Riddles

lumberjim • Jan 20, 2004 10:55 pm
Three brothers check into a hotel. The clerk at the desk tells them that the room will be $30 for the night. Each brother takes a $10 bill out of their pocket and hand it over to the clerk. The Clerk hands them their key, and the bell hop takes the bags and the brothers up to the room.

When the bellhop returns, the clerk, being an honest clerk, tells him that he accidentally overcharged the brothers. The room should have been $25. So he tells the Bell hop to take five $1 bills back up to the brothers.

The bellhop, being of the criminal sort, realizes that there are three brothers, and if he just kept two, each would get one dollar back, and all would be even. So he does. The brothers are happy to get a dollar back, and they thoroughly enjoy their stay.

Now.

Let's do the math. If each brother had laid out ten, and gotten one back, they each spent nine. right? and the bell hop kept two, right. ok. three times nine is twentyseven.....plus two is twentynine. they started with thirty. Where's that other dollar, goddamnit?!
Slartibartfast • Jan 20, 2004 11:20 pm
My philosophy teacher presented this particular 'riddle' as proof that lawyers should all be shot - as words and phrasing questions the right way can twist reality.

I'll keep my mouth shut about the answer to this, I want to see someone else tackle the question.:p
elSicomoro • Jan 20, 2004 11:29 pm
The room was $25 for the night for all three of them. The bellhop kept $2. The brothers each got $1 back.

25+2+3=30
That Guy • Jan 20, 2004 11:43 pm
"Please enter, my dear Aunt Sally."

Remember your order of operations.
Beestie • Jan 20, 2004 11:53 pm
Where's that other dollar?

What "other" dollar? Be specific :)
Sun_Sparkz • Jan 21, 2004 12:30 am
Did the hotel under charge by $1??

the bellhop stole $2, leaving $3 for the boys...
so it is
3 x 10 = 30
30 - 25 = 5
5 - 3 = 2
so $28 dollars have gone to the boys
if its $9 each they pay = 27
lumberjim • Jan 21, 2004 9:17 am
Originally posted by Beestie

What "other" dollar? Be specific :)
three times nine is twentyseven.....plus two is twentynine. they started with thirty



the dollar between 29 & 30
SteveDallas • Jan 21, 2004 9:26 am
Originally posted by That Guy
"Please enter, my dear Aunt Sally."

Remember your order of operations.


I remember "my dear aunt Sally," but what do P & E stand for?
vsp • Jan 21, 2004 9:31 am
Originally posted by lumberjim
Let's do the math. If each brother had laid out ten, and gotten one back, they each spent nine. right? and the bell hop kept two, right. ok. three times nine is twentyseven.....plus two is twentynine. they started with thirty. Where's that other dollar, goddamnit?!


Sycamore already nailed it, but I'll rephrase it:

Three times nine is twenty-seven... MINUS (not PLUS) the two that the bellhop kept is twenty-five, which is what the actual bill was. The other three dollars from the original $30 are right where they should be, in the brothers' pockets.
lumberjim • Jan 21, 2004 9:39 am
Originally posted by vsp


Sycamore already nailed it, but I'll rephrase it:

Three times nine is twenty-seven... MINUS (not PLUS) the two that the bellhop kept is twenty-five, which is what the actual bill was. The other three dollars from the original $30 are right where they should be, in the brothers' pockets.


YEP, THAT'S IT


OK SOMEBODY ELSE GIVE UP A RIDDLE
Kitsune • Jan 21, 2004 10:09 am
A man is found dead in a field and next to him is a package. If he would have managed to open the package while he was still alive, he would have survived. The package does not contain food, water, or medicine. What's in the package?
SteveDallas • Jan 21, 2004 10:13 am
A mobile phone?
novice • Jan 21, 2004 10:15 am
El Parachuto.
Kitsune • Jan 21, 2004 10:16 am
Originally posted by novice
El Parachuto.


Yay! The lateral puzzles rule.
novice • Jan 21, 2004 10:17 am
Close call steve.
based on the info it's impossible to rule either right or wrong IMHO
lumberjim • Jan 21, 2004 10:20 am
Originally posted by That Guy
"Please enter, my dear Aunt Sally."

Remember your order of operations.


not familiar with this.....what does it relate to?
novice • Jan 21, 2004 10:21 am
A person is found hanged in a room with no ingress or egress points other than a door, locked from the inside. There is nothing in the room except for a puddle of liquid under the corpse,
Murder or suicide? What happened?
Kitsune • Jan 21, 2004 10:22 am
Originally posted by novice
A person is found hanged in a room with no ingress or egress points other than a door, locked from the inside. There is nothing in the room except for a puddle of liquid under the corpse,
Murder or suicide? What happened?


Suicide, but I'll let someone else figure out why. :D
Beestie • Jan 21, 2004 10:22 am
vsp nailed it but I had already put this together so I'll post it anyway and thank lumberjim for clearly demonstrating why none of us has a chance in hell once we set foot into the finance manager's office :)

I'll start with a ledger (i.e., something they keep two of in car dealerships :-). Also, I'll make a simplifying assumption and think of the three brothers as one customer. The way the question is worded implies that the person asking is tallying up the dollars and is one short. Everyone's net position is shown before and after each transaction. At any point, the two sides of the ledger when added, must equal zero.
[FONT=courier new]

Customer [COLOR=red]-30[/COLOR], Bellhop ±0 || Hotel +30 (Initial transaction)
Customer_ +3, Bellhop +2 || Hotel_ [COLOR=red]-5[/COLOR] (The refund)
--------------------------------------------------------
Customer [COLOR=red]-27[/COLOR], Bellhop +2 || Hotel +25 (The end result)
[/FONT]

vsp's answer is now clear - the sign on the 2 and the 27 are not the same so the "29" never existed anywhere but in the question.
lumberjim • Jan 21, 2004 10:24 am
it's urine. suicide.
novice • Jan 21, 2004 10:27 am
It most assuredly is not urine!
lumberjim • Jan 21, 2004 10:30 am
why not? if you kill yourself, you lose control of your bowels, you'd pee, there would be a puddle.
novice • Jan 21, 2004 10:33 am
Fuck shit damn piss hell quite right, but wrong, for the purposes of THIS riddle
novice • Jan 21, 2004 10:34 am
incidentally, wasn't that Indigo Montoya?
lumberjim • Jan 21, 2004 10:40 am
yeah, but as dave so eloquently pointed out, it's actually "inyego"

i love the princess bride...right up there with the holy grail in it's quotablility
SteveDallas • Jan 21, 2004 10:43 am
Originally posted by novice
Close call steve.
based on the info it's impossible to rule either right or wrong IMHO

Yeah if the question had said "dead apparently due to having slammed into the ground at high speed" the parachute would look like a better answer!

As for the urine/suicide issue, wouldn't the bladder release issue be equally true if somebody else hanged you?
novice • Jan 21, 2004 10:46 am
I'm shithouse as far as literal quotes go but I remember many of the scenes, in particular the poisoned goblet switcheroo. Definitely a classic. Had it in my hand at the video store two nights ago but it's so memorable I don't need to watch it again yet.
Incidentally, riddle wise, the liquid was water. The person stood on a block of ice to get in the noose then 'melted' to death.
SteveDallas • Jan 21, 2004 10:47 am
Originally posted by lumberjim


not familiar with this.....what does it relate to?

I'm surprised... all that math you do at work... tho I guess they have computers to handle all the heavy lifting!

My Dear Aunt Sally
Multiplication Division Addition Subtraction

This is the order in which you perform math operations in a situation where you have mixed operations and no parentheses to group things. (So 3 + 4 x 7 is always evaluated as 31, not 49.)

But I don't know what P and E are for... I guess P is Parentheses?
lumberjim • Jan 21, 2004 10:47 am
yeah, but the door is locked from the inside.

ok, if it;s not pee, then i give. what is it?
novice • Jan 21, 2004 10:51 am
It's a big puddle of REFRESH
lumberjim • Jan 21, 2004 10:52 am
Originally posted by SteveDallas

I'm surprised... all that math you do at work... tho I guess they have computers to handle all the heavy lifting!

My Dear Aunt Sally
Multiplication Division Addition Subtraction

This is the order in which you perform math operations in a situation where you have mixed operations and no parentheses to group things. (So 3 + 4 x 7 is always evaluated as 31, not 49.)

But I don't know what P and E are for... I guess P is Parentheses?


yeah. i'd be fucked without my computer. i never heard that particular anagram, but i knew the rules. i was always good at solving word problems, but my teachers always got pissed cuz i rarely showed my work. i kind of sort shit out logically, then apply the results to check accuracy.
jinx • Jan 21, 2004 10:55 am
It's water. From the ice s/he stood on to hang him/herself.
perth • Jan 21, 2004 10:57 am
Originally posted by lumberjim
yeah, but the door is locked from the inside.

ok, if it;s not pee, then i give. what is it?

A melted block of ice.
lumberjim • Jan 21, 2004 10:57 am
ok , it's water, but it's pissy water. :)
Kitsune • Jan 21, 2004 11:41 am
This riddle comes in the form of a cryptic e-mail.

"Subject: c7362210/828 645 393
Message: please read discrep correct ord & re release i routed to qs que

-renee"

My office -- where people are so lazy with their typing their e-mails become riddles. The meaning? Your guess is as good as mine.
hot_pastrami • Jan 21, 2004 12:30 pm
There are 5 houses in a row on a street, all of different colors. In each house lives a person with a different nationality. These 5 owners each drink a certain drink, smoke a certain brand of cigar, and keep a certain pet. No two owners have the same pet, smoke the same brand of cigar, or drink the same drink.

The riddle is -- WHO OWNS THE FISH?

Here is all the information you have to figure it out:
<ul>
<li>the Brit lives in the red house
<li>the Swede keeps dogs as pets
<li>the Dane drinks tea
<li>the green house is on the left of the white house
<li>the green house owner drinks coffee
<li>the person who smokes Pall Mall rears birds
<li>the owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill
<li>the man living in the house right in the center drinks milk
<li>the Norwegian lives in the first house
<li>the man who smokes blends lives next to the one who keeps cats
<li>the man who keeps horses lives next to the one who smokes Dunhill
<li>the owner who smokes Bluemaster drinks beer
<li>the German smokes prince
<li>the Norwegian lives next to the blue house
<li>the man who smokes blends has a neighbor who drinks water.
</ul>

Edit: I forgot to say... the "first" house in the clue above refers to the left-most house.
lumberjim • Jan 21, 2004 12:37 pm
OH CHRIST

i dont have that kind of time! i'll tell you tomorrow!
hot_pastrami • Jan 21, 2004 12:58 pm
Well, ok... here's an easier one in the meantime. This one works better when asked verbally, because it's cool to watch how long it takes someone to think of a solution:

[color=blue]There are three light bulbs in a room with no windows, and a closed door. In front of you are three on-off switches. You know that each switch controls one of the light bulbs inside the room, but you don't know which switch matches which bulb, and they are not wired in any particular order.

