Sniper Trial Prediction: Both men found Not Guilty
Hahahahahahaha. Just kidding.
I project executions in 2007 and 2009 for Muhammed and Malvo, respectively. I think Malvo will be able to push it back a bit more in appeals due to his age and arguments that he was "brainwashed".
Anyone else want to post predictions? We'll revisit the thread when it's pertinent and the winner gets a hot dog (or, if you're vegetarian/vegan, a meal at Sunflower restaurant in Vienna, VA).
Originally posted by dave
Anyone else want to post predictions? We'll revisit the thread when it's pertinent and the winner gets a hot dog (or, if you're vegetarian/vegan, a meal at Sunflower restaurant in Vienna, VA).
I can get vegetarian hot dogs (veggie pork) from the chinese store.
Fry them. You don't accidentally snipe that many people. The devil made me do it don't work. There's no way you're gonna convince anyone you didn't know it was wrong. Send them up Texas-style.
Originally posted by breakingnews
I can get vegetarian hot dogs (veggie pork) from the chinese store.
Eww. Why would you want to??
(I don't mind meat-free food. Except when it tries to pretend it's meat.)
Unfortunately, I don't think the kid will fry.:(
Are you trying to imply that hot dogs actually contain meat?
[COLOR=indigo]Adult gets the death penalty, kid gets life. Parole after double digit years.[/COLOR]
Both are bacon.
You in Virginia now, boy.
This is why Doug Gansler (the MD prosecutor) lost his bid to host the trial in the people's republic of Maryland.
Oh, and take comfort. Should the pair avoid the death penalty, there is an express train to 'Bama where the evidence includes an eyewitness .... and an Alabama jury.
Both are bacon.
I agree with Beestie. They have enough murder charges in Virginia that they'll eventually get 'em. They will both be executed.
Unless the defense attorneys make an attempt to have all of the cases tried together on the logic that fewer trials may result in fewer guilty verdicts (unlikely, IMHO), they are not just bacon, they are extra crispy bacon.
The one problem with multiple trials, is that the cases will be dragging on for years, and the appeals process will be equally complex, and both men will die of old age before their date with Old Sparky (or Mr. Lethal Injection, as the state's preference may be).
One thing I'm fairly sure we won't see is an attempt to go for Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity or Guilty but Mentally Ill. Either type of defense is a lot rarer than you might think despite the furor that erupts when it's tried.
These serial killers are so sickening, I hope they fry both of their white, middle aged, technical professional, recently displaced by some minority, asses!
Oh shit! That's right, they didnt fit the profile and Moose refused to consider them even though they were brought to the attention of law enforcement THREE FUCKING TIMES !!
Three!(One...Two....THREE)
(slang puts paper bag over his mouth and continues breathing)
Remember though...it only takes one juror to throw the death penalty vote.
Sorry folks, I don't believe in the death penalty. But if they are found guilty, they deserve to rot in jail.
Originally posted by wolf
One thing I'm fairly sure we won't see is an attempt to go for Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity
Ummm...but this is what Malvo is pleading now.
I believe the death penalty system as currently implemented in the United States is flawed, and I would therefore say that I am anti-death penalty. That having been said, I am a human being, and I can be swayed. And sitting in traffic for THREE FUCKING HOURS WHILE THE BELTWAY IS LOCKED DOWN BECAUSE SOMEONE GOT SHOT BY THESE TWO DUMB FUCKFACES will definitely sway me. I will not shed a tear when they at least have a chance to say goodbye to loved ones, unlike those whose lives they took.
Originally posted by sycamore
Remember though...it only takes one juror to throw the death penalty vote.
Sorry folks, I don't believe in the death penalty. But if they are found guilty, they deserve to rot in jail.
[COLOR=indigo]I am wholeheartedly for the death penalty.
Every time I get into a discussion about the death penalty, I'm always asked whether or not I would pull the switch.
I reply "Yes. Twice."
If Travis had gotten the death penalty, I would have been the first in line saying, "oo! oo! Can I do it?" [/COLOR]
Originally posted by sycamore
Ummm...but this is what Malvo is pleading now.
No he's not. He's pleading "not guilty", although the attorneys will try to show that he's not guilty by reason of insanity. Virginia law doesn't allow any of that pleading "not guilty by reason of insanity" shit.
Ah...some of the media outlets should get it straight then. I've heard at least two instances of it being called a plea of "not guilty by reason of insanity."
MSNBC seems to have it right on a current story, by calling it an "insanity defense".
Dude, the Economist is all that matters. (!!!)
Muhammad fries. Malvo gets life -- the "brainwashing" theory will be enough of a mitigating circumstance to keep him off death row but not enough to avoid conviction.
Originally posted by sycamore
Ah...some of the media outlets should get it straight then. I've heard at least two instances of it being called a plea of "not guilty by reason of insanity."
MSNBC seems to have it right on a current story, by calling it an "insanity defense".
The media not reporting a story accurately?? Heaven forfend!!
I've been living under a work-induced rock the last two weeks -- we're expecting the JCAHO reviewers next week so everythings kinda crazy. I haven't seen any coverage on the sniper trial ... if I get the time I'll have to take a peek at VA law regarding criminal responsibility, etc. Heck, if this all gets REALLY good I might even rejoin the law and psychiatry mailing lists I used to participate in.
Originally posted by OnyxCougar
[COLOR=indigo]Adult gets the death penalty, kid gets life. Parole after double digit years.[/COLOR]
He'll get paroled right after Sirhan Sirhan and Charlie Manson.
I thought the reason they were being tried in Virginia under the Homeland Security law is so they can be executed?
Here is something that should piss off anti death penalty folks . I personaly think leathel injection is to nice ( and yes i have read the reports about it being painfull ) for serial killers . Bring back the giloteen , fireing squads , drawing and quartering , etc...
That would deter some folks . Oh and tevevise it , pay per view .
Let some of these sick fucks SEE that murder is a terrable thing !!!
I saw a Public execution in Malasia once .
VERRRRRY FUCKED UP !!!
And yes both of these fucks should be taken out of the gene pool !!!!!
It doesn't piss me off...you have your opinion, I have mine.
That's the problem with a lot of stances these days...too much emotion on both sides...makes everything retarded.
So, yeah. Muhammad found guilty, jury recommends death. Nation is totally underwhelmed. "No fucking duh", says area man.
You guys are living in a dream world. They won't spend a single day in jail. Here's why:
1) Virginia jury votes to convict and, subsequently, to apply the death penalty.
2) Lawyers for both defendants appeal to Virginia Court of Appeals;
2a) ... meanwhile, ACLU files summary motion to dismiss all charges against Malvo and Muhammad; claims that search of the vehicle was invalid- search warrant for car covered only the passenger compartment, and that police should have obtained a separate warrant for the trunk.
3) Fourth Federal Circuit in Richmond agrees to hear appeal. Rules that Malvo and Muhammad's civil rights were violated by the illegal search, and that the fruits of that search are inadmissable as evidence. Overturns original convictions and orders Malvo and Muhammad released.
3a) Under double jeopardy rule, Malvo and Muhammad cannot be retried in Virginia.
4) Peoples Republic of Maryland declines to prosecute after amicus curiae brief filed by NAACP accuses the State of racial bias, because a study by Amnesty International shows that the State only prosecutes serial snipers with holes cut in trunks of Chevrolets when the suspects are African-American.
5) Muhammad and Malvo file multi-million dollar lawsuit against the Commonwealth of Virginia, the Federal Bureau of Prisons, the Montgomery County Police Department and General Motors.
6) Muhammad appears on Oprah; Dr. Phil grants blanket absolution.
6a) Malvo signs multi-year endorsement contract, doing commercials with Missy Elliot for the Gap.
I think Malvo will fry too. I think his "brainwashing" defense will collapse. Malvo is fifty times smarter than Mohammed and one could actually argue that it
might have even been the other way around (as far as who "brainwashed" who). That his attys would even attempt to construct an insanity defense when the
guy is so obviously NOT insane points to how desperate his situation is.
Malvo is one evil bastard. The jury will see that, the jury will see all the comments, writings and drawings he said/made while in custody and the jury will see
this man as a remorseless, cold-blooded murderer and they will sentence him to death. The jury hesitated sentencing Mohammed to death but his lack of remorse
swayed them. They will not, imho, hesitate with Malvo as he has NO redeeming qualities whatsoever.
I'm not a death penalty advocate as I do not have the nads to pull the switch. But I am a HUGE hypocrite in that regard as I feel they should both die for their crimes and their lack of remorse for the victims and the victims' families.
You guys are living in a dream world. They won't spend a single day in jail. Here's why:
3) Fourth Federal Circuit ... Malvo and Muhammad's civil rights were violated ... are inadmissable... Overturns ... Malvo and Muhammad released.
I'm sorry, but I think you have confused the Fourth Circuit Court with the NINTH Circuit Court? :D
Originally posted by OnyxCougar
[COLOR=indigo]I am wholeheartedly for the death penalty.
Every time I get into a discussion about the death penalty, I'm always asked whether or not I would pull the switch.
I reply "Yes. Twice."
If Travis had gotten the death penalty, I would have been the first in line saying, "oo! oo! Can I do it?" [/COLOR]
I wouldn't be afraid to pull a switch, inject a poison, whatever. Especially if the bastard had killed someone precious to me. If it were lethal injection, I'd stick the goddamned needle right in his fucking eyeball! :mad:
But I'm also for long, drawn-out torture: perhaps riddling the body with a million pinholes and then a dip into hot bleach. :rar:
Too many people rotting in jail nowadays. If you are guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, then hell should be your next home.
Originally posted by SteveDallas
Eww. Why would you want to??
(I don't mind meat-free food. Except when it tries to pretend it's meat.)
I concur. I have always hated hot dogs. The "fake" ones turn my stomache, as they remind me of the "real" ones. People eat some nasty shit.
Quzah.
Originally posted by Beestie
I'm not a death penalty advocate as I do not have the nads to pull the switch.
I am a death penalty advocate and would apply for a position on the firing squad ...
Originally posted by wolf
I am a death penalty advocate and would apply for a position on the firing squad ...
Take a number, lady. The line forms back here.
I got first dibs. :p :rattat: