Europe can't escape!

Today Madrid was hit by one of the most horrible terror attacks ever known to Europe. This morning about 7.30 local time 4 bombs exploded during rush-hour in different trains


Right know the death toll is up to 180 people and 1000 wounded. Most people believed it was ETA a nationalistic terror organisation which wants independance of a part of northern Spain. But until now they always warned the authorities at time or only had a few deaths. So more and more are thinking this attack could have an islamistic background...
My thoughts are with the death, the wounded, their family and friends.

[COLOR=indigo]No, they have seen what suicide bombers can accomplish. So they may have been thinking: Why not?

There's a thread somewhere here about how anyone who feels strongly enough about a cause to blow themselves up should be listened to, and negotiatied with.

The counter argument is: if you negotiate with terrorists, then anyone with a cause will become a terrorist and blow people up.

Man, I hate it when I'm right sometimes.[/COLOR]

As more powerful weapons work their way down the food chain we should be prepared for more and bigger of the same.

I'm just waiting till they hit a subway here in DC. I quit taking them. Yeah, I know, I know.

The CSI policemen (they're called CEDAX here) have said that the explosives use the same components that ETA have used in other attacks.
Actually ETA has lost many people and they are using unexperienced people. They think that this is the reason there was no phone call in advance about this attack.
Clearly this has got a lot worse than ETA thougth (no, I'm not saying that if they call in advance this thing would be better, but ETA think so) and they are creating a lot more hate than expected.

It looks like it's our mideast friends at it again. They found a note inside a van. Too bad for the Spanish. Think it had anything to do with them being with us on the Iraq War? I think so.
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The Basques don't consider themselves Spanish.

Al-Qaeda has now claimed responsibility, and it appears that 10 bombs detonated on several different trains nearly simultaneously, and three more unexploded devices were found.

Bastards.

I'm wondering when something similar will occur on either an Amtrak train (especially the Acela because it is their flagship line) or one of the major city's train systems. They seem to be inevitable targets.

Originally posted by Elspode
Al-Qaeda has now claimed responsibility, and it appears that 10 bombs detonated on several different trains nearly simultaneously, and three more unexploded devices were found.

Bastards.

That was just a training run, so to speak. Give them time, something like that would be easy to do here as well.

[COLOR=purple]I'm not happy at what they did in Madrid. But I wonder if our Homeland Security is working so well that they aren't able to come here and do what they did there. I like thinking that. They keep making threats about doing things in our country; but so far it just hasn't happened.

You just know Al Quida did this in Madrid because Spain stood with us in favor of the Iraq War and also their election is coming up in a few days. Skanks.

Now France and Germany are finally becoming concerned about their countries.
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OnyxCougar wrote:

There's a thread somewhere here about how anyone who feels strongly enough about a cause to blow themselves up should be listened to, and negotiatied with.

Unfortunately, the public position of the Bush administration (and I'm not sure but that an administration led by any other current U.S. political leader would be any different in this regard) is that "the terrorists hate America because of our freedom", period. Oh, yeah, and because they're evil. And they're criminals, too - but this is a war, so they're also soldiers. Evil criminal soldiers who hate us because we're free. Next question.

Anybody suggesting that our treatment (by proxy) of the Palestinians, to name just one Middle Eastern policy of mass destruction, might be even a minor factor in their thinking is labeled a traitor, an anti-Semite, and worse.

American citizens, and the citizens of our allies of the month, have lived pretty much out of harm's way until recent years - cushioned from the outrage and resentment emerging from an American foreign policy rooted in lies, intrigue, backstabbing, and blind self-interest. Each of us now has a target painted on his or her back, and it's not there because "we're free".

This is just another example of how Bush's foreign policy is paying off. The entire world is a more dangerous place.

It's always interesting to watch people twist the events to fit their concept of what's happening in the world.

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This is just another example of how Bush's foreign policy is paying off. The entire world is a more dangerous place.

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:rolleyes:

Amusing. But what's really laughable is some people are stupid enough to believe Bush is defending America when in fact he's more dangerous to America than the combined effort of every single terrorist in the middle-east.

Originally posted by Radar

Amusing. But what's really laughable is some people are stupid enough to believe Bush is defending America when in fact he's more dangerous to America than the combined effort of every single terrorist in the middle-east.

The fact is your post made no freakin' sense and you got called on it. Calling people who hold a viewpoint not espoused in this thread (or anywhere else in the Cellar) stupid is a red herring. And not even a good red herring.

It may be a LITTLE more complicated than that.

Originally posted by wolf
I'm wondering when something similar will occur on either an Amtrak train (especially the Acela because it is their flagship line) or one of the major city's train systems. They seem to be inevitable targets.

Absolutely--unless they've changed in the last few months, they have absolutely zero security. (OK, maybe they xray checked baggage? But they don't check anything you carry on the train with you. And they don't make any attempt to verify that you are the person listed on your ticket when they come to collect it.)

How about a shopping mall? Sitting ducks from a security standpoint, and heavy symbolism for anybody wishing to make a statement about America's worship of Mammon.

The trains in Spain bombed mainly cause-a Hussein?

Originally posted by Undertoad
The trains in Spain bombed mainly cause-a Hussein?

You sir, I salute.

Originally posted by SteveDallas

Absolutely--unless they've changed in the last few months, they have absolutely zero security. (OK, maybe they xray checked baggage? But they don't check anything you carry on the train with you. And they don't make any attempt to verify that you are the person listed on your ticket when they come to collect it.)

How about a shopping mall?

Or subways...or buses. Just about anything without the tightest of security is fair game, and if "they" are already living among us...well, it's only a matter of time, isn't it?

Originally posted by SteveDallas
How about a shopping mall? Sitting ducks from a security standpoint, and heavy symbolism for anybody wishing to make a statement about America's worship of Mammon.

The focus of two recent county-wide emergency services drills (one live, one tabletop) both focused on local malls as targets.

The event I attend was a radiological bomb in the food court scenario ... and involved rescuers as well as civilians down.

Let me tell you, it was really cool seeing the SWAT guys in Biochem suits chasing a 'terrorist' around the second deck of the Willow Grove Mall.

There's another one coming up later this spring, don't have details yet, though.

Calling people who hold a viewpoint not espoused in this thread (or anywhere else in the Cellar) stupid is a red herring. And not even a good red herring.

Who said I was talking about anyone here? I was making a comment about all of the stupid people in general who support Bush, his imperialistic foreign policy, and his fascist domestic policy.

That's not a red herring (which would be an attempt to bring something unrelated into the conversation in an attempt to divert attention from the real issue). It's a valid commentary about the people who support the man whose foreign policy caused this attack in Spain.

We can add these 200 people to the 500+ Americans, hundreds of allied people, and thousands of innocent Iraqi people who have died as a direct result of Bush's unwarranted, unprovoked, unconstitutional war of imperialistic aggression against a non-threatening nation that never attacked America or our allies or even helped anyone else attack America.

Bush alone started that war and every death related to it, rests on his shoulders.

Al Queda's next shot will be in Philadelphia. Around 7:00 March 21st, 2004, they're taking Veteran's Stadium down.

(Yeah, it's sick. But I have an image stuck in my mind of a newspaper with a photo of the demolition of Veteran's Stadium on the front and "VETERAN'S STADIUM DESTROYED/AL QUEDA TAKES RESPONSIBILITY" as the headline, and who better to share it with than Cellarites?)

Originally posted by russotto
(Yeah, it's sick. But I have an image stuck in my mind of a newspaper with a photo of the demolition of Veteran's Stadium on the front and "VETERAN'S STADIUM DESTROYED/AL QUEDA TAKES RESPONSIBILITY" as the headline, and who better to share it with than Cellarites?)

Absolutely, normal people would look at you funny.:worried: