US Military Veterans

Quick facts on US military veterans:

26.4 military veterans in the US. 1 out of 8 civilians, 18 and older.
9.7 veterans age 65 or older.
57.4 is the median age of the nations veterans.
7 states have 1 million or more veterans.
......CA - 2.6 million
......FL - 1.9 million
......TX - 1.8 million
......PA - 1.3 million
......OH - 1.1 million
......IL - 1 million

Thanks, guys....and gals. :D

btw, this came from the UAW local 1069 newspaper.

Given the fact that most U.S. Veterans are against the war in Iraq and would support Kerry (A man who didn't dodge the draft, and who didn't use his daddy's influence to get out of Vietnam) over Bush who spent his time defending Texas from Oklahoma until he eventually deserted from even that, the odds are Kerry will win those states.

I doubt would be either a "given" or a "fact."

Ask 100 Vietnam combat vets whether or not they think we should be at war with Iraq and see what they say. I personally am a vet (not a vietnam vet or a combat vet) but I'm against it and so are the vast majority of all vets I know, especially those who have seen combat.

Here's a website, you might be interested in...

Veterans Against the Iraq War

A lack of facts never stopped him before.

See you, and raise you:

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/

http://www.vnsfvetakerry.com/

http://www.vetsagainstkerry.org/

http://vikingphoenix.com/e2004/vietnamvetsagainstkerry.htm

http://www.ussyorktown.com/yorktown/kerry.htm

I stopped after the first page of googled sites. You get the idea.

Actually, I give radar a certain amount of leeway, given that he is in California, and finding opinions that stray from the liberal party line, so to speak, is difficult.

Sorry, but most of the evidence I have is from actual Vets, all over America, not just in CA. And the vast majority of them are against the war in Iraq. And most will vote for Kerry even though they don't like him, because they can't stand Bush.

They will vote for the lesser of two evils, and that is Kerry.

http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=469

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org

http://www.vvaw.org

http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/001144.php

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=14067

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/03/27_vets.html

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles2/Gaiek_AgainstWar.htm

http://www.veteransforpeace.org

Even if you were right and every last one of Texas' 1.8 million veterans (I wonder if they count the homeless ones) supported Kerry... Kerry would still not win this state. Can't speak for the other states, but I live in the most liberal of Texas cities and I can still tell you that anti-Bush sentiment here is not what you wish it were.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Vets actually like Kerry, but they dislike Bush so much they'll vote for him anyway. And Texas is backwards in virtually all issues anyway. They are a non-factor. TX and much of the south will go to Bush as they tend to be poorly educated in the South, and NY, CA, IL, MA, FL, OR, WA, NH, etc. belong to Kerry.

Bush will get the states with very few electoral votes and lots of hicks and hillbillies, while Kerry will get the highly populated states with large cities.

Kerry will win NY, IL & CA for sure. That's 107 electoral votes alone. That's equal to TX, GA, VA, IN, MO, AL, MS, KS, and AK combined.

Kerry will carry the small northern states, and the Great Lake States too.

Here's how things currently stack up, and you can find a state by state discussion.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/election-test-fl.flash

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-polldatapage.htmlstory

Don't count your electoral votes before they are cast.

Bush better win AGAIN (I love saying that!), or the entire world will go to hell in a handbasket.

Just ask yourself... Who would the terrorists like to see as President? Vote the opposite. :D

Originally posted by rich2741
Just ask yourself... Who would the terrorists like to see as President? Vote the opposite. :D

The terrorists seem to like Dubya right now, so...

I didn't know trees could be so funny! :D

Originally posted by wolf
Don't count your electoral votes before they are cast.

Here's where I like to keep track.

Interesting stuff, HM. The one state that surprises me is my native Missouri. Plus 11 for Bush? Wow...Missouri is usually never that decisive.

Originally posted by rich2741
I didn't know trees could be so funny!

I am well-known for my sense of humor, though I was not trying to be intentionally funny in this case.

Originally posted by Happy Monkey
Here's where I like to keep track.

Polls don't vote.:p

Originally posted by rich2741
I didn't know trees could be so funny! :D

It's better to be a tree than a sap.:cool:

Ah, but sap can be boiled down to sweet syrup....with enough heat.;)

And the Dwellars of the Cellar are well known for being hot.

Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Polls don't vote.:p

Even down here where we have compulsory voting, the polls are frequently way out. People often give an emotional response to a pollster's question, but when the day actually comes to mark their ballot paper, they usually vote according to their heads, not their hearts (there will always be exceptions, of course).

Where is "down here?"

Australia :)

Originally posted by bluesdave

Even down here where we have compulsory voting, the polls are frequently way out. People often give an emotional response to a pollster's question, but when the day actually comes to mark their ballot paper, they usually vote according to their heads, not their hearts (there will always be exceptions, of course).

I think that's true here too. Some people are annoyed by pollsters who call on the phone or stop them on the street and lie or give off hand remarks.;)

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