DO YOU SMOKE POT?
Although I have had SOME evidence to the contrary, I would say that most of you are of reasonably high intelligence, and relatively successful in your chosen proffessions. I have always felt that more people smoke pot than don't. I just think people don't admit it. Please be honest with your answer, and stay anon if you wish, or state your views. This may not be a true slice of the populous, as we are mostly nerds, but still, I'm curious
Never did because:
1) I can't afford it.
2) Drug tests and it stays in your for what is it...6 months?
3) Hate smoking.
4) Don't like drugs in general. (Not even Tylenol. I hate the fact that I 'HAVE TO' take Flonase every damn day or I'll be an alergic mess the next morning.)
5) Don't want anymore addictions. EQ is bad enough.
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Already admitted in another thread so what the hell.
Originally posted by lumberjim
and relatively successful in your chosen proffessions. I have always felt that more people smoke pot than don't. I just think people don't admit it.
Being successful in my current profession requires that I don't smoke it. Only one job out of all the positions I've ever held didn't require a drug test and I've been told that company has since changed their policies to include them for all new hires.
I'm normally more paranoid than this, but, it's too late now, and too many people know already for it to be a secret anyhow.
I have another question, for those that smoke/d: did anyone name their piece something interesting? For example, a friend had a red plastic three-stage called Big Red. Another had an ancient piece of glassware called Charlemagne. Another had a black six-footer called Death.
I have smoked it in the past . I can't now ( work and all that ).
But if i ever win big on the Lotto , then CAMBODIA HERE I COME !!! Its legal there . Find me some nice little resopt on the beach , smoke dope , drink beer , and chase whores !!! Yeppers that will be the life !!!!:joint: :drunk: :doit:
Of corse i will have to subsist on half the winnings , my wife would get her half :rolleyes:
Originally posted by headsplice
I'm normally more paranoid than this, but, it's too late now, and too many people know already for it to be a secret anyhow.
I have another question, for those that smoke/d: did anyone name their piece something interesting? For example, a friend had a red plastic three-stage called Big Red. Another had an ancient piece of glassware called Charlemagne. Another had a black six-footer called Death.
we thought it was you. now that we have the proof, we'll be right over.
Notice that Jimbo didn't answer his own question...
I smoked a bit here and there from 1992-1998. Had some great times...never had a bad high. I think about getting stoned again every now and then, but I don't really want it that much. Besides the fact that it's not worth the risk anymore, I get high enough off life.
i think most folks are aware of my habits, and those that don;t would assume that, having asked the question in the first place, I have more than a casual interest in it. besides, i'd HAVE to be high to write some of the shit i write late at night......
I was not comfortable enough to try. I have way too many allergies, would be my luck I would be allergic to that too.
2) Drug tests and it stays in your for what is it...6 months?
1 month blood and urine, 3 months hair......I heard.....from a guy....yea.....that's it.
Radar wrote:1 month blood and urine, 3 months hair......I heard.....from a guy....yea.....that's it.
Funny you bring that up... One used to have to worry for only 30 or so days. Well, that's about to change. :(
i replied "never tried" to the poll, but once in high school i had one drag of one joint. that was it i thought it was disgusting and i'd never do it again. One of my ex's (back when i was 17) used to do it daily, and thats where all our $$ went. I used to hate seeing him pull a bong it was so derelict :shudder to think: ... or maybe that was just him... ?
I have heard though that smoking daily can cause the THC levels in your skin to rise which is the reason that most pot heads have such revolting body odour ??
Never done it ( I don't even drink ), but I support full legalization.
Originally posted by Sun_Sparkz
I have heard though that smoking daily can cause the THC levels in your skin to rise which is the reason that most pot heads have such revolting body odour ??
That's just because when you're THAT stoned, you lack initiative to do things like wash regularly.
I smoked weed in college. That's just one of those things that college in America is for, right? Pretty much on a more than daily basis. Then I figured something out.
I wanted to move on to a new activity, and I
couldn't.
That scared the shit out of me.
Haven't used any street drug since. That was oooh ... about 22 years ago now.
As all here know, I do drink on occasion, and get genuinely drunk once per year.
I can't stand it. In college any time it was around I'd try to get baked to figure out what all the excitement was about. I never found the answer.
I've even tried a few other "recreational drugs" in my past... never in abundance though. And as much as people preach "they don't have any long term effects! You're totally back to normal the next day!!" I've not found that to be true. And it's not that I notice I'm slowed mentally after a 'party' weekend... it's that after I've been clean for months in a row I can tell how much sharper I am.
Which has led me to the final conclusion...
It's just not worth it. The headache from trying to buy the stuff, worrying about if you ever get tested, and then worrying about if it's slowing you down...
*shrug*
Not worth the stress.
I've never tried it and never really wanted to, but I've also never had a compelling reason to say "nobody ELSE should be allowed to do it." Like every other mind-and-mood-altering substance, there's a time and a place.
It's a drug that I wouldn't have a problem decriminalizing to the point of being similar to alcohol -- severely restrict minors' access to it, create a DUI category for it, and don't take someone's house and car away when they catch them with a little bit of it.
like all chemical alterations, i have to wonder...........what's the point???
of course, i'm a diabetic. i can eat a couple of big chocolates, and my brain does the same thing that a drunk's brain does...sometimes i get slurry, sometimes dizzy or dopey, and sometimes i laugh..and laugh....and laugh.
wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..................
insert one-liner here.........LJ as a child?!? [SIZE=1](sorry dude! couldn't resist from your previous post!)[/SIZE] :beer:
OH SHIT. how'd you get that eh?
i hope that's a cracker in his hand.
is that the recently ill boy you spoke of?
did he smoke that before he ate the 3 hot dogs?
Originally posted by lumberjim
OH SHIT. how'd you get that eh?
i hope that's a cracker in his hand.
is that the recently ill boy you spoke of?
did he smoke that before he ate the 3 hot dogs?
LMFAO!!! naw, that's not my boy! but i did hear that this one in question actually freeze dried his hot dogs and smoked'em:D
That's fantastic.Do you see(LJ)why honesty has no place on the internet?Or is the internet the last hope for honesty?I'm guessing you were hoping for an honest discourse.And what do you end up with?Tagged for life as a stoner,of course.
I recall the indignation I felt when drug testing was first being introduced.I have a CDL and we were the first group of people to experience this invasion of privacy.At first we thought that this was some thing that would die or go away.But then I personally witnessed many dedicated,hard-working colleagues lose their jobs and (in a couple of cases) their direction in life.It wasn't how they chose to unwind on their own time.It was the loss of of a decent paying job in a blue collar world where those jobs are becoming extinct.
I would hope that in my lifetime that we could see an end to this foolishness.
Yes I have.
Yes I do - on rare occasions.
Yes - know many people that do - don't really care either way.
Make it legal and tax it I say.
yeah. I think that a lot more people would smoke if not for drug testing. And hell yeah, dani, legalize it, regulate it, and tax it and use the income to fund the space missions to mars! or revitalize urban (herb-an) areas. If society can handle alcohol, why not pot?
Originally posted by farfromhome
But then I personally witnessed many dedicated,hard-working colleagues lose their jobs and (in a couple of cases) their direction in life.
If smoking weed (or doing coke or speed or whatever) was more important than their careers, then I question their overall "direction" in life to begin with.
Originally posted by wolf
If [color=red]smoking weed (or doing coke or speed or whatever)[/color] was more important than their careers, then I question their overall "direction" in life to begin with.
there's part of the problem. Pot is different than speed and coke. and alcohol, for that matter. Pot does not physically impare you. Those other drugs can poison you or make your heart burst. if you smoke too much pot, you might start to feel a little queasy. AND.....If something important or emergent happens, you are able to straighten out. If you're drunk, or zingin, you lose control of your actions, your balance, heart rate, etc.....
I mean, it takes a little bit of practice to get past the paranoia phase, and the munchies can be inconvenient to a diet, but c'mon.....The worst it can do is make you a bit lazy.
Actually, there's all that slowing of reaction times, loss of ability to concentrate, etc.
There ARE significant impairments in functioning when using marijuana, and for a goodly amount of time afterwards.
Consider: when was the last time you saw this on Action News ... "And the drug test is back on the Septa Driver that crashed his bus into a stationwagon full of disabled nuns. It was found to be negative."
Farfromhome is talking about guys who drive trucks. He doesn't state, but I'm assuming long haul. There are enough problems controlling one of those beasts on the highway sober, well rested, and with good judgment.
absolutely....that's why i say regulate it. just like booze.
a responsible driver would never go out driving a truck all highed up. In jobs where reaction times matter, and heavy machinery is involved, drug users are more likely to abuse speed than pot. pot makes you sleepy. truckers like to get hopped up on no-doze. When I was a furniture refinisher, our work was seven to ten times better after lunch. ifaya know whadd i mean? i always refused it when i was a carpenter, and the one time i smoked when i was waiting tables late night at denny's, a party of four state troopers came in to eat and i had to wait on them. fuck.
To find out whether the universe is about to contract to an extreme degree ...
