cd exchange program
Tell me what you think about this:
pretty much everyone has a cd burner at this point, right? how could we exchange cd's that have our favorite songs on them....I have several of these discs that i've made with different songs on them. jinx did this with a much smaller group of her online friends, and they all made 5 copies of their favorites, and mailed them off to each other.....I just don;t know if that method would work here with so many of us. I kind of like the idea of getting a cd full of songs that you might not normally be attracted to because of your preconception of what that band is all about. I also think it would work best if the songs were not too main stream or current so that people wouldn't get a cd fullup with songs they've already heard.
3 ideas i have:
1. we post the song list from a cd we're willing to exchange, and negotiate trades individually.
2. we get x amount of people to commit to a swap, not knowing who's cd they'd get, ( like a secret santa or polyana) and then figure out a way to randomly match people up for a trade.
3. we could request a cd from someone specifically that we think might have some interesting taste, still not knowing what particular songs they'd give you.
then we could review the cd's, and put up what we think it says about the person we got it from? too deep?
Sigh. :( I know this will start a long and tiring argument, but even so.
Unless you are the author of the works you intend to exchange, doing as you have suggested is immoral. In addition, going about this online will likely get you a lawsuit from the recording industry people.
these cd's would be strictly borrowed......for 100 years each
party pooper :D
How did mixed tapes suddenly become immoral?
We can argue the morality/legality of swapping songs until we are all blue in the face.
I know this isn't in the original three suggestions, but just list the songs on your "now playing" cd/mp3 player. Then everyone can aquire those songs in whatever manner they see fit.
And yes, the current music promotion and distribution system is so broken, it makes the medical/insurance industry look like a well oiled machine.
BTW:
David Gray - Dead in the Water
Phish - Dance Around the Room
Dave Matthews - Save Me
Jet - Are You Gonna be my Girl
Sister Hazel - Champagne High
Nickel Creek - Green & Gray
Old 97's - Nineteen
Janes Addiction - Jane Says (Live)
Oukast - Hey Ya (not a word from anyone :D )
Everlast - Ends
Eagles - Seven Bridges Road
Fountains of Wayne - Staceys Mom
Audioslave - Show me how to Live
At least that's the stuff in heavy rotation atm. Master list has a few more on it
*edit: the c and n keys should not be next to each other*
Here's a mix cd I had in my car for a while. I apologize for the length. I can fit a lot of mp3s on one cd, though.
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Aerosmith - One Way Street (Unplugged).mp3
Ani Difranco - Pale Purple.mp3
Ani DiFranco - Buildings and Bridges.mp3
Beatles - Across The Universe (Psychedelic version).mp3
Beatles - Helter Skelter.mp3
Blind Melon - Change.mp3
Blind Melon - Tones Of Home.mp3
Blues Traveler - Bridge - 01 - Back in The Day.mp3
Blues Traveler - Run Around -unplugged.mp3
Blues Travelers - Hook.mp3
Bob Marley - Get Up Stand Up.mp3
Bob Marley - Jammin'.mp3
Bon Jovi - Keep The Faith.mp3
Bon Jovi - Midnight in Chelsea.mp3
Bon Jovi - Sad Song Night.mp3
colin hay - beautiful_world.mp3
colin hay - overkill.mp3
Crystal_Method_-_Vegas_-_Bad_Stone.mp3
Crystal_Method_-_Vegas_-_Keep_Hope_Alive.mp3
David Lee Roth - I'm Just A Gigolo.mp3
Dead Kenedys - California Über Alles.mp3
Dead Kennedys - MTV Get Off The Air.mp3
Dead Kennedys - Riot.mp3
Dead Kennedys - Soup Is Good Food.mp3
Faith No More - Epic.mp3
Faith No More - Woodpecker From Mars.mp3
Genesis - Jesus He Knows Me.mp3
Jimi_Hendrix_-_Blues_-_Catfish_Blues.mp3
Jimi_Hendrix_-_Blues_-_Jelly_292.mp3
Jimi_Hendrix_-_Blues_-_Voodoo_Chile_Blues.mp3
Jimmy Page and The Black Crows - Shake Your Money Maker.mp3
Jon Bon Jovi - Sad Song Night.mp3
Kiss_-_MTV_Unplugged_-_2,000_Man.mp3
Kiss_-_MTV_Unplugged_-_Comin_Home.mp3
Living Colour - Cult of Personality.mp3
Louis Armstrong & Duke Ellington - It Don't Mean A Thing.mp3
Metallica - Master of Puppets.mp3
Nirvana_-_MTV_Unplugged_In_New_York_-_Lake_Of_Fire.mp3
Phish - A Picture of Nectar - 13 - Chalk Dust Torture.mp3
Phish - Birds of a feather.mp3
phish - down with the disease.mp3
phish - first tube.mp3
Phish - Mike's Song.mp3
Pink_Floyd_-_Take_It_Back.mp3
Pink_Floyd_-_What_Do_You_Want_From_Me.mp3
Pixies - Wave of Mutilation [album v].mp3
prototype - transcendent_velocity.mp3
prototype - trinity.mp3
Queensryche - Empire.mp3
Queensryche - Screaming In Digital.mp3
Robben_Ford_-_The_Brother_(for_Jimmie_&_Stevie).mp3
Robben_Ford_-_You_Cut_Me_To_The_Bone.mp3
Rush-A_Show_of_Hands-04-Marathon.mp3
Rush_-_Counterparts_-_Cut_To_The_Chase.mp3
Rush-Power_Windows-5-Territories.mp3
Rush-Power_Windows-6-Middletown_Dreams.mp3
Rush-Roll_The_Bones-05-Wheres_My_Thing.mp3
Sam Cooke - Twistin' The Night Away.mp3
santana - black magic woman.mp3
santana & everlast - put your lights on.mp3
santana - evil ways.mp3
santana - oye como va.mp3
spocks_beard_-_gibberish.mp3
Steppenwolf - The Pusher.mp3
Stevie_Ray_Vaughan_-Texas_Flood-06-Rude_Mood.mp3
Stevie_Ray_Vaughan_-Texas_Flood-07-Mary_Had_A_Little_Lamb.mp3
Stevie Wonder - Superstition.mp3
Styx_-_Return_To_Paradise_Disc_2_-_Boat_On_The_River.mp3
Styx_-_Return_To_Paradise_Disc_2_-_Fooling_Yourself.mp3
Symphony X-The Odyssey-08-The Odyssey.mp3
tenacious d - cosmic shame.mp3
tenacious d - explosivo.mp3
tenacious d - rock your socks off.mp3
The_Doors-In_Concert_(Disc_One)-03-Alabama_Song.mp3
The_Doors-In_Concert_(Disc_One)-12-Break_On_Through_#2.mp3
The_Doors-In_Concert_(Disc_One)-16-The_Hill_Dwellers.mp3
The_Doors-Soundtrack_From_The_Movie-12-When_The_Musics_Over.mp3
The_Police-The_Classics-02-Cant_Stand_Losing_You.mp3
The_Police-The_Classics-06-De_Do_Do_Do,_De_Da_Da_Da.mp3
Tom_Petty_&_The_Heartbreakers_-_Greatest_Hits_-_Breakdown.mp3
Tom_Petty_-_Wildflowers_-_You_Wreck_Me.mp3
Van_Halen_-_Best_Of_Volume_1_-_Right_Now.mp3
Van_Halen_-_Best_Of_Volume_1_-_Unchained.mp3
Van Halen - Hot for Teacher.mp3
Van Halen - Ice Cream Man.mp3
Velvet Underground - Take a Walk on the Wild Side.mp3
Victor-Victor-04-Mr._X.mp3
Victor-Victor-08-Strip_And_Go_Naked.mp3
Who, The - My Generation.mp3
Who. The - Teenage Wasteland.mp3
Who, The - The Seeker.mp3
Yes_-_Fragile_-_Heart_of_the_Sunrise.mp3
Yes_-_Fragile_-_Long_Distance_Runaround.mp3
Yes-The_Ladder-07-To_Be_Alive_(Hep_Yadda).mp3
Yes-Union-07-Miracle_Of_Life.mp3
Sounds like a great idea LJ, you can count me in. I like to learn about new artists, but since I'm on slow dial up it's hard for me to get songs people just list, legal or otherwise. ;)
I tend to listen to mainly Johnny Cash, the man has such a diverse song inventory its easy to find something to fit whatever mood I'm in. Although Clutch (come on MF) is not bad for those 'I want to beat the living crap out of the next person the speaks' mood I sometimes get.
Originally posted by jinx
How did mixed tapes suddenly become immoral?
They're not immoral, jinx, if you made the mix from material you already have the rights to use and the mix cd is for your own use.
If you give a mix cd away, you have cheated the people/bands whose songs are on the cd. They deserve to make money on their creative works.
Here's an analogy that may simplify the issue:
I have a small shareware program that I sell for $10. I thought it up and spent the time to code it. People can try the limited version and if they like it they can send me the money to get an unlock key.
Now suppose someone sends me the $10 and gets their unlock key. Then they make a copy of the software and give it to a friend along with the key. That's two people using my software. I should have made $20 and only made $10.
It's the same thing for the guys who did all the songs on the mix tape.
I used to really work at creating mix tapes, because there was so much good music that I wanted to get out to my friends. If they wanted to be on the list, they would get a tape; if they wanted off the list, they would not get one. I bought a good tape copying deck and "mastered" my mixes onto the highest quality cassettes.
Everybody on the list was really excited about it because it was a time when I was really paying attention and finding a lot of new bands that were awesome that nobody could hear unless I made a mix tape. I was sending out about 15 tapes every 6 months.
3-4 years previous, I had run my college's radio station, and I saw what was going on. Smaller labels pushing smaller bands would desperately PLEAD for this kind of attention, and would give it away routinely in order to promote. So I knew that what I was doing was moral. There was no question about it. My efforts probably sold a few hundred albums that otherwise wouldn't have been bought at all. Everyone in the chain, the artists, the management, the labels, and most of all the listeners, were served and benefitted from the arrangement.
You want a challenge: build this same thing, but only use unsigned artists that are very very good. It will take longer to make the CD because those acts have to be hunted down. 9 out of 10 minor label acts are terrible. But the great ones do exist. Every good major label act has a few minor label releases in their catalogue... and every good major label act will eventually be dropped, and if they continue on, they will release on minor labels.
And nobody will take you to court for doing this; instead they'll kiss you all over for doing it, and probably help you figure out how to make it all legal anyway, if you'll only keep promoting their music.
Originally posted by Undertoad
You want a challenge: build this same thing, but only use unsigned artists that are very very good.
oh, yeah.....that should be no problem. we all know 19 or 20 great unsigned bands that are willing to give us a single or two to promote to the millions of people that will be reading the reviews posted on the cellar.
sorry. woke up grumpy.
does a forum or website exist that caters to that kind of thing? one that, along with the talking about their music, has the ability to upload and play mp3 files. so that the bands can do what you described above......upload a song or three with pictures or videos linked in hopes that a talent scout or two would be listening? you could probably charge for the service, sell advertising to music stores, record labels, etc....
...if you do this and get rich, i'd like some monetary consideration.
and dar512, if that is your real name, since you have taken the position of morality cop on this particular thread, what is your morality radar telling you about the borrowing of said cds? Is it wrong for you to lend your neighbor the hedge clipper, when the manufacturer could have sold him one? are you cheating them? I think that as long as you are not turning a profit from the use of a product you have purchased that competes with the sales of the same product, you've done no real wrong.
in efforts to assuage the fears of lawsuits that you have stirred up, thereby considerably deflating the fun level of this idea, i'd be willing to reduce the length of time these cd's are borrowed to 3 weeks. this is enough time for us to sample the music contained therein, and if we like it we can take our lovely money down to the record store and pay the 19.99 for a cd we really only know that we like one song from,so that the authors of said cd can earn their $.37 which is their legal and "rightful share" after all of the fucking money grubbing machinery of the record industry has picked over the carcass of the band's work. hmmmpfh!
don;t let dar scare you people! i need more participants here....i dont want to have to listen to johnny cash.
oh, and by the way, juju, i hope to christ that you had that song list somewhere that you were able to cut and paste it. damn. too much for me to read.
i think the #2 or #3 idea is probably the best one. if we list the songs, it seems to takeall of the fun and mystery out of it. besides, sycamore already has that going on in the what's playing on the stereo thread.
idea#4:
like 2 and 3, but we create a "best of" cd that we can identify with personally. our lifetime alltime favorites. songs that have had meaning to us through the different phases of our lives. then whoever gets your cd can get to know you a little bit more. we could rotate these cds indefinately. check them out like library books. use a thread like this one to keep track of who has who;s cd at the moment
( wow, i just got Luvbugz's cd from undertoad, and it's full of strawberry shortcake theme songs, and liza monelli? who wants it next? )
OR
"I just got FnF's collection from Arsen, and goddamn, that guy's twisted. you gotta hear this cd! it gave me nightmares!"
I feel very strongly that a person's taste in music says a lot about them. it divided us in high school. right? punkers, metal heads, new wave fags, etc.....
c'mon, people, i wanna do this. who's with me?
And BTW, itsaboutmusic.com is a client of mine. This is exactly what you describe LJ. The bands pay to be on it but it's both a showcase and an official online store for acts, taking care of a lot of the BS. (We're working on a download store)
Great idea, LJ! I am all over this one.
crap. this means i'm going to have to get the tub o' CDs out of the pile ... I sure as shit hope it's above the tub o' videotapes. that mutherfucker's heavy.
I'm liking the idea here ...
ok, i guess we should start making our cd's, and ironing out particulars?
which method sounds the most interesting?
Originally posted by Undertoad
And BTW, itsaboutmusic.com is a client of mine. This is exactly what you describe LJ. The bands pay to be on it but it's both a showcase and an official online store for acts, taking care of a lot of the BS. (We're working on a download store)
drat. another idea stolen before i ever thought of it. did you now that shelby and i dreamed of creating internet cafe's in the early nineties before they became reality?
Originally posted by lumberjim
Is it wrong for you to lend your neighbor the hedge clipper, when the manufacturer could have sold him one? are you cheating them? I think that as long as you are not turning a profit from the use of a product you have purchased that competes with the sales of the same product, you've done no real wrong.
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Not that I'm a big fan of RIAA or the whole music organization, but the DIFFERENCE is, only one of you is using the hedge trimmers at a time. If I load a friend my copy of Dark Side of the Moon, then while he's playing it, I am not. If I burn him a copy, then it's entirely possible that while I'm using it, he is as well.
Get it?
Yeah, do ya get it:D
Anyway's, as you just discovered somebody jumped the gun on your idea, I had a similar experience.
I fantasised about creating a single wheel motorcycle. The type where you sit inside the wheel. Imagine my disgust when I happened upon it on the net, not as an idea but a fully worked up prototype.
:mad:
Here's my "get it" analogy. If I loan my neighbour my hedge trimmer he/she's unlikely to clone it.
...And then comically used in a South Park episode!
And actually LJ, if you guys pay me to develop the site, you can have the idea too. There's nothing outrageously difficult about it - it just takes time to put together.
Originally posted by Undertoad
...And then comically used in a South Park episode!
That particular model was a little more...ah.. elaborate than mine.:D
Originally posted by juju
Who. The - Teenage Wasteland.mp3
There is no such Who song...it is titled "Baba O'Reilly"...
Sorry...I'm a Who purist. That being said,
this was funny.
Count me in. Yet another good idea by Lj
Maybe this will be the incentive I need to convert my vinyl to bits and bytes.
Oh, and on a related note,
some lady in NJ is suing the RIAA under the RICO statutes. WoooHooo!!
Originally posted by lumberjim
and dar512, if that is your real name, ...
No, it's not my real name. 'undertoad', 'wolf', 'jinx', and 'lumberjim' - those are
real names. dar512 is the handle I use in a number of places on the internet. 'dar' comes from my initials. 512 is one of those magic numbers in programming since it's a power of 2.
Feel free to call me dar if you like.
Originally posted by lumberjim
...since you have taken the position of morality cop on this particular thread...
No cop involved. I'm just expressing my opinion. Ethics and morality are topics that come up on the cellar on a regular basis. The ethics and morality of intellectual property are difficult to begin with. Plus, it is easier to assuage one's conscience when stealing something that is invisible and untouchable. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed.
Originally posted by lumberjim
what is your morality radar telling you about the borrowing of said cds? Is it wrong for you to lend your neighbor the hedge clipper, when the manufacturer could have sold him one? are you cheating them? I think that as long as you are not turning a profit from the use of a product you have purchased that competes with the sales of the same product, you've done no real wrong.
Intellectual property (IP) is different from physical property. If you loan your friend a clipper, you can't use it while he has it, can you? With IP like a CD, you are not really loaning the CD, you are loaning the rights to the performance. If you loan a CD to a friend, you don't have the right to the performance while he has it.
So to answer your question - if you loan a cd, song, whatever to someone and you don't listen to the cd, song, whatever while it's gone, I think that is ethically moral. The RIAA might still hassle you about it, but I wouldn't.
If you make a copy of the cd before loaning it, and you both listen to it during that same period, then that's wrong.
Originally posted by lumberjim
this is enough time for us to sample the music contained therein, and if we like it we can take our lovely money down to the record store and pay the 19.99 for a cd we really only know that we like one song from,so that the authors of said cd can earn their $.37 which is their legal and "rightful share" after all of the fucking money grubbing machinery of the record industry has picked over the carcass of the band's work. hmmmpfh!
There's no doubt in my mind that major labels have a veritable monopoly. That doesn't give us the excuse to also be immoral.
I think you can work this ethically, if people are willing to put away the cds that the music originally came from while their favorites collection is out on loan.
Originally posted by Elspode
There is no such Who song...it is titled "Baba O'Reilly"...
Yeah... that's unfortunately a price of doing business on the networks. People are stupid sometimes.
Originally posted by lumberjim
oh, and by the way, juju, i hope to christ that you had that song list somewhere that you were able to cut and paste it. damn. too much for me to read.
Of course I didn't type it all out. I just did:<blockquote>[size=1]ls --color=never /cdrom > ~/foo
kate ~/foo[/size]</blockquote>And then I copy-and-pasted. Simple.
FWIW, on a couple of drunken weekends recently I ripped 130ish cds (I owned them all, mostly 80s stuff I used to buy), d/l track info and ftp'd em to a modified XBOX...it sucked but I now have 1700+ tracks on that bad boy along with all my home video and a few thousund digital/scanned photos....all a few game controller button clicks away.
I would highly recomend this to anyone interested, cost me $120 for a used XBOX, $80 for a 120G hard drive, lots of research time and a case of beer last Halloween.
so if we made only one best of cd, and it circulated around to the people who were interested in it, and reserved it, we would not be able to listen to it simultaneously, right? what if we happen to hear one of the songs on the radio????? :eek:
i have better taste in music than jim does, btw.
i have better taste in music than jim does, btw.
But poorer taste in spouses.
:D [SIZE=1]sorry, couldn't resist.[/SIZE]
Anyone have any darker trance type music?
I will look through our collection also, and put out a list of possibilities.
Anyone have any darker trance type music?
I do. House/Techno/Industrial too.
Originally posted by dar512
There's no doubt in my mind that major labels have a veritable monopoly. That doesn't give us the excuse to also be immoral.
I think you can work this ethically, if people are willing to put away the cds that the music originally came from while their favorites collection is out on loan.
do this over
hereOriginally posted by jinx
so if we made only one best of cd, and it circulated around to the people who were interested in it, and reserved it, we would not be able to listen to it simultaneously, right? what if we happen to hear one of the songs on the radio????? :eek:
i have better taste in music than jim does, btw.
Answer is
here because ljim would rather not have ethical questions rain on his musical parade.
"Eppur si muove."Its the scale and the performance pressure involved in this proposal that makes me jitter.
I pity the fool who gets my CD. :)
I'm game.
Originally posted by warch
Its the scale and the performance pressure involved in this proposal that makes me jitter.
no performance; no pressure.
ok, so far we have:
JnGeorge
UT
Case
Wolf
Beestie
Sycamore
Lumberjim
who else?
I'll sign up only if I get to send lumberjim some of my favorite opera & classical music tracks!!! :violin:
I have boycotted RIAA CDs for months now because of their bullshit.
I think artists (musicians, writers, producers, etc) should be rewarded for their work. I even think that the record companies should be compensated for their effort (talent scouting, studio time, marketing, packaging, media, etc), and make a fair profit from the effort. And retailers should have their expenses covered, plus make a profit. As it stands today, retailers do OK, the artists get a pittance, and record label makes out like bandit.
The RIAA represents an ugly oligopoly. The companies that make up the RIAA control the majority of the music on the American market, and conspire to keep prices high, pocketing much of the profits themselves. They then sue file-sharers, claiming to be righteously fighting for their artists.
They want to be able to delete "illegal" MP3s from my hard drive remotely, with no concern whether I might have pulled them off of legitimately purchsed CDs. They want to cause physical damage to my computer if they decide, without oversight, that I possess illegal music files. They want to prevent me from making mix CDs, for personal use or otherwise, by adding copy-protection to all the CDs on the market... which would also prevent me from using a portable MP3 player, making backups of my music in case of a scratched CD, etc.
I have little regard for the rights of an entity who has so little regard for mine. Fuck 'em. Let the burning begin.
Wait, fuck..what are we supposed to do?
I was being lazy, am I to make my own greatest hits CD, mail it to one of you and I get one and then we go round and round?
If so I'M IN BABY...that sounds really cool!
Just to clarify, correct me if I am wrong. I create one CD for each person participating, and get one back from each person.
Count me in!
I like classical, international, techno/trance, and alternative, so I'll just throw in a little of each.
If Slarti has this right, it's a good thing I bought a lot of blanks recently.
I'm just guessing but I was assuming that we all made a cd and then sent it to "the person on our right." I then receive a CD from the person on my left. After a week or two, we have had time to review the CD to decide *cough* if we want to buy the original or not *cough* and send the CD we received to the person on our right. Eventually, we get to listen to a CD from each member per round.
Its like we are all in a circle and there is one CD for each person in the circle. The CDs keep moving one person to the left until everyone has heard each one. Is this correct or am I standing out in left field at 3:00 am with my glove on again? I do that a lot you know :-)
Also, it seems that one concept for what's on the CD is a collection of everyone's favorite songs over their life. That's a great idea. I also wouldn't mind a greatest hits anthology from everyone's favorite artist.
Just random thoughts...
Logistics now damn....I also would like to suggest/contribute a song list and comments on why it's on your top 10. After all it's more meaningful if you knew who it came from and why.
Also a label and mailing address, i.e. the LUMBERJIM MIX, return/forward too:
Cmon LJ, lets get yer ass in gear here...I also want a Return On Investment statement no later than 9:09pm tonight, don't forget your TPS reports.
ok ok sorry i'm late.
beestie has detailed what i had intended. I think making 11 or 12 copies of a cd is cost prohibitive, and more indicative of immoral intent. wouldn't want to upset the dar512 faction.....
on that note, if you want to participate in this, but dont want to be publicly seen doing so, send me a pm, and i'll assign you a "stage name" like " anon1" and we'll use that name for everything posted publicly.
so if we are to use the rotation method, we will only need to keep one person's address. the person on your right. if someone new joins the fray, we'll need to adjust.
we need to agree on the particulars.
i like the idea of a lifetime favorites disc. we can do this more than once, if we want to do other themes, too. I would propose, also that we not divulge online what our discs contain apart from genre and general mood related information if you are so inclined. just for fun (and to avoid catching the eye of someone personally vested in a song or artist). i think the person's name( your real name if you are anon*) ((we'll all agree not to out you )) and a song list with artist info should be included, but i think the why's and wherefore's should be optional.....don't want warch to feel too much pressure.....i think i might have a hard time with that, too. ( some songs i've just always liked, and would be hard pressed to say why)
AND for the record, we all promise not to make illegal copies of said discs, AND not to listen to our original copies of these songs except for between 12 am and 1 am, at which time everyone else agrees not to listen to the best of discs. ( this will eliminate the possibility of simultaneous listening infringement or SLI
I would like to thank dar for his help in keeping this a moral an legal enterprise. i would also like to invite him to join us. cmon, you can be "anon512".
You can count me in.
Damn have to break into the CD burning equipment again, been awhile.
how does march 1st sound for a start date?
Originally posted by SteveDallas
I'll sign up only if I get to send lumberjim some of my favorite opera & classical music tracks!!! :violin:
I wouldn't settle for anything less from you, opera man. I can't wait to hear your cd. Really. No, really, I mean it, steve.
ok, so far we have:
JnGeorge
UT
Case
Wolf
Beestie
Sycamore
Lumberjim
blue58
stevedallas
H_P
Slarti
Cam
Conspicuoulsy absent:
Elspode
xoxoxoBruce
OnyxCougar
Jinx ( I'm working on it)
lets wait for more entries until Monday sometime, then we'll come up with a rotation order somehow that randomizes the order of the above list. then, assuming no one is opposed, we'll have about a week to get our cd's together, and exchange adresses with the people we need to exchange with.
any thing i forgot? objections? improvements?
ETA: lets trim the time with a person's collection to 2 weeks, ok?
I'm seriously not sure I have the time to dedicate to burning and mailing that many CDs.
Still considering it, though.
it's only one cd every two weeks. read beestie's post :
ts like we are all in a circle and there is one CD for each person in the circle. The CDs keep moving one person to the left until everyone has heard each one. Is this correct or am I standing out in left field at 3:00 am with my glove on again? I do that a lot you know :-)
OK, I'm on board...I like the 'lifetime of favorite songs' scheme best. Silly me, but I always feel like knowing what a person finds meaning and enjoyment in musically is like opening a door to the soul somehow. Therefore, getting that sort of compilation from other Cellarites in turn would, IMHO, tend to let us get to know one another a bit more truly.
I like that idea also.
LJ ... how's about putting together the mailing list by having people PM you ... then you can PM or email it to the rest of us. I won't post my address info direct to the board.
I'm not unconcerned about people like FnF is ...
Originally posted by wolf
I'm not unconcerned about people like FnF is ...
Look at it from his perspective.... The sick bastards out there aren't nearly as scary if you're one of them. :D
Well, shit...now I'm having trouble keeping my list down to one CD's worth.
I'm a lazy bastard, so my CD is going to be made up of MP3's converted back to .wavs...
I don't intend to put up my favorite songs, I intend to dominate the "downtempo" category. All of my songs will be slow and wil take you by surprise.
Originally posted by wolf
I like that idea also.
LJ ... how's about putting together the mailing list by having people PM you ... then you can PM or email it to the rest of us. I won't post my address info direct to the board.
I'm not unconcerned about people like FnF is ...
wolf, you should only need to give your address to the person above you on the list. and you'll only need the address of person below you. you will mail a different cd to the same person every 2 weeks, and recieve a new cd from the same person every 2 weeks. and yes, absolutely, we'll use the pm system for that exchange.
Originally posted by Elspode
Well, shit...now I'm having trouble keeping my list down to one CD's worth.
I'm a lazy bastard, so my CD is going to be made up of MP3's converted back to .wavs...
will this play in a car steroe standard cd player, spode?
Originally posted by Elspode
Well, shit...now I'm having trouble keeping my list down to one CD's worth.
I'm a lazy bastard, so my CD is going to be made up of MP3's converted back to .wavs...
That's ok, Spode... I was actually more concerned that you were going to put your songs on an 8-track cassette. :)
For those that don't remember what they were like:
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-KA_CHUNK_KLADANK-[/FONT]dee-da-da-doo.
updated list:
ok, so far we have:
JnGeorge
UT
Case
Wolf
Beestie
Sycamore
Lumberjim
blue58
stevedallas
H_P
Slarti
Cam
Elspode
jinx
I forgot juju, are you in or out, bud?
Splode brought up an intresting point . What format do we do this in ?? You can fit 12-15 CD quality songs on a disk (most ANY body can figuer out how to play these ) , you can fit 150-200 .MP3 on a disk ( these are harder to play if you don't know what a .mp3 is and YES there are some folks that don't ) .
This sounds like fun .
It sounds like its time to break out some of my old casste tapes and LPs and start burning .
Does any body know were i can get a drive belt for an
Akai GX-F44R tape deck , and a replacement cartrage ( needle ) for a Technics SL-10 turntable ?
The turn table works fine , but the tape deck is shot .
Originally posted by lumberjim
will this play in a car steroe standard cd player, spode?
It should, but it will be slightly lower quality, after changing format twice.
HM is correct...it is an audio CD, I just chose to build it from my rather extensive MP3 collection rather than dicking with my rather extensive CD collection.
Quality will be a bit lower, but it should be essentially unnoticeable unless you are playing an unconverted track side by side with the ones on my disc.
I would say these discs should be in regular cd player friendly formats.....i plan to listen primarily in my car, so, mp3 won't work for me......that also would be a lot harder to fill a disc.
you in, monkey? zippy, you're in, right?
Sounds interesting , ok I'm in .
How do we comment about these songs ?? I meen one week we get some cool clasical the next we get a disk of death metal or some such .
Oh and do we HAVE to fill the disk ??? wouldn't just 5-10 tunes be representitve of a perticuler time line in our life , or theme we want to put out there ?
What if we don't all like the same music?
Originally posted by juju
What if we don't all like the same music?
that'skind of the point, isn't it?
It would be rather boring if we *did* all like the same music, wouldn't it? :)
JuJu I think that is the point , to expand your horizens a little . Hell you never know you may like some of the more obscure tunes that meen things to some of the other cellerites .
Originally posted by zippyt
Sounds interesting , ok I'm in .
How do we comment about these songs ?? I meen one week we get some cool clasical the next we get a disk of death metal or some such .
Oh and do we HAVE to fill the disk ??? wouldn't just 5-10 tunes be representitve of a perticuler time line in our life , or theme we want to put out there ?
you put as much or as little as you'd like. my disc will be full.
the commentary and reviews should be interesting to read, but not obligatory. I just think we should avoid naming songs specifically, but i'd like to know what to expect in general terms when i'm expecting a disc from someone.
THIS IS NOT A COMPETITION
gambling is frowned upon.
No naming of the songs? But what if someone really likes one, and wants to buy a CD, but doesn't know who it is?
Besides, the song title, artist and other info could possibly be relevant to the reason a particular track was included...
Splode said No naming of the songs? But what if someone really likes one, and wants to buy a CD, but doesn't know who it is?
That sir is what a cd lable is for . The cd burning soft ware i have tries to get you to make lables for the disk as soon as it has burned .
clarification. no naming the songs ONLINE. i would want the name and artist included with the actual cd, though. so i can go buy it if i like the song.
Cool ,
LJ since you STARTED this can you lay out how it will work , rules etc....
I know it has been said BUT it was fragmented and could be confusing , i know i am a bit Corn-fused ( but HEY that is normal for me ):3eye: :3eye:
ok, so far we have:
JnGeorge
UT
Case
Wolf
Beestie
Sycamore
Lumberjim
blue58
stevedallas
H_P
Slarti
Cam
Elspode
jinx
zippy
juju
now...the order of the list.....i just got busy here....can someone do this for me.....make it random.
Mine's done and burnt and contains 12 songs. All of which are extremely slow in tempo.
This was an interesting project for the morning.
Some of you will hate it, others will love it to death.
Darn you for having time on your hands and having this already finished!!!!!
I think they should all be burned as audio cds ... the point is to have a SMALL number of songs, thereby increasing the presumed quality of the offerings, rather than a scattershot of everything on your hard drive.
My car stereo does NOT recognize MP3s, so I'd be stuck with the 'puter as a listening medium.
Why screw around?
Okay folks...after talking to Jimbo, here's the plan:
I will write all your names down and put them in a hat. I'll shake 'em up, and Rho will pick the first name. Then she'll pick a second name. Whomever is picked second gets the first person's CD. Then she'll pick a third name, and that person will get the second person's CD. And so on. From there, we will create a schedule.
Results to be announced later today.
Anyone who wants to participate after I post the schedule, we'll try to fit you in as best as possible. Absolute cut off date is 6pm EST, March 1st.
Alright, lets get this rolling, UT's freaking done already, I'm going to do 10 for starters, have MP3's already, have to figure out how to make an audio CD, but....I WILL BE DONE TODAY, so if you've got any mailing details ready send them to me.
Now, hi ho, off to work
Let's do mailing details next week. I think we should see how many others who don't normally read the Cellar on weekends want to get involved.
If you all want a blank... if nothing else you could print this and write your titles on it.
This was hastily done, but hey.
Originally posted by zippyt
Does any body know were i can get a drive belt for an
Akai GX-F44R tape deck , and a replacement cartrage ( needle ) for a Technics SL-10 turntable ?
You can probably find your cartridge at
TurnTableBelts.com. They've had most of the things I've looked for there. I think they even have some cassette deck stuff.
Originally posted by sycamore
Let's do mailing details next week. I think we should see how many others who don't normally read the Cellar on weekends want to get involved.
the list must come first.
list position will dictate who's adress you'll need, and who will need yours. when the list comes out, send your address to the person above you. if you're first, send it to the last name. confirm receipt of the address form your sender, and start mailing!
I'll do a summary tonight in a new thread that we can check back to easily. Or, toad can use his magical powers to do it for me on this thread.....
I need to find out if perth is participating.
Originally posted by case
I need to find out if perth is participating.
yeah, the spouse thing complicates it a bit. those of us that have a spouse on the list will have to basically miss a period, while we have our spouse's cd. or we could just team the spouses up as one(2 cds)? thoughts?
I think we should be put in the list as separate randomly placed entries.
I have a tentative tracklist put together, but I still need to finalize it, burn, label, etc. Mine's looking to be a genre-buster, containing some songs that have special meaning to me, some songs by artists who aren't so well-known but deserve some new ears, and some that are just songs I've been enjoying lately. Some are very old, some very new. I have alarmingly broad music tastes.
Originally posted by lumberjim
yeah, the spouse thing complicates it a bit. those of us that have a spouse on the list will have to basically miss a period, while we have our spouse's cd. or we could just team the spouses up as one(2 cds)? thoughts?
That's a good idea... the two CDs from a husband-and-wife pair stick together. Since they'll have to reach all the same destinations eventually anyway, this will save on postage, and will prevent anyone whose spouse is participating from having "dead spots" on the rotation. Good thinking, Jimbo!
Originally posted by case
I think we should be put in the list as separate randomly placed entries.
Me too.
Yeah, and this would mean each spouse would have different people in front and behind them. I think this is how we should do it.
If couples participate, I think their CDs should be sent separately. The additional cost of shipping can't be that much. And it ensures that everyone gets 2 weeks with one CD. The only "unfair" thing with this system is that some couples will get 4 weeks total with a CD. But I think this is better than getting 2 weeks with 2 CDs.
Mine is also done. I have made a decorative "U" card insert for the back of the jewel case, and a foldy card for the front with interesting cover and informative backside content, but nothing inside the folded sheet (again, I'm lazy and busy...bad combination).
CD is labelled with just the bare essentials identifying it as Elspode's Cellar Collection #1, in Sharpie.
I have placed a folded sheet listing the tracks with my brief comments thereof inside the folded cover piece for anyone who gives a shit.
I'm looking forward to this!
The amount of production ability spread amongst this group is somewhat daunting ...
My CD is burned, labelled in sharpie, in a blank (thin) jewel box.
I don't have a printer connected at this time ... no room on the table, and I rarely print stuff out.
The "title card" is going to consist of something that I will hopefully print out at work tomorrow ... assuming I remember to email it to myself.
I may even splurge and use the colored paper.
HP, you think YOUR tastes are eclectic? You ain't heard nothin' yet.
Heh... I was planning to write my name on it in magic marker! :cool:
HooHah, I'm done! Burning now, damn I planned on 10 but it became 16 tracks, don't know who to send it to first but they are gonna be one lucky sum'a'bitch.
Also including a letter/album notes page. Will probably zip everything up in case recipient has a problem reading the CD. Is a verbatim CDR in audio format, but I have he folder of mp3's and notes. Haven't made an audio CD in ages so I'm somewhat worried about compatibility.
Will probably spend a wee bit of time on artwork. Please don't label your CDs (adhesive), this is just asking for trouble.
Awlright!! Just need an address...anyone know what postage should be for one cd, one piece of paper, one jewel case?
FWIW, I didn't get too talky in my notes, but whoever recieves this will know quite alot about me. You'll probably be bored too tears, but informatively bored.
Let the fun begin.
Originally posted by SteveDallas
Heh... I was planning to write my name on it in magic marker! :cool:
That's what I did. Labels just deteriate (sp?) the disc and can cause problems with the drive. I think they also can throw the balance off too.
Just popped my homebrew CD into a DVD player and it seems to work fine, course it alphabetized the tracks so my track list is screwy. Will try to create something with UTs blank.
One thing I learned doing this, my laptop speakers absolutely suck!
Listening to it now on the stereo, dang this is good stuff.
I am having WAY too much fun with this, I gotta go do something productive.
Over, and Out
I'm not in this for a number of reasons but I have a general question. How do you mail CDs safely? Padded envelope? Package?
we get dvd's from netflix all the time in a simple envelope. they're fine. i was figuring i'd use priority mail, but i love wasting money on postage.
spouse will be treated as individuals, then, but, syc, make sure they're not consecutive on the final list, please.
I can't wait to start mine up.....cool label, toad!
Originally posted by sycamore
If couples participate, I think their CDs should be sent separately. The additional cost of shipping can't be that much. And it ensures that everyone gets 2 weeks with one CD. The only "unfair" thing with this system is that some couples will get 4 weeks total with a CD. But I think this is better than getting 2 weeks with 2 CDs.
I am not sure I understand.
see, as couples we each have to make a CD, therefore, we should each get to send and recieve a CD. We treat it as if we are all separate people, rather than couples. Is that what you mean? That's what I was talking about, too.
Originally posted by case
see, as couples we each have to make a CD, therefore, we should each get to send and recieve a CD. We treat it as if we are all separate people, rather than couples. Is that what you mean? That's what I was talking about, too.
Yeah...I was just disagreeing with HP.
Originally posted by sycamore
Yeah...I was just disagreeing with HP.
Hey Syco... :D
I'm just a disagreeable sort of chap that way. But don't worry, you'll love my CD.
You guys all like nSync, right?
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Originally posted by sycamore
Yeah...I was just disagreeing with HP.
And now that we got that part straightened out, perth decided not to really participate, but he and I will make a 2 disc set for you guys to sample. :)
Fucking Perth ruining it for everybody. :)
In order to ensure an active listening experience for all of you, I've decided not to normalize my disc, thus ensuring you are paying attention as you adjust the volume between songs.
I think it is going to enhance that whole 'guerilla music exchange' feel...
Originally posted by sycamore
Fucking Perth ruining it for everybody. :)
He'd just send out the Osmond's greatest hits anyway.
Originally posted by Elspode
In order to ensure an active listening experience for all of you, I've decided not to normalize my disc, thus ensuring you are paying attention as you adjust the volume between songs.
I think it is going to enhance that whole 'guerilla music exchange' feel...
You just don't want to pay the registration fee to Real Audio, you cheapass bastard ...
Here's another question ... how are we going to handle the inevitable comments ... email to the originator of the disk? Although I'd be interested in what everbody has to say about everybody (as usual) I don't want the surprise associated with getting the CDs spoiled ...
(wonder how much duplication we'll have too ... I'm guessing relatively little)
Originally posted by wolf
You just don't want to pay the registration fee to Real Audio, you cheapass bastard ...
Not true...I'm just too lazy to reinstall my hacked copy of Sound Forge and run all these damn tracks through it. :D
I've already had so much fun with this, I'm going to make my #2 collection tonight, in anticipation of the enormous success of the first round.
This will actually give me some time to put thought into the next batch, instead of going with what struck me right off the bat.
This is easy, LJ, the dumbass that started this simply creates a thread titled "I Got It!", we post there.
Mine is done & waiting to be mailed, I gave it the wife test, she loves it, now I've had to make 3 copies already because of word of mouth.
This was fun, I think I'd forgotten the power of music. This was a very emotional experience for me, sort of a get to know me, get to know myself kind of thing. And I'm not some candy ass feelings type guy, but worked on my disc all day and was surprised by the emotions I had doing it.
Life aint so bad.
Originally posted by wolf
Here's another question ... how are we going to handle the inevitable comments ...
I was thinking of including two or three sheets of paper with a form that says:
Handle:
Favorite Track:
Least Favorite Track:
General Comments praises, and Gripes:
Originally posted by lumberjim
He'd just send out the Osmond's greatest hits anyway.
This is messing with MY cool factor, now. I am going to have to get him a new image. :D
Originally posted by sycamore
Or Edie Brickell.
Actually, we use to have one of her tapes.
I am working on my disc right now. I am sure some of you will hate some of it, some of you might like some of it, and nobody will probably like all of it. But I used these guidelines for mine: I forced myself to think back to when I was younger and what defined me then...and I worked my way into what I am into now. So it is all over the board. Since it is such a jarring experience, I will include an informational sheet to kind of explain why each song is important to me. I made it a point to choose songs that have a lot of meaning for me.
Anyone else using a similar approach?
I am, albeit unconsciously. I probably didn't go into enough detail about the whys of my selections because I didn't want it to run to too much reading. It is about the music, so I thought the music could speak mostly for itself.
Not true...I'm just too lazy to reinstall my hacked copy of Sound Forge and run all these damn tracks through it.
A friendly head's up: SF only allows 20 (or so) mp3 writings before requiring that you register the mp3 writer module seperately. If you are using SF to create the disc, start with the WAV file and do NOT convert to MP3 prior to writing to disc or else the mp3 writer will stop working (not that you couldn't use something else, tho).
And one other point. Looking ahead to the second round (I'm assuming that this will be at least successful enough to eek out a 2nd round), I would like to nominate the idea of a greatest hits from an artist the Cellarite chooses. I am having a crisis of finding new music to like and really need some exposure to other stuff.
I'm looking forward to this. A lot. I'm ready to get enlightened by everyone's tastes and can't wait to give everyone a glimpse into my sick, twisted world. :-)
I am really excited about this, too, Beestie. This will be a really good opportunity to learn about musicians I didn't know about and learn about other cellarites.
that's Mr. Dumbass, to you, blue. And I think that it's important to note that the seed of this idea was planted by another member of the cellar, that apparently wishes to remain anon.
Good idea. Great Venue.
And great participation.
Wolf, when it comes to talking about the discs, I'd opine that we simply speak in general terms, and not give away the names of particular songs. You could refer to the disc with the people before you on the list that have heard it, also avoiding naming song names. Maybe we should all keep a copy of the play lists since it would be immoral to keep a copy of the disc, that way we could call them by "Wolf7 or Wolf14" .
good enough?
christ.....i think i'd better post some guidelines and refferendum.
how's blue for everyone? so it's easy to find the post.....right here on page 9....
[COLOR=blue] Users Manual
[size=1]edited list in from future post[/size]
1. Zippyt
2. Sycamore
3. JeepnGeorge
4. Elspode
5. Wolf
6. blue58
7. Slartibartfast
8. SteveDallas
9. Cam
10. Jinx
11. lumberjim
12. Hot Pastrami
13. Beestie
14. UnderToad
15. Juju
16. Case
17. LadySycamore
18. mrnoodle
19. Brigliadore
1. The sharing period is 2 weeks
2. We mail on Mondays
3. You mail only to the person below you on the list. If you are last, mail to the first person.
4. You promise not to copy any of these discs
5. You will only listen to your original versions of the songs from these discs between 12 AM and 1 AM EST, during which time, all collection CD's will not be listened to.
6. Violation of policies #4 and #5 will be met with a withering look from the moral majority.
7. You will not disclose on the public forum any of the song titles included on these discs, and will refer to them only by disc author and track number. Also, avoid using the song artist name when possible.
8. Reviews, and insights about the people who created the disc are acceptable. Given rule 7 is observed.
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insert your rules here.
Originally posted by lumberjim
5. You will only listen to your original versions of the songs from these discs between 12 AM and 1 AM, duiring which time, all collection CD's will not be listened to.
Uh...perth can't stay up past 10:00. I have tried to get him to, but he just can't do it. :D
[SIZE=1]I love when he's out of town, nowhere near a computer for 2 days.[/SIZE]
And the order is...
1. Zippyt
2. Sycamore
3. JeepnGeorge
4. Elspode
5. Wolf
6. blue58
7. Slartibartfast
8. SteveDallas
9. Cam
10. Jinx
11. Jimbo
12. Hot Pastrami
13. Beestie
14. Sheppsie
15. Juju
16. Case
17. Rho
Rho verifies that this whole thing was 100% random.
Look at the person below you. This is who you will be sending your CD to. Exchange addresses.
Anyone else who wants in by 3/1 will go to the bottom of the list. So Rho, keep in mind that the person you will be sending your CD to might change. And Zip, keep in mind that the person you will be receiving a CD from may change.
If there is anyone who is not comfortable giving their name and address to the person above them, you need to PM me ASAP.
Everyone clear?
Do we start sending this Monday?
Goddamnit...did you not read my earlier post? 3/1. :)
Except for Rho or whomever is last...they will mail theirs on 3/2.
so i get jinx first. I wonder what i'll learn about her? It's not like I haven't been listening to her cd for the last 15 years. And she's bouncing around right now saying she's going to force me to listen to it for the whole entire two weeks. Well, I guess I'll save some postage. :)
Originally posted by sycamore
Goddamnit...did you not read my earlier post? 3/1. :)
Sorry. Just trying to get my post count up. Hehe. :typing:
Ya know, I just thought of something...it's probably important that we specify a mailing type, since everyone lives all across the country. And thus far, it looks like everyone on the list is here in the States.
I say Priority mail...padded envelope. For me to send a CD from Philadelphia to Los Angeles would cost approx. $5.75...and I'm highballing the weight at 2 pounds.
Is everyone okay with this?
Yep, cool with priority mail.
[SIZE=1]Woohoo! Another post![/SIZE]
Originally posted by sycamore
Ya know, I just thought of something...it's probably important that we specify a mailing type, since everyone lives all across the country. And thus far, it looks like everyone on the list is here in the States.
I say Priority mail...padded envelope. For me to send a CD from Philadelphia to Los Angeles would cost approx. $5.75...and I'm highballing the weight at 2 pounds.
Is everyone okay with this?
How about in a jewel case, sent in a priority flat rate envelope (cardboard) for $3.85?
Oh damn. I wanna play. Is it too late?
This is too cool. I'll have to run out and buy a batch of envelopes. I wonder if they still sell those data mailer thingies ... perfect for sending CDs in ...
Interesting aside ... the person that I need to supply my address to is someone who already has it. I feel all comfortable and secure now ...
Originally posted by wolf
This is too cool. I'll have to run out and buy a batch of envelopes. I wonder if they still sell those data mailer thingies ... perfect for sending CDs in ...
Interesting aside ... the person that I need to supply my address to is someone who already has it. I feel all comfortable and secure now ...
me too
Originally posted by mrnoodle
Oh damn. I wanna play. Is it too late?
you're number 18.
i think this list might reach critical mass at 20 people. that's 40 weeks of travel for each disk. almost enough time to spawn a man child.
If its not to late I would also like to get in on this.
Originally posted by wolf
Interesting aside ... the person that I need to supply my address to is someone who already has it. I feel all comfortable and secure now ...
Yeah, I thought that was kind of convenient, too. :) Furthermore, I will be receiving CDs from Jeep'nGeorge, who used to live here in KC. Sounds almost predestined in some way.
Syc...are you pretty sure that your lady isn't a witch?
BTW, I'm down w/Priority Mail at $3.75. I've mailed out many CD's (fulfilling online purchases of Tristan and Iseult) over the years, and it works great. Even a padded envelope does the trick. Plus, you can purchase postage online, print it out on your printer, and have the USPS site make up your Priority Mailing label. You don't even have to leave the house as long as your postal carrier will pick up the package from your house!
Or buy the stamps in advance.
Originally posted by Brigliadore
If its not to late I would also like to get in on this.
you're #19
I vote that when we reach the halfway point of this cycle of exchanges, we each add another cd collection to the one we are sending out.
It cost just as much to send two CD's as it does to send one.
Then, when we get our own first CD back, we can replace it with a new one.
Another half cycle later we get the second CD we sent out back, and can send out another one as well.
The cycle can continue until we get sick of it.
I like that idea, too. I will be sending out 2 to begin with, because perth wants to make one, but not be part of the rotation. I figure we will see if we want to add 1 or 2 at the time this happens.
Originally posted by Slartibartfast
I vote that when we reach the halfway point of this cycle of exchanges, we each add another cd collection to the one we are sending out.
It cost just as much to send two CD's as it does to send one.
Then, when we get our own first CD back, we can replace it with a new one.
Another half cycle later we get the second CD we sent out back, and can send out another one as well.
The cycle can continue until we get sick of it.
i was thinking the same thing. This is now going to take 38 weeks to complete one cycle, and the second coming that others had refered to sounded good, but too far off to take seriously. The favorite band anthology has been suggested. We should entertain other possibilities as well. Should we wait 19 weeks before we begin phase 2, or should we nudge that up a bit?
Allrighty.... should be fun. I've got my list all ready, just have to produce the disc.
is everyone ok closing the list with 20 participants? that leaves one more sot open, and a 40 week rotation.
Before we start the 2nd CD, let's make sure the system works first...let's give it 2 months.
No need to limit the number of people involved...if we get 50, we get 50. If we stay at 19, then we stay at 19.
Case, tell James to quit being difficult. :)
Ep, Rho is not a Witch.
Noodle, make sure to send your address to Brigliadore. I'll send you Rho's address momentarily.
Does anyone have any recommendations for cd-cover maker software? I tried to look for some, but got so pissed off at all the registration BS in Windows programs that I just ended up using Photoshop.
Originally posted by sycamore
Ep, Rho is not a Witch.
I do hope you know that I meant that with total respect, even if as a slight joke. :D
I mean, *I'm* a witch, so I couldn't very well be dissing the fine lady in intimating that she might be one as well.
Count me in!
I love experiencing new music!
That is, if I"m not too late :)
re- issued, as the one on page nine is no longer editable
[COLOR=blue] Users Manual
[size=1]edited list in from future post[/size]
1. Zippyt
2. Sycamore
3. JeepnGeorge
4. Elspode
5. Wolf
6. blue58
7. Slartibartfast
8. SteveDallas
9. Cam
10. Jinx
11. perth
12. Hot Pastrami
13. Beestie
14. Case
15. lumberjim
16. Undertoad
17. LadySycamore
18. mrnoodle
19. Brigliadore
20. Dagney
21. [COLOR=INDIGO] OnyxCougar[/COLOR]
1. The sharing period is 2 weeks
2. We mail on Mondays
3. You mail only to the person below you on the list. If you are last, mail to the first person.
4. You promise not to copy any of these discs
5. You will only listen to your original versions of the songs from these discs between 12 AM and 1 AM EST, during which time, all collection CD's will not be listened to.
6. Violation of policies #4 and #5 will be met with a withering look from the moral majority.
7. You will not disclose on the public forum any of the song titles included on these discs, and will refer to them only by disc author and track number. Also, avoid using the song artist name when possible.
8. Reviews, and insights about the people who created the disc are acceptable. Given rule 7 is observed.
[/color]
insert your rules here.
Originally posted by sycamore
No need to limit the number of people involved...if we get 50, we get 50. If we stay at 19, then we stay at 19.
.
ok, i guess if we're going to be adding layers, it really doesn't matter.
Originally posted by lumberjim
ok, i guess if we're going to be adding layers, it really doesn't matter.
