Upgrade done
Yeah, it's done!
At this point I'm sure everyone is panicking! I know *I* am, as I look for some of the customization I have left to do.
BUT look at all the new widgets and stuff we now have!
(And while changes are still going in and the templates are being updated... continue not to panic.)
Uh, whoa. Looking good UT. I like it. It *really* took me by surprise tho. I guess that's what I get for getting online as soon as I wake up. :D
Oh look IMG codes aren't working! Oh look, all our usual smilies are different! Good gawd I've got work to do here...
I shall not panic...I shall not panic...
Seriously, this is a slick new interface. I like the layout but will hold off any constructive criticism or in-depth reviews until you get it tweaked the way you want it and *I* have a chance to get used to the feel and look, as well as the new stuff.
Brian
I don't know. Looks complicated. I'll have to turn the light on to go pee, or I'll bark my shins for sure. ;)
Terrifying, absolutely terrifying! :worried: But I know I'll get used to it, and so, I suppose, will everyone else!
OK, I've worked how NOT to show everyone's AGE on their posts.
You may want to edit your Location, because that's stayin'... I hope people use it to show their actual location, and not just use it as another kind of User Title.
People have convinced me to leave in the post count and now that it appears on the right, maybe it will have a different impact.
Although I'm not sure how reliable it is, I like being able to see which forums people are looking at. This Quick Reply feature that I'm using now is also cool.
The quick reply thing is great, long with the rest, gave me a shock at first though.
I like the new interface. Being able to see the most recent thread in each forum is nice.
Unfortunately, more information means smaller fonts, so these old eyes are trying to adjust.
I'm still looking foward to the adventure.
BTW, is there a spell check?
:eek: That's a lot of smilies!
Of course, now that every post lists my location, even if it is in my user bio, I might have to rethink the whole 'use my real name' idea.
I could go back to using a handle.
How does 'Big Dick' sound? Or is that considered bragging. :king:
Overall, an improvement... Thanks for the effort, Tony. I look forward to seeing it with the rest of your customizations done.
How does 'Big Dick' sound? Or is that considered bragging. :king:
It's you.
The smilies are mostly not from the upgrade, but from another smilie harvest that I did. And people won't overuse them, because they will forget the tags for them, and they don't get the smiley menu on the quick reply editor!
:eek:
:alien: :dead: :stop: :vader1: :headshake :us: :evil2: :Flush: :rasta: :twofinger :unsure: :male: :female:
Neat little function the replies showing up in the thread notification... Can anybody see the smilies?
never mind must be a loading problem on my end...weird
no it was the return of the access thingy that was giving you trouble before. I fixed it again :thumb:
OK, well, this is actually kind of cool (takes several deep breaths to calm herself). Yeah, I might just survive this transition after all. We seem to have new smilies though. Now back when the cellar was the cellar, we didn't have so many colored emoticons... ;)
The smilies are racially diverse!
Thank you sir! Next deal, how do we change a lame tagline?
Top of page ->Quick Links -> Edit Profile
hmmm... I've been there, no option?
Not "options", you want "profile". Location is near the bottom of the profile page.
You could also hit "User CP" which still stands for "Control Panel". From there you get to a whole slew of things on the left, but "Edit Profile" gets it done.
Also, "Edit Profile Picture" gives you the chance to upload a 100x100 jpg of yourself. Why not. I did.
Eh...where is the Edit Profile Picture option, UT?
Top of page -> User CP -> Edit Profile Picture
Perhaps I'm just missing it, but I don't seem to have that option.
I noticed I have 35 meg in attachments. Time to make a donation. :blush:
Yikes, still figuring some of this stuff out... try it now.
Also, your profile pic can be up to 500x500, why not.
Holy shit, what happened here?
I leave for a 5-hour roadtrip, and it's like the whole world was turned upside-down.
nice.
i hope i dont get blisters from breaking this in, though.
i like the greenlight online thingy. i like the post id being linked so its easy to point to a specific post.
the vb site showed mouseover efffects (first few words of a post pop up when you mouse over a thread title.) ?
my buddy list doesnt show by default in the control panel, and its a seperate window when it open. dont really like that, but with the green lights.....i'll manage, i think.
this quick reply bit will make it easier for me to post more, which i'm sure everyone agrees can be nothing but positive. there's absolutely no way that could go wrong, right? i see that my post count has returned.
i dont really like the boxed look of the quotes that much. can you make it like the old way, with the little embossed lines?
just checking this
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<strike>and this</strike>[/color][/size]
Aack. It's great... it really is!
...but...
It's an identical theme to another vBulletin forum I use regularly (skyscrapercity.com). I swear, when I first logged on, I thought I'd clicked the wrong bookmark. It took me a second or two to realize that yes, I was actually at the Cellar, not SSCity.
So.
What I'm getting at, is... what are the chances that you can enable a couple of themes for us to choose from? I know it's possible, because (yet another) vBulletin forum I frequent has them enabled. It's not essential (and certainly it's not that I don't appreciate the changes and hard work put into them) but It would just be nice to have some way of instantly visually differentiating the different sites, so that with just a quick glance I can see which site I'm on.
It would be really awesome!
I'd like to second the 'themes, please'. This one feels very busy; there are lots of shades of blue, and they're drawing my eyes to fairly meaningless things, like the date instead of the person's name. I think the layout would be fine if the titlebars weren't dark, solid, and blue.
Not "options", you want "profile". Location is near the bottom of the profile page.
You could also hit "User CP" which still stands for "Control Panel". From there you get to a whole slew of things on the left, but "Edit Profile" gets it done.
Nope, even without a hangover. :greenface
OK so it looks like I have a bit more work to do. Yeah, I think different themes are a good thing and I'll work to make those available!
I have a feeling it was a lot more work and definitely more stress, than most of us can appreciate. Thanks, UT. :joylove:
The new upgrade looks very nice!
Good luck with it.
I have a feeling it was a lot more work and definitely more stress, than most of us can appreciate. Thanks, UT. :joylove:
same sentiment, without the sexual tension.
Gee, maybe you should get up before the crack of noon :)
TESTING: In linear display mode, I used the "quick reply" button in [post=111297]Perth's post[/post] to reply.
TESTING: In linear display mode, I used the "quick reply" button in [post=111297]Perth's post[/post] to reply.
i id the same to yours. why no quote in yours?
Let's be fair. It was 9:00 here. I mean, that's still appallingly late to sleep in, but in my defense, I stayed up far too late reading. :D
FAB, all newness and shiny as anything but my cat is demanding food so a good snoop around will have to wait for later. Catz rule here!
Is everyone using the quick reply? I'm using the post reply and don't get the red triangle to report bad posts in the upper right corner. :confused:
There might be some confusion provided by an advanced feature of the new board:
To illustrate, I replied to a post within this topic by using the "quick reply" button in [post=111297]Perth's post[/post]. The new feature I'm referring to allows one to reply not only to the topic itself but to any post within the topic (subThreading).
The problem becomes apparent when viewing the thread in different display modes. In hybrid or threaded mode, [post=111431]my test post[/post] shows up directly under Perth's post. I deliberatly wrote my post to only make sense if it was read immediatly after Perth's post to illustrate the problem.
Someone reading in linear display mode (the old Cellar was linear - all posts were sorted in chronological order) won't see my post immediately after Perth's post but not until much later (many intervening posts) and will not understand my post. Similarly, if someone reading Perth's post intends to reply to the topic itself (the only choice one had on the old Cellar), then someone reading in threaded display mode will see the post as a reply to Perth when it may integrate/address points made in posts that do not appear until much later in the view.
The quick reply button inside of each post creates a reply to that post (a subThread) instead of to the topic itself and I'm not sure everyone knows that. This new software makes it possible to create sophisticated subThreading within topics but after reading this topic in both modes, its obvious that some reply-to posts weren't replies to the post they are subThreaded under and some that are genuine subThread posts, when viewed in linear display mode are hard to understand since they are separated from their parent post by all the chronologically intervening replies.
In short, neither display mode solves the problem and that, imo, is the problem. One solution is to disable subThreading making it just like the old Cellar where all posts are always sorted chronologically. Another solution is to remove the quick reply button leaving only the quote button (also creates a subThread) to insure that a "reply-to" post always shows a quote of the message it is replying to. If nothing else, this would make everyone understand that they are creating a subthread and not making another general "stand-alone" post in the topic - retaining the text of the post being replied to would also solve the problem of not understanding the context of a subThread post while reading the topic in linear view.
Subthreading is a cool feature but only when posts land where they are supposed to and read in the correct order.
If you view the topic in threaded mode, and use the quick reply box at the bottom instead of the quote button within a post, you get a non-quoted reply. There are too many ways to reply to posts, imho, and they all behave very differently and create vastly different impressions (some create unintended subthreads, for example). A subthread post that doesn't quote the parent can be misinterpreted since the post shows up in different places depending on the display mode. Read this topic in threaded mode and again in linear mode and you will see what I mean.
:dead: RIP old Cellar format...
this will take some getting used to, but i think in the long run we'll all get used to it and come to love it as much as the old Cellar. the quick reply is nice, i haven't been all over to check out all the bells and whistles yet tho. dunno how much trouble this was for you UT, but keep up the good work!!
I made that decision - the software does let you deny "quick reply" to people unless they hit one of the quick-reply buttons.
If you don't hit the buttonk, it doesn't know how to thread your reply, which does break threaded mode, badly. But I felt like nobody would really USE threaded mode, and I felt it was a terrible user interface problem to give people the quick reply box without telling them they had to hit a button to use it. (An UNLABELED button at that!)
vB3 is full of user interface improvements but that one is a tiny step back. What do you think - will people use threaded mode? Is it useful?
vB3 is full of user interface improvements but that one is a tiny step back. What do you think - will people use threaded mode? Is it useful?
Threaded mode is great but, again, only when its used properly. The Cellar worked beautifully in linear mode and it may be that it should retain that restriction.
Just here, if I didn't know why you posted what you did, since your reply is not threaded under my initial post on the matter, it would be difficult to understand. And misunderstanding is a big enough problem without posts being out of their intended order. All sorts of unintended interpretations could result from the unexpected placement of a post.
I think linear always works because you can always quote the post you are replying to. Threaded mode is too easy to mess up by threading a reply that isn't supposed to be threaded and by not quoting a reply you mean to thread to but didn't. But this is a fairly big issue - I'm not trying to advocate as much as bring the issue to light. Personally, I like threading but, if I have a vote, I'd vote against it since its very difficult to manage properly (make sure that all posts end up exactly where they were meant to end up).
I find myself using the quick reply more often than not, and didn't even realize there was a linear/hybrid/thread mode option.
Beestie's post DID succeed in confusing the shit out of me.
I'm using linear, like the Old Cellar. It defaulted to that when I got here. Am I missing posts?
I wasn't even thinking of the notion of forcing threading to be the default view; I think that goes against what the Cellar really is, allowing conversations to meander wherever they will. But I can imagine people wanting to see a threaded view, of, say, Dodads.
BUT, that said, if Bruce wanted a full-out discussion of every single dodad he would have started a new thread for each one. The thread stands on its own.
For massive communities where they discuss specific topics, it's a good idea...
cant change my title?
This is fixed.
Linear works better when I'm not keeping up on a thread, which is getting harder to do these days. :)
many grassy ameobas sunyour
Also, your profile pic can be up to 500x500, why not.
Yeah, I really like that feature and see that a lot of folks have already added a pic to their profile. Its nice to get a bit of a visual on who you are replying to, and I must say we are a good looking bunch. Beauty and brains and off the wall posts - the Cellar has it all!
Linear works better when I'm not keeping up on a thread, which is getting harder to do these days.
Liar! Stop fibbing!
That's what happens when you get old...you can't keep up with the youngbloods. :)
Okay, we've been on the new version for a few days now...it's alright...the setup is like an invision board (which juju uses for hinterlands). It's just gonna take me some time to get used to.
This is fixed.
ok. so where is it?
Top left, User CP, Edit Profile, second box
not for me. my second box has birth date, home page, and icq/im fields.....no user title there
Doh you're a moderator. Different set of options.... try it now
I'm really impressed with our swishy new look!
A change is as good as a holiday!
Great work UT!
:eek: Interesting that i logged in yesterday , i was flaoting on the spring river here in arkansas drinking caronas and flirting with the drunk collage girls in bikinis :D :D
Slick interseting new interface and widgets , i will have to explore some befor i give an opinion
the vb site showed mouseover efffects (first few words of a post pop up when you mouse over a thread title.) ?
this appears to be working for threads created after the upgrade.
[Gollum]Ohhhh it burrrrrnnnnnsssssss[/Gollum] ... But don't mind me... I'll try to ignore it and concentrate on the functionality.
ok, so whilst reviewing a profile, i see "Group Memberships" X is not a member of any public groups.
what's that about?
Hey UT -- is it possible to set up a forum view that lists threads by date created instead of date-of-last-post? It would be nice for the IotD (and others too...)
Thanks much,
- Pie
Yeah, you people just keep on asking the hard questions.
I'll just point out that there are now about 100 new smilies to play with
:handball:
And some of them are hilarious
:rainfro:
:guinness:
more stuff i like:
there is now a preview option when editing a post ( an already posted post)
i love the wyswg controls (more like Word)
less clicking and hunting for features
the mouseover thing
stuff i'd change:
can you get the old colors back? the alternating grey and white, no fade in title bars, no title bar contrast per each post, etc?
I'm getting used to it. But the one thing that's still driving me nuts is I wish I could have the user name to the left of each post again instead of above it. It breaks up the flow for me otherwise. But otherwise it was a great upgrade, very smooth.
I'm getting used to it. But the one thing that's still driving me nuts is I wish I could have the user name to the left of each post again instead of above it. It breaks up the flow for me otherwise. But otherwise it was a great upgrade, very smooth.
Wheee !!!!
Yeah, I agree and now we have a day or so to really evaluate what people think. It can only be one or the other, no matter what happens with the overall style of the board.
Here's one vote for keeping them on the side. It really saves the scroll wheel.
absolutely the side. it's more better.
Very cool, guys.
So, does this mean an RSS feed for Image of the Day?
Seconded.
Turded , or is it thirded
Name stuff on the side is more better !!!
May i suggest going thru the smiles , there is a few dups . :para: :shotgun:
Also is it possible to sort the smiles ??
Intresting that you can attach more than one image , what is the size limit ???
:thumpsup: Over all i like the new stuff , still getting used to it though
Very cool, guys.
So, does this mean an RSS feed for Image of the Day?
:eek:
Juju!!!!
Welcome back! :grouphug:
And popcorn doesn't work right. :popcorn:
I'm not really back -- just checking out the new stuff.
HIJACK
how's the baby, juju?
HIJACK
Yeah, you people just keep on asking the hard questions.
So, does that mean it can't be done, it's hard to do but you're thinking about it, or that you don't want to do it?
Just wondering... :unsure:
- Pie
In the world of software, almost anything can be done! In this case the software doesn't support it though, and I have a bunch of other things I should be programming that would be even better.
Ok, I don't know how other folks are doing with this but ...
The new post list used to be sorted by most recent post at the top.
I liked this. It was orderly. It allowed me to start with the newest and work my way down to the oldest.
It seems now to be sorting in some other mysterious order, which is fine for the purposes of the first read through, but when you reload the page, if someone posts to a thread halfway down, it stays halfway down, rather than popping up to the top like a good little new post to grab my attention ...
P.S. I don't actually care whether you make any changes to that ... I"ll adapt. I'm a grown up.
Mostly.
:bawling:
Ok, I don't know how other folks are doing with this but ...
The new post list used to be sorted by most recent post at the top.
I liked this. It was orderly. It allowed me to start with the newest and work my way down to the oldest.
It seems now to be sorting in some other mysterious order, which is fine for the purposes of the first read through, but when you reload the page, if someone posts to a thread halfway down, it stays halfway down, rather than popping up to the top like a good little new post to grab my attention ...
you can change how your posts are displayed in the CP... options screen, under thread display options
Can I just add that I think the new-look revamped and revitalised Cellar is fresher and better than ever! We should look at targeting DINKY's and 18-30s! We should launch a global cross-media strategy! We should get on MTV!
[SIZE=1]I really can't wait to quit this job.[/SIZE]
HIJACK
how's the baby, juju?
HIJACK
Very happy and content, and extremely persistent with regard to exploring new things. Enforcing safe boundaries while still encouraging the exploratory spirit is quite a bit of work.
Can I just add that I think the new-look revamped and revitalised Cellar is fresher and better than ever! We should look at targeting DINKY's and 18-30s! We should launch a global cross-media strategy! We should get on MTV!
[SIZE=1]I really can't wait to quit this job.[/SIZE]
Just mention Generation X and you can go for the trifecta! :thepain:
Just mention Generation X and you can go for the trifecta! :thepain:
Bah! Marketers don't care about Generation X anymore. Too damn old.
[Cliff Clavin]The book, Generation X, came out in 1991, and described the lives of recent college graduates. Those graduates would be 37-38 now. That falls outside of the desirable demographic.[/Cliff Clavin]
I also happen to be 37, and the marketers are wise to ignore me. I spend about $5 a week on the stuff marketers care about, and I spend those $5 on brands I am loyal to. No wonder I think everything on TV is crap. They don't want me!
The new post list used to be sorted by most recent post at the top.
I liked this. It was orderly. It allowed me to start with the newest and work my way down to the oldest.
It seems now to be sorting in some other mysterious order, which is fine for the purposes of the first read through, but when you reload the page, if someone posts to a thread halfway down, it stays halfway down, rather than popping up to the top like a good little new post to grab my attention ...
I hit the "New Posts" link after making or reading a few posts, and it resorts them from newest to oldest.
UT, question:
Is the number of people viewing on the main page. Does that include people viewing the IOTD blog? or just people viewing the actual board?
Just curious . . .
[SIZE=1]edit: I'm just stoopid[/SIZE]
Yes, it does includes the blog view... the blog view actually contains pieces of the rest of the forum software, it's like reading a whole forum without the other bits of information. Right now for example there are about 40 guests and about a third of them are reading the iotd via the blog view.
i love the little box that allows for a reason for an edit to be listed. smart.
I like it!! More bells and whistles to play with...wheeeee! :thumpsup: :biggrin:
holy hell!
another cool new thingy: I use email notification to tell me when there is a new post in a thread i'm subscribed to. used to be that it just said" hey there's a new msg, go look" now, it says "hey there's a new message, and HERE IT IS!!" SMILIES AND ALL!
i guess that replying to that email won't get it onto the thread, but what a great click saving feature!
my mouse thanks you, UT
regarding the colors:
can you change the 'previously clicked link' color? it'sa really light periwinkle at the moment, and aside from making me feel gay by saying "periwinkle", they're kind of hard to read. hurry up. do it now. how about purple or crimson?
I'm going to listen to my 8 track tapes for a while to recover from this massive change.
What next, the sun rising from the west?? :eek: :( :worried:
Could we get the lovely old Cellar favicon back?
(I am liking this upgrade more and more :cool: ).
Oh yeah, the favicon! That's back. Still working on the cookies.
It shows up as an icon for any bookmarks you might have.
AUGH!!!
Ok.
So I clearly need to check in more often.
*clings to teddy bear*
*rocks back and forth*
scaaaaaary scaaaaaaary chaaaaange.. :eek3:
I have to say that I liked the old interface much better, but I'll survive.
I thought so too, at first, but it is starting to grow on me. Like a mold or a fungus, but still...
I must admit that I was a little thrown at first....I clearly have a conservative streak running right through my core, I dont like change ! .....That said I now think it was a really good idea....It's a little less friendly lookin' but it's a hell of a lot more userfriendly ..I 'specially like the New Post button