0 to 1.5 degrees. *A freshman physics student can see this.&#8221;

Nevertheless, the world of climate science has &#8220;mostly ignored&#8221; his research findings. &#8220;Of course, I&#8217;m frustrated,&#8221; he said. &#8220;Our findings are very inconvenient for conventional wisdom&#8221; as summarized by the IPCC. *&#8220;We know that there have been very large variations of climate in the past that have little to do with the burning of fossil fuels. *A thousand years ago the earth was as warm as it is today. During the Little Ice Age three hundred years ago the River Thames froze more often. *In the first and second IPCC reports these events were mentioned. *In 2001 they disappeared. Suddenly no mention of natural warming, no Little Ice Age. The climate of the last millennium was presented as basically fixed until the twentieth century. *This is a kind of Orwellian cherry-picking to fit a pre-determined narrative.&#8221;

Shaviv says that he has accepted no financial support for his research by the fossil fuel industry. Experiments in Denmark with Prof. Henrik Svensmark and others to demonstrate the effect of cosmic rays on cloud formation were supported by the Carlsberg Foundation. In the U.S. the conservative Heartland Institute and the European Institute for Climate and Energy have invited him to speak, covering travel expenses.

&#8220;The real problem is funding from funding agencies like the National Science Foundation because these proposals have to undergo review by people in a community that ostracizes us,&#8221; he said, because of his non-conventional viewpoint.

&#8220;Global warming is not a purely scientific issue any more,&#8221; he said. *&#8220;It has repercussions for society. *It has also taken on a moralistic, almost religious quality. If you believe what everyone believes, you are a good person. If you don&#8217;t, you are a bad person. *Who wants to be a sinner?&#8221;

Any scientist who rejects the UN&#8217;s IPCC report, as he does, will have trouble finding work, receiving research grants or publishing, he said.

In Shaviv&#8217;s view, the worldwide crusade to limit and eventually ban the use of fossil fuels isn&#8217;t just misguided &#8220;it comes with real world social and economic consequences.&#8221; Switching to more costly energy sources, for example, will drive industry from more industrialized countries to poorer countries that can less afford wind turbines and solar panels.

&#8220;It may be a financial sacrifice the rich are willing to make, he said. &#8220;Even in developed countries the pressure to forego fossil fuel puts poor people in danger of freezing during the winter for lack of affordable home heating. *The economic growth of third world countries will be inhibited if they cannot borrow from the World Bank to develop cheap fossil-based power plants. These are serious human problems in the here and now, not in a theoretical future.&#8221;

For Shaviv, the rejection and closed-mindedness his minority view provoke may contain a silver lining. *Just think of the acclaim that awaits if his research -- and scientific reconsideration of the current orthodoxy -- one day proves persuasive.
Happy Monkey • Aug 9, 2019 10:43 am

&#8220;Since then, literally billions have been spent on climate research,&#8221; he said. Yet &#8220;the conventional wisdom hasn&#8217;t changed. The proponents of man-made climate change still ignore the effect of the sun on the earth&#8217;s climate, which overturns our understanding of twentieth-century climate change.&#8221;



So this guy thinks he's the first guy to have discovered the sun.
henry quirk • Aug 9, 2019 10:53 am
okay
Happy Monkey • Aug 9, 2019 11:48 am
How can you take someone seriously when he says that all the other scientists are ignoring the sun?
tw • Aug 9, 2019 12:42 pm
Happy Monkey;1036689 wrote:
How can you take someone seriously when he says that all the other scientists are ignoring the sun?

Read his diatribe. He also says he is a liberal.
henry quirk • Aug 9, 2019 1:29 pm
"How can you take someone seriously when he says that all the other scientists are ignoring the sun?"

That's what you think he's sayin'?

okay

##

"Read his diatribe."

So: he was forceful and bitter?

okay

#

"He also says he is a liberal."

And this is 'bad'?

okay
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 9, 2019 4:16 pm
I'm sure he won't have any trouble getting funding now, but the accolades will have to be posthumous.
Yes, the Statue of Liberty underwater is an overblown scenario, before that could happen half the east coast would be submerged including my house more than 100 miles from the shore.
As I see it climate change is going to be a problem for future generations, the argument is whether it's our fault and can we do anything to stop it.
Even Shaviv say part of it is our doing, so anything we do to slow it down will help. Not just ambient air temperature rise, but acidification and temperature rise of the oceans is very important.

Ford Motor Co., BMW AG, Volkswagen Group, and Honda Motor Co. have signed a deal with CA to a 3.7% annual improvement starting in the 2022 model year through 2026, and 1% of that could be covered by credits for building electrics. I would assume the electrics would have to go to CA, not national, to be credited. They came to this agreement because this sort of change requires advance planning and political footballs don't allow for that.
henry quirk • Aug 9, 2019 6:25 pm
Really, Bruce? That's what he said?

okay
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 10, 2019 1:12 am
Yes, that's what he said, according to Adams.
BigV • Aug 10, 2019 12:19 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1036737 wrote:
Yes, that's what he said, according to Adams.


Backstory.
henry quirk • Aug 10, 2019 1:08 pm
eye of the beholder
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 10, 2019 11:03 pm
The plot...
henry quirk • Aug 10, 2019 11:21 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1036771 wrote:
The plot...


...to build a gilded cage, lil bird
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 10, 2019 11:23 pm
Good, that will keep those wetbacks out.
henry quirk • Aug 10, 2019 11:52 pm
cage, not wall

you: locked in

I'll visit, take a gander, toss you treats
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 11, 2019 12:40 am
What is it that they won't let me do? Kill people? Run a business that cheats and poisons people? Spread radioactivity around the neighborhood?
Griff • Aug 11, 2019 8:57 am
I probably should acknowledge when the weather is perfect. Cool overnight, sunny, and highs in the 70's.
sexobon • Aug 11, 2019 9:11 am
Griff;1036800 wrote:
I probably should acknowledge when the weather is perfect. Cool overnight, sunny, and highs in the upper 60's.

FIFY
henry quirk • Aug 11, 2019 9:45 am
be free
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 11, 2019 12:57 pm
That's the stupidest thing you've said yet. :jagoff:
Probably because you can't answer my question, what can't I do?
henry quirk • Aug 11, 2019 1:33 pm
"That's the stupidest thing you've said yet."

[insert comparable pedestrian insult]

#

"Probably because you can't answer my question, what can't I do?"

It's self-evident: you won't do what technocrats decide you won't do.

This nonsense...

What is it that they won't let me do? Kill people? Run a business that cheats and poisons people? Spread radioactivity around the neighborhood?

...is pretty much covered by existing law (don't need no climate change alarmist-driven regulations to deal with murder, fraud, and pollution).
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 11, 2019 11:55 pm
Oh, so now you're changing your tune. You've claimed I live in a cage and can't do anything except what I'm directed to do. Now it's I won't do what technocrats decide I won't do, which makes no sense at all.

I cited things there are laws on the books to prevent because you claim to resent any and all restrictions, you want to be free to do whatever the hell you want. You want to wreck the organization, its agencies, and its rules, that prevent me from doing those things.

So what is the powers that be stopping me from doing? Oh I've got one, no more open fires burning brush and shit. But I skirt that by putting a marshmallow on an unfluxed brazing rod and stick it in the ground next to the fire. A minor inconvenience.
henry quirk • Aug 12, 2019 9:38 am
"You've claimed I live in a cage and can't do anything except what I'm directed to do."

Nope. I said a cage is bring built, one wherein you'll be directed (just as you wanna be).

#

"Now it's I won't do what technocrats decide I won't do, which makes no sense at all."

Makes perfect sense to a literate person.

#

"You want to wreck the organization, its agencies, and its rules, that prevent me from doing those things."

How sad for you that you need organizations, agencies, and imposed rules to avoid murderin', defraudin', and pollutin'. You're a well-trained lil monkey, aren't you.
Griff • Aug 12, 2019 5:19 pm
sexobon;1036802 wrote:
FIFY


I'd insist that you're mistaken, if you're referring to daytime temperatures, but I'm not sure this thread can sustain two poop throwing contests :lol:.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 13, 2019 2:13 am
henry quirk;1036845 wrote:
"You've claimed I live in a cage and can't do anything except what I'm directed to do."

Nope. I said a cage is bring built, one wherein you'll be directed (just as you wanna be).


Wrong you said... "cage, not wall... you: locked in... I'll visit, take a gander, toss you treats"

But I'm not locked in anything or anyplace.


"Now it's I won't do what technocrats decide I won't do, which makes no sense at all."

Makes perfect sense to a literate person.

Now you sound like tw. 'You're not smart enough to understand'


"You want to wreck the organization, its agencies, and its rules, that prevent me from doing those things."

How sad for you that you need organizations, agencies, and imposed rules to avoid murderin', defraudin', and pollutin'. You're a well-trained lil monkey, aren't you.
You obviously have learned nothing from history, why the fuck do you think those laws got passed in the first place? There was a whole lot of murder, fraud, and pollution. They still do it if they think they can make enough money and buy enough lawyers to get away with it, or just send some low level flunky to jail.
When you can't get water safe to drink what will you do, go out and shoot the meter reader? When you piss somebody off and they blow your brains out do you expect you son to avenge you? That John Wayne shit doesn't work anymore, remember his real name was Marion, it was all make believe.
henry quirk • Aug 13, 2019 9:36 am
"Wrong you said... "cage, not wall... you: locked in... I'll visit, take a gander, toss you treats"

And just before that...


Quote: Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce The plot...

(my response):...to build a gilded cage, lil bird


Context, Bruce. A cage is being built, once you're in it, I'll visit, toss you treats.

#

"But I'm not locked in anything or anyplace."

You will be.

#

"Now you sound like tw. 'You're not smart enough to understand'"

I can live with that, and, you're not.

#

"why the fuck do you think those laws got passed in the first place?"

Bastids did bad things, opportunists saw the chance to put everyone under thumb instead of just punishing the bastids.

Anecdote: a friend of mine in NY works for an engineering firm. She relayed this to me...

For a long time: everyone had unfettered net access. One guy abused it, surfed for porn. I.T. caught him. What shoulda happened: he gets punished, everyone else is left alone. What did happen: everyone lost net access.

Folks like you say the good must suffer for the bad. Folks like me say punish the guilty and leave the rest alone.

You say: guilty till proven innocent.

I say: innocent till proven guilty.

#

Anyway: enough. We don't see eye to eye. You, keep workin' for what I see as shackles and muzzles, and I'll keep workin' for what you see as destructive anarchy.

'nuff said.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 13, 2019 11:41 pm
How do you punish corporations unless what their doing is against the law?
You've been playing with a stacked Ouija board or listening to the Idaho crowd too much.
So what will you do when you can't get safe drinking water anymore, tell your kids to drink whiskey?
henry quirk • Aug 14, 2019 11:40 am
I've covered all this before in-forum.

Read closely, cuz I ain't doin' this no more.


The individual owns himself.

He has a right to his life, liberty, and property.

His life, liberty, or property is only forfeit, in part or in whole, if he knowingly, willingly, deprives another of his life, liberty, or property.


From these first principles you form a minarchy. A function of a minarchy is the constabulary & court.

So: if Corp X pisses in your cornflakes (knowingly, willingly, deprives you of life, liberty, or property), file your complaint, plead your case.

Now: if you really wanna know more (and you don't), go do your own damned research. Start with 'minarchy'.
tw • Aug 14, 2019 4:03 pm
henry quirk;1036947 wrote:
His life, liberty, or property is only forfeit, in part or in whole, if he knowingly, willingly, deprives another of his life, liberty, or property.

Which defines a patriotic American. Anti-Americans (Timothy McVeight, henry quirk) only want to wreck shit. They both share a common belief. Want to screw current and following generations to satisfy self serving desires and emotions.
henry quirk • Aug 14, 2019 5:15 pm
.
tw • Aug 14, 2019 8:01 pm
henry quirk;1036955 wrote:
butt out, tw

Did almighty henry quirk get angry again? Apparently a routine emotion among the Timothy McVeighs who only want to "wreck shit".

Just thought I would mention it for the few who still do not know your repeatedly stated objective. Did you also need a reminder? Glad to help.
henry quirk • Aug 14, 2019 9:24 pm
What shit? Who's shit?

The shit of every jackass (folks like yourself) who'd have me be sumthin' other than self-owned and self-directing.

Trump is a blunt instrument: yours is the head I hired him to thump. As long as he does that, he can -- as I've said many times-- court any debbil he likes.

Now: in the future, get it right or zip it.

And, for the record, this...

The individual owns himself.

He has a right to his life, liberty, and property.

His life, liberty, or property is only forfeit, in part or in whole, if he knowingly, willingly, deprives another of his life, liberty, or property.


...isn't about patriotism, or moderation.

Self-ownership & life, liberty, property are first principles, foundations for civilization & civilized (minimal) self-governance, nuthin' more or less.

