Can we start over... again?
Can we start over?
Untertoad please don't do the same thing again.
I'll not post as much.
I'm sorry.
I'll stay low and out of everyones way.
Jesus Christ...fucking block her completely.
No Syc... April all we ask is that you take it seriously and not use it as your personal attention-seeking playground/sandbox. If you GET IT you can stay. If not you have to go. Simple as that.
I agree.
April, the Cellar is a community. To be taken seriously, you have to take it seriously. Afford it the same respect you seek and you'll do fine here.
Do you have something to add? Cool. Post it if you think other people will be interested in it. Try writing something up - don't just post little "Me too!" or "Yeah!" posts.
Why don't you start by telling us about who you really are. Don't make anything up.
What you get back from the community is what you give. If you make an effort and are good to the community, the community will be good to you.
While I respect the fact that it's your decision to make UT, I strongly disagree with letting her stay. I think the Dwellars were more than accomodating to begin with, not to mention she's hidden under one (maybe two) id's already.
And while people certainly have the ability to change, at least several folks that are assholes and/or started as assholes here brought some substance. And if we're one of the only boards these folks can access at school, I'd hate to see what else could be brought in.
My $0.02...
Well if they get out of hand again it will be an easy problem to fix.
Just please - no more F YOU tirades. That was beyond uncalled for.
Welcome back but heed dave's words.
And I don't think the point is to "...stay low and out of everyone's way" - I believe its to figure out how to find a way to fit in and contribute which will surely involve screwing up once or twice (as I can attest). But as long as they are good efforts, folks here seem pretty tolerant.
Find your niche but dont' force it and don't be so easily offended or challenged. And, if I may suggest, don't post pissed. Calm down first.
These are my observations but I haven't been here that long myself so I could be wrong.
No more F you posts I promise.
I'm April, I'm 17 and a senior in high school. I have a 9 1/2 month old little girl. I'm not really lonely in high school. I have a lot of friends. I was just trying to start an interesting conversation. Thats me. Anything else you want to know?
other advice: read some threads.
If you have something to say, chip it in. But if you spend more time reading than posting, you'll get more out of the experience.
Who's the father? Is he helping out?
yeah, let her stay, as long as she promises to say something really really stupid at least once a day. I like it when dave reams her out. and change her handle to "fluffer"
that was only my $.01 I'm cheap!
Originally posted by April
I was just trying to start an interesting conversation.
Well, you are certainly in the right place for that!:)
First of all, GRADUATE! My hat is off to you for staying in school! :beer: (That's root beer for you, dammit :)
Secondly, do you have help caring for your baby? Is it a boy or girl, are your parent(s) helpful? Is daddy "in the picture."
One thing I am somewhat interested in is what they are telling high school kids these days. About sex, about politics, about social responsibility (in general), about everything that's not strictly "knowledge."
Are a lot of your friends going to college? Are you?
I do wonder where the class of 2004 will be coming from as I don't know anyone in that age group and suspect I am slightly out of touch in that regard.
Although I understand and respect your decision, UT ... I'm with syc on this one.
She had her chance. Folks here (myself included) made it very clear what the 'pool rules,' such as they are, were.
She didn't get it then, I doubt very much that she'll get it now.
And another thing ... This is an adult board, with adult content that April is accessing from her school ... what, if any, are the legal implications of this ... does any liability attach to you as the 'content provider'?
I think the full responsibility lies with the filter provider.
I Am Not A Lawyer, but IMO the relatively small proportion of indecent material that appears here, and the noncommercial nature of the enterprise, makes it highly unlikely anybody would bother to prosecute.
My mom takes care of my baby. Me and my b/f have been together for over 3 years and he lives with us.
Anything else. Yes I'm going to college and becoming a Graphic Designer.
Were you using any "protection" when you got pregnant?
That is foolish on more than one level.
So you still don't use protection?
I just have birth control, patch and pill.
Originally posted by april
I just have birth control, patch and pill.
Are those three separate things?
This is like talking to Billy.
Nah, Billy makes more sense.
Tries to use better grammar as well.
So...whats wrong with using "real" protection, the one with 99.9% rate of prevention...
Do you mean condoms? If so he won't by them and I don't have the $$. Hey give me some credit I ahven't had sex in over 3 months.
How old were you when you first had sex?
I don't really like this question b/c its embarrassing....12.
Originally posted by april
Do you mean condoms? If so he won't by them and I don't have the $$. Hey give me some credit I ahven't had sex in over 3 months.
Is it soooo hard to say "No!"
12??? WTF?! Geez...you're nuts. Where did you leave your straight jacket?
Were you ever sexually abused as a child? And, I'm just curious... how old was the guy you first had sex with?
Oh, I thought of another question. What are your parents like?
It was new years eve. He was drunk. I was young, stupid and curious, at first I said no, but he kept on. No I wasn't abused as a childd. Beleive me I regret it, alot. He was 19.
You know...frankly I'm almost certain that you're a troll and that you're just making all this shit up.
Post a picture of yourself and your daugher holding up a sign saying : "I don't use condoms!" and I'll believe you.
That or of your "bf" holding up a sign: "I raped a 12 year old"
A real man would care about you not getting HIV or pregnant, and would haul his happy ass to the free clinic (every city or county should have one, especially a city as large as Houston) to get condoms on the cheap or free. And if he doesn't wear one, don't give him any poontang.
Goddamnit, that kind of shit pisses me off to no end. "It doesn't feel right," "I'm clean," etc. Put a fucking rubber on that dick! Unless he's allergic to latex (which I doubt in this case).
For that matter, women should be on the protection tip at all times too.
FNF, tell me you're not referring to abstinence...
Originally posted by april
It was new years eve. He was drunk. I was young, stupid and curious, at first I said no, but he kept on. No I wasn't abused as a childd. Beleive me I regret it, alot. He was 19.
That's called a felony in most states.
Eh, it's believable enough. I've known girls in similar situations (including one that lost it at 11).
Try to do the right thing, April, and most of the time it'll end up okay.
I see what your saying. Yeah it is my fault. FNF yeah you have your opinion just calm down. I don't have a scanner but, I'll find a way.
Your first mistake was not dragging that 19 year old asshole of to court on Jan 1st. It'd be a great start for a new year.
What has his new year resolution? " I will no longer rape little girls." ?
I wouldn't consider it rape. I didn't stop him like I should have.
If you didn't want it, and he didn't stop it....
by definition, that's rape.
Pure and simple.
Well I figure if I didn't stop it its not rape. But whatever.
Rape isn't one of those things a lot of people feel comfortable with reporting right away. It was a mistake perhaps, but she's dealing with it. Whatever.
I know you don't care, FileNotFound, but one thing you might consider is this: When you asked for help regarding your elbow, people were helpful and informative. Perhaps you might use your helpful and informative comments on people that need them (like April) and save your invective and sarcasm for those that are less impressionable and couldn't give a shit about your opinion (like me).
In other words, if you don't have something nice to say, maybe you shouldn't say anything at all.
if you said no it is rape....unless you said no while flinging off your clothes....
Originally posted by dave
In other words, if you don't have something nice to say, maybe you shouldn't say anything at all.
I think a better rephrasing might have been:
"If you don't have something nice to say, say something nasty to Dave."
Edit: now that I think about it, that might make a good Cellar taglineIts statutory rape - consent is irrelevant.
But he's making good and being daddy so maybe that's not important right now.
What's important, imho, is the child and having a healthy household which is better if daddy isn't incarcerated.
WHatever happened, it sounds to me like things are on a good track.
Keep up the healthy attitue April - that'll get you very far in this world.
If you are legit,
Sometimes you think you're a "bad person" because you've done something bad or stupid. But that's not true; everybody makes mistakes.
If you look back and think about things, and realize what was a bad idea and what a good idea, then you improve as a person. Then you have an advantage over people who never made any mistakes, like FNF.
Then you have an advantage over people who never made any mistakes, like FNF.
...I flew of the left side of my bike, landed on my side and tumbled. (No before anyone asks, I was wearing NO saftey equipment... I've fallen off my bike countless times...
:p
I don't think she's said that it was the same guy at 12 that is the dad.
April, is the same guy the dad?
Try not to look at him as an ass. It doesn't really help. It's not a positive feeling. He has a different opinion, and he's not being particularly helpful or productive. That's okay - people will do that. It's just maybe not exactly what the conversation needs right now. You've said that you regret it and you know it was wrong; that's all you really need to say. If you can recognize your mistakes, then you have an advantage over the people that can't (which is most, believe it or not).
dave, your advice is appreciated and ignored.
What is April asking here for? Friends? Well I'm sorry dave, I won't be her friend because she's not my kind of person.
Compassion? Not out of me. Why should I feel sorry for someone else's fuckups? Thats what they are. Everything that happened to her has been her decision or a result of her accepting her position.
Advice? On what? Stay in school, use a god damn condom, next time and every damn time(I'll appreciate it).
I mean come on. Yeah I knew a girl who got raped also, guess what she did that same day? She went to the station to report it and draft a scetch of the sob while it was fresh in her mind and get a DNA sample and got a pregnancy check several days after. Emberassing? No dobut. Responsible thing to do? Yes.
Come on dave, what has this poor april suffered that she deserves my respect and support? Her own stupidity and irresponsibility?
Originally posted by april
Well I figure if I didn't stop it its not rape. But whatever.
No, there's no 'whatever' about it.
I didn't stop it when it happened to me, because I _COULD_ not stop it.
I definitely didn't want it.
Even if you didn't stop it, or want to stop it, or did whatever you felt necessary to seduce him into taking him to bed with you, he was of the age of majority, you were of the age of minority, which by definition of the law of most states, was rape.
Look at it this way - your 12 year old daughter is lured into bed by a 19 year old looking for a quick roll in the hay with no commitments.
Would YOU be upset?
Or perhaps I shouldn't ask that question, I think I already know the answer.
Beestie,
I'd think the fact that I pointed it out shows that I know it to be a 'mistake'. More of a risk. I have the saftey equipment, I wear it when I'm seriously mountain biking in places where there are lots of trees and jagged rocks and steep hills. I do not wear it when I'm going to the park with my friends for a relaxing ride...
I did point this out in the thread. But thats for misquoting me. Jerk.
Originally posted by FileNotFound
dave, your advice is appreciated and ignored.
What is April asking here for? Friends? Well I'm sorry dave, I won't be her friend because she's not my kind of person.
Compassion? Not out of me. Why should I feel sorry for someone else's fuckups? Thats what they are. Everything that happened to her has been her decision or a result of her accepting her position.
Advice? On what? Stay in school, use a god damn condom, next time and every damn time(I'll appreciate it).
I mean come on. Yeah I knew a girl who got raped also, guess what she did that same day? She went to the station to report it and draft a scetch of the sob while it was fresh in her mind and get a DNA sample and got a pregnancy check several days after. Emberassing? No dobut. Responsible thing to do? Yes.
Come on dave, what has this poor april suffered that she deserves my respect and support? Her own stupidity and irresponsibility?
Apparently you had trouble reading my post. I didn't ask you to care; I asked you to shut the fuck up.
I hope this clarifies any misunderstandings.
Dagney -
Different people deal with sexual assault in different ways. Who are you to judge?
She'll deal with it how she'll deal with it. Whatever works best for her.
Originally posted by fileNotFound
I did point this out in the thread. But thats for misquoting me. Jerk.
C'mon - I was just ribbing you! :)
Originally posted by dave
Dagney -
Different people deal with sexual assault in different ways. Who are you to judge?
She'll deal with it how she'll deal with it. Whatever works best for her.
Ignoring it isn't "dealing" with it. It's "ignoring it".
Originally posted by Beestie
Originally posted by fileNotFound
C'mon - I was just ribbing you! :)
Sigh..sorry. I'm in a pissy mood this week...it's been a bit of a mess.
Originally posted by dave
Dagney -
Different people deal with sexual assault in different ways. Who are you to judge?
She'll deal with it how she'll deal with it. Whatever works best for her.
Understood and I agree with you completely. However, shrugging things off with a 'whatever' - especially in relation to this particular topic is somewhat of a hot button to me.
I dealt with it the way I had to, and part of that is to try and educate people on what it really is.
No means no - no matter who says it.
It's rape if she feels like it was rape, or if she was mentally incapacitated in a manner that she couldn't make a decision.
Now, it's statutory rape no matter how you look at it, but statutory rape and rape are really two completely different things.
If the "victim" of it isn't furious about it, why should you be?
She didn't ask for advice.
Originally posted by dave
It's rape if she feels like it was rape, or if she was mentally incapacitated in a manner that she couldn't make a decision.
Now, it's statutory rape no matter how you look at it, but statutory rape and rape are really two completely different things.
If the "victim" of it isn't furious about it, why should you be?
She didn't ask for advice.
Oh so what did she ask for? Another baby?
Oh right..I forget..sorry..Another chance..right that's it. So how's it working so far then? Oh right not too well...
Hmm can I give some advice on that? Yes? Ok ....
Get yourself and your life in shape without pathetic excuses like "He won't buy them!" and you'll get some respect for it..till then...enjoy
Originally posted by dave
If the "victim" of it isn't furious about it, why should you be?
I was in mid-reply when I read Dave's last post. That's exactly what I was going to say, but a hell of a lot more succinct.
She was 12, he was 19, so it's
Statutory Rape, which isn't Rape. As the story is told, both were willing parties by the time it happened. Yes, 12 is too young to be making that sort of decision, but the guy didn't pin her down and force himself upon her. She decided to give it a go.
Hell, my story of the first time isn't so different, except I wasn't quite that young. A beautiful older woman wanted a piece of Pastrami, and though I resisted at first, she talked me into it eventually. As I look back on it, I'm not furious at her, because it was my own stupid mistake, and I was of sound mind when I made it. Plus, she was a very hot thirty-something. But regardless of the circumstances, I wouldn't play the victim card, either. Was I taken advantage of? Yes, but only because I allowed myself to be.
FileNotFound... dude... you're bashing on a 17 year old girl who is openly admitting to her mistakes. Such comments are probably not helpful or welcome. You don't have to like her, and don't have to sympathize with her, but you don't have to whip her with an emotional bike chain, either. Christ.
Not 'furious', just adamant.
This is the comment that raised a huge red flag for me
"It was new years eve. He was drunk. I was young, stupid and curious, .at first I said no, but he kept on. No I wasn't abused as a childd. Beleive me I regret it, alot. He was 19."
She regrets it, but I don't think it was her fault. I feel sorry for her that she was taken advantage of by someone a whole lot older than her that should have known better.
That's what I'm talking about. And if it's not rape by her definition of things, more power to her, but I don't want her daughter to grow up thinking that to be treated that way is okay. And unless April learns what rape 'is', she will.
It's not something to say 'whatever' about and shrug off.
Originally posted by hot_pastrami
Hell, my story of the first time isn't so different, except I wasn't quite that young. A beautiful older woman wanted a piece of Pastrami,
**
Plus, she was a very hot thirty-something. But regardless of the circumstances, I wouldn't play the victim card, either. Was I taken advantage of? Yes, but only because I allowed myself to be.
SHOW OFF!
fnf....ease up, big fella.
damn, i wish i had been paying attention to this thread today....lots o fun in here!
dave! how did you become so wise in the ways of the world? you are right on about this, and your sentiments are clearly motivated by a strong sense of justice. hats off to you, my friend.
I would not think you particularly LIKE April based on the previous r2d2/cutie/whatever that last one was thread, yet you defend her when fnf is out of line with his attack.
PS. this sounds like I'm sucking up, but I'm not....just givin the man his props....
Originally posted by dave
if you don't have something nice to say, maybe you shouldn't say anything at all.
Have I just entered the 5th dimension?
Originally posted by juju
Have I just entered the 5th dimension?
Yes, this is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius. Age of Aquarius...
Originally posted by juju
Have I just entered the 5th dimension?
I wish, because that would mean you weren't in this dimension, posting stupid shit on the Cellar.
Originally posted by april
No I never do.
Ok, so you never bothered with BC (at least before the pregnancy, but you say you do
*now*, after the fact).
So, I'm reading that you
wanted a baby at 17? Is this correct? :confused:
Originally posted by dave
In other words, if you don't have something nice to say, maybe you shouldn't say anything at all.
Is this a *special* thread? I can sympathize with the kid's story and situation but this isn't a group hug or therapy session. It's the internet, available to the world. More specifically the Cellar, where anyone can post their thoughts. If a person posts details of their private life, they have to accept what comes from the public, be it adoration or criticism.
In this case I think everyone will agree, she made at least one sizable mistake. The key is "made"... past tense. There's no do-overs so the real issue is the future.
My 2cents? April, you're a dumb kid and you really screwed up. Now, it sounds like you're trying to get your shit together and I really, really hope you do. For your sake and the baby's sake. It'll be hard and often discouraging but you can do it. I think the biggest mistake you could make now is another baby, so please be careful. :)
Originally posted by FileNotFound
I mean come on. Yeah I knew a girl who got raped also, guess what she did that same day? She went to the station to report it and draft a scetch of the sob while it was fresh in her mind and get a DNA sample and got a pregnancy check several days after. Emberassing? No dobut. Responsible thing to do? Yes.
Come on dave, what has this poor april suffered that she deserves my respect and support? Her own stupidity and irresponsibility?
HEY!! guess what? NOT EVERY RAPE VICTIM FEELS UP TO REPORTING IT! not only is being raped a terrible and humiliating experience, but telling people about it is a traumatizing experience as well.
this is something you will NEVER understand unless you have been through it, not even if your wife or mother has been through it. you will NEVER understand being raped, and the slew of shitty emotions that come with it, so don't try to convince someone that it is "responsible" to go to an authority, when they are NOT THINKING CLEARLY and are definitely not worrying about telling the cops about the situation. rape is a very personal matter, and it is something that the victim will NEVER get over. not everyone is emotionally detached enough to go straight to the police about the issue.
even if april doesn't consider her situation rape, it is not your place to scold her for not reporting it.
I have to go with Juju here...this thread is kinda like a Dali painting.
Interestingly enough, April's current boyfriend is also guilty of statutory rape, as the age of consent is 17 in Texas (and there's no mathematical way she could have conceived the child at 17).
Statutory rape laws mean well, but if you have two underage people consenting (like 15 and 16), why the hell bother? It should be used solely to prosecute dirty old men and women for taking advantage of the young, IMO.
April...if all this is legitimate...I do applaud you for staying in school and for having some goals for yourself. The next few years will probably be the biggest uphill battle of your life, but once you have reached your goals, I think you'll feel a great deal of satisfaction and achievement.
Having said this, your previous comments about lack of sexual education disturb me. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't taught in school, and maybe your parents didn't teach you anything either (lord knows my parents didn't), but can you honestly tell me that you haven't heard enough about the need to protect yourself from STDs and pregnancy? TV? Radio? Friends? Come on!
And then you tell us about the condom deal...that is simply irresponsible. You may love your boyfriend to death and may even want to marry him someday...but given that you're still so young, you should be protecting yourself from the possibility of an STD...because you just never know. And by the same token, unless you've had an STD/HIV test, you could have gotten something from the previous guy you were with. Condoms are cheap (even if you buy them at a drugstore) and easily available...always better to be safe than sorry.
(Actually, guys should totally use condoms to their advantage, as they can be helpful in delaying climax.)
In the end, just make sure you take care of yourself and your baby...be responsible.
(And make sure you're worshipping the ground your mom walks on for being so kind as to help take care of your baby.)
Yeah, I think it's a troll.
I wouldn't say she's necessarily a troll...but she's given enough reason to stir suspicion, at least in me.
Originally posted by april
I don't really like this question b/c its embarrassing....12.
Seems that at least you are recognizing on some level that this was not a good thing. At least I hope you recognize this.
Originally posted by sycamore
I wouldn't say she's necessarily a troll...but she's given enough reason to stir suspicion, at least in me.
No way would someone admit they'd had sex at 12 to a total stranger. At the very, very least, they would lie and say they were 16 or something.
It's just human nature. No one answers invasive questions like that.
You'd be really surprised at what people tell total strangers, Juju.
Sometimes that actually allows one to be more open and forthcoming than they would with someone who knows them well.
With someone that you already know, you have more concerns about the impression you are making rather than that of someone you never expect to meet.
Originally posted by juju
No way would someone admit they'd had sex at 12 to a total stranger. At the very, very least, they would lie and say they were 16 or something.
It's just human nature. No one answers invasive questions like that.
Thank you, Mr. Ph dot Fucking D in Psychology.
What wolf said, only with "fuck" used more frequently. Just because you watch Dr. Phil (the fucking charlatan) doesn't mean you have any qualifications whatsoever to make broad assumptions like that. I've witnessed total strangers being open hundreds of times because they don't have to worry about alienating "friends". Why do you think I can tell everyone about cleaning my ass? Why do you think Tony is so open about his divorce - to total strangers? How do you explain that, Mr. Fucking Smarty Pants?
Some days I'm sure you're retarded.
I'm just giving my opinion -- you're welcome to disagree.
Here's another opinion -- you're pathetic.
Here's another opinion - your daughter's ugly.
You weren't stating it as opinion, asshole. You were stating it as fact.
No way would someone admit they'd had sex at 12 to a total stranger. At the very, very least, they would lie and say they were 16 or something.
It's just human nature. No one answers invasive questions like that.
In other words, eat shit. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Go read a fucking book. Maybe if you get smart, you can stop making pizzas and start supporting your family.
I hope you treat your daughter the way you treat other people. Piggy will grow up to be a real piece of work.
Why exactly are you behaving like this?
Because you can't fucking read?
I just posted it. You are stating <b>as fact</b> something that is <b>demonstrably false</b> like you are an authority on the subject - when you are <b>very clearly not</b>.
When has this <b>ever</b> gotten <b>anything</b> but this type of reaction from me?
If you post bullshit, and I know better, I will call you on it. If you post it and are calling someone else a liar in the process, I will be equally discourteous to you. And if you want to go personal, then I'm all fucking game.
Perhaps a better question is "Why do I post shit about which I know nothing? Why don't I research what the fuck I'm talking about?" Did you forget to eat today?
Well, I intended it to be a statement of opinion, which I thought would be obvious given the context.
Generally, when I say something, it is by default my opinion unless I clarify it with the phrase "this is a fact".
Well generally, most people indicate opinion with "I think" or "I feel" or "In my experience". Not like this:
No one answers invasive questions like that.
There is no qualifier to indicate that it's an opinion. It is written like a fact. "Niggers steal bikes" is written like a fact. "I think niggers steal bikes" is written like an opinion.
So in addition to the Psychology book you obviously need to pick up, join me in re-learning English sentence construction.
yeah, i don't mean to take sides here, but...i'm going to have to side with dave on this one.
Most of what I discuss here is my opinion. If I qualified all of it, it'd get old and redundant real quick. So, I am content to simply clarify my facts instead.
You should know by now that I am always open to the possibility being wrong.
open to what possibility being wrong?
so april - this boyfriend / father is living with you and mom? is he of the mindset that this situation will go on forever, or has he wised up and realized that he needs to do something to rectify the situation? (baby products/food/rent are all way more expensive than condoms)
The guy that " raped" me IS NOT the father of my child. This guys name was Eduardo. My boyfriends name is Dany. Eduardo is long gone and probably dead or in Mexico. FNF ok you have a problem with me I'm not going to cry or be sad forever. When Dany learned of this he kicked Eduardos ass. What other questions are there?
Oh and yeah I wanted a baby at 17. Yeah there'll be alot of smartass comments on that one I'm just waiting for them.
Originally posted by april
Oh and yeah I wanted a baby at 17. Yeah there'll be alot of smartass comments on that one I'm just waiting for them.
My comments are not 'smartassed', purely questions to get a better understanding of things...
If you're 17, and are not able to completely take care of yourself (ie living on your own, away from your parents, supporting yourself and working for a living) why would you want a child that you will need to support for 18-20 years?
I could understand if you had already graduated from high school and were working at a job (of any type), but I can't fathom why someone would want to burden themselves more than they already are. (Or expect others to help with something they're not obligated to assist with)
April, I personally don't judge you for what you did, it's your life, but I hope that perhaps you could shed some light on why girls want to have children so young. (There has to be a reason - it's becoming nearly epidemic)
Dagney
All my friends that had babies those were supposed "acciendents". I wanted a baby only b/c I thought they were cute. I didn't consider the responsibility of one. Yeah I made a mistake but I'm taking care of her, she is mine and I will do what I need to do.
The teen birth rate has shown a decline since the 1950s.
Link.
Originally posted by bmgb
The teen birth rate has shown a decline since the 1950s.
Link.
FINALLY someone with a positive attitude. Thanks!
How could you possibly classify my last few posts as anything other than a "positive attitude"?
Not you but most people sorry.
People like FNF.
Originally posted by april
I wanted a baby only b/c I thought they were cute.
Just don't go out get a puppy cause they're cute. I'd hate to see yet another poor dog find itself in a dysfunctional family that loses interest in it once it looses it's cuteness.
By the way, have you ever taken an IQ test? I'm really curious, so far I think it's about half of GWBush...
Oh and the whole "teen birth rate continues to decline thing" it's not really a positive comment. It's more of an offtopic thread. The fact that teen birthrates are declining means kids are growing more responsible in general. You are not one of those kids.
You seeing this as positive is misguided at best. Thats like me saying "Number of speeders has declined! Go me!!" considering that I generaly go 20 over as long as the conditions allow...
These statistics have nothing to do with you and shouldn't make you feel warm and fuzzy inside.
No I have not why? Send me one I give you the score.
Yeah right anyways.....
That was sarcasm.
April, if you click the "profile" button on one of FileNotFound's posts (it's near the bottom and on the left) and then, at the bottom of the page, in the dark purple background area, there's a link that says "Add FileNotFound to Your Ignore List" - you'd probably be better off clicking that link and following through with the instructions. His intent is to harrass you. He takes issue with you as a person, not with any particular habit you have, so it's probably best to just block him out.
Originally posted by april
No I have not why? Send me one I give you the score.
Yeah right anyways.....
Pick one.Dave,
are you being nice to April because you think you might be able to bang her? Or do you just honestly feel like she needs defending cuz she is obviously ill equipped to defend herself from the sharks in these waters? be honest.
Originally posted by FileNotFound
Oh and the whole "teen birth rate continues to decline thing" it's not really a positive comment. It's more of an offtopic thread. The fact that teen birthrates are declining means kids are growing more responsible in general. You are not one of those kids.
You're right it has little to do with April. It was a response to Dagney...
Originally posted by Dagney
...I hope that perhaps you could shed some light on why girls want to have children so young. (There has to be a reason - it's becoming nearly epidemic)
The "epidemic" is probably that more teens are keeping their babies.
Originally posted by Dagney
Even if you didn't stop it, or want to stop it, or did whatever you felt necessary to seduce him into taking him to bed with you, he was of the age of majority, you were of the age of minority, which by definition of the law of most states, was rape.
