Hey, everybody, I could use some input!
Yesterday I was scanning the writing jobs on a national job site on the 'net, and I came across this very interesting ad for a grant writer for a non profit called Family Promise
http://www.nihn.org/about/about.html. The job is part time, and you can work at home. Family Promise is working to help homeless families get housing and provide training to the adults to allow them to enter the work force and become self-sufficient. I'd never heard of them before, but as far as I can tell, they seem to be a legitimate organization working towards a very worthy goal. In fact, nothing could be closer to my heart than the work they are doing to assist the homeless and help them get back on their feet and be productive members of society again.
Guys, I think that I could do this job. I feel that I really have made some good strides toward recovering from the neurological damage I sustained from the CO, and I feel much clearer and more focused than I did even a year ago. I want so much to be a productive member of society again, myself. This just might be a great first step. I could work in the quiet of my own home without the distractions of a regular workplace which would really help me stay focused and on task. When I worked as a professional librarian I successfully wrote up and obtained several grants for my library. They were small ones, but I DID get them. I was also the science and medical book reviewer for THE professional publication for librarians - "The Library Journal."
I'm still a pretty good researcher, and, in fact, because of my own precarious housing situation, I've already been doing a lot of research into available funding for housing for people at or below the poverty line. I am very familiar with government agencies, and I've fought several successful battles on my own behalf with them. In addition, I've written an article on homelessness for one weekly paper and went to a major paper Colorado Springs and got them to print a front page article on homelessness with me on the cover (not my idea to be on the cover - theirs :blush: ).
What goes against me is the huge gap in my work history and the fact that Family Promise wants someone with 3 years experience as a grant writer. What I was thinking is that I could send them my professional librarian resume, highlighting my research and writing experience, and then in the cover letter, explain briefly what happened to me to create the gap in my job experience. I think in this case, I just might be able to turn my greatest liability into my greatest asset. After all, my experience as a homeless person myself will mean that I will bring far more determination and dedication to the project than someone who has never had that happen to them. And how many people with two master's degrees have experienced being homeless and living below the poverty line, and understand first hand the desperation of such a life?
The folks who hang out here in the Cellar are a pretty bright bunch and a lot of you are professionals. You also know more about the current climate of the employment world than I do since I've been out of the loop for so long. Do you all think my application might have a chance of being considered or am I nuts to even think of trying? If you do think I might have a chance, any ideas on how I might package my application? Your thoughts would be very much appreciated. Thanks!
Do you all think my application might have a chance of being considered or am I nuts to even think of trying?
This sounds like the perfect job for you and I sincerely hope that you get it, or it leads to something as good.
In my opinion as someone that doesnt really know how things work in that particular area, it's the reason for a gap in employment that might be hard to overcome. From what you have described here, it doesnt sound like it would kill your chances outright. It may also be of some value to the decision maker that you have made huge gains to recovery.
I've been away from design for 3 years now and am interviewing here and there. They ask what I've been doing the last couple of years and I tell them "taking advantage of the downturn by getting another degree, working with other modeling type software in preparation for getting back into the market." That may very well be the reason I am not working right now, but it doesnt seem to phase the interviewer.
Demonstrating the required skills doesn't hurt either.
So, should you pursue this? Yes. But I would do what you can to actually see them. Tell your story, sell yourself.
That's what I'd do, for what it's worth.
Good luck Mari.
Sounds to me like you are underqualified to be a grant writer. they want 3 years of experience. You have gotten 3 grants. your librarian skills don't exactly translate. I would expect that grant writing full time is quite different. If no one else applies, you might get it, but you just know there is some newly mommyfied and therefore housebound grant writer out there that would be just perfect. I like it that you are at least thinking about getting back to work, but caution you against setting high hopes. For two reasons:
#1. your hopes will, statistically speaking, more than likely be dashed which will discourage you from job hunting....
....and in interest of satisfying my current 'troll mode' status, and in compliance with the wishes of those of you who have privately encouraged this kind of behaviour toward certain parties, I give you #2.(pun intended)....so....
#2: I think it is a cop out. you know you should be getting back to work, but you do not want to..... so, you hang all of your hopes and thoughts on a job that you know you won't get, thereby ...temporarily, at least.....relieving yourself of the prospect of going out and getting a job that consists of actual work.
Why not play to your strengths? You could be a Lilly Tomlin impersonator. You could do parties with Gilda Radner impersonators like Lady Sidhe.
If I were the person looking at your cover letter/resume, my one big fear would be that you were still incapacitated in some way by your CO exposure. Obviously you have to explain the time gap, but I would spend the first part of the cover letter highlighting your experiences as a librarian, etc.--and only after you've established that you're an excellent writer, not just in work history but in the cover letter itself, about halfway down the page bring up the reason for the employment gap (making sure to make it sound like another qualification instead of an excuse.) Incidentally, I'd also focus more on the homelessness than the actual neurological damage aspect of it.
If the cover letter starts out with explaining the employment gap, they may never even get to the resume part. Anyway, I think you could definitely do this job, and I agree with slang, trying to talk to someone in person would be the best way to go about it. Enthusiasm is much better seen than read. Good luck!
Go for it Mari! You know, even if you don't get it, it's a motivator. You know you could do this job, and if you're anything like me, you don't like being told you can't do something. And it sounds like a great opportunity. So do it, girl! I've got my fingers crossed for ya! :)
Sayin' a prayer or two wouldn't hurt either, for Christ's sake.
Sounds to me like you are underqualified to be a grant writer. they want 3 years of experience. You have gotten 3 grants. your librarian skills don't exactly translate...
#2: I think it is a cop out. you know you should be getting back to work, but you do not want to..... so, you hang all of your hopes and thoughts on a job that you know you won't get, thereby ...temporarily, at least.....relieving yourself of the prospect of going out and getting a job that consists of actual work.
Why not play to your strengths? You could be a Lilly Tomlin impersonator. You could do parties with Gilda Radner impersonators like Lady Sidhe.
LJ, as always, your post is thoughtful, uplifting, and completely clueless. :p
you could say it was tough love........i'll just leave it at that.
Yeah only geniuses grant write........The last time I was involved in a selection of one we picked the person we knew that may have written some grants before. I think your resume is a good idea and maybe it will stick out more than most. Just don't minimize your own abilties during the process (if the responses on the cellar are any indication). I know your background having heard it for many years, and they would be Lucky to have such a person. How many years experience have you had writing, and were you or were you not educated at a prominent university for just that? (rhetorical) And remember, if grant writing doesn't work out you could always become a used car salesman. (maximum qualification is the ability rip someone off with their knowledge of it) ;)
~snip~~~ And remember, if grant writing doesn't work out you could always become a used car salesman. (maximum qualification is the ability rip someone off with their knowledge of it) ;)
there are plenty of real life jobs she could hold. I don;t know if she could handle selling cars.....you have to think a few steps ahead to do that properly. and in sales, people need to like you. she might be a tad cloying for sales. maybe she could work the register at the grocery store, or if she needs to work at home, there are always jobs for medical transcriptioners and such in the paper.
you are a very good friend, flippant. i mean, to sacrifice yourself like you do, posting in mari's threads and always sounding even stupider than she, just to make her look smarter....it's quite ....touching. we could all use frineds like you behind us. good job
If "stupider" were actually a word I'd feel really threatened right now. I'm not her "frined" either. What do you use frineds for?
Well, LJ, aside, thanks to everyone else for your encouragement and suggestions. Clodfobble, I think that's an excellent idea to discuss my other qualifications in the first part of my cover letter and then introduce my CO expereience as the final qualifier while down playing the neurological aspect.
Even if I don't get this particular job, it has given me a more concrete goal to work toward. "I wanna do something with my writing" is pretty vague, now I have something specific. The stupid hospital FINALLY has the results of my neuropsych eval for me - it's only been since August that the tests were finished. The wait on the results has delayed me getting into the voc-rehab program, because they won't do anything for me until they see the results. So, next week I'm going to trot down there with my paperwork and see what they can do for me, as well. Who knows? Maybe they'll send me to some journalism courses up at CU so that I have some recent credentials to show future employers. Meanwhile, I'm still going to apply for the grant writing job. It doesn't hurt to try, and like Garnet said, it will help to get me back into a mind set where I'm looking for REAL work again.
and then introduce my CO expereience as the final qualifier
Qualifier? How does poisoning yourself qualify you for this job?
Do you mean that your sob story might trump the fact that you don't have the 3 years experience they are looking for?
... [snip] It doesn't hurt to try, and like Garnet said, it will help to get me back into a mind set where I'm looking for REAL work again.
If you seem to be in the ballpark (and to me, you do, mari), then I've always said it is up the the potential employer to write you out, not you. So apply, emphasise your qualifications, both "academic" and experiential, and see what happens. Good luck, mari!
I only know one thing for certain, Mari. If you don't apply, you will definitely not get it.
Well, LJ, aside, thanks to everyone else for your encouragement and suggestions.
At least you are trying. Don't worry about any naysayers: They can eat a steaming bowl of toxic shit spinkled with maggots. Screw them.
:thumbsup:
Good luck in whatever you do. :D
I say, go for it!!
What is the worst case scenario? You don't get it.
What is best case scenario? You get it!
What have you got to lose besides unemployment?
Definitely give it a go.
What they need to hear is that you have written successful grant apps in the past. That more than offsets whatever liabilities you might think you have. Keep in mind, they don't know you and don't know about some of the stuff you are worried about so don't volunteer anything.
Don't just go for it. Go for it with confidence. Just assume that they will give you the job. Your resume and cover letter should provide the "back up" necessary to justify them handing it to you.
Report back after you get the job.
Qualifier? How does poisoning yourself qualify you for this job?
Do you mean that your sob story might trump the fact that you don't have the 3 years experience they are looking for?
You're right, Jinx. Think I'll just loll around on welfare at your expense. Maybe do a little creative writing, move back down to God's country in Durango, smoke a lot of weed, and find myself a sexy cowboy to hang out with. No point for someone like me to try to do anything. :p
I've been on both sides of job specifications and I can tell you that the qualifications listed are what they would like to get. If there a number of qualified candidates applying, you are unlikely to get the position.
On the other hand, if there aren't a number of qualified candidates applying you have a shot.
I once posted an ad for someone with three years of c++ experience. This was in a small town in the middle of illinois. The guy I hired had no experience in any field. What he had was a ph.d. in zoology and a minor in computer science. But, he was the most qualified applicant, so he got hired.
I think it all comes down to whether there will be other candidates with more experience. Give it a shot. But don't pin your hopes on it. In the mean time, submit a bunch of other resumes for other positions. Getting hired is a numbers game. You generally have to lick a lot of envelopes to get an interview -- and do a lot of interviews to get an offer.
Just a tidbit of unsolicited advice....
Monster.com...if you're truly serious about looking for a position, post your resume there too. My new job came from them searching there for resumes that 'fit' their requirements, and a slew of emails, phone calls, and interviews later, I'm starting there in approximately *gulp* 7 hours.
Good luck to ya....
If "stupider" were actually a word I'd feel really threatened right now. I'm not her "frined" either. What do you use frineds for?
stu·pid Audio pronunciation of "stupider" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stpd, sty-)
adj.
stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est
1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
5. Pointless; worthless: a stupid job.
and in sales, people need to like you.
So people "LIKE" used car salesmen? That's hilarious :lol:
And Mari: a lot of the experience requirement depends on what kind of company it is. Some companies are tight-asses about requirements, others aren't. Some place more emphasis on the abilities of the candidate and how they present themselves in the interview. They might find someone with 10 years grant writing experience, but if that person is a troll who sucked at their job, they might hire YOU instead. With my last job I was totally unqualified, but the interview went great and they knew I was motivated, so it worked. Like I said before, go for it!
You're right, Jinx. Think I'll just loll around on welfare at your expense. Maybe do a little creative writing, move back down to God's country in Durango, smoke a lot of weed, and find myself a sexy cowboy to hang out with. No point for someone like me to try to do anything. :p
Mmmyeah, that's exactly what I said.
No, obviously (as in why would you need input on this, it's a no-brainer) I think you should apply for the job and do whatever you can to get the job, qualified or not. I do however question whether your "experience" is a "qualification" and I'm wondering why you worded it that way.
Do you know why I do my job so well? It's not because i'm qualified or i've experienced it. It's because I give a damn.Those things are great don't get me wrong.....But who wants to work with half-ass? They want to work with someone who wants to get them grants. Not someone merely qualified to do so.
Mmmyeah, that's exactly what I said.
No, obviously (as in why would you need input on this, it's a no-brainer) I think you should apply for the job and do whatever you can to get the job, qualified or not. I do however question whether your "experience" is a "qualification" and I'm wondering why you worded it that way.
Here's exactly what you said: "Qualifier? How does poisoning yourself qualify you for this job?
Do you mean that your sob story might trump the fact that you don't have the 3 years experience they are looking for?"
According to you I am someone who "poisoned myself" and expect to go around telling "sob stories" about this in order to obtain jobs that I am unqualified for. You really expected me to give a serious reply to a question worded the way yours was?
The short version of the furnace incident is that my CO detector was malfunctioning and I did not know it, and my ex-step father was the one who serviced the furnace, and at the time I thought he knew what he was doing. If you want to call that "poisoning myself," that's your perogative. The long version of the furnace incident IS a sob story which I'm not interested in relating here.
The job is working for a non-profit group which seeks to help the homeless. My qualifier is not that I suffered from chronic CO poisoning, but the fact that my resulting ill health prevented me from working and I ended up homeless myself. I know what it is to experience homelessness. I feel deeply about the issue. I have done a great deal of research on the subject on my own, especially when it comes to funding programs to help the homeless find shelter. My first hand experience makes me a very dedicated advocate on behalf of the homeless. Now, do you get it?
I know the long version... or the one flippant emailed my husband all about when he was kicking your wheelchair anyway.
I get it that you feel that thru no fault of your own you were significantly damaged and now are entitled to all sorts of things. Good luck with that.
I know the long version... or the one flippant emailed my husband all about when he was kicking your wheelchair anyway.
I get it that you feel that thru no fault of your own you were significantly damaged and now are entitled to all sorts of things. Good luck with that.
This is the final time I will respond to a post by either you or your husband. Your opinions have no interest for me. I find many of the comments that both of you make to be childish, mean-spirited, and ignorant. You embarass only yourself with your ill-informed replies, and your husband embarasses himself by his spiteful and childish displays of anger against certain people on this board.
My dear, you don't "get" ANYTHING and you know nothing of me or what informs my actions or what really happened in my life. Your judgements have a certain amusement factor to me and nothing more.
Flippant shared the PM she sent to your husband with me and I thought it was very kind of her to stand up for a friend. She told a bit about her part in our shared story. She told very little of mine.
Now you may both reply as you see fit (or not), but all future posts by either of you will be met by me with the response they deserve. None.
I feel no further need to justify or explain myself to either of you. I have far better things to do with my time.
This is the final time I will respond to a post by either you or your husband. Your opinions have no interest for me. I find many of the comments that both of you make to be childish, mean-spirited, and ignorant. You embarass only yourself with your ill-informed replies, and your husband embarasses himself by his spiteful and childish displays of anger against certain people on this board.
My dear, you don't "get" ANYTHING and you know nothing of me or what informs my actions or what really happened in my life. Your judgements have a certain amusement factor to me and nothing more.
Flippant shared the PM she sent to your husband with me and I thought it was very kind of her to stand up for a friend. She told a bit about her part in our shared story. She told very little of mine.
Now you may both reply as you see fit (or not), but all future posts by either of you will be met by me with the response they deserve. None.
I feel no further need to justify or explain myself to either of you. I have far better things to do with my time.
Bravo for you. You are right...it's certainly not worth lowering yourself to that level of bullshit. Do what you can to get that job, and always have a plan B handy.
All the best to you! :thumbsup: ;)
The job is working for a non-profit group which seeks to help the homeless.
Oh shit, does that mean if you get this job we'll be subjected to endless posts about the homeless instead of the Yellow Book adventures?
Oh well, good luck.....it's right up your alley. :beer:
Oh shit, does that mean if you get this job we'll be subjected to endless posts about the homeless instead of the Yellow Book adventures?
Oh well, good luck.....it's right up your alley. :beer:
You mean I haven't already been subjecting you to endless posts about the homeless? Jeez, I'm falling down on the job, already! :smack:
No, you haven't failed. I just tune 'em out. :zzz:
I know the long version... or the one flippant emailed my husband all about when he was kicking your wheelchair anyway.
I get it that you feel that thru no fault of your own you were significantly damaged and now are entitled to all sorts of things. Good luck with that.
My only and last post to you:
It's called turning a negative experience into a positive. No matter how awful it is.
So now what are you going to do about you and your husband?
3t's:You are a tired and tedious twit. Leave the ones who have a dream left alone until you have something positive to contribute. So, good luck with THAT.
No, you haven't failed. I just tune 'em out. :zzz:
That's okay. The Yellow Book which will be arriving thru your living room window any moment now should wake you right up. Nothing like a few deep breaths of cold night air to clear the brain as I know all too well. Oh yeah, don't bother trying to use it to look me up to make crank phone calls. I'm listed under the name of "Kenneth Rexroth" and he never answers his phone. :angel:
My only and last post to you:
It's called turning a negative experience into a positive. No matter how awful it is.
So now what are you going to do about you and your husband?
3t's:You are a tired and tedious twit. Leave the ones who have a dream left alone until you have something positive to contribute. So, good luck with THAT.
yeah. good luck with your stupid
er brain, cupcake. who was talking to you in the first place, anyway?
three t's indeed. moron.
leave her left alone. bah. dumbass.
I'm fairly sure that at some point mari promised not to read or respond to me, and she still does.
She doesn't keep her promises.
she probably just 'forgot' she said it to you, wolf. did you know she had CO poisoning? and that it effects her brain? yeah, really, she did! you haven't heard? well let me tell you all about it....... Oh, youre fucking sick of hearing about it, you say? well, isn;t that a coincidence. so is everyone else.
jesus you're all a bunch of whiney fucks. I've seen 10 year olds have less childish arguments.
feeling left out, jag? don;t worry, you;re still my bitch.
jesus you're all a bunch of whiney fucks. I've seen 10 year olds have less childish arguments.
Damn...*chuckling*. :thumbsup:
Not only that, I've seen much more
compassion for others by those same 10 year olds.
You know, I don't understand why everyone is getting pissy here.
Mari asked for advice on something, just like just about every regular on this board has at one time or another. There was absolutely no reason to get shitty with her about it, Jim. I understand if you don't like her, sometimes we're opposites on issues too, but I really don't see the need to attack her like that.
Now, I've not been one of the most mature posters here, and I recognize that, and it's something I'm working on. I just don't see the need to attack someone - anyone - for no reason other than you don't like them. It's mean and unnecessary.
I'm not surprised that certain people are bagging on her. What I'm surprised about are people that have been recently jumping in to do so...people that I wouldn't expect it from.
I'm fairly sure that at some point mari promised not to read or respond to me, and she still does.
She doesn't keep her promises.
Wrong! I can say this with conviction, because I do not believe in refusing to read someone's posts, no matter how much that person may irritate me. In fact, Jinx and LJ are the only ones I've ever told that I won't reply to their posts anymore. I did so only because I feel it is impossible for me and the two of them to have anything even faintly resembling an actual dialog.
In your case, Wolf, you make an occasional cynical comment to me, and I usually hand it right back, but you and I have never gotten into some petty war and I generally appreciate your comments on various topics.
However, if you wish to become a bitch toward me, that's when I stop playing. Frankly, you owe me an apology because you are dead wrong on this one.
You know, I don't understand why everyone is getting pissy here.
Mari asked for advice on something, just like just about every regular on this board has at one time or another. There was absolutely no reason to get shitty with her about it, Jim. I understand if you don't like her, sometimes we're opposites on issues too, but I really don't see the need to attack her like that.
Now, I've not been one of the most mature posters here, and I recognize that, and it's something I'm working on. I just don't see the need to attack someone - anyone - for no reason other than you don't like them. It's mean and unnecessary.
OC, since i have some respect for you, i'll let you in on my rationale for 'attacking' miss poorme. oh, wait, I just did.
I DO have compassion. for instance, I have not once posted anything about Rho turning every topic toward herself and her Kidney problems, because that is a real motherfucker that she didn;t ask for, and it basically rules her life. I didn;t start in on maristinkinchicko until i'd had it up to HERE with the vacuuous nature of her every post. And by vacuuous, i mean she sucks in every topic, apes every compelling thread, and generally (for me at least) has become intolerably annoying. In this thread particularly. i mean, c'mon. of COURSE she should apply for the job. what the fuck? why WOULDN'T you? the title of the thread should have been 'Hey, everybody, I could use some
attention!' not 'input' That's why i chose to atack her here.
I feel it is my duty to be honest, and express my ire. I am also SURE that MANY of you agree with my sentiments. i find it very telling that almost all of the dopes that have significantly tarnished the coolness quotient of this site in recent months have chimed in to defend her. another factor is that i don;t spend nearly as much time reading as i once did, and am not as concerned about 'keeping the peace.' those of you that think i suck and am just a typical 'used car salesman' (even though I don't even sell cars!) are welcome to tell me about myself.........., and those that agree....you're just welcome. i said what you were thinking, and you didnt have to take any heat from the nitwit brigade.
--You weren't really a peacemaker during your days of regular posting...more like a troublemaker.
--I think the board is better without you posting so much...signal-to-noise ratio is down. People come, people go, the board goes on. Now, if UT would just pull the stick out of his ass, it would be even better.
--Marichiko hasn't done shit to you, or to anybody for that matter.
--I find it interesting that the person who is probably at the greatest risk for a downfall here takes such potshots at people.
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--I find it interesting that the person who is probably at the greatest risk for a downfall here takes such potshots at people.
wow. If i didn't know you were such a pussy, I'd think that you were skirting on the edge of threatening me. what downfall? i'd have to have been held in some type of high regard in order to fall. I'm the freakin class clown. I got nuthin to lose here......unless you were threatening me on a personal level....?
...I think the board is better without you posting so much...
Not in my book.
wow. If i didn't know you were such a pussy, I'd think that you were skirting on the edge of threatening me. what downfall? i'd have to have been held in some type of high regard in order to fall. I'm the freakin class clown. I got nuthin to lose here......unless you were threatening me on a personal level....?
Says the man that doesn't have the balls to say half the shit he says online in person.
I merely offered observations...do with them what you will.
HEY. it takes two to NOT fight at forks!.....
you want some? you know where to find me, marshmallow boy
Pffft! Jesus Christ...you have GOT to be high right now.
alrighty then. Jim you're a carhack. so take that you old lady-screwin' over, scheisty glad handin' used car pusher.
Syc- how does it feel to be the only guy to be so uncool, that Missouri voted to throw you out? i mean damn! they are dumb enough to think America's Pub is cool, but smart enough to know you are a dumbshit - that's gotta hurt.
wow for a minute there i thought we were in the insult thread. sorry. can we all just step away from the keyboards, take a deep breath, some prozac and then carry on with a discussion?
i haven't been around here much lately, but i have read most of the threads and i have come to the conclusion that a good portion of cellarites need post election stress therapy. this place has been a bit wacky since a bit before the election but has been downright ludicrous at times since the election.
let's face it, this is the cellar. 70% of what we do here is argue, er, i mean exchange ideas passionately. we all have somebody in here we'd like to push in front of a train but, as UT says this isn't just a board it is supposed to be a community. we could probably live without calling eachother names, having our friends retaliate, and then drawing everyone into a big pissing match. if you don't like someone but don't feel like shredding their ideas then just ignore them - chances are that everyone else is ignoring the same person.
However, if you wish to become a bitch toward me, that's when I stop playing. Frankly, you owe me an apology because you are dead wrong on this one.
I am sorry. I was actually posting with humorous intent, and it went badly wrong.
I do actually commend you for trying to get back to work and a higher level of functioning. Best of luck with that.
Ah, here we are, one happy dysfunctional family.
:grouphug:
(I actually like lumberjim. He's entertaining)
I am sorry. I was actually posting with humorous intent, and it went badly wrong.
I do actually commend you for trying to get back to work and a higher level of functioning. Best of luck with that.
Thank you, Wolf. That was some real generosity of spirit on your part. I'm all choked up... :cry:
OK, now that that's over we can resume our normal hostilities. :rattat:
:D
And some of the abnormal hostilities too, I hope. Those are sometimes the better ones.
OC, since i have some respect for you, i'll let you in on my rationale for 'attacking' miss poorme. oh, wait, I just did.
Well, I appreciate that, but I didn't really want (or need) a rationale from you, sweetie.
I DO have compassion. for instance, I have not once posted anything about Rho turning every topic toward herself and her Kidney problems, because that is a real motherfucker that she didn;t ask for, and it basically rules her life.
Well, IMO, Rho doesn't turn every post toward herself. I know you were generalizing, but I've seen ALOT of posts from her that had nothing to do with her problems.
I didn;t start in on maristinkinchicko until i'd had it up to HERE with the vacuuous nature of her every post. And by vacuuous, i mean she sucks in every topic, apes every compelling thread, and generally (for me at least) has become intolerably annoying. In this thread particularly. i mean, c'mon. of COURSE she should apply for the job. what the fuck? why WOULDN'T you? the title of the thread should have been 'Hey, everybody, I could use some attention!' not 'input' That's why i chose to atack her here.
There have been times that you have posted such inane crap that it was a thread of it's own, and it was to the extent that there was a vote to boot you off the board or not. IIRC, at the time, your position was that if someone didn't like what you posted, they should make use of the "ignore" function and/or go screw themselves.
Now here you are, attacking someone else just because you don't like them (or their posts, whatever..) just like people did to you. So I'll tell you what you told everyone else to do if they didn't like it: Just ignore her posts and quit worrying about it.
I feel it is my duty to be honest, and express my ire. I am also SURE that MANY of you agree with my sentiments. i find it very telling that almost all of the dopes that have significantly tarnished the coolness quotient of this site in recent months have chimed in to defend her. another factor is that i don;t spend nearly as much time reading as i once did, and am not as concerned about 'keeping the peace.'
Since your time is so much more valuable now, why even go into a thread she starts? Why waste the time and aggravation? Why waste time posting hurtful and mean things? What does it accomplish? Does it make you feel better? Really? Those few minutes posting your vitriol at Mari (or whoever else for that matter) could be better spent with your family.
those of you that think i suck and am just a typical 'used car salesman' (even though I don't even sell cars!) are welcome to tell me about myself.........., and those that agree....you're just welcome. i said what you were thinking, and you didnt have to take any heat from the nitwit brigade.
I wonder, since I've disagreed with you on this, if I'm considered part of your "nitwit brigade". I've been called worse by better.
When you first got here, you grated on me something fierce, and through PM's we worked it out. I truly do like you, Jim, I think that we'd have a blast if we ever met in person. I just don't like to see you wasting your precious time and energy in a negative way when it does no good to anyone.
[SIZE=1]... er ... mari .... didjer gofer the JAWB? ....[/SIZE]
Damn...when did we get assigned a Compassion Monitor? Looks like it is time to rein in the deep sharing lest I be accused of trolling for pity.
Sorry if I've come off as a pathetic loser, ya'll. Even though my name hasn't been mentioned in this rapidly-deteriorating thread (although why Rho's name *was* mentioned, I cannot fathom - but at least she was judged innocent in her trials, and her case dismissed), what with the stuff I've laid out here on The Cellar, I figure that I'll be next to be critiqued, so it is probably best to apologize for my past whinings, and shut up about non-intellectual, personal tribulations, thus saving the Pity Police the extra effort.
Besides, things are actually going a bit better right now, thanks...
Besides, things are actually going a bit better right now, thanks...
Glad to hear it, dude. Just remember: no more whining, sharing or asking for advice or you will be banished from the Cellar by The Compassion Police! That goes for you too, Mari! And speaking of Mari, I'm actually interested in hearing if you applied for the job, and if so, if you've heard anything :3eye:
......you will be banished from the Cellar by The Compassion Police! ....
spode, i actually [size=3]
was[/size] referring to one of your posts.
Yours was the compelling one i referenced that she most recently aped. It aint that I don;t have compassion for her, I have disdain for her shitty sarcastic, poor me, you owe me because i contributed to society as a high powered librarian (high powered librarian?!) for a long time, and can't work now doing something like librarian-ing even though i can spend all day clamoring for attention on a b-board, constantly yammering, sticky, gooey, knees-bent advancing behavior, ridiculous, trite, petulant personality.
I don't hate her. and as far as compassion monitoring goes.....I'm not really sure if spode was sticking up for my right to
not be outwardly compassionate to someone if I don;t really feel that way, or what,.... but it appears to be worded that way......and Pat, if you don't get it that people like the WAY you write as much as WHAT you write, you haven't been listening. You are not even remotely annoying to me. in fact, you are one of my favorites, and I tend to read your posts eagerly instead of skipping them like i have to do with that black hole's crapola.
Those of you that let your compassion obscure the fact that YOU kind of think that she's an annoying personality.....well, that's fine......that's just not me in this case. i have the right to tell you about yourself if I feel strongly enough to take the heat I get in response. which I do.
Cougar, you have no need to worry, you are not a member of the nitwit brigade. you just like to argue with me......which is fine, too. I could list the people that I think are in it, but then we'd have a bloodbath.* You always seem to think that I'm being mean just to be mean. that's not really true here. Yes, i could express my viewpoint in a calm, reasonable tone, well worded, and with care not to offend anyone, but then i would be Elspode or xoxoxobruce, not lumberjim. It is what it is.
[size=1]* I'll tell you what this is about after it happens.[/size]
I'm afraid, LJ, that this is a classic case of differing viewpoints. I don't really find Mari's posts to be offensive. Does she expect too much from Society? Maybe. But, people speak from their hearts. The contents of people's hearts differ. The levels of people's tolerance for varying degrees and forms of expression differ as well.
Mari suffered a life-changing misfortune, and she tells us how she feels about it. If she's out slogging through the snow delivering phone books, then I can scarcely feel that she's not doing what she can to make the best of it, so I tend to read what she has to say, and don't let it bother me if it is at times seems to me to be whiny or whatever. After all, I'm not brain-injured, delivering phone books, and if I was, who knows what I'd say about things?
Even so, perhaps I have a different view of such circumstances, since I am the parent of a disabled, brain-injured adult child. Maybe I see things differently because I know how difficult the System is, how much tap-dancing you have to do just to get the most meager of subsistence income and keep it. I have firsthand experience with the spirit-crushing rejection that a disabled person can face trying to retain the most meager of jobs, of being unable to afford much of anything, ever. I see daily the loneliness and ostracization suffered by my son because he talks funny, thinks poorly, and is embittered and angry much of the time.
You, on the other hand, may have a lower tolerance for this sort of thing. At least, you do here on The Cellar. I'm sure you are a generous and sympathetic person IRL. So - perhaps Mari's view of the world isn't as positive as that of others, and perhaps she, too, judges the world differently, more harshly, more bitterly. Maybe her expressions of her worldview offend you because you haven't walked a mile in her proverbial shoes?
Or maybe not. Maybe we're all just whiners in the end, spoiled American losers who would have been dead ten years ago in a less prosperous land. And maybe we should all just shut up and like it.
I've often thought about having my son join The Cellar, but honestly, I didn't want to see him beaten up here...and he would be, for much the same reasons as you dislike Mari's postings. The Cellar is too edgy a place, and has too definite a limit for personal strife and the expressions thereof.
Or maybe I'm just a wishy-washy pussy...who knows?
Cougar, you have no need to worry, you are not a member of the nitwit brigade. you just like to argue with me......
LOL I argue with everyone, so don't feel all special and getting a big head n stuff, ya big non-car selling car salesman.
spode, i don;t think you're hearing me. her disability has nothing to do with it. i just am not forgiving her for annoying me because of it. i would be just as annoyed if she were perfectly healthy and constantly harped on some other point. do you suggest that I should treat her differently than i would anyone else? It's not like i pick on her because she had/has CO poisoning. I'm sure she was just as fucked up before it happened. renting from your mom with a roomate is not exactly indicitive of a highly productive contributor to society like she claims to have been. sorry if i offend your sensiblities, and sorry to have exposed you to negative reading material, but damn.
Like I said, differing viewpoints, differing levels of tolerance - and different interpretations of content. I hear what you're saying, but I'm not sure it means the same thing to me as it does to you somehow. I read what Mari writes, and I clearly don't get the same things out of it that you do.
Viva individuality!
Man, all this reminds me of this guy that used to be here...he was a lot like Jim. And this guy did something to another Dwellar not unlike what Jim is doing to Mari. And you know, it was right around this time last year...
Delurking again to post News Flash from trendy southern California: Fights on the playground as a form of entertainment are passe' after age 5. The hip 6 year old pulls the wings off flies in his spare moments.
From what I can tell, Mari, you appear to be living on some sort of government hand out program at the moment and want to get off it. Well, good for you! I for one would stand up and cheer if more welfare recipients would post asking for job advice and take their hands out out of my pocketbook. What the hell, send the outfit a resume and a suitably snappy cover letter. It's just some charity, for God's sake - we're not talking about an executive position with a Fortune 500 Company. They might just jump at the chance to hire you because it will make THEM look good, practice what you preach, blah, blah, blah.
Remind me to never post anything personal on this board. I'd rather slash a vein and go swim with the sharks off Malibu beach. At least some hot young life guard might come rescue me.
Elspode, sorry to hear about your kid, dude. Sometimes life really sucks. Hope things work out for him and you, as well.
LJ, you amuse me, but I have to say that you are very boring on this topic. Even someone like me who has been around only a few months, mostly lurking, gets the picture already that you despise Marichiko. It's old news. Go in for a nice long session with your shrink, smoke some good weed, finance or sell or whatever the hell it is you do with cars and MOVE ON. Get over it. You whine more than Marichiko does and that's saying something. And please, the string of obscenities that you seem to enjoy using with your every other reply, indicate only a man with a limited vocabulary and an even more limited thought process. I deal with enough people like that in real life. They're called wanna-be ocean front property buyers who make 10K a year and have defaulted on about $100,000 in debts and want to sue ME because they can't get a bank loan.
Next topic.
and what does jumping into the middle of a "playground fight" while stating that you wouldn't want to post any personal information that the 'sharks' might try to feed on say about ones thought processes?
and would you pease illuminate my 'strings of obscenities in my every other reply' to me? i went back a bit, and could only find pussy, bitch, fucking, and fuck. but they were used in context and well dispersed among several posts. a string of obscenities is more like this:
" why don't you shut the fuck up and stay out of shit that doesn't concern your cum swallowing, asshole eating, father fisting self?" see?
all we need now is to hear from tw on my emotional state. gah
Onyxcougar writes:
You know, I don't understand why everyone is getting pissy here.
Mari asked for advice on something, just like just about every regular on this board has at one time or another. There was absolutely no reason to get shitty with her about it, Jim. I understand if you don't like her, ... but I really don't see the need to attack her like that.
And so we return to April. LJ did same to her. Interesting is why. April's problems were irrelevant to him. His emotions remain more important. He attacked her unmercifully only because HE did not like what she posted. Its all about his emotions. Screw Mari who properly posted for a 'sounding board' response. LJ's response is first and foremost about HIS emotions.
Real men don't care whether they like a person. They don't care whether they dislike the post or its purpose. Real men could just ignore the post. Real men don't think emotionally as LJ has demonstrated. Like a character from Jerry Springer, LJ must attack Marichiko.
Lumberjim thrives by attacking those he does not like; when he senses a weakness. Lumberjim 'the man' would have ignored her. There is nothing offensive in her posts as others have properly noted. But Lumberjim 'the boy' must attack her anyway - like it was a playground - for reasons only a child could understand.
Dar512 also demonstrates how a man replies:
... that the qualifications listed are what they would like to get. If there a number of qualified candidates applying, you are unlikely to get the position.
On the other hand, if there aren't a number of qualified candidates applying you have a shot. ... I think it all comes down to whether there will be other candidates with more experience. Give it a shot. But don't pin your hopes on it. In the mean time, submit a bunch of other resumes for other positions. Getting hired is a numbers game. You generally have to lick a lot of envelopes to get an interview -- and do a lot of interviews to get an offer.
Marichiko - grant writing is about learning to write what they want to see. Easier when you have experience. But the job does not necessarily require experience. It requires someone who can quickly comprehend the system and write accordingly. No one is going to admit that in a job posting. They will be looking as to whether you can 'spin' the request as the grantor wants. IOW they want a quick learner; experience being secondary. They will look at your cover letter to learn how well you 'spin' - write what they want to hear. Go for the job and ignore those who need gratification by attacking others when they sense weakness.
Reposted because it applies again:
Long time Cellar Dwellers will remember a man named Barak - who played the "white boys" incessently. He too got others all huffed up and emotional over what was simple silliness. The difference was that Barak openly acknowledged he was baiting the "white boys".
Barak would have loved playing Lumberjim. Some boys remain boys long after they were suppose to become men. There was nothing offensive in Marichiko's post. But his response was an insult to men - just like those Springer characters.
Or maybe I'm just a wishy-washy pussy...who knows?
You forgot "treehugging," which should be inserted in between wishy-washy and pussy. ;) ;)
Love you, bro.
BB
(I think we just need to lighten up some. Yes, even me. I will try to do so after the dust settles from the dead guy in the nuthouse tonight. I didn't do it.)
This thread needs to star in a snuff film.
I'm not going to jump in on the "LJ is an asshole" theme of this thread, because I've been the target of such a thread in the past, and it sucks. LJ, I know whe've had our differences, but can I give some advice? Just ignore Mari, ignore me, and ignore everyone else you hate here. Trust me, it makes life in the Cellar a lot more pleasant. There 's a few people here I can't stand, so I avoid them like the plague. Give it a shot man, it works. OK, I'm done. Feel free to call me cunt now :)
OC, since i have some respect for you, i'll let you in on my rationale for 'attacking' miss poorme. oh, wait, I just did.
I DO have compassion.
Then why the snide "miss poor me" remark? Didn't sound very compassionate to me.
for instance, I have not once posted anything about Rho turning every topic toward herself and her Kidney problems, because that is a real motherfucker that she didn;t ask for, and it basically rules her life.
Good idea, because
I would fucking roast your ass to ashes if you did. And are you saying that Mari
ASKED for CO poisoning? And it doesn't rule
HER life???? Whoa...quite telling IMO.
I didn;t start in on maristinkinchicko until i'd had it up to HERE with the vacuuous nature of her every post. And by vacuuous, i mean she sucks in every topic, apes every compelling thread, and generally (for me at least) has become intolerably annoying. In this thread particularly. i mean, c'mon. of COURSE she should apply for the job. what the fuck? why WOULDN'T you? the title of the thread should have been 'Hey, everybody, I could use some attention!' not 'input' That's why i chose to atack her here.
Soooo...just because
YOU assumed (because of your obvious hatred of her) that she wanted attention, then it
MUST be so, right?
Oh never fucking mind...I mean you are not
FORCED to read what Mari writes, you know. :rolleyes:
..... but can I give some advice? Just ignore Mari, ignore me, and ignore everyone else you hate here. Trust me, it makes life in the Cellar a lot more pleasant. .....
AH...
this is actually the heart of the matter. ignoring her and those like her won;t make it better. If I give her shit, and it makes her think twice about posting useless look at me threads, .....that works. people like to refer to the self policing nature of the cellar......well, how do you expect that to happen if no one has the balls to call someone out when they act like a ninny? the software won;t do it.....Tony can't. dave is gone, FnF aint here.......sycamore is too lazy to be honest about how he really fells about her, blah blah blah. I think beestie is right. i have made my point. i have taken my lumps. I'm not even going to reply to tw (except to remind him that cucumbers are on sale at the acme).
peace. i'll leave marichiko alone if you guys enjoy her posts so much. i just think it's a shame that I appear to be in the minority.
talk to you later.
spode, i actually [size=3]was[/size] referring to one of your posts.
Yours was the compelling one i referenced that she most recently aped. It aint that I don;t have compassion for her, I have disdain for her shitty sarcastic, poor me, you owe me because i contributed to society as a high powered librarian (high powered librarian?!) for a long time, and can't work now doing something like librarian-ing even though i can spend all day clamoring for attention on a b-board, constantly yammering, sticky, gooey, knees-bent advancing behavior, ridiculous, trite, petulant personality.
I seriously doubt that you have even the
slightest idea what it's like to be in Mari's shoes...shoes by the way, she didn't ask to fill. And yes, neither do I know what it's like to be her, and in her exact situation. BUT, I
DO know what it's like to have been put in a situation that I
certainly didn't ask for, and to have various feelings about it.
I basically only mention my kidney failure if I feel the need to have to explain the "why" of something. And since renal failure has pretty much taken over my life, then I *may* mention it more times than someone else would. Oh well, it happens. And Mari may mention her situation more times than people would like to care read...again,
OH WELL. No one here is being forced to read a damn thing if they chose not to.
Basically Jim, it all boils down to this:
"Unless you are walking in my shoes,
You don't have the right to map out my route."
Dr. George Keller
Period. :eyebrow:
Some boys remain boys long after they were suppose to become men.
*always on the lookout for another clever sig. line!*^^
Bravo on all of your points in your response! :thumbsup: :thumbsup::
RHO.....i said i DIDN'T give you any crap over it. mainly because you used to not annoy me. you;re starting to now, though. why don't you just stop now? I have no interest in getting into it with you. you don;t post enough to be annoying regardless of how I feel about it.
I know that it may not carry much weight, and while I don't agree with him in how he handles it, but I have to join the Lumberjim camp on this point.
Her posts are generally commiserative pablum or complaining.
There are self-help and support groups out there that would provide a much more supportive environment.
She does provide the occasional witticism or insight but it is overshadowed by the maudlin nature of her posts.
A reserved disdain is more my style, but LJ isn't alone.
*dons flame-retardent suit, hands LJ his spare*
Originally posted by LumberjimI'm not even going to reply to tw (except to remind him that cucumbers are on sale at the acme).
Whiskey and cheap cigar smoke all over my monitor.
You want to get into the reletive value of people's posts TS? Glass house.
RHO.....i said i DIDN'T give you any crap over it. mainly because you used to not annoy me. you;re starting to now, though. why don't you just stop now? I have no interest in getting into it with you. you don;t post enough to be annoying regardless of how I feel about it.
Men don't care. Only men who never grew up let another's post annoy them. If it annoys you, then ignore it - be a man. The only thing a man is concerned with are facts.
Speaking of facts, I checked. Cucumbers are not on sale. Why would you lie?
Men don't care. Only men who never grew up let another's post annoy them. If it annoys you, then ignore it - be a man. The only thing a man is concerned with are facts.
Damn..well said. :thumbsup:
You want to get into the reletive value of people's posts TS? Glass house.
I've only noticed you disparaging my posts...
Also, my posts are generally aimed at expanding the perspective of an issue or asking for clarifications so as to expand my knowledge and reasoning skills.
I come here for the intellectual input, yours included, not for warm fuzzy feel good homilies and specious platitudes.
I don't think anyone could accuse mari of being limited to warm fuzzy feel good homilies. Nor would I accuse her, or Rho of being dominated by their respective disabilities. frankly, it gives them both different perspectives to a lot of us, I personally welcome that. I'm sure everyone here has their advocates and detractors, the only person who has in any way any right to say whether someone is 'right' for cellar or not and unless I'm greatly mistaken, UT abdicated, wisely, that power for general purposes a while back.
:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:
ignoring her and those like her won;t make it better. If I give her shit, and it makes her think twice about posting useless look at me threads, .....that works.
Not necessarily. What is useless and what is not varies from person to person. You used to post a lot of stuff that many thought was clever and funny, but I found to be stupid and uninteresting.
well, how do you expect that to happen if no one has the balls to call someone out when they act like a ninny? the software won;t do it.....Tony can't. dave is gone, FnF aint here.......sycamore is too lazy to be honest about how he really fells about her, blah blah blah.
Like uselessness, "ninnyness" varies from person to person. I personally don't have a problem with Mari. She irritates on occasion, but no worse than most. UT has not had a problem banning people he thinks are a problem before, so I don't see what is stopping him now, if this is indeed a problem to him. FNF was a twit with no personality who I'd rank 3rd on my All-Cellar Retard Team. And Dave jumped ship over something rather trivial.
I don't know what your deal is, Jim. It seems to me like you are aspiring to become Dave, even though you will
never ever get there because you just don't have the skills. Not to mention, you don't post that much anymore, and Mari has never done anything to you or your buddies...at least that I've seen.
And you were the one that completely melted down over HB's post...now look at you. You're just like him now...congratulations!
I don't think anyone could accuse mari of being limited to warm fuzzy feel good homilies. Nor would I accuse her, or Rho of being dominated by their respective disabilities. frankly, it gives them both different perspectives to a lot of us, I personally welcome that. I'm sure everyone here has their advocates and detractors, the only person who has in any way any right to say whether someone is 'right' for cellar or not and unless I'm greatly mistaken, UT abdicated, wisely, that power for general purposes a while back.
I think that the big issue here is the heat that LJ is taking for bitching and moaning about marichiko bitching and moaning. He and others are annoyed by the apparent willingness of some to tolerate hers while being intolerant of his equal right to not be silent about it.
RHO.....i said i DIDN'T give you any crap over it.
I know, and I didn't say that you did.
mainly because you used to not annoy me. you;re starting to now, though. why don't you just stop now? I have no interest in getting into it with you. you don;t post enough to be annoying regardless of how I feel about it.
Jim: Calm down..and read carefully...please.
I was defending Mari's right to post what she wants to post here and your right to not read it if it's so bad and horrible for you to read, that's all *shrugs*
Peace.
I think that the big issue here is the heat that LJ is taking for bitching and moaning about marichiko bitching and moaning. He and others are annoyed by the apparent willingness of some to tolerate hers while being intolerant of his equal right to not be silent about it.
Bitching and moaning is in the eye of the beholder. :D
I certainly don't see Mari's posts as "moaning" as it is more "expressing feelings and thoughts". Maybe it's because I can relate, to certain degrees. And Elspode said it best in his reply:
http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php?t=7303&page=5&pp=15
Guess I'm just a believer in people with medical conditions have the right to say what they want, however they want *shrugs*.
Guess I'm just a believer in people with medical conditions have the right to say what they want, however they want *shrugs*.
Guess I'm just a believer in people with
out medical conditions have the right to say what they want, however they want *shrugs*.
Guess I'm just a believer in people without medical conditions have the right to say what they want, however they want *shrugs*.
Hey, you know what? If the board [SIZE=5]OWNER[/SIZE] has no problem with it, then so be it!
Jaguar wrote:
"I'm sure everyone here has their advocates and detractors, the only person who has in any way any right to say whether someone is 'right' for cellar or not and unless I'm greatly mistaken, UT abdicated, wisely, that power for general purposes a while back.
However, it's
STILL UT's board (even if he did abdicate his power, he still
OWNS IT and therefore, can take back that power).
Look, we can all agree to disagree, but no one is
forcing anyone to read any particular post/thread, etc.
I hate to butt into other people's pissing matches, but i want to argee with some of the sentiments that the 'feel' of the cellar has changed over time. That's part of the coolness IMHO.
Bitching and moaning is in the eye of the beholder.
Guess I'm just a believer in people with medical conditions have the right to say what they want, however they want *shrugs*.
Please remember that everyone here has the right to post their opinions, feelings, and the (hopefully fully checked) facts to back them up. I definately find some posts whiney, rude, stupid etc but I try to keep in mind when i read them that
[COLOR=DarkRed]I[/COLOR] am not perfect either, and i take into consideration the incredible variation in age, edcucation, and life experiences of all of the cellerites. This would be a really freaking boring place if we were all the same. If you're too lazy to be a bit empathetic to others, 1) ignore 'em and don't tell
me about it, or 2) stop participating in this community. I like to hear opinions/feeling from those in other places in their lives, either because of age, illness, divorce, or loss of job, (and the good stuff too!). Even tho I may not be there right now, it could be me at any moment, and i need to be considerate of others who might not be where
they want to be.
[SIZE=1]that is all. [/SIZE]
somehow i think Jim is sitting back laughing pretty hard at how stirred up everyone got. in fact, i'm having a hard time not laughing at it, because this is all pretty ridiculous. while some of you know eachother IRL, this remains the internet. it is amazing that people are getting so emotionally charged on what really amounts to a big "I don't like you" fest. let's face it - Jim has gotten you all going. he is a masterful feces stirrer.
i think the speed with which everyone was willing to draw sides on this issue is evidence that the cellar hasn't had any really good "issues" thread in awhile. it's time to burn off some of our energy we've saved up for arguments, apparently.
I know that it may not carry much weight, and while I don't agree with him in how he handles it, but I have to join the Lumberjim camp on this point.
Her posts are generally commiserative pablum or complaining.
There are self-help and support groups out there that would provide a much more supportive environment.
She does provide the occasional witticism or insight but it is overshadowed by the maudlin nature of her posts.
A reserved disdain is more my style, but LJ isn't alone.
*dons flame-retardent suit, hands LJ his spare*
Reserved disdain works for me. At least that shows the person has a little class. :cool: So when it comes to me, you can leave off the flame retardant suit. That thing must get awfully stuffy if you have to wear it often.
I hardly consider The Cellar to be a support group, BTW. The first time I started posting here I got involved in a big fight with everybody, so it's hardly the warm, fuzzy glow which keeps me around.
I find it interesting that this has all started over a post where I stated that I feel my situation has improved enough for me to attempt some sort of meaningful work again and I asked the "intelligent" members of the cellar to give me some input from a professional point of view.
I have recieved intelligent and supportive input from many of you. A few chose to call my post more "whining." *shrugs* Whatever. If you were to go back and look at the old threads you might notice that after that first big argument with you all, I have mostly written of my situation because some other poster decided to shove my nose in it again and wouldn't let up until I replied.
I'm not so spineless that I'm going to attempt to tailor my posts to make every last person who reads them happy, and I have no problem telling someone when I disagree with what they post; nor do I have a problem when someone disagrees with me. I do have a problem with people who resort to name calling, obscenities, and generally incoherant replies. I have little respect for this because it shows both a lack of intelligence and a lack of integrity on the part of the person making such replies. They can certainly say what they want, but I don't have to respect them, either.
You have never responded to my posts in the above manner for all your apparant disdain for me, and I respect you for that.
However, it's STILL UT's board (even if he did abdicate his power, he still OWNS IT and therefore, can take back that power).
Oh I'm not denying that, I'm just pointing out at least noone else has the right to say whether someone is 'right' for cellar.
it is amazing that people are getting so emotionally charged on what really amounts to a big "I don't like you" fest. let's face it - Jim has gotten you all going. he is a masterful feces stirrer.
Which is another way to say that jim is a troll with little constructive input.
Oh I'm not denying that, I'm just pointing out at least noone else has the right to say whether someone is 'right' for cellar.
Quite right. That's what I was saying...perhaps in a not so direct way. :p Sorry. I was just using what you previously wrote. S'all good. :D
I'm not so spineless that I'm going to attempt to tailor my posts to make every last person who reads them happy, and I have no problem telling someone when I disagree with what they post; nor do I have a problem when someone disagrees with me. I do have a problem with people who resort to name calling, obscenities, and generally incoherant replies. I have little respect for this because it shows both a lack of intelligence and a lack of integrity on the part of the person making such replies. They can certainly say what they want, but I don't have to respect them, either.
Well-said...I agree 100%! :thumbsup:
Which is another way to say that jim is a troll with little constructive input.
that's it. you're not my bitch anymore.
as for constructive input, you can input your finger in your ass. :)
[size=1]tshirt, cd thing, gobs and gobs of laughing people[/size].
It only takes one "Oh shit" to offset a hundred "Atta boy"s.
I rest my case.
Jag 100, LJ 0 :boxers:
:beer:
ok. i rest mine, too. i gotta get back to work. this has been fun. just like the old days. I'll catch you guys and nitwits later.
Don't strain your arm patting yourself on the back, okay?
LS, this is extremely weak moderation on my behalf, and pretty much anyone can come around and say anything they want unless it's intolerably irritating. The hope is that people will come up with good things to say regardless.
FWIW I'm with James on this one. Any relatively open forum is going to fill up with crap if people let it. From time to time a "true" attention whore such as April comes around, and I will let such situations linger whilst we figure out whether we can do anything gracious for them, such as reforming them with a series of complaints.