Again: get it right or zip it.
tw • Aug 14, 2019 10:10 pm
henry quirk;1036977 wrote:
What shit? Who's shit?


A four letter word. And you don't know what it means? Best go back to extremist school for a refresher course.
henry quirk • Aug 14, 2019 10:23 pm
you, zipping it: good job...keep it up
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 15, 2019 1:58 am
First of all you can't have a minarchy without everyone on board, well 2/3rds anyway, and it would have to be on land no nation claims or attempting it would be sedition. I can't see it coming to fruition on a ship, too many uncooperative individuals.

henry quirk;1036947 wrote:

From these first principles you form a minarchy. A function of a minarchy is the constabulary & court.

So: if Corp X pisses in your cornflakes (knowingly, willingly, deprives you of life, liberty, or property), file your complaint, plead your case.

What case? unless CorpX violated some rule, some law, you have no case. Going in to depend on a ruling in your favor because your bitch is just? Fugetaboutit, Corp X supplies half the jobs in the minarchy, and free Corp X beer to the court & constabulary. Free beer beats the milk of human kindness every time. So Corp X can kill 10% of the minarchy but nobody can prove it because there's no government arm with the authority to dig into it.

No, democracy is best, not what we have now because the lazy voters have abdicated their roll and the 1% have gladly taken over for them. And it sounds too simple, but all it takes is the voters getting involved. The only thing various groups must agree on is not letting the politicians off the hook. Don't let them be bought, if they are bounce them out. It may seem that justice is moving glacially slow, but it's safer that way, and it does get done.



Now: if you really wanna know more (and you don't), go do your own damned research. Start with 'minarchy'.

Does not compute Been kicking the idea around for 150 years and there still isn't any. Basically it's regressive, back to the stone age.
henry quirk • Aug 15, 2019 12:19 pm
"First of all you can't have a minarchy without everyone on board, well 2/3rds anyway"

Sure you can. Do you even know what a minarchy is? You coulda googled it, but obviously didn't, indicatin' you really aren't interested in what I have to say, or in my view. You're just reactin' to havin' the status quo (you on the dole, Bruce?) threatened.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state

In libertarian political philosophy, a night-watchman state is a model of a state whose only functions are to provide its citizens with the military, the police, and courts, thus protecting them from aggression, theft, breach of contract, fraud, and enforcing property laws

I would add 'militia' to the functions cuz when the other three get uppity, the militia (that's 'us') get to shoot 'em in the ass with rock salt.

#

"it would have to be on land no nation claims or attempting it would be sedition."

Or: America could become an minarchy. Many folks live as though they were in a minarchy already. I do. Bettin' you don't.

#

"What case? unless CorpX violated some rule, some law, you have no case."

The rule, the law is: don't knowingly, willingly, deprive another of his life, liberty, or property. That pretty much covers any complaint you might have against Corp X, your neighbor, some stranger, etc. The standard you have to meet as accuser (the standard the accused has to beat) is right there, plain as day.

#

"So Corp X can kill 10% of the minarchy but nobody can prove it because {b}there's no government arm with the authority to dig into it[/b]."

Sure there is: the constabulary (that there is the po-po) and the courts (that there is the courts).

#

"No, democracy is best"

How would you know? If you live in America you've never lived in a democracy. No, Bruce, America is a constitutional republic. Sure, democratic process is a feature of the republic (this is called representative democracy) but strictly within the boundaries of the national and state charters/constitutions.

That is: even if everyone wants to, no one can vote for me to be sequestered away 'just because'. In a democracy the majority could vote to have me jailed ('just because'), you neutered, and tw installed as King of the Hill. It is precisely to hobble the collective, capricious, will of the people and (promote individual sovereignty) that we don't have a democracy.

#

"Been kicking the idea around for 150 years and there still isn't any. Basically it's regressive, back to the stone age."

Yeah, there's never been a true communism in the world either and that doesn't stop folks from tryin'. The best they can do is the horrid state communisms & socialisms that have killed millions. Pure communism (pretty horrid on paper, to me anyay) can't work cuz it flies in the face of human nature, so these ravenous state-run strains are the best advocates can muster.

Natural rights libertarianism, on the other hand (and the minarchy that can extend out from it) is wholly in line with what humans are, how they think, what they want, which is, of course, why certain folks oppose such things and lobby hard for strains of communism. Folks in power or who crave power can't have any real power in a minarchy, but they can loads of it in the state-communism (as they supposedly work for, but never reach, pure or true communism).

Just look to history, Bruce. Liberty always increases. We've moved from pre-historic systems where few controlled many to a place where many (as individuals) largely control themselves. the path meanders and backtracks, of course, and huge numbers of folks still labor under heel, but always, in the end, mankind moves away from kings and queens and aristocracy, away from rulers and dictators and tyrants, away from centralized governance toward individual self-direction and responsibility, toward a minimizing of control, toward a diffusing of power. America is a prime example of this. Despite (not because of) America's powerful centralized government, the average individual enjoys unprecedented freedom, not as a gift from the powerful but as birthright. That so many work overtly to reduce that individual freedom (the whole of the Democrat party, the majority of the Republican party, and a nice friggin' chunk of the Libertarian party, are three examples that come to mind) sez a lot. As I say elsewhere: they trade away autonomy to supposedly preserve autonomy. Madness.

A minarchy, foundationed on natural rights, is what lies next on the hit parade. The positve inertia is at work. it can be delayed by not denied. Individuals want to be free.

As for being regressive: that you think being free is regressive sez alot about you, Bruce.

I guess bein' controlled, under heel & thumb (bein' 'safe' is how it's marketed) is 'progressvie', yeah?
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 16, 2019 1:51 am
As a matter of fact I googled minarchy and read that Wiki Night Watchman State back when you first mentioned it. Struck me as great on paper and impossible in reality. First and foremost where, sail the Mayflower to the New World? There is no available land anymore that's not spoken for. The only way is to have the power to grab and hold from someone else. That won't happen because you'd be fighting the rest of the world.

So you think your po-po and court have the ability to ferret out evil Corp X's dirty deeds? Good luck with that. Your claim is the standard the accuser has to beat? All they have to do is no we didn't to beat that standard
Plus anyone who whines about being treated unfairly will get a full effort by the said same po-po and courts to investigate their claims? That would be like the FBI investigating every bad Yelp review.

If everyone but a few semantics freaks call the US a democracy, it's a democracy. A minarchy is is stone age, back before...
Empires ruled by Emperors,
Kingdoms ruled by Kings,
and Countries ...
henry quirk • Aug 16, 2019 9:59 am
"There is no available land anymore that's not spoken for. The only way is to have the power to grab and hold from someone else."

Or: Americans could get tired of commies tryin' to leash them. Might take awhile, but it's possible Americans could -- piece by piece -- vote themselves into minimal government. You'll, of course, lose your welfare check. Too bad. So sad. Get thee to a charity.

#

"So you think your po-po and court have the ability to ferret out evil Corp X's dirty deeds?"

Sure, why wouldn't they?

#

"Your claim is the standard the accuser has to beat? All they have to do is no we didn't to beat that standard."

It's really no different than it is now: you claim Corp X did wrong. Prove your case.

#

"Plus anyone who whines about being treated unfairly will get a full effort by the said same po-po and courts to investigate their claims?"

Is that what happens now?

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"If everyone but a few semantics freaks call the US a democracy, it's a democracy."

No, Bruce. You want it to be a democracy, but: the United States of America is constitutional republic.

#

A minarchy is is stone age, back before...
Empires ruled by Emperors,
Kingdoms ruled by Kings,
and Countries ..."

So, before all that: cave dwellers and nomads and tribesmen had police and courts and millitary that existed with the sole purpose of securing the individual's life, liberty, and property? Well, hell: if that's the case, let's go pre-historic!
henry quirk • Aug 17, 2019 9:54 pm
https://www.thegwpf.com/nir-shaviv-forbes-censored-an-interview-with-me/

https://www.thegwpf.com/revealed-the-climate-story-forbes-doesnt-want-you-to-read/?preview=true

http://www.google.com/search?q=why+did+forbes+remove+the+article+about+Professor+Nir+Joseph+Shaviv%3F&oq=why+did+forbes+remove+the+article+about+Professor+Nir+Joseph+Shaviv%3F&aqs=heirloom-srp..
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 18, 2019 11:27 pm
henry quirk;1037066 wrote:
"There is no available land anymore that's not spoken for. The only way is to have the power to grab and hold from someone else."

Or: Americans could get tired of commies tryin' to leash them. Might take awhile, but it's possible Americans could -- piece by piece -- vote themselves into minimal government. You'll, of course, lose your welfare check. Too bad. So sad. Get thee to a charity.

What welfare check is that? I've been robbed, somebody's stealing my welfare checks!!

Good luck with your pipe dream of breaking away from the USA and forming your little minarchy disregarding state and federal laws. Does the name Warthog ring a bell?

They backed off on the ranchers stealing my grass to prevent bad publicity, but try to take US territory they'll fuck you up.
henry quirk • Aug 19, 2019 12:23 am
The day may come when there are more folks like me (who want less governance) than folks like you (who want more).

Time will tell.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 19, 2019 12:29 am
That doesn't fucking matter, it's not a democracy remember, no majority rule. :lol:
henry quirk • Aug 19, 2019 12:36 am
...imagine the majority voting libertarian (dismantling your beloved government down to its strict constitutional base) while you vote democrat (voting for more government, but never gettin' it).

Glory Days.
Gravdigr • Aug 19, 2019 3:51 pm
What was this thread about, again? I've forgotten..
sexobon • Aug 19, 2019 5:03 pm
Currently, it's foggy memory.
Clodfobble • Aug 19, 2019 9:49 pm
Here's a current weather update to get you back on track: it's 8:45 PM and 95 degrees outside. Bleurg.
fargon • Aug 20, 2019 11:24 am
It's 10:22 AM and 73F.
Gravdigr • Aug 20, 2019 5:44 pm
It was 74 @ dawn this am. The muggiest 74 evar.

Currently 95 @ 4:44pm.
Carruthers • Aug 20, 2019 5:51 pm
50F here at 2250. Not forecast to drop much lower overnight.
Griff • Aug 20, 2019 5:58 pm
Gravdigr;1037206 wrote:
What was this thread about, again? I've forgotten..


It's about which way the wind blows. Bruce currently sails with the wind because those claiming minarchic views raided the national larder.

77degrees, this Eastern Sissy hates the humidity.
henry quirk • Aug 20, 2019 7:10 pm
"Bruce currently sails with the wind because those claiming minarchic views raided the national larder."

Nah, Bruce is just an easy-goin' sort, not inclined toward meanderin' off from the herd.

It's okay that he stays close to the feed trough. In fact: I insist on it.

As for us minarchistic types: we don't raid other folks' larders.

We stock our own.

-----

it's 85 & partly cloudy
Gravdigr • Aug 24, 2019 2:17 pm
Yesterday got pretty warm (90-ish), and then the red stuff in the glass tube took a nose dive. At sunset yesterday, it was 83 and practically no humidity.

Today is going be nice (slight chance of rain) and cool as well. As a matter of fact, the weather bunny said it's gonna be like this for the next week to ten days. It was genuinely cool this morning, 64 when I got up (six-ish).

If ya got outside work, git-r-done.
henry quirk • Aug 24, 2019 2:35 pm
cool rain
fargon • Aug 24, 2019 2:42 pm
76F at 1:40 PM it's nice outside.
captainhook455 • Aug 25, 2019 11:05 am
71 with a slight breeze overcast from the tropical storm. I need my leathers for a ride this morning.

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Carruthers • Aug 25, 2019 11:32 am
It's 90F/32C here at 1630 and not at all comfortable.

Dad is looking a bit frazzled which is a worry.
fargon • Aug 25, 2019 11:37 am
It's 69F with a slight breeze and very nice at 10:35AM.
captainhook455 • Aug 25, 2019 1:07 pm
Nice enough day to go fishing again. This pic is from last week with great grandson Derek. The little prick caught most of the fish.ImageImage

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xoxoxoBruce • Aug 28, 2019 1:48 am
Don't complain, he's stepping up to feed the family, what more could you want?
captainhook455 • Aug 28, 2019 12:23 pm
Well Bruce he really is a little monster through no fault of his. The parents treat their son like an adult which is fine at home, but out in the world adults look at him like he is a child.funny that.

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captainhook455 • Aug 28, 2019 12:27 pm
I have to remember to push the last post arrow before I comment. Be miles from the subject. Anyways it is 85 over here on the coast feels like 90. I can stand it.

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Gravdigr • Aug 28, 2019 4:33 pm
After yesterday's hurricane's-wortrh-of-rain we got just 1.68 inches. I don't think I've ever seen it rain that hard for that long. It was a real frog-strangler.
captainhook455 • Aug 28, 2019 8:01 pm
That it was Gravs it rained so hard here it flooded the ditches and lawn in short order. I thought a tornado had skipped over us. In about 2 hrs all was gone from sight. I sent a pic to Jim I should have kept it.

