I bawt a Tesla

Undertoad • Jul 21, 2020 1:13 pm
Ask me anything.
Undertoad • Jul 21, 2020 1:16 pm
It is blue

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Flint • Jul 21, 2020 1:22 pm
Is that a picture of it?
Undertoad • Jul 21, 2020 1:26 pm
Yes.

It cost me $1000 to have it in blue. Any color but white is an extra $1000, but I just could not have white, due to the racial. So I made this ridiculous emotional choice to pay extra for a blue one
lumberjim • Jul 21, 2020 1:28 pm
it's lovely. I've never even sat in one. goes fast? handles well? cool tech?


what's you're favorite and least favorite thing so far?
monster • Jul 21, 2020 1:44 pm
Hi UT! It's very pretty. Did you name it?
monster • Jul 21, 2020 1:45 pm
and when are you getting married so we can decorate it appropriately? :D
Undertoad • Jul 21, 2020 1:52 pm
0-60 in 4.4 secs, I think it's like 345 HP

The instant acceleration of the EV is stunning. The throttle lag of the gas car is something we don't really think about. In all gas cars, when you put your foot down, there is a one-mississippi that happens before you get all of the go-fast power. Because the revs have to go up before you get all the torque. That's doubly true of the CVT.

But in the electric car, the acceleration is immediate - all that torque is immediately available and put to the wheels. It's breath-taking.

Most favorite thing: I guess, zero emissions - reducing my carbon footprint for transportation by half. But there are like 10 most favorite things

Least favorite thing: imagining that people think I'm bragging, but all I want to do is talk about how awesome it is and how they are secretly affordable and everybody should get one

You must try it out at the first safe opportunity. I insist
Clodfobble • Jul 21, 2020 1:54 pm
Cool! Pics of the inside? Getting a Tesla is on my list of things to do once I'm not hauling kids around anymore.
Undertoad • Jul 21, 2020 2:00 pm
Tesla actually requires that you name your car. My car's name is "Hope". It is looking to an optimistic future where tech improves things. Also an optimistic future where I stay employed and can make the payments.
Undertoad • Jul 21, 2020 2:16 pm
Married: May 2021 if everything goes to plan and the world is a better place
Undertoad • Jul 21, 2020 2:37 pm
Interior. I really dig the minimal design. No visible air vents, no dash indicators or controls, it's all on the touchscreen. The air vents are hidden and, like everything else on the car, are controlled by that screen.

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I didn't get the white interior. That too would have been an extra $1000

All the seating material is vegan-friendly leather, it is nice
DanaC • Jul 21, 2020 2:58 pm
Very cool!
BigV • Jul 21, 2020 2:58 pm
Undertoad;1055527 wrote:
Ask me anything.


[strike]Where in the heck have you been?!?![/strike]

1 -- Welcome back! (not a question, I know).

2 -- Does it include "Ludicrous speed"?

3 -- How do you charge it? 110 / 220, did it require any adaptations to your home electrical service?

4 -- Have you had the opportunity to park it somewhere that has a public charger? Pay or free?

5 -- Are your cheeks cramping up from smiling so much?
Undertoad • Jul 21, 2020 3:35 pm
1. Not really back

2. No, that's for the expensive Model S. But my partricular Model 3 does have a faster mode. If I ever get tired of a 4.4 second car, I can upgrade: another $2000 turns it into a 3.9 second car. Via software!

3. So far I have only charged it with 110, which adds about 4 miles range per hour. That's more than enough to recharge from my daily commute overnight (once we begin commuting again). I do have a 220v dryer outlet and a $75 extension cord I can run out a window, if I ever need to charge faster at home.

But also, I got a deal: since I bawt an end-of-quarter car from inventory, I get free Tesla Supercharging for a year. That would be nicer if there was a Supercharger within 20 miles, but in any case, it's a thing. They are planning to put in a Supercharger near me... hope it happens within that year...

I am finding the 110v is plenty. In the winter, when it's less efficient, that may change.

4. My four Supercharging sessions have each put about 150-200 miles on, in about 25 minutes. I investigated a free charging station at the next building over at work, but it only has enough juice to put on 12 miles per hour, and it's about a quarter mile walk away... not the best conditions.

There are also for-pay third party chargers near me. All charging is cheaper than gas. At this time I've calculated that I'm paying 3.7 cents per mile to fuel it. Gas is about 10 cents per mile. Not including oil/filters.

5. Yes. I'm not over it. This thing is freakin' amazing.
Diaphone Jim • Jul 21, 2020 3:37 pm
Are the brakes iffy or did you intend to overshoot onto the grass?
lumberjim • Jul 21, 2020 3:43 pm
they have a 4yr 50k basic and 8 yr battery warranty. I think I'd def extend that. what do you have to service other than wiper fluid and tire rotations? Is there any kind of a cooling system service?
Undertoad • Jul 21, 2020 3:53 pm
Intentional: I have a shared driveway with the folks next to me. I put one tire on the grass so they can get their rear car out more easily.

I hardly ever touch the brake pedal. The car has regenerative braking - when you take your foot off the gas, the car uses its forward momentum to recharge the battery. This slows the car considerably -- enough to handle 95% of slowdowns/stops.
Undertoad • Jul 21, 2020 4:01 pm
Wiper fluid and tire rotations is exactly the entire user maintenance.

The first scheduled maintenance is at two years. That maintenance is: inspect the brakes and change out the cabin air filter. That's IT.

Think about the last 10 services you had on your cars. Now think what they would be if the motor was electric and the car had no transmission. Reported services are on other sections of the car, and some of those are kinda of major - like, someone said their front radar malfunctioned. (They could still drive, but couldn't use Autopilot) Still, my expectation is way less service will be needed, that is part of the Hope.
Griff • Jul 21, 2020 4:25 pm
Undertoad;1055534 wrote:
0-60 in 4.4 secs, I think it's like 345 HP



Oh hell yeah!
lumberjim • Jul 21, 2020 4:35 pm
I want a Tesla Ford Bronco right now.
Griff • Jul 21, 2020 4:37 pm
I'll take a Tesla Tacoma.
lumberjim • Jul 21, 2020 4:54 pm
One of my salesmen just bought a new Tacoma. I like it. It's cool looking
Griff • Jul 21, 2020 6:03 pm
My knock around truck is a 2011. Reliable vehicle but maybe drop the body on an electric..
sexobon • Jul 21, 2020 6:43 pm
Undertoad;1055546 wrote:
1. Not really back

Undertoad did an Ibby! :lol2:
glatt • Jul 21, 2020 10:01 pm
Sweet ride, UT!
monster • Jul 21, 2020 10:45 pm
Undertoad;1055537 wrote:
Married: May 2021 if everything goes to plan and the world is a better place


I will start collecting tin cans and hoarding shaving foam and string... what?
Dude111 • Jul 21, 2020 10:54 pm
Congrats buddy I hope ya like it 4 many years!!!!!
DanaC • Jul 22, 2020 6:37 am
Undertoad;1055546 wrote:
1. Not really back

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Tease!
glatt • Jul 22, 2020 6:59 am
Undertoad;1055538 wrote:
it's all on the touchscreen. The air vents are hidden and, like everything else on the car, are controlled by that screen.


How is the user interface on the screen? I remember you criticizing a Ford touch screen about ten years ago.

I understand Teslas can assist you with driving, so is hunting around on the touch screen not a distraction because the car will take care of you while your eyes are off the road?

I have a 2009 Accord, and there are still little things that annoy me about the controls, like the A/C button doesn’t light up when the A/C is on. You have to glance around on the display screen to find that information, and it isn’t very prominent.
Griff • Jul 22, 2020 7:28 am
Good question. I have a touch screen in my Subaru which is my only complaint about the vehicle. My generation will be dead pretty soon though...
Undertoad • Jul 22, 2020 8:17 am
The screen is huge and most things you might need to do are two "clicks" away -- but I prefer the voice interface to get things done.

It's like -- there is an "auto" setting for the wipers, so the car will try to detect rain on the windshield and clear it. If you want the wipers to go faster, you can go to the wipers in that interface and switch "auto" to "3". But it's easier to press the voice button and say "set wipers to 3".

When the car is in Autopilot, which I am learning when to trust - it's no big deal at all to take your eyes of the screen for long enough to hunt the interface a little. at this time I trust Autopilot when there are clear lane markings and nothing "hard" for the car to do - like deal with hard rain, or twilight conditions (when the sun is in your eyes, it's in the cameras' eyes too).
Griff • Jul 22, 2020 8:26 am
Hmmm... maybe now that I can hear I should get comfortable with voice interfaces. The key word is should though.
fargon • Jul 22, 2020 10:26 am
May Hope give many years of faithful service.
Undertoad • Jul 22, 2020 3:27 pm
Yes and you have a key that's like a credit card, you can hold up to one edge of the door to lock or unlock it. But mostly you use your phone. Once your phone is set up as a key, you just walk up to the car and get in; the car unlocks for you.

And with that system, there's no "key in the ignition" step. You just press the brake pedal, and the car adjusts the seat, mirrors, and steering wheel to your settings, and turns on climate (and lights, and wipers, etc). Then you just put it in Drive and go.

This takes a little getting used to, especially because the car is silent. The engine doesn't switch on and rev and etc. You hit the accelerator and you're off. Silently.

And when you get to where you wanted to go, you just put it in Park and get out. You walk about 10 feet away from the car, and it recognizes you've walked away and nobody else is in the car. So it locks itself and shuts down the climate and stuff.
lumberjim • Jul 22, 2020 6:03 pm
Fucking future magic from Sci fi books I read as a kid.
monster • Jul 22, 2020 8:08 pm
I am, of course, remembering The Cellar Car at this point. Get off my lawn.
Diaphone Jim • Jul 22, 2020 8:16 pm
"And when you get to where you wanted to go, you just put it in Park and get out."
Assuming, of course, that Hope agreed with your choice of destinations.
Undertoad • Jul 22, 2020 8:53 pm
I didn't buy the Full Self Driving option. It was another $7,000 to get that. I can still add it at any time, but the price went up: it's now $8,000. The theory is that, as it develops, it will be more and more useful over time, and they will continue to increase the price.

If they ever reach complete full autonomy driving, the value is supposed to skyrocket, because at that point the cars can become robo-taxis and just generate money. Some people think it will be worth $100,000.
Undertoad • Jul 22, 2020 9:04 pm
Went to the Dentist this morning. I was late getting there for my 9am appointment, drove much more reasonably on the way back.

Third-party website TeslaFi fetches the data from your car and compiles reports about your trips, your charges, etc. geekery dream

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those max speeds were only momentary i swear
monster • Jul 22, 2020 9:31 pm
That's a hell of a long way to go to the dentist... Have you considered going to B... oh, wait....
Griff • Jul 22, 2020 9:43 pm
Ohh shiiit.🤣
Undertoad • Jul 22, 2020 10:17 pm
:thumb2:

10/10 well played
Clodfobble • Jul 22, 2020 10:26 pm
Ha! Took me a second, but... HA!
lumberjim • Jul 23, 2020 12:37 am
It's taking me more than a second....
Undertoad • Jul 23, 2020 8:36 am
She's saying I should go to Blue Bell where there is a family dentist who screwed up work in my mouth so I brought the story here and we all mocked him relentlessly until a year or so later he actually showed up here
DanaC • Jul 23, 2020 11:08 am
I recall the mocking - I dont remember him turning up - but then my memory is shocking these days:P
Happy Monkey • Jul 23, 2020 6:28 pm
Congrats! I'd love to have one, if I didn't need to get a house with a garage (or even a driveway) as an accessory.

Undertoad;1055605 wrote:
I didn't buy the Full Self Driving option.

Good call. I'm a Tesla fan (and investor) but the one thing I can't argue with critics on is that I don't think it's ready to be paid for now, let alone when they started offering it. Paying for it is essentially like buying the top tier on a crowdfunding site to get access to the beta. Maybe for a game like Subnautica, but maybe not for something that steers my car.

It was another $7,000 to get that. I can still add it at any time, but the price went up: it's now $8,000. The theory is that, as it develops, it will be more and more useful over time, and they will continue to increase the price.

If they ever reach complete full autonomy driving, the value is supposed to skyrocket, because at that point the cars can become robo-taxis and just generate money. Some people think it will be worth $100,000.
Would you let your car wander for extra income? Seems like a pretty big mindset change.
Undertoad • Jul 23, 2020 9:04 pm
If it made me $30k per year, yes I would!
Undertoad • Jul 23, 2020 9:25 pm
Musk generates a constant trickle of hints that car autonomy is closer than we expect. That doesn't correspond at all to how things currently operate, but Musk figures there will be a sudden whomp of improvement... by end of 2020. I'm not buying Full Self Driving now, because I'm betting that his schedule will lag -- but I could be wrong.

https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/tesla-autopilot-2q-2020
Undertoad • Jul 23, 2020 11:48 pm
Oh and I missed commenting on this part

Happy Monkey;1055643 wrote:
I'm a Tesla fan (and investor)


:eek: :D

well done sir well done
Happy Monkey • Jul 24, 2020 12:10 am
Thanks. Wish I'd been braver, but can't complain.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 24, 2020 12:29 am
Undertoad;1055530 wrote:
Any color but white is an extra $1000, but I just could not have white, due to the racial.

It's a beautiful color but racial? Driving a white vehicle is a racial statement? :eyebrow:

Undertoad;1055534 wrote:
In all gas cars, when you put your foot down, there is a one-mississippi that happens before you get all of the go-fast power.

I had my one-mississippi removed, along with some physical changes. It took some getting use to at lights, leave a extra half car length and make sure the guy in front is moving before pressing on the go pedal. I would imagine you're in the same boat except for the wizardry that keeps you from running into things.

...when you take your foot off the gas, the car uses its forward momentum to recharge the battery. This slows the car considerably --
But the brake lights don't come on?

Undertoad;1055538 wrote:
Interior. I really dig the minimal design. No visible air vents, no dash indicators or controls, it's all on the touchscreen.
No line of sight indicators of any information.

Undertoad;1055536 wrote:
Tesla actually requires that you name your car.
:facepalm:

Undertoad;1055593 wrote:
Yes and you have a key that's like a credit card, you can hold up to one edge of the door to lock or unlock it. But mostly you use your phone. Once your phone is set up as a key, you just walk up to the car and get in; the car unlocks for you.
There's no key and fob to do that? You have to have a phone? You can't get in if the car loses power?

And with that system, there's no "key in the ignition" step. You just press the brake pedal, and the car adjusts the seat, mirrors, and steering wheel to your settings, and turns on climate (and lights, and wipers, etc). Then you just put it in Drive and go.
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You walk about 10 feet away from the car, and it recognizes you've walked away and nobody else is in the car. So it locks itself and shuts down the climate and stuff.
You are not in control, the car does what [strike]Steve Jobs[/strike] Elon Musk wants and you get used to it.

Undertoad;1055606 wrote:

Third-party website TeslaFi fetches the data from your car and compiles reports about your trips, your charges, etc. geekery dream

Right TeslaFi, division of NSA. Some of their calculations take a huge leap of faith to believe but a comparison if they're off the same amount each time.

Undertoad;1055652 wrote:
Musk generates a constant trickle of hints that car autonomy is closer than we expect. I'm not buying Full Self Driving now, because I'm betting that his schedule will lag -- but I could be wrong.

Musk was counting on Trump to cut the red tape but that won't happen.

Bottom line, the perfect car for you. It's already given you enough boners to justify the cost. Enjoy the ride! :celebrat:
Undertoad • Jul 24, 2020 1:22 am
xoxoxoBruce;1055658 wrote:
It's a beautiful color but racial? Driving a white vehicle is a racial statement? :eyebrow:


S'a joke sir

But the brake lights don't come on?


They do.

No line of sight indicators of any information.


Could be worse, you could need the information. Like tach, water temp, oil pressure, fuel gauge, these are all no longer needed.

There are a few things I would prefer to have in front of me, but none of them are typical dash indicators. I'd like to have the navigation in front of me, I imagine some cars may have that but I don't know of them.

There's no key and fob to do that? You have to have a phone? You can't get in if the car loses power?


You use the regular key which is a credit card, doors are managed off a separate battery from the drive battery.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 24, 2020 1:40 am
OK, you bought blue because you wanted blue. Jokes like that are not a given these days when you listen to the extreme positions being taken.

The brake lights come on from the regen braking without the pedal?

Could be better too, turn signals, high beams, SPEED. You're mistaken, you still need a fuel gage. If it has to be a display at least put it in the center of the wheel.

So there is no way to open the door, at least from the outside, if it doesn't have power regardless of which battery it works off of.
Undertoad • Jul 24, 2020 1:40 am
t's already given you enough boners to justify the cost.


A whole set of factors lead this to be about the same monthly nut as my previous ride. That includes credit improvements, insurance provider switch, electric provider switch, and the savings of about $80/month in gas once we get back to commuting. [COLOR="tan"]And a down payment with a big ol' bonus I got at work[/COLOR]

Service should be less. Tires will be more.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 24, 2020 1:43 am
More for tires? What, were you buying crap tires for the other one?
Undertoad • Jul 24, 2020 2:05 am
xoxoxoBruce;1055666 wrote:
The brake lights come on from the regen braking without the pedal?


Yes, it goes according to the rate of slowdown

Could be better too, turn signals, high beams, SPEED. You're mistaken, you still need a fuel gage.


All the major bits are at the top left of the 15" screen and I don't miss seeing them right in front. It's about the same amount of glance down.

High beams I just keep on automatic; the car manages that.

Don't need a fuel gauge. I'll start every day from home with like 280 miles range. So unless I'm going to drive for 4 hours, I don't need to know the range at all. On a longer trip, the range is managed by the navigation system, generally going to the next supercharger.

In a gas car, you're trained to manage your car's fuel status carefully; and even though you can run out at any time, you run it low for conveniences' sake. You need a gauge. And you need it to be accurate, but it never is...

So there is no way to open the door, at least from the outside, if it doesn't have power regardless of which battery it works off of.