I think there should be a reasonable cut off time otherwise the person on the top of the list will have to give their address out again every time a new person is added. This is my opinion but I would say the cut off is something like the 27th at which time everyone can get the address in order and know who will be sending to whom. But thats just me.
Jimbo...what do you think?
--No newbies after 6PM EST Friday 2/27
--Anyone who still wants in on this needs to put their name in this thread ASAP
--After 6PM EST on 2/27, zippyt can look at the list and see whom he has to give his address to.
--Monday 3/1 is mailing day
sounds good. I think I'll start a fresh thread in my office to keep the list readily accessible. I'll start it after 6 on Friday with the final list, and Users manual. Any rule changes should be complete by then too, i reckon.
anyone wanna fine tune anything? Do we bother making specific mailing procedures, or just let people do what they will?
--After 6PM EST on 2/27, zippyt can look at the list and see whom he has to give his address to.
Cool with me , I will have a disk ready to mail off . Just in case i am unavailable ( i have BIG customers that demand my presents at odd times ) to mail it ,i will have my wife check for PMs from the mailer .
If you are the last on the list PLEASE PM me for the address ,if I don't pm you by 2/28 .
I already have a disk to send , but i may make another (all you creative folks have inspired me to find some more obscure tunes ).
Now rember I am origanly from MEMPHIS TN so i may come up with some unusual stuff .
How will we know when it is time to send out another disk ????
Originally posted by sycamore
Before we start the 2nd CD, let's make sure the system works first...let's give it 2 months.
No need to limit the number of people involved...if we get 50, we get 50. If we stay at 19, then we stay at 19.
If we got many more people, we could start a separate rotation.
I don't have anything of value to add here, but what's this crap about the Osmonds? How is it even fun to pick on me when I'm not here to take it? You guys suck. :)
If it's not too late, count me in. However you want to do it, I don't care. But one question. Can I make one disc *especially* for Syc and LJ?
Originally posted by perth
I don't have anything of value to add here, but what's this crap about the Osmonds? How is it even fun to pick on me when I'm not here to take it? You guys suck. :)
If it's not too late, count me in. However you want to do it, I don't care. But one question. Can I make one disc *especially* for Syc and LJ?
ya know, perth, i dont know why i pick on you. youve always been very polite to me. i guess it is because you had such a good humor about the blue cardigan jokes. yeah, let's add you onto the list, so we are consistant about how couples are treated.
case, i thik a separate rotation would be frought with confusion....better to have one list, methinks.
Originally posted by perth
If it's not too late, count me in. However you want to do it, I don't care. But one question. Can I make one disc *especially* for Syc and LJ?
Everyone knows you are just going to copy my disc. :)
LJ, that's cool. Just thought it might minimize confusion, but if it creates more then let's stick to the original plan.
I am bowing out of the CD exchange program, so there will be a spot for someone in my place.
Originally posted by lumberjim
ya know, perth, i dont know why i pick on you.
Aw, hell. I don't mind. I can take a joke. Jerk.
:)
And Case, why would I want to try to pass a cd of 80's music with a smattering of Radiohead off as my own?
Originally posted by Undertoad
I am bowing out of the CD exchange program, so there will be a spot for someone in my place.
knock it off. settle down. really
i want to hear yours
Originally posted by Undertoad
I am bowing out of the CD exchange program, so there will be a spot for someone in my place.
Oh hell no, you can bow out any time you want, but you can never leave!
Originally posted by Undertoad
PM me your address then.
actually, what i REALLY want is you to act like you.
think about it overnight before you bow out. please?
I tried to create a way to share the beauty I have found, and then blanched at the notion of sharing beauty with the first person I had to send it to.
Originally posted by perth
And Case, why would I want to try to pass a cd of 80's music with a smattering of Radiohead off as my own?
Because my disc wont consist of bohemian chick music. :D
foul
dont let a personal issue you're having with juju ruin this.
once you start shitlike that, it casts a pall on the whole project.
log off now, before you do anything else like this.
i'm mailing you a fatty tonight.
let's talk tomorrow
If it will be of any help whatsoever, I'll trade my slot with anyone else to make sure that any interpersonal problems are diluted.
LJ is right...let's not ball this up for any reason, the whole concept is just too damn good.
everyone please double check the order of the list. there has been a minor adjustment.
I'm back in, sending to LadySyc.
oh jesus christ....
Stay the course.
Is there someone who won't bother to send me the cd's. I know it's a little bit problematic and I couldn't blame anybody if you think it's getting too expensive and difficult to send cd's to Europe.
how much is it to send a cd from east coast US to ?belgium?
Uhh ermmm... I could check it out for tomorrow... Arround 3€ maybe without any case...
Why not put him (her) on the list, sandwiched between 2 who would send/receive mp3s. Oh wait, I'm going nowhere with this, that would break the chain, damnit there must be a way.
I'll be back when I get a chance to flush all the work crap outta my brain.
Are European CD players compatible?:confused:
Originally posted by Pi
Is there someone who won't bother to send me the cd's. I know it's a little bit problematic and I couldn't blame anybody if you think it's getting too expensive and difficult to send cd's to Europe.
Having worked for the post office I can tell you that mail to Europe can be tricky as it may take 2 weeks to get there and another 2 weeks to get back. There by messing up the rotation. BUT I don't want to leave anyone out so maybe if people are worried about mailing things to Europe then we can all just burn an extra CD for Pi and send it to him? I don't mind burning an extra one so he can enjoy the music as well.
Postage to Pi would be about $2.40 for airmail (calculated with a padded envelope, CD, and case) which takes 4-7 days but can often be delayed by the country it it being sent to's Customs office.
But I am cool no matter what is decided. Just trowing food for thought out there.
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Are European CD players compatible?:confused:
Yes.
ok i changed the order one last time.......now ( barring any premature ejacul...no , ejections) whoever adds on goes to the end of the list......plus i wasnt thrilled about bieng next to jinx.....you'd all get 2 similar cds in a row as we have approx the same tastes.
Originally posted by lumberjim
plus i wasnt thrilled about bieng next to jinx
Cookie!!
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Are European CD players compatible?:confused:
DVD's are also compatible, once you apply a patch to remove the region code.
[SIZE=1]no stupid hollywood marketroid is going to tell me I can't watch a DVD I buy anywhere I damn choose.[/SIZE]
That depends on the player. :(
Originally posted by Elspode
Yeah, I thought that was kind of convenient, too. :) Furthermore, I will be receiving CDs from Jeep'nGeorge, who used to live here in KC. Sounds almost predestined in some way.
Syc...are you pretty sure that your lady isn't a witch?
LOL, well I remember once that a self-proclaimed warlock said that he "sensed" that I could be a
White Witch.
But, I like the idea of using whatever powers I may have for evil if I have to *evil grin*:D
Originally posted by Elspode
I do hope you know that I meant that with total respect, even if as a slight joke. :D
I mean, *I'm* a witch, so I couldn't very well be dissing the fine lady in intimating that she might be one as well.
Oh listen you you! :blush: :blush: :blush:
Originally posted by Undertoad
I'm back in, sending to LadySyc.
Sweet!! I've seen your monster CD collection...can't wait! :)
Originally posted by sycamore
Jimbo...what do you think?
--Anyone who still wants in on this needs to put their name in this thread ASAP
[color=indigo]I'm in.[/color]
Originally posted by ladysycamore
LOL, well I remember once that a self-proclaimed warlock said that he "sensed" that I could be a White Witch.
At the risk of offending someone, I just cant resist...
Is that warlock speak for "I want in your pants"?
Originally posted by OnyxCougar
[color=indigo]I'm in.[/color]
ok
Originally posted by ladysycamore
LOL, well I remember once that a self-proclaimed warlock said that he "sensed" that I could be a White Witch.
But, I like the idea of using whatever powers I may have for evil if I have to *evil grin*:D
It has largely been my experience that anyone referring to themselves as a Warlock is either too stupid to know what the word really means, or, if they do know its legitimate meaning, that they are people you need to stay the hell away from because they're crazy.
But yeah, there's much to be said for being a traditional witch and not a Wiccan. Not for *me*, mind you, but for some...
Originally posted by Brigliadore
At the risk of offending someone, I just cant resist...
Is that warlock speak for "I want in your pants"?
Maybe, but not necessarily. People who call themselves Warlocks tend to fancy themselves as bad boys, and to consider all others as their playthings. Unfortunately, they're all wacko, too, so there's no real knowing just what their intentions are beyond trying to recall where their Lithium bottle went.
my sister used to date a "warlock"......or a "pagan" one of those biker gangs guys, ya know......and he was indeed a bad ass.....till my dad made him cry.
Strangely, LJ, those three things don't necessarily go together...:D
We may have to be very careful about sending stuff across international borders ... there may be some reg about copied music.
If there were a viable way to do this legally by email, anyone could play. hmmm. Anyone with broadband.
Is this just about ready to roll?
Final list LJ?
Separate thread for I sent it/I got it/everyone forward their last CD today, etc.?
Separate or same thread for comments? Or are we supposed to include a printed form that was mentioned earlier?
Sounds like some are doing priority mail, seems like overkill to me (plus I can't stand going to the fucking post office), I can just throw in an envelope here at work and it's on the way. Regular mail should we just send the friday before?
Any other issues not resolved? Is everyone in pretty much done with their discs?
The list will close on friday the 27th at 6pm est. 2 weeks is plenty of time, so mail in whatever maner you feel confident with. if you do not receive your disc as scheduled, pm the sender. in the event that a disc is lost or damaged, we will need to get it replaced asap, so keep your song lists available on your computer for that eventuality.
on the 27th, i will create a thread in lumberjim's office for all related comments, reviews, send reminders etc, so this doesnt clutter up the main area. i'll make it sticky so you can always find it easily. the first post will contain the user manual and the list.
i will attempt to track who should have who's disc there also.
i'd say this should be limited to the contiguous US...sorry, Pi. and other international members. we will have to play by ear any drop outs or other problems that arise.
Mine's done. I'm still working on cover art. UT is one lucky sumbitch, as he gets it first. I am concerned, howvere that he might wear it out, it's so good. I was bragging on it to H_P, and now he'll have to wait a good while for it. sorry, alan, i know this is probably tough on you.....be strong.
UT is one lucky sumbitch, as he gets it first.
I am SO sure that UT is just chompin' at the bit to get an anthology of Zamfir's greatest hits, Boxcar Willie live from the Bakersfield VFW, Polka - The Lost Tunes, Slim Whitman Seranades and 70's Sitcom Theme Songs. Oh, Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
:)
Hey now, the 70s theme songs & polka sound quite good actually.
Originally posted by Beestie
I am SO sure that UT is just chompin' at the bit to get an anthology of Zamfir's greatest hits, Boxcar Willie live from the Bakersfield VFW, Polka - The Lost Tunes, Slim Whitman Seranades and 70's Sitcom Theme Songs. Oh, Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
:)
smartass
Originally posted by lumberjim
i'd say this should be limited to the contiguous US...sorry, Pi. and other international members. we will have to play by ear any drop outs or other problems that arise.
Well no problem. I don't feel offended. But if someone wants to take the risk, I have my CD ready to send. Just PM me...
Originally posted by blue58
Separate thread for I sent it/I got it/everyone forward their last CD today, etc.?
Shouldn't this be done through PM, I mean does everyone really need to know that one person received their CD?
A comments forum I think would be fun.
I for one would like to include a comment form with my CD's whether or not there is one online. It makes a cool souvenir.
Originally posted by Slartibartfast
Shouldn't this be done through PM, I mean does everyone really need to know that one person received their CD?
A comments forum I think would be fun.
I for one would like to include a comment form with my CD's whether or not there is one online. It makes a cool souvenir.
that's a great idea, whoever thought of it
like the balloon we all released in 5th grade. enclose a sheet of paper with x amount of lines ( x being how many people are on the list) and when we get our cds back, we can read peoples thoughts on it.
i'll include that in the users manual when i do the final cut
[COLOR=indigo]What if people's thoughts are more than a line long?[/COLOR]
i was thinking we'd do the actual reviews online, but a nice little blurb in the written hand might be nice to retain by the creator of the disc. let's make that an optional item?
how about if we all just agree to forward AT LEAST what we received with the cd, and we can add to it (BE REASONABLE AND CONSIDER THAT FACT THAT IT WILL NEED TO BE SENT ALONG THE REST OF THE WAY) what ever we want ( AS LONG AS IT IS LEGAL TO MAIL) to the creator.
sound good?
Too bad we can't have full, open discussion on the CDs. I think that would be neat.
Can vBulletin (the Cellar's Message Board software) password protect a thread? If so, and we wanted to allow full discussion of each CD, we could have a unique thread for each CD, each password-protected. Then, we'd write each password on the appropriate CD, so no one could access the thread without at least receiving the CD.
Probably too much work though, eh? It would probbaly need a new forum for all those threads, then all those passwords to manage... I dunno. It sounded good in my head, but now that I type it out, I realize it's probbaly more effort than it's worth.
Originally posted by hot_pastrami
Too bad we can't have full, open discussion on the CDs. I think that would be neat.
Can vBulletin (the Cellar's Message Board software) password protect a thread? If so, and we wanted to allow full discussion of each CD, we could have a unique thread for each CD, each password-protected. Then, we'd write each password on the appropriate CD, so no one could access the thread without at least receiving the CD.
Probably too much work though, eh? It would probbaly need a new forum for all those threads, then all those passwords to manage... I dunno. It sounded good in my head, but now that I type it out, I realize it's probbaly more effort than it's worth.
How about we create a forum for each CD and label the forum properly. Allow discussion of that CD only in its forum. Then the people that want to be surprised just avoid going into that forum. We don't have to password protect it, we're all adults, right?:confused:
Originally posted by Slartibartfast
we're all adults, right?:confused:
Oh, look. Now you made me go and get my ten-foot pole out, just so I could NOT touch that statement with it.
no, the main reason i didnt want to name the songs was because of potential trouble with some particular artists' company that somehow came accross this site and realized we were sharing their music.....
ya know?
if it is kept general, i think less attention would be paid.......or maybe dar just has me paranoid?
Originally posted by lumberjim
if it is kept general, i think less attention would be paid.......or maybe dar just has me paranoid?
I have a friend that used to always exchange mix tapes over Usenet. But times have changed, and I have to agree with your paranoia LJ.
How hard would it be to create a password protected forum?
This is the solution: we can have a hidden forum and link it in from somewhere else. That's what the archives is. I then set up the forum as restricted and only available to the 20 cd exchange users. Google can't get in.
This also limits all other cellar users, which might not be good (exclusivity) so we should have a handshake agreement not to talk about anything not music-xchange related in there.
first rule of cd club don't talk about cd club
I don't have to make soap from human fat, do I?
Originally posted by Undertoad
... so we should have a handshake agreement ...
Along with your cd, send your detached non-dominant hand.
Everyone in the chain will get a chance to shake it, and you get it back in a few weeks.
After we reach the end of the cycle and each of us has our own CD back in hand, will we be required to post a video of the CD being physically destroyed? :shotgun:
Originally posted by Slartibartfast
Along with your cd, send your detached non-dominant hand.
I'm ambidextrous. Do I have to send both? And if so, how the hell am I suppose to enjoy the link UT posted in the "virtual celebrity something something" thread?
Originally posted by perth
I'm ambidextrous. Do I have to send both? And if so, how the hell am I suppose to enjoy the link UT posted in the "virtual celebrity something something" thread?
I gotcha covered, perthy. ;) Although, my left hand is not exactly coordinated enough to use a mouse. :rolleyes:
Uh... you're in the exchange too, case.
[SIZE=1]lotsa barefoot nights this spring[/SIZE]
Originally posted by Undertoad
Uh... you're in the exchange too, case.
[SIZE=1]lotsa barefoot nights this spring[/SIZE]
I know, and since I have to give up my right hand, I only have my left with which to use the computer.
Er, did I miss something?
<shutting up>
:cool:
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I recreated my mix, as the first one I made was not to my satsifaction. It was a little too jarring. The new one is better, but not autobiographical like the first was. I can't wait to do this! :D
Originally posted by case
Er, did I miss something?
I think so.
Originally posted by perth
I think so.
I am just not on it, today, am I? First, it was Jamie Oliver and now this. I need a drink tonight, perth. Do we have any liquor at home?
Whatever happens from here on out, I remind you to think like NBN and bring your digital cam.
[SIZE=1]we await the quality images thread[/SIZE]
Did you forget to charge the camera again, perth?
Damn.
:D
Does this mean the cellar finally gets an amateur porn forum?!
That would be like Home Depot selling beer!
[i]Originally posted by the Cruise Director:
This is the solution: ...details, details, details...
You rock.
The CMEP forum is only available to cellar music exchange project members. Ask UT for the link...
I can post a link to it on my blog (I plan on doing that anyway to make it easier for ME to find :) )
Let me know if ya'll want the addy
i want to be a part of this. it's only tuesday, so i'm not too late am i? somebody please get back to me...
ok, stacy. get to work on that cd
make it a good one.....no pressure
I put a fresh list in the cmep forum, y'all...check back often for changes
what is the cmep forum? also, i was unable to use that private link posted earlier...please help.
thanks, undertoad. i get it now...i am working on my cd!!
Can everyone just bookmark the CMEP forum link?
Originally posted by Undertoad
Can everyone just bookmark the CMEP forum link?
I agree, and I think this thread should self destruct in 10..9..8..
(can't delete my own post, imagine I never did write anything)