Your job is to match each switch to it's bulb. You may only enter the room once, and you may not leave the door open. How do you accomplish your task?
[/color]

I heard this one from a client of mine... he's a site manager for a Microsoft call center. Apparently, this is one of the questions an interviewer at Microsoft will ask potential employees during an interview, to test their reasoning skills.

He told me about how he was sitting in a management meeting at Microsoft with about twenty other managers when someone posed this very question of the group... he bragged that he was he only one to come up with the answer, and it only took him about twenty minutes. So he put the riddle to my friend and I, and I figured it out almost immediately. I think I stole the pride he'd had in answering it in "only" twenty minutes. Heheh.

Incidentally, my friend later came up with a different answer than I did, which is still a valid solution, but not nearly as elegant.

Edit: I added "on-off" to the description of the switches, to clarify the fact that you know which position will turn the bulb on, and which will turn it off.
plthijinx • Jan 21, 2004 1:04 pm
maybe this is the easy way out, but just flip all the switches and go in the room. they'll all be on. or open the door before you go in and match the switches to the bulbs.
Radar • Jan 21, 2004 1:09 pm
The German owns the fish.
SteveDallas • Jan 21, 2004 1:10 pm
Yeah, the coffe-drinking, prince-smoking German in the green house! :)
hot_pastrami • Jan 21, 2004 1:12 pm
Originally posted by plthijinx
maybe this is the easy way out, but just flip all the switches and go in the room. they'll all be on. or open the door before you go in and match the switches to the bulbs.

"you may not leave the door open"

Also, flipping ALL the switches on does not indicate which switch goes to which bulb, it just shows that they all work.
perth • Jan 21, 2004 1:15 pm
Originally posted by hot_pastrami
[color=blue]There are three light bulbs in a room with no windows, and a closed door. In front of you are three switches. You know that each switch controls one of the light bulbs inside the room, but you don't know which switch matches which bulb, and they are not wired in any particular order.

Your job is to match each switch to it's bulb. You may only enter the room once, and you may not leave the door open. How do you accomplish your task?[/color]

Flip the first switch. Wait about 2 minutes. Turn it off, flip the second switch. enter the room. The lit light is controlled by switch 2. The off, but warm light is connected to switch 1. The last light is controlled by 3. :)
hot_pastrami • Jan 21, 2004 1:17 pm
Originally posted by perth

Flip the first switch. Wait about 2 minutes. Turn it off, flip the second switch. enter the room. The lit light is controlled by switch 2. The off, but warm light is connected to switch 1. The last light is controlled by 3. :)

He's good. That's the right answer.

My friend's answer was this: Turn on a switch, then leave it on for a few years, enough time that it burns out. Turn on another switch, then enter the room. The burned-out light is switch #1, the light that is on is switch #2, and the light which is off is switch #3. Sloppy, but technically ok.
perth • Jan 21, 2004 1:26 pm
A man lies dead in a dark alley. Police find him surrounded by 52 bicycles. What happened?
hot_pastrami • Jan 21, 2004 1:28 pm
Originally posted by Radar
The German owns the fish.

Yup. Knowing the answer in advance doesn't ruin the fun of solving the riddle, though, so anybody who hasn't tried to reason it out yet ought to. It's an interesting exercise in logic.

This riddle is often attributed to Einstein, which is most likely untrue, but I don't know for certain.
Kitsune • Jan 21, 2004 1:29 pm
Originally posted by perth
A man lies dead in a dark alley. Police find him surrounded by 52 bicycles. What happened?


Exploding deck of cards?
perth • Jan 21, 2004 1:41 pm
Originally posted by Kitsune


Exploding deck of cards?

Close enough. :) Should have mentioned a stab or bullet wound, hunh?
Kitsune • Jan 21, 2004 1:44 pm
Close enough. Should have mentioned a stab or bullet wound, hunh?

Shows you how broken my brain is, huh? 52 is the number of cards in a deck! Bicycles are a brand of cards! How'd they get everywhere, though? Surely it must have exploded.
Happy Monkey • Jan 21, 2004 2:47 pm
He cheated at cards, the table was upended, and he was killed.
Happy Monkey • Jan 21, 2004 2:50 pm
Originally posted by hot_pastrami

My friend's answer was this: Turn on a switch, then leave it on for a few years, enough time that it burns out. Turn on another switch, then enter the room. The burned-out light is switch #1, the light that is on is switch #2, and the light which is off is switch #3. Sloppy, but technically ok.
You can speed it up by flipping switch one on and off for a few months, instead of leaving it on for years.

And I guess both solutions would be complicated if a bulb was bad to begin with.
Slartibartfast • Jan 21, 2004 3:13 pm
Okay, here is one riddle I heard, I think it is from some card game called mindtrap or something like that.


You are locked in a room, only one exit. To get out there is a combination
lock.

There is a circular hole in the ground about two inches in diameter and about five inches deep. At the bottom of the hole is a ping pong ball, with the combination to the lock written on the side.

How do you get out of the room?



Some points of clarifications.

You can't manage to read the combination without getting the ping pong ball into your hands and looking at it real close.

You have no tools. Heck, let's even say you have no clothes either.

Your fingers can't reach in and pluck the ping pong ball out, it's too far in, and your whole hand doesn't fit in the hole.

The room has no resources for you to use. It's an empty bank vault or something equally inhospitable.
hot_pastrami • Jan 21, 2004 3:14 pm
Originally posted by Slartibartfast
How do you get out of the room?

Can you pee in the hole to make the ball float up?
Slartibartfast • Jan 21, 2004 3:17 pm
Originally posted by hot_pastrami

Can you pee in the hole to make the ball float up?


Okay, you answered that way too fast!

That's the answer.
hot_pastrami • Jan 21, 2004 3:22 pm
Originally posted by Slartibartfast
Okay, you answered that way too fast!

That's the answer.

I just know the answer because that exact scenario actually happened to me once... and I swore I'd never touch tequila again!

Something about the riddle's explanation made the answer obvious to me for some reason... first I thought maybe you'd put your mouth over the hole and suck it out, but that wouldn't work unless there was an air hole on the bottom, and you had the sucking power of a five-dollar hooker. Then I turned to the universal solution... urine!
Beestie • Jan 21, 2004 3:24 pm
Can you pee in the hole to make the ball float up?

Hopefully, the pee won't dissolve the ink :)
Slartibartfast • Jan 21, 2004 3:26 pm
Here's one for you math folks.

Escherland has a really cool hotel - it has an infinite number of rooms!

A VIP guest arrives and asks for a room.

Sadly, there is a porn convention going on, and all the rooms are occupied. However, with some room shuffling, the manager does succede in making a room available to provide for the VIP. Oh, and noone was made to share rooms with anyone else either.


How did he do it?
Slartibartfast • Jan 21, 2004 3:29 pm
Originally posted by hot_pastrami
Then I turned to the universal solution... urine!


I wonder if there ever was a real life situation where urine was used to accomplish something through its intrinsic properties - aside from writing in snow.

Then again, forget I asked that, that's a stupid question
hot_pastrami • Jan 21, 2004 3:31 pm
Originally posted by Slartibartfast
Here's one for you math folks.

Escherland has a really cool hotel - it has an infinite number of rooms!

A VIP guest arrives and asks for a room.

Sadly, there is a porn convention going on, and all the rooms are occupied. However, with some room shuffling, the manager does succede in making a room available to provide for the VIP. Oh, and noone was made to share rooms with anyone else either.


How did he do it?

Well, a hotel with infinite rooms can never be full... there will always be rooms available.
hot_pastrami • Jan 21, 2004 3:32 pm
Originally posted by Slartibartfast
I wonder if there ever was a real life situation where urine was used to accomplish something through its intrinsic properties - aside from writing in snow.n

One jumps to mind... It's been used to cool hot mortar tubes in the absence of water.
dar512 • Jan 21, 2004 4:00 pm
Saw this in an outdoorsman book - never tried it myself. The author claimed that you can turn eyeglasses into a magnifying glass by filling in the near side with urine. And then use them to start a fire.
Slartibartfast • Jan 21, 2004 4:07 pm
Originally posted by hot_pastrami

Well, a hotel with infinite rooms can never be full... there will always be rooms available.


There was an infinite amount of people to each fill every of the infinite number of rooms.
Slartibartfast • Jan 21, 2004 4:09 pm
or in mathspeak - there was a one to one relationship established between two infinite sets.
hot_pastrami • Jan 21, 2004 4:21 pm
Maybe I'm not seeing the concept exactly, but math was never my thing. I know that infinity plus one is still infinity, so they are still a one-to-one ratio even if you add another person...

I guess the problem is that if the VIP customer were to say, try every door until he found the first unoccupied room, he'd be trying doors into infinity, never finding the vacant room. So you'd have to do something like tell all the other guest to move up one room, and the VIP could take the first room, since it's occupant just moved up one. Since there are infinite rooms, every guest would have a room to to move up to.

If that's not the answer, then I'll have to think about it a bit longer.
Slartibartfast • Jan 21, 2004 4:31 pm
Originally posted by hot_pastrami
So you'd have to do something like tell all the other guest to move up one room, and the VIP could take the first room, since it's occupant just moved up one. Since there are infinite rooms, every guest would have a room to to move up to.



For someone that claims math is not his thing, you explained the answer very well.

We started off with...

ROOM 1 matching up with PERSON 1
ROOM 2 matching up with PERSON 2
ROOM N matching up with PERSON N
ROOM N+1 matching up with PERSON N+1

and we went to...

Room 2 matching up with person 1
Room 3 matching up with person 2
Room N matching up with person N+1
Room N+1 matching up with person N+2

which leaves us room 1 free for somebody else.

Okay, I'll quit with the math, regular riddles are usually more fun anyway.
plthijinx • Jan 21, 2004 6:31 pm
Originally posted by Slartibartfast


I wonder if there ever was a real life situation where urine was used to accomplish something through its intrinsic properties - aside from writing in snow.

Then again, forget I asked that, that's a stupid question


the "do you pee in the shower" thread comes to mind:D
Happy Monkey • Jan 21, 2004 7:08 pm
Apparently it's good for jellyfish stings, as well.
jinx • Jan 21, 2004 10:41 pm
and athlete's foot.....but only if you're one of those who pee in the shower.
novice • Jan 21, 2004 10:57 pm
With the light switch problem, I thought of entering the room once and substituting the bulbs with coloured ones then observing the individual glows under the door but then again there was a strong point made about the door being shut so I guess nothing is meant to be seen with the door closed.
The real answer is much better anyway. Can't wait to test the folks at work with all these.
wolf • Jan 22, 2004 1:50 am
Originally posted by Kitsune
This riddle comes in the form of a cryptic e-mail.

"Subject: c7362210/828 645 393
Message: please read discrep correct ord & re release i routed to qs que


Wow ... newspeak!

(I think she's saying that what had been identified as an error is actually correct, needs to be re-added and routed to the quality service to-do list.)
wolf • Jan 22, 2004 1:52 am
There are three men dead in a cabin.

The cabin is surrounded by snow.

There is a hole in the roof of the cabin.

How did the men die?
lumberjim • Jan 22, 2004 2:48 am
they fell out of a plane and landed on the cabin?
Beestie • Jan 22, 2004 6:40 am
I was thinking small meteor.
hot_pastrami • Jan 22, 2004 11:33 am
Originally posted by Beestie
I was thinking small meteor.

That would be meteorite... heheh. And I was thinking the same thing when I read it last night, but it doesn't seem like an interesting enough answer to be correct. Now, if the riddle said "The cabin is surrounded by snow which is unmarked with any bootprints besides those of the three men," then I'd be pretty confident on the meterite answer. As it is, I'm not sure.
hot_pastrami • Jan 22, 2004 11:34 am
Originally posted by wolf
There are three men dead in a cabin.

The cabin is surrounded by snow.

There is a hole in the roof of the cabin.

How did the men die?

Maybe an airplane crash? The "cabin" is the cabin of the plane, and it crashed in snowy mountains or something?
bartman • Jan 22, 2004 12:18 pm
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hot_pastrami

[color=blue][b]There are three light bulbs in a room with no windows, and a closed door. In front of you are three on-off switches. You know that each switch controls one of the light bulbs inside the room, but you don't know which switch matches which bulb, and they are not wired in any particular order.

Your job is to match each switch to it's bulb. You may only enter the room once, and you may not leave the door open. How do you accomplish your task?
[/color]


Since the riddle doesn't say you're not inside the room, can't you just flip the switches one by one?
Beestie • Jan 22, 2004 12:26 pm
That would be meteorite... heheh.

Did I say meteor?

I meant huge jass chunk of ice


:eek:
Torrere • Jan 22, 2004 5:49 pm
I'm late to this thread. So, firstly, lumberjim you bastard you poisoned the order of my thoughts. I was surprised by how difficult it was to discipline my mind to actually think that one through without going through it like the question did. That was cool.

PEMDAS: The P is for Parentheses, the E is for Exponents.

With the ping-pong ball question, my immediate first thought was: "water!". When I heard that the room had no resources, I resorted to urine. The practical uses of urine that I know are: when dragging sleds with metal skates (I can't remember the proper word here) through snow, pee on the skates. I believe that the goal is to form a regular coating of ice. Urine is also a sterilizer, so you can use it to clean clothes, assuming that you have something to cover the smell. The Romans used bay leaves for this purpose.

My cheating solution to the three light bulbs question would be to watch the light under the door; but that is probably eliminated by the question.

"I have two ends, I have two rings, and a nail through the middle" -- I've been trying to figure out what this one is for the past week, rather halfheartedly.

As for the guys in the cabin, one possibility is that the hole is the chimney. They entered the cabin during the snowstorm, started a fire, and that either poisoned them, burned the cabin, or they froze to death. A simple possibility is that during the snowstorm, the roof caved in. However, I like the airplane answer better.
Undertoad • Jan 22, 2004 6:12 pm
Aware of the baleful weather predicted by forecasters, we decided the _____ would be the best place for our company picnic.

(A) roof
(B) cafeteria
(C) beach
(D) park
(E) lake
Slartibartfast • Jan 22, 2004 6:47 pm
Originally posted by Torrere

"I have two ends, I have two rings, and a nail through the middle" -- I've been trying to figure out what this one is for the past week, rather halfheartedly.


A double eight domino - the eight dots on each side are in in a circular pattern, and there is a spinner in the middle that is basically a nail with a rounded head.

The one thing that doesn't quite perfectly match is that the dots are in a square, but then again a boxing ring is square...
hot_pastrami • Jan 22, 2004 7:11 pm
Originally posted by Undertoad
Aware of the baleful weather predicted by forecasters, we decided the _____ would be the best place for our company picnic.

(A) roof
(B) cafeteria
(C) beach
(D) park
(E) lake

I'm guessing cafeteria... as far as I know, "baleful" means "ominously cloudy" when referring to weather...
lumberjim • Jan 22, 2004 7:15 pm
There is a common English word that is nine letters long. Each time you remove a letter from it, it still remains an English word - from nine letters right down to a single letter. What is the original word, and what are the words that it becomes after removing one letter at a time?
lumberjim • Jan 22, 2004 7:23 pm
I am the beginning of eternity
The end of time and space
The beginning of every end,
And the end of every place.


what am I?
Undertoad • Jan 22, 2004 7:23 pm
Baleful means "gloomy" but if you didn't know that --

(this is an SAT question BTW)
Happy Monkey • Jan 22, 2004 7:26 pm
Originally posted by lumberjim
what am I?
[SIZE=4]e[/SIZE]
Happy Monkey • Jan 22, 2004 7:28 pm
Originally posted by Undertoad
Aware of the baleful weather predicted by forecasters, we decided the _____ would be the best place for our company picnic.
(D) Park - Nicer than a roof, you don't have to deal with the sand of a beach, and forecasters are always wrong.
Undertoad • Jan 22, 2004 8:11 pm
Answer is B

Explanation of why the question is culturally biased:

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/seipp200401210937.asp
lumberjim • Jan 22, 2004 8:20 pm
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that HP is one of the smartest motherfuckers on here.
hey, alan, what'd you get on that emode iq test?
Torrere • Jan 22, 2004 8:22 pm
Whoa! Thank you mouse! I had thought it had something to do with your old project (you know, the one you one an award for).
hot_pastrami • Jan 22, 2004 9:17 pm
Originally posted by lumberjim
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that HP is one of the smartest motherfuckers on here.
hey, alan, what'd you get on that emode iq test?

Don't be fooled, I'm not as smart as I like people to think I am.

I hadn't seen any link to an emode IQ test, but a Google search brought me this, so I'm guessing that's the one. Cellar searches for "emode" and "iq test" didn't reveal the thread where the test must have popped up.

I should mention that I think IQ tests are worth their weight in dead slugs, if even that. They are a vain attempt to scientifically measure the scientifically unmeasurable (say THAT ten times fast (Hell, say it ONE time fast (Shit, I'm three levels deep in parenthetical staements!))).
Congratulations, Hot!
Your IQ score is 133

This number is the result of a formula based on how many questions you answered correctly on Emode's Classic IQ test. Your IQ score is scientifically accurate; to read more about the science behind our IQ test, click here.

During the test, you answered four different types of questions — mathematical, visual-spatial, linguistic and logical. We analyzed how you did on those questions, which reveals the way your brain uniquely works.

We also compared your answers with others who have taken the test, and according to the sorts of questions you got correct, we can tell your Intellectual Type is an Insightful Linguist.

This means you are highly intelligent and have the natural fluency of a writer and the visual and spatial strengths of an artist. Those skills contribute to your creative and expressive mind. And that's just some of what we know about you from your test results.

That last bit is awfully goddamned cryptic.
lumberjim • Jan 22, 2004 9:20 pm
well you must be right, cuz i got a 135......and i'm also, coincidentally, worth my weight in dead slugs. ( that's a lot of slugs, btw)
Torrere • Jan 22, 2004 10:13 pm
and that might even be without considering the graphs which show the dramatic increase in average IQ scores over the past 100 years.

(edit: toned down... hehehe)
lumberjim • Jan 22, 2004 10:51 pm
hey, gotta a link to those graphs? what's the explanatoin for it? better education? diet? information technology?
Torrere • Jan 22, 2004 11:30 pm
It's called the Flynn Effect.

I think that class and rising standards of living + education might be part of it; but I don't really know.

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Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

Linked to in Wikipedia:
http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/FLYNNEFF.html

SciAm article:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00037F65-D9C0-1C6A-84A9809EC588EF21&pageNumber=2&catID=2

An explanation attempt:
http://www.fairtest.org/examarts/Winter%2001-02/IQ.html

A humorous religious correlation:
http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001527.html?entry=1527
Torrere • Jan 22, 2004 11:30 pm
What a fantastic coincidence that this is posted in a thread of Riddles!
lumberjim • Jan 23, 2004 1:25 am
this bit is interesting:
Such a result has unexpected implications for the relation between intelligence and age. Older people tend to have lower scores on IQ tests than younger people. Until now, it was always assumed that this means that intelligence diminishes with age. However, this observation can be explained as well by noting that older people were raised in a period when the general level of intelligence was lower. Flynn showed that if people's IQ is evaluated with tests calibrated for the period during which they grew up, an old person scores as well as a young one. The reason that older people do less well on IQ tests is not that they have become more stupid with age, but that the younger generation simply got a head start.


no wonder all my teachers were such idiots.

and i can look forward to dealing with a bunch of smart-ass kids.
wolf • Jan 23, 2004 1:49 am
HP rocks ... he got the cabin one ... "The plane crashed" is the answer.
Torrere • Jan 23, 2004 3:41 am
Originally posted by lumberjim
no wonder all my teachers were such idiots.

and i can look forward to dealing with a bunch of smart-ass kids.


No - but this should be discussed in a different thread.


I met my sister Jenny on London Bridge; I broke her neck and drank her blood and left her out to dry.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 23, 2004 4:50 am
140:rolleyes:
Torrere • Jan 23, 2004 6:19 am
Originally posted by hot_pastrami
[color=blue]There are three light bulbs in a room with no windows, and a closed door. In front of you are three on-off switches. You know that each switch controls one of the light bulbs inside the room, but you don't know which switch matches which bulb, and they are not wired in any particular order.

Your job is to match each switch to it's bulb. You may only enter the room once, and you may not leave the door open. How do you accomplish your task?
[/color] [/B]


I posed this question to my roommate.

His quick response was: "That'd be really easy! You rig up a servo and attach it to a computer and program it to turn the lights on one by one. It turns on one light at the beginning, at ten seconds it turns on a second light, and at twenty seconds it turns on the third light."

Riddle me this: what is his occupation?
Slartibartfast • Jan 23, 2004 8:43 am
Originally posted by Torrere


I met my sister Jenny on London Bridge; I broke her neck and drank her blood and left her out to dry.


Is Jenny a wierd name for a liquor?

I'm still trying to figure out the sister part, maybe its some silly British colloquialism or something.
lumberjim • Jan 23, 2004 9:22 am
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
140:rolleyes:


wow. i think that makes you a genius.
SteveDallas • Jan 23, 2004 10:10 am
I'm a "facts curator". Interestingly enough the score is lower than what I got in 6th grade when I was tested by a psychologist. Don't know if that's due to differences in the test, or me--not that I'll lie awake worrying about it. (I also am not very convinced of the value of such tests.)

Originally posted by lumberjim
and i can look forward to dealing with a bunch of smart-ass kids.

Look forward to??? I don't know about you, but I'm already there! :cool:
Undertoad • Jan 23, 2004 10:29 am
I'm sticking to my 6th grade score because it indicated that I was a fucking genius and I would be really really saddened if a subsequent test told me that I was not.

That's the actual score, "fucking genius".

I have never found it to have any worth whatsoever in the real world. Most people value what you actually do, not what you're capable of, and rightly so. (If you can find someone who values you based on what you're capable of, hang onto them with both hands.)
Michael Roth • Jan 23, 2004 11:00 am
I must have drank too much at some point. As a youth I scored a 181, but now it is 154.
wolf • Jan 23, 2004 11:19 am
I'm thinking Sister Jenny is a bottle of gin?
hot_pastrami • Jan 23, 2004 11:59 am
Originally posted by lumberjim
well you must be right, cuz i got a 135......and i'm also, coincidentally, worth my weight in dead slugs. ( that's a lot of slugs, btw)

Once previously a link to an online IQ test was posted to a community I frequented, and like this one, it provided a score, but one had to pay to access the detailed score. Everyone posted their results, and I noticed an unlikely score trend... everyone, even the morons, were receiving above-average IQ scores. There was a spread of perhaps 10 points between the truly stupid and the certifiably genius.

I didn't have to strain my think-muscle too hard to realize that the test was intentionally flattering the testee (heheh... testee) to make them more likely to purchase the detailed results. Few people would care to purchase the details if they got a low score.

In that community, in carefully examining the scores compared to my knowledge of who received them, I concluded that either some people had been very skillfully concealing their intelligence, or the test's IQ measuring abilities were about as reliable as a 90 year old dick. There were a handful of people whom I was confident were smarter than I, and many got lower scores than I did. Also, there were some obvious cement-heads who did as well, or better, as I. Not that I'm belittling your score on this test Jimbo, I wouldn't be surprised if you really were smarter than I am.

In the end, even accurate IQ tests only measure one's ability to solve cute puzzles in a controlled environment, and a high score only proves that the one being tested thinks simlarly to those who created the test. Hence the wide variations of scores one can get on different IQ tests. IQ tests can't possibly test the truly valuable intelligence, such as practical problem-solving, because tests are inherently impractical.

Or maybe I'm just a moron. :D
lumberjim • Jan 23, 2004 1:02 pm
no, you're obviously not a moron. and it wasn;t my intent to say i was smarter cuz i tested higher. i wsa saying you're prolly right about the innacuracy of the scores. Jinx also got a 133, and we go back and forth about who's smarter. We've decided that there are different types of intelligence. I am good with abstract, intuitive thinking, she has a damn near perfect memory etc....

none of it really matters, though, cuz tw is the only smart person in the cellar. just ask him.
Torrere • Jan 23, 2004 6:17 pm
Originally posted by wolf
I'm thinking Sister Jenny is a bottle of gin?


Quite right.

I've been trying to figure out if that's what Bruce answered, but... I don't know.

An Arab sheikh is old and must will his fortune to one of his two sons. He makes a proposition. His two sons will ride their camels in a race, and whichever camel crosses the finish line last will win the fortune for its owner. During the race, the two brothers wander aimlessly for days, neither willing to cross the finish line. In desperation, they ask a wise man for advice. He tells them something; then the brothers leap onto the camels and charge toward the finish line. What did the wise man say?
perth • Jan 23, 2004 6:23 pm
Originally posted by Torrere
An Arab sheikh is old and must will his fortune to one of his two sons. He makes a proposition. His two sons will ride their camels in a race, and whichever camel crosses the finish line last will win the fortune for its owner. During the race, the two brothers wander aimlessly for days, neither willing to cross the finish line. In desperation, they ask a wise man for advice. He tells them something; then the brothers leap onto the camels and charge toward the finish line. What did the wise man say?

"Swap camels."
Michael Roth • Jan 24, 2004 1:38 am
"Split it."
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 24, 2004 7:28 am
Or maybe I'm just a moron.
Clearly, your post shows you're not. :)
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 24, 2004 7:43 am
Originally posted by Undertoad
snip... Most people value what you actually do, not what you're capable of, and rightly so. (If you can find someone who values you based on what you're capable of, hang onto them with both hands.)
My experience is, people value you by how comfortable you make them feel around you, how good you make them feel about themselves.
Slartibartfast • Jan 26, 2004 12:37 pm
My life can be measured in hours
I serve by being devoured
thin I am quick
thick I am slow
wind is my foe

What am I?
Griff • Jan 26, 2004 12:47 pm
fog?
Happy Monkey • Jan 26, 2004 4:34 pm
A candle!
Slartibartfast • Jan 26, 2004 6:38 pm
Originally posted by Happy Monkey
A candle!


/me gives monkey a banana
Slartibartfast • Jan 26, 2004 6:42 pm
Whoever makes it doesn't use it,
whoever buys it doesn't want it,
and whoever uses it doesn't know they are using it.

What is it?
Slartibartfast • Jan 26, 2004 6:44 pm
and apostrophies in the above quote go before the 'n' in all the above cases.

Ain't that not the truth?:)
Grizzly • Jan 26, 2004 6:50 pm
Originally posted by Slartibartfast
Whoever makes it doesn't use it,
whoever buys it doesn't want it,
and whoever uses it doesn't know they are using it.

What is it?


A coffin.
Happy Monkey • Jan 26, 2004 9:38 pm
Originally posted by Slartibartfast
and apostrophies in the above quote go before the 'n' in all the above cases.

Ain't that not the truth?:)
Yes, it ain't the truth. You had it right the first time - apostrophes take the place of the 'o' in 'not'.
Slartibartfast • Jan 26, 2004 11:06 pm
Originally posted by Grizzly


A coffin.


indeed
Slartibartfast • Jan 30, 2004 8:33 pm
Not being one to let a good thread die, here is another riddle... well actually a conundrum.

Two twins are born. The YOUNGER twin celebrates his birthday two days earlier than the OLDER twin. How could this be true?
hot_pastrami • Jan 30, 2004 8:44 pm
This may not be the answer you want, but... maybe they're not one anothers' twins? Meaning, each is a twin from separate pairs?
Slartibartfast • Jan 30, 2004 8:51 pm
Originally posted by hot_pastrami
This may not be the answer you want, but... maybe they're not one anothers' twins? Meaning, each is a twin from separate pairs?


Good point... clarification: the twins were begat from the same mum.
They are twins of each other.
Beestie • Jan 30, 2004 9:01 pm
a Golden Prize do I hide but neither do I have hinges, lock or side. What am I?
hot_pastrami • Jan 30, 2004 9:07 pm
Hmm. Probably something to do with being born at midnight, leap year, and/or the International Date line then....

I'd say either one was born just before midnight, and the other just after, on leap year. If not that, then the same birth times, also on leap year, but they crossed the International Date Line after the first was born (on a plane, or something).

Edit: Of course, both on Feb 28th of a leap year.
Torrere • Jan 30, 2004 9:07 pm
There might be two sets of twins. One set of twins was born a year or years later than the other set, minus two days.

Oct 11 1980
Oct 13 1975
Torrere • Jan 30, 2004 9:18 pm
Hm. I like HP's answer.
Slartibartfast • Jan 30, 2004 9:22 pm
HP has the kernel of the idea, but can someone set up the exact scenario that would cause the event to happen?

And Beastie, I had a couple of those today for lunch!
BrianR • Jan 30, 2004 10:45 pm
Originally posted by Beestie
a Golden Prize do I hide but neither do I have hinges, lock or side. What am I?


Eggses, my Precious!
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 30, 2004 10:52 pm
Originally posted by Beestie
a Golden Prize do I hide but neither do I have hinges, lock or side. What am I?
The night.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 30, 2004 10:58 pm
Originally posted by Slartibartfast
HP has the kernel of the idea, but can someone set up the exact scenario that would cause the event to happen?

One was born on feb 29th the other on March 1st.
Slartibartfast • Jan 31, 2004 11:12 am
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
One was born on feb 29th the other on March 1st.


That's true, but that is still not the whole story.

That would explain how one twin celebrates his birthday two days after the other, but what about the younger one having his birthday before the older?
wolf • Jan 31, 2004 11:57 am
Mom had to roll across the internation dateline somewhere in there ... and New Years eve needs to play a part ... like if the older twin were born on 12/30 near midnight, then mom's hospital gurney, which is set right on the international date line, rolls over it, and just past midnight the "next" day, the younger twin could be born on 1/1 ... AND the younger twin's birthday would be earlier in the year than the older twin's.
wolf • Jan 31, 2004 11:57 am
If a plane crashes on the US/Canadian border where are the survivors buried?
lumberjim • Jan 31, 2004 12:39 pm
depends on where they eventually die...nice try


what's the quickest way to cook a rooster egg?
Slartibartfast • Jan 31, 2004 4:54 pm
Originally posted by wolf
Mom had to roll across the internation dateline somewhere in there ... and New Years eve needs to play a part ...



Date line yes, new years day no.


It works like this,

it's about 00:15 on March 1st on a non-leapyear year, and a cruise ship in the Pacific has a lady about to pop out a young'un. She gives birth to a bawlin baby #1. A few minutes later, the ship crosses the international date line. It's now about 23:40 of Feb 28th, and out pops screamer #2.

End result is that on a leap year, baby number 1 celebrates his birthday on the usual March 1st, but baby number 2 celebrates his birthday two days earlier.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 31, 2004 5:07 pm
But that's only on leap years.
Slartibartfast • Jan 31, 2004 7:07 pm
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
But that's only on leap years.


I never said it happens every year:D
Trillian-zz9 • Feb 1, 2004 11:43 am
Ok here's one:

There is a common English word which is nine letters long. Each time you remove a letter from it, it still remains an English word - from nine letters right down to one letter. What is the original word, and what are the words that it becomes after removing one letter at a time?
Slartibartfast • Feb 1, 2004 12:34 pm
I though 'deja-vu' was only six letters long...
lumberjim • May 11, 2008 11:38 pm
anyone know the answer to trillian's riddle?
Cloud • May 11, 2008 11:46 pm
http://www.snopes.com/language/puzzlers/9letters.asp

did not know before, but Google is God.

that's cheating, I suppose.
toranokaze • May 12, 2008 12:52 am
Google has money and in America money is worshiped as a god.
toranokaze • May 12, 2008 12:54 am

what's the quickest way to cook a rooster egg?


The quickest way is a raw egg in a glass rocky style.

For a rooster's egg is a chicken egg the same way a child is both the mother's and the father's.
Cloud • May 12, 2008 1:04 am
knowledge is power