Future Unpopular Acts in Bush's Second Term

Ok, let's assume that Bush wins a second term. Since he no longer has to run for re-election, the gloves come off. What do you think his most controversial acts will be if Bush wins a second term?

I'll start.

1) Pardon Kenneth Lay - The government is still trying to build a case. If they do, then it will be years until the trial is over. If Lay is convicted during Bush's second term, look for a pardon in the months before Bush leaves office.

--Some limitation of abortion
--Prayer in schools
--A Constitutional amendment banning gay marriages
--Completion of the missile defense system

I fear that deal making for some other bill (like on abortion) will result in extending and expanding the assault weapons ban. But that would occur on this term ... Yeah, I'm personalizing. So what?

I'm not sure how controversial it would be but I am hoping for some tort reform at least in the area of medical malpractice. There has to be some kind of check and balance installed that penalizes trivial lawsuits and caps punitive damages. Personally, I think punitive damages should bypass the plaintiff and the fee split and go directly to a victim compensation fund. That alone would curb a lot of abuse. Senseless lawsuits, obscene "I just won the lottery because my bed pan wasn't changed often enough" awards together with the cost of malpractice insurance premiums are ruining our health care system.

But, to get back on topic, here are some controversial things Bush might do if re-elected:

[list]
[*]Fire George Tenet
[*]Beat up George Tenant
[*]Appoint John Kerry US ambassador to Iraq.
[*]Allow John Ashcroft to come to work wearing nothing but a white robe, a bishop's hat and a staff.
[*]Unpardon all of Clinton's last second pardons, then repardon them then unpardon them again just to screw with them.
[*]Sell the naming rights to the White House and keep the money.
[*]Invade Cuba and arrest Castro for his ties to Iran.
[*]Classify Al Franken as an enemy combatent and send him to Guantanamo for a couple years.
[/list]

I doubt it on the abortion front. I believe the official administration position is that society is not "ready" for an abortion ban. More importantly, actual movement on this issue would motivate the opposition like nothing else, and this is what they hope to avoid in order to keep this a 50-50 nation.

The correct formula for politicians in the modern era: make noise that will please your base and get them to give you money, but don't actually DO anything, because this will cause people to give your opponent money.

Yep. Same goes for the Assault Weapon Ban. If it gets renewed, it won't be part of a Bush deal because he'd lose more than he gains. Instead, it'll be one of those middle-of-the-night riders stuck onto some unrelated bill.

Instead, Bush's second term will consist mostly of more assaults on civil liberty, more bones thrown to the old people, more national mandates on education, and a lot of contradictory motion on immigration and tariffs. (on the latter, he'll institute tarriffs to placate labor, only to remove them when the Court of International Trade rules against them, placating importers and leaving the Court of International Trade as the bad guys)

Appoint Jeb to some job that will give him more national prominence. After he delivers Florida again, of course.:cool:

I think he'll be caught giving oral to a whitehouse intern.

....but he'll destroy the blue suit that has the DNA on it.
but, i'm big on symmetry, so i might just be making that up

Originally posted by Undertoad
....... but don't actually DO anything, because this will cause people to give your opponent money.

Just the modern era? Dems have been using this technique for 40 years. Elect us and we'll fix.....racism, poverty, corruption, etc,etc.

I'm pretty sure he'll set up a national ID system. Unfortunately for us citizens, it won't be an ID card. The ID will be a small suppository radio trasmitter that is activated at will by the police applying a mild electric charge to the buttocks (mild electric charge == tazer).
ZZZzzzaaappp!

Originally posted by headsplice
I'm pretty sure he'll set up a national ID system. Unfortunately for us citizens, it won't be an ID card. The ID will be a small suppository radio trasmitter that is activated at will by the police applying a mild electric charge to the buttocks (mild electric charge == tazer).
ZZZzzzaaappp!

RFID as discussed in another thread. Patriot Act III - straight out of a Nazi in a WWII movie: "Where are your papers?" But then Nazis also were only extremists running a government. Another political party that also saw enemies everywhere; blamed minorities for their problems; drove scientists out of the country using political agendas; and as a result created those enemies.

Originally posted by Beestie
[list]
[*]Fire George Tenet
[*]Beat up George Tenant
[*]Appoint John Kerry US ambassador to Iraq.
[*]Allow John Ashcroft to come to work wearing nothing but a white robe, a bishop's hat and a staff.
[*]Unpardon all of Clinton's last second pardons, then repardon them then unpardon them again just to screw with them.
[*]Sell the naming rights to the White House and keep the money.
[*]Invade Cuba and arrest Castro for his ties to Iran.
[*]Classify Al Franken as an enemy combatent and send him to Guantanamo for a couple years.
[/list]

Stop it. You're giving me a woody.

