Zen

I found a good English website for Zen. There are lots of good learning materials. The important point is that the man balance with the nature.

Great! Now Billy's working for The Man...damn The Man!

Thanks. Zen is the good Philosophy for life. However, there are less and less Chinese people knowing it.

Okay...I suspected that you might not get that...

"The Man" is a reference to those that hold the power, or the structure of power. For example..."The Man is trying to hold me back." The simple translation of this is, "Those that are in power don't want me to succeed."

The phrase was apparently originated in the 1960s by African Americans.

Actually, Zen was intended to maintain the balance between man and nature, the profoundity of powers at par. But since we r way too ruthless with nature, there is no meaning left to Zen.

Mystic Rythm wrote:

Actually, Zen was intended to maintain the balance between man and nature, the profoundity of powers at par. But since we r way too ruthless with nature, there is no meaning left to Zen.

I think that in time science will bring us full circle back towards balance. As systems studies continue, systemic balance will be shown to be vital.

Mystic Rythm wrote:

Actually, Zen was intended to maintain the balance between man and nature, the profoundity of powers at par. But since we r way too ruthless with nature, there is no meaning left to Zen.

Ah, Grasshopper, there is your mistake. Zen has no inherant meaning. It simply IS, just as everything else simply IS. One studies Zen for no other reason than to study Zen. It is the wrong path to believe there is some difference between "man" and "nature." This is dualistic thinking. There is only "the One." Man IS nature.

Zen is abstract. In old China, the Shamen and Taoists need many years to learn the Zen. Everyone can know a little zen, but it is difficult to do by zen.

sycamore wrote:

The phrase was apparently originated in the 1960s by African Americans.

Don't think so. That expression is older than I am. :eyebrow:

marichiko wrote:

Ah, Grasshopper, there is your mistake. Zen has no inherant meaning. It simply IS, just as everything else simply IS. One studies Zen for no other reason than to study Zen. It is the wrong path to believe there is some difference between "man" and "nature." This is dualistic thinking. There is only "the One." Man IS nature.

BLAH BLAH BLAH! JUST SPEAKING LIKE QUEEN OF STUPIDITY WONT FETCH U ANYWHERE. DUALITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN EXISTENT IN EACH AND EVERY HUMAN ASPECT. THIS DUALITY OF MAN HAS SEPRATED HIM FROM THE BASIC BUT MOST POWERFUL OF INTELLECTUALS. ONCE THE DUALITY IS VANISHED, MAN IS NOT A MAN, HE IS BEYOND IT, LIKE INFINITY, LIKE ZEN.

Mystic, you're the "Queen of Stupidity" here. Let's run down the list:

1. You simply don't grasp the concept of caps lock
2. You can't spell "rhythm"
3. Words like "be" and "you" entirely escape you.

Marichiko is one of the only people here who didn't react with open hostility to your arrival. The fact that you're burning that bridge again speaks to your own stupidity.

Mystic Rythm wrote:

BLAH BLAH BLAH! JUST SPEAKING LIKE QUEEN OF STUPIDITY WONT FETCH U ANYWHERE. DUALITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN EXISTENT IN EACH AND EVERY HUMAN ASPECT. THIS DUALITY OF MAN HAS SEPRATED HIM FROM THE BASIC BUT MOST POWERFUL OF INTELLECTUALS. ONCE THE DUALITY IS VANISHED, MAN IS NOT A MAN, HE IS BEYOND IT, LIKE INFINITY, LIKE ZEN.

Hostility won't "fetch you anywhere", either. Don't preach about something you know nothing of. According to Buddhist belief, duality is merely a delusion we have about our small self versus the greater Self (or atman in the Hindu). We are all inter-dependent - every living being. Your statement that "this duality of man has seperated him from the most basic but powerful of intellectuals" makes no sense in either Western or Eastern philosophy. Go look at a piece of paper and see within that paper the clouds and rain. Once you can do that, maybe you'll have something of worth to contribute to a discussion of Zen. Your hostility and idiosyncratic syntax were old from the very first post you inflicted upon us here.

Mystic Rythm:

Anyone who truly understands Zen would instinctively know better than to urinate in the pool in which you swim as this upsets the delicate balance between the self and the pool which is life. The pool will surely seek to restore that balance at the expense of the fucktard who caused the problem.

Get it, dumbass?

marichiko wrote:

Ah, Grasshopper, there is your mistake. Zen has no inherant meaning. It simply IS, just as everything else simply IS. One studies Zen for no other reason than to study Zen. It is the wrong path to believe there is some difference between "man" and "nature." This is dualistic thinking. There is only "the One." Man IS nature.

Ahhh grasshopper. Confucius say there is no wrong path especially when it comes to true nature.....leave the moralistic terms to whitey. Oh wait sorry, that's taoism. ;)

flippant wrote:

Ahhh grasshopper. Confucius say there is no wrong path especially when it comes to true nature.....leave the moralistic terms to whitey. Oh wait sorry, that's taoism. ;)

mistake=moralistic? :confused:

wrong=moralistic.....like duh. :D
Mari we have to go to that place sometime by the end of the week. wink wink. nudge nudge.ring ring.(everything to do with our Zen I think) I like my "wrong" path at least it's interesting. :eek:

marichiko wrote:

Hostility won't "fetch you anywhere", either. Don't preach about something you know nothing of. According to Buddhist belief, duality is merely a delusion we have about our small self versus the greater Self (or atman in the Hindu). We are all inter-dependent - every living being. Your statement that "this duality of man has seperated him from the most basic but powerful of intellectuals" makes no sense in either Western or Eastern philosophy. Go look at a piece of paper and see within that paper the clouds and rain. Once you can do that, maybe you'll have something of worth to contribute to a discussion of Zen. Your hostility and idiosyncratic syntax were old from the very first post you inflicted upon us here.

Duality do exist miss stupid, 4 once duality is vanished, there is none left as dumbass as u r, the basic meaning of each western and eastern philosphy spirtually has been to lessen the widening gap of this duality. as far as making no sense is concerned, why dont u surrender 2 the fact that u simply lacking!

perth wrote:

Mystic, you're the "Queen of Stupidity" here. Let's run down the list:

1. You simply don't grasp the concept of caps lock
2. You can't spell "rhythm"
3. Words like "be" and "you" entirely escape you.

Marichiko is one of the only people here who didn't react with open hostility to your arrival. The fact that you're burning that bridge again speaks to your own stupidity.

hahahahaha! caps lock and rhythm is ur world, not mine. just keep sricking ur dumb ass 2 that and that will keep u cool. i dont like to mess with fools

Mystic Rythm wrote:

hahahahaha! caps lock and rhythm is ur world, not mine. just keep sricking ur dumb ass 2 that and that will keep u cool. i dont like to mess with fools

I guess that's why you mess with everyone but yourself.

If this person used "dumbazz," I'd swear it was Cairo.

Mystic Rythm wrote:

Duality do exist miss stupid, 4 once duality is vanished, there is none left as dumbass as u r, the basic meaning of each western and eastern philosphy spirtually has been to lessen the widening gap of this duality. as far as making no sense is concerned, why dont u surrender 2 the fact that u simply lacking!

Please just stop. Spirituality doesn't seem to be helping the gap betwixt your lobes.....I want to say mean and terrible things but I think you are handicapped. :eek: Just try to play nice from now on.

I suspect that their only handicap is the English language.

sycamore wrote:

I suspect that their only handicap is the English language.

I think that's a blessing for everyone involved. If this "rythm" were to actually be able to convey his/ her thoughts we would all be in very deep trouble. :D
If you see that runaway H drop me a line.

Can you understand the ideas of Zen?

No, but I can clap with one hand.

Billy wrote:

Can you understand the ideas of Zen?

I have studied it, Billy. I took several philosophy courses in college on Eastern thought, and I've read many books by Buddhist teachers, including Zen masters. The essence of Zen is very hard for the Western mind to grasp, and stilling my "monkey mind" is an achievement which still eludes me. ;)

marichiko wrote:

I have studied it, Billy. I took several philosophy courses in college on Eastern thought, and I've read many books by Buddhist teachers, including Zen masters. The essence of Zen is very hard for the Western mind to grasp, and stilling my "monkey mind" is an achievement which still eludes me. ;)

U REALLY DID STUDIED? I AM SORRY 4 MY WORDS. ACTUALLY I AM STUDENT OF PHILOSPHY MYSELF AND I AM HATED (LIKE IN THIS GROUP TOO) FOR MY REVOLUTIONARY IDEAS. ACTUALLY THE ILLUSION OF DUALISM IS SO PROFOUND THAT IT IS MUCH MORE THAN ILLUSION ITSELF. THATS ALL. THE ZEN IS CHILD OF BUDDHISM AND TAOISM BOTH OF WHICH ARE NOT MEANINGFUL YET CONCEAL ALL.

flippant wrote:

Please just stop. Spirituality doesn't seem to be helping the gap betwixt your lobes.....I want to say mean and terrible things but I think you are handicapped. :eek: Just try to play nice from now on.

actually u r handicapped with zen so move ur self out of it. its that simple.

Happy Monkey wrote:

I guess that's why you mess with everyone but yourself.

atleast better than u who is a mess himself

Who the fuck are you? Prince? Learn how to spell words properly, stupid.

So much for your midyear resolution. Did you put a buck in the jar?

I think we all needed me to cuss, if only for a minute. And does the piece of shit not deserve it?

If you don't do it on occasion, your intestines will explode, so it is a good idea.

And yes. Good call.

I don't claim to be an expert on Zen. However, when studying this interesting philosophy, I thought the teachings of Zen were the search for enlightement.
I was also taught to find enlightenment one must discover nothingness......

Mystic Rythm wrote:

Duality do exist miss stupid, 4 once duality is vanished, there is none left as dumbass as u r, the basic meaning of each western and eastern philosphy spirtually has been to lessen the widening gap of this duality. as far as making no sense is concerned, why dont u surrender 2 the fact that u simply lacking!

I just worked a double shift, and I'm two scotches deep into myself, so I'm going to attempt to reply to this (after translating, first):

Native English Speaker expressing Mystic R*h*ythm's ideas wrote:

Duality does exist, foolish woman, for once duality has vanished the people as ignorant as yourself will simply disappear. The essence of both Eastern and Western philosophies is an attempt to draw the two "opposites" of a duality closer together and to recognize that each part is intricately linked to the other. As a sidenote, with respect to senseless rambling, I must ask why you refuse to acknowledge that your penis is significantly smaller than mine.

Now, my personal understanding of Eastern thought on duality is not actually changing the two components, but simply recognizing them as being two sides of the same coin and that neither may exist without the other. Just as light could not exist without being defined at its borders by darkness, so darkness would cease to be were it not intruded upon occasionally by light. Also, dualities do not exist in conflict (common in western thought, things such as "good vs evil"), but in harmony with each other. One must look at the symbolism of the yin/yang, with each side not pulling against the other, but flowing into it. This deceptively simple little piece of artwork, in fact, almost perfectly illustrates eastern thoughts on the nature of duality and/or opposites.

Also, Mystic Rythm (sic), I have to ask for my own reasons where you are from and what language (if any) do you speak natively?

I Hv Company and laughing we r 2 laughinng much.

alphageek31337 wrote:

I just worked a double shift, and I'm two scotches deep into myself, so I'm going to attempt to reply to this (after translating, first):



Now, my personal understanding of Eastern thought on duality is not actually changing the two components, but simply recognizing them as being two sides of the same coin and that neither may exist without the other. Just as light could not exist without being defined at its borders by darkness, so darkness would cease to be were it not intruded upon occasionally by light. Also, dualities do not exist in conflict (common in western thought, things such as "good vs evil"), but in harmony with each other. One must look at the symbolism of the yin/yang, with each side not pulling against the other, but flowing into it. This deceptively simple little piece of artwork, in fact, almost perfectly illustrates eastern thoughts on the nature of duality and/or opposites.

Also, Mystic Rythm (sic), I have to ask for my own reasons where you are from and what language (if any) do you speak natively?

DUALITY AND ITS INDVIDUALISM ARE THE THINGS WITH BOUNDARIES MINGLING INTO EACH OTHER. BUT THEY DO HAVE BOUNDARIES. IT IS JUST SIMPLY HARD TO EXPLAIN LIKE THE DUAL NATURE OF LIGHT IN QUANTUM PHYSICS.
AND I AM NOT GOING 2 PAY U A PENNY FOR UR TRANSLATIONS. ANYWAY THANX 4 THE IDEA U CONVEY IS SAME.

Mystic Rythm wrote:

U REALLY DID STUDIED? I AM SORRY 4 MY WORDS. ACTUALLY I AM STUDENT OF PHILOSPHY MYSELF AND I AM HATED (LIKE IN THIS GROUP TOO) FOR MY REVOLUTIONARY IDEAS. ACTUALLY THE ILLUSION OF DUALISM IS SO PROFOUND THAT IT IS MUCH MORE THAN ILLUSION ITSELF. THATS ALL. THE ZEN IS CHILD OF BUDDHISM AND TAOISM BOTH OF WHICH ARE NOT MEANINGFUL YET CONCEAL ALL.

illusion of self
a drop in the waterfall
river flows to sea

Even expressed as a haiku, mystic is still a dumbass who can't spell for shit.

A+ on poetry interpretation, Wolf! :D

wolf wrote:

Even expressed as a haiku, mystic is still a dumbass who can't spell for shit.

AND IMPOTENTS LIKE WOLF WHO CANT SPELL I-N-T-E-L-L-I-G-E-N-C-E IN ALL THEY CONVEY

marichiko wrote:

A+ on poetry interpretation, Wolf! :D

"AND IF U WANT TO B HEAD OF STUPID FUCKERS,
TRUST ON THOSE WHO SAY THEY CAN INTERPRET POETRY"