Mari is certainly not at that level, but she's trying hard. She annoys me, but my opinion is worth about the same as all y'alls on that point.
FWIW I'm with James on this one. Any relatively open forum is going to fill up with crap if people let it. From time to time a "true" attention whore such as April comes around, and I will let such situations linger whilst we figure out whether we can do anything gracious for them, such as reforming them with a series of complaints.
Mari is certainly not at that level, but she's trying hard. She annoys me, but my opinion is worth about the same as all y'alls on that point.
Marichiko 0, LJ 100
This is YOUR board, UT and it's YOUR dime. I would not retire so tamely from the field in different circumstances, but you're the boss here and as far as I'm concerned you have just served me with due warning. If you prefer posters like LJ to hang out here over someone like me, than I HAVE been posting on the wrong board. The management sets the tone of an establishment and I am definitely declasse' in this one.
It's been great talking to almost all of you and I wish you all well.
Mari - don't get too melodramatic on this one. UT didn't tell you to shut up or get out. he simply said your posts irritate him at times. let's face it, we all irritate each other to varying degrees at different times. show of hands - anybody here just get glassy eyed with frustration when tw and i get into our occasional urination battles? (you can all put your hands down now).
until UT pulls the plug you are free to annoy or amuse to your heart's content. maybe i'm wrong but i think the value in the cellar is that we are all welcome here even when we are annoying.
let's see, we have:
LJ- he's annoying when he only shows up to stir the pot, and really annoying when someone flips his instant a$$hole switch. (religion)
Mari - she's annoying when she starts talking about the downtrodden or anything to do with the military.
Jag - he's a flaming liberal and decidedly anti-american. (damn foreigner)
tw - if he were any more liberal he would burst into flames.
Radar - no, no i can't think of anything that radar does that is annoying.
wolf and slang - well, hell, they are always shooting people
garnet - she lashes out in her own little form of poopstirring.
UT - what isn't annoying about an absolute rock god?
and me - i voice an opinion on every issue and usually two, and i usually take a thread 2 days past it's death.
what i'm trying to say is SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY! it's the cellar, we annoy each other, blah blah blah. let's argue about something worthwhile - like how you think the new fat albert movie is going to do at the box office.
How sad that we've lost another person (just like we lost Brianna). And none of the new people ever stick around for more than one or two posts. :yelsick:
that is nothing new, garnet. if you haven't noticed we are still new people. pull up the old threads and see how many names you recognize. people come and are really active for awhile then get bored, or annoyed, or busy and move on. most people tend to come back when the prozac kicks in or they see a thread worth contributing to.
when there aren't really interesting threads to elicit discussion we end up with this thread - just pointless arguing for the sake of posting.
New cellar tagline -
The Cellar - Shut Up and Pay Attention, We Eat People Like You for Lunch
[size=1]tshirt, cd thing, gobs and gobs of laughing people[/size].
While I always appreciate an opportunity to support The Cellar, I wouldn't cite the T-Shirt effort with a lot of prominence...some of us didn't get one...or two...or four.
And no, I *still* don't want my money back. :cool:
While I always appreciate an opportunity to support The Cellar, I wouldn't cite the T-Shirt effort with a lot of prominence...some of us didn't get one...or two...or four.
And no, I *still* don't want my money back. :cool:
That's a huge bummer Elspode, I wish the t-shirt guy hadn't been such a fuck up, I didn't get a couple of mine either. But Jim put a lot of work and time into organizing the whole thing, gratis, and the cellar did profit from the endeavor- he did his part and then some.
I like and dislike various people here just like everyone, although I don't truly get pissed at anyone. The difference is that somehow when I say it, it's supposed to be more meaningful. It isn't. Unless someone is truly messing up the community in some way, how I feel about them has no bearing on whether they should or should not be here.
In fact, the whole place has meant different things to me personally at different times, but when it's not particularly as interesting as usual, I just bypass threads and wait until it IS more interesting.
I have put a good deal of money into it, but when the recent hardware problems arose, people were generous enough to contribute enough to repay all of the money I spent on the problems, and to start well on the way to getting the system its own dedicated hardware. My big outlay is in time, but hey it's a hobby.
(I like all the oldtimers, which pretty much includes everyone here more than a year, so please don't nobody go getting all paranoid on me)
(I like all the oldtimers, which pretty much includes everyone here more than a year, so please don't nobody go getting all paranoid on me)
so what you are saying is that you hate all of us that have been here for less than one year? i can read between the lines and get what you mean. what's that? you want us all to spontaneously combust if we don't drown in a pool of our own vomit first???
damn, that is harsh UT, i really didn't think you would stoop that low.
damn, that is harsh UT, i really didn't think you would stoop that low.
He's on such a power trip with this place. It's disgusting really.
That's it, you two are banned.
I'm bummed that I didn't make lookout's list...
I like and dislike various people here just like everyone, although I don't truly get pissed at anyone. The difference is that somehow when I say it, it's supposed to be more meaningful. It isn't. Unless someone is truly messing up the community in some way, how I feel about them has no bearing on whether they should or should not be here.
In fact, the whole place has meant different things to me personally at different times, but when it's not particularly as interesting as usual, I just bypass threads and wait until it IS more interesting.
As a result, the Cellar is constantly changing. Change is necessary. Not just going from a BBS to the internet. For example, how many remember Ghost - an openly acknolwedged gay kid who was brutally attacked for defending his rights. Of (I forgot his name) who wrote some great porn.
A simple rule for any healthy community: personal attack without logical reasoning is taboo. Where, pray tell, is anyone annoying? No one. Not even Lumberjim. Even when lookout123 labels me a liberal, it is his opinion and (from my perspective) is not a personal attack. What he perceives as liberal - anything that is not right wing extremist. At least his flawed logic is understandable. Perspective. I believe he truly believes he is a centrist. He is misguided. But that is a logical conclusion - from my perspective. IOW to be an decent human, first look at how HE perceives things. Emotion has no place in decision - except at the very end to judge whether the logical conclusion makes sense.
What has changed? Every so often, one will post crap - insult another without any factual basis. Lumberjim openly acknowledges why he attacks marichiko. She annoys him. So what? Logic has nothing to do with his conclusions. He is venomous when he uses only emotion to jusitify his conclusions.
As UT once said, this board is not for 17 year olds. Why? Boys and girls let emotions override their logic. Not acceptable from adults. Unfortunately Lumberjim who had stopped posting emotionally (since his personal attacks on April) has returned to his mistaken ways.
Again, enemy of this community are those who post pure emotion unsupported by any logical reasoning.
Let's not forget the original post. Marichiko was simply asking for advise. Nothing she posted should have caused emotion in any adult. There was no whining - if you had read logically. If it bothered you as it bothered Lumberjim, then you have two actions. First you should not reply. Second, you should deal with your mental weaknesses - letting emotion (the head between your legs) override your logic (the head between your shoulders).
OK, UT, so Mari annoys you. Fair enough...at least you expressed it without being venomous this time. So, how would you explain your blow-up last week with the whole Communism argument (which you took out on at least 3 people)? If it is was just a rough day, hey, I understand. But that seemed rather out of character for you.
Even when lookout123 labels me a liberal, it is his opinion and (from my perspective) is not a personal attack. What he perceives as liberal - anything that is not right wing extremist. At least his flawed logic is understandable. Perspective. I believe he truly believes he is a centrist. He is misguided. But that is a logical conclusion - from my perspective
now this is the way to start a good argument, i mean discussion. tw, FWIW i just threw you in there because everyone has witnessed our pissing matches. i don't view myself as a centrist. i'm right of center on most issues. just as you are not a centrist either - you are to the left on most issues. that doesn't make you wrong and me right - we just have different priorities based on our respective world views.
I'm bummed that I didn't make lookout's list...
sorry man, i could have gone on and on and... just trying to make a point and release a little pressure in the cellar.
Marichiko 0, LJ 100
This is YOUR board, UT and it's YOUR dime. I would not retire so tamely from the field in different circumstances, but you're the boss here and as far as I'm concerned you have just served me with due warning. If you prefer posters like LJ to hang out here over someone like me, than I HAVE been posting on the wrong board. The management sets the tone of an establishment and I am definitely declasse' in this one.
It's been great talking to almost all of you and I wish you all well.
Mari...dear...you're being a bit melodramatic and over the top. Chill.
In the 4 years I've been here, UT has banned 3 people (not including all the spammers)...and I'd say that only one of those banishments was questionable. So you annoy UT...so do I and a lot of other people. Fuck him. Fuck Jim. Fuck all of 'em. And fuck you. :) It's a Goddamned message board on the internet...while I enjoy the discussions, it ain't that serious.
FWIW, you say the word, and you'll have your own forum on the Bosque. But come back here...please?
oh sure, syc. kissing up to the refugees? why don't you throw in a free weekend at Sycamore's Golden Palace Inn and Day Spa? how about a free round of golf?
So, how would you explain
People hit my pet peeves in a row, what would you do?
My day late and dollar short thought in this ruptured spleen of a thread is that I think it is better to respond to the post and not the person.
My thanks to those of you who have PM'd me and asked me not to leave. I feel that at the very least the Cellar needs a vacation from me, and I from it.
I am trying to get back into the professional world. I am trying to get back to the person I once was. While I feel greatful toward those who did give me valid feedback, the negative response this thread has also generated is not what I am interested in right now. Constructive criticism is one thing. Childish attempts at bullying and obscenely worded replies are quite another. Every other board I frequent would ban a member who engaged in such activities - nasty spitefulness just for the sheer pleasure of being mean.
I will gladly take on ANYONE in an honest fight. However, if a board fosters members who can hang around trying to outvie one another in crude language and mindless ill temper then I have no interest in it. You can tell a person by the company they keep - "lumber-asshole-Jim", "turd-sucking TS", "jaded-whore jinx", and sacrilige of sacriliges, "under-handed, balless under-turd". How does it feel, folks? Don't like it? Well, shut up and quit whining or I'll dish out some more. As a matter of fact, I'll dish out some more anyhow, to the accompanying cheers from the mindless bitches in the peanut gallery.
I'm fed up with this groups' tolerance of LJ's ceaseless attacks on any woman who comes along - me, Garnet, Dagney, Flippant, April, Brianna - the list is endless. The Cellar fosters this misogynist member and tells him that he is humorous. What's wrong with you people? Since when did women hating and baiting anyone who is different become so cool around here? Why don't you start a nigger hating forum next? I'm sure LJ would be delighted to moderate it. Lady Syc is spared only because LJ is afraid of Sycamore. You notice that LJ never tears into a male member of this board the way he does the women. The only reason he had that big fight with Sycamore is that Syc called LJ on his shit and FORCED LJ to fight. Otherwise, when it comes to men, LJ settles for the occasional mindless barb against those who displease "his emminence".
I find this behavior to be unacceptable. I finds this group's tolerance of it to be unacceptable.
I have two Master's degrees, I was an associate professor at a respected college, I was director of the library for one of this nation's leading botanic gardens and I want to get back on my feet and make similar contributions again. When I told the members of this board about these aspirations, this entire thread has been the response. Shame on everyone of you who participated in the nastiness.
A few people around here like to fling the label "victim" at me. In your dreams, you delusional bastards. A victim would stick around here and make nicey-nice to the perps. Maybe I'll be back if only to let the assholes around here know that they'd better stay on their toes. Maybe not.
Sycamore, I am honored by your invitation if you still wish to extend it after all this.
oh sure, syc. kissing up to the refugees? why don't you throw in a free weekend at Sycamore's Golden Palace Inn and Day Spa? how about a free round of golf?
Oh, lookout...my backward bumblefuck little friend...I don't need to kiss up to anyone. My awesomeness attracts people.
And the free weekend would be at Sycamore's Urban Safari.
UT, depends on the situation and whether it's worth it to blow up like that or not.
Mari, the offer is still there.
That's a huge bummer Elspode, I wish the t-shirt guy hadn't been such a fuck up, I didn't get a couple of mine either. But Jim put a lot of work and time into organizing the whole thing, gratis, and the cellar did profit from the endeavor- he did his part and then some.
Undoubtedly he did a fine thing, and I give him full credit for what he did.
I guess I was just pointing out, in a left hand manner, that if I were following the "say anything because you can and might want to" theory that is being discussed, I (and probably others) could have made a big stink, used a lot of foul language, said hurtful things, and generally made fools of ourselves over it.
But we didn't...
We now return you all to your regularly scheduled meaningless Internet drivel.
While I always appreciate an opportunity to support The Cellar, I wouldn't cite the T-Shirt effort with a lot of prominence...some of us didn't get one...or two...or four.
And no, I *still* don't want my money back. :cool:
yours were there, bub. you said to hold them until your lady's shirts were done (which obviously aint happenin' at this point). Ut probably still has them sitting on top of his china cabinet where I put them.
the post was in response to jag saying that i never make constructive posts. not trying to toot my horn, you know, just sticking up for myself.
Whatever...none of this means anything, right?
Working long hours getting ready for the war, a power outage, family obligations and life, have kept me from following this thread.
Thank you, Lord. :rolleyes:
So much for the slogan of friendly little coffee shop..............
wolf and slang - well, hell, they are always shooting people
No one has ever been able to prove anything.