LJ, which Denny's did you work night shift at, and approx when?
uh oh.....
in 1991-92 i was late shift (10p-6am)waiter in the smoking section. Exton denny's. I was a minor West Whiteland celebrity. I had a pony tail like steven segal, but blonde. ( this was the period of time immediately following our return from following the grateful dead.) then, in 93-95 i was a manager in wyomissing - taht's west reading
Originally posted by wolf
Consider: when was the last time you saw this on Action News ... "And the drug test is back on the Septa Driver that crashed his bus into a stationwagon full of disabled nuns. It was found to be negative."
What? Why would they report that? If the drug test was negative, if it were mentioned at all, it would be in the form of "and while drug tests have been negative...".
As noted earlier, it takes up to a month for the metabolites to clear out of the blood. So you should ignore it every time they report a driver tested positive for marijuana. 10% of the US would test positive if tested right at this moment. Only a fraction of that is actually impaired.
If half the drunk drivers on the road were high instead, we'd probably save about 10,000 lives a year...
LJ, We're both safe on the Denny's thing ... but that was darn close. My hanging out was done at the West Chester Denny's, a bit earlier than your timeframe at Exton.
We had a lot of fun with the late night waitstaff there, and it would have been just too funny if that had included you.
Where the heck did Denny's go, anyway?
the west chester one is one of the only ones left 'round here.
i don;t miss it a little bit. worst job i ever had.
Originally posted by wolf
LJ, We're both safe on the Denny's thing ... but that was darn close. My hanging out was done at the West Chester Denny's, a bit earlier than your timeframe at Exton.
We had a lot of fun with the late night waitstaff there, and it would have been just too funny if that had included you.
Where the heck did Denny's go, anyway?
I spent *many* late night hanging out at the WC Denny's in the late 80's. I worked at The Oyster Bar (The Marshallton Inn), and we'd all go as a group after work and drink coffee. Good times...
Isn't the Oyster Bar the leather bar in the Police Academy movies?
That was the Blue Oyster wasn't it?
wtf??? how did this thread move from weed to restraunts???
Stick around for a while and it will become crystal clear.
Originally posted by wolf
If smoking weed (or doing coke or speed or whatever) was more important than their careers, then I question their overall "direction" in life to begin with.
A number of thoughts ran through my head upon seeing your post , wolf.Heres the first-Nice generalization.Smoking pot or...coke,speed-what else?Do you also think that speeding or shoplifting is also the same as the crimes of rape or murder?
Second thought-Believe it or not,there are millions of people in this country who go to work every day,do their damn best and go home.They leave their work at work.These people take pride in what they do at work.But it is not their "career".Its a job.Some of the most well-rounded people I know can keep that perspective.
Third thought-I am not a long haul trucker nor do I come from that background.The majority of people in this country who have a commercial drivers license sleep in the their own beds ever night.That was a pretty stupid assumption on you part.
Now ,can I make an assumption(since you felt free to)?I'll bet the world is only black and white to you,isn't it wolf?What a suprise you're a cop.Sarcasm intended.
I have never smoked pot and I've never done any form of non-legal chemical. Even in high school I drank only infrequently. During my time in the navy the only use I had for alcohol was for negative effects (sometimes you feel that forgetting can be a good thing).
As far as the specifics of weed goes, I don't smoke because it's a control issue. I don't like being out of control.
The people I see who smoke only infrequently don't seem to have any problems with it. On the other hand, the ones who I see that smoke regularly (daily, several times a week) have reached a dead stop in their lives. Why? I see the loss of motivation, and I see the prodigious amounts of time and money they put into acquiring it and I have to wonder why ANYTHING as unimportant as things like that ultimately are are so central to their lives.
As to the legalization issue, I say legalize all of it and then punish people who get out of line with ANY form of intoxicant equally and severely.
Originally posted by farfromhome
A number of thoughts ran through my head upon seeing your post , wolf.Heres the first-Nice generalization.Smoking pot or...coke,speed-what else?Do you also think that speeding or shoplifting is also the same as the crimes of rape or murder?
Second thought-Believe it or not,there are millions of people in this country who go to work every day,do their damn best and go home.They leave their work at work.These people take pride in what they do at work.But it is not their "career".Its a job.Some of the most well-rounded people I know can keep that perspective.
Third thought-I am not a long haul trucker nor do I come from that background.The majority of people in this country who have a commercial drivers license sleep in the their own beds ever night.That was a pretty stupid assumption on you part.
Now ,can I make an assumption(since you felt free to)?I'll bet the world is only black and white to you,isn't it wolf?What a suprise you're a cop.Sarcasm intended.
In defense of wolf in this case, we can amend her statement to be:
If risking any form of proscribed activity that is not important to life or it's furthering is more important than keeping food on the table and lights burning, then I question their overall "direction" in life to begin with.
Wolf, if my amendment of your statement is in error or not in keeping with the intent of your statement let me know.
Originally posted by Troubleshooter
The people I see who smoke only infrequently don't seem to have any problems with it. On the other hand, the ones who I see that smoke regularly (daily, several times a week) have reached a dead stop in their lives.
your sample group must be quite limited. I know several people who would contradict your stated trend. Snoop Dog. Cheech and Chong. Bill Clinton.
People aren;t gonna tell you if they smoke every day. how do you know your boss doesn't fire up the bong on a nightly basis? You have never tried it, therefore your opinion is somewhat weakened. You may have the ability to observe and deduce, but if you have never tried it, I question your exposure to it, and the validity of your conclusions about it.
oh, and welcome aboard.
Been there, done that.
I personally think it should be legalized. Having had to take psychopharmacology classes for my psych degree, I know that drugs such as weed and acid aren't as harmful to the body as alcohol is.
The legal drugs, such as tobacco, alcohol, and caffeine, are ALL physically and psychologically addictive, and cause a tolerance in users (translating into more money for the companies who sell them). Certain illegal drugs, such as marijuana and LSD, are not physically (though they can be psychologically) addictive, and do not cause tolerance in users. I was even told, albeit grudgingly, by my psychopharmacology instructor, that LSD is basically a seratonin reuptake inhibitor. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that Acid is basically an antidepressant....
Why is alcohol, which is highly addictive, physically dangerous (it can cause long and short term memory loss, cirrhosis of the liver, retrograde amnesia; and, due to lowered inhibitions, is a cause of drunk driving, murder, spread of STD's, alcohol poisoning and interpersonal abuse) legal, when a drug such as marijuana, (which can cause short term memory loss; is not a statistically significant cause of violence in users; which can have at least as much of a medicinal application as the cocaine sometimes used in dentist's offices; and whose overdose isn't fatal as alcohol overdoses can be) is not?
If the criteria for the legality of a drug is its level of dangerousness to the human organism, then alcohol should top the list of illegal drugs. While I'm not advocating drugs--legal or illegal--I AM showing the arbitrary nature by which drugs are deemed legal or illegal by the government. The criteria for legality would seem to be: a high level of addictiveness, a high potential for creating revenue, and high controllability/regulatory nature (for example, it's harder for a regular Joe to grow tobacco than it is for him to grow weed. Therefore, weed is made illegal, and tobacco is made both legal and more addictive with chemicals--high addictiveness, high revenue, high controllability). Ta-da!
Sidhe
They ought to make weed legal, sell it in packs for say, $30 a pack, which is generally what a quarter would go for, and if you're caught driving on it, slap you with a DUI, just as they would a drunk driver. That way they make their money, and there will be something out there less dangerous than alcohol which gives kinda the same feeling (except you don't toss your cookies, and you don't have a hangover the next morning...and best of all, you can't KILL yourself by ingesting it, as you can with alcohol).
Of course, I grew up in a family that had a problem with alcohol, so It really irks me when people talk about how "bad" weed is, when they go out and get drunk every weekend.
Sidhe
Originally posted by Lady Sidhe
Why is alcohol, which is highly addictive, physically dangerous (it can cause long and short term memory loss, cirrhosis of the liver, retrograde amnesia; and, due to lowered inhibitions, is a cause of drunk driving, murder, spread of STD's, alcohol poisoning and interpersonal abuse) legal, when a drug such as marijuana, (which can cause short term memory loss; is not a statistically significant cause of violence in users; which can have at least as much of a medicinal application as the cocaine sometimes used in dentist's offices; and whose overdose isn't fatal as alcohol overdoses can be) is not?
Because Anheuser-Busch has a lot of money.
Lady Sidhe:I bow to you.There is nothing more I could add to your comments.Read what she says,folks.
Originally posted by sycamore
Because Anheuser-Busch has a lot of money.
So do the drug lords but they don't spend it on lobbyists and Super Bowl commercials.:)
Exactly! That's the problem with the illegal drug industry...
Originally posted by farfromhome
Lady Sidhe:I bow to you.There is nothing more I could add to your comments.Read what she says,folks.
OMG! Someone actually agrees with me? *all choked up* I don't know what to say...*has an emotional moment*:D
Sidhe
Originally posted by lumberjim
your sample group must be quite limited. I know several people who would contradict your stated trend. Snoop Dog. Cheech and Chong. Bill Clinton.
People aren;t gonna tell you if they smoke every day. how do you know your boss doesn't fire up the bong on a nightly basis? You have never tried it, therefore your opinion is somewhat weakened. You may have the ability to observe and deduce, but if you have never tried it, I question your exposure to it, and the validity of your conclusions about it.
oh, and welcome aboard.
My sample is quite varied, but like any form of statistic, it is subject to being skewed by the environment in which it is taken. Also, considering the size of the purported smoker's pool, they would be considered outlyers. Also, statistics are only a trend and should always be subject to revision.
While I'm quite sure that Snoop Dog smokes regularly, he is just a rapper, just because a lot of people like something doesn't mean it's good.
I like Cheech and Chong too. Cheech Marin looks to have gotten a semi-serious acting career and we have no way of knowing how he chooses to entertain himself. Did you see where they busted Tmmy Chong for the first time ever just recently? All he supposedly had was a bunch of pipes and an ounce. Just because his son runs a headshop.
And Clinton is a cretin. And again we don't know if he fires up regularly or not.
I also find it amusing that everone who smokes comes back to the argument that because I haven't tried it I don't have any basis on which to argue, but if you look at the point I made previously I didn't say that the weed was the cause. I'm trying to see if it is the cause or if it is just another symptom of a greater issue. But I say again, everyone I've seen who smokes reglarly is stalled.
Just to clarify my exposure. Sadly, most of the people in close proximity to me smoke. I attend college. Also, regardless of my opinion, I have never been of the notion to report anyone who smokes or does acid, and all of the people around me know that.
I'm a lot more exposed than people give me credit for. : )
And thanks for the welcome.
I'm trying to see if it is the cause or if it is just another symptom of a greater issue. But I say again, everyone I've seen who smokes reglarly is stalled.
ok. so now you've met someone who bucks the trend.
So. you're in college. These people that are stalled are also in college? or are they the friends you have that do not attend, and instead of studying, they go to work during the day, and then tune in at night? What i'm wondering is how old you and these stalled people are. Not so I can say you're too young to kow anything, but because I want to differentiate your impression of their being "stalled" from their choice in how they spend their free time.
It comes down to perspective. You may see them as stalled. They may feel that they have arrived. Your goals are your goals. You choose to do without drugs, and I absolutely respect that, but how can you be in a position to refer to someone's life as stalled?
I think you hit the edge of it in the quote above. There definately are stalled people in the world. Many of these, I'm sure, get high a lot. They probably also drink and do whatever else they can get their hands on as an escape from their unsatisfying existence. However, there are plenty of people ( oh, and the examples I used last time I said this were meant to be humorous) that DO smoke regularly, yet hold important and respected positions, provide for their families, and hold sway with other people's lives.
Just to put me in perspective...
34, male, capricorn, heterosexual
GED because I screwed around too much.
4 years in the US Navy, two of them spent on board a 688 class Fast Attack Submarine (SSN 705).
1 year as part-owner of a role-playing game store
Several of the past ten years have been spent doing computer/technical problem solving.
I've spent a year working in a psychiatic facility as a psychiatric aid.
Presently I'm in college majoring in sociology and working on the school's computer network.
I've seen many different perspectives as to what comprises success and achievement. One of the things I've seen is that, regardless of what your measure of success is, it almost invariably includes continuing to grow, whether it's through formal education or simply personal growth. I see a dearth of that in the people I'm referring to.
Cool ... you're a nutwrangler too?
What kind of facility are you working in?
Originally posted by wolf
Cool ... you're a nutwrangler too?
What kind of facility are you working in?
Um, define nutwrangler please... : )
I work/attend Southeastern Louisiana University in Hammond.
I maintain 4 labs with about 120 PCs total.
And you?
When you were working as a psych tech, you were a nutwrangler. Sorry I interpreted that as Past rather than Present ...
everybody loves a good nutwrangler.
Originally posted by Troubleshooter
And you?
I commit people.
Originally posted by lumberjim
everybody loves a good nutwrangler.
You and me both...
Originally posted by wolf
When you were working as a psych tech, you were a nutwrangler. Sorry I interpreted that as Past rather than Present ...
Ah, gotcha.
Southeast Louisiana Hospital (SELH) in Mandeville. I sat up all night on the ward. With the adults we (4 to 6 of us) dealt with between 20 and 30 patients. On the adolescent ward 2 of us dealt with 4 to 10 patients.
Originally posted by wolf
I commit people.
How does one go about getting qualified to commit people?
Seems like a handy ability to have.
One falls into the right job, at the right time.
13 years ago I had no idea such a job existed.
I mean I knew people went to nuthouses and ended up there, and on occasion joked about so-and-so being "certifiable."
Well ... don't ever get complacent about having a nice job with computers that don't talk back at you (much).
I had one of those jobs on a particular Friday morning.
That Friday afternoon, I didn't.
So I went through the whole unemployment thing, but needed more money than they were going to give me ... friend of mine said there was a receptionist job at the hospital where she worked.
"I won't have to deal with any of the patients, will I?"
"Nope, you'll be upstairs. Administration doesn't have anything to do with patients."
That was 12 years ago ...
Turned out that once I started having contact with patients, I kind of liked it, and I was fascinated by what was going on downstairs ... got cross trained to work as a psych tech and started a master's degree in Clinical Psychology within two years of starting there.
Wandered around from dept to dept and job to job a bit, and found my niche in Crisis/Commitment.
Commitment Officer was part of the natural progression up the corporate food chain. And I think it's cool.
Originally posted by wolf
Turned out that once I started having contact with patients, I kind of liked it, and I was fascinated by what was going on downstairs
Doesn't it feel good to be around your own kind? ;)
Actually it was more of a survival imperative.
You see, I know an awful lot of people who are bugfuck crazy in the community ...
Originally posted by lumberjim
Although I have had SOME evidence to the contrary, I would say that most of you are of reasonably high intelligence, and relatively successful in your chosen proffessions. I have always felt that more people smoke pot than don't. I just think people don't admit it. Please be honest with your answer, and stay anon if you wish, or state your views. This may not be a true slice of the populous, as we are mostly nerds, but still, I'm curious
Not anymore, but as I stated on another thread about smoking weed, from about 1993-1997 I was pretty high damned near everyday. The main problem was that I was still living at home with the 'rents, so I wasn't home that often ('cause I wanted to be high, so off I'd go to my friend's apartment to chill out). Choice of smoking equipment: bong or pipe. Man, I hated joints and blunts. :blunt:
Had to quit it in May 1997, because I had applied for a gubmint job. Funny, it was for the DOD, and they didn't even drug test me...huh! ;)
Originally posted by wolf
There ARE significant impairments in functioning when using marijuana, and for a goodly amount of time afterwards.
Consider: when was the last time you saw this on Action News ... "And the drug test is back on the Septa Driver that crashed his bus into a stationwagon full of disabled nuns. It was found to be negative."
But that's the problem. You do not feel the effects of it for as long as it is detectable in your system. That's why they can cook up all those bullshit percentages on "X% of people tested positive for pot in fatalities" and what not.
If you smoked a bowl and it kept you high for a month, which is how long it's detectable in blood (the Yahoo article was gone, never got to read it), then that would be a different story. But to say you're still affected by it a month afterwards? Nah. Maybe,
maybe you've got a slight fog for a few days, a week if you get really really baked. But it's not to the effect of imparing your ability. Imparing motivation? Possibly.
The problem with people saying it's prevents motivation, is that people exepct others to do what they think they should. They want everyone to be "normal". Go to work. Have a family. Have someone you love. Whatever. It's this stereotype of what is "normal" that's the whole problem.
If I have enough money to take care of myself, or, can find a way to get enough money (since money makes the world go around) to keep myself from being dependant on you or the state, who fucking cares if I'm motivated enough to go climb mountains or jog or volunteer for the comunity on my weekends or week days?
If I want to sit around baked, enjoying the feeling of it. Watching the world go by, that should be my choice. It's not different than if you go out and "enjoy nature". You sit and stare at birds building a nest, and call it a "bird watching hobby". That's good. That's "valid". People can give you the big social OK.
But if I want to sit around baked and watch birds build a nest, then I'm a unmotivated loser.
Quzah.
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
So do the drug lords but they don't spend it on lobbyists and Super Bowl commercials.:)
No, but the government is spending I believe $3million during the same Super Bowl to tell you
not to smoke weed.
Quzah.
Originally posted by Troubleshooter
And Clinton is a cretin. And again we don't know if he fires up regularly or not.
And the current president is an alcoholic.
Quzah.
Originally posted by Troubleshooter
Ah, gotcha.
Southeast Louisiana Hospital (SELH) in Mandeville. I sat up all night on the ward. With the adults we (4 to 6 of us) dealt with between 20 and 30 patients. On the adolescent ward 2 of us dealt with 4 to 10 patients.
Get them all stoned. You won't have to deal with anything other than handing out snacks.
Quzah.
Originally posted by quzah
But if I want to sit around baked and watch birds build a nest, then I'm a unmotivated loser.
Quzah.
Unless you have a fishing pole nearby. You don't even have to hold it, to be socially acceptable.
Seriously though, I agree 100%. If I'm not affecting you, mind your own business.
I guess it's something of a dilemma.
One, if your goals are so low then more, or less, power to you, but to me I think that people, with their greater abilities should strive for more. Any monkey can sit around and respire and metabolize, but it takes a little work to rap your mind around the workings of the universe. An obligation to one's self, so to speak.
And, two, I think that everyone has an obligation to the species at large. It's strange, it seems that only humanity has useless members.
Now that being said, I'll hand you an example that you missed out on when trying to convince me of the comparatave successes of certain, known smokers. Carl Sagan.
An obligation to one's self, so to speak.
And you determine what my obligation to myself is? Strange.
it seems that only humanity has useless members.
Absolutely untrue. There are plenty of animals that contribute nothing to the good of the pack/herd/troop. But more than that, what gives you the right to set goals for me? Why am I obligated to be useful to you? You sound like one of those team player/rah rah types that corporations love to hire. The type that came up with the term associates for employees.
Originally posted by quzah
But that's the problem. You do not feel the effects of it for as long as it is detectable in your system. That's why they can cook up all those bullshit percentages on "X% of people tested positive for pot in fatalities" and what not.
If you smoked a bowl and it kept you high for a month, which is how long it's detectable in blood (the Yahoo article was gone, never got to read it), then that would be a different story. But to say you're still affected by it a month afterwards? Nah. Maybe, [b]maybe you've got a slight fog for a few days, a week if you get really really baked. But it's not to the effect of imparing your ability. Imparing motivation? Possibly.
The problem with people saying it's prevents motivation, is that people exepct others to do what they think they should. They want everyone to be "normal". Go to work. Have a family. Have someone you love. Whatever. It's this stereotype of what is "normal" that's the whole problem.
If I have enough money to take care of myself, or, can find a way to get enough money (since money makes the world go around) to keep myself from being dependant on you or the state, who fucking cares if I'm motivated enough to go climb mountains or jog or volunteer for the comunity on my weekends or week days?
If I want to sit around baked, enjoying the feeling of it. Watching the world go by, that should be my choice. It's not different than if you go out and "enjoy nature". You sit and stare at birds building a nest, and call it a "bird watching hobby". That's good. That's "valid". People can give you the big social OK.
But if I want to sit around baked and watch birds build a nest, then I'm a unmotivated loser.
Quzah. [/B]
Yeah. All I can say is that I agree wholeheartedly with you on this. It's not much, but it had to be said.
Sidhe
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
But more than that, what gives you the right to set goals for me? Why am I obligated to be useful to you? You sound like one of those team player/rah rah types that corporations love to hire. The type that came up with the term associates for employees.
One of the first things that people assume when I make statements like that is that they are absolutes. I know that they are not.
Another is that there is a difference between standards and rules.
And, in addition, I am most decidedly NOT a team player. I only expect myself to come close to my standards. I got tired of being disappointed in people.
One of the first things that people assume when I make statements like that is that they are absolutes. I know that they are not.
I never assume that what anyone says is absolute, including myself.
Another is that there is a difference between standards and rules.
The difference is the method people use to try to make you follow them, that's all.
And, in addition, I am most decidedly NOT a team player. I only expect myself to come close to my standards. I got tired of being disappointed in people.
I have no way of knowing what or who you are. I only know what you say in your posts. That's why I said "you sound like......"
A question for those of you who do smoke pot: where do you get it? Is there a guy that hangs out under the street lamp on the corner that passes it to you on Wednesdays at 2am? Do you grow it in your basement with twenty lamps with full spectrum bulbs and may be found trimming them with the care that one takes in crafting a bonsai tree? Maybe you find an old van, coat it in "fiberweed" and attempt to cross the border and then the exhaust causes it to catch fire at the worst possible time...
I'm not looking to pick some up (no, really I'm not) but I am curious. Every so often we would hear of a friend that had a massive stash and I had to wonder where the hell they picked something like that up. It can't be easy.
I never did it and I never will... But a lot of my friends do smoke... I think over here, it's quite easy. Drive down to Amsterdam or Maastrich where smoking weed is legal, get some extra, mix it up with Oregano or something like that and sell it in your neighbourhood.
I think if you really want some, you will recognize the dealers...
But you have to know the secret handshake....
they sell it in the mini markets over here, pi. it's great.
I hope there's a little bit of sarcasm in your answer Lumberjim... Actually I think it's not a so great idea to tolerate smoking pot. There are enough drugs on the legal market
I wish i had time to argue that point with you, but im too busy today at work.....can someone sub for me?
legalize it, don;t criticize it
Sure, lumberjim ;)
See my post, page three...lol
Sidhe
Oh please...
I am a stubborn, conservative and ignorant man who has his own opinion about some things so don't try to convince be... I know that weed is healthier than alcohol and tobacco and so on...
But sorry, I won't change my mind
I wasn't trying to change your mind. Think however you want. Everyone has his own opinion. *shrugs*
Sidhe
I hit the tail end of this conversation, but I think pot should be decriminalized, not legalized. Slap on the wrist instead of jailtime for something as dangerous as wine, IMO.
Kitsune:
It's like the rest of life. You just have to know the right people. Finding those people is surprisingly easy, if you know the signs. Hang out with some stoners, and it literally falls out of the sky like rain.
Admittedly, it's stinky, green rain, but nevermind the details.
Originally posted by Uryoces
I hit the tail end of this conversation, but I think pot should be decriminalized, not legalized. Slap on the wrist instead of jailtime for something as dangerous as wine, IMO.
Why shouldn't it be legal? Alcohol is legal. Tobacco is legal. Caffeine is legal. Seriously, other than the fact that the government can't apply a tax on it (got a planter? got some seeds? you can grow it .. much easier than hops or tobacco, thus every day joe can grow it), but for it itself, not the government's effect on it, or lack there of, why not make it legal?
Quzah.
Originally posted by Uryoces
I hit the tail end of this conversation, but I think pot should be decriminalized, not legalized. Slap on the wrist instead of jailtime for something as dangerous as wine, IMO.
Guys like these make smokers look bad:
http://www.thestranger.com/2003-11-13/city3.html
SEATTLE'S DUMBEST POTHEADS
Or, How to Get Busted, Post-I-75
Erica Barnett
By passing I-75, the initiative making marijuana possession Seattle cops' "lowest law-enforcement priority," in September, voters handed potheads a pass to indulge in their favorite illicit substance without police interference. Starting in September, Seattle cops were ordered to ignore small-time possession and only arrest dope fiends dumb enough to flaunt their pot use in public.<snip>
Yea, I do, but hey....
who gives a shit?
Rokko out.
I just "quit" last week after smoking almost daily for about 6 months, and semi-regularly for the last 7 years. For the previous 10 years, it was an occasional thing, mainly due to the fact that I worked in a field where a hot piss test would not only get me fired, but get me in trouble with the gub'mint.
I quit because I got tired of a) being sleepy; b) being unable to have normal conversations with people who weren't stoned; c) feeling more paranoid than mellow when I fired up; d) throat and sinus infections.
Originally posted by headsplice
did anyone name their piece something interesting?
I named all of 'em. There was Blue Balls (it was blue, had little balls on it), the powerpuff pipe, Junior Deputy (just a bong, but we put a junior deputy sticker on it), Muggles (inspired by Harry Potter, but a google search of the term revealed a pot-related definition), Princess Sofia (my girlfriend named it), the Wizard (a tall ceramic thing shaped and painted as such), the Jolly Green Giant (6-ft. tall neon green bong).....I can't remember the rest lol. Damn weed.
nice... i like to see that we're up to 7 daily smokers......honesty is refreshing.....
i was a potthead from age 14-16. then i quit for my ex-husband. i tried to smoke five years ago and i had a major panic attack. so i tried again and the same thing happened. GOD i wish i could smoke weed!!!!!!!!!!but for some reason it doesn't agree with my heart. (my ex-boyfriend was with me. he said he thought i was going to die the way it was racing)
You were married before? How many times?
i married when i was 18. i dated him for 3 years and was married for 2 years. i am 27 now. this is my second marriage.
I'm disappointed.Although this database may be slightly skewed,I was hoping for a higher percentage of free thinking individuals.I guess my prediction of the end of the marijuana prohibition in my lifetime was optimistic.I feel sure it will be in my childrens generation anyway.
Don't be too disappointed. I'm teetotal (don't drink or smoke), but I am 100% for legalizing pot. I still wouldn't use it, but I don't think other people should be stopped.
Originally posted by farfromhome
I'm disappointed.Although this database may be slightly skewed,I was hoping for a higher percentage of free thinking individuals.I guess my prediction of the end of the marijuana prohibition in my lifetime was optimistic.I feel sure it will be in my childrens generation anyway.
I must admit that I'm a little disappointd that you're disappointed. Wouldn't it stand to reason that being freethinking would mean that you would be able to choose to
not smoke pot as well?
Hey LJ, you forgot the voting option "I'm smoking it right now".
Originally posted by Troubleshooter
I must admit that I'm a little disappointd that you're disappointed. Wouldn't it stand to reason that being freethinking would mean that you would be able to choose to [B]not smoke pot as well? [/B]
It sure would TS.Something was "troubling" me about my post even as I typed it.Good point.
I used that word only in a context of someone trying to advocate for a stupid weed that just grows from the ground.In the grand scheme of things,what does it mean?