Ya know, trying to convince the girl she was raped if she wasn't (in the real, coercive sense, not statuatory rape) is not doing her any favors.
As for wanting a baby at 17... seems to be a common form of craziness (using the laymen's definition, mind you) afflicting young women. Maybe it's a leftover survival trait, I don't know.
It happened a lot at my high school, certainly (which had a day care, used by students, that some of my classmates went to when they were kids -- teen pregnancy is NOT a new phenomenon). Including to girls who sure as hell should have known better.
Originally posted by dave
Here's another opinion - your daughter's ugly.
Leave the kid out of it, Dave.
(and you know I don't ordinarily get in the way of a curmudgeonly rant. Take it out on Juju, not his offspring. At last not until she has her own account and can give back as good as she gets.)
I, uh, see what you're saying, but I feel the point had to be made: personal attacks are not appropriate. It was extreme (and I don't actually find his daughter ugly), but if he wants to go there, I'm willing to accomodate.
(You'll notice that I questioned his credentials for making a statement like that but did <b>not</b> get personal until he did.)
I'm not questioning your making a personal attack, just so long as it's against the person with whom you are actually having the discussion/disagreement.
Your personal attacks tend to be rather amusing and inventive, and are an essential part of your personal charm and character.
Originally posted by wolf
charm and character
Dave, I think you've found your tagline for the week.
Dave, I also disagree with Juju's statement. However, I don't think he was coming across as him playing the expert.
Also, insulting his daughter and saying you didn't escalate until he did is ludicrous. He tageted only you, you aimed elsewhere. Insulting a persons family member is beneath you. What's more, insulting a child demeans you. It's an attack on someone completely incapable of defending itself. I know you're better than that. So, the question is why does Juju in particular piss you off so much? I've seen you come down on a lot of people around here. Never like you've come down on Juju of a few occasions. Now, insulting his newborn? What's up?
juju and I have been through this dance about a hundred times before. If you had any idea of the history and some of the things he's said to me, it would make a lot more sense.
The point is not "His daughter is ugly." The point is to be extreme. He took a discussion and turned it into "you're pathetic", which was an escalation that I did not appreciate. I returned fire. If juju wants to go on the personal, then I will too. I have stated it many times before, and nothing is going to change that. Whether or not I went "too far", I don't care. The conversation got back on track mighty fucking quick, didn't it?
Hmm, intersting... but I'm not buying. I've seen you hit people harder than he hit you more times than I care to think about. Also, people have said far worse and you've never resorted to that kind of tactic.
I suppose part of my confusion comes from everyone, except you, that I've spoken to from this board thinks the guy is pretty mellow. He's definately a sore spot for you. I was just wondering why.
Though, I must qualify that he seems to like pissing you off.
Hey Juju, I've asked Dave why you piss him off. Why do you namecall Dave when I don't think you've done so to any one else on the board? (with the possible exception of Radar)
Well, I'm glad I don't have to justify myself to you then.
Donald knows better. He caught me in a mood where I was not feeling like putting up with any of his shit. If he wants to play, I'll play. It's as simple as that. Whether or not you "buy" it is irrelevant. It happened, it changed the course of the conversation, and it's been made clear, in no uncertain terms, that I will fire back. If it means that one fewer pair can keep from trading ad hominem blows, hooray.
Would you rather I said:
Here's another opinion: I think <b>you're</b> pathetic, and with your pizza slinging job, you're going to have a hard time providing for that family of yours, almost guaranteeing that your daughter grows up as fucked up as you are.
Is that better?
(What I mean by "Is that better?" is "If I apologize for the remark about his daughter and change my original posted opinion to that, will you shut the fuck up?")
('Cause that's all I really want, so I can stop reading this thread and get back to my intense dislike for the other retards on the Cellar.)
Oh, and I should clarify that I actually like juju a whole lot when he's not being a fuckface. He <b>is</b> pretty mellow when he's not starving himself. I guess he just disappoints me when he lashes out like that, because like I said, he knows better. I try to whip him into shape.
To further clarify, it probably annoys me more when he does it because I want to like him, but when he's a dick to me, I've found that the quickest way to get him to stop being a dick is to smash him to pieces with verbal attacks. I want to have actual <b>discussions</b> with him, and his personal attacks get in the way. Whereas with LUVBUGZ and OnyxCougar, I know they have nothing valuable to add, so I don't hit them as hard.
It's a corrective action.
I don't the 'pathetic' comment was an escalation at all. It was simply meant as a characterization of his attitude in the immediately preceding post. I felt he was very rude, and I think it's rather pathetic that he feels he needs to communicate that way.
I'm not interested in 'escalating' or 'one-upping' him. My ego doesn't rely on that. But I do stand by my statement.
Originally posted by dave
It's a corrective action.
-OR-
advanced asshat rehab
Originally posted by juju
I don't the 'pathetic' comment was an escalation at all. It was simply meant as a characterization of his attitude in the immediately preceding post. I felt he was very rude, and I think it's rather pathetic that he feels he needs to communicate that way.
I'm not interested in 'escalating' or 'one-upping' him. My ego doesn't rely on that. But I do stand by my statement.
Well, whatever dude. If you need help putting her through college, let me know. I've always got miscellaneous chores that need to be done.
Originally posted by dave
Well, whatever dude. If you need help putting her through college, let me know. I've always got miscellaneous chores that need to be done.
Just a forewarning... If he asks you to polish his knob, it's not what you think! Don't ask, don't ask.
Originally posted by dave
.......... almost guaranteeing that your daughter grows up as fucked up as you are........
Looks like I got here a little late.
So.......how bout that PS2 Syc just bought. Isn't that cool!?
It totally rules...I have a numb left thumb that proves it.
That's the problem with the PS2 controller - the D-Pad kinda sucks. It does lend itself to numb left thumbs. The Xbox Controller S D-Pad is much better in that regard.
I still enjoy the two triggers on a PS2 controller better, however the extra depth on the Xbox Controller S triggers is better overall for driving games and ones where a lot or a little of something makes a big difference.
Need a little advice here ...
Sanity Clause (in the form of my mother and sister) has been instructed to provide me with a GBA. I do however have to poll the assembled multitudes here to learn something ... Do I want the original configuration, or the foldup? I'm leaning toward the folding one, just because it looks so fucking cool, but I have heard that the button positions are more difficult to deal with than the original config.
(I have a pretty good batch of GB and GBC games, and I'm hoping not to become a total damn gamehog right away for the GBA. I'm of course going to be requesting Super Mario World (one of my favorite SNES games) to start, but would be interested in hearing other's recommendations as well.)
I would recommend the GBA SP (folding one). We have two of those, as well as one of the original.
The biggest reason I would recommend it, honestly, is because the original GameBoy Advance has no lighted screen, meaning that you need a very good light source to play games. The GBA SP, on the other hand, has a side-lighted screen, so you can play it very comfortably in the dark (or in a dimly lit room, or in the car when slang is driving). I find the original GBA nearly impossible to play unless I'm sitting directly under a light. Rather inconvenient.
Also, the battery situation should be considered. The GBA SP has a built-in rechargeable battery and comes with a charger. Battery life is excellent on the built-in battery, and can be extended by turning off the light (a single button push). The original, by comparison, uses two AA batteries. It gets pretty good battery life, but it's one more thing that you have to worry about.
The buttons on both models are comfortable, but I find the GBA SP to be a bit better in this regard. I don't particularly care for the shoulder buttons on the original GBA; I feel that the unit has to be held somewhat awkward to comfortably rest my fingers on them. And awkward and comfortable don't go together. Whereas on the SP, my fingers naturally rest on the triggers, and all is right with the world.
The only knock against the SP I can think of is that it does not have a headphone port proper. You need to buy a fucking adaptor to use headphones. It's not even included. How fucking retarded is that?
Get the folding one. Its got a lighted screen, which puts it way out in front of the original, button issues notwithstanding. Besides, I can play GBA fine with these monstrous hands. It might be a little bit uncomfortable after a while, but really no worse than the original GBA.
Not having headphones means that it's easier to annoy whomever I'm playing near. Great for long train trips, for example (I'll have to make a point of taking Amtrack to RI next time, rather than driving).
This topic went completely off...cool.
It happens April, just hang on and enjoy the ride, we never know where we're going to end up :)
Originally posted by april
This topic went completely off...cool.
and its all because of threadHijackman........of course, he must know that any mention of a video game would spurn at least 7 related posts, and completely derail the direction of said thread. It's what he does. He's ThreadHijackman. get the Action Figure Instores now!
Originally posted by april
Oh and yeah I wanted a baby at 17. Yeah there'll be alot of smartass comments on that one I'm just waiting for them.
Okaaayyy, but why? Did you even take into consideration
ALL that is involved in taking on such a responsibility especially at such a young age:
The estimates show that a single parent family with an income less than $36,800 before taxes will spend $111,570 to raise a child born in 1999 to age 18. The western two-parent counterpart will spend $130,890. Although the actual expenditure is less for single-parent families, it represents a larger percentage of income.
Children--Costs of raising a child continue to rise
Sure you could get on all kinds of programs, and have a ton of help from family...but why go through all of that? :confused: Being 17, in school, and trying to graduate is pressure enough, and
NOW you have (and wanted!!) a kid on top of all of that?!?! I agree with the person who said that it's cheaper to just get the condoms.
*shaking my head*
Jesus, at 17 I remember just being glad I had left high school, starting college, working part time, and hanging out with friends. *shrugs*
:rolleyes:
Originally posted by april
All my friends that had babies those were supposed "acciendents". I wanted a baby only b/c I thought they were cute. I didn't consider the responsibility of one. Yeah I made a mistake but I'm taking care of her, she is mine and I will do what I need to do.
*sighing* How utterly irresponsible. You put the fate and well being of another human being in your hands just because babies are cute?? :eek:
I weep for the "future".
I was playing a game the other night, with a woman whose profile stated she was 31 years of age, a grandmother of 5 with the 6th on the way. When I asked (wishing )if they were stepchildren....well.....
She was pregnant at 14, and again at 15, married at 17 to someone 20 years her senior. The first baby now has 3 babies, and the second has 2 and a third on the way. aaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
And she was very proud. Said that, "God has a plan for each and every one of us....his plan for me was to have babies."
hmm. What could I say ...?
:confused:
A friend of mine is a senior in high school. She has a one year old, a five month old and is pregnant again.
Originally posted by april
A friend of mine is a senior in high school. She has a one year old, a five month old and is pregnant again.
Parasites.
A piece of advice 123tess STAY AWAY FROM FNF!
Originally posted by april
A piece of advice 123tess STAY AWAY FROM FNF!
Why? I have no problem with 123tess. We seems to feel the same way about people brining more kids into the world than they can support.
I maybe a bit more extreme in my opinion, but we're on the same side so to say.
You on the other hand...use the link and go read a book or something.
Originally posted by juju
Most of what I discuss here is my opinion. If I qualified all of it, it'd get old and redundant real quick. So, I am content to simply clarify my facts instead.
You should know by now that I am always open to the possibility being wrong.
well done, juju. you definitely come out the bigger man here. =) and she's gorgeous............ =)
Originally posted by 123tess
I was playing a game the other night, with a woman whose profile stated she was 31 years of age, a grandmother of 5 with the 6th on the way. When I asked (wishing )if they were stepchildren....well.....
She was pregnant at 14, and again at 15, married at 17 to someone 20 years her senior. The first baby now has 3 babies, and the second has 2 and a third on the way. aaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
And she was very proud. Said that, "God has a plan for each and every one of us....his plan for me was to have babies."
hmm. What could I say ...?
:confused:
things you could have said:
1 - feet in a bucket
2 - get a vibrator
3 - lobotomy
4 - tubes tied
5 - learn to read
6 - teach the family not to whore around
7 - go with plan B
4 - tubes tied
Yeah and like EVERYONE has the $$ for that!:rolleyes:
Originally posted by april
4 - tubes tied
Yeah and like EVERYONE has the $$ for that!:rolleyes:
Oh yeah...SOOO much more expensive than raising a kid.
Retard.
Originally posted by april
4 - tubes tied
Yeah and like EVERYONE has the $$ for that!:rolleyes:
a 15 year old who had been pregnant twice already could find help from various organizations with that, if she worked as hard at putting some thought in as she did putting out.
Ok are you FNF's brother?
She is a friend its not as easy has you think!
Originally posted by april
4 - tubes tied
Yeah and like EVERYONE has the $$ for that!:rolleyes:
Apparently it's free if you're on medical/welfare. At least in PA anyway...
Not in Texas its not.
For your info, the girl is getting an abortion.
$400
EXPENSivE!
Originally posted by april
Ok are you FNF's brother?
She is a friend its not as easy has you think!
Yes April, anyone who agrees with me is my relative or my clone or my fake account or whatnot..
God forbid somebody other than I believe that you're a hopeless idiot.
You and your friends are all prime candidates for Grouphug.us
Originally posted by 123tess
Said that, "God has a plan for each and every one of us....his plan for me was to have babies."
hmm. What could I say ...?
:confused:
"That's great -- his plan for ME was to eat babies. We're a natural match!"
That's about as rational as you can get with someone who actually uses the God Wants Me To rationale for her actions.
Originally posted by april
Not in Texas its not.
For your info, the girl is getting an abortion.
$400
EXPENSivE!
Still cheaper than birth and much cheaper than the first 2 years of the childs life with the vaccines and frequent checkups.
Originally posted by vsp
"That's great -- his plan for ME was to eat babies. We're a natural match!"
That's about as rational as you can get with someone who actually uses the God Wants Me To rationale for her actions.
GET IN MY BELLY!
Baby: The other white meat.
Originally posted by vsp
"That's great -- his plan for ME was to eat babies. We're a natural match!"
That's about as rational as you can get with someone who actually uses the God Wants Me To rationale for her actions.
Give birth at home and eat the baby. Thats way cheaper than abortion or rasing the child, plus a great way to feed the kids you already have.
Originally posted by FileNotFound
Yes April, anyone who agrees with me is my relative or my clone or my fake account or whatnot..
God forbid somebody other than I believe that you're a hopeless idiot.
You and your friends are all prime candidates for Grouphug.us
bro!
Originally posted by april
Ok are you FNF's brother?
She is a friend its not as easy has you think!
having been a 15 year old girl......... it is that easy.
it's all about personal responsibility.
all of us go through it.
once we have established personal responsibility, then we take the consequences for our actions, we get help, figure out what the problem is..............
or join the cellar and whine ad nauseum.
Originally posted by darclauz
bro!
Gha!
Impossible....Spanish stuff freaks me out and you got "Suspendí el español tres veces." written next to your name...as far as I know that might say "I want to cook and eat your eyeballs in your brain cavity!"
Suspendí el español tres veces.
What does that mean?
Originally posted by FileNotFound
Gha!
Impossible....Spanish stuff freaks me out and you got "Suspendí el español tres veces." written next to your name...as far as I know that might say "I want to cook and eat your eyeballs in your brain cavity!"
freetranslation.com
I suspended the Spaniard three times.
Still says nothing to me! It might as well mean "I want to eat your eyeball brain soup out of your skull!"
isn't tube tying relatively permanent? what about when the girl gets her shit together and is actually ready to rear a child? I am refraining from judging april's ability to perform said rearing, in this case, but wouldn't an ounce of prevention (as opposed to the pound of prevention that sterilization represents) be more appropriate?
as far as baby eating goes, i'm against it. they give me gas, ......and a modicum of guilt. why not donate them to science? or a reality show?
food for thought
[SIZE=1]pun intended[/SIZE]
It's not permanent; (it CAN be) but generaly it is not.
Strings are tied over the tubes. Thats it. The strings can just as easily be untied.
I am not a doctor and I have not done research on this recently but thats what I know.
Originally posted by lumberjim
[B]isn't tube tying relatively permanent? what about when the girl gets her shit together and is actually ready to rear a child? I am refraining from judging april's ability to perform said rearing, in this case, but wouldn't an ounce of prevention (as opposed to the pound of prevention that sterilization represents) be more appropriate?
That depends. Since the subject of the "tubes tied" comment was a 31-year-old granny-of-five, I think it's pretty safe to suggest that she has neither the desire, self-control, nor self-awareness to practice less dramatic birth-control methods. If she believes that God's role for her is to churn out kids like a vending machine (insert roll of dimes, hit M-9, wait nine months, wait for it to go *thud* into the retrieval tray), trying to impress the realities of child-rearing upon her is probably fruitless.
Of course, nobody's saying that she should have it done _to her_; for obvious reasons, it has to be a voluntary choice. But it's a damn fine suggestion, as is giving copies of
Tube-Tying For Dummies as Christmas gifts to her teenage kids, or at least a couple of cases of condoms for each (which'll also help keep them from contracting something nasty).
as far as baby eating goes, i'm against it. they give me gas,
I told you just stick with the tender muscle meat and you had to dive into the intestines.
Originally posted by Undertoad
I told you just stick with the tender muscle meat and you had to dive into the intestines.
you know me, all or nutin, baby!
Originally posted by lumberjim
isn't tube tying relatively permanent?
I think it depends on the sterilization method done. If the tubes are tied, then it can be reversed as opposed to burning, freezing, implants in the tubes, etc.
what about when the girl gets her shit together and is actually ready to rear a child? I am refraining from judging april's ability to perform said rearing, in this case, but wouldn't an ounce of prevention (as opposed to the pound of prevention that sterilization represents) be more appropriate?
You'd be surprised how many women under 25 would love to get sterlized. They are more focused on career than childrearing, and that's why many wait later in life to have kids, or opt to have none at all. The thing is that many doctors will not perform the procedure because THEY think that the girl is too young, she'll change her mind later, etc.
I'm on a newsgroup of childfree folk, and many of them are young girls asking how to find doctors that WILL perform the procedure, no questions asked.
Originally posted by FileNotFound
Yes April, anyone who agrees with me is my relative or my clone or my fake account or whatnot..
God forbid somebody other than I believe that you're a hopeless idiot.
You and your friends are all prime candidates for Grouphug.us
I peeked at that site..Da hell?!!? LOL, wow is all I can say! :D
Originally posted by darclauz
a 15 year old who had been pregnant twice already could find help from various organizations with that, if she worked as hard at putting some thought in as she did putting out.
[COLOR=indigo]Find a decent doctor, medicare or otherwise, who will sterilize a 15 year old girl and I'll be really surprised. I had 2 kids, 2 additional pregnancies and was 26 years old and the doctor (the one I was paying, and NOT on an HMO), refused. So did 3 other doctors.
So it's not so easy to get tubes tied. Not that I don't think it's a great idea... having one baby so young is a mistake (or plain stupidity) and having more babies after that so young is straight up stupidity.
[size=1]note: before everyone freaks out about my use of the word "mistake", I don't mean to imply that the child has less worth, but that the parents in question made a mistake, be that in "I thought babies were cute, and I wanted one as a teenager" or "I chose to have unprotected sex."[/size][/COLOR]
Originally posted by OnyxCougar
[COLOR=indigo] I had 2 kids, 2 additional pregnancies and was 26 years old and the doctor (the one I was paying, and NOT on an HMO), refused. So did 3 other doctors.
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So did you have it done eventually??? I have to admit I'm shocked. I can sort of see the reluctance to perform irreversible sterilization on a teenager. But a grown woman? Refusing to tie her tubes if she doesn't have kids because she might decide she wants some later is meddling, IMO. Refusing a woman who already has 2 kids and doesn't want any more is just plain damn idiotic.
IMO.
So April, what is to become of your bf and your baby?
She'll find another retard that will fuck her unprotected and pump out a few more "cuties" - maybe she'll get really lucky and her dad won't take care of the damn thing for her and she'll be forced to realize what being a real parent is like.
April - did mommy get sick of supporting your little "family" and you out? Maybe you should learn a lesson from it.
From what I've seen ...
Teenage moms either GET the idea that you should have finished being a teenager FIRST before becoming a mom and step up to the responsibility plate, or continue to be as dumb as a box of rocks and continue to have unprotected sex in the hopes that one of the by blows will actually LOVE her in the special way she truly desires rather than being an unending source of frustration, puke, and poop.
Originally posted by insoluble
She'll find another retard that will fuck her unprotected and pump out a few more "cuties" - maybe she'll get really lucky and her dad won't take care of the damn thing for her and she'll be forced to realize what being a real parent is like.
April - did mommy get sick of supporting your little "family" and you out? Maybe you should learn a lesson from it.
....hmmm. insoluble, am i detecting a shade of animosity? where's the love? scratch that: where's the apathy? April doesn't deserve nastiness like that. And it makes
you look bad. shake it off. stupid is as stupid does. you don't have to personally attack and taunt her. she does a fine job of conveying her faults all by her self. She made a very serious mistake because she didn't know any better. either because she was never educated and made to truly see the consequences of unprotected sex, or because she is too dumb to live. Still, she kind of has to justify this situation to herself in order to protect her own self image. So, she bases her beliefs upon her situation.
and April, it seems like you only open your mouth to switch feet. you might want to keep the details of your personal life such as which school you'll be attending to yourself. did you not see that whole HaywardNelson v. Sycamore privacy debate? Cmon, honey, that thing at the top of your neck is for more than eating and talking.
Ljim
you're very right LJ - I just get angry when I see her posts - to me she represents all the retatrded teen mother "i want a cute baby" bullshit mentality. The last thing anyone needs is another stupid kid in the world, most likely to end up on welfare and pumping out more stupids. This is the first contact I have ever had with such an individual, so I guess I just have a lot of stored up anger at the mindset to offload.
If this is the first contact you've had with such a person then wouldn't it be more informative to leave her to say whatever she wants so that you could get a peek at her thought processes? I mean clearly she's not going to lead you down the path to enlightenment or anything, but she does an amazing job of laying out flawed thought processes for us to pick at with gloved hands. I'm always facinated by what people will do and say to get the attention she obviously craves.
Of course on that note you and FNF are effectively keeping her here. By giving attention, even negative attention, you are giving her what she is here for. So, she'll never leave. Want her to go? Quit talking to her. Just something to consider.
yeah....you're pretty fuckin smart, whit.
so DO we want her to leave? I don't.
lumberjim
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11-17-03
quote:Originally posted by r9703410
Explain that to where I can understand it.
El, that could be a VERY tall order.
from her brief but glorious history, i would make no assumptions pertaining to resident understanding of multi step tasks.
r2d2, please never leave the cellar. you represent a very important ingredient: you seem to have a natural knack for setting yourself up to be blasted......and, frankly, we need that. If for no other reason than warm ups for the residents with fully functioning cerebrums.
you're a fluffer, yes?
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Originally posted by sycamore
So April, what is to become of your bf and your baby?
Bf, ass.
Baby cuter than ever.
One day I'll put her pic on her.
One day, not soon.
Jim, I was responding to those who are actively trying to get rid of her. I'm certainly not, if someone wants to post, I say let them. It's not like she's trolling, more like she's a troll magnet. Pointing out the flaw in the strategy if you will.
I've never dealt with April personally, I never saw a reason to. Yes I know I'm posting directly after her, nothing in her post that I wish to address. So, I don't. This said I'll not be insulting her either. It's equally pointless. 'Sides, it's my personal belief that attacking people that annoy you instead of showing a little tolerance leaves you more bitter for the experience. Just what I've seen.
I just received a PM from April thanking me for being nice. I'm okay with this but prefer to minimize dialogue via PM. Personal preference. So, here is my response for the whole peanut gallery.
April, I think a lot of the problems you are having is largely due to the self-involved nature of your posts. I said I've never felt an urge to respond to you because I never see you post about anything but yourself. This means, of course, when someone takes issue with what you say they are taking issue with you. This is why I said you are a troll magnet. You are clearly an emotional person, which comes across in your posts. While this is not a bad thing, you tend to use it badly. Instead of showing passion for a solid point, you show passion irrationally or completely without a point. This not only makes it easy to make fun of you, some people will do so reflexively. So yeah, you are just painting a target on your forehead
Getting back to the point of always talking about yourself, what other interests do you have? Do you have any questions about any political or philosophical situations? I'd have fallen in love with the Cellar at your age because of the sheer number of well read thought provoking people ready to share the info they've accumulated. Hell, that's a large part of why I love it now. I've asked a number of questions on a number of issues, simply because the people here knew more than me about them, and I recognize that.
If you truly want to be a worthy addition to the Cellar you need to moderate the sharing of your own story. Mix in what you heard on the news. Ask for more info when others know more. As long as you continue to be your own primary subject of discussion you will continue to draw fire from large numbers of people.
yeah, that's why i said youre fuckin smart....i wasn't being sarcastic....you are right on about this......i like to throw a few grenades, myself, but it's more for my own amusement than any actual animosity toward april.
Heh, I've been known to make a few posts just to stir up arguements myself. I'm a big believer in making fun of anything and everything, within limits. I've just never been amused by kicking someone when they're down. 'Cept maybe Radar...
By the by, thanks for the compliment. Me am much big smart.:biggrin:
Originally posted by Whit
'Sides, it's my personal belief that attacking people that annoy you instead of showing a little tolerance leaves you more bitter for the experience. Just what I've seen.
But, but...you say that like it's a
bad thing. :D
I'm joking..but only somewhat.
As usual, you make a good point. I think anyway. If you are speaking of disillusionment then I'm with you. Think I'll start a thread on the subject in Philosophy. Plus there is the short term amusment. Of course the ability to think long term is one of the things that seperates adults from kids.
Originally posted by wolf
From what I've seen ...
Teenage moms either GET the idea that you should have finished being a teenager FIRST before becoming a mom and step up to the responsibility plate, or continue to be as dumb as a box of rocks and continue to have unprotected sex in the hopes that one of the by blows will actually LOVE her in the special way she truly desires rather than being an unending source of frustration, puke, and poop.
Oh my!! *does the "I'm not worthy" jesture* :D
Nail...hit...head.
Originally posted by SteveDallas
So did you have it done eventually??? I have to admit I'm shocked. I can sort of see the reluctance to perform irreversible sterilization on a teenager. But a grown woman? Refusing to tie her tubes if she doesn't have kids because she might decide she wants some later is meddling, IMO. Refusing a woman who already has 2 kids and doesn't want any more is just plain damn idiotic.
IMO.
[COLOR=indigo]A year after they wouldn't let my tie my tubes I pregnant with Piglet. The first OB appointment, the doctor said,
"Hello, I'm Major Marshall, your primary doctor."
I said,
"Hello, after I deliver, my tubes will be tied. I don't care if you burn them, tie them in a bow, cut them, or chew them out. I want to be sterile. OK?"
He blinked at me a second and asked me how many children I had. I said, "Look. I'm 27 and I have 2 children and 4 pregnancies behind me. I want this one to be the last one. Are you listening to me?"
He nodded.
"Good. Now do you want this cup of pee or do I give it to the nurse?"
I had Piglet and the following day, my tubes were tied.
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Originally posted by april
Bf, ass.
Baby cuter than ever.
Okay...maybe you didn't quite understand what I was asking, so I'll try again.
If I recall correctly, you said you currently lived with your mom, your baby and your boyfriend. Are you taking your child with you when you move? And, is your boyfriend going to have to find someplace else to live after you leave Texas?
My baby is staying with my mom.
My bf will go back to El Salvador or stay at my house. NO
how the hell do you leave your baby with your mom? wtf? i think that's really really lame of you to do that to her.
Something happened, I won't share that on this forum.
Originally posted by april
Something happened, I won't share that on this forum.
Oh oh...not going for another cutie are you?
No thats not it.
Its just that we have alot of fights at me house, and another thing, can't say won't say.
What your BF is fucking about making other cuties all by himself and you feel left out?
Hes just using me to have a place to live.
[COLOR=indigo]OK, forgive me if I've missed something in the gazillion pages of this thread, but I would like a little clarification:
You have a baby. What is her name (just to make it easy. if you want to give us a fake name that's fine, just stickwith it.)? Is the El Savadoran still your bf, and is he your daughter's father? And now that your daughter is with your mother, do you still have unprotected sex? Is the El Salvadoran a legal immigrant? Also, there is mention of you moving to Texas. Who all is moving and are you going to take your daughter back from your mother once you get there? When is the move planned? Is the bf going too? Why haven't you kicked him out if he's not your boyfriend?
I realize this is all none of my business, but since you've posted about your personal items, I'd just like clarification in one post, so I don't have to wade through 938501325098 pages of argument in 4 threads.
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Originally posted by april
Hes just using me to have a place to live.
So why are you giving him a place to live if he won't even buy you condoms?
OK!!!!!!
This is how its goes.
My b/f is From El Salvador and he is legal. Little " April" ( thats what I'll say as her name) is staying IN TEXAS with my mom. I'm moving to COLORADO! My b/f won't buy condoms b/c HE says they are to much $$ which is bs so I stopped having sex with him.
I'm leaving to go to Colorado in January, I will come back once the school year is up.
ANYTHING ELSE????
uh, yeah.....could you please stop talking about yourself soon?
Ok, well I was just answering a question.
How are your friends, family and everyone doing?
No its not being sarcastic. Really.
Originally posted by april
ANYTHING ELSE????
Not sure. Will you continue to answer absolutely every personal question thrown your way? You really need to learn to keep your private life private.
I've refrained form asking this, because I don't want to come off as an asshole, but here goes.
Why exactly do you keep coming here when every time you post you're berated, insulted or ignored?
And your bf is doing what?
Why is he still your bf?
Can you force him to pay child support? (I have NO idea how that works)
Why exactly do you keep coming here when every time you post you're berated, insulted or ignored?
Sometimes, a person needs attention so badly, that he/she actually encourages negative attention, since it is apparent that positive attention will not be given. You know people like that, perth. :)
But I am also curious to see how April responds.
I REALLY don't care what people think about me. If you want to insult me go ahead. I've learned to not get hurt when someone on the internet bashes you.
perth, it's because even negative attention is still attention....
she's a vacuum
Originally posted by april
I've learned to not get hurt when someone on the internet bashes you.
practice, practice
Originally posted by april
I REALLY don't care what people think about me. If you want to insult me go ahead. I've learned to not get hurt when someone on the internet bashes you.
You didn't answer the question.
But that really doesn't answer the question...why do you post? What could you possibly get out of it?
Originally posted by perth
Not sure. Will you continue to answer absolutely every personal question thrown your way? You really need to learn to keep your private life private.
I've refrained form asking this, because I don't want to come off as an asshole, but here goes.
Why exactly do you keep coming here when every time you post you're berated, insulted or ignored?
No, I won't and b/c I have nothing else to do this is fun.
You could read Grouphugs all day...
Oh and I do want my questions answered....
Or for you to just go away...
Isn't school something else to do? I have to wonder what kind of class allows students to sit in front of a computer all day and play around.
I never enjoyed chemistry or algebra, but I would think that kind of dry material would be better than posting random comments on a message board and receiving a barrage of insults in return.
the main heater for our showroom and sales offices had a gas leak, and they turned it off. Parts are on back order, so we're looking at monday or tues before they fix the friggin thing......so I'm sitting here at my desk shivering and wearing my coat. i can almost see my breath.
fuck!
I think asking why april puts up with the abuse is a fair question. What does that say about april?
And not to be a killjoy or anything but why so many in this forum continue to take delight in focusing such unbridled hostility on this child is also a relevant question (to me if no one else, anyway).
That almost reminds me of getting in my car this morning.
I hate cold cars.
I hate that I don't really have the $500 to invest in a remote starter.
Oh well thank god for synthetic oil...I'd kill myself if I had to warm that car up.
Originally posted by Beestie
I think asking why april puts up with the abuse is a fair question. What does that say about april?
And not to be a killjoy or anything but why so many in this forum continue to take delight in focusing such unbridled hostility on this child is also a relevant question (to me if no one else, anyway).
Quit calling her a damn child...geez.
She's got a freaking child herself. She's mature enough to have kids, then she's mature enough to be considered an adult.
dude, i can get you a remote starter for $299. really ....i got it for jinx last xmas( well, the kids did) and it's worth it.....right jinx?
Originally posted by case
Isn't school something else to do? I have to wonder what kind of class allows students to sit in front of a computer all day and play around.
I never enjoyed chemistry or algebra, but I would think that kind of dry material would be better than posting random comments on a message board and receiving a barrage of insults in return.
Its called "STUDY HALL"
I don't have homework so I go on the computer.
Quit calling her a damn child...geez.
I'm not feeling sorry for her - she can either stick up for herself or leave - she's not captive.
I'm asking what pleasure some are deriving from abusing her? There's an implicit question right behind that one, too.
Originally posted by april
Its called "STUDY HALL"
I don't have homework so I go on the computer.
Tried reading a book longer than 42 pages?
On and Beestie...
You see April represents everything I hate about the idiotic teen mothers of today. Thats why I am an ass to her. Oh sure she's not the worst kind there is, but still pretty damn bad...I don't like having her around.
I want her to leave.
You may say "Well to do that you just have to ignore her.".
Yet if I ignore her it'll just be people who feel sorry for her stupidy and post "Oh April I know you're doing the right thing. Just do what you feel is right and everything will be ok! You're doing great!"
That will certainly not make her leave.
If I can turn everyone agaisnt her then she will no longer feel welcome and the negative attention isn't as pleasent or bearable as some may think.
On the other hand I am somewhat curious to see how her messed up mind works.
Originally posted by lumberjim
dude, i can get you a remote starter for $299. really ....i got it for jinx last xmas( well, the kids did) and it's worth it.....right jinx?
$300 is still a lot. $500 is the viper one with the security system and all the other neat toys...
Originally posted by lumberjim
dude, i can get you a remote starter for $299. really ....i got it for jinx last xmas( well, the kids did) and it's worth it.....right jinx?
Yes. Quite.
Originally posted by FileNotFound
Can you force him to pay child support? (I have NO idea how that works)
In this case it sounds like it would work about as well as getting blood from a stone.
And not to be a killjoy or anything but why so many in this forum continue to take delight in focusing such unbridled hostility on this child is also a relevant question (to me if no one else, anyway).
Yes, it is a relevant question (child or not).
I wanted to know why she endures the abuse (willingly) because I actually find the fact that she does sort of disturbing.
As FnF asked, why would she not read a good book (or a bad one for that matter) instead of this? Why would she not take an interest in bettering her situation in some way? To me, this represents an attitude all too prevalent with younger people, which quite frankly, causes me to wonder "what's in the damned water, these days?"
So I would say, my interest in the situation isn't that of berating or abusing april. I feel the need to gain an understanding of why she does what she does, partially out of morbid curiosity and partially because it might answer some of my questions about where our teenagers are coming from. Am I really that out of touch, already?
It's obviously because this doesn't require thought and it's 'work'
Idiots tend to think of 'reading' anything as 'tedious' and 'work'.
Remember she wants to be a gfx designer and make the big bucks?
Yeah I can see that happeneing. She's using all her free time to study and learn gfx applications. Remember how she said that she didn't like Adobe Photoshop and prefered Ms Photo or something like that? Now that was funny...
Originally posted by FileNotFound
If I can turn everyone agaisnt her then she will no longer feel welcome and the negative attention isn't as pleasent or bearable as some may think.
Last time I checked, "everyone" is quite capable of making up his or her own mind about April, you, or anyone else.
When posters are ass-achingly annoying, other posters tend to respond accordingly. Whether you, April, both or neither fall into that category is left as an exercise for the reader.
Originally posted by vsp
Last time I checked, "everyone" is quite capable of making up his or her own mind about April, you, or anyone else.
When posters are ass-achingly annoying, other posters tend to respond accordingly. Whether you, April, both or neither fall into that category is left as an exercise for the reader.
Oh sure. You can say that about anything. Like political candidates for example.
But yet they all invest in campaigns. Why?
In order to dig up the dirt on somebody and use that dirt to shape the opinions of others. Duh.
Nothing wrong with that. You're free to make your own opinion and I'm free to attempt to slant them in any way I wish by any means I wish.
I guess I might as well get to the point.
My opinion is that what we have here is a good, ole fashioned, online abusive relationship.
Umm...no
Abusive relationships are characterized by extreme jealousy, emotional withholding, lack of intimacy, raging, sexual coercion, infidelity, verbal abuse, threats, lies, broken promises, physical violence, power plays and control games.
But overall it involves 2 ppl who have a RELATIONSHIP.
There is no relationship.
What you have is me generously handing out emotional abuse and April comming back for more.
Apologies for not keeping up with the conversation, things got busy here in real life.
April said: b/c I have nothing else to do this is fun.
Fun. I can't imagine that being a well though-out or truthful answer. Which means one of three things:
1. You meant it, and you're as stupid as FnF thinks.
or...
2. You meant it, and you're a troll.
or...
3. You didn't mean it, and you're still evading the question.
Pick one ("None of the above" is implied, but requires an essay-style answer).
She's just here because she's got nowhere else to go due to the firewalls. This board is her only possible source of entertainment at school.
Posted by me on 11/17/03
It's that simple.
She's just here because she's got nowhere else to go due to the firewalls. This board is her only possible source of entertainment at school.
I can help with that: she can tunnel to another site either through
Here or through
Here .
Sorry those are blocked by my school.
What about
http://grouphug.us
I mean you'd SOOO fit in...
2 choices:
1. Google anonymous web surfing and find one that isn't blocked.
2. Find a hacker in your school and ask.
Have you considered the possibilty that sites are blocked by your school because they'd rather you do something constructive?
Not saying that things here aren't always constructive, but I can think of MANY things that a young, unemployed, teen mother should be doing instead of puttering around on a discussion forum.
You said you don't have a job. I'd be looking for one - libraries have newspapers - read one.
You said you have a daughter. Do you know everything there is to know about being a good parent? (Trick question, no one ever will), but I'd be reading up on it if I had to.
You said you want to get ahead in life - to be a Graphic Designer. Log off of the cellar, and pick up a book, or open a graphics program and get to work. The world won't hand you a pay check just because your daughter is cute.
Contrary to what you may believe, life is not handed to you. You must work for it. This is not some reality show where you will be rescued from an island of single motherhood and put smack dab in the middle of the 'good life'. Sorry, time to wake up and smell the enfamil.
Children often copy what they see when they grow up. Do you want LittleApril to be an unwed teen mother with no desire to be anything in life?
And you said it's hard to find a job. It's the holidays - there are retail jobs everywhere, and burgers always need flipped. It's easier to find a good job when you already HAVE a job, so get off your ass and stop making excuses. You have a daughter to support, even if you're pushing her off on your mom to move to Colorado. She's not your mother's responsibility - because I'll bet your first pay check against my next pay check that she wasn't in the back seat of that car when the child was conceived.
Dagney
It's the holidays - there are retail jobs everywhere, and burgers always need flipped.
That's a fact. A friend of mine pretty much got a Sales Ass job at Macy's in the span of 20 minutes.
Walk in. Fill out an app. Say hello to manager. Bam hired.
Originally posted by FileNotFound
Oh sure. You can say that about anything. Like political candidates for example.
But yet they all invest in campaigns. Why?
In order to dig up the dirt on somebody and use that dirt to shape the opinions of others. Duh.
Nothing wrong with that. You're free to make your own opinion and I'm free to attempt to slant them in any way I wish by any means I wish.
Let me phrase it another way, then.
This board isn't an election or a popularity contest. I haven't seen anyone named Prom King or Queen over the nine years I've been posting to it, and I don't expect it to happen any time soon.
I may feel that April is an interesting newcomer with entertaining stories to tell about her life to date. Or I may feel that April is a mewling twat who should be flung into a dumpster. Or I may not have strong opinions about April, one way or the other. Which is it? Ah, but that would be telling, and it's not all that relevant.
What I will say is that mounting a one-man propaganda campaign is very likely to annoy the living bugshit out of a lot of people <i>whether or not they agreed with you in the first place</i>. If I needed someone to tell me how I should be thinking and who's unclean and should be shunned, Amish country's about a half-an-hour down the road from me.
Ease up. Relax. Have some dip. "Let's you and her fight" games are high school bullshit and get boring very quickly.
Originally posted by vsp
This board isn't an election or a popularity contest. I haven't seen anyone named Prom King or Queen over the nine years I've been posting to it, and I don't expect it to happen any time soon.
Prom King/Queen's first post in 5... 4... 3... 2...
Originally posted by juju
Sure they are.
Do you mean to suggest that censorware doesn't add anonymyzers to their block lists as fast as they can find them?
Prom King/Queen's first post in 5... 4... 3... 2...
Does this mean Happy Monkey won the election? :D
I don't see why not.
-- Prom Grand Vizier
Originally posted by case
causes me to wonder "what's in the damned water, these days?"
Fluoride usually. It's interesting how similar the words "fluoride" and "Fluoxetine" are isn't it?
Fluoxetine = PROZAC
you learn something every day
Originally posted by vsp
This board isn't an election or a popularity contest.
well, that takes most of the fun out of it for me, then......and I thought I was winning. shit!
Originally posted by vsp
April is a mewling twat who should be flung into a dumpster.
you,sir, have a way with words.
Fluoride usually.
The price we pay for happy teeth...
Originally posted by lumberjim
you,sir, have a way with words.
And for just $99.95, he could have his way with you!
Originally posted by juju
And for just $99.95, he could have his way with you!
I think you've been staying up too late at night with that baby. go take a nap.
But who is paying who? Whom? Hmm.
I guess it imitates "he is paying him", so "whom".
Maybe.
Where's William Strunk when you need him?
[COLOR=indigo]OK April, the burning questions I have for you are:
(1)If you're not "with" Mr. ElSalvador anymore, certainly not having sex, and he's not helping take care of LittleApril, why does he still live with you? Kick his ass out. You have NO idea how many different ways you can have him deported. You see, to be an immigrant in the US, you need to be "sponsored" in. That means a US resident has to sign a form to the government saying this person will be provided for during the whole visit. If the immigrant then becomes a "legal alien", and starts fucking up, you take your happy ass down to immigration and report him. We don't need another deadbeat dad in the US, thanks. They investigate and then deport him. Very simple. You want him gone, he's gone. And you need to boot him out. If he has no place to go, that's his problem, not yours. He's not paying child support anyway, so what has he done for you lately? That's right, nothing. Get rid of him. Now.
(2) Why does your mother have care, custody and control of "LittleApril"? I thought you were in this great school program that helps you take care of her? What happened?
(3) Since you DON'T have your daughter, why aren't you out working? Why are you not working on graphics design, getting a portfolio together. You're 17. Next year you're on your own. (Or should be.) What are you gonig to do then?
(4) Why are you leaving your baby with someone else while you go out of state?
(5) Are you a child or are you an adult? Seems to me you're trying to come off as an adult with all this "fuck you" talk, and having children, and having unprotected sex. But you're obviously a child, since you've foisted your daughter off on to someone else and can't seem to have the class to dump a boyfriend you don't like, and aren't doing a damn thing to improve your self for your sake or for the sake of your daughter.
(6) So what *I* am getting from you up to this point is that you don't give a shit about yourself and your body, you don't give a shit about your baby, and you don't give a shit about your mother. Does that about sum up the situation?
And please answer all the questions this time, because you didn't answer them all from the first post. But that's ok. I'm used to you not reading everything.
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April's
gone, Onyx. What's that about not reading everything?
I'm kidding you! Don't hit me! :)
[COLOR=indigo]Well gosh, Perth, I don't read every single thread before I post anything. I meant in this thread. Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.
Besides. She's not really gone, she just changed names. Again.
And I know you're kidding.
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Originally posted by case
The price we pay for happy teeth...
These teeth don't look very happy...
How much fluoride are we consuming everyday in our
food and
drinks?
How about
heavy metals? Yum.
Originally posted by lumberjim
you,sir, have a way with words.
Even more so when they're taken out of context. ;)
Originally posted by jinx
These teeth don't look very happy...
How much fluoride are we consuming everyday in our food and drinks?
How about heavy metals? Yum.
And we all know who put that fluoride there to infiltrate our bodies' precious natural fluids, don't we?
pour me a glass of rain water and grain alcohol - it's all I ever drink
Originally posted by Dagney
Have you considered the possibilty snipsnip She's not your mother's responsibility - because I'll bet your first pay check against my next pay check that she wasn't in the back seat of that car when the child was conceived.
Dagney
Don't be silly, Dagney. Give up being the center of attention? Beat me, whip me, lecture me, but dear god don't ignore me. Know what I mean?
Originally posted by vsp
Even more so when they're taken out of context. ;)
yeah, it needed a little help to express what
I was thinking....hope you don't mind.
April, you are young, naive, and irresponsible (okay, so I'm not saying anything we didn't already know here)
You brought this child into the world. Unless Children and Youth Services or Department of Human Services or whatever your community calls the Child Protective system has removed her from your custody, she is YOUR responsibility, not your mother's.
Your April Jr. is also the responsibility of the contributor of sperm, and he is shirking that responsibility if he is leaving the US and refusing to pay child support.
You all going to be the guests on Springer next week?