By the way, did anyone know that both the assault weapons ban and the Brady Bill sunset this year? (crosses fingers....come on George, you can do it...).

Seriously, though, I don't see Bush doing anything that will jeopardize our chances at keeping the white house in 2008. That's when we'll have to worry about Hillary anyway, and we need to make sure we don't come across as too right wing. Sad but true. If by chance this year is a republican knock-out punch - say Kerry gets caught with a transvestite hooker or something - then all bets are off. Fair or not, another scandal on the left would gut the democratic party.

"Where are your papers?" But then Nazis also were only extremists running a government.

First they came for the communists,
and I did not speak out
because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I did not speak out
because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
-Martin Niemoller

Originally posted by headsplice
(mild electric charge == tazer).
ZZZzzzaaappp!

A quick tangent...

The Taser goes civilian in July with an entry model at $399.

Time to play light up the bad guys.

Originally posted by Archer


First they came for the communists,
and I did not speak out
because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I did not speak out
because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
-Martin Niemoller

I've been thinking about Niemoller more and more lately. If you think about it, the early Nazi campaign might have appealed to certain conservative elements. After all, Berlin in the 1930's had a lot of freewheeling sex. At first, it probably seemed like a nice 'clean up' campaign.

We Americans do not understand a lot of the history of the Holocaust, and that the death camps, gas chambers, and ovens did not get thrown up overnight. They were the end of a long road that began by a group coming into power and taking care of various 'problem elements' who did not have much popular support.

They made us Jews wear yellow stars and homosexuals wear pink triangles. I don't know if the Gypsies, politcial prisoners like Niemoller, or ethnic Poles had their own symbols.

Niemoller started out as a sympathizer with the Nazis, but later, as he watched where they were going, had an attack of conscience and spoke out against them, for which he was imprisoned.

I find his story hopeful and terrifying at the same time. It shows that people can reach into themselves and find the courage to go against what they initially supported when they realize where it will lead. On the other hand, his obervation about the majority who supported the Nazis or looke the other way terrifies me. After all, ethnic Japanese in this country went into detention camps as a security measure, something we did not consider doing to any other ethnic group whose homeland we were at war with.

I'd really like to see a History Channel program on his life. It's the right time for it.

Originally posted by richlevy
......politcial prisoners like Niemoller, or ethnic Poles had their own symbols........

<a href="http://flagspot.net/flags/pl_aw1.html" <a> political prisoners - upside down red triangle </a>

It seems that every group and subgroup had their own symbol.

Originally posted by richlevy
.......started out as a sympathizer with the Nazis, but later, as he watched where they were going, had an attack of conscience and spoke out against them, for which he was imprisoned.

Niemoller wasnt the only turncoat Nazi, Schindler is another more famous example. Schindler was not a sympathizer but actually a party member and had the unique ability to use his contacts to save as many Jews as he could. Anyway, we've all seen the movie.

I also wanted to add was that there were millions of Christians also killed by the Nazis, but they were not killed in camps.

Originally posted by richlevy
After all, ethnic Japanese in this country went into detention camps as a security measure, something we did not consider doing to any other ethnic group whose homeland we were at war with.

Though this was a terrible thing, they were not tortured and killed as I remember. IRC they did lose their businesses.

So you're saying that the American people do or did have much of the same complacency toward certain minorities in times of war or crisis as the German people did during the Nazi regime? And that we should see that as a warning to ourselves....that even we, the great believers of truth and justice, fell into the same trap?

Originally posted by slang


Though this was a terrible thing, they were not tortured and killed as I remember. IRC they did lose their businesses.

So you're saying that the American people do or did have much of the same complacency toward certain minorities in times of war or crisis as the German people did during the Nazi regime? And that we should see that as a warning to ourselves....that even we, the great believers of truth and justice, fell into the same trap?

I don't know if complacency is the word I would use. Animosity and racial prejudice are more accurate, IMO. The irony is that I read a book about active German spy cells in the US during WWII. In some cases, pro-German sympathizers were given a great deal of freedom. This should not be surprising in a free country, except when compared to the treatment of Japanese Americans.

As for losing their businesses and homes, that is another byproduct of prejudice. It can be very profitable for groups willing to prey on those disenfranchised by prejudice. Anti-Semitism has made many people and institutions rich.

As for a warning, I do believe that we should scrutinize every action taken on our behalf. Secret trials are a very dangerous precedent. I can see a dozen men being so dangerous that they must be tried in secret courts to prevent the downfall of this country. When it approaches hundreds, I'll know that we have entered a very dark place.

It looks like Kenneth Lay doesn't like the election odds. If he doesn't get a conviction in by the time GWB leaves, he has to hope for a pardon from Kerry.

Lay had asked for a separate Sept. 14 trial, and told U.S. District Judge Sim Lake he'd give up his right to face a jury and leave his fate in the judge's hands if that would result in a speedy prosecution.

A presidential pardon for Ken Lay would be political Bush suicide, I think. A lot of Republicans got swindled by the Enron orgy, too, and I'm pretty sure they want their pounds of flesh. I don't think GWB has any admiration for people who are too frigging greedy to swindle people without even a modicum of subtlety.

If Bush gets a second term, I would imagine he'll spend a lot of time trying to get some conservative judges on the Federal benches in an effort to stem the rising tide of judicial activism. Are there any of the less conservative amongst the Supremes nearing retirement time? The prospect of replacing one of them would surely give Dubya an enormous woody.

I agree with the probable grooming of Jeb during a second Dubya term as well. He would be the likely successor to the Bush monarchy. Hell, positioning him for the Presidency might well be the price of his silence over the 2000 election rigging anyway.

Look for the draft to be restored. Politically, not a great move, but I don't see Dubya's offensive anti-terrorism defense backing down any time soon, and that's going to require more young warm bodies. Plus, there needs to be some contingency in case Kim Jong Il or the Iranians go off their nuts. Further erosion in civil rights is a certainty. There will never be a better excuse than terrorism, and a fascist like Bush isn't going to let that threat go to waste (yes, I said fascist. I am unable to come to any other conclusion, based on his flagrant flouting of the parts of The Constitution that don't suit him).

Further relaxation of environmental standards, expanded cutting on government forest lands, reduction in entitlement programs and additional tax cuts for the upper incomes are likely prospects as well.

I'm sure I could think of more, but it makes my head hurt.

Scuttlebutt around Midland, TX (I have a friend who lives there) was that Jeb was to be the candidate and Dubya scooped him.

Elspode wrote:

..Look for the draft to be restored.....

I was just talking with the Marine recruiter today. He stops in the shop quite a bit.

Draft vs raising the age limit.

The draft would be a real problem, yes, but if the requirements were altered a bit, I think they may not even need it.

There are more than a few relatively fit "slighty over age limit" men in this country that would sign up, if they could. I would rather than re-instating the draft.

If I could get stationed with or near some of my family, all the better.

You may not look around where you are right now and see boatloads of such people but I think there would be a substancial number throughout the US. Enough to make a difference.

As the need for troops increased at the end of WWII, my granpappy was drafted. He had 18 years into a career at the some company....a wife....and 4 kids....and was 36 years old.

My cousin is flying helicopters in active service now...........he's 45, with a wife and 2 kids

I certainly hope that I would be able to join as opposed to drafting someone that truly did not want to go, has kids, life, etc

We'll see how desparate they get...and when.

as it is you can enter the service up to age 35. forced retirement isn't until age 60 for most career fields.

Elspode wrote:

A presidential pardon for Ken Lay would be political Bush suicide, I think. A lot of Republicans got swindled by the Enron orgy, too, and I'm pretty sure they want their pounds of flesh. I don't think GWB has any admiration for people who are too frigging greedy to swindle people without even a modicum of subtlety.

Which is why it would not occur during reelection. If he was on the energy task force, which even the GAO failed to find out thanks to a ferocious White House defense, then he has a lot of leverage. I don't know what he heard, but energy is tied to oil and oil is tied to Iraq so there might be something potentially embarrassing there.

It could be that he intends to trade on his friendship with the President, in which case an early trial would be in case GWB does not win. If he wants to use leverage and has enough information to embarass the president but not to trigger impeachment, that is only good up to election day. With the Republicans in charge and mostly in line, the impeachment bar would be high.

A good portion of this country have turned their brains off when it comes to supporting Bush, so if he gave a nice speech about Lay's family values, the need for compassion, maybe a few hints about a liberal conspiracy, he could muddy the waters enough to slide by. It would certainly be safer than having Lay detail a meeting at which Cheney comes into the room and poses a 'what if we controlled Iraqi oil' question.

Just a thought.

Bush has said he will sign the assault weapons ban if it crosses his desk. I'll give some things he will do if elected (which won't happen) and some things he's likely to do. All of which are nightmares.

WILL DO:

[list][*]Sign the FTAA (Free Trade Area of the Americas) agreement
[*]Increase Taxes
[*]Sign the assault weapons ban
[*]Appoint a conservative USSC member who will likely limit abortions
[*]Sign the Patriot Act II
[*]Attempt to pass a no gay marriage amendment (which will fail)
[*]Break his own record setting deficit spending
[*]Increase the size, scope, cost, and intrusiveness of government[/list]

LIKELY TO DO:

[list][*]Invade Iran and Cuba (But not North Korea because they have nuclear weapons)
[*]Make some kind of new legislation mixing church and state for social welfare reasons
[*]Re-instate the draft and send more people into Iraq, and into the other wars he'll start
[*]Become the victim of an assassination. (Ok, this one isn't such a nightmare)[/list]

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