Don't answer.
I realize that I'm a little late with my responses (perhaps because my reflexes are cloudy from all the pot haze swirling around between my ears,) but Hell, I'll add my two cents.
:p
My pot consumption has amounted to one oz per year for the last 3 years. That said, I toke up with a drag on my one-hitter pipe almost every night.
My useage is akin to the business man who unwinds with a nightcap. It isn't a necessity, but it makes my very happy world even happier for a few hours. I consider my pot use an exercise in hedonism more than anything sinister, destructive or immoral. I don't really enjoy being TOASTED.
What I haven't been able to come to terms with is all of the negative publicity pot seems to garner. Would I want my kids to smoke pot? Never. Did I smoke pot as a kid? Never. Nancy Regan's "JUST SAY NO" campaign still echoes in my brain. Have I worried that I'm addicted? Yes. Have I voluntarily gone weeks on end without a puff just to test my addiction? Yes.
Have I ever succumbed to the oft-believed scare tactic that Pot is the gateway to other more ilicit drugs? Nope. That is untrue.
There's a line from the musical HAIR that says, "Anybody who tells you that pot is bad for you is full of SHIT," and there's a lot of truth to that.
I pay my bills, I honor my friends and family and have a very stylish apartment in the Hollywood section of Los Angeles, CA. I sometimes earn my living as a musician, and career-wise, the benefits of my pot consumption far outweigh the negative aspects.
What nobody has commented on yet is how amazing it is to listen to a symphony when you're stoned. Or pop music. Listen to ANY kind of music while stoned, and you're hearing your FAVORITE piece for the very first time. Have you ever eaten a delicious meal when you're stoned? How about enjoyed pot brownies? Organized your closet while stoned? Had sex while you're stoned?
There is a time and a place for everything, and you're a dork if you let yourself turn into a lazy slob just because you've enjoyed too much of a good thing. Therefore, I believe the real problem here is the abundance of dorky, lazy slobs in our society, not people who have a healthy respect for the Earth, and everything beautiful contained therein.
Bravo, bravo, applause, applause.:cool:
Ahemmm!!! 36.07% of people that voted say they have'nt tried it,methinks some one or ones are fibbing. :D
Don't do it now as Ive stopped smoking tobacco but you can't beat puffin a doobie then clamping on the headphones to a little Pink Floyd (Wish you were here) a favorite of mine and just mellowing out to the end of the cd.
Drool............
Originally posted by be-bop
Ahemmm!!! 36.07% of people that voted say they have'nt tried it,methinks some one or ones are fibbing. :D
I'm one of those... what can I say? I've downed my share (at least) of booze and indulged in smokin tobacco for a few months, but I just never felt the urge to try weed.
Originally posted by be-bop
Ahemmm!!! 36.07% of people that voted say they have'nt tried it,methinks some one or ones are fibbing. :D
Even considering such a small sample, that actually seems a little low -- I mean, 63.93% of those polled confirmed having at least smoked it at some point. Most national polls (for the US and Canada at least) tend to show a 30-50% usage level.
My personal experience with the whole "is it addicting" thing. I haven't smoked for over 2 weeks now, and I haven't particularly missed it. I'm an addictive-type personality anyway. If pot was addictive, I would definitely have noticed by now. I also have an extra $50 to spend on Godiva chocolates with nacho cheese sauce. woot.
Originally posted by SteveDallas
I'm one of those... what can I say? I've downed my share (at least) of booze and indulged in smokin tobacco for a few months, but I just never felt the urge to try weed.
this is probably why you like opera music so much.
Figure this one out:
My neighbor catches wild birds in a huge cage in his yard. He does this because he likes one particular type of bird to hang around his house. He lets the one kind he likes free, and smashes the heads of the rest with a hammer.
What this fuck-hole does is legal, but were I to grow a particular type of plant, I'd be in prison. What a great country.
Quzah.
Trapping and bapping birds on the head is probably not legal.
How about field mice?
[SIZE=1]little bunny foo foo...[/SIZE]
Q, unless your neighbor is shooting crows on a Friday, Saturday, or Sunday with a valid small game hunting license, he is violating the law.
Call the game warden on his ass.
and if the Law cannot/will not stop thy birdie-killing neighbor, an untimely fire (after all trapped birds have gotten away of course) might just give him pause.
Brian
Originally posted by BrianR
and if the Law cannot/will not stop thy birdie-killing neighbor, an untimely fire (after all trapped birds have gotten away of course) might just give him pause.
Brian
I'm not what you call a green, eco-friendly kind of guy, but I'm with you on this one. Sometimes you have to step outside of the box.
Regardless of your secular/religious orientation I feel that humaity IS the steward of the environment specifically because we are outside of the usual ecological cycle. Our presence destabilizes it where ever we are present. So we have to compensate for our presence.
That fucktard needs to go.
Unfortunately, Starlings and Sparrows are considered
preditory birds, and as such, it's perfectly legal for him to bash them. It doesn't mean I have to like it. I've been trying to figure out exactly what I should do. But from a legal standpoint, I can do nothing.
Quzah.
Originally posted by lumberjim
this is probably why you like opera music so much.
Man, you've got this opera obsession going on. Maybe we need to kidap you and take you to the Met.
Originally posted by SteveDallas
Man, you've got this opera obsession going on. Maybe we need to kidap you and take you to the Met.
LJ, while a fine guy in many respects, leans toward the neanderthal.
Originally posted by SteveDallas
Man, you've got this opera obsession going on. Maybe we need to kidap you and take you to the Met.
A friend was telling me, he and his wife had a box at the Met in NY the night after Thankgiving. The box had a TV that showed a closeup of the singer like at a rock concert. The best part was the lyrics were shown across the bottom in English. I could get into that.:)
Originally posted by BrianR
and if the Law cannot/will not stop thy birdie-killing neighbor, an untimely fire (after all trapped birds have gotten away of course) might just give him pause.
Brian
We must becareful not to become what we hate. Killing birds or untimely fires is all the same.
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
A friend was telling me, he and his wife had a box at the Met in NY the night after Thankgiving. The box had a TV that showed a closeup of the singer like at a rock concert. The best part was the lyrics were shown across the bottom in English. I could get into that.:)
I've never been in the fancy boxes so I don't know about the video! But almost all opera houses project English titles these days. The Met resisted for years, but they now have a seat-back LCD system that displays the titles so you can choose to turn off the display if you don't like it.
Originally posted by dar512
LJ, while a fine guy in many respects, leans toward the neanderthal.
you're just still mad about that time when i hit you with my club and stole your woman.
actually, while i am educated, and majored in art in college, i DO tend to relate better to simple pleasures. I might actually enjoy an opera, but i think i'd have to be really really stoned. I love classical music....bach, motzart, schroeder.
you know, the masters.....
Nope, personally StraightEdge...
And how many 15 year olds can say THAT? *grin*
Originally posted by JeepNGeorge
We must becareful not to become what we hate. Killing birds or untimely fires is all the same.
No, it's not. Killing those birds is spoiling your environment so that it suits your decadent, wasteful desires. Running that individual away is keeping your environment closer to its original, functioning standard.
I sound like a damn hippy, but trapping and then bashing in the heads of those birds horrible.
I bet he's a damn yuppie.
And it's easy to avoid becoming what you hate. Keep high standards, morals and ethics and avoid compromise.
Originally posted by CrySanctuary
Nope, personally StraightEdge...
And how many 15 year olds can say THAT? *grin*
not enough. If you ever feel the need to try it, just wait till you're done with high school. Not that it would kill you or anything, but it would save your parents a couple gray hairs.
Originally posted by mrnoodle
not enough. If you ever feel the need to try it, just wait till you're done with high school. Not that it would kill you or anything, but it would save your parents a couple gray hairs.
You know, I really don't. I've been offered (many drugs) plenty of times, my whole high school is full of stoners... I think I've gotten past the main reason kids try it - peer preasure. That's never been a problem for me fortunetly.
I've already talked to one of my siblings about this...if I ever DO try it, then I sure aint gettin' wiser with age!:rolleyes:
I must ask this, hijacking my own post for the moment - You didn't by chance take your name from the infamous Noodle Boy, did you?
nope. One of the bands I was in called me that because I can't stop farting around on guitar during "in-between" times. I noodle. so it stuck. I even have it on one of my guitar cases. lol
I disagree...there is no parallel between the burning of an inanimate structure and the willful killing of innocent and relatively helpless lesser life forms.
The animals were given to us, not to wantonly destroy because it suits us, but as a part of a whole entity, the world, and it is incumbent (another $10 word) upon us to be the stewards of that world; to refrain from destruction for destruction's sake, to kill only for food or for personal safety. The death of those birds serves no purpose other than his personal edification (that's a $5 word).
Dagney has a next-door neighbor who traps squirrels because they annoy him. But unlike your murderous neighbor, he takes them miles away and releases them. I, therefore, do not have a problem with that. But it is senseless death that bothers me to the point of costing me sleep.
I would put a quick stop to this slaughter were I you.
Brian
I do not approve of killing the birds. No how. No way.
That said, I don't believe the flora and fauna of the earth was left to my stewardship, or yours. That's a religious thing.
Humans are just another critter left to his only devices to survive in a very hostile world. We were better equipt and have evolved to where if we really put out mind to it, could control everything, maybe even the weather to some degree. But that gives us neither the obligation nor right to do so.
Sure, it would be smart to take a que from other critters not to be screwing everything up around us. Those birds might dine on a bug that could wipe us out. There's too much we don't know.
Originally posted by lumberjim
you're just still mad about that time when i hit you with my club and stole your woman.
actually, while i am educated, and majored in art in college, i DO tend to relate better to simple pleasures. I might actually enjoy an opera, but i think i'd have to be really really stoned. I love classical music....bach, motzart, schroeder.
you know, the masters.....
Well, I knew you were educated. But I have to admit I thought you would think that opera was wimpy. My mistake.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
not whimpy as long as there are viking helmets and fat chicks.....it appeals to the biker in me.
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
I do not approve of killing the birds. No how. No way.
That said, I don't believe the flora and fauna of the earth was left to my stewardship, or yours. That's a religious thing.
Humans are just another critter left to his only devices to survive in a very hostile world. We were better equipt and have evolved to where if we really put out mind to it, could control everything, maybe even the weather to some degree. But that gives us neither the obligation nor right to do so.
Sure, it would be smart to take a que from other critters not to be screwing everything up around us. Those birds might dine on a bug that could wipe us out. There's too much we don't know.
I disagree. For myself, our stewardship is entirely based on our need to not screw up our environment. I'm not an animist, or an eco-freak. I just know that systems don't last as long as they have without some degree inherent balance. Humans mess up that balance at this point. Early on we were incapable of enough damage to skew things. Now, on the other hand, we can do significant harm. Our only obligation is to ourselves, but that obligation involves tending our fields not shepharding our or the animal's souls.
I agree that we don't know enough though.
Originally posted by lumberjim
not whimpy as long as there are viking helmets and fat chicks.....it appeals to the biker in me.
Have you seen American Choppers on cable? My brother introduced me to it over the weekend. What a hoot.
That show is great. I'm just waiting for the Teutels to beat the living shit out of each other on camera...
Originally posted by CrySanctuary
Nope, personally StraightEdge...
And how many 15 year olds can say THAT? *grin*
Is that some new drug I haven't heard about, or are you one of those kids that do all kinds of extreme shit, including tattoos and piercings, but won't use drugs, drink, or have sex?
Originally posted by Troubleshooter
I disagree. For myself, our stewardship is entirely based on our need to not screw up our environment. I'm not an animist, or an eco-freak. I just know that systems don't last as long as they have without some degree inherent balance. Humans mess up that balance at this point. Early on we were incapable of enough damage to skew things. Now, on the other hand, we can do significant harm. Our only obligation is to ourselves, but that obligation involves tending our fields not shepharding our or the animal's souls. I agree that we don't know enough though.
There are predators out there that can kill almost anything in their neighborhood. They don't because there is no need. They kill enough to eat and killing more would be a waste of energy. But they don't have "stewardship" or "domain" over they rest of the critters.
I believe we agree, we would be wise to follow their example and only take what we need and leave the rest alone.
The point I was making, or trying to, is that "stewardship" or "domain" over the beasts is a religious thing, and I don't buy it.
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
I believe we agree, we would be wise to follow their example and only take what we need and leave the rest alone.
The point I was making, or trying to, is that "stewardship" or "domain" over the beasts is a religious thing, and I don't buy it.
Yeah, we agree.
But I still contend that my belief in a need for "system maintenance", if the word stewardship is unpalatable to you, is necessary because our consciousness, our ability to think abstractly is what makes us the most likely to damage the system we live in. All I'm worried about is having an environment that will continue to provide for the human species. It's not religious in any sense. I'm significantly non-theistic.
There is a book by Michael Shermer called "The Science of Good and Evil." I think you might appreciate it.
Book Description
In his third and final investigation into the science of belief, bestselling author Michael Shermer tackles the evolution of morality and ethics
A century and a half after Darwin first proposed an “evolutionary ethics,” science has begun to tackle the roots of morality. Just as evolutionary biologists study why we are hungry (to motivate us to eat) or why sex is enjoyable (to motivate us to procreate), they are now searching for the roots of human nature.
In The Science of Good and Evil, psychologist and science historian Michael Shermer explores how humans evolved from social primates to moral primates, how and why morality motivates the human animal, and how the foundation of moral principles can be built upon empirical evidence. Along the way he explains the im-plications of statistics for fate and free will; fuzzy logic for the existence of pure good and pure evil; and ecology for the development of early moral sentiments among the first humans. As he closes the divide between science and morality, Shermer draws on stories from the Yanamamö, infamously known as the “fierce people” of the tropical rain forest, to the Aum Shinrikyo cult in Japan, to John Hinckley’s insanity defense. The Science of Good and Evil is ultimately a profound look at the moral animal, belief, and the scientific pursuit of truth.
I'll check it out, thanks.:)
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
I'll check it out, thanks.:)
I feel almost cheated...
Originally posted by Troubleshooter
I feel almost cheated...
Don't be, I put it on your credit card.;)
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Don't be, I put it on your credit card.;)
Ah, good.
That's a small price to pay to bring someone out of the darkness. :D
Burning books make's the darkness go away.:haha:
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Burning books make's the darkness go away.:haha:
Oh yeah, you and the *insert preferred denomination here* Church...:rolleyes:
Originally posted by Troubleshooter
And it's easy to avoid becoming what you hate. Keep high standards, morals and ethics and avoid compromise.
Not to hijack the thread, but what do you consider high standards, morals and ethics? The standards, morals and ethics of society as a whole, or your own private morals, ethics and standards, which may or may not agree with or be acceptable to society as a whole? And as to compromise, don't you think that we all need to compromise, at certain points, just to be able to get along in the world? Or did you really mean to say, "avoid lowering your standards"?
We now return you to the tangled skein which this thread has become...:D
Originally posted by Shattered Soul
Not to hijack the thread, but what do you consider high standards, morals and ethics? The standards, morals and ethics of society as a whole, or your own private morals, ethics and standards, which may or may not agree with or be acceptable to society as a whole? And as to compromise, don't you think that we all need to compromise, at certain points, just to be able to get along in the world? Or did you really mean to say, "avoid lowering your standards"?
We now return you to the tangled skein which this thread has become...:D
First you have to establish a set of standards/morals/ethics, that will seperate you from most people.
Compromise relates to after you have established your parameters and a willingness to stick to them.
Not yet, good point soul.:)
Oh yeah, you and the *insert preferred denomination here* Church.
Oh, don't make that mistake. no, no, no!
"It's OK folks, were culling the library to protect "the children" but we're not a religious group so there's nothing to fear from us. No sir, better go keep an eye on the churches while we do what's best for you, here." :eek:
Originally posted by Troubleshooter
First you have to establish a set of standards/morals/ethics, that will seperate you from most people.
Compromise relates to after you have established your parameters and a willingness to stick to them.
So why does one's standards/morals/ethics have to set one apart? I understand when it comes to things like educational standards being higher than the state standards. Creating a personal set of standards there is just common sense. But society does have standards, morals and ethics. They're called "laws," among other things. Some are stupid, like not allowing gays to get married, and some are smart, like forbidding unjustified murder. But some people, for instance, think it's ok to beat their children above and beyond what society deems acceptable (like some religious groups who have been brought to court for child abuse, and then justified it with bible verse)--according to their morals, beating the devil out of your child is acceptable. According to a player's morals, it's ok to cheat on their S.O. According to the ethics of Clinton, messing around with an intern is ok, because it wasn't REALLY sex.
All of the above ethics, morals and standards are illegal, yet the people who hold them believe themselves superior to those who do not agree, or take them to task for their individual morals, ethics, and standards. They're willing to stick to these beliefs and not compromise on them because they believe they're more right than everyone else.
You managed to appear to answer the first question while not actually imparting any information; the second answer implies that you did mean "no compromise" (by that, I mean that when you said "a willingness to stick to them" that you meant that the more willing you are to stick to them, the less willing you are to compromise. If a religious nut is willing to stick to the "morality" of "beating the devil out of" a misbehaving child, and will not compromise to the point that the child is beaten to death or the courts intervene, does that make the person better because they didn't compromise?)
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
"It's OK folks, were culling the library to protect "the children" but we're not a religious group so there's nothing to fear from us. No sir, better go keep an eye on the churches while we do what's best for you, here." :eek:
Can you give me a for instance?
Not that you'd recognize. This happens on the local level when concerned parents/citizens decided to save everyone from themselves. No religious affiliation, "just friends of the library".
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Not that you'd recognize. This happens on the local level when concerned parents/citizens decided to save everyone from themselves. No religious affiliation, "just friends of the library".
The people around here have too much difficulty keeping their religion on the inside for them to get away clean...:)
I believe it though.
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Bravo, bravo, applause, applause.:cool:
Yeah, what he said.
You know how certain "brands" of pot come around every so often? They all have cute names like 'Bubblegum' or 'Alaskan Thunder Fuck (ATF)'. Everyone knows someone who can get it, but I could never find anyone who knew the original source.
I think people were making it all up. Did anyone ever smoke enough weed to be able to tell the difference? You know, like a wine connoisseur, but for pot.
Yes, it's a hijack, but it's related to the original.
A friend of mine could tell you what kind,how high up the plant, how high up the mountain/hill and where the hill was. But since nobody else could, how do we know he was right?
Yeah Noodle, there's an identifiable difference in strains.
Originally posted by mrnoodle
You know how certain "brands" of pot come around every so often? They all have cute names like 'Bubblegum' or 'Alaskan Thunder Fuck'...Did anyone ever smoke enough weed to be able to tell the difference?
The
truth is out there.
Dammit. I had quit, too. (Draws on remaining dregs of self-control) I will not add this site to my favorites list. I will not add this site to my favorites list. I will not add this site to my favorites list.
Does metal music make you want to smoke pot. I just fired up some old Def Leppard tunes and was wanting for something I cant quite explain....
....maybe whiskey.....but no. I never got into the whole pot thing, maybe I didnt listen to enough of the right music.
Originally posted by slang
...... wanting for something I cant quite explain....
I got it. To shoot the neighbor that's pounding on the wall. False alarm, sorry.
I couldn't find this anywhere else, so I'm going to post this link. If you are currently, used to be, or even know someone who smokes dope, you should watch this:
The Marijuana-loguesOh yeah, featuring the hilarious Arj Barker!
"The world's pretty fucked up right now.... shouldn't *I* be?"
Who needs a television?Enjoyed that.Party on world.
I'm getting garbled sound.:(
not all people are thesame, everyone is uniek, so let the ones who feel better with it , do it! Remember that there are some advantages to it too! For people with particular diseases can it be a great way to function or kill the pain! For normal people it can be a social drug, or it can kill some mental pain, or it can make u feel good... With everything u do there is a upper and downer-side ;-) If u dont cause any trouble , ur just smokin, and whats the difference between something u feel better with, than smoke a pack a ciggies a day? The smoke will both do you harm but wat effect is there on a normal cigarette? Im against smoking pot in public, in the car...anything that could cause a public issue, but at home u do as u like! I started 15 years ago, a joint a day, before i went to bed...now it increased a bit...the days i got vacation its maybe 2 or 3 a day....but i got no mental or fysical problem and dont drink! In fact it started when i was mentally unaible to sleep after my fathers dead...it was the only thing that helped me back than.....So not all smokers are potheads or junkies, i work with the government and im focussed every day...but like i said, everyones different...
There are in the human brain, receptors to which THC connects perfectly. A perfect fit. I believe this is why it is so effective in treating MS. Apparently it "covers over" the gaps in the mylin sheath basically providing a route across the gap along which information can travel ( MS causes the mylin sheath to break down in places) ......I am not a doctor myself so my second hand explanation of the description told to me by a doctor maybe be a little garbled. Anybody out there know about the effects of THC on MS?
Heroin is a "perfect fit" for receptors in the human brain too. So what?
(no, I am not equating herion and MJ use, nor will I start the slippery slope/gateway drug argument)
The receptors they fit are different ones. Heroin, unfortunately, fits some of the receptors that govern involuntary functions, which is why it's so dangerous and why overdose results in death. THC fits the receptors for a set of brain chemicals known as anandamides, so well that I think they are starting to call them "cannabinoid receptors" ...and does not attach to receptors that control involuntary activity, which is why overdose is safe and only results in sleep.
Chocolate also contains anandamides. They figure they control memory, and bliss.
I'm one of those wierd people who get paranoid from pot. I would smoke it as a social thing with friends in college, but every single time it would give me something like an anxiety attack. I have no problem with the people who do get a nice buzz off of it and use it responsibly. Its probably less harmful than our legal drug - alcohol. I do enjoy the occasional glass of wine and if a pal of mine wants to light up while I drink my glass of wine, we can have a nice companionable buzz together. To each her own.;)
Wolf I just thought it was interesting:P
Thanks UT that was the information I was lookin for
receptors or no receptors, a lot depends on yourself and the environment u live in! Some people dont get enough outta MJ and look for other stuff to experiment, anything can be addictive, but the harder the drug, the tougher it is! Ive seen a lot a people die here fron heroin, ive never seen one die because off MJ, off course on a long term it can be harmfull...but it depends again on the user and the ammount he uses! Two minds never work alike, so some people get paranoid, and some feel good...
I wouldnt advice anyone to just start smoking for pleasure, but than again there are much wurse things people do for their pleasure!!
Someone said something with which I totally agree:I'm suspicious of people who don't self medicate.Is that bad? I don't think so.
The real point is not whether you do or don't, but whether you have the right to choose. In the words of the famous philosopher, Lou Reed;
"It ain't nobody's business, nobody business
No, no, no no, nobody's business, no, no, ...
It ain't nobody's business, yeah, but my own
Nobody's business, but my own."
Originally posted by farfromhome
Someone said something with which I totally agree:I'm suspicious of people who don't self medicate.Is that bad? I don't think so.
Self-medication is merely acknowledgement of a problem, or a symptom of the problem.
I spent six moths self-medicating, luckily I realized that it solved nothing, and in my case was killing me.
Or even worse, they use the problem as an
excuse to self-medicate.
it aint always like that , like i said, people are not all alike, maybe you had a real bad experience, for some people with m-s its a great help...!! And off course there will be some who try to get it with their disease as an excuse...but like "the great Bruce" above me said....why is nobodys business....
bump - ended up here cuz of an IotD thread and spaced out reading 12 pages on smokin weed. Curious what current dwellers think or if opinions of those who already posted had been "altered" since then...
I used to smoke everyday for years. I grew it (like bonsai) Followed bands around the country with it & more... that I won't admit to. The last few times I had tried it were not good experiences.
Once my daughter was conceived I was done with it and never looked back.
Used to do it on a daily basis for about 1.5 years, which was plenty.
It was too expensive of a habit, and there was a lot of work I could have gotten done, lots of things I could have learned, but didn't.
Still do it occasionally, but I can go many months without it just fine.
When it's there, with the right setting and the right people, why not?
my two daughters gave me a beautiful bong for my birthday. Does that answer your question? :)
There had to be a reason your name is "Cloud".
Smoke it once in a while, usually with my Ex who is an everyday-er.
Not a big fan. It tastes lousy and makes me cough.
I prefer Vodka, rum or tequila once or twice a week.
But if I could get my hands on vicodin, I'd be on that fluffy, pink cloud every chance I had. lol!!!
There had to be a reason your name is "Cloud".
it's my teenage hippie girl name. Actually it referred to my hair!
it's my teenage hippie girl name.
"
Like sleeping on a cloud."
Occasionally, when certain acquaintences bring it over (maybe 3 or 4 times a year)
Having already 'fessed up to drinking bhong water, I might as well acknowledge that I did inhale, and did experience euphoric sensations.
In my final year of high school I did not smoke. I got a part time job. I failed that year.
I repeated my final year the next year, started smoking - rapidly reaching a 4 to 7 days per week rate - and passed.
I continued to smoke at uni, not every single day but most days, occasionally drying out for a few weeks, sometimes going through phases where due to depression I was into the bhongs-for-breakfast behaviour. This is not a good way to manage your life. :p Nevertheless, my marks continued to rise, my final year was straight As, I wrote my honours thesis with a bud-loaded tobacco pipe on my desk, and got a "clear first" which got me a scholarship to do a PhD.
The PhD was written in phases of smoking and not smoking, which were about equally productive. I do not like to get really wasted, just a little to get things flowing. The effect seems conducive to rearranging ideas in new ways, but can really mess with your ability to write a grammatically correct sentence.
I have learned not to go to work (as in paid work) stoned. If anything slightly out of the routine happens, it is such a bloody hassle. And it is an inefficient way to enjoy your stash.
However, in the event of an emergency, I have been able to pull myself together and handle the situation, probably not at 100% of my capacity, but enough. As a senior resident in a dorm I twice led responses to fire alarms and once handled a first aid incident in this way.
Since leaving uni, I've been traveling, working, or both. I sometimes enjoy a small smoke after work before going for a stroll in the park. Hiking and sitting by a stream is also very much enhanced by smoking, as well as the previously mentioned activities of musical appreciation and eating.
For the last two years, I haven't touched the stuff, but that's because I've been in Japan and (a) can't get it and (b) the consequences of being busted are very severe.
For most people, occasional cannabis use has only a temporary mental effect. However, long term daily use can lead people into the "withdrawal trap". You get baked and don't do whatever it was you were supposed to do that day, your life gets crappy, so the next day it becomes more attractive to get baked again ...
Furthermore, for people with an existing mental illness or even a disposition to mental illness, cannabis can trigger an acute episode. "Reefer Madness" is 98% BS, but there is a grain of truth buried in amongst it.
Medically, inhaling smoke is bad for your lungs and mouth. Cancer, emphysema, that kind of stuff. A bhong filters out a lot of the bad stuff. Better yet, an aromatherapy vapouriser just delivers the good stuff without the bad. Also good is eating cookies, except the dosage can be hard to judge. I believe cannabis relaxes your immune system.
While there appears to be little or no chemical addiction, it is both psychologically habit forming and just plain fun. If I want to give up or go dry for a while, I have to run out or entrust my stash to a friend. If it is in the house, I find it very hard to resist temptation.
In the long run, smoking cannabis almost certainly HAS shortened my life expectancy. But I read a good line in response to that. IIRC it was by Luciano de Crezenso.
So much effort goes into trying to lengthen life. We would get better return by trying to broaden it.
What'll it be? 85 years on the straight-and-narrow, or 80 years with frequent visits to cloud nine and playing with the pixies deep in the magic woods?
as in all things, moderation is key. too much just makes you a bum.
Never tried it, probably never will...but I'm pro legalization (with regulations similar to alcohol.)
I have to say, I find it really hard to believe that the majority of those who voted have never tried it. Unless we have a secret Mormon conglomerate on here. But even then.
Reality is for people who can't handle drugs.
I haven't voted yet, but I've tried it. Maybe I should vote.
I think I'll get a snack first though...hmmmm...I'm hungry. What was I gonna do again?...oh yeah, get a snack cause I'm hungry, then something else, but first...maybe a little nanna nap...ZZzzzzzz...
I have to say, I find it really hard to believe that the majority of those who voted have never tried it.
Funny, I used to agree with you. I also thought "everybody smokes it" Strange how when I got out of the circle of those who did, how many there were that knew nothing about it and/or never tried nor wanted to try it. Still amazes me.
I do see what you're saying. But...I was referring more to people here, on the Cellar.
What Blue is saying Classic is that she has always thought we were all a big bunch of potheads. ;)
interesting in light of the very first post, in which LJ says he thinks more people have tried it than not; and that CellarDwellars are a bunch of nerds.
:)
I think it depends somewhat on your age, your circle of friends, your interests, your location, etc. When I was a teenager, certainly no one with any claims to coolness ever refused pot. It was ubiquitous.
The whole point (back then) was not just to get loaded; it was to expand your conciousness; to think in ways your parents didn't; to enhance creativity and attempt to reach Nirvana by chemical means; and to have fun, of course.
Things have changed.
i think it's funny that it used to partially define me. i was pot. and now...i never smoke.
I do see what you're saying. But...I was referring more to people here, on the Cellar.
Ohhh, gotcha. Well I smoked so much in my youth that I'll, probably be termed a "stoner" for life.
The whole point (back then) was not just to get loaded; it was to expand your conciousness; to think in ways your parents didn't; to enhance creativity and attempt to reach Nirvana by chemical means; and to have fun, of course.
Things have changed.
Boy have they ever!
i think it's funny that it used to partially define me. i was pot. and now...i never smoke.
It used to totally define me, in fact, my life revolved around it. All my "friends" did it, my income was derived from it, my personality and entertainment were all based upon it. I was conscious of it 24/7. Getting it, smoking it, not getting caught with it... It completely absorbed my life.
Once I stopped, most all of those "friends" didn't hang around anymore and were replaced with others. My time and money went to more productive and lasting outlets. The paranoia left me and I didn't cringe at the sight of a cop. My entire outlook on life and my drive changed completely.
I don't dislike those that do it, in fact some of them I envy. For me though, its a dead-end road that sucks the life and motivation outta me.
Lotta great memories that I wouldn't trade for the world, but thats where its gonna stay, a part of the past.
It used to totally define me, in fact, my life revolved around it. All my "friends" did it, my income was derived from it, my personality and entertainment were all based upon it. I was conscious of it 24/7. Getting it, smoking it, not getting caught with it... It completely absorbed my life.
that's pretty much a definition of addiction (whether or not cannibis is physically addicting or not). So, I'm glad for you, because if you can't control [insert substance here]; it controls you.
I tell you what disturbs me more though, and I realize this is a bit off topic: I have many young friends in their 20s who abuse alcohol worse than I ever abused anything. Their whole social life revolves, not around being in a social setting and having a few drinks with their friends, but getting totally smashed several nights a week. I mean passing out, puking smashed. It's sad to me, not to mention gross.
always preferred cannibis to alcohol, which is probably why I've stuck with it throughout my life.
That, and I never want to grow up. :)
I'll use it a few times a week when hanging out with my friends or when my band wants to jam.
My friends and I are thinking of cooking it more now. If I smoke it is out of a hookah or bubbler so its rarely intense smoke but I still would prefer not smoking it.
a couple 4th of Julys ago, I ate a cookie made with ghee. i ate it a 5:30 on an empty stomach. at 7 i was wondering if it was bunk. at 7:30 i was so cooked that i started having a panic attack. it lasted until 1 am. every 20 minutes it came in waves. oh my freaking god. there were no fireworks at our house that year. that'll larn me.
Haha, yeah it takes a while to get the effect. It took me about an hour or so.
But funny story concerning pot brownies. My friend made brownies before break and he had four left so him, my friend, and I decided to have one and then give the last one to my other friend who just went on a month break from pot and wanted to just get baked that night. When he came over to my friend's house we had some complications since the dealer he, the guy finishing his break, was buying from was taking awhile and we didn't have enough room in the car for me and my two friends so we stayed back, gave him the brownie, and he drove to another house where he was going to meet up with our dealer.
Apparently we forgot to tell him that the brownie was laced so he started to feel the effects while waiting and freaked out thinking that his body was producing an illusion because he was really looking forward to smoking that night. He got made fun of so much that night for acting like an idiot (well he was high).
I tried it once, when I was in grad school, maybe 23 years old. At the time, Red was a produce manager of a large grocery store. He caught one of his employees rolling a joint in the cooler. He confiscated it, and brought it home to share with our neighbors, whom we were good friends. I tried several inhalations, but never really felt anything. *shrug* Red did a lot in high school and college. He pretty much had quit both smoking and drinking when we started hanging out. At that point in his life, he was getting over a severe alcohol problem. I'll let him post about that if he wants.
In high school, I pretty much hung out with 'good' kids, and didn't really even drink a whole lot. In fact, I was the 'bad seed', heh. Pot just wasn't something that any of us had access to, so no one I knew, save one friend, ever did it. I just didn't want to get busted with it, and kicked out of college, or have it affect my record when I wanted to work...so I just stayed away.
I was a slut instead. :lol: Sex was legal, and in my mind a whole lot safer, and not to mention more fun to me. Boys were a lot easier to find than booze, and if you played your cards right, you could get both at the same time :D.
ha! how funny. back in the days of "free love" (aka after the pill and before Aids) everyone slept around--except me. Because I was in luuuuuve and faithful.
Silly me.
I have to say, I find it really hard to believe that the majority of those who voted have never tried it. Unless we have a secret Mormon conglomerate on here. But even then.
32% isn't a majority. It just isn't subdivided into further categories.
a couple 4th of Julys ago, I ate a cookie made with ghee. i ate it a 5:30 on an empty stomach. at 7 i was wondering if it was bunk. at 7:30 i was so cooked that i started having a panic attack. it lasted until 1 am. every 20 minutes it came in waves. oh my freaking god. there were no fireworks at our house that year. that'll larn me.
ghee != clarified butter?
huh?
I've never tried it myself but I've had a contact high once. A couple of friends and I were in a relatively small car waiting for another friend to get off work so we could all go for dinner. One guy decides he can't wait until after dinner and lights up in the car. Out of curtesy, he rolls down his window and does his best to fan the smoke out. It doesn't work and he ends up fogging the car. So by the time we got to the restaurant the two of us who didn't smoke were giggling non-stop. Everything was hilarious. EVERYTHING.
I was pretty pissed off afterwards though.
Ghee itself does not imply drugs. It is a main ingredient in every Indian cookbook and I guarantee you they're not talking about serving pot to your family every night for dinner. Ghee is often mixed with drugs, however, because
Absorption: Ghee is an integral part of the practice of ayurvedic herbal formulation. Since ghee is an oil, it can bond with lipid-soluble nutrients and herbs to penetrate the lipid-based cell membranes of the body. It is stated to increase the potency of certain herbs by carrying the active components to the interior of the cells where they impart the most benefit.
well, my lipids were totally penetrated, lemme tell ya.
32% isn't a majority. It just isn't subdivided into further categories.
sigh. I guess I should have said, "I can't believe the Never Tried It option has more votes than each of the other choices." That would be correct...right? ;)
sigh. I guess I should have said, "I can't believe the Never Tried It option has more votes than each of the other choices." That would be correct...right? ;)
I think the term you were looking for is the
mode.
Or you could also call it a plurality.
This is a surprisingly educational thread.
Or you could also call it a plurality.
Ah, that is a good one, and I believe, in this case, more appropriate.
sigh. I guess I should have said, "I can't believe the Never Tried It option has more votes than each of the other choices." That would be correct...right? ;)
Yes, I just wanted to point out that according to the poll, two out of three people have tried it, and 45% still use it. I don't think that's especially Mormon.
Stay on topic, you potheads.
"Stay on target! Stay on target!"
. . . a gratuitous 70s reference for all us potheads, brought to you by the Letter Ghee. :D
"Stay on target! Stay on target!"
. . . a gratuitous 70s reference for all us potheads, brought to you by the Letter Ghee. :D
"We're too close!"
"Loosen up!"