That's true, although the battery systems are carefully managed. Meanwhile, I was locked out of a car three times in the last 10 years. Keys locked in the car. Key broken off in the trunk lock. Fob low on battery. Let's see how this next run of ten years goes.
Undertoad • Jul 24, 2020 2:07 am
xoxoxoBruce;1055668 wrote:
More for tires? What, were you buying crap tires for the other one?


I'll need them sooner, because car is very fast.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 24, 2020 2:44 am
But you're not doing burnouts, speed shouldn't make a great deal of difference other than the faster you travel the better your tires should be. I know I have to pay more for Z rated tires.

I never agree with the automatic headlights choices. I shouldn't say never, but often disagree. I can tell if there is a vehicle approaching around a blind bend or over the crest of a hill at night. The lights won't dim automatically until it sees his lights and by then he's caught my high beams full in the face. I try to dim them before that.

If you start out in the morning with a full charge and if you don't need heat or chill, and you drive slow and safe, then you're good 280 miles. That's a bunch of ifs to take into account without looking at a fuel gage. :rolleyes:

But none of that matters because it's what you've wanted for a very long time and now you've got it... plus next year you'll grab the brass ring and live happily ever after. :thumb2:
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 24, 2020 4:10 am
Damn Tony, $104 million for a blue one!! :lol:
Undertoad • Aug 2, 2020 8:54 pm
[COLOR="Red"]Fanboi alarm! WOOT WOOOOOOOT [/COLOR]

Well they came out with their quarterly safety statement and here, from accident data 2020-Q2, it's pretty interesting:

In the 2nd quarter, we registered one accident for every 4.53 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged. For those driving without Autopilot but with our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 2.27 million miles driven. For those driving without Autopilot and without our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 1.56 million miles driven. By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 479,000 miles.


Well.... I dunno. There are still some gotchas in this data; like, you won't/can't use Autopilot under the most unsafe conditions, like when the roads are poor.

But this does make me feel better about Autopilot. I'm using it more.

Today I had an unexpected moment with it. I wanted to unwrap a cheese stick using both hands, and I started driving the car with my knees, as one does. Then I realized: duh, let the car take over the driving. The car is a waaay better driver than my knees. Even with 40 years of experience in knee-driving.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 3, 2020 2:06 am
Knees are poor drivers, even pro knees are risky. Their problem being the brain is disconnected. It's like a brain off to college just calling home once a week with the knees doing the best they can between calls.

People don't realize hands free phone calls do the same thing. When the person on the line mentions a third party you're spinning your mental rolodex looking for that person. When they mention a place, back to the mental picture files. When they describe an interaction with someone, you're building a stage set picturing the interaction playing out in your head.

That is called distracting driving.
Yeah, I know, you do it all the time and nothing more than a HONK, oops sorry, has happened. But it will.
Griff • Aug 3, 2020 7:33 am
xoxoxoBruce;1056024 wrote:
Knees are poor drivers, even pro knees are risky. Their problem being the brain is disconnected. It's like a brain off to college just calling home once a week with the knees doing the best they can between calls.



That's why I'm an elbow driver. ;)
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 4, 2020 9:29 pm
Model 3...
Undertoad • Aug 4, 2020 9:41 pm
Model X rollover test

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Griff • Aug 5, 2020 7:15 am
Wow, really low center of gravity. She must be amazing on corners.
glatt • Aug 5, 2020 7:27 am
Weebles wobble but they don’t fall down.
Gravdigr • Aug 5, 2020 8:04 pm
Griff;1056139 wrote:
She must be amazing on corners.


It's my understanding from the car mags that they are exactly that, amazing.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 6, 2020 1:55 am
Got all that battery weight down low, a little tug on the rope and it rolls right back in the sand or whatever that is. Laying on its side on hard ground would be harder to upright it, might have to ask your date to get out and help. ;)
limey • Aug 6, 2020 3:44 am
xoxoxoBruce;1056024 wrote:
Knees are poor drivers, even pro knees are risky. Their problem being the brain is disconnected. It's like a brain off to college just calling home once a week with the knees doing the best they can between calls.

People don't realize hands free phone calls do the same thing. When the person on the line mentions a third party you're spinning your mental rolodex looking for that person. When they mention a place, back to the mental picture files. When they describe an interaction with someone, you're building a stage set picturing the interaction playing out in your head.

That is called distracting driving.
Yeah, I know, you do it all the time and nothing more than a HONK, oops sorry, has happened. But it will.



About the hands free phones, yes and YES this.
Which is why I’ll never set my phone up for hands free use in the car.


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Undertoad • Aug 9, 2020 9:37 am
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Undertoad • Aug 10, 2020 4:17 pm
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Reddit post: "My daughter and I walked away"

Last Friday we were driving home from Florida. An 18 wheeler pulled in front of us from a turn lane, auto pilot picked it up and tried to stop. I grabbed the wheel and tried to avoid the 18 wheeler. the rear guard rail on the 18 wheeler caught the front of the car and cut the entire driver side off the only way I can explain it is it looked like it was done with a light saber

My daughter was asleep in the rear seat she got six stitches in her knee

I broke my arm severely had a couple surgeries pins and plates but ultimately walked away from something we shouldn’t have

We were not cut out of the car and charge the life we’re not used [toad's note: he is doing voice recog with his phone, it's actually "jaws of life were not used"]

Did you know that Tesla will do a contactless delivery to the hospital.

Tesla delivered a 2020 Y to the hospital for me.
BigV • Aug 10, 2020 7:09 pm
how do you engage the autopilot while underway and do you have to take one hand off your cheese to do it?
Undertoad • Aug 10, 2020 8:31 pm
Pull down twice on the right stalk. It's one pull-down for adaptive cruise control, so it's kinda like, one pull for the car to take the accelerator, two for it to take the wheel as well.

Further, grabbing the wheel and actually steering will disengage autopilot, and tapping the brake disengages both autopilot and cruise.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 11, 2020 12:25 am
I still don't understand how that accident happened. He caught the truck's rear Mansfield bar and ripped the drivers side off. Was the truck crossing his path?

Anyway here's the factory in Nevada...
Undertoad • Aug 12, 2020 1:41 pm
The sheer level of attention to detail is amazing!

The car has an app, to manage it while you are away from it. On its home screen, the app shows a picture of the car. Since my car is blue, the picture is of a blue car.

If I back into my driveway, the car is shown facing away. If I drive in forward, it's shown facing forward.

Here, see below, I backed the car in.

Also, the green light at the rear taillight is on, because the car is charging, and also, there's a cable leading up to the charging port.

If a door or trunk is open on the car, it's shown as open on the app picture.

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Clodfobble • Aug 12, 2020 2:01 pm
Undertoad wrote:
If I back into my driveway, the car is shown facing away. If I drive in forward, it's shown facing forward.


By facing forward, you mean nose toward the camera, but still facing left, right? Because surely you want to see the little charger plug from either angle?
Undertoad • Aug 12, 2020 2:14 pm
Yes, imagine the car above turned 90 degrees counter-clockwise
glatt • Aug 12, 2020 2:36 pm
Thanks for taking the trouble to track down another camera to take a picture of your phone, and then get that image off that other device and into the Cellar.
Undertoad • Aug 12, 2020 2:43 pm
:D i appreciate your appreciation, I was briefly puzzled at how to take a picture of my phone with my phone (and never really remembered it can take a screen shot)

:D That is J's phone though, and her hand holding it.
Griff • Aug 12, 2020 3:15 pm
😂 What is your charging situation?
Undertoad • Aug 12, 2020 3:24 pm
I have a 120v that is close enough to the car, which is all I have used so far (excepting Superchargers). It does charge 4-5 miles per hour so it's more than enough for my regular commute. (I expect that charging speed to drop in winter though.) If I ever need faster juice, I can run an extension cord from the dryer's 240v/30 amp that will charge at 22 miles per hour. But that has to run out a window, so it's not a permanent solution.

The 10 foot extension cord to carry 30 amps was $75. srs bsns
Griff • Aug 12, 2020 5:28 pm
Now you need the solar roof and powerwall!
Undertoad • Aug 12, 2020 5:51 pm
Right! But first I need to own a house to put the roof on.
Griff • Aug 12, 2020 6:54 pm
Order of operations issue. :)

I have a friend who built off the grid a few years ago. He spends time on battery maintenance. A plug and play solution is much more attractive to me.
Undertoad • Aug 12, 2020 8:06 pm
Hmm, there would be less sun available in VT or northern NY... better move south
Clodfobble • Aug 12, 2020 9:59 pm
Elon Musk's solar roofing tiles are pretty attractive. Haven't looked lately at the overall price/viability, but I assume it's just a matter of time.
Undertoad • Aug 12, 2020 10:13 pm
xoB pointed out to me that our state has a rebate program. I had forgotten. It took several tries to get the documentation right but I will get back $750 from the state.

xoB is a fine gentleman. I promise to use these funds only for good, and not for evil.
tw • Aug 12, 2020 11:11 pm
From The Economist of 30 Jul 2020:
To provide buyers with some peace of mind, carmakers guarantee their batteries, typically for eight years or around 200,000 km. Producers are now, though, planning to go much further than that, with the launch of “million mile” batteries.
American law says batteries must last 100,000 miles. This is accomplished by not letting batteries discharge too much. By not charging too fast. And by charging and operating most often at temperatures closer to 50 degrees F.

To be able to charge on a 90 degree F day, I can only assume a Tesla has some sort of battery cooling system.
The lithium-ion (Li-ion) batteries which power electric cars age in two ways: with time and with use. Battery-makers call time-dependent ageing “calendar ageing”. It is a consequence of the gradaul degradation of some of the materials employed in battery construction. This degradation reduces a battery’s ability to hold a charge—though even here it is possible to ameliorate the problem to a certain extent. Leaving a car with a fully rather than partly charged battery, for example, can increase the rate of calendar ageing. ...

Each cycle of discharge and recharge takes its toll. Lithium is so highly reactive that stopping it getting tied up in other chemical compounds while a battery is in use is hard. Even a small amount of diversion per cycle adds up, reducing the amount of the element available to store energy. On top of this, changing up faster than ions can be absorbed by the anode may result in a layer of lithium “plating” building up on the anode’s surface, reducing its storage capacity.

Plating becomes yet more of a problem if it leads to the development of structurs called dendrites. These are small, finger-like fibres which project into the electrolyte from points on the anode where plating is especially elevated. If a dendrite reaches the cathode the battery will short-circuit, causing it to heat up rapidly and possibly catch fire. ...

Once a battery’s capacity falls below 80% of its starting value, it is generally thought no longer suitable for use in vehicles. Some reckon that, on average, Li-ion battteries lose 2% of their capacity a yaer. This may not seem much, but by the time a vehicle is six years old it could mean it is halfway through its useful life.


Most of the article recites GM claims. As if GM is well ahead of everyone else with its Ultium batteries. Production starts in Ohio next year.
Elon Musk has hinted that Tesla, a Californian maker of electric vehilces of which he is boss, has a million-mile battery in the works. Rumours suggest this could be unveiled in September.

Plans are afoot to let electric-vehicle ownrs connect their jalopies to the grid in a way that will store surplus electricity generated in times of plenty by wind and sunshine and release it during hours of peak demand, with the owner collecting a fee for doing so. That means these grid-buffering vehicles will be racking up lots of charging cycles even when they are not moving.
Undertoad • Aug 12, 2020 11:40 pm
On owner forums, it's widely held that charging to 80% is ideal practice, but charging to 90% regularly is fine, along with an occasional charge to 99-100% to go on longer trips.

Battery retention:

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Griff • Aug 13, 2020 7:07 am
Undertoad;1056425 wrote:
Hmm, there would be less sun available in VT or northern NY... better move south


Yeah, no I'm staying in Union territory. :) Mostly for the snow. Wind is also an option, I'm seeing a fair amount of solar even in less than ideal places. It must be getting cheap enough for that.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 13, 2020 10:37 am
That's one of those it's getting cheaper but also getting better.
If you pull the trigger now will the price drop next month? Maybe even a big jump in efficiency next month.
Gromitspapa • Sep 3, 2020 3:09 pm
Good choice! I've had a Volt and Volvo S60 T8, currently an Audi e-tron. I drove the Model 3 and was really impressed (I've been in the car business for 30 years). I held off on getting one because at first they didn't lease them. Now they lease them, but the payments are high plus you can't buy it out of the lease, so I'll just purchase one instead. It should arrive in 2-3 weeks.

- I might be wrong, but I think it's cheaper to charge on 220, but then you have the cost of upgrading. I'm sure you did, but make sure your extension cord usage is safe.
- under those hubcaps are some nice wheels. You'll need to buy a center cap/lug nut cover kit for $40-50 if you want it to look nice.

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I'll probably get this wood kit. Lots of stuff on this website:

https://www.rpmtesla.com/collections/model-3-interior-parts/products/model-3-y-open-pore-wood-veneer-center-console-overlay-229
Undertoad • Sep 3, 2020 3:58 pm
Awesome sir !! After 2000 miles I'm still like a little kid with it, making up reasons to drive places.

That car ^ has the chrome delete kit, which makes it look really amazing.

I actually bought the lug cover kit, but I haven't taken off the aero covers yet. They save a lot of range and so it's this weird balance between saving range and looking really cool.

At my current place, I'm limited, because it's a rental. I could ask the landlord to install a charger, or more likely an external 240v outlet, but I'd have to make a deal of some kind with him. For 120v charging, I made sure to buy the highest quality 12 gauge cord, as short as necessary.

For the first week of ownership, I had an old 100 foot extension cable to use. That only charged at 9 Amps. Once I changed it out for the 25 foot, 12 gauge cable, that improved to 12 Amps.
Gromitspapa • Sep 3, 2020 4:38 pm
Yeah, I guess you lose 3% or range, which doesn't bother me. You must have gotten a long range model- I texted my salesman regarding the software upgrade for faster acceleration, but he said it wasn't available on the standard range plus. Maybe later I hope! The Performance model accelerates really fast and the upgrade gets it just under 3 seconds to 60mph. I'd love it, but it costs a ton more.

I heard the chrome delete will soon be an option, so I might just buy a kit instead. There's also a wind noise kit that I'll look at.
glatt • Sep 3, 2020 4:45 pm
When you let the thing go on autopilot, does it obey the speed limit based on its knowledge of the speed limit in that area, or do you have to tell it how fast to go? Does it know to slow down in construction zones, for example?
Undertoad • Sep 3, 2020 6:44 pm
I think it will now default to 5 mph over if you set it? I forget. But I have had it slow down when speed limits change.

BUT you can always override while driving, and set cruise higher; I know I do.

BUT Autosteer will not work over 85 MPH. I have not tried to hit that; I generally won't switch on Autopilot at anything higher than 70, at this point.

It used to only get speed limits from GPS+Open Street Maps, but as of four days ago, it also recognizes speed limit signs.

I wouldn't try it in construction zones, they tell you not to. Here's an interesting story about someone who did:

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/f4fbfu/nav_on_autopilot_construction_worker_and/
Undertoad • Sep 3, 2020 7:06 pm
Oh and yes GP, I did get the long range. It was between the SR with full self-driving and the LR. I picked LR, I may have been wrong.

The question of how good the Full Self Driving will become, and how quickly, is a current fascination. I forget if I said it in the thread, but they are doing a full rewrite of the system, and Musk has it, and has hinted that it's awesome.
Gromitspapa • Sep 28, 2020 10:48 pm
I joined the club today. I need the secret handshake and a bottle of the Musk cologne.

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xoxoxoBruce • Sep 28, 2020 11:25 pm
[SIZE="3"]Good luck with it. :thumb:
I think it's backwards, car should be darker and the wheels should be bright and maybe shiny.
Hmm... I did paint my Corvette white with silver painted wheels.[/SIZE] [SIZE="1"]nevermind.[/SIZE]
monster • Sep 28, 2020 11:26 pm
Name?
Gromitspapa • Sep 29, 2020 12:04 am
I dunno... maybe Zeke? He was a dog I had until a few years ago. He was mostly white with some gray. Be nice to have a namesake.

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xoxoxoBruce • Sep 29, 2020 12:19 am
Yeah but if someone dents your door you're libel to lose control. How dare they dent Zeke!
Gravdigr • Sep 29, 2020 12:26 am
I knew a dog named Zeke when I was about that young lady's age.

Dis be he:

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He was run over by a Chevette. Buckled the roof, the ins company totaled the car.
Griff • Sep 29, 2020 6:50 am
Great looking dog, terrible way to go.
Undertoad • Sep 29, 2020 5:27 pm
Gromit well done. Club membership accepted.

Abstract Ocean has all yer add-ons and extrys. I have bought a screen protector and J says I should get the puddle lights.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 2, 2020 3:01 am
You'll have to fill us in of your "refuelings" on the NH trip.
Undertoad • Oct 2, 2020 8:16 am
Three stops on the way up (Darien CT, Worcester MA, Lincoln NH) because we didn't know if we'd be able to plug in at the airbnb (turned out we could, but we didn't know that). Also I wanted to enter Franconia via the notch, so it was I-93, a slightly longer route. Total of about a hour, partly because the last charger was not as powerful as advertised

Looking at two stops for 30-40 minutes total on the way back (Springfield MA, Darien CT) because I-91, and we can plug in at home

The Darien charger is super-powerful (250kW, "level 3") and at a service plaza right on I-95
Undertoad • Oct 2, 2020 8:27 am
Trip up Mt Washington auto road:

started with 72% battery

arrived at top with 57%

arrived at bottom again with 65%

Only touched the brakes once on the way down. All regenerative braking. For the third of the way at the bottom, all you smell is burning brakes. People don't take seriously the signs telling you to pull over to cool off the brakes...

BTW to everyone, the auto road is about the damn coolest thing you can possibly do, and I highly recommend it. It is stunning to see the scale of the land, to look at all the mountains from atop the highest mountain. I'm putting Pike's Peak on the bucket list, because damn.
glatt • Oct 2, 2020 8:44 am
It's a shame, really, but I have never done that auto road up Washington. I've got tons of pictures