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Undertoad • Sep 16, 2019 10:17 pm
Rolling Stone: Why Are Progressives Wary of Technologies That Pull Carbon From the Air?

A decent look into the carbon capture issue. I wouldn't have used that headline, although I have asked that exact same question.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 16, 2019 11:54 pm
Since the problem seems to be we're releasing too much carbon that was locked up it would make sense to recapture some if we can. But because recapture is complicated and expensive not releasing it in the first place would be smarter.
Probably, and this is just a guess on my part, the ones who oppose it are afraid the public will get the message, hey make as much as you want we'll take it out later.
Gravdigr • Sep 17, 2019 12:41 pm
It's been just stonking hot the last few days.
captainhook455 • Sep 17, 2019 6:18 pm
A cool front will be past us by tonight supposed to be only 78 tomorrow and drier. It will only last a week, but better than nothing.

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Undertoad • Oct 30, 2019 9:51 am
MIT Engineers develop new way to remove carbon from air
lumberjim • Oct 30, 2019 12:04 pm
Kewl
tw • Oct 30, 2019 9:55 pm
Undertoad;1040569 wrote:
MIT Engineers develop new way to remove carbon from air

That is only part of a solution. The stuff still must be put somewhere.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 31, 2019 10:24 pm
They don't have to put it anywhere they're grabbing from the air to use for things like carbonating drinks and enriching greenhouse air, rather than creating new carbon dioxide from fossil fuel.
tw • Nov 1, 2019 10:43 am
xoxoxoBruce;1040628 wrote:
They don't have to put it anywhere they're grabbing from the air to use for things like carbonating drinks and enriching greenhouse air, rather than creating new carbon dioxide from fossil fuel.

That is almost zero compared to CO2 that is produced. Many of those products simply put CO2 back in the atmosphere - where those products are already extracting CO2 from. That does nothing to address rising CO2 levels.

Once extracted, CO2 must be put somewhere else - not back in the atmosphere.
glatt • Nov 1, 2019 11:06 am
We should turn it into coal and bury it in the ground.
Gravdigr • Nov 1, 2019 4:20 pm
I say we put it at TW's house...







...or a lake in Cameroon.:unsure:
Gravdigr • Nov 1, 2019 4:24 pm
Cold here last night, low 28.
tw • Nov 1, 2019 9:49 pm
Gravdigr;1040674 wrote:
I say we put it at TW's house...

I thought the routine solution was to dump it in the ghetto.

What do dump truck carrying CO2 look like?
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 2, 2019 4:06 am
tw;1040657 wrote:
That is almost zero compared to CO2 that is produced. Many of those products simply put CO2 back in the atmosphere - where those products are already extracting CO2 from. That does nothing to address rising CO2 levels.

Once extracted, CO2 must be put somewhere else - not back in the atmosphere.


The point is they are preventing these industries who use a LOT of carbon dioxide which will end up in the air, from making new carbon dioxide out of fossil fuels.
tw • Nov 2, 2019 3:27 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1040706 wrote:
The point is they are preventing these industries who use a LOT of carbon dioxide which will end up in the air, from making new carbon dioxide out of fossil fuels.

Replace that 200 Hp engine that only need produce 8 Hp most of the time. Then massive amounts of gasoline are not burned only to create heat. IOW solve the problem at its source.

That will reduce CO2. But what remains is another problem. Where to put massive amounts of captured CO2.

Currently the oceans have been absorbing massive amounts. Deep ocean studies suggest that may now be diminishing or even ending as CO2 absorbed many decades ago might be coming back to the surface in future decades.

I believe a tunnel in Norway captures exhaust gases and pumps it into expired oil wells. Another solution that still needs plenty of what makes a patriotic American - innovation. The amount of CO2 that must be put somewhere (generated uselessly even by cars) is significantly larger.

Plenty of innovation is necessary. But we have a president who is anti-America. Who loves to subvert innovation in everything he can - including this CO2 problem. He only wants to 'wreck shit'. Since that is what he has done his entire adult life.
Gravdigr • Nov 2, 2019 4:34 pm
tw;1040697 wrote:
What do dump truck carrying CO2 look like?


They look like dump truck floating on cloud.
Gravdigr • Nov 2, 2019 4:42 pm
tw;1040752 wrote:
Replace that 200 Hp engine that only need produce 8 Hp most of the time.


So, you would have no problem with your car only being capable of, say, 10 mph. And taking forever to get there? Have any idea how much products would cost if the truck what brung 'em takes FOR FUCKING EVER TO DELIVER SAID PRODUCTS. What happens when that 8 hp truck carrying 50,000 lbs comes to a hill? Or a mountain?

tw;1040752 wrote:
Then massive amounts of gasoline are not burned only to create heat.


I'm not sure you understand how an internal combustion engine works. Maybe it's me, I thought the gasoline was burned to make the pistons go up and down...

I've been cold in cars with gasoline burning engines. Guess the weren't burning massive enough amounts of gasoline.
tw • Nov 3, 2019 11:44 am
Gravdigr;1040766 wrote:
So, you would have no problem with your car only being capable of, say, 10 mph. And taking forever to get there?

Intentionally ignored were well understood facts posted long ago even here. Many who wait to be told what to think even denied parameters such as 'horsepower per liter'. Because propaganda (to protect the most anti-American vehicles) avoids realities. Reasons why and numbers cause eyes to glaze over.

A patriotic design has same acceleration, only outputs less than 8 Hp to maintain over 60 MPH, and does not swallow the extremist propaganda that disparages innovation. To reiterate, using high school physics on a 1960s Oldsmobile, and by worse casing my numbers, I determined it only needed 8 Hp to maintain highway speeds. Engineers in GM then told me that number was 2 or 4 Hp. Numbers that were posted then and still ignored today.

Why does that gasoline engine produce maybe 100 Hp when less than 8 are necessary to maintain highway speeds? Because we have not yet innovated enough. Innovations were even stifled by a scumbag president that enemies of America and mankind love. Only an extremist would say that is the way it must be because it was always that way. These same extremists also ignorantly believe pickup trucks need massively oversized (obsolete technololgy) 5.0+ liter engines. Because that was once the innovation in the 1950s and 60s.

Patriotic Americans want innovation - the advancement of mankind.

Why are most automobile factories in America now from foreign nameplates? Only wacko extremist in the 80s bashed Toyota and other foreign vehicles. Because 1960 American innovations were stifled by American companies. So those innovations (overhead cam, rack and pinion steering, McPherson strut suspensions, stratified charge engines, radial tires ... were rescued by innovative (patriotic American) companies that had foreign nameplates. Extremists knew otherwise because their emotions said so.

How to address a CO2 problem? Better method to capture it are one. Also stop burning so much gasoline to do nothing productive. A $35 tank of gasoline only uses something like $4 of that gasoline to move the car. Since gasoline even at $10 per gallon is inexpensive. And since extremist say global warming is does not exist.
tw • Nov 3, 2019 11:46 am
Gravdigr;1040765 wrote:
They look like dump truck floating on cloud.

Just like the innovations so commonly found in Star Wars. They were so advanced as to not have nor need dump trucks.
Gravdigr • Nov 4, 2019 5:58 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Nov 6, 2019 11:49 pm
Oh, our first snow forecast, isn't that special. :(

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Only a couple hours during the day and won't amount to anything, but it's like the sailors red sky in the morning.
Griff • Nov 7, 2019 7:10 am
Shifting to snow for the pm commute here. Let's be careful out there.
Gravdigr • Nov 9, 2019 12:51 pm
Had to break the water in the bird baths yesterday.

They're turned over now.

The bath, not the birds.
Undertoad • Nov 9, 2019 2:01 pm
birb bath
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 9, 2019 2:03 pm
They cancelled the snow in favor of rain on Tuesday.
Griff • Nov 9, 2019 2:23 pm
We had and kept our snow.
tw • Nov 9, 2019 5:06 pm
Griff;1041053 wrote:
We had and kept our snow.

Keep it. We don't need it.
Urbane Guerrilla • Nov 9, 2019 5:21 pm
Gravdigr;1040674 wrote:
I say we put it at TW's house...

...or a lake in Cameroon.:unsure:


ISWYDT, Gravedigr. Fizzy....

Note also tw's half truths, fanatically held and desperately chanted, re the American automobile (all American autos, he says) about some half-vast conspiracy to hold auto fuel efficiency and horsepower for engine displacement below some certain level -- for tw to complain arbitrarily about.

Tw's not the technician he poses as. Not even in theory. He won't shut up, and he doesn't put up. He doesn't even solicit clients here for the service in the next paragraph.

Fact is, if he were that good, he'd be personally reworking his car's engine so it'd run six weeks on ten gallons of regular, with water/methanol injection and running cylinder linings and valves at orange-red heat for high mileage. And not incidentally, delivering oxides of nitrogen enough to smog over all of Detroit. That's what really high combustion temperature in accordance with a large difference of heat from ignition to exhaust, yielding tremendous efficiency at making power from fuel, does -- if the heat-engine's an air breather.

A red hot heat-engine has a hellacious power output for its size and weight, but iron engines don't last any too well at those temps. The metal of the engine, valves, and pistons limit the temps you can burn gasoline at. And refractory ceramics are brittle, and have a short mechanical wear life to boot. Heat energy not propelling the vehicle is dumped via the radiator, circulating water through the block.

No wonder some car guys like turbochargers to scavenge energy from the exhaust.

Tw's horsepower posits all reckon without acceleration, which higher horsepower engine output adds up to considerably more than the power required to maintain cruise. Reading the tachometer in your dashboard will tell you as much -- the vrooom needle is well around the dial in max acceleration, more nearly approaching redline than at nearly any other time or regime. At 65-70 mph, reasonable highway cruise speeds, the needle's well back down: graphically showing you the engine is not generating as much to overcome air resistance and push the vehicle down the road at a pace established by equilibrium between engine output and wind resistance as it was when it was accelerating the vehicle. Engine horsepower rating is listed as a function of a certain RPM. You can do some math plugging in the lower RPM of cruise to give you how much horsepower the engine is generating then. Horsepower over and above that is not wasted; it is waiting, in reserve.

Returning to his half truths -- what our ole boy has done is built a conspiracy air castle from -- get this -- General Motors' management culture. It has a rather strange but legalistic root: General Motors was never prosecuted (nor even threatened) in an antitrust lawsuit. Yet for decades, it behaved as if in mortal fear that it would be. This defensiveness held back both on GM sales and GM technological innovation for decades, the one influencing the other: not having to push for the last sale, they had no push for innovations either. This, I think, affected only GM. Ford, for instance, never had to worry about it, and had a better idea. (This dates back towards the end of the GM tech doldrums.)

He wants us to believe it was all a malevolent conspiracy, glibly alleging it was for somebody to monetize. I put it to you: who needs a conspiracy when you have a culture? Aaaand, also note, how little tw is doing to take advantage of this wonderful opportunity.
Urbane Guerrilla • Nov 9, 2019 5:31 pm
Weather: well, we wouldn't have minded the snow at all. We like to have it on the Sierras, being as that's the best place we've got to keep it. Feeding streams.

Around here, a lot of it's aquifers. In my town, we have to maintain against seawater incursion, as all our local aquifers have their feet in the ocean; we need to have enough fresh water dumped in at the top end. We have a reverse-osmosis desalination plant to help with that.

Weather: we recently had an attack of high wind, with several brush fires started. All are now contained or out, with minimal casualty to human things.
Griff • Nov 10, 2019 9:09 am
This is probably not the time to bust tw's chops. Something is up, but what it is I don't know.
Griff • Nov 10, 2019 9:10 am
Urbane Guerrilla;1041060 wrote:
Weather: well, we wouldn't have minded the snow at all. We like to have it on the Sierras, being as that's the best place we've got to keep it. Feeding streams.

Around here, a lot of it's aquifers. In my town, we have to maintain against seawater incursion, as all our local aquifers have their feet in the ocean; we need to have enough fresh water dumped in at the top end. We have a reverse-osmosis desalination plant to help with that.

Weather: we recently had an attack of high wind, with several brush fires started. All are now contained or out, with minimal casualty to human things.


Home power production is looking smarter out there.
Gravdigr • Nov 10, 2019 9:55 am
Did I read recently that all new homes over a certain size in CA must have a certain amount of solar panels?

Mighta just been LA county?
Gravdigr • Nov 10, 2019 9:57 am
44 degrees this morning at sun-up.

&#9834; &#9835;It's like a heat wave!&#9834; &#9835;
tw • Nov 10, 2019 11:22 am
Griff;1041089 wrote:
Home power production is looking smarter out there.

Buried power lines do not create forest fires.
monster • Nov 11, 2019 8:48 pm
12 inches :/
glatt • Nov 11, 2019 9:15 pm
I am used to keeping an eye on satellite fire maps since my brother lives out West, but now that my girl is in Australia, I'm getting good at reading their maps too. Currently the wind patterns are favorable for her.

Thanks, windy.com, for the detailed info.
Gravdigr • Nov 11, 2019 9:35 pm
My yard is covered with sleet.

33 degrees.
Clodfobble • Nov 11, 2019 10:12 pm
Currently we have precipitation, high winds, and borderline freezing temps. I have important shit to do tomorrow, so the roads better be thawed by morning if they know what's good for them.
Griff • Nov 12, 2019 7:33 am
22F a bit of snow a bit of sleet
Luce • Nov 12, 2019 10:55 am
It is a bone-chilling 76F right now. This is like a Jack London novel, and everyone died.
Griff • Nov 12, 2019 5:31 pm
15F. Bit nippy.
DanaC • Nov 12, 2019 6:01 pm
Floods are the dish of the week around here. Crazy rainfall most of Thursday and into Friday - then some more over the weekend. It's been calmer today but there may be more in a few days.

Some parts of Doncaster affected when the River Don burst its banks, Sheffield saw some flooding too and I think Rotherham.

A few places in Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire and Lincolnshire were caught as well.

There has only been one death, I think, with a woman who was swept away when the River Derwent broke its banks.

Compared to some of the floods in other parts of the world it is relatively small scale, but it is still impactful, and some places are on high alert for further trouble. The somewhat ironically named village of Fishlake is currently a major concern.

needless to say it's been very busy at work this week :P

Aside from the uptick in claims and the fact that our drying and restoration / cleaning company is now almost completely taken up with flood claims - making it very hard to organise drying for a routine, but just as critical loft burst claim, a small group of handlers went over to Doncaster with the incident response van on Saturday and Monday which meant fewer of us in the office to deal with the increase.

At least our policyholders have insurance - some people don't, and I can't imagine how devastating something like this is for them. Even for those that do - even knowing their homes will get dried out and repaired - they are facing months of upheaval.
Luce • Nov 12, 2019 6:31 pm
How you folks survive that shit is beyond me. I spent my whole life cold and this is why I will never leave Arizona.

115F summers are worth it.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 12, 2019 11:06 pm
DanaC;1041252 wrote:

Compared to some of the floods in other parts of the world it is relatively small scale...
Damn hard to maintain perspective where it's your shit underwater.

Luce;1041253 wrote:
How you folks survive that shit is beyond me. I spent my whole life cold and this is why I will never leave Arizona.
115F summers are worth it.

With the climate change you'll be able to visit Utah, and maybe during a heat wave Colorado. :haha:
Griff • Nov 13, 2019 7:40 am
Nothing quite like the smell of black mold in someone's home.:(
Luce • Nov 13, 2019 1:21 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1041257 wrote:
Damn hard to maintain perspective where it's your shit underwater.


With the climate change you'll be able to visit Utah, and maybe during a heat wave Colorado. :haha:


It's more likely that everything North of Boston will freeze solid when the gulf current craps out. It's more or less already happening (the gulf current slowdown.)

We here in the high desert will be setting up barricades. We don't want anyone from New Hampshire screwing the place up like they did to New Orleans.
DanaC • Nov 13, 2019 3:13 pm
Griff;1041267 wrote:
Nothing quite like the smell of black mold in someone's home.:(


Yeah. Not nice.

i've had a few heartbreaking cases this past week or so. One woman had spent most of her redundancy payout on doing up her house which her recently deceased father had left to her. She'd clearly poured herself into that house over the last 12 months and got it just right just in time for Christmas and bang - she's in a Travelodge living out of a suitcase while raw sewage is pumped out of the floor void from overloaded drains that backed up and flowed into several houses on her street.

Brand new kitchen fucked - brand new laminate flooring fucked - brand new fridge freezer fucked.

What's really sad is that most of our policies (most policies generally I think) only cover the damaged items in a suite not the undamaged items, so base units in the kitchen are beyond repair, but the wall units are fine, we only pay to replace the base units. We usually offer a 50% contribution towards the cost of replacing the undamaged ones, if there's no way to replace with an identical match, but for a full kitchen replacement, that can add several hundred, possibly a thousand pounds in out of pocket expense for the policyholder.
Undertoad • Nov 13, 2019 4:43 pm
This shithole I lived in for a year had a ton of black mold.



I'm alright
Don't nobody worry bout me
Griff • Nov 13, 2019 4:45 pm
How're your lungs?
Undertoad • Nov 13, 2019 4:48 pm
Touch of bronchitis, but that's the weed, I had that before
Griff • Nov 13, 2019 4:59 pm
Ha!
tw • Nov 13, 2019 9:29 pm
Undertoad;1041302 wrote:
Touch of bronchitis, but that's the weed, I had that before

Medical weed, of course. Many prescription medications have side effects.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 13, 2019 11:13 pm
Luce;1041282 wrote:
It's more likely that everything North of Boston will freeze solid when the gulf current craps out. It's more or less already happening (the gulf current slowdown.)

We here in the high desert will be setting up barricades. We don't want anyone from New Hampshire screwing the place up like they did to New Orleans.
Urbane Guerrilla • Nov 15, 2019 1:45 am
tw;1041110 wrote:
Buried power lines do not create forest fires.

Though you'd need to come up with about eight or ten times the price of overhead lines to manage it. Less digging the trench, I think, than conduiting the line and ensuring connections are permanently watertight. While out of sight and out of mind.

The immediate source of difficulties just all anywhere are California forests shorting the lines. Second place is probably transformer fires.
Undertoad • Nov 15, 2019 10:28 am
It costs about $3 million per mile to convert underground electric distribution lines from overhead, while the cost to build a mile of new overhead line is less than a third of that, at approximately $800,000 per mile, according to a section on PG&E's website called Facts About Undergrounding Power Lines.

...PG&E, the state's largest utility, maintains approximately 81,000 miles of overhead distribution lines and approximately 26,000 miles of underground distribution lines. It also has about 18,000 miles of larger transmission lines, the majority of which are overhead lines.

At a cost of $3 million per mile, undergrounding 81,000 miles of distribution lines would cost $243 billion. PG&E has 16 million customers; distributing that expense equally would amount to a bill of more than $15,000 per account.


USA Today source
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 15, 2019 10:39 am
$243 Billion, so what? Deficits don't matter, and while they're being buried rake the woods. :rolleyes:
tw • Nov 15, 2019 11:02 am
Urbane Guerrilla;1041418 wrote:
The immediate source of difficulties just all anywhere are California forests shorting the lines. Second place is probably transformer fires.

Simply keep bending metal back and forth. It eventually breaks - just like metal wires on poles constantly bending back and forth in high winds.

Transformer fires more often happen after some other external event - a fallen wires, lightning strikes, etc. All eliminated when transformers are underground with the wires.

How to make a nation more product and wealthier. Invest money into what makes equipment and systems more reliable and last longer. And not waste $3 trillion on wars only justified by emotions and lies.

We are still paying for off that $3 trillion fiasco (and another $2 trillion in a nearby country). Where does that money come from? Schools, infrastructure, utility systems, innovation, research, public welfare, and a military that is twice as large as all other NATO countries combined. CA electric problems are simply another symptoms of money games that now must exist.

Considering how little we invest, it is amazing how reliable the electric grid really is.

UTs numbers assume we will only rip up existing neighborhoods. Those costs are quite small when high voltage wires transverse open spaces - where fires happen.

Why do electric wires costs so much more to bury that 24 inch pipe lines?

But then we would have had $3 trillion to invest had we not decided to massacre 5000 American servicemen in Iraq for no purpose.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 16, 2019 12:43 am
Yuck...
Urbane Guerrilla • Nov 28, 2019 11:40 pm
tw;1041443 wrote:
Simply keep bending metal back and forth. It eventually breaks - just like metal wires on poles constantly bending back and forth in high winds.

Transformer fires more often happen after some other external event - a fallen wires, lightning strikes, etc. All eliminated when transformers are underground with the wires.


To fatigue metal, you have to bend it beyond its elastic limit. Guess what: they don't *do* that with transmission lines. Learn metal fatigue and stop being such an anticorporate three-headed slut. Kascinski's already in jail for that.

You still see fires in electrical vaults and none to say exactly why. Internal failures still happen. Consider what a transformer does -- and the amps and volts it does it with -- high-energy environments, however canned, host high-energy events like transformer oil catching fire.

How to make a nation more product[sic] and wealthier. Invest money into what makes equipment and systems more reliable and last longer. And not waste $3 trillion on wars only justified by emotions and lies.

We are still paying for off that $3 trillion fiasco (and another $2 trillion in a nearby country).

"Why does nobody ever follow MY agenda! It's superior!!! I personally thought it up!!1! (It doesn't have any of that icky prodemocracy stuff)"
Mockery to one side, this is the sort of thing tw's mentality coughs up because he cannot live a virtuous life -- were that to happen, suddenly something in tw-world would be worthy! Not something tw will quietly tolerate.

CA electric problems are simply another symptoms of money games that now must exist.

Must? Really? Try making some sort of argument by way of demonstration.

Why do electric wires costs so much more to bury that 24 inch pipe lines?

Keep this from being rhetorical by finding out why.

But then we would have had $3 trillion to invest had we not decided to massacre 5000 American servicemen in Iraq for no purpose.

All thoughtful persons must recognize with me that autocracies and tyrannies have to sprout and then flourish over all the world -- then all the world will suck just like me, and I'll have all the miserable company available."
No thanks. A man of liberty like me knows that societies conceived in and dedicated to liberty are the only worthwhile ones. Indeed, they are the only ones tolerable. One therefore could not disapprove of tyrant-smashing and regime change in the more libertarian, less sociopath-driven direction -- can you name an autocrat, a man on horseback, who isn't a few steps down the socio path? I don't believe I could. Clinically rational, perhaps -- but they're all nearer to Emperor Ming than to Jimmy Carter.
Urbane Guerrilla • Nov 28, 2019 11:48 pm
Oh, yeah: heavy rain today in L.A. and surrounding counties, ushering me out of a six-day hospital stay and vascular surgery with hi-tech roto-rooters. So minimally invasive you only seem to need local anaesthetic: I can be certain they used Lidocaine when they finally (it was complicated, they had trouble getting the blood flowing and had to de-clot and rooter my leg veins again) withdrew the artery catheter.
glatt • Nov 29, 2019 6:50 am
Urbane, I’m glad that ordeal is over for you and hope the procedure is completely effective.
fargon • Nov 29, 2019 8:10 am
We will pray for your swift recovery.
Griff • Dec 1, 2019 11:29 am
Good luck man, get out and about.
Urbane Guerrilla • Dec 4, 2019 12:33 am
Thanks, you guys, you're wonderful. Trying to recover from the infection I went in for -- trying to score an appointment to get the plantar sore treated -- where this all started. I will use, once arranged, a post-op monster-boot to take the load off there. Until then, am gimping about on a cane and being veeeery strategic about how much moving around I do. Outing and abouting may be a bit of a struggle for a little while. Living on antibiotics and Tylenol.

The weatherweenies are advising us to be ready for heavy rain tomorrow as another storm blows through SoCal. We're having the seasonal 'atmospheric river' which is bringing moisture. Not sure if they used to call it the 'Pineapple Express.'
tw • Dec 5, 2019 9:27 pm
Now that they removed it, can you still tell that it is going to rain?
Urbane Guerrilla • Dec 8, 2019 12:30 am
Aaahh... I gotta look out the window, and listen for the downspouts in heavier rainfall, and rain pattering on the nearest carport roof in lighter.

We only get rains in winter, and a good rainfall is appreciated.
Gravdigr • Dec 16, 2019 1:25 pm
Man, it is coming a piss-pouring flood atm. It's really coming down.

Thinkin' 'bout buildin' a boat...
glatt • Dec 16, 2019 5:27 pm
At least it’s a cold, raw, dark rain. We got that going for us.
Griff • Dec 16, 2019 6:30 pm
See, ya gotta look at the bright side.


Winter Storm is afoot.
tw • Dec 16, 2019 6:32 pm
Griff;1043146 wrote:
Winter Storm is afoot.

My foot looks nothing like winter.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 16, 2019 11:45 pm
If you had a foot you'd be living large in the center of the CA porn industry.
Griff • Dec 17, 2019 3:58 pm
Just ice here. Snow to the North.
fargon • Dec 17, 2019 5:34 pm
Just cold till Thursday then it gets warmer 35 Christmas Day YAY!!!
captainhook455 • Dec 19, 2019 7:51 pm
No ice or snow just cold. Sucks to drive the PA. interstates.

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Griff • Dec 19, 2019 7:52 pm
14 F rfn
tw • Dec 19, 2019 10:59 pm
Griff;1043267 wrote:
14 F rfn

It can't be that cold. It's not winter yet.

However I have noticed an unusual number of Snow Geese flying south since September. What do they know?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 20, 2019 2:21 am
Chance of a white Christmas (1" or more)
Gravdigr • Dec 22, 2019 8:23 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1043288 wrote:
Chance of a white Christmas (1" or more)


An inch is a pretty short line.
Clodfobble • Dec 22, 2019 8:59 pm
Well, "not expected" is a bit of an understatement for most of that brown area, too. :)
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 22, 2019 10:10 pm
Yes but stranger things have happened. Was it last winter or the year before one day we had snow in all 50 states.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 22, 2019 11:29 pm
We're cold and a little short on sunlight,
but we'll be brighter,
we'll be warmer baby,
just as soon as we are able.
Gravdigr • Dec 23, 2019 12:23 am
Now I gotta go listen to Rocky Raccoon.
Clodfobble • Dec 23, 2019 1:29 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1043423 wrote:
Yes but stranger things have happened. Was it last winter or the year before one day we had snow in all 50 states.
Though to be fair, "snow in Texas" itself doesn't mean much--the Panhandle is WAY farther north than the Hill Country.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 23, 2019 11:47 pm
Sure and Hawaii it's on the top of tall mountains, just saying anything can happen when mom Nature has a hissy fit. I think Flagstaff got hammered last winter, I remember some AZ guys pissing and moaning on another forum.
Gravdigr • Dec 25, 2019 2:06 pm
It is currently 66 degrees here in South Central.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 26, 2019 12:09 am
Brrrr...
Griff • Dec 26, 2019 8:24 am
purty though
Undertoad • Dec 29, 2019 1:12 pm
Undertoad, pointing out that RCP8.5 is unlikely;1026714 wrote:
RCP 8.5 "assumes the fastest population growth (a doubling of Earth&#8217;s population to 12 billion), the lowest rate of technology development, slow GDP growth, a massive increase in world poverty, plus high energy use and emissions."

World poverty is decreasing rapidly... innovation in solar and storage and efficiency continue. Emissions in developed countries are kinda flat.


NY Mag Intelligencer now agrees, with a very thorough and well-researched article: We&#8217;re Getting a Clearer Picture of the Climate Future &#8212; and It&#8217;s Not as Bad as It Once Looked.

It finds that RCP8.5 is now highly unlikely, in light of a new International Energy Agency report which puts warming at, most likely, about 3 degrees by end of 2100.

Author has conversations with climate scientists about this, and from his POV, there's a developing consensus on it (bold mine):

I&#8217;ve spent the last few weeks trying to wrap my head around all of this, speaking with energy analysts and climate scientists (including Hausfather) about just what these projections mean for our understanding of where we are headed. Nearly every one has told me the IEA projections, while limited in ways, nevertheless represent a more plausible projection of the medium-term energy future than is contained in RCP8.5. Most &#8212; though not all &#8212; told me that they did not see RCP8.5 as a plausible scenario, even in the absence of meaningful climate policy. Honestly, this surprised me; while objections to RCP8.5 have been around for a decade or more, those who view it skeptically now seem to outnumber those who see it as useful &#8212; at least as a vision of a &#8220;business as usual&#8221; future.


This doesn't mean it's not a problem; three degrees of warming still has a large impact, just not the nightmare scenarios of RCP8.5.
tw • Dec 29, 2019 3:44 pm
So don't worry; be happy.
sexobon • Dec 29, 2019 6:48 pm
Let the sunshine, let the sunshine in, the sunshine in
Let the sunshine, let the sunshine in, the sunshine in
Let the sunshine, let the sunshine in,&#8230;
Gravdigr • Dec 29, 2019 8:55 pm
I'll take an order of Sunshine, please.

Damn moist here lately...
Luce • Dec 30, 2019 9:52 am
35 damn degrees in Tucson.

I moved here specifically because I was told it was warm.
Griff • Dec 30, 2019 10:24 am
Moisture issues here as well. At least it's warmer than Tucson... /s I want my ski mountain back!
Gravdigr • Dec 30, 2019 4:19 pm
Luce;1043820 wrote:
35 damn degrees in Tucson.

I moved here specifically because I was told it was warm.


It's a dry heat.

:stickpoke
Luce • Dec 30, 2019 4:21 pm
Gravdigr;1043870 wrote:
It's a dry heat.

:stickpoke


I love that line.

When it's 120F, it doesn't matter what kind of heat it is.
Gravdigr • Dec 30, 2019 8:53 pm
Heard some comedian say "That's like getting hit by a bus, and someone saying "Yeah, but it's a dry bus"."
Gravdigr • Jan 11, 2020 11:24 am
The wind and the rain.

OMG, the wind and the rain.
Griff • Jan 11, 2020 12:01 pm
Yeah, fucked pattern right now.
fargon • Jan 11, 2020 1:04 pm
21F on my patio rite now, mostly sunny.
monster • Jan 11, 2020 1:32 pm
So. Much. Rain. Up to about three inches so far, I heard. Ran a 5K in it this morning, it was ankle deep. If it was falling as snow, though, we'd be beyond buried right now, so there's that.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 12, 2020 1:07 am
Saturday and Sunday near 70 with rain overnight. The yard is very squishy.
Carruthers • Jan 12, 2020 6:05 am
The heavens opened just after 0800 and delivered a large volume of rain in short order.

It's been chucking it down more or less constantly for the the last two or three months.

The back garden slopes and is chalk just below a shallow covering of topsoil, so it should be well drained but the lawn is almost marshy and my feet nearly went from under me when I went out to attend to the bird feeders.

OTOH, the stream at the bottom of the garden was pretty much bone dry until a few weeks ago.

It rises in a spring at the end of the road and is now flowing quite well, the water table having risen sufficiently.

Admittedly you couldn't go white water rafting on it, but it's a dramatic improvement.
limey • Jan 12, 2020 7:10 am
We're expecting a force 11 gale about 3pm tomorrow. Batten the hatches!
Carruthers • Jan 12, 2020 8:08 am
limey;1044514 wrote:
We're expecting a force 11 gale about 3pm tomorrow. Batten the hatches!


Just in the last couple of minutes Storm Brendan was mentioned in the lunchtime weather forecast and the likely effect it will have especially in Scotland and N Ireland tomorrow.


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Looks like fun, doesn't it? :eek:


Link
Griff • Jan 12, 2020 8:41 am
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xoxoxoBruce • Jan 12, 2020 9:28 am
Better tie down the wheelbarrows...
Griff • Jan 12, 2020 9:32 am
Damn. Be safe!
Gravdigr • Jan 15, 2020 2:22 pm
Currently 68.7 degrees here in South Central.

And a tad mucky, I have a bout a quarter inch of mud on my patio.
Griff • Jan 17, 2020 8:03 am
4" of snow and 10 degrees F
Gravdigr • Jan 17, 2020 9:09 am
Did the sun go out? Woke up froze damn solid this morning.

It ain't ten degrees, though, that's painful to think about.

29 and overcast...
glatt • Jan 17, 2020 9:14 am
It's supposed to be cold, so I can't complain, but when you get used to the 60-70s and have to deal with this a couple days later, it is a bit of a shock. I had to put on a hat this morning!
Griff • Jan 17, 2020 9:16 am
Nice sunny day here anyway, just cold.
fargon • Jan 17, 2020 1:07 pm
21F and waiting for the snow.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 17, 2020 1:32 pm
The sun is brightly shining, and we reached 32 degrees.
Balmy, I tells ya, absolutely balmy.




So is the weather.
Gravdigr • Jan 20, 2020 11:36 am
20.0 degrees with a pretty good breeze and spitting snow.

Something has changed on the patio in the last couple of years, and the wind just howls around the back door. It doesn't take much of a wind to just moan like there's no tomorrow. The sound alone is freezing me solid.[/f'nbrr]
Carruthers • Jan 20, 2020 5:48 pm
-1C officially, but judging by the grass crunching underfoot it's a fair bit colder than that here in sleepy hollow.

The weekend brought us the first really frosty nights of the winter and a much needed break from the rain.

Thankfully the roads were dry before temperatures fell.

Most winters bring a couple of days when circumstances combine to deliver black ice in a fairly restricted area.

This normally results in the 'Give Way' sign at the end of the road being flattened as drivers are caught out.

With luck we'll get through without that happening this year.


Thread drift. There's a Badger just outside my window!
Gravdigr • Jan 20, 2020 8:37 pm
He's cold, let 'im in!!
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 21, 2020 12:09 am
Sure if he's European...
Griff • Jan 21, 2020 7:26 am
7F clear skies and no wind on this side of the mountain.
BigV • Jan 21, 2020 12:33 pm
Both ElderSon and SonofV live in Rochester.

This news item caught my attention this morning.

Very, very snowy.
Gravdigr • Jan 21, 2020 2:12 pm
Best send those boys a shovel.
Griff • Jan 21, 2020 2:43 pm
They take winter seriously out there.
fargon • Jan 21, 2020 3:06 pm
They get all of our Snow, and they can have it.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 22, 2020 3:14 am
Rochester is brutal with that lake effect snow.

Oct totals = 0.0 inches in 2019 to 2.6 inches in 1993
Nov totals = 0.0 inches in 2009 to 44.2 inches in 1970
Dec totals = 2.3 inches in 2015 to 46.5 inches in 2010
Jan totals = 4.0 inches in 1944 to 60.2 inches in 1966
Feb totals = 4.7 inches in 1998 to 64.8 inches in 1958
Mar totals = 0.0 inches in 2010 to 40.3 inches in 1959
Apr totals = 0.0 inches in 2015 to 20.2 inches in 1979
May totals = 0.0 inches in 2019 to 10.9 inches in 1989

Year totals = 41.7 inches in 1952-53 to 161.7 inches in 1959-60
From 1940 up, 33 years over 100 inches, and 8 years over 130 inches.

No thank you.
Diaphone Jim • Jan 22, 2020 12:17 pm
San Francisco F temps this week: lows 52, highs 62, no relief in sight.
Gravdigr • Jan 22, 2020 1:52 pm
Relief from what?!
Luce • Jan 22, 2020 2:40 pm
Gravdigr;1045270 wrote:
Relief from what?!


A Jack London hellscape.
glatt • Jan 22, 2020 3:06 pm
Ah yes. The Sea Wolf starts off in San Francisco. A Jack London classic.
Gravdigr • Jan 22, 2020 6:12 pm
52 - 62 sounds just fine right about now.
BigV • Jan 22, 2020 8:21 pm
So. Much. Rain.

Not especially stormy, just. . . jfc. pounding rain. It's literally pounding the stain off the deck. I've had to reinforce the driveway with a couple more tons of gravel.

the deck, powerwashed by god

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the driveway, mid patch, mid batch. I only feel comfortable loading 3/4 ton at a time (and unloading it a bucket at a time).

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xoxoxoBruce • Jan 23, 2020 1:17 am
I know the pain, the last place I lived was clay that turned to mud if you spit on it. Every summer we'd call the man to dump 25 ton of stone on the driveway. Then spread it by hand because a wire over the driveway prevented him from spreading it with the truck. :bonk:
Griff • Jan 23, 2020 7:26 am
What is the base under your driveway?

We used crushed 2" and under including fines so it bonds together. I'm no road builder but I wonder if that surface would hold up better than pea?

Full disclosure: my driveway needs work next summer.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 23, 2020 9:09 am
I was surprised, 35 years ago I had a paved pull off to my mailbox so the mailman could stop out of the line of fire with people cresting the hill 40 feet away. Over the years they've repaved the road a couple times so it became higher than my pull off and dumped the water from the road to my side making a long mud bog by the mailbox.

I figured I'd have a load of stone dumped, and I asked the guy if I should go with small stone, say half inch, or bigger stuff like inch or inch and a half. He said nope, four inch. I thought that was nuts and would make it rough as hell. But he was right. After the mailman, heating oil truck, and UPS truck rolled over a couple times it all packed down tighter than an bulls ass at fly time. This is the second winter and we've had double the normal rain last year. It's still tight.

The pros know.
Diaphone Jim • Jan 23, 2020 12:40 pm
I've been hauling pea gravel for my driveway once or twice a year for 47 years.
At a ton a GMC load, I think I have a pretty good base by now.
Clodfobble • Jan 23, 2020 4:00 pm
Oh! Oh! Mr. Clod and I were just having a discussion about road paving, and maybe you guys can help.

When they repaved our street a few years back, it wasn't normal blacktop but rather a deep layer of gray gravel--only he and I remember the thickness differently. He says that the smooth surface was underneath, and the loose gravel was just some leftover that they didn't bother to sweep off; I maintain that the gravel WAS the surface, and it packed down to smoothness over the course of about 6 months from all the neighborhood cars going over it, and that this was in fact the intended design of the product. But I can't find proof that such a thing exists. "Unbound surface aggregate" was the closest descriptor I could come up with from Google, but all the results are huge PDFs that I can't make much sense of.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 24, 2020 2:43 am
Two kinds of asphalt paving, blacktop which is the asphalt mixed with the aggregate like cookie dough. That's dumped into a paving machine that spreads it out hot and smooth. Actually more than two when you start looking at all the different mixes, but two basic styles.