I will gladly take on ANYONE in an honest fight. However, if a board fosters members who can hang around trying to outvie one another in crude language and mindless ill temper then I have no interest in it. You can tell a person by the company they keep - "lumber-asshole-Jim", "turd-sucking TS", "jaded-whore jinx", and sacrilige of sacriliges, "under-handed, balless under-turd". How does it feel, folks? Don't like it? Well, shut up and quit whining or I'll dish out some more. As a matter of fact, I'll dish out some more anyhow, to the accompanying cheers from the mindless bitches in the peanut gallery.
Yep, there sure isn't anything quite like taking the high road, is there ...
Thing is, this isn't even an entertaining fight outside of tw's lucky punch. C'mon folks, ratchet it up a notch or quit wasting bandwidth. :corn:
Man, when I come up there to camp this winter, I'm gonna whip your ass. :)
Yep, there sure isn't anything quite like taking the high road, is there ...
SHHHH!
[size=1]whaddya tring ta do? get her to come back or something? cripes![/size]
Man, when I come up there to camp this winter, I'm gonna whip your ass. :)
Heh, everybody knows you hit like a Cardinal. :stickpoke:
How about them Yankees, Griff? They had a great playoff run this past year, didn't they?
Because I know how much Jim and UT like Mari, I'm going to keep on her to come back to the board...it's the right thing to do.
So you get to feel superior and be a shit stirrer at the same time. Its the perfect crime! :cool: Well played.
Because I know how much Jim and UT like Mari, I'm going to keep on her to come back to the board...it's the right thing to do.
sarcasm, then spite, then superiority....all in one sentence. cool.
What can I say? It's a talent. I've got it, you don't.
So you get to feel superior and be a shit stirrer at the same time. Its the perfect crime! :cool: Well played.
Sorry, bro. You're a Yankees fan...what am I supposed to do? :)
Fear the checkbook brother, fear the checkbook. :D
Then why don't they want the Big Unit?
They do but they've got nuthin to trade. No way is Vasquez as bad as he pitched the second half last year so you can't give young for old... They just robbed the Phillies in broad daylight though. They should be able to cut Balco boy pretty quick and Stantons back, things is lookin up.
What can I say? It's a talent. I've got it, you don't.
yup. scary talented.
wish i was that cool.
Once you pull your head out of your ass, you might get there.
Once you pull your head out of your ass, you might get there.
get where?
Get up to my level...you've got a long long way to go though.
Don't strain your arm patting yourself on the back, okay?
I'm simply on vacation. Nice try assholes!
[SIZE=1]Note: the 4 assholes to whom I refer all know who they are. This does not apply to the about 500 other Cellar members[/SIZE]
Get up to my level...you've got a long long way to go though.
up to your level of what? coolness? my earwax is cooler than you are. dweeb.
Hey, suit yourself. I wouldn't want something like you anywhere close to my level anyway.
You're getting old, my friend...perhaps I'll send you some Geritol for Xmas.
:) See you can still bring it.
Since the Hubris fiasco, I won't get caught up in the who should or shouldn't post here stupidity. It is ironic that LJ is suddenly the standards czar after jumping on HB for assuming the same office. I've figured out that this place is going to evolve or die so I'm not gonna play the drive people away game. As far as Mari is concerned, I welcome her even if I sometimes have to doubt her candor. And on a more serious note this is truly the weakest, most boring flame war we've ever had here. Move on.
I'm sorry that this hasn't been entertaining enough for you, Griff. If you like, we can set aside a special time and place where you and I can scrap, and I can totally waste you. :)
:) See you can still bring it.
Since the Hubris fiasco, I won't get caught up in the who should or shouldn't post here stupidity. It is ironic that LJ is suddenly the standards czar after jumping on HB for assuming the same office. I've figured out that this place is going to evolve or die so I'm not gonna play the drive people away game. As far as Mari is concerned, I welcome her even if I sometimes have to doubt her candor. And on a more serious note this is truly the weakest, most boring flame war we've ever had here. Move on.
how did this happen? when did i bcome the posting standards czar? this started as me giving mari my honest appraisal of her question about the job she saw advertised, evolved into 'how dare you be negative about it?' and my defense of that position. Then it degraded into side taking, and insults, but apart from my saying that this thread was merely a cry for attention, and that i dislike mari's personality, I never said she should leave, or not post. I took a lot of shit, and didn't fight back much because I've been through those arguments with those people, and it's fruitless. sycamore's bitterness, tw's superiority, LS's 'you go girl" ing.....etc. The nitwits are welcome to post all they want, but I WILL give them shit if it's over the top in my eyes. I want to read posts by people that are smarter than me, or funnier. I skip the drivel. no big. I'm not trying to limit people to posting 'deep' posts like HB was....just calling a spade a spade.
I even let several inaccurate comments go by without challenge, just to avoid rehashing previous ugliness. I said I was willing to take my lumps for bashing someone personally, as i deserve, but let's not get crazy, griff. I'm not the posting police. far from it.
My bitterness...you're funny.
"You guys are attacking me for being honest...poor noble me trying to stay above the fray...boohoohoo"...gimme a fucking break. You're just getting back what you've given, that's all.
Remember when Undertoad and Lumberjim weren't such assholes? I miss those days.
are you referring to the days when people used to think you were kind of cool and edgy....with "musical projects" and "street poetry" and your "mainfestos( which aren;t manifestos
( A public declaration of principles, policies, or intentions, especially of a political nature.) at all...more like your daily goings on....a blog.....intersting at times, to be sure, but indiciative of the fact that you believe your own hype) ?".....before you tried to get me booted.....and i told everyone about what a little shifty tub of goo you are in real life...and you basically confirmed it by acting like such a bitter ass toward me whenever you got the chance....Do you mean those days?
well, yeah, I'm sure you DO miss
those days.
Well, that was neat...are you back in reality now? You sure? Good.
Jim, I treat you like shit because that is exactly what you are--shit.
how did this happen? when did i bcome the posting standards czar? this started as me giving mari my honest appraisal of her question about the job she saw advertised, evolved into 'how dare you be negative about it?' and my defense of that position. Then it degraded into side taking, and insults, but apart from my saying that this thread was merely a cry for attention, and that i dislike mari's personality, I never said she should leave, or not post.
What got you in trouble, Lumberjim?
Real men don't care whether they like a person. They don't care whether they dislike the post or its purpose. Real men could just ignore the post. Real men don't think emotionally as LJ has demonstrated. Like a character from Jerry Springer, LJ must attack Marichiko.
Lumberjim thrives by attacking those he does not like; when he senses a weakness. Lumberjim 'the man' would have ignored her. There is nothing offensive in her posts as others have properly noted. But Lumberjim 'the boy' must attack her anyway - like it was a playground - for reasons only a child could understand.
You violated fundamentals of being a man. If you have a logical reason to attack Mari, why did your not post it? Because by your own admission, you attacked Mari only for emotion (self-serving) reasons. Boys do that. And now you insist it is acceptable to attack another only for emotional gratification. Just like the child standing in a pile of broken glass claiming he did not do it. Will you ever stop digging yourself into this hole?
I was thinking it was sexual gratification, actually.
ok, tw, that's twice that you've quoted yourself now. and thrice you've called me boy. I'm going to let you in on something you've apparently missed on your many, many trips around the sun:
men have emotions.
I know it sounds crazy, but it's true. Regardless of that truth, if you look at it, I didn't really post a lot of emotionally charged stuff. I was just honest about how i felt and what i thought. I spouted a bit to be funny, but the emotion in this thread appears mainly in the indignance of my detractors, and the attempted forced compassion. Mari melts down, and huffs off, and you are jumping up and down about MY emotions? It comes down to the fact that I said something that a few people took exception to for one reason or another, and I won't back down. That may not be very popular on a social level, but I wouldn't call it childish. If you need an example of childishness for contrast, see sycamore's last couple of posts. ya weirdo.
What has happened in this place?!
It is coming into winter over there yeah? Ok everyone take a deep breath, group hug, hot chocoloate and a quiet lie down.
Cheer up peoples.. and love one another ;)
Thank you Griff. And I do believe that it's a proven fact that 99.9% of this board doubts my candor. I am SO FED UP WITH THE TOPIC! I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS, ANYMORE! Shall we all just get over it and get on with it? JEEZ! OK, I confess already. I made everything all up and blah blah blah........
i never said i didn't beleive you. I just said i'm sick of hearing about it every second. Could you just take the hint and talk about something else?
If you need an example of childishness...
yeah. good luck with your stupider brain, cupcake. who was talking to you in the first place, anyway?
three t's indeed. moron.
leave her left alone. bah. dumbass.
she probably just 'forgot' she said it to you, wolf. did you know she had CO poisoning? and that it effects her brain? yeah, really, she did! you haven't heard? well let me tell you all about it....... Oh, youre fucking sick of hearing about it, you say? well, isn;t that a coincidence. so is everyone else.
feeling left out, jag? don;t worry, you;re still my bitch.
I have disdain for her shitty sarcastic, poor me, you owe me because i contributed to society as a high powered librarian (high powered librarian?!) for a long time, and can't work now doing something like librarian-ing even though i can spend all day clamoring for attention on a b-board, constantly yammering, sticky, gooey, knees-bent advancing behavior, ridiculous, trite, petulant personality.
... that black hole's crapola.
Yes, i could express my viewpoint in a calm, reasonable tone, well worded, and with care not to offend anyone, but then i would be Elspode or xoxoxobruce, not lumberjim. It is what it is.
ya weirdo
:biglaugha
Could you just take the hint and talk about something else?
:D
ok, tw, that's twice that you've quoted yourself now. and thrice you've called me boy. I'm going to let you in on something you've apparently missed on your many, many trips around the sun:
men have emotions.
Of course they do. And men, unlike boys, use their logical mind to control - even manipulate - those emotions. Emotions are a tool used by the logical man. Emotions that override logical thought means he is still a boy.
How you 'feel' about anyone is totally irrevelant. The man takes those silly emotions and smashes them. The boy even lashes out in fist fights. There is no logical reason for starting a fist fight. Fist fights means the man never grew up.
Same applies to your posts intended only to attack, disparage, and demean Marichiko. There was not a single logical reason for anyone to do that. If you were posting as a man, you would have long ago quashed that anti-social behavior. I should not have to explain any of this to you. But like the boy standing in a pile of broken glass, you keep denying it.
If what Marichiko posts does emotionally bother a man, then the man ignores it. It is what men do. You did not - multiple times.
Again, if you don't like what Marichiko posted, then ignore it. Your response in latest post 167 is only an emotion. Facts say you should post nothing. Ignore it. What Marichiko posts is between her and everyone else. It does not emotionally affect a man.
There is nothing here posted as an insult. I am defining socially acceptable behavior required of any man. Again, emotion is only a tool of the logical adult. When emotion instead makes decisions - causes you to post - then we have a child.
So this is something like the sixth time I had defined how a man thinks. Again, how deep are you going to dig the hole you are in?
LJ - you belong here. But having only an emotional response to another is not acceptable behavior. Your original post provided nothing factual upon which anyone could react, conclude, or recommend logically. The neat thing about written discussions: take time to throttle your emotions. It makes for a Cellar without blood on the walls.
:cool:
What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men.
LJ - you belong here. But having only an emotional response to another is not acceptable behavior. Your original post provided nothing factual upon which anyone could react, conclude, or recommend logically. The neat thing about written discussions: take time to throttle your emotions. It makes for a Cellar without blood on the walls.
tw, it would seem that you have a predetermined opinion that my every motivation in life is based on emotion. Is this because I've argued the point with you previously? Stating my opinion was entirely logical. I didn't present it as fact, so I don't know why it upsets you. You seem to be getting awfully emotional about not being so emotional. careful, you'll blow a resistor or a capacitor or something. bleepin robot.
If you need an example of childishness for contrast, see sycamore's last couple of posts.
Grasping at straws, eh stupid? I'm not surprised.
Stating my opinion was entirely logical.
Alright, I lied about not responding to LJ's posts anymore, but that statement I can't let stand. At the end of the last go round on the insult thread, I PM'd LJ and told him that I'd leave him alone if he left me alone, and he actually agreed to this.
If LJ had been acting out of logic, he would have known that I had no interest in feedback from him, and, besides, he'd already said he'd leave me alone.
Who is the "attention whore," here? It should be fairly obvious to all that if LJ would have honored his promise and kept his opinions to himself, this thread would have died after maybe 10 or 20 posts and it would now be sitting forgotten far down at the end of the list. Instead, you see 170 or 180 posts with LJ playing a starring role.
Who is the person who goes on and on about one subject and refuses to drop it long after everyone else wishes that the topic was in the grave? It's hardly headline news that LJ dislikes me. Is it really neccessary for him to continue to re-iterate this dislike in a continuous feedback loop of venom? LJ's great at chaos theory, but he flunks logic.
Who is the person who whines and bitches and moans? I would submit that LJ is right up there at the top of the list with his moaning and groaning over me and a few other folks on this board both past and present. Some people have told me LJ is actually a pleasant person in real life. Too bad he's not that way on this board.
As for those of you who doubt my candor, that's your perogative. I'm tired of trying to explain myself to a bunch of people who know next to nothing of my story. I've posted about 2% of it here, the remaining 98% is not for public consumption, and I'm sick and tired of attempting to get people who have no professional training in neurology or neuropsychology to understand and aren't really interested in changing their opinions, anyhow. It would be nice if those of you who like to respond to my posts on ANY topic with sarcastic remarks about CO poisoning would just get over it. It's old news and YOU guys beat that particular dead horse more than I do.
LJ is the attention whore and he uses certain people around here to pimp himself out, because he's too lazy to post the funny, creative things that I know he's capable of, because I've seen him do it in the past.
Why don't you post a nice humorous story about the car business, Jim? This dreary topic is boring and not worthy of your talents.
Over and out.
i saw this really cool bumper sticker the other day, maybe you've seen it?
it simply says SSDD
get over this already
Dumbass.
I think it's great to recognize that people, even grown men, have emotions. I also think that there are times when we have to rise above our emotions. As Rose Sayer says in
African Queen Nature, Mr. Allnut, is what we are put in this world to rise above.
However, I don't think that's the problem here. I think the problem is a missing emotion - empathy. The ability and willingness to put yourself in the other person's place and see things from their point of view.
I admit it's easier for me to empathize with Mari than it may be for others. I understand how having a chronic illness can affect all aspects of your life - including your behavior. And some people need to talk it out to get a handle on it. Certainly a person's health affects their life much more than who got elected president, and we haven't cut short any of those threads.
LJ, It seems like ever since you started your new job, many of your comments seem to me to be mean-spirited and bitter. Not at all like the playful LJ of old.
Dumbass.
Quick, aren't you? My comments still stand. Can't you come up with a more intelligent reply yourself?
BTW I'm not responsible for the replies of friends who come over to use my computer. I am responsible for not noticing that they failed to logged off. :p
Actually, Mari, Jinx has effectively trumped any other smart ass comments you can make at this point. She has proved that you are deceptive and are playing games. Let this one go.
I don't get it. How come Mari's post has Atropos' name attibuted to it? I'm trying real hard to stay away from this thread, but now I'm just flat out confused.
Because Mari was posting with an alternate name, Garnet. She was lying about who she was.
I don't get it. How come Mari's post has Atropos' name attibuted to it? I'm trying real hard to stay away from this thread, but now I'm just flat out confused.
I explained that above. Atropos comes over and uses my internet. I failed to notice that she hadn't logged off. And no, Onyx, my alter ego on this board is "Buddha". Other people have alter ego's of their own. I'll say no more.
I don't get it. How come Mari's post has Atropos' name attibuted to it? I'm trying real hard to stay away from this thread, but now I'm just flat out confused.
Clark Kent IS Superman!
I explained that above. Atropos comes over and uses my internet. I failed to notice that she hadn't logged off.
I thought that was flippant.
Why is Atropos' location listed as California if she lives in Colorado?
In addition, Atropos posted in a previous post something about "from trendy southern california" about playgrounds and some such. That doesn't sound like Colorado to me.
Edited to add:
Delurking again to post News Flash from trendy southern California: Fights on the playground as a form of entertainment are passe' after age 5. The hip 6 year old pulls the wings off flies in his spare moments.
From what I can tell, Mari, you appear to be living on some sort of government hand out program at the moment and want to get off it.
If Atropos was posting at your house, this would not have been worded like this. Nice try. I'm not buying it.
I explained that above. Atropos comes over and uses my internet. I failed to notice that she hadn't logged off.
No that was flippant. Just shut up now.
I think I'll go back to reading about who pees in the shower :(
No that was flippant. Just shut up now.
OK, yes, Flippant=Atropos. It was her idea of a joke. Flippant's/Atropos' computer is down and she sometimes comes over to use mine. However I am not Flippant and I'm tired of that accusation, as well. If I were Flippant I could have her jump right in here, but she's at work and unlike some of you, she works at work and doesn't mess around on the net.
Maybe this is something we should ask Flippant, but why would she feel the need to create an alter-ego in California who pretends not to know Mari? I'm not trying to beat this to death, but I just don't get it. :confused:
Flippant should really speak for herself. I think she wanted to create someone who was her polar opposite in every possible way. I suppose she might explain more when she next views this thread. Or maybe not. I can't speak for her. If you'd like Buddha to give a few comments that can be arranged. BTW, you'll notice that Buddha has avoided this thread like the plague.
HMMM.....verrrrrry interesting.
dar, you're right. I have been a bit nasty. sorry about that.
I think the problem is a missing emotion - empathy. The ability and willingness to put yourself in the other person's place and see things from their point of view.
I admit it's easier for me to empathize with Mari than it may be for others. I understand how having a chronic illness can affect all aspects of your life - including your behavior. And some people need to talk it out to get a handle on it. Certainly a person's health affects their life much more than who got elected president, and we haven't cut short any of those threads.
Boy, I can relate.
I think you hit that nail dar, square on the head. :thumbsup:
Still trying to understand your rationale, LJ...why apologize to Dar?
Actually Mari, your story doesn't hold water for another reason: Atropos' Last post.
According to the member's list, Atropos' last post was at 12:55 am today.
According to the members list, Marichiko's last few posts were, in order,
1:08am, 1:43pm, and 2:17pm.
If it was a case of "she didn't log out of her screen name", as you suggest, that mistake would have been on the 1:08am post today, not one 3 posts after, this afternoon.
Hmmm. Again, Nice try.
I'm confused about others being confused. On my machine post #174 in this thread has Marichiko's name on it. Jinx's screenshot has post #174 attributed to Atropos. Can you change the author of a post after the fact? If not, how come I see Marichiko and Jinx sees Atropos?
It could have been that Atropos was just checking her messages this afternoon.
As fishy as this smells, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities for Flippant and/or Mari to use multiple screen names...because they're weird like that. :)
And they wouldn't be the first ones to do so...the owner of this board has a second screen name, though he hasn't used it recently, from what I've seen.
I'm confused about others being confused. On my machine post #174 in this thread has Marichiko's name on it. Jinx's screenshot has post #174 attributed to Atropos. Can you change the author of a post after the fact? If not, how come I see Marichiko and Jinx sees Atropos?
Maybe because Mari went back and deleted the post with Atropos' name on it, and then resubmitted it with her own name on it? Jinx happened to catch it when it still had Atropos' name on it. But then wouldn't Mari have to have Atropos' password? I'm getting a headache. :dead:
Dar, I believe the confusion will be stripped away when you understand that Marichiko is posting as different people. Marichiko posted under the Atropos name, then deleted the post when she realized what she had done, and reposted the same post as Marichiko. Jinx was qick enough to screenshot the original post, as Atropos, and posted it here for us to see that she was posting as Atropos.
There are 2 or 3 points that I brought up after Mari tried to deny that she is also Atropos. She still hasn't answered them. She says that Atropos uses her computer, but I quoted Atropos, acting like she doesn't know Mari. Why would Atropos act like she's in California and doesn't know Mari if she's using her computer? That doesn't make sense.
Neither does the fact that Mari says that Atropos was "logged on" to Mari's computer, and Mari wasn't aware of that until she posted as Atropos. As I pointed out earlier, that would have happened on Mari's 1:08am today post if that was the case.
So you see, the only logical conclusion is that Mari is lying when she says she isn't Atropos. She's caught, and doesn't want to admit it.
You can't change an author after a post.
If you're logged in as the author, you can copy the post to your clipboard, and delete it. Then you can re-log-in under another account, and paste the same post 4 minutes later.
I am going to post the following because upon reflection, I think it very relevant to everything that has been going down here. I had been after Flippant to join the Cellar for quite sometime because I thought she'd find the discussions here interesting (HAH!). One day she was over at my place and I got her to take a look around here and join. From time to time she'll come over and use my computer to post things here. Once I'd forgotten she'd been on and sat down and posted a reply to something that Lookout had said and the reply showed up under her name. I apologized to both her and Lookout for this mistake.
LJ jumped on this error and apparently down in one of the image forums he accused me and Flippant of being the same person. I don't visit those forums much, but Flippant does, and she was really irritated. I never even bothered to look for LJ's post myself. Then a while back UT took to calling us MariFlip, which annoyed both of us.
Flippant decided to create a persona to post under who would have no sympathy for me and be as different from herself as possible. She figured that this way she could make the occasional comment without being attacked by LJ for being me in disguise hence "Atropos."
Space case that I am, I forgot that Atropos had been over here posting, so I posted my message above under her name. I feel very badly that due to my spacyness, I let Flippant's little joke out. She was simply as fed up of being attacked by LJ and subjected to his nutty accusations as I am.
Now, I have no control over Flippant's actions and she may decide to add her own comments here when she finally reads through this or she may not. I am not her, so I don't know what her response will be.
For anyone who cares, I post on the bosque as Archimedes, having made plain to all that in the Cellar I'm Marichiko. Sometimes I'm Buddha. On other sites you may see me as Manitoumulegirl. Got that straight LJ?
It could have been that Atropos was just checking her messages this afternoon.
At some point, Occam's Razor applies...
It could have been that Atropos was just checking her messages this afternoon.
As fishy as this smells, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities for Flippant and/or Mari to use multiple screen names...because they're weird like that. :)
I would agree with you, except for this:
It was her idea of a joke. Flippant's/Atropos' computer is down and she sometimes comes over to use mine. However I am not Flippant and I'm tired of that accusation, as well. If I were Flippant I could have her jump right in here, but she's at work and unlike some of you, she works at work and doesn't mess around on the net.
So if she was at work, she wouldn't be on Mari's computer.
And they wouldn't be the first ones to do so...the owner of this board has a second screen name, though he hasn't used it recently, from what I've seen.
I agree, the part I have a problem with is her lying about it.
Space case that I am, I forgot that Atropos had been over here posting, so I posted my message above under her name. I feel very badly that due to my spacyness, I let Flippant's little joke out. She was simply as fed up of being attacked by LJ and subjected to his nutty accusations as I am.
Now, I have no control over Flippant's actions and she may decide to add her own comments here when she finally reads through this or she may not. I am not her, so I don't know what her response will be.
You have yet to respond to the time of the postings of both user names. If Atropos last posting was 12:55am and Mari's was 1:08am, both today, that means that the Mari ID would have been the one used last. Hence, when you posted at 1:43pm and 2:17pm, you would not have had to log in as you. You already were, from the 1:08am post.
If it went down as you say it did, where is Atropos' post between 1:08am this morning and 1:43pm this afternoon??
Still trying to understand your rationale, LJ...why apologize to Dar?
it's simple, spode. I HAVE been kind of nasty. I tried to stay out of fights with most of those that jumped to bash me for dishing the shit at mari-flipan-atro-sybill, but i did't completely succeed. syc and tw in particular took a bit of return fire. I know I haven't been there with the positive stuff, and that when I post negative stuff, the scale tips. so I'm sorry about that. I'm not sorry for being mean to a liar, though.
Look guys, I can solve the mystery very easily for you. Flippant was over last night and we were both viewing this thread. She made her comment as Atropos and I made mine as me. Then Flippant went back on as Atropos because she wanted to check to see if she had any PM's. She then went home. The next day I sat down and wrote my post without noticing that I was automaticlly longed on as Atropos. I caught the error, snipped my post and logged Atrops off. You don't have to use a password to delete a message if you are already logged on as that person. It doesn't take a rocket scientist.
How convenient. It took you that long to come up with that?
You wanna know what really gets me? I defended you. Won't make that mistake again.
The Cellar: Multiple Personality Syndrome, it's not just for Slang anymore. :D
It could have been that Atropos was just checking her messages this afternoon.
As fishy as this smells, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities for Flippant and/or Mari to use multiple screen names...because they're weird like that. :)
And they wouldn't be the first ones to do so...the owner of this board has a second screen name, though he hasn't used it recently, from what I've seen.
so you're ready to give her a pass for, what I think we all agree, is shitty behavior, yet you take every glimmer you can to lash out at me? what happened to demanding accountability? cock.
It's been a long day. I come home to a voice mail from Mari and THIS? Yeah, I'm Atropos, so nail me to the cross. It was a joke. None of you believe I exist, so I gave you exactly what you wanted - a non-existant person who doesn't like Mari. Last night went down pretty much like Mari said only I didn't log back on to check for any PM's. :eek: I logged back on because I was going to reply to another thread, but instead I got to talking to Mari and saw how late it was and I had to get up to go to my job where I wish I DID have a multiple personality because they want me to do three people's work. I turned off the computer and Mari saw me to the door. I went home and went to sleep. I don't know what Mari did after I left. For what it's worth.
How convenient. It took you that long to come up with that?
You wanna know what really gets me? I defended you. Won't make that mistake again.
I don't know. How long does it take YOU to come up with the truth? I didn't even think about the sequence of events. Flip and I were taking turns on the computer. So what? You're sure quick to come up with the accusations.
PS Thanks, Flip. You're right "for what it's worth." These people just want to believe what they feel like believing.
So will Flippant continue to post as both Flippant and Atropos? Flippant--why did you think it was necessary to create another identity? If you've got someting to say, just say it. I just don't get why you went to all that trouble to deceive people, especially with all the elaborate details about LA and such. I've never had anything against you, but I hope you understand that people will be suspicious of everything you post here from now on. And if you and Mari are indeed two different people (and lots of people have voiced doubts about that), Mari is the one taking th fall for this--not you.
Y'know. I've seen LJ accidentally post as Jinx, and I'm sure either Case or I accidentally posted as each other on occasion. It kind of goes with the territory when you share a computer, be it with a spouse, roommate, friend, whatever.
Why does Flippant have two logins? I dunno, don't care. No offence meant to her, but she hasn't really been around long enough to create much of an identity here. Look, just cut each other some slack. You don't have to like each other, that's fine. But this thread isn't going anywhere. Fuck, and I'm about to contribute to it. Whatever.
Actually Mari, your story doesn't hold water for another reason: Atropos' Last post.
According to the member's list, Atropos' last post was at 12:55 am today.
According to the members list, Marichiko's last few posts were, in order,
1:08am, 1:43pm, and 2:17pm.
If it was a case of "she didn't log out of her screen name", as you suggest, that mistake would have been on the 1:08am post today, not one 3 posts after, this afternoon.
Hmmm. Again, Nice try.
And what's with the 1:43pm and 2:17pm? I think the prosecution is getting a little over-zealous. What's the big problem with THAT time frame?
I posted last night at 11:08pm. Flippant took her turn on the computer after that and apparently logged in as Atropos and didn't post anything because we got to talking instead. It was late, she went home, I didn't turn on the computer until 11:43 am the next day, caught the mistake, logged her off and posted as myself from that time forward. This is stupid. Since its the internet, I can't prove my innocence and you can't prove my guilt. You just get to believe what you want. I'm fed up with this entire thing.
...between a lookyloo and a rubbernecker?
A lookyloo is one who slows down and ties up traffic gaping at the carnage as he drives by on the shoulder, whereas a rubbernecker has to crane his head around and ties up traffic gaping at the carnage as he drives by from the opposite lane of traffic.
I hope the aid cars are on the way, because I gawp and stare but cannot help. I just want to get further on down the road.
The wreckage in this multi car, I mean multi post disaster has clogged the commerce of ideas so completely that I can't tell if I'm a lookyloo or a rubbernecker.
Either that or as some would say (and have done so in the past) that the real problem is that I just don't know if I'm coming or going...
So will Flippant continue to post as both Flippant and Atropos? Flippant--why did you think it was necessary to create another identity? If you've got someting to say, just say it. I just don't get why you went to all that trouble to deceive people, especially with all the elaborate details about LA and such. I've never had anything against you, but I hope you understand that people will be suspicious of everything you post here from now on. And if you and Mari are indeed two different people (and lots of people have voiced doubts about that), Mari is the one taking th fall for this--not you.
It was a joke, Garnet. Get it, J-O-K-E. And in a way, I'm getting the fallout for this too, since it was my prank and I didn't log myself off her computer when I was finished. Forgive me for having a sense of humour and this whole mistaken idenity thing was exactly what I was making fun of. Maybe I'm really YOU! Maybe I'm really LJ! Want to try to prove that I'm NOT you? Give this a rest. It's like Perth said, two people use the same computer and mistakes happen. It doesn't mean anything.
It was a joke, Garnet. Get it, J-O-K-E.
Yeah Flippant (or is it Atropos?) I "get it" all right...I think we all "get it" at this point. :rolleyes:
I'll tell you all what. Since Perth and I and Flippant all live in the same town. What if the three of us were to get together and Perth could verify to the world that yes, Virginia, there really are two seperate people who go by the board names of Flippant and Marichiko. That's if Flippant and Perth agree. I am Soooo fed up with this!
Of course, maybe I made Perth up. Or maybe Flippant made both me and Perth up or maybe... :eyebrow:
Yeah Flippant (or is it Atropos?) I "get it" all right...I think we all "get it" at this point. :rolleyes:
Yeah right, Garnet. And I'm sorry I ever defended YOU!
boy, when i stir shit, I don't fuck around. Come. sit at the feet of the master and I will instruct you.
Excuse me? I questioned flippant's motives here--not yours. I personally think it's really sleazy what she did. When did I ever say anything about you?
Excuse me? I questioned flippant's motives here--not yours. I personally think it's really sleazy what she did. When did I ever say anything about you?
Flippant's my friend, and I don't think it was sleazy. It was just her way of having a bit of fun. Big deal.
Gosh, well I think I'll remove myself from this thread now....hopefully the whole damn thing will die out SOON.
Gosh, well I think I'll remove myself from this thread now....hopefully the whole damn thing will die out SOON.
I couldn't agree with you more. It's a silly argument where neither side can prove anything. I'm outta this thread myself.
Welcome Atropos!
Welcome, atropos. Don't let the natives bother you. We're mostly friendly (sort of).
Ooooh, it's 'humour'. I get it... :3_eyes:
So, Mari, hows the ole job search going??
Best double check who you are logged as on your email account before sending any follow up emails. Just a thought. :rollanim:
Oh, and ask Flipper or whatever if she still plans on rubbing elbows with Radar
You'll be a hit in Cali! I'll have my people get together with your people and eat dogs for lunch! Maybe we can come up with a new line of dog houses - Ocean views, priced in the lower $900,000's. Think it over. Good luck!
so you're ready to give her a pass for, what I think we all agree, is shitty behavior, yet you take every glimmer you can to lash out at me? what happened to demanding accountability? cock.
"Why are you cutting Mari slack, but not me?! Waaaaaah!" Dude, get your diaper changed already.
Having just re-read everything, it would seem that the absolute worst case scenario is that Mari has a user ID called "atropos" and isn't being truthful about it. That would be stupid, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not a big deal. You, on the other hand, have repeatedly shown that you're a useless piece of shit. However, you did take a small step today towards accountability by admitting that you have been "kind of nasty." Now, don't go straining your arm patting yourself on the back, but there may actually be hope for you yet.
Jinx's little page shot gave me an idea, so here you go. Now I suppose in theory I could have sent myself PM's from myself while I was pretending to be Flippant or Atropos, but if you all believe that then you need to take your tinfoil hats in for a return on your money.
Having just re-read everything, it would seem that the absolute worst case scenario is that Mari has a user ID called "atropos" and isn't being truthful about it. That would be stupid, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not a big deal.
Actually, that's not the worst case scenario. In her eagerness to put a human face on various needs addressed by the all virtuous Democratic Party in its battle with the all evil Republican party, she often seeds her stories with convenient connections that just don't sound authentic, especially when you consider the post deletion and other deceptions that violate the prime directive here.
Just be real! I want to hear peoples real takes on the real lives that they lead. I don't want to hear a cooked up version made to make a political point. Did you notice how much more palatable Radar is lately? He's been talking about his real life and it gives a body to his belief system. Mari has little credibility for when she actually has a point. I never know what to believe. When Rho talks about her health issues we believe her because she has a deep reserve of credibilty, with Mari we just don't know. Jim can be a SOB but he's been real with us as far as I can tell, so he's our SOB.
dude. did you just call my mom a bitch?
Maybe you aren't aware that you are flipper or aproposterous. Paging Wolf who, I suspect, understood this many moons in the past.
Actually, that's not the worst case scenario. In her eagerness to put a human face on various needs addressed by the all virtuous Democratic Party in its battle with the all evil Republican party, she often seeds her stories with convenient connections that just don't sound authentic, especially when you consider the post deletion and other deceptions that violate the prime directive here.
You wanna back up those words big guy? I deleted a post of mine on this thread, because it was just me getting angry and I felt it inappropriate. And what other deceptions, pal? If you are going to make accusations back them up. And if you are referring to the whole "Mariflip" thing, then I think that reprint of a segment of my PM's ought to be enough to clear up that bit of confusion.
We'll have to agree to disagree, Griff. Politics is damned near subjective these days. I'll admit that I'm skeptical, but I think Mari is still entitled to the benefit of the doubt, and has been more real than a lot of people here.
Maybe you aren't aware that you are flipper or aproposterous. Paging Wolf who, I suspect, understood this many moons in the past.
Or maybe too many people around here are just like a pack of wolves who indulge in beastial pleasures, but I suppose the reference is beyond your grasp, so don't bother to page someone to explain it.
[SIZE=4]And Flippant, I truely, deeply apologize for ever having lured you into this[/SIZE] [SIZE=7]RATHOLE[/SIZE]
[SIZE=6]Please forgive me![/SIZE]
Jesus Christ...Mari, would you please step away from the board...please? You've said what needed to be said. If people want to believe you, fine. If not, oh well. But you're only making a bad situation worse right now.
Jesus Christ...Mari, would you please step away from the board...please? You've said what needed to be said. If people want to believe you, fine. If not, oh well. But you're only making a bad situation worse right now.
You're right. [SIZE=1]I'm going to go away now and let the rest of you fight among yourselves.[/SIZE]
sycamore.
Thank you, Jim, for showing people what can happen when you smoke pot.
LUMBERJIM
oops. I appear to have a pole up my ass.
It's true, everybody! I confess! It was really LJ being me all along! Had you all going for a moment there, huh? LJ will now retire his feminine personna and return you all to your regularly scheduled bitch sessions.
Oh dear, I hate it when we have these battles over which personality will dominate. I really think YOU should come out this time. Remember what happened last week in that Gay Bar? Yech!
yup. I broke it.
Is there a doctor in the house?
Quick! Find a medic! LJ's coming undone at the seams and all his personalities are leaking out! AAARG, not THAT one LJ, you promised the rest of us you'd keep it a secret!
oh man. it's really bad. totally fuckin broke it. this could get ugly. Marflipos, or Marfos....or Morphos......morph.....ooooooo.....eerie......anyway.......
Here's how you clear it up:
within the next 48 hours, post a picture of you and flippant(together in the same place) holding up signs with your user name(s) and some insult printed clearly. Additionally, you should also be holding an orange, and flippant holding a pear. Look angry in the picture. That should settle it.
unless you're really good with photo shop.
Me and my shadow, strolling down the avenue... How about a picture of you and me holding hands, I'll be holding a rose and you'll be holding your nose. Maybe we should call the doctor and ask him to up our meds? I'm calling you in sick tomorrow. I hate it when we have these public personality breaks. Where's Wolf when we really need her? I think we need to take a nice long winter's nap. Why don't you tell Onyx and Sycamore to stop pretending to be us while we're asleep? Nighty-nighty now.
You're right. [SIZE=1]I'm going to go away now and let the rest of you fight among yourselves.[/SIZE]
Hummm...where have we heard that before?
I couldn't agree with you more. It's a silly argument where neither side can prove anything. I'm outta this thread myself.
I'm simply on vacation. Nice try assholes!...
...I feel that at the very least the Cellar needs a vacation from me, and I from it...
Marichiko 0, LJ 100...It's been great talking to almost all of you and I wish you all well.
oh, here. :eyebrow:
OH, MY GOD! YOU ARE SO RIGHT! LJ, HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO US????
[SIZE=1]I told you to kep 404 under control, but would you listen? no![/SIZE]
It's been kind of interesting watching the thread devolve. :corn:
I made my mistake early on in it, apologized, but kept reading.
One of the things that is generally refreshing about The Cellar, is that when people post, no matter what name they use, they post as themselves, rather than as some persona carefully crafted for internet consumption.
That has happened here, of course ... what's his name, that posted under two screen names and had discussions with himself.
That's cheating. If you have a point, you make it, and back it up. It stands on it's own merits, not because you have an alter ego or a friend who provides "me toos."
The sock puppet screen names are different ... I include here slang's cast of characters as well as Mari's and LJ's. I hadn't, incidentally, put it together that you were posting as Buddha, Mari. Good work. The sock puppets sometimes provide much needed humor in a situation that has gotten entirely too tense.
ThreadHijackMan needed to visit here long, long ago.
I think this thread would be best served by allowing it to fade into posterity. Don't nobody collect up your toys and go home at this point, though.
I don't expect that we'll all just get along, in fact, I hope that we don't. Constant agreement is really pretty fucking boring.
So, everybody stop agreeing not to continue to participate, read, or post to this thread. This hasn't helped so far.
hey, check out mari's profile. I think i've been identity thefted. isn;t that illegal?
EDIT: she took it out. it was pretty funny.
I got halfway through this thread and gave up.
Marichiko, if you still read the board and havent been driven away by some of the small minded, compassionless crap that gets spewed your way ( undeservedly in my opinion) then I just want to say good luck! Go for the job, it doesnt matter whether you get it or not, just applying is a start point. Engaging in the process at all will be good practise for the next and who knows maybe they are broadminded enough to give you a shot despite your lack of experience/qualifications.
I am really saddened to see the disdain you are subjected to by some of the people here. Disdain that seems to be based on a lack of empathy and compassion. I do not think you are maudlin, I do not think you talk only about your problems and I do not think your posts are in any way boring or annoying. As far as I am concerned yours is one of the names I look for in order to read an interesting post. Wolf, Jaguar, Catwoman, Lady Syc, Sycamore and Onyx Cougar are also on that mental list as is tw.
Keep us posted about your jobsearch and dont be put off by some of the less pleasant responses. Look through this thread and you'lll see many people who do care and are interested and who are quite happy to take the information you give about yourself at face value instead of weighing you down with a whole heap of doubts.
I got halfway through this thread and gave up.
*smiles condescendingly* so....you missed the part where she had a meltdown, and posted under an alias to back herself up, and all that fun stuff? keep reading.
Or don't. It's not worth it.
Or don't. It's not worth it.
Yeah not worth the price of admission. :thumbsdn: