Should lumberjim be booted from Cellar?

elSicomoro • May 20, 2004 1:14 pm
He really shouldn't make such suggestions...I'm curious to see where this goes...
DanaC • May 20, 2004 1:15 pm
I dont care what the poll does. Whatever the result Jim shouldnt go he is one of the people that makes this place fun
elSicomoro • May 20, 2004 1:18 pm
I find that he's one of the people that brings Cellar down, but I have a lot of unpopular opinions, so...
lumberjim • May 20, 2004 1:24 pm
interesting. does this mean i'm banned from YOUR kick ass "cyberbosque" board, too?
Clodfobble • May 20, 2004 1:26 pm
I find that he's one of the people that brings Cellar down, but I have a lot of unpopular opinions, so...

Soap operas like this are what brings the Cellar down. Is it just me or are the tiffs getting more frequent?
tw • May 20, 2004 1:36 pm
What a destrutive proposal! After all, we have all worked so hard to mold him into what we expect him to be. He is our Mona Liza - a trophy built and refined by the Cellar. Never throw out the good stuff.
blue58 • May 20, 2004 1:53 pm
If he goes I go.

What'd he do?
Clodfobble • May 20, 2004 1:56 pm
What'd he do?

Dagney won't say. Wants LJ to PM her and ask.
jdbutler • May 20, 2004 2:01 pm
Irreverance belongs here...I vote Nay!
elSicomoro • May 20, 2004 2:07 pm
Originally posted by lumberjim
interesting. does this mean i'm banned from YOUR kick ass "cyberbosque" board, too?


I don't have the ability to boot you off here, so why are you using the "too" part? You challenged someone to put a poll up, and here it is. I suspect that even if there were an overwhelming number of "Yes" votes, you would still not be banned. UT seems to have a high threshold for rule #3. I personally voted "Yes" out of spite, b/c I don't like you. But as a whole, you're tolerable, as is Radar. You're just another mouthbreather on the 'net...no big deal. Plus, I think it's important as a 1st Amendment supporter to support speech that you dislike.

And unless you violate the rules of the Bosque, you won't be banned from there.
Dagney • May 20, 2004 2:09 pm
Originally posted by Clodfobble
What'd he do?

Dagney won't say. Wants LJ to PM her and ask.


Which we all know will never happen, because if he's not the center of attention, he doesn't want it.

I know what he did to piss me off, and if he thinks about it, so does he. He's just not got the cajones to own up to it.
blue58 • May 20, 2004 2:11 pm
Uh, oh...I think the love is gone.

Read a few of the links. Seems a big fuss over nothing, Jesus if noone stirred the shit around here we might as well all log off and fucking knit or something.

LJ in my opinion likes to "stir the shit", tease, be a smartass..whatever you want to call it all in good fun. A very small number here seem to "stir the shit" because..well I guess they're just assholes.

HUGE difference there. Maybe others don't see it the same way...dry, tasteless humour, teasing, sarcasm, etc. doesn't come across very well in text. Don't worry LJ, I "get you".

Hey! Whaddya know...the love is back. :)
wolf • May 20, 2004 2:15 pm
I voted no because attrition is a natural process of The Cellar.

It's how it works.

LJ may be a primo shit-stirrer, however, he also has made some interesting things happen ... CMEP, teeshirts, etc.

It's not his fault that his personality has evolved like that because he hangs out with car salesmen ...
Happy Monkey • May 20, 2004 2:15 pm
Originally posted by Dagney
I know what he did to piss me off, and if he thinks about it, so does he. He's just not got the cajones to own up to it.
If there was any question as to Dagney's gender...
Beestie • May 20, 2004 2:24 pm
LJ asked for it - Syc is just obliging.

Should LJ get the boot? Good grief, NO.

Maybe, instead of things getting to this point, folks could consider using PM and email to do their laundry.
russotto • May 20, 2004 2:26 pm
Originally posted by tw
What a destrutive proposal! After all, we have all worked so hard to mold him into what we expect him to be. He is our Mona Liza - a trophy built and refined by the Cellar. Never throw out the good stuff.


Well I was going to say no, but tw's almost changed my mind.
lumberjim • May 20, 2004 2:30 pm
I really didn't ask for it.

i was challenging dagney's attack......sycamore starting it is not quite the same thing.......it was a bluff......i knew dagney would not actually start the poll.

syc, you don't like me? wow. i had no idea.

i thought we were kind of buddies. is it because i make you look bad all of the time? or just because I'm prettier?
lumberjim • May 20, 2004 2:39 pm
so... i actually DID want to know why dag was mad at me, and i sent her the pm she asked for.

i turns out that it was all a big misunderstanding.....like on three's company:

I had sent a msg to brian asking him to remind dagney to send a cd that she was late with.....upon the request of someone else...( just trying to help)....that msg went out shortly before or after i mentioned on the board that i was going to contact brian to ask his assistance in contacting her......her reply came hours later asking me not too, as their relationship was touchy at the time. ( first I heard of it) so, i said,"too late, he already has orders to goose you". JUST KIDDING AROUND...i like dagney, i like brian....i was being cute, blah blah blah.



she still wants me to "fuck off and die", though. oh well.
wolf • May 20, 2004 2:50 pm
Originally posted by lumberjim
so... i actually DID want to know why dag was mad at me, and i sent her the pm she asked for.


I suspect that her point in asking you to handle things in PM was NOT to spread her business far and wide. If she had wanted to do so, she would have.
jinx • May 20, 2004 2:52 pm
If she wanted it private, I imagine she would have kept it that way from the begining.
lumberjim • May 20, 2004 2:54 pm
wolf, i have not said anything on here that she hasn't.

as i said, the request came too late. i had no malicious intent. REALLY.

i'm a little miffed at sycamore now, but i still harbor no ill will toward anyone here including dagney.

i'm really not all that important. dag seems to have a problem with me being an attention whore. i cant say i blame her.


at least i know it.....and im funny.....


peace, everyone, peace.
Dagney • May 20, 2004 2:55 pm
Originally posted by wolf


I suspect that her point in asking you to handle things in PM was NOT to spread her business far and wide. If she had wanted to do so, she would have.


It's okay wolf - I'm okay with it - although I'd like to think that an adult wouldn't air dirty laundry just to make someone else look bad.

I do believe his direct quote was

"regardless, the cat is out of the bag now......but i dont think i'll fuck off and die. i think i'll make you look so bad that YOU fuck off. hMMM?"

Just says a whole lot for his maturity level.

I'm not sure if I should pity jinx, or make her a saint, for putting up with an asshat like him.
jinx • May 20, 2004 3:00 pm
Nah, for the most part, he puts up with me . I get nasty pms too.
Dagney • May 20, 2004 3:02 pm
Originally posted by jinx
Nah, for the most part, he puts up with me . I get nasty pms too.


I'm just going to ignore the 'too'.
lumberjim • May 20, 2004 3:19 pm
ok, dags, since the gloves are off, why didnt you include the WHOLE thing?

here it is:

remember these are in reverse order so start from the bottom and read up...

wow...see? you really should have done this in private to begin with. I had sent that message to brian hours before i knew that you two were having trouble. i could have clarified that easily with dates and times if you had mentioned it.

regardless, the cat is out of the bag now......but i dont think i'll fuck off and die. i think i'll make you look so bad that YOU fuck off. hMMM?


Dagney wrote on 05-20-2004 02:28 PM:
You insisted that Brian 'nag' me to send your stupid CD on to OC.
Putting stress on an already taxed relationship - that is quickly going downhill
I don't need his, or YOUR fucking nagging about it.
Your behavior annoys me, and has since you've come to the Cellar. I've tolerated it until now - but I've been steaming ever since you pulled that little trick....

Today, I've just had it with you, your shit, and your ilk.

So fuck off and die.




lumberjim wrote on 05-20-2004 02:25 PM:
I actually DO want to know.

I do not recall doing anything to you personally. or to brianR......or to anyone for that matter.

so what gives?
elSicomoro • May 20, 2004 3:24 pm
Jim, you:

a) don't know when to quit
b) refuse to quit, even though you know when to do so
c) are truly malicious
d) are some or all of the above

Now granted, maybe you're different, IRL. But I think you've shown enough of your true self here for me to say, "You know, that's not the kind of person I want to be buddies with."
jdbutler • May 20, 2004 3:25 pm
[SIZE=3] Time Out! Go to your rooms, both of you!:boxers:
Dagney • May 20, 2004 3:27 pm
why the fuck am I sitting here at work crying over something this trite?

OH yeah, just found out my mom is quite possibly dying because her chemo did not work, and I'm having to deal with this shit.

Thanksafuckinglot Jim.
lumberjim • May 20, 2004 3:33 pm
dagney i am sorry to hear about your mother.

as i said in the thread brian started asking us to send you good vibes, i hope it all turns out for the best for you. please don;t transfer your angst to me, though. i really didnt ask for it.

sorry you are upset. i wish i could help you with that.
Happy Monkey • May 20, 2004 3:34 pm
My sincere condolences.

But you probably shouldn't blame Jim for not knowing about Brian or your mother.
blue58 • May 20, 2004 3:35 pm
Just went through that with my wife's Mom Dag....it's hard, hope it works out ok...didn't in our case, but my wife took that family leave thing and spent every single last day with her...something to look into if you haven't considered it yet, she was SO glad she did.
lumberjim • May 20, 2004 3:39 pm
Originally posted by sycamore
Jim, you:

a) don't know when to quit
b) refuse to quit, even though you know when to do so
c) are truly malicious
d) are some or all of the above

Now granted, maybe you're different, IRL. But I think you've shown enough of your true self here for me to say, "You know, that's not the kind of person I want to be buddies with."


well, that's a shame. you can only take a joke when you;re not involved, it would seem.

YOU

BIG

BABY
elSicomoro • May 20, 2004 3:41 pm
I can take a joke just fine, thanks. There's plenty of evidence here to support that.

And hey, if calling me a big baby makes you feel better, have at it.
lumberjim • May 20, 2004 3:57 pm
Originally posted by sycamore
I can take a joke just fine, thanks. There's plenty of evidence here to support that.



yeah, like when dave joked about you being unemployed and you told HIM you weren't his friend anymore? I see.

yeah, you're cool. not.
elSicomoro • May 20, 2004 4:00 pm
Getting yourself ready for the Oscars, eh?
ladysycamore • May 20, 2004 4:04 pm
Originally posted by Happy Monkey
My sincere condolences.

But you probably shouldn't blame Jim for not knowing about Brian or your mother.


That's true, but didn't Brian say that Dagney need some vibes a couple of weeks ago? Never mind that we didn't know what for, but asking people for vibes is usually not about anything good.

Ah well.
OnyxCougar • May 20, 2004 4:05 pm
Originally posted by Dagney
why the fuck am I sitting here at work crying over something this trite?


[color=indigo]Because you're not crying over this bullshit. You're crying because you're sick, your mom is sick and because your marriage is under severe stress.

The problems are identified.

Your anger and frustration and fear and all the negative emotions are coming out at Jim because he's (unwittingly) done things that have added more stress to an already over-the-top situation.

Yes, Jim is a shit stirrer, yes he's juvenile sometimes, but sweetie, he is not the cause of your problems.

Get off the cellar and go to the bathroom and cry. Don't feed into the shitstorm right now.

PM me any instant messenger details (or email) and we'll talk privately. OK?
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staceyv • May 20, 2004 4:13 pm
i love your choice of words there!!!!
"shitstirrer"
maybe we could implant that next to his screen name?? UT?
Tomas Rueda • May 20, 2004 4:14 pm
I really should not disturb this site;

My heart and most deep condolences go to Dagney, Hope things turn for the better.
xoxoxoBruce • May 20, 2004 6:24 pm
Should lumberjim be booted from Cellar?
No, and nobody else either.
Listen up folks, I’m only going through this one time. This is the fucking internet! It is escapism, as much as TV, or movies, or books, or a hobby. It is not reality, it is not your real life, this is “Cheers”. Stop in for a drink and laugh at the locals, or lurk at a side table. If someone is willing, you can discuss something trivial or serious. You can ask advice, bitch about life, rave about the Yankees or decry the decline of western civilization. Stop in for a quickie or tie one on till last call. Remember to tip your bartender.
You’re here to be entertained or in some cases to entertain, so there’s no need to be hostile. You get plenty of that in the real world that’s waiting outside the Cellar. If you stop in, and find your not in the mood, go home. That way you’ll always be welcome back.:violin:

OK, I've said my piece. If you don't agree, fuck ya, ya moron.:haha: :haha:
blue58 • May 20, 2004 6:53 pm
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
No, and nobody else either.
Listen up folks,


HOLY CRAP....that's what I was trying to say.

You're so fucking eloquent Bruce.

Brian say that Dagney need some vibes


See, this vibe, bitchy, we need to get along crap really torques me the wrong way.

Shut up, fuck off, go away...doesn't seem to work with the twits...they just keep hangin on, so I think UT needs to put xoxoBruce and Slang in charge of cybersecurity.

I'll be backup...in the corner with Wolf....one of us will be subduing the other, but available if needed.
Undertoad • May 20, 2004 7:17 pm
They ARE in charge, they just don't know it yet
Skunks • May 20, 2004 7:47 pm
Apparently, nobody learned with the dave nonsense how much this shit sucks.

Seriously. Hardly any time has passed since the last bit of needless melodrama: I see the same cage of baboons. Normally they just play frisbee with their feces, but today they're waging cagal thermoshitular war. Shit is graffitied on the wall, crude drawings in excrement. Stool for breakfast, lunch, and dinner: forced on young and innocent passersby, or sold for a buck fifty at the Café de Merde.

In the end, you'll have done amazing things with ordure, but it's still a lot of crap. You smell funny, and after you shower you're back where you started. At best, one or two of the people with weak noses have been chased off, but what sort of progress is that?


Ahem.

(I guess I took too long typing, but I'm too proud of my scheisse to throw it away now.)
marichiko • May 20, 2004 8:30 pm
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
No, and nobody else either.
Listen up folks, I’m only going through this one time. This is the fucking internet! It is escapism, as much as TV, or movies, or books, or a hobby. It is not reality, it is not your real life, this is “Cheers”. Stop in for a drink and laugh at the locals, or lurk at a side table. If someone is willing, you can discuss something trivial or serious. You can ask advice, bitch about life, rave about the Yankees or decry the decline of western civilization. Stop in for a quickie or tie one on till last call. Remember to tip your bartender.
You’re here to be entertained or in some cases to entertain, so there’s no need to be hostile. You get plenty of that in the real world that’s waiting outside the Cellar. If you stop in, and find your not in the mood, go home. That way you’ll always be welcome back.:violin:

OK, I've said my piece. If you don't agree, fuck ya, ya moron.:haha: :haha:


:thumb:

Love ya, Bruce! I'd be stranded with you on a desert island any day!
lumberjim • May 20, 2004 8:55 pm
egardless, the cat is out of the bag now......but i dont think i'll fuck off and die. i think i'll make you look so bad that YOU fuck off. hMMM?



Dag,

I said this when I was pissed. Sorry. I really won't do anything to purposefully make you look bad. That's not me. Seriously. I fuck around a lot, but that kind of thing is malicious, nonproductive, and unfunny.

To be clear, this is not a request for an apology on your part. Hate on. Nor is it an apology for the rest of my posts. I just want to assure you that I will not give you any more shit than I give anyone else. I plan to behave as if this day did not happen.

sycamore however, can kiss my ass...... I have a step stool if he can't reach, and a whole day off tomorrow.


[SIZE=1]edit: to point out the utter lack of smilies.[/SIZE]
elSicomoro • May 20, 2004 9:14 pm
Originally posted by lumberjim
sycamore however, can kiss my ass...... I have a step stool if he can't reach, and a whole day off tomorrow.


[SIZE=1]edit: to point out the utter lack of smilies.[/SIZE]


Blah blah blah...you done yet, charlatan?
vsp • May 20, 2004 9:23 pm
Hey, kids?

Kids?

Image
Sun_Sparkz • May 20, 2004 10:18 pm
Obviously there has been a misunderstanding, both parties need to accept that it was such and get over it.

Telling someone that you are going to make them look bad is admittedly nasty, but so is telling someone to fuck off and die!

Life is too short people!

Dagney I'm sorry to hear about your mum, and your relationship problems, All the best to you and your happiness.

LJ - You step on toes but that is something that makes you, you. DON"T CHANGE! I think your great!!
BrianR • May 20, 2004 11:12 pm
Geez...step away for a few hours and look what happens!

I'm staying OUT of this one.

Brian "mumbles something about flame-retardant underwear"
lumberjim • May 21, 2004 12:49 am
Originally posted by sycamore


Blah blah blah...you done yet, charlatan?


not really. Although i'm sure every one else is sick of this by now, I want to say a couple of things, and then i'll leave it alone if you like.

I can't see any benefit in trading insults with you. It's all kind of meaningless. So you don't like me. I can accept that. I think normally that might bother me more, but since the only wrongs I've done you were to trade insults and wise cracks, i can't really have any remorse over your dislike. I tried to be friendly to you from the start because I thought that you were funny and relatively cool. I endured your sarcastic barbs in good fun, and fired back in kind. I should have seen from your reactions to similar situations in the past that there is a time limit to that kind of thing with you. Don't know why I thought it would be any differerent for me.

Live and learn. It appears that the honeymoon is over. Although you don't like me, I don't see any reason for us to bicker as enemies would. Why don't we agree to be frenemies?




as for the rest of you:

to those of you that have voiced support and sent pm's of support, thank you. I think of you as my friends. i think this is all very stupid. I will be here as long as i enjoy it. as should everyone. polarization like this is senseless.

let's just talk shit, and make fun, and have a fine time. All of this contention is killing my buzz.

syc, dagney, go ahead and hate me. thanks for being honest about it at least.
elSicomoro • May 21, 2004 1:20 am
There you go again...playing the "wounded hero"...throwing in a few barbs for good measure. Then you top it off by wanting to call a truce and encouraging me to hate you. This is what I'm talking about...you don't know when to quit.

I have no intention of changing my current routine. It's worked pretty well for me, and no one has bitched about it, so...like Will Rogers said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
lumberjim • May 21, 2004 1:45 am
i wasn't encouraging you to hate me. i was saying that there's nothing i can do about it, so go ahead. and i am not trying to play wounded hero, either. I am simply saying that your dislike is founded in your own reasons. I treated you as a friend. yeah, we took shots back and forth, but i never intended any serious personal insult. You say your routine has worked well so far, and it aint broke. Let me remind you of your history that I was here for.

When I came on, you were buddies with dave and tony. you did things together IRL a time or two, even. You had the manifestos going strong, and the peolpe here enjoyed them.

then you and dave had your spat, and you turned a cold shoulder to him. he left. -1 friend

then i reminded people of dave, UT got bent then you got bent at UT and closed up the manifestos. -1 friend

Now, you butt into an argument that does not involve you, and post a poll to oust me. then you say "i voted "yes" out of spite because I don;t like you. -1 friend.

at this rate, your routine will have you fresh out of friends. You may want to consider taking a look at it objectively.

I know that you'll probably say that I caused both of those rifts, but I think we both know I was no more than a catalyst. Neither of those occurences were my intent.

I am glad that this thread came to be. It has opened my eyes in a couple of ways.
marichiko • May 21, 2004 2:26 am
I have been staying out of this until now, but enough is enough, already.

1) For the record, I think LJ is just fine. His posts are amusing and often witty. He doesn't put people down the way some who post to this board do. If you have no sense of humor or you're not smart enough to pick up on a joke, just ignore LJ's posts. I, for one, enjoy reading them, if YOU don't, don't.

2) If you have a problem with somebody, and this goes for the real world as well as cyberspace, tell it to them; not the world. Making a private peeve public is a tactic we should all have left behind on the 3rd grade playground.

3) If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. I got into a big fight with just about everyone on this board when I first starting posting here, in part because I was new and didn't know who I was posting to and in part because I was running a fever of 100 degrees and what little rationality I might ever command normally had deserted me. I got over it. So can anyone else.

4) The Cellar can either choose to be an old boys' club made up of the individuals who first started it, or it can be as it is now, a pretty open, free-wheeling, site that gets posts from all over the world; not just Philadelphia. The choice is yours. Frankly, I'm surprised that the powers that be didn't quash this thread for the spam that it is.
xoxoxoBruce • May 21, 2004 4:16 am
Cowgirl, that's because "The powers that be" are even cooler than you can imagine.:D

And Syc, I'm still your friend, but that's probably just for the great sex.:joylove:
elSicomoro • May 21, 2004 8:26 am
And Jim still...doesn't...know...when...to quit...

Originally posted by lumberjim
then you and dave had your spat, and you turned a cold shoulder to him. he left.


I fully explained here why I had enough of Dave. The thread that contained that explanation has since been deleted. He left of his own choosing...quit trying to flog a dead horse.

then i reminded people of dave, UT got bent then you got bent at UT and closed up the manifestos.


UT and I have since made peace. And the Manifestos still exist--just not here.

Now, you butt into an argument that does not involve you, and post a poll to oust me. then you say "i voted "yes" out of spite because I don;t like you.


As I see it, the argument involved everybody b/c it was out there for the world to see. You asked for that poll, and you got it. I don't care if you expected Dagney to do it or whatever...ask and ye shall receive. Like I said before, I didn't think you'd get the boot even if there were strong support for it.

at this rate, your routine will have you fresh out of friends. You may want to consider taking a look at it objectively.


I'm by no means a perfect person, and am more than willing to admit my mistakes. In hindsight, I should have made my thoughts and feelings more clear to people. For example, when I came to the conclusion that you were a rabblerouser, I should have said so. And when UT deleted my threads in the Manifestos, I should have said, "What the fuck are you doing to my Manifestos?" And when Dave started getting out of line, I should have said, "Yo, cool it." But I didn't...*shrugs* You live, you learn.

If I make friends while I'm posting here, that's great. If I don't, *shrugs*, I don't. It's really not a big deal. I don't come here for IotD, I don't come here for you...I just enjoy coming here and shooting the breeze.

If people think you're the bee's knees, great. I don't--I think you're a rabblerouser and troublemaker. (Not to mention, you've tried to pull Daves in your last 2 posts--no way I can respect you now.) I probably should have said that months ago, but I didn't. My bad.

Now, are you finally done with this shit? Jesus Christ...
hollyoake • May 21, 2004 8:36 am
hey vsp, i have one like that!

i have enjoyed reading all this! but agree that it is best left on the playground...
blue58 • May 21, 2004 8:44 am
LJ, dude...it's looking good. So far 23 people think you're the bee's knees!

And only 4 dislike you...keeping in mind one is Dagney who you pissed off, and one being Sycamore...which is to be expected, don't think he even likes himself and who can blame him?

Wonder who the other 2 votes were from?

Must admit that deep down I was curious to see what would have happened had things gone badly. I don't want you to leave, but I bet Jimland woulda been way cool. :)
jdbutler • May 21, 2004 8:46 am
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sun_Sparkz
[B]
Telling someone that you are going to make them look bad is admittedly nasty, but so is telling someone to fuck off and die!

Life is too short people!

"Short people have...no reason, Short people have...no reason"
Randy Newman
Undertoad • May 21, 2004 8:58 am
If things had gone badly there would have been no change. It's the usual drama and I hope you kids feel better for having blown off some steam. Back to the boards!
elSicomoro • May 21, 2004 9:39 am
Originally posted by blue58
Sycamore...which is to be expected, don't think he even likes himself and who can blame him?


Yeah, my nuts.
Happy Monkey • May 21, 2004 10:23 am
Most men like their nuts, at least.
elSicomoro • May 21, 2004 10:27 am
You know, I could do without 'em. I don't really need them, since I'm not having kids, and I can get testosterone shots to make up for the lack of it. Plus, if you get kicked hard enough in that area, you can die. Fuck that.
Happy Monkey • May 21, 2004 10:29 am
I hate shots. :worried:
elSicomoro • May 21, 2004 10:35 am
I don't like shots either, but if it were a weekly one, I could handle that.
jdbutler • May 21, 2004 10:41 am
Originally posted by sycamore
Plus, if you get kicked hard enough in that area, you can die. Fuck that.


Just visualizing that is enough to give you a
"Migroine" The intense pain experienced by receiving a swift kick to the crotch. Oops, sorry, wrong thread:rolleyes:
lumberjim • May 21, 2004 10:50 am
Originally posted by sycamore
And Jim still...doesn't...know...when...to quit...

~snip~

Now, are you finally done with this shit? Jesus Christ...


stop with the "you don;t know when to quit" shit already. If I have something to say to you, you'll listen, bitch :). Who the hell are you to say when I should quit. You don't want to talk about this anymore because it makes you look like a spiteful prick. Yesterday I was generally surprised and mildly annoyed by you and dagney. Today, after sleeping on it. I am not mad at dagney at all, but I am kind of fucked off at you still.

I'm a pretty goofy, non serious person for the most part. I enjoy joking around more than arguing politics. This does not mean that I can't be serious, though. It does not mean that I can't be offended. Your stepping into this matter and starting that poll, and saying the things you did about, and to me directly open a whole can of worms that I don't think you can handle. You want to be enemies with me? fine. You can't accept the truce, fine. you want me to shut about this? nope. Plan to be reminded of it on a regular basis. You don't like me? Good. Fuck you , sycamore. Fuuuuuuuuuck yooooouuu.

ok, now I'm done.....go ahead and take the last word, Terry. You're dead to me. well, not dead......but in a coma at least.

SORRY EVERYONE!
elSicomoro • May 21, 2004 11:17 am
Originally posted by lumberjim
stop with the "you don;t know when to quit" shit already.


If I want to call a spade a spade, I will certainly do so.

Who the hell are you to say when I should quit.


I don't need any permission or authority to tell you when you should quit. If you don't want to listen to me, then don't. If you don't like what I'm saying, oh well. I ain't losing sleep over it.

You don't want to talk about this anymore because it makes you look like a spiteful prick.


No, I'm just tired of hearing your diarrhea mouth. But as I said before, you're tolerable. If I look like a spiteful prick to some, then I do. But I'm sure some will see me as the person who was willing to stand up to you and call you out.

When will you finally understand that I don't give a fuck what you or anyone else thinks of me?

Your stepping into this matter and starting that poll, and saying the things you did about, and to me directly open a whole can of worms that I don't think you can handle.


First of all, you ain't nothing I haven't dealt with before. Get over yourself. Secondly, you opened the can of worms. Don't blame me for your fuck-up. Jesus, accept some responsibility for once!

want me to shut about this? nope. Plan to be reminded of it on a regular basis. You don't like me? Good. Fuck you , sycamore. Fuuuuuuuuuck yooooouuu.


Whatever, stupid.
Beestie • May 21, 2004 11:32 am
Originally posted by blue58
...Wonder who the other 2 votes were from?
jinx voted twice :)
wolf • May 21, 2004 11:39 am
This needs to become a tagline:

sold for a buck fifty at the Café de Merde
jinx • May 21, 2004 1:10 pm
Originally posted by sycamore


If I look like a spiteful prick to some, then I do. But I'm sure some will see me as the person who was willing to stand up to you and call you out.


Call him out? Call him out?? Is that what you're doing here, seriously? Damn, I've been trying unsuccessfully for years to get Jim into a fight, just so I could watch.... and here you go volunteering.
So when are you coming over man? I'll make lunch.
lumberjim • May 21, 2004 1:15 pm
she's not kidding. she pushed a drunk guy down the steps in the 700 level of the vet once. He kept stepping on her feet, and falling into her.

It was the halloween game vs. dallas, where emmitt ran 250+ yds in the rain. awesome. We had the very last seats in the house, and the only shelter from the rain above the boxes.
ladysycamore • May 21, 2004 3:57 pm
Originally posted by lumberjim
she's not kidding. she pushed a drunk guy down the steps in the 700 level of the vet once. He kept stepping on her feet, and falling into her.

It was the halloween game vs. dallas, where emmitt ran 250+ yds in the rain. awesome. We had the very last seats in the house, and the only shelter from the rain above the boxes.


So I take it that you know your place then? (j/K!) :p

700 level? Isn't that where the drunkards hung out at the Vet? Argh, don't get me started on drunk Philly fans...

Maybe jinx should have my title under her name too:

"The bitch ain't playin'!!!" ;)
ThreadHijackMan • May 22, 2004 2:18 am
So...................How's everyone been getting along here for the last few months??
lumberjim • May 22, 2004 2:38 pm
thm, you' are losing your touch. used to be, when trouble reared its ugly head, if danger was near, if someone was tied to the track, you were there. I remember those days. ahhhhh...... it seems so long ago now. well....better late than never.

to answer your question, we've been getting along famously. Thursday was a little spotty, and part of Friday, but for the most part, I'd have to say that the love is boundless.

say hi to Donovan McNadds and Kofi for me.

The CIA sends their love.
xoxoxoBruce • May 22, 2004 2:42 pm
Originally posted by ThreadHijackMan
So...................How's everyone been getting along here for the last few months??

Welcome back my friend, to the show that never ends.:band:
ThreadHijackMan • May 22, 2004 4:03 pm
Originally posted by lumberjim
thm, you' are losing your touch. used to be, when trouble reared its ugly head, if danger was near, if someone was tied to the track, you were there.


Looks like the Cellar has expanded so much in the past 6 months that being a super hero asshat would now be a full time job.

Even THM has non-cellar things to do.
God • May 22, 2004 4:07 pm
Originally posted by lumberjim
say hi to Donovan McNadds and Kofi for me.
The CIA sends their love.


Doesnt anyone care about God anymore!!?? Jesus fucking Christ!!
lumberjim • May 22, 2004 4:11 pm
wow. i forgot GOD. good thing you still like me, slang. You could have voted me off of here all by your self!
blue58 • May 22, 2004 4:11 pm
Originally posted by ThreadHijackMan


Looks like the Cellar has expanded so much in the past 6 months that being a super hero asshat would now be a full time job.

Even THM has non-cellar things to do.


Wait?...wasn't that why we went out and got LJ? You do get paid tho right? Shit don't tell me you're an amateur?!?!
ThreadHijackMan • May 22, 2004 11:15 pm
Originally posted by blue58
Wait?...wasn't that why we went out and got LJ? You do get paid tho right? Shit don't tell me you're an amateur?!?!


We were lucky* enough to have LJ wander here himself without searching the world over.

I dont get paid, this service** is totally free. And THM is indeed an amature but that doesnt mean you should try this at home.


* - lucky/unlucky, you decide

** - service/annoyance, you decide
slang • May 22, 2004 11:23 pm
Originally posted by lumberjim
You could have voted me off of here all by your self!


I only did that once just to harrass my friend Sycamore. But yes you are correct, I can * alter an election better than Jeb and the Daleys combined.


* - Until and unless UT decides to work his own style of techno magic.
farfromhome • May 23, 2004 1:34 am
Am I the only one who thinks this is some type of charade?Theres a pretty good sized stage here.And I think that a couple of willing charcter acters named "cough" LJ and Syc might be acting out a drama.As some sort of experiment.Off course ,I could be wrong, Still....
elSicomoro • May 23, 2004 1:40 am
Originally posted by farfromhome
Off course ,I could be wrong


Interesting thought, but you're definitely wrong. :)
lumberjim • May 23, 2004 9:54 am
Originally posted by sycamore


Interesting thought, but you're definitely wrong. :)


yeah, it's true, farfromhome, it's no act. I am tired of it already though. This is much more fun when we seem to get along, but have a thinly veiled animosity toward one another, syc. I've taken a couple shots at you since this bullshit, and where they would have been pretty funny before, now they just seem bitter and mean.

well, i guess i'll just have to work through it. I'm for damnsure not going to avoid you. Nor am I about to be overly polite to you and treat you like an adult. I think it's important that you do the same, too. I'm not going to turn any little barbs into flame fests. I think people like a touch of that, but get sick of it after not very long. So, if you insist on "disliking" me officially, that's cool. But, at least in practice, let's not hold back OR go overboard.

*extends hand* shake?
jaguar • May 23, 2004 10:03 am
LJ generally I think you`re cool by me but what in fuck`s name posessed you to start this thread?
DanaC • May 23, 2004 10:04 am
He didnt
lumberjim • May 23, 2004 10:05 am
sycamore started this thread jag. I think it sucks.
jaguar • May 23, 2004 10:06 am
I was thinking of the dagney is cheesed at LJ thread, my bad. They blurred into onle large pile of deep crapness.
lumberjim • May 23, 2004 10:10 am
oh, i started that one so that we wouldnt ruin bruce's dodads thread, which is where the attack began.
jaguar • May 23, 2004 10:13 am
Can always ask UT to split the thread, moving arguments usually doesn`t work, you just loose the.....feel ;)
elSicomoro • May 23, 2004 5:39 pm
Originally posted by lumberjim
yeah, it's true, farfromhome, it's no act. I am tired of it already though. This is much more fun when we seem to get along, but have a thinly veiled animosity toward one another, syc. I've taken a couple shots at you since this bullshit, and where they would have been pretty funny before, now they just seem bitter and mean.

well, i guess i'll just have to work through it. I'm for damnsure not going to avoid you. Nor am I about to be overly polite to you and treat you like an adult. I think it's important that you do the same, too. I'm not going to turn any little barbs into flame fests. I think people like a touch of that, but get sick of it after not very long. So, if you insist on "disliking" me officially, that's cool. But, at least in practice, let's not hold back OR go overboard.

*extends hand* shake?


The problem here, Jim, is that I don't trust you. You started a round of name-calling, pulled a couple of Dave-like stunts and made a veiled threat. Not to mention, some of your past behavior and what you said to Dagney the other day are very concerning. At least you owned up to your comments to Dagney.

Your future actions and time will tell whether I decide to deal with you in a more normal manner again. We shall see...
lumberjim • May 23, 2004 6:04 pm
Originally posted by sycamore


The problem here, Jim, is that I don't trust you. You started a round of name-calling, pulled a couple of Dave-like stunts and made a veiled threat. Not to mention, some of your past behavior and what you said to Dagney the other day are very concerning. At least you owned up to your comments to Dagney.

Your future actions and time will tell whether I decide to deal with you in a more normal manner again. We shall see...


wow. your reality is pretty subjective.

I started a round of name calling? As I remember it, I was minding my own business, razzing ZippyfrigginT,and Dagney came flying at me out of nowhere, for imagined reasons. Then she starts saying i don't have the knuts to ask her in private why she did it? fuckin crazy if you ask me. Of course I was taken aback. Then, out of nowhere YOU start the poll. As far as I knew, we were cool. And YOU don't trust ME? You goddamn backstabbing bitch. And what veiled threat did you imagine? I think you were the one "calling ME out"

My past behavior? In the past I've done things to foster more activity on this board. More involvement. I've laid my life open and shared it with everyone here. I'd say if anyone can be trusted, it's me. You all know where to find me. You can't even be man enough to respect two offers of truce. You bitter little weenie.

For the record, I want it know by the folks who have not had the extreme dissappointment of meeting you in person that, contrary to your online persona, you are a short, fat little nerd who won't look a person in the eye when you talk to them. I think that says a lot about a person. You have beadie eyes, too. you did this same shit with Dave. I tried then to get you to let him up. I had him ready to accept an offer of truce. you just pulled the big momma's boy routine, and iced him.

You are the biggest pussy I know. I can't believe I'm this pissed off over a scumbag like you. You can forget the offer of truce. my enemy.
lumberjim • May 23, 2004 6:07 pm
Originally posted by sycamore


Your future actions and time will tell whether I decide to deal with you in a more normal manner again. We shall see...


you magnanimous cunt. don't bother.
DanaC • May 23, 2004 6:08 pm
*opens mouth to say something......reconsiders and slowly backs out of the thread*
elSicomoro • May 23, 2004 6:09 pm
Oooooookay.
lumberjim • May 23, 2004 8:58 pm
Originally posted by DanaC
*opens mouth to say something......reconsiders and slowly backs out of the thread*


i wish you wouldn't. I'm pretty sure I will look back on that last post one day, and see it as being over the top. like tomorrow, maybe. Still looks just about right to me now. Probably could have done with less name calling, and the bit about him being a twerp in real life.

Maybe I do need a time out. Or maybe I'lll just close every post with "Screw you, sycamore" for a week or two until I feel better.There's no good reason for me to get angry at someone for some shit they said on a computer screen. Goddamn.

again, sorry everyone else, for losing my cool.

Screw you, sycamore.
Troubleshooter • May 23, 2004 9:14 pm
Miss a week and look at what you come back to...
farfromhome • May 23, 2004 10:43 pm
Damn,I'm upset.
I've only been here a short time. I don't even remember who Jim was arguing with,Going back a few months ago....But I was amazed.As someone who likes to think that they can put some coherent thoughts together,I saw Jim bounce back off the canvas swinging.Deal the knockout blow.And I said Damn...!And I laughed my ass off in a way that I haven't in quite a while.And vowed not to get into a war of words with LJ.
I'm a newbie.I thought you guys were tight.Phillie guys.
My take is this:I suspect Jim feels betrayed.And I don't blame him.When I saw the Poll I laughed.I thought Syc was advancing the humor to a higher level.Now I'm kind of bummed.This sucks.Sycamore I respect your intelligence.But I think you blindsided Jim.Especially when he was already trying to make things right with Dagney.And that is my unrequested opinon.Peace,please brothers.Theres too much hate in this world.
blue58 • May 23, 2004 10:52 pm
Originally posted by DanaC
*opens mouth to say something......reconsiders and slowly backs out of the thread*


My thoughts exactly. Although I'd like to state that LJ is here posting a LOT, and generally trying to lighten the place up.

Sycamore on the other hand has been around a lot longer but just seems to get off arguing and being a dick to everybody but ladysyc lately.
lumberjim • May 24, 2004 1:13 am
Hey look, OC, Sycamore found another one of my "asshole buttons"! it was a big one, too.
hollyoake • May 24, 2004 4:24 am
:boxers: :haha: :haha: :haha:

this thread cracks me up!
DanaC • May 24, 2004 5:08 am
I think it'd be great if you two didnt post at each other for a while :) Difficult not to when someone is pushing your buttons, I realise that. But ye know....think of the children yah
xoxoxoBruce • May 24, 2004 8:04 am
Goddamnit, don't start with that "for the children" crap.:p
OnyxCougar • May 24, 2004 12:54 pm
[COLOR=indigo]I see that, Jimbo. And I'm not going to get into the middle of it. Discretion being the better part of valor, and all that. [/COLOR]
elSicomoro • May 24, 2004 1:42 pm
Isn’t perception a strange thing? One person sees something one way, while another person sees it in a totally different light.

As el sicómoro sees it, this is much ado about nothing. I completely take blame for not being more upfront with Jim, but this is just a message board. It’s not like we were really good friends or anything. Seriously.

It seems to me that Jim can’t handle honesty. This whole poll was a joke, done on a dare that he made. I haven’t tried to press any buttons with him at all (me offering Radar Kool-Aid…THAT’S pushing buttons), and I’ve been pretty straightforward with him since this shit started. But there he is, damned near calling me every name in the book, as well as insulting my physical appearance. It’s hard to tell with the written word, but some of his recent posts to me sound like he’s foaming at the mouth.

Interesting parallel: A while back, Blue58 had some sort of issue with me—IIRC, he was not fond of my sense of humor. We made peace about a month ago, and I thought everything was cool. Then I read one of his posts the other day where he says I’m kind of a dick…now here, he’s says I seem to get off on arguing and being a dick. I was surprised, but...*shrugs* No biggie.

I’ve been on this board for over 3 years now, and in that time, there have only been a handful of people that I can say I really didn’t like at one time or another: Dave, Radar, Undertoad and Jim. Just because I don’t like someone doesn’t mean I can’t get along with them though—being civil rocks. But based on Jim’s tirade last night, it’s not really worth it for me to deal with him right now. I could certainly understand him being a bit miffed, but what he did last night was completely uncalled for.

Some of you might recall a particularly ugly incident that occurred about 3 months ago. I think a lot of that was ego and overreaction, but it taught me something very very important—don’t sweat online forums too hard. Bruce had said it before as well as vsp. It took a while, but it finally sunk in...I’m hardheaded like that. :)

I enjoy coming to Cellar and shooting the breeze and meeting new people. If I make some new friends, that’s great. There are several people on here that I consider friends. If I had a problem with one of those folks, I’d be sure to actually talk it out with them off the board. But if I don’t make any new friends, it’s cool. You can't make friends with everyone.

My $0.05...
jaguar • May 24, 2004 2:24 pm
This place only works when everyone is civil, when they`re not, it end up like a bunch of teenaged girls having a bitchfight in a matter of seconds. THe problem with the net (as the esteemed penny arcade pointed out recently) that normal people suddenly feel like expressing their inner asshole, just pretend it`s in person and we`ll all get along better.

If you`re wondering, I actually do do that, I`m just an abrasive person.
lumberjim • May 24, 2004 2:39 pm
i'm going to reply to that, but not until i've thought it through a few more times. i regret saying what I said about sycamore's real live persona, and I want to be more careful this time.
jinx • May 24, 2004 3:11 pm
::sigh:: Please don't. Really. There is nothing to be solved with it and it's just annoying at this point.

Sycamore, I'm sorry you felt threatened by my offer of lunch. I was really just mocking the tough guy routine... wasn't even going to actually cook anything....
ladysycamore • May 24, 2004 5:33 pm
Originally posted by jinx
::sigh:: Please don't. Really. There is nothing to be solved with it and it's just annoying at this point.


Agreed. Plus, there are more important things to be mad about...like it being goddamned hot here and those nasty cicadas haven't come yet! :angry:

*juuuust kidding around folks*

:D
lumberjim • May 24, 2004 5:59 pm
Yeah,

it's all good. party on sycamore.
elSicomoro • May 24, 2004 10:55 pm
For the record, I started the name-calling by calling Jim a "mouthbreather." That was uncool, and I apologize.
xoxoxoBruce • May 24, 2004 10:58 pm
Oh, oh, I can't wait for the make up sex.:joylove:
elSicomoro • May 24, 2004 11:19 pm
"Let's not go sucking each other's dicks just yet."

Just admitting fault where necessary...
slang • May 25, 2004 4:37 am
( slang notes to self that the term "mouthbreather" is actually an insult and not some type of strange compliment )
Elspode • May 25, 2004 9:41 am
{derail}Sooo....everyone got big Memorial Day weekend plans?{/derail}
Happy Monkey • May 25, 2004 10:16 am
My sister's graduating from MIT the following weekend, so I'm taking the week off.
hollyoake • May 25, 2004 10:24 am
well done to your sister!!:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
perth • May 25, 2004 10:32 am
I've got my son for the weekend, and I'm thinking about taking him to the Zoo. We have a really neat one down here in the Springs. They have a giraffe habitat where you can stand on this balcony and actually feed em. I had never really thought much of giraffes until one was staring me in the face trying to get ahold a cracker. They really are very pretty animals.
wolf • May 25, 2004 11:05 am
The Cherokee Nation PowWow is being held this weekend at Temple University Ambler Campus. I'm going!!

I'm close enough (three miles) that I usually go for two out of the three days, once for the trading (usually involving green pieces of paper with pretty pictures, but I have traded my beadwork on occasion), once so I can really focus on watching the dancers.

Anybody in southeastern PA who wants to go to one of the best powwows in the area (only one I've heard get better reviews is Rancocas, and theirs is a lot more commercial), it's 5/29-31/04, take Route 309 to the Ambler Exit. They usually have fantastic signs from there. If not, it's not hard to find ... roll down the window and listen for drumming.
OnyxCougar • May 25, 2004 11:10 am
Originally posted by Elspode
{derail}Sooo....everyone got big Memorial Day weekend plans?{/derail}
[COLOR=indigo]Yeah! My husband works Friday, and I'm working Sunday and Monday. Go us! This means we can actually spend Saturday together. But of course, we can't go anywhere really fun, because the really fun stuff is 8 + hours away.[/COLOR]
SteveDallas • May 25, 2004 11:11 am
Celebrating my birthday.
lumberjim • May 25, 2004 11:14 am
HEY! HAPPY BIRTHDAY! it's my sis inlaws, too.

buy yourself a beer on me! :beer:
Dagney • May 25, 2004 2:02 pm
Woohoodles...

that's the first time I've been considered 'fun stuff' (Considering i'm within that 8 hour window!)

Dagney..

Who's trapped in a basement and wants to get out!
OnyxCougar • May 25, 2004 2:16 pm
[COLOR=indigo]9hourdrive9hourdrive9hourdrive9hourdrive9hourdrive ;)[/COLOR]
ThreadHijackMan • May 25, 2004 3:29 pm
Originally posted by Elspode
{derail}Sooo....everyone got big Memorial Day weekend plans?{/derail}


(Looks like I have some competition here. He even seems to be more effective than me. I better go back to asshat superhero school and brush up)
lumberjim • May 25, 2004 3:36 pm
don't feel bad, thm.....timing is everything. hijacking a thread that has already fizzled out takes no particular skill. I do, however appreciate Elspode's intent.

anyone else want a piece of me? ....kidding!!
hollyoake • May 26, 2004 2:34 am
a piece of lumberjim... or marshmallows... hum, tough choice!
Elspode • May 26, 2004 12:39 pm
Heartland Pagan Festival begins on Thursday morning, so I have been living at the Fest site since Saturday in our camper, commuting to work each morning and back each evening.

I'm there to assist with the Fest preparations (we expect up to 1,300 attendees this year), but in all honesty, there isn't a heck of a lot for me to do by the time I get there at 6:00. My wife, however, is playing the part of SuperPriestess and coordinating quite a lot of stuff in my absence. I'm not real sure that I'm not a lot better off being at work, in fact.

This is the first year I've ever had to work going into Fest, and I'm going to miss almost half of the event because of it. Plus, once I'm there, I'll be working pretty much all day and a good part of the night. I don't think I'll be able to attend a single workshop this year. But, that's the price I pay for the thing that I'm most committed to, I guess.

Hope everyone has a good holiday weekend. Be safe.
warch • May 26, 2004 1:03 pm
The niece is getting hitched in Winnipeg. We get to watch some Stanley cup Canadian TV coverage. Go Flames!
xoxoxoBruce • May 26, 2004 5:41 pm
Yeah, I've seen some on those "Flames Girls" on the net.:eek:
If the Flames win, the pictures will get better, I'm sure.
elSicomoro • May 26, 2004 9:55 pm
Rho and I will hold court at the Mayfair on Saturday, and maybe we'll go to the State Fair.
lumberjim • May 29, 2004 2:20 pm
oooh, i got a late "yes" vote.


jinx, was it you?