It's an Omen!!

Albino Deer, sighted Sunday 17-Oct-2004, out in front of the nuthouse. Could he have been there to lift the curse?

Thanks to my coworker Rick T. who was smart enough to have a digital camera in his car.

Second shot.

Well, isn't that something? So...are there any Native American harbingers associated with a deer in the same way that there is with a buffalo?

I know there isn't a Ted Nugent song about a Great White Deer...

Cool! That's in front of the nuthouse? Looks heavenly--all bucolic and restful...ah, I may just go crazy... :biggrinje

I know there isn't a Ted Nugent song about a Great White Deer...

That's probably because Ted prepared it with a black raspberry sauce instead. (I understand that there is a prohibition against hunting white deer, that's what one of my coworkers was saying anyway)

The deer are to the Eastern Woodlands Indians as the Buffalo is to the Plains Tribes, so it is likely that there are legends that refer to it.

Unfortunately most of them have been either assimilated or killed off and many of the teachings are lost. I do have emails out to a couple of people who might know.

I might also give a try at emailing the Lenni Lenape Musuem in Allentown, just in case.

SIDE NOTE: Miracle, the White Buffalo, died recently, after having fulfilled the prophecy (born white, and then shifted through color phases of each of the rest of the directions ... yellow, red, and black.)

We Anglo descendants have done a pretty darn good job of assimilation, elimination and just plain killing off of pretty much everything that wasn't Caucasian, Christian and European, haven't we?

Sad, as these so-called "primitive" cultures seem to have a much better handle on survival and a better relationship with the natural world than we do.

Elspode wrote:

We Anglo descendants have done a pretty darn good job of assimilation, elimination and just plain killing off of pretty much everything that wasn't Caucasian, Christian and European, haven't we?

Sad, as these so-called "primitive" cultures seem to have a much better handle on survival and a better relationship with the natural world than we do.

They had a better handle on survival because they had to..........or not survive. They had to be in touch with nature to avail themselves of all the early warning they could get. When you live basically outside, weather is a life or death force.
The "Caucasian, Christian and European" people spend much of their time outside farming and forageing but had an "inside" for shelter from weather and critters.
I think the "white" mans solution is much smarter. It works for me. Why adapt to a threat when you can minimize it.
As far as a better relationship with the natural world, again survival.
A primative and nomadic lifestyle requires knowing how the things around you can help or hurt. That knowledge was lost to those that didn't need it.
The Indians used what they could kill or forage and when it was no longer available they moved on. The area recovered because the Indians were small populations doing minimal permanant damage. That lifesyle can't be sustained by larger groups.
When the indians were made aware of and given access to, guns, iron axes, cookware and machine woven textiles, they leaped at them, Their lifestyle was always by necessity not by choice.

BTW, that second picture looks more like a goat. :confused:

That's what a couple of cops that were looking at the pictures tonight also said, however, some of the non-photographed sightings were made by an individual who hunts. He confirms it as a deer.

I know! It was a Satyre, looking for you, probably. :biggrin:

I can't tell.....does that second pic show a rack on that white steaksandwich.

You'd have to put one right in it's ear or eye to save that nice hide.

Nice pic Wolf.

Any sightings of white bears there? How about white turkeys?

Yes, it does. He's a spike.

I vote goat. Your hunter wasn't from Jersey was he?

Griff wrote:

I vote goat.

Good point. Wolf, shoot the sonofabitch next time ya see em. We need some
closeup pics for verification.

I would say goat. That critter appears to have a most un-deerlike tail, plus in relation to the rows of corn in the background, its a pretty small animal. Also, a deer would have much longer legs in proportion to its body. There is a species of deer native to parts of Europe and Asia called the "fallow deer" (Dama dama ) which has a commonly occuring white phase. Some were brought to the US and now roam near the Argonne Lab outside of Chicago. It's possible, I suppose, that one might have strayed down to your part of the world, but unlikely since they prefer to remain in herds. By the application of all of the above and Occam's razer, I'd have to vote "goat"!

xoxoxoBruce wrote:

BTW, that second picture looks more like a goat. :confused:

Now that's just crazy talk. It's obviously the mystical white deer of great fortune and anyone lucky enough to see it will inherit the earth after the rapture, or be given the choice of amazing sex forever.(duh) :D

flippant wrote:

Now that's just crazy talk. It's obviously the mystical white deer of great fortune and anyone lucky enough to see it will inherit the earth after the rapture, or be given the choice of amazing sex forever.(duh) :D

So what do I have to see to BOTH inherit the earth after rapture AND have amazing sex forever? Do hallucinations count? How about figments of the imagination? Drug induced visions? :eyeball:

marichiko wrote:

So what do I have to see to BOTH inherit the earth after rapture AND have amazing sex forever? Do hallucinations count? How about figments of the imagination? Drug induced visions? :eyeball:

Obviously the 2-headed white deer of great fortune must be seen.
Not accounting for self-induced hallucinations.(very bad luck) :eek:

flippant wrote:

Obviously the 2-headed white deer of great fortune must be seen.
Not accounting for self-induced hallucinations.(very bad luck) :eek:

I saw a two headed salamander once, does that count? :D

Only if it was white.
The whitetail deer in these parts a different than western deer. They're smaller in most places here because of the intense competition for food and minerals. They tend to be larger in farm country.
My buddy had a pair of albino fawns in his Lancaster County junkyard about 6 years ago. He told everyone they were off limits but once they wandered off the property they went who knows where. :(

xoxoxoBruce wrote:

They had a better handle on survival because they had to..........or not survive.

I want to thank you for that Bruce. I thought I was the only other person who realized that the only reason the native americans still lived in tents was because they couldn't do any better. :stickpoke

I'm not sure "they couldn't do any better" doesn't imply more than at least I intended. Living a nomadic lifestyle before the invention of Winnebagos didn't leave many options. :eyebrow:

xoxoxoBruce wrote:

I'm not sure "they couldn't do any better" doesn't imply more than at least I intended. Living a nomadic lifestyle before the invention of Winnebagos didn't leave many options. :eyebrow:

I was only semi-serious. There is some belief in the anthropological world that the only reason that the native americans hadn't exploited the resources more fully and settled down to strip the land properly was because they lacked the technology. Same as any other aboriginal culture.

They were forced to live in harmony or starve.

Yes, I've seen some dissent in passing that says the native americans stripped the land bare in several instances.

Today we have the technology to get resources without doing so much damage. Except for the fossil fuels, in a lot of cases it seems we've come full circle -- getting productive enough to strip the hell out of the land, and then getting productive enough to get those resources without messing things up so much.

I read where a great deal of the forest land in the NE US was cut away at some point and now it is back because it is managed well, even with cities encroaching.

Undertoad wrote:

I read where a great deal of the forest land in the NE US was cut away at some point and now it is back because it is managed well, even with cities encroaching.

The East Coast was the first part of this country to be settled. The forests were cut down so people could farm the land. Through much of the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic, you can walk through the woods and come to old stone walls that used to mark the edges of farmers' fields.

Now the farms are in the South, the Midwest, and California.

It has nothing to do with good forest management. The weather in those other regions just allows a longer growing season. When the farmers left, the trees grew back.

The forests in the Northeast belonged to the King and he had them cut and carried off wholesale. The locals were paid to cut and ship them and then left to farm the cleared land.
Trouble is the hilly, rockey, NE was ok for pasture but almost impossible to grow profitable crops. The ones that stayed had dairy farms and several acres of garden to feed the family. The ones that wanted to grow grains went west.
When firewood went out of vogue, the forests came back. :biggrin: