Sexual assault
Grrrr I don't get it.
A 14 yo boy and a 14 yo girl get caught naked in bed before then have sex. They both freely admit sex was there intention and nobody was coerced.
The boy is charged with a serious crime.
The girl is charged with a misdemeanor.
First of all to charge either one is silly, IMO. But the difference in the charges is clearly sexist.:rar:
I can't hepl but think there's more to the story that we're getting from this article. I mean, jeez, the boy's dad says he refuses to listen to him... a teenager who won't listen to his parents? Man! We don't have enough jails to lock em all up.
They both clearly need a knot up side the gourd but I insist they both get the same knot.
I think it all boils down to the fact that the prosecuter has a deep seated anger that she ended up with a name like Kornblum.
Another set of lives ruined because of blatant stupidity. Our legal system truly does suck.
Perhaps there is more to this story than just the sex. But how bad does your kid have to be for you to go and throw them in jail?
Why didn't I find any 14 yr old girls like that when I was that age????
"Sex between kids is not legal," said Assistant District Attorney Lori Kornblum
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"The reason I charged this case was because of their attitude," Kornblum says. "I believe they had to be brought before an authority."
She sounds like a bitter old hag. I'm reminded of Ms. Crabtree, having recently watched that Southpark episode with the icecream and teetering school bus. I wonder if she's seeking vengeance for not having gotten any as a teen? One must wonder, with a last name like "Kornblum".
"I believe they had to be brought before an authority."
I didn't read the article but I guess its safe to say these children don't have parents?
They have parents, but the boy's father hated him enough to tell the prosecutors he was violating a deferred prosecution agreement, and the girl's mother called the cops on them in the first place.
What these kids really needed was to learn about the Fifth Amendment. Specifically, the right to remain silent. If they had refused to tell authorities anything, the authorities would have had no case -- even if they didn't respect the prosecutor's AUTHOWITAY, which seems to be what the case is really about.
Gotta love the bit in the article about "While authorities say their prosecution is meant to help, not punish, the teens". Yeah. Like a felony conviction helps anyone. The only thing more stupid would be if they were charging them as adults.
In some jurisdictions, a minor charged with a felony sexual assault will still be labeled a "sexual predator" for life, with all that neighbor notification and whatnot.
Another indication of Ms Kornblums repressed hate is that "he" gets felony and "she" gets misdemeanor. Bitch!:mad:
Well of course. Aren't women always being oppressed? He probably led her astray, or something. Damned dirty males.
Heh, this is cute.
Not to punish the children, she said, but to help them through various court-ordered services.
Don't you wish you had someone willing to help you like that when you were young?
Jokes aside, both kids are clearly fucked up. Maybe their parents didn't care enough or they had bad potty training, don't know, don't care. This got started as a threat and has snowballed strictly because of the way they act. I've known lots of people with abandonment issues and people that were sexually molested at a young age. You know what? They coped as teens and continue to cope without challenging anyone to call the police. Hell, I did lots of stuff as a teen that wasn't, ahem, strictly legal, but if I got caught I didn't talk shit. That's life and if they can't handle it then prison as adults will await them.
And yes Bruce, charging the boy more severely than the girl is bullshit.
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Another indication of Ms Kornblums repressed hate is that "he" gets felony and "she" gets misdemeanor. Bitch!:mad:
From the article:
The boy is being held in secure detention on a charge of attempted second-degree sexual assault, a felony that carries a possible juvenile prison term.
The girl pleaded guilty to fourth degree sexual assault, a misdemeanor, but is charged with violating her probation; a warrant has been issued for her arrest.
It doesn't say how the boy pleaded. Maybe the girl's less-severe charge is due to a plea bargain?
You simply can't reach the conclusion you're jumping to without more information.
Sure I can. My conclusion is based on the article I linked, as written. I'm not reading between the lines or making any assumptions.
If the article is incorrect or incomplete then all bets are off but in the mean time, Grrrrrr.:)
There's always more to the story.
Of course there is but I have enough trouble finding out as much as possible about situations that require me to take some sort of action. Especially if that action affects other people.
On shit like this I'm allowed to vent, like the idiot I am, because it doesn't hurt anybody and if I'm wrong then I can always blame the reporter.
If this were a local case and Ms. Kornblum was on the local payroll or better yet local ballot, I'd make sure I found out as much as possible before judging the rotten bitch.:)
I'm getting all my information from the article too, Bruce. The girl entered a plea, whereas I'm assuming the boy didn't, or else it would probably mention it.
Maybe if the boy pleads guilty to fourth degree-sexual assault as well, the charge of second-degree sexual assault will be dropped. Maybe that's exactly what the girl did. That's called a plea bargain.
Are we reading the same article? All I see is the girl pleaded guilty to 4th degree. It doesn't say there was a bargain to reduce the charges in return for her plea. I think you're making an assumption based on usual procedure but it doesn't say that.
It also says in her case, she was going to brainwashing that all parties agreed she needed. I'd assume she was included in "all" parties which tells me she acquiesed to her parents and the courts.
He on the other hand, apparently did not plead guilty but it doesn't say if a deal was offered. Delayed sentencing tells me he was found guilty. He was ordered by the court to follow a program, which he did not, so I guess he was not prepared to be broken yet.
So ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Ms Kornblum is a rotten bitch untill proven innocent. ;)
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
So ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Ms Kornblum is a rotten bitch untill proven innocent. ;)
I don't disagree with that, and yes I'm making assumptions based on usual procedure. They are being treated differently, and I'm trying to figure out why. I'm just not prepared to believe right off that bat that it's because he's a boy and she's a girl.
I suspect it had a lot to do with attitude.
The girl, although defiant in the original confrontation, obviously caved when separated from her boyfriend and confronted by parents and courts without him.
The boy probably coped an attitude, having suffered coitus interuptus and blue balls.
The thing that bothers me most is there's a 14 year old girl out there that wants it and they conceal her identity.:D
Bad Bruce! Very bad! The correct young ones to be chasing after attend college, not Jr. High.
By the by, the way I read it the boy caved to, cut a deal, then broke his word and the deal. His dad ratted him out. Thus he gets busted big time.
For the record, it's MHO that everyone involved with this story is screwed. The adults are either bullying or trying to treat the kids like they care about their future. Neither will work. Okay, maybe it worked a little on the girl. The kids though, for christ's sake, a dumbass punk like this kid and they think he'll follow the rules he agrees to? Not a chance. I base calling him a punk off of having a record at 14, and the dumbass part off of him getting caught before he got any. I mean getting away with it at that age is simple as hell. Idiots.
Bad Bruce! Very bad! The correct young ones to be chasing after attend college, not Jr. High.
No chasing. I just prop up a box with a stick. Tie a string to the stick and put an autographed photo of Brit Spears under the box. I think the box and stick came from Acme Dating Service.:haha:
Originally posted by Whit
Bad Bruce! Very bad! The correct young ones to be chasing after attend college, not Jr. High.
By the by, the way I read it the boy caved to, cut a deal, then broke his word and the deal. His dad ratted him out. Thus he gets busted big time.
For the record, it's MHO that everyone involved with this story is screwed. The adults are either bullying or trying to treat the kids like they care about their future. Neither will work. Okay, maybe it worked a little on the girl. The kids though, for christ's sake, a dumbass punk like this kid and they think he'll follow the rules he agrees to? Not a chance. I base calling him a punk off of having a record at 14, and the dumbass part off of him getting caught before he got any. I mean getting away with it at that age is simple as hell. Idiots.
I know i'm posting much after the relevant discussion has passed, but i would like to venture out on a limb and say it's abercrombie and fitch's fault.
From me:
...him getting caught before he got any.
From Darclauz:
...it's abercrombie and fitch's fault.
Why? Is their clothing particulary hard to get out of or take longer to get off or something?
Originally posted by Whit
Why? Is their clothing particulary hard to get out of or take longer to get off or something?
no -- their fall catalog essentially sells sex to kids. about a third of the models are totally unclothed...the rest of them are featured in beds together...two guys and a girl, two girls and a guy (bruce? bruce?) etc. it's porn for teens!!!
Sex really doesnt need much of a hard sell. ;)
Originally posted by darclauz
it's porn for teens!!!
Why just for teens? I didn't see any maximum age limit posted on their site!! :blunt:
Oh, wait... is this the same company that caused a minor tempest in a teapot a couple years back for selling thongs to 10-year-olds?
Here's some sample pics from the catalog. You can judge for yourselves.
Originally posted by juju
Here's some sample pics from the catalog. You can judge for yourselves.
Holy shit!
I'll be back in... uh... fifteen minutes. I have to go to the bathroom.
The erotic allure of plaid.
I must have gotten a bum link. Either that, or it's porn for women. Most of the pictures have more men than women, and one had a HORSE, fergoshsakes. Now where's that Victoria's Secret link?
Hmm. Well, there's these from their website. I like them better. Though they don't seem to be advertising any specific item of clothing.
But of course, that's not really porn, Dar. They're not showing any genital parts or nipples. And besides, when it comes to business, everybody knows that morals don't matter. As long as you make a profit and don't get arrested, it's okay.
Perhaps there are more photos of men because women buy more clothes?
ya know...........just cuz i can't see a nipple...or more to the point, my thirteen year old son can't see a nipple...doesn't mean there ain't a nipple there. and if he can't see it on this page, but this page has made him want it............maybe he should go screw his thirteen year old girl friend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NIPPLES FOR ALL THE TEENAGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by dave
overprotective much?
not at all. an overprotective mom would demand pasties.
i say....it's A&F gifts this year for all the dwellars.
Originally posted by darclauz
yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NIPPLES FOR ALL THE TEENAGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hate to tell ya, but I think they've got 'em already.
Originally posted by darclauz
ya know...........just cuz i can't see a nipple...or more to the point, my thirteen year old son can't see a nipple...doesn't mean there ain't a nipple there. and if he can't see it on this page, but this page has made him want it.
I think it's the hormones that made him want it.
It seems silly to me to ban the truth.
Fergit A&F and teenagers. Nipples this year for all the dwellers!!!
Originally posted by juju
I think it's the hormones that made him want it.
It seems silly to me to ban the truth.
i can't WAIT to see you and your child in ten years, juju....
let's see if this opinion changes.... =)
Now, juju is a son of a bitch, but I think he might actually be able to pull this one out and <b>not</b> be a total over-protective dick of a dad. Seriously. I have faith in you, man. Just tell 'em that you love 'em, don't hit and you ought to be okay.
Originally posted by Whit
Fergit A&F and teenagers. Nipples this year for all the dwellers!!!
Geez Whit, I've already got 'em. Don't you?:D
Originally posted by dave
Now, juju is a son of a bitch, but I think he might actually be able to pull this one out and <b>not</b> be a total over-protective dick of a dad. Seriously. I have faith in you, man. Just tell 'em that you love 'em, don't hit and you ought to be okay.
Sure Juju, what better way for the kid to learn than by watching a recreation of their creation? Sex-ed begins at home.:D
Geez Whit, I've already got 'em. Don't you?
Not of the sort I'm talking about... I could use some though, know anybody in this area I could call that could supply a pair?
Well, we found out last night that it's a girl. This was achieved through a late-night hospital visit in Fort Smith with one of my mom's doctor friends. Believe it or not, we've got a great picture of this kid's crotch, wherein you can actually see the labia. I've decided not to post it, 'cause that'd probably just piss the kid off later on.
Anyway, it's a girl, and the name will be Sarah Alexandra Morton.
Maybe she will grow up and wear Abercrombie and Fitch?
A girl, eh? Well, in that case I'm sure it's only a matter of time before you buy a gun...
Congrats man, girl-children are great. Though be prepared for a little person that has strange power over your moods.
<i> Believe it or not, we've got a great picture of this kid's crotch, wherein you can actually see the labia. I've decided not to post it, 'cause that'd probably just piss the kid off later on. </i>
Hot Foetal Action!
Wow, UT. You've set a new standard for Cellar wrongness. And that's really saying something. I'm not saying that kind of comment didn't pass through my mind. Just saying it's wrong.
In summation, bad UT!
Yeah, well I'm betting you good money that you receive at least one spam with that subject line in 2004!
The bottom of the barrel is in sight.
These last few posts won't be important in the over all scheme of things. A girl named SAM will have other issues to address like a father named Juju.:D
This Abercrombie and Fitch catalog is an outrage. It's nothing but pure filth! I mean, when is someone going to stop and think of the children?? The poor, defenseless children... they don't know of the harsh reality of our filthy, corruptible world. Those damned A&F scoundrels. I'm sending a letter to my congressman, right after I get my nails done and my SUV gassed up.
What will I tell my child about the president's penis?? Impeach!! That dirty scoundrel!
What the... erhm.. I... I don't know what came over me. Is it a full moon? What's happening to meee??
Saddly, I don't doubt the that I'll get that spam...
As far as the bottom of the barrel goes, call me a pessimist if you must, but I think it's still a ways down there. I've said before that I don't have faith, that may be incorrect. I have faith that no matter how low people sink they'll always be able to find a new, lower level.
Actually if the truth be told, I had a line on the Cellar that was worse than that one. 1995 or so.
It concluded with the phrase "delicate snipping of the vas deferens with the teeth."
I will not be out-alt.tasteless'd on the Cellar.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find that Juju had, by now, his door kicked in, his computer equipment seized, and that he was in the process of being prosecuted for being a purveyor of kiddie porn, had he posted the ultrasound image he described.
Ashcroft and the Patriot Act...it is like Wile E. Coyote lighting a match in a darkened room, only to discover it is a dynamite storage shack.
Hey Ep, here ya go.
http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4034 Have fun. I'll cheer for ya.
UT, I won't even think of challenging your ability to be tasteless. You win.
Originally posted by juju
What the... erhm.. I... I don't know what came over me. Is it a full moon? What's happening to meee??
Heh... poor juju... well you'll be much calmer after you've gone down to the local board of elections and registered as a Republican :beer:
I doubt they'll let him in untill he cuts his hair.
Hey!! Jesus had long hair! And....he voted Republican. What do you say to that Mr smarty pants?
Originally posted by slang
Hey!! Jesus had long hair! And....he voted Republican. What do you say to that Mr smarty pants?
ummm...how can you tell? by watching his old movies?
It's true, Jesus had long hair. What was I supposed to do, "miracle" it from his head?
Kids nowdays.
Actually, according to the bible he had curly hair, like that of a lamb. So regardless of all the pics he didn't have long straight hair.
Also, I think you are wrong about the voting republican thing. Jesus wore sandals, all the time. Nobody that into sandals votes republican.
I dunno...Jesus may have been the first compassionate conservative.
Jesus voted Republican?
Just curious... does actually say in the Bible that Jesus had long hair, or is that just in the pictures?
Whoops.. four posts just sprang out of nowhere! That'll teach me to hit refresh..
It's one of those nights dude.
No known statement on hair of head. Only hair of face:
"I gave My...cheeks to those who plucked off the hair; I hid not my face from shame and spitting" (Isaiah 50:6).
Hmm, having looked for it I find that my reference come from the first chapter of revelations and is after the death and return from hell and all that stuff. It seems his apearance had changed a bit from what john was familiar with...
Originally posted by Whit
Also, I think you are wrong about the voting republican thing. Jesus wore sandals, all the time. Nobody that into sandals votes republican.
...proof of his Libertarian leanings.
Wearing sandals and robes all the time? Nah, I'm thinking Green party...
hmmmm... fergot about the robes
Wouldn't that be a
libertarian?I am not a fan of footwear, and were it not for the vagaries of Midwestern weather, and jobs, I would likely go barefoot at all times.
Back when I was still a confused spiritual person, and weak, I allowed myself to go to Lutheran church with my first wife. On Easter Sunday, as I stood in the line to take communion, wearing my Sunday best slacks, sweater...and sandals, I was approached by an usher (who was, admittedly, a friend of the family, and a real nice guy).
"Patrick, do you think those sandals are appropriate for this holiday?"
"Well...Jesus wore sandals, didn't he?"
That pretty much ended that conversation.
Originally posted by Griff
Wouldn't that be a libertarian?
I thought libertarians were just Republicans who smoke pot?
Originally posted by Tobiasly
I thought libertarians were just Republicans who smoke pot?
Naa. A Libertarian is a liberal or conservative who has been mugged by the police.
Originally posted by Whit
I think you are wrong about the voting republican thing. Jesus wore sandals, all the time. Nobody that into sandals votes republican. [/B]
If they were them with socks they do.:)
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
If they were them with socks they do.:)
My dad wears socks with his birkenstocks. Colored ones normally - so if he is wearing a green polo shirt and tan shorts - green socks and tan birks. Its rather entertaining to look at. Especially since he is a large German man.
I'd say with that outfit, the larger he is the better.:D