In the sticks all we ever saw was what they called oil & stone. They would sweep any loose crap off the road and spray hot liquid asphalt on it. next they would coat the road with pea stone which settled into the asphalt as it cooled. For awhile driving on the shit would sound like Buddy Rich beating on the bottom of your car. Eventually the stone would get locked down, well most of it, then what was still loose would get tossed by vehicles or washed by rain, off the side. In hot weather if the road got sticky someplace like by your mailbox or some place the kids walked you could sometimes retrieve that surplus pea stone back on to the sticky spots. The oil & stone way covers the road pretty evenly so bumps and dips remain, unlike the blacktop which is smooth.
Clodfobble • Jan 24, 2020 7:50 am
Yes, that sounds like it! Stupidly loud to drive on for months. Google says it's known by lots of names, but "tar and chip" seems the most common. The images look right, anyway.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 24, 2020 10:17 am
Yeah, different slang terms around the country for the same process. The people who do it and the people who watch it may use different terms as well.
Gravdigr • Jan 24, 2020 5:45 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1045393 wrote:
...The people who do it and the people who watch it...


:rolleyes:
Griff • Jan 25, 2020 8:56 am
It's called "pie crust" or "chipping" here. It's ah,.. not great.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 25, 2020 10:16 am
More gooder than not paved though. I remember when the mailman and school bus wouldn't come past the end of the pavement, so all the mailboxes had to be there for people living past that point.
Griff • Jan 25, 2020 10:42 am
Yeah, Dad tells stories about using the horses to pull the mailman and the milk through and how it was better in the winter when everything was frozen.
BigV • Jan 25, 2020 7:16 pm
Clodfobble;1045348 wrote:
Oh! Oh! Mr. Clod and I were just having a discussion about road paving, and maybe you guys can help.

When they repaved our street a few years back, it wasn't normal blacktop but rather a deep layer of gray gravel--only he and I remember the thickness differently. He says that the smooth surface was underneath, and the loose gravel was just some leftover that they didn't bother to sweep off; I maintain that the gravel WAS the surface, and it packed down to smoothness over the course of about 6 months from all the neighborhood cars going over it, and that this was in fact the intended design of the product. But I can't find proof that such a thing exists. "Unbound surface aggregate" was the closest descriptor I could come up with from Google, but all the results are huge PDFs that I can't make much sense of.


I've learned the term "chip seal" to describe the scenario in your neighborhood and on the street in front of our house. Your understanding is precisely correct.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 25, 2020 11:21 pm
Oil & Stone
Carruthers • Feb 8, 2020 5:59 am
As I type, mug of tea to hand, the sun is shining through some thin, high cloud and there's a light breeze. Tis the lull before the storm.

The Met Office has been drawing attention to the arrival of Storm Ciara since the beginning of the week.

It has its roots in Texas and was responsible for dumping snow on Oklahoma a couple of days ago.

It has been zipping across the Atlantic and a UK wide weather warning has been issued for 0800 - 2100 tomorrow.

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To put some meat on the bones:

Storm Ciara will bring a spell of very strong winds. Disruption to travel is likely during Sunday.

What to expect

Flying debris could lead to Injuries or danger to life

Some damage to buildings, such as tiles blown from roofs expected

Longer journey times and cancellations, as road, rail, air and ferry services affected

Some roads and bridges closed

Power cuts with the potential to affect other services, such as mobile phone coverage

Injuries and danger to life from large waves and beach material being thrown onto sea fronts, coastal roads and properties



The leaning tower of conifer in the bank at the bottom of the garden is a constant concern in these conditions.

It sways worryingly in high winds but, as Gravdigr observed, while it's moving I shouldn't worry too much. (I paraphrase slightly).

However, the even taller ash and sycamores across the stream are old and clad with ivy and would cause one hell of a mess if they fell.

So, it's a question of watch and pray, although not necessarily in that order. :eek:

UK Met Office
Griff • Feb 8, 2020 8:25 am
It was raining when I met my boss at Dunkin yesterday. 1 1/2 hours later I was driving in 3 inches of snow, by nightfall the Subaru was knocking down snow drifts. Prolly 7" on the day plus drifting.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 8, 2020 10:01 am
It sprinkled a little yesterday but the Sun visited too. It appears I also survived. :crone:
fargon • Feb 8, 2020 10:05 am
The sun is shining and it is snowing. And 25F on my patio.
Gravdigr • Feb 9, 2020 12:17 am
We got about ½" (snow) day before yesterday.

Made urrthang purty for half a day...
Carruthers • Feb 9, 2020 2:18 am
It's about 0700 here and I've been awake since 0430.
The wind is gusting to 50mph and forecast to be 65mph by lunchtime.
As far as I can tell, nothing has fallen over or ended up in the next parish... yet.

Our electricity supply is via overhead line so if branches start flying about there's a good chance we'll lose power.
I'm presently looking after a neighbour's house which is supplied by underground cable so if push comes to shove I'll permit myself to use her microwave with explanation and apologies later on.
Said neighbour is due back from Germany this evening but I understand that cancellation of the flight is odds on.

I await meteorological developments. :eek:
Carruthers • Feb 9, 2020 6:08 am
I ventured out a couple of hours ago and things were not too bad at that stage.

However, on the way back I saw a tree which had snapped clean in two in the front garden of a house.

It wasn't the tallest tree you'll ever see but I wouldn't have wanted to be near it when the top half fell.

I've just been to check the neighbour's house and a few bits of debris were flying around the place.

The wind speed has increased considerably and I am now quite worried as to what might happen over the next few hours.

I'm getting lunch as early as decently possible in the hope that I can finish it before a power cut which is to be expected under the circumstances.

The neighbour's flight from Germany has been cancelled and, looking at FlightRadar24 website, I see several aircraft have had more than one attempt at landing at Heathrow.

That's it. The kitchen awaits!
Griff • Feb 9, 2020 8:18 am
Yikes! Let's be careful out there.
fargon • Feb 9, 2020 8:37 am
It's 19F on my patio, and there is 4" of snow on my grills.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 9, 2020 10:49 am
What is this snow you speak of, some sort of padded grill cover? :haha:
fargon • Feb 9, 2020 2:56 pm
Shit No One Want's.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 9, 2020 11:49 pm
We've been up in the 40s most every day, but 4 rain days coming this week. I'm rusting.
Gravdigr • Feb 10, 2020 3:39 am
Yeah, the weather bunny down here says upper forties - low fifties, and rain til Thursday.
Griff • Feb 10, 2020 7:22 am
Morning xc ski in a nice snow today. Apparently freezing rain at lower elevations...:neutral:
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 10, 2020 2:01 pm
See, life is better when you're high... at least the skiing is. ;)
Gravdigr • Feb 15, 2020 4:03 am
I'm told it was a pretty day today. Didn't break thirty, though.

19 rfn.

Brr.
Griff • Feb 15, 2020 7:55 am
2 F rfn
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 15, 2020 9:25 am
Better for snuggling. I've got 20 which is 10 times better.
fargon • Feb 15, 2020 9:34 am
22 F RFN
Carruthers • Feb 16, 2020 5:17 am
Last weekend it was Storm Ciara, this weekend it's Storm Denis and it hasn't been much better in between.

My neighbour was due back home last Sunday from Germany but her flight was cancelled because of high winds at Heathrow.

She couldn't get a flight on Monday because the storm had, by then, moved into Germany so no departures.

She's back in the country but not yet back home as she's with family elsewhere.

I woke up at 0400 on Thursday and the power was off, although I think it might have failed a couple of hours earlier.

Text messages from the distribution company said that a fuse in a sub station had failed and we were to expect the supply to be restored by 0930.:rolleyes:

Updates told us that branches were fouling the overhead lines and they needed to be dealt with before any semblance or normality returned.

After a false start just before 1400, which was accompanied by a loud bang somewhere in the vicinity, we were re-connected at just after 1500.

In order to keep us supplied with tea, I had to keep going to the neighbour's house (see above) and boiling a kettle on her gas cooker.

I will offer her an explanation when she returns and proffer thanks.

Last night Storm Denis was blowing a hooley but this morning everything is still standing, including the mighty 'leaning tower of fir tree' at the bottom of the garden.

There's a rare red warning for the South Wales valleys this morning which signifies danger to life.

The area is expecting up to 4.7 inches of rain in short order. Link

This winter is beginning to get a bit tedious.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 16, 2020 5:32 am
I never thought I would say this but, condolences on your blowjob. :blush:
Gravdigr • Feb 16, 2020 6:07 am
Heh...Nothing like a blowie that takes a coupla days from which to recover.:cool:
Urbane Guerrilla • Feb 24, 2020 7:33 pm
Clear and sunny in SoCal RFN. Highs in the low seventies F... 23-24 C for our SI correspondents.

{strutting boastfully on L.A.'s behalf; we still get earthquake summaries with the weather in the paper}
Gravdigr • Feb 24, 2020 8:09 pm
Quite moist here, atm.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 25, 2020 1:34 am
One Saturday morning in January I saw a little dandruff on the lawn but by noon the rain washed it away. Nice winter.
Happy Monkey • Feb 25, 2020 3:05 am
Windows open in February.
Urbane Guerrilla • Feb 26, 2020 12:14 am
Happy Monkey;1047299 wrote:
Windows open in February.


Same here.
Carruthers • Feb 28, 2020 9:58 am
The recent Storms Ciara and Denis dumped a huge volume of rain on the UK and it hasn't really stopped raining since.

There has been severe flooding along the River Severn in Shropshire and Worcestershire.

I heard a news reporter yesterday say that 500 tonnes of water a second were passing through Ironbridge.

To cap it all, we now have Storm Jorge about to pay us a visit with 70mph gales and another 80mm of rain.

It's been chucking it down all day here and the back lawn is like a marsh.

That, of course, pales into insignificance when you look at the damage that has been done in other parts of the country.

Incidentally, as the Spanish Met Service named the storm Jorge, we have to pronounce it 'Hor-hay'.

If you ask me, the whole thing is getting beyond a hoke.

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I always find January and February hard going and it doesn't help that I have a birthday at that time of year.

Birthdays are a bit like the Reader's Digest.

No matter how many times you cancel, they still keep sending them.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 28, 2020 5:17 pm
Damn, 500 tonnes is 132,530 gallons per second, talk about an irresistible force. :eek:

Speaking of tough birthdays, both my parents were born on December 27th.
Gravdigr • Feb 28, 2020 7:04 pm
Heh, I did the math on that, too.

Well, I let the Google do it...
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 29, 2020 12:20 am
I started to do it with a small hand calculator but it didn't have enough spaces, so I tried the Windows calculator but couldn't figure out how to divide on that thing, so did it by hand. :smack:
Carruthers • Feb 29, 2020 5:47 am
It's not just the volume of water on the move that would worry me; it's what might be in it.

The surface drainage and sewerage system is overloaded to the point where manhole covers are forced off and the contents enter into the mix.

The opening shots of the video above shows that the flooding abuts a sewerage treatment plant.

It's possible that there are measures that can be taken to prevent contamination of the flood water but I wouldn't put money on it.
Gravdigr • Feb 29, 2020 10:32 am
Your comment reminds me of a Ron White-ism:

It's not that the wind is blowing; it's what the wind is blowing,


He was talking about those weathermen that feel the need to report from the actual hurricane front...
sexobon • Feb 29, 2020 10:38 am
Gravdigr;1047577 wrote:
Heh, I did the math on that, too.

Well, I let the Google do it...

xoxoxoBruce;1047584 wrote:
I started to do it with a small hand calculator but it didn't have enough spaces, so I tried the Windows calculator but couldn't figure out how to divide on that thing, so did it by hand. :smack:

I asked Alexa, who instantly had the the answer. When I told her how you guys were figuring it out, she laughed and she laughed...
Gravdigr • Feb 29, 2020 10:47 am
Yeah, well, ...:unsure: ...

[SIZE="1"]That's all I got.[/SIZE]
Urbane Guerrilla • Feb 29, 2020 4:46 pm
That much forced air means Ron's cigar burns down to a stub in ten seconds. Impairing his enjoyment.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 29, 2020 6:55 pm
The flood water and all the shit it carries with it, is not just a figure of speech. Virtually all floods are contaminated with fecal matter from multiple species. But there's two types of floods, first, the rising water that submerges everything then recedes to expose a soggy contaminated world. The other is the rampaging flood which destroys everything in its path with unimaginable force and violence leaving in its wake contaminated rubble. The thing they have in common is shitty water.

Shit isn't the danger, it dries out and can be cleaned up. The danger is shit is food, wonderful nutritious food for things we don't want to feed. Nasty, deadly things we compete with every day for domination.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 29, 2020 7:00 pm
sexobon;1047605 wrote:
I asked Alexa, who instantly had the the answer. When I told her how you guys were figuring it out, she laughed and she laughed...
She was laughing from happiness that you told her because up to that point she had no idea what I was doing. She doesn't like that.
tw • Feb 29, 2020 7:24 pm
Carruthers;1047587 wrote:
It's not just the volume of water on the move that would worry me; it's what might be in it.

In Australia, it is crocodiles and exotic poisonous snakes. What are a few (trillion) tiny bacteria compared to that?

How wide (kilometers) are resulting flood plains?
Carruthers • Mar 1, 2020 5:30 am
tw;1047642 wrote:
In Australia, it is crocodiles and exotic poisonous snakes. What are a few (trillion) tiny bacteria compared to that?


I'm sure that as the good people of Shropshire and Worcestershire trudge through a toxic soup of sewage, farm animal slurry, agricultural chemicals, oil and petrol, at the forefront of their minds will be the marked absence of crocodiles swimming down the High Street and black mambas in the basement.
sexobon • Mar 1, 2020 9:37 am
Where the Australians failed, the British succeeded by making their flood waters too toxic for crocodiles and exotic poisonous snakes to inhabit. A feather in their cap. Every cloud has a silver lining.
tw • Mar 1, 2020 1:48 pm
Carruthers;1047669 wrote:
... at the forefront of their minds will be the marked absence of crocodiles swimming down the High Street and black mambas in the basement.

Always looking for the good side in life, are you?
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 1, 2020 2:31 pm
Carruthers;1047669 wrote:
I'm sure that as the good people of Shropshire and Worcestershire trudge through a toxic soup of sewage, farm animal slurry, agricultural chemicals, oil and petrol, at the forefront of their minds will be the marked absence of crocodiles swimming down the High Street and black mambas in the basement.


Nonsense, Mambas don't move to the basement for nobody, they'll take the master bedroom thank you very much, you go argue with the Gators over the basement. :haha:
Clodfobble • Mar 1, 2020 3:09 pm
The first 4 mambas aren't a problem, it's Mamba #5 you have to watch out for...
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 2, 2020 1:04 am
I'm watching, I watching... :eyeball::eyeball:

A little bit of Monica in my life
A little bit of Erica by my side
A little bit of Rita is all I need
A little bit of Tina is what I see
A little bit of Sandra in the sun
A little bit of Mary all night long
A little bit of Jessica, here I am
A little bit of you makes me your man
Carruthers • Mar 2, 2020 5:12 am
Carruthers;1047669 wrote:
...at the forefront of their minds will be the marked absence of crocodiles swimming down the High Street and black mambas in the basement.


tw;1047687 wrote:
Always looking for the good side in life, are you?


irony (noun):

the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
Carruthers • Mar 2, 2020 5:46 am
And so it goes on...

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Flooding in Snaith, East Yorkshire.


According to a report on the radio this morning, the occupants of this bungalow expect to have to demolish their home.

According to the Met Office, we should have some respite from the rain this week, but how long it will take for the flood waters to subside is anyone's guess.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 2, 2020 9:01 am
There's proof right there that solar panels cause floods.
tw • Mar 2, 2020 10:46 am
Apparently they thought solar panels would minimize expenses. We can all learn.
BigV • Mar 2, 2020 3:03 pm
power's not out, it just moved to higher ground
tw • Mar 3, 2020 12:32 am
BigV;1047736 wrote:
... it just moved to higher ground

Just like a wild animal. Curious.

So going green (ie solar panels) is also like going back to nature?

I guess when they said they wanted to get closer to nature, that was not what they meant.
Gravdigr • Mar 3, 2020 8:46 pm
A violent storm system skipped/skimmed us last night, and went on to tear east Nashville a new asshole w/fairly destructive tornado. I think the storm system killed like 21 or so ppl across Tennessee.

We got lucky.
tw • Mar 3, 2020 9:38 pm
Tornado season is March through June. Weather wasted no time getting started.
Carruthers • Mar 4, 2020 3:46 am
Gravdigr;1047778 wrote:
A violent storm system skipped/skimmed us last night, and went on to tear east Nashville a new asshole w/fairly destructive tornado. I think the storm system killed like 21 or so ppl across Tennessee.

We got lucky.


I saw reports of that tornado on the TV news last night.

There was one large building shown that had sustained an extraordinary amount of damage.

I think it might be the one briefly shown at the beginning of this drone footage.

Pleased to hear that you avoided the tempest.

Link
Griff • Mar 4, 2020 7:21 am
Damn. Glad you're safe.
Happy Monkey • Mar 4, 2020 1:32 pm
Not a tornado, but a similarly geographically-concentrated storm leaving a visible trail behind it
Gravdigr • Mar 4, 2020 3:00 pm
Wow.

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Gravdigr • Mar 4, 2020 3:11 pm
D'oh!:smack:

I just saw the IOTD pic...:bonk:
glatt • Mar 4, 2020 4:38 pm
:D
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 5, 2020 2:52 am
Gravdigr;1047778 wrote:
A violent storm system skipped/skimmed us last night, and went on to tear east Nashville a new asshole w/fairly destructive tornado. I think the storm system killed like 21 or so ppl across Tennessee.

We got lucky.


Lot of trashed million dollar planes in the mess...
BigV • Mar 5, 2020 3:08 pm
That's *so* Wizard of Oz, just drop a damn house on 'em.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 5, 2020 10:55 pm
See, poor people don't appreciate the stress imposed on the 1%.
BigV • Mar 14, 2020 3:02 pm
Snowing here at midday. Just flurries, not sticking. Pretty cold.
Griff • Mar 14, 2020 5:49 pm
Skied in my Mario sweater today. Sunny and nice through early afternoon. Mario gets the nod because the Penguins are one of several franchises who are paying their arena staff despite the shutdown. Decency and Leadership: qualities this country needs more of.
tw • Mar 14, 2020 6:03 pm
Griff;1048487 wrote:
Skied in my Mario sweater today. Sunny and nice through early afternoon.more of.
This is March. A human, who has properly acclimated to the climate, is comfortable in shorts on a 5 degree C day. That same person, in a October, is freezing (heavily clothed) in a 10 degree C (50+ degree F) day.

Snow bunnies, who are healthy because they have acclimated, are skiing in bikinis.

Who will live longer? A person who acclimates.

A concept with too many letters for an obese president (or his anti-American supporters - ie Rush Limbaught) to understand. It requires more than a 30 second attention span.
Urbane Guerrilla • Mar 20, 2020 10:16 pm
tw;1048490 wrote:
A concept with too many letters for an obese president (or his anti-American supporters - ie Rush Limbaught) to understand. It requires more than a 30 second attention span.


You shouldn't entertain opinions that are that stupid. Trump likes America; his unfortunate predecessor, not so much. Rush (I speak from experience you don't have) likes America more than the two of them put together, having waved that banner for three decades, and of course it is indisputable fact he deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom for a pro-America job well done, over a lifetime. No bitching -- it makes you look small and infected with some virus.

You could convert and your individuality would not vanish. Once you attain that epiphany, who knows? -- with your being so reordered, you might find a lifemate.

Do you now acclimate to epiphany, or do you still dwell in the outer darkness where it's hard to hear the gnashing of your teeth?
tw • Mar 22, 2020 12:17 pm
Urbane Guerrilla;1048930 wrote:
Trump likes America
Of course he does. He could rape someone on Fifth Ave and still get elected president.
Urbane Guerrilla • Mar 28, 2020 10:04 pm
With some help from fairminded types like me, yeah.

Now, tw would only rape Trump on 5th -- any Fifth I guess -- if he seriously felt like being wrestled to the ground in the approved Secret Service style.

The epiphany has not yet occurred.

Failure to epiphanize is not the way to impress me with a keen intellect, is it now?
Happy Monkey • Mar 29, 2020 2:33 pm
tw;1049063 wrote:
Of course he does. He could rape someone on Fifth Ave and still get elected president.
Urbane Guerrilla;1049653 wrote:
With some help from fairminded types like me, yeah.
For posterity.
BigV • Mar 29, 2020 3:22 pm
for posteriors

FTFY
zippyt • Mar 29, 2020 11:09 pm
the weather damn sure Was relevant yesterday , there was a ef3 tornado less than 10 miles from us , tore the Holly HELL out of Jonesboro , turned east as it came towards us
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 29, 2020 11:25 pm
Duck and cover Zip, stay safe.
Clodfobble • Mar 29, 2020 11:46 pm
Damn, dude. Glad you're okay.
BigV • Mar 30, 2020 12:30 am
Tornadoes have the right of way at all times. Do not engage.
Griff • Mar 30, 2020 7:10 am
Damn. Watch the sky!
glatt • Mar 30, 2020 8:02 am
Glad it missed you.
Gravdigr • Mar 30, 2020 3:06 pm
What Glatt said, Zip.

Look uuuuup!
tw • Mar 30, 2020 11:10 pm
Before the days of doppler radar, it was quite rare for a storm chaser to even see a tornado. Let alone catch one.
Griff • Apr 3, 2020 9:47 am
hmm.. snowing pretty good, fortunately I took the snowblower off the tractor.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 4, 2020 1:02 am
Just keep throwing the frisbee until it's all packed down.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 9, 2020 8:14 am
zippyt;1049749 wrote:
the weather damn sure Was relevant yesterday , there was a ef3 tornado less than 10 miles from us , tore the Holly HELL out of Jonesboro , turned east as it came towards us


Here's some damage from Zip's tornado. :eek:
glatt • Apr 9, 2020 8:28 am
it surprises me that the trucks aren't securely attached to the bottom of the cars.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 10, 2020 1:22 am
Yes, and I expected to see them attached to the lowest part of the structure.:confused:
Griff • Apr 10, 2020 8:10 am
Morning walk today.
Diaphone Jim • Apr 10, 2020 1:13 pm
Those separable wheel trucks are hard to believe.
Urbane Guerrilla • Apr 10, 2020 3:48 pm
Train cars do not as a rule jump...
BigV • Apr 10, 2020 9:44 pm
I'm tellin you people, tornadoes have the goddamn right of way.
Urbane Guerrilla • Apr 10, 2020 11:16 pm
We just got what passes for miserable weather for SoCal: two days running of rain and frequent, closely spaced showers and temps around 50 -- dank. It let up today.

Significant rain this past week should bring us to one hundred percent of a normal annual rainfall, so there is that. The hills will stay green.
Griff • Apr 13, 2020 7:56 am
My sports watch just alarmed for a big barometric drop...
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 13, 2020 9:27 am
Hard rain and 40/50 mph wind, but only 18 mph now.
glatt • Apr 13, 2020 12:47 pm
Basement flooded a little this morning. But I cleaned pollen out of the storm drain and the water flowed out of the basement door and into the drain. Disaster averted.

Now I’m watching the breathless weathermen calling this batch of storms passing through. Weird seeing them talk about what they can see out their living room window as they point to their computer monitor radar.

Looks like the worst of the storms are passing to the East and West of me.
Griff • Apr 18, 2020 9:08 am
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fargon • Apr 18, 2020 2:48 pm
61F and sunny.
tw • Apr 19, 2020 2:47 pm
Even snowmen, who will not be around next month, are social distancing.
Urbane Guerrilla • Apr 19, 2020 6:56 pm
Upper 60's. Typing in my tee shirt w/patio open.
Griff • Apr 21, 2020 4:33 pm
46F and snowy...
BigV • Apr 22, 2020 6:00 pm
It's in the low 50s and rainy. It's cold enough to see my breath as I worked in the yard.

The light is pretty.
Urbane Guerrilla • Apr 24, 2020 8:33 pm
We're having a heat wave; out in a t-shirt (accessorized with rainbow suspenders). 5:30 pm and bright and sunny. Cat's been laying out in the sunbeam for solar-thermal power to his sable pelt.
Griff • Apr 25, 2020 9:05 am
Nicer day today, expecting bee traffic. The place is pretty muddy for my lumber project so things might be on hold a little while.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 24, 2020 12:23 am
Verkhoyansk, Siberia, first place above the Arctic Circle to ever reach 100 F that we know of.
Caribou, Maine, tied an all-time record at 96 F.

For reference, Miami, Florida has only hit 100 F once since 1896.
Griff • Jun 24, 2020 7:14 am
Grim tidings
Gravdigr • Jun 24, 2020 4:23 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1054320 wrote:
Verkhoyansk, Siberia, first place above the Arctic Circle to ever reach 100 F that we know of.
Caribou, Maine, tied an all-time record at 96 F.

For reference, Miami, Florida has only hit 100 F once since 1896.


This the place with the widest range of low-high temps anywhere on Earth. I think I read their local record low is -90F. Their new high is 100.something above. The place is wack-a-doo.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 1, 2020 4:32 pm
The wet weather brings Sprites...

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from 35 to 55 miles up...

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often obscured by storm clouds...

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Gravdigr • Jul 3, 2020 4:17 pm
Ugh...So sticky.
Diaphone Jim • Jul 3, 2020 4:55 pm
A very short time ago, there were almost no photographs of red sprites, let alone good owns.
Different conditions? Better cameras? More folks looking?
monster • Jul 3, 2020 5:53 pm
It's Damn Hot. 33C. open the poooooooooools! :lol: Kinda tempted to rummage in the garage and see if I still have the big kids' inflatable pool for this big kid :D
Griff • Jul 3, 2020 6:02 pm
Gravdigr;1054749 wrote:
Ugh...So sticky.

word
monster;1054754 wrote:
It's Damn Hot. 33C.


too lazy to figure out what this is.
monster • Jul 3, 2020 9:48 pm
fucking way over 90 apparently. SOOOOO many changes of clothes later....
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 3, 2020 11:33 pm
Yup...
tw • Jul 31, 2020 11:04 am
A hurricane is approaching Bermuda. Is predicted to affect every state on the US east coast.

That large herd of cruise ships, once hanging out in oceans surrounded by Bermuda's islands, is on the move. That herd is clearly moving in mass down the Florida coast and around the Florida keys.

Two potential hurricanes are following in Isaias's wetsteps.
Griff • Aug 1, 2020 9:18 am
https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/2020-08-01-hurricane-isaias-florida-bahamas-east-coast-forecast?cm_ven=hp-slot-1


This could be a real shit show of COVID, Shelters, and Hurricane Parties.
Gravdigr • Aug 4, 2020 7:15 pm
Had a really nice few days for August in KY.

Low eighties, low humidity. High today was 77.
Urbane Guerrilla • Aug 7, 2020 1:46 pm
We aren't getting any global warming at the coast. To find the summer, you need to drive inland.
tw • Aug 11, 2020 3:54 pm
Its fairly certain that a next hurricane will be somewhere off the NA coast in the next five days. It has not yet reached the western Atlantic side and a will probably be a topical storm by tomorrow. Nine storms by a first week of August - may be or approaching a record. This would be storm ten.
Griff • Aug 11, 2020 4:00 pm
It remains hot as hell here.
fargon • Aug 11, 2020 4:51 pm
It's Beautiful here.
Griff • Aug 11, 2020 4:54 pm
Boat weather?
fargon • Aug 11, 2020 5:06 pm
I've got to work on it, waiting for my helper to get home.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 19, 2020 1:22 am
Hot damn...
Griff • Aug 19, 2020 7:27 am
That ain't good. Our overnights have been going to the 50s of late. That is pleasing to me.
Urbane Guerrilla • Aug 19, 2020 12:28 pm
Last night was quite warm in SoCal -- room temp at dawn. Still air, humidity here at the coast, distinctly hot and dry inland apart from scattered thunderstorms -- those are unseasonable, and there's not enough of them to rain on the brush fires. Today's and tomorrow's forecast is more heat, and plenty of it.

We'd best not overcommit to our vaunted clean-energy generation, though: the entire state is on notice of Flex-Alert from midafternoon to 9pm Pacific, as we have less environment-independent generation than we used to. Solar generation begins to drop about 3:30 and steadily worsens as the sun sets. Wind basically shuts off for the sunset hours. Early afternoon is of course the highest temperature and the greatest load on the multi-state grid -- mix that with slumping generation and you've the recipe for mismanagement and rolling blackouts from here to New Mexico.
Ibby • Aug 19, 2020 10:46 pm
Completely normal headline for societies to have: California severely short on firefighting crews after COVID-19 lockdown at prison camps.

The prisoners upon whose exploitation California's fire safety plans depend are too sick to leave their "conservation camps" (they honestly call them that) to participate in forced labor.
Griff • Aug 20, 2020 6:50 am
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tw • Aug 20, 2020 8:55 pm
That large herd of cruise ships, hanging out in oceans surrounded by Bermuda's islands, must make a decision. A hurricane will probably be at their anchorages on Sunday. So they must move. Last time, the herd moved in mass into the Gulf of Mexico. No good. Another potential hurricane will be on the Yucatan Peninsula on Sunday. It could be anywhere in the Gulf.

Maybe move north into the Atlantic. This first hurricane is expected to move up the coast. And like many such storms, may turn sharper to simply chase that herd. In the next two days, they must decide and move.

Gamblers - time to place your bets.
Gravdigr • Aug 22, 2020 10:50 pm
Beautiful here, today.

Same for tomorrow.

Top down cruising!
glatt • Aug 23, 2020 6:59 am
I forgot you have a convertible now. That’s awesome.
Clodfobble • Aug 23, 2020 11:22 am
I'm generally unable to ride in convertibles (anything faster than about 35 miles per hour, and the negative air pressure causes horrible pain in my ears), but I do like a good sunroof.
sexobon • Aug 23, 2020 12:02 pm
Yeabut, if you're wearing a tube top, you don't need a convertible to ride with your top down. :D
Gravdigr • Aug 23, 2020 9:49 pm
It is remarkably calm in my car with the top down.
Undertoad • Aug 24, 2020 10:31 am
Ibby;1056774 wrote:
The prisoners upon whose exploitation California's fire safety plans depend are too sick to leave their "conservation camps" (they honestly call them that) to participate in forced labor.


Not only that, but: in recent times CA lawyers have argued, in court, that allowing certain inmates to be paroled early would deplete the inmate firefighting program!

Partly because, once the inmate prisoners are out of jail, they are prohibited from having firefighting jobs, due to their criminal records.
Clodfobble • Aug 24, 2020 12:22 pm
Ugh... That legal argument is not a good look, for sure. I'm actually loosely in favor of the program in general--it's entirely voluntary, and the few prisoners I've seen interviewed about it all say they enjoy the work and like feeling useful. It's certainly more rehabilitative than sitting in a cell all day. But prohibiting them from being firefighters after they get out is beyond stupid.
fargon • Aug 24, 2020 12:28 pm
Amen Sister.
Griff • Aug 24, 2020 5:05 pm
Undertoad;1056920 wrote:
Not only that, but: in recent times CA lawyers have argued, in court, that allowing certain inmates to be paroled early would deplete the inmate firefighting program!

Partly because, once the inmate prisoners are out of jail, they are prohibited from having firefighting jobs, due to their criminal records.


Isn't that some shit, they learn one useful to society skill in prison and are prohibited from using it for pay.
Urbane Guerrilla • Aug 25, 2020 12:05 am
Sacramento's dysfunctional. Sacramento is also a one-party State capital. Wanna guess which party I stopped voting for?
BigV • Aug 25, 2020 10:52 am
[SIZE="1"][COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]Please say Republican.
Please say Republican.
Please say Republican.
[/COLOR][/SIZE]

I give up, which?
tw • Aug 27, 2020 8:25 am
The Don took out a Sharpie to again prove a hurricane would strike Alabama. To prove, unlike all other presidents, that he was in control.

UG said it must be true. Trump said so.
Urbane Guerrilla • Aug 27, 2020 2:15 pm
BigV;1056956 wrote:
[SIZE="1"][COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]Please say Republican.
Please say Republican.
Please say Republican.
[/COLOR][/SIZE]

I give up, which?

Come on, V.

What have the Democrats got for me to trust them? Socialism and the Left should never be trusted by anything remotely human.

Closely inhuman, yeah.

Do they, ah, have something for you...?
tw • Aug 27, 2020 3:59 pm
Urbane Guerrilla;1057041 wrote:
What have the Democrats got for me to trust them?


Let's see. The Republicans massacred 5000 American soldiers for no purpose. And ran up another $3trillion in debts to do so. Cheney said, "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Yeph. That makes then really trustworthy.
Urbane Guerrilla • Aug 27, 2020 11:50 pm
tw;1057051 wrote:
Let's see. The Republicans massacred 5000 American soldiers for no purpose. And ran up another $3trillion in debts to do so. Cheney said, "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Yeph. That makes then really trustworthy.


Which goes far to demonstrate you don't find anything to recommend the Democrats either. And I seem to recall Saddam's Overthrow (no small purpose) had bipartisan support, and kept it.

Anti-Republican bigotry does not suffice.
BigV • Sep 13, 2020 12:44 am
Undertoad;1056920 wrote:
snip--
Partly because, once the inmate prisoners are out of jail, they are prohibited from having firefighting jobs, due to their criminal records.


Not for long, it would appear.


California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) signed legislation Friday creating a pathway for inmate firefighters to become professionals after they are released.

The bill, AB2147, allows certain prisoners who are on the front lines of wildfire containment to have their records expunged after serving their sentences.

Without the barrier of a criminal record, the former prisoners can seek employment as firefighters. The bill excludes those convicted of certain crimes, such as murder, kidnapping, rape, arson or any felony punishable by death or life imprisonment.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 13, 2020 12:50 am
They may not have a record but a sizable hole in the resume/work history.
tw • Sep 25, 2020 10:38 am
Apparently we have run out of hurricanes. None in the Atlantic. None even with potential to become one. Maybe because we ran out of letters? What comes after Beta?
Gravdigr • Sep 28, 2020 4:51 pm
tw;1058541 wrote:
What comes after Beta?


This explains it.
fargon • Sep 28, 2020 5:52 pm
What comes after Beta?
Gamma.
Griff • Sep 28, 2020 6:14 pm
[YOUTUBE]7vMaeehFm-c[/YOUTUBE]
tw • Sep 28, 2020 9:46 pm
What comes after Beta? Donald Trump gets reelected.

Then he takes out his magic marker tell us where next year's hurricanes will go. Since he is smarter than all weather forecasters. (Putin said so. It must be true.)
Griff • Sep 29, 2020 7:25 am
High of 64F baby! Finally some Fall weather.:cool:
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 29, 2020 10:27 am
Already 74 here.
fargon • Sep 29, 2020 2:18 pm
62 Here.
Gravdigr • Sep 30, 2020 1:23 am
54 rfn.

Brr.
Griff • Sep 30, 2020 7:23 am
49F me like.
Undertoad • Sep 30, 2020 10:31 am
56F and cloudy after a night of rain in Sugar Hill, NH.

Image
glatt • Sep 30, 2020 2:33 pm
You might want to take the gondola up to the top of Cannon Mountain there, and do the 1/4 mile loop trail hike around the summit to the observation tower. It's spectacular.

I was there just about exactly a year ago, and used it as the kick off to a 4 day hike.
Gravdigr • Sep 30, 2020 2:35 pm
Nice.

We're back up to 76, rfn, and ME likey.

Top-down me time coming up very shortly.:)
Undertoad • Sep 30, 2020 2:41 pm
Yessir -- I have done the gondola many times! My family is actually from Franconia.

Probably won't make it this visit, the goal is the Mt Washington auto road with the Tesla - if the summit is clear tomorrow.
Griff • Sep 30, 2020 3:40 pm
niccccccccce
monster • Sep 30, 2020 4:44 pm
Thunder :neutral: and rain. Right as I went out to finish a job in the yard. It wasn't s'posed to thunder until tomorrow. The hourly forecast was doing well until then..... I waited for the warmest, least windy spot of the day and all was going to plan until... it wasn't :neutral:
Gravdigr • Oct 1, 2020 7:40 pm
Well, one doesn't want one's beer-drinking time cut into too deeply by yardwork...:beer:
glatt • Oct 15, 2020 3:28 pm
Today is the kind of day where you just want to be outside. Glorious bright sunny day with a slight breeze rustling through the trees. Leaves occasionally falling and blowing across the lawn. Absolutely glorious Fall day.

One hour 'til quitting time.
Gravdigr • Oct 15, 2020 3:52 pm
A little cool for top-down cruising...64 & falling.

So it's top-up, creaking, squeaking, rattling, vibrating, shaking cruising. Shouldn't there be bushings? Somewhere in this top?

The other day I was riding around. It was a beautiful day. Cloudless, painfully blue sky, 78 degrees, top down, cruising in the country, the Stones blasting through my one working speaker, pony-tail flapping in the breeze, when it occurred to me that an entire population of this planet would be thinking "It doesn't get better than this."

:D
Ibby • Oct 15, 2020 8:40 pm
today was like 75 here and gorgeous, blustery in a beautifully fall way with the turning leaves. Probably our last really warm day. kinda wish i'd gone fishin'.
footfootfoot • Oct 15, 2020 10:05 pm
Undertoad;1058776 wrote:
Yessir -- I have done the gondola many times! My family is actually from Franconia.

Probably won't make it this visit, the goal is the Mt Washington auto road with the Tesla - if the summit is clear tomorrow.



Get out. one of my best friends is from Littleton. He lives in Franconia now.
Undertoad • Oct 16, 2020 5:55 pm
It's exceptional to look at. I think I could live there, you know, except for the winters

[size=1]it's actually probably an option since the family still has a wee chunk of land there[/size]
tw • Oct 17, 2020 8:27 am
Apparently the Atlantic Ocean ran out of hurricanes for the year. Tropical Storm Epsilon may be the last.

Eastern Pacific may have finished with its record number of storms. Last one, that died while heading for California, was Norbert - a 14th storm.

Ironically, Panama has had so little rain that some container ships must now lighten their load. So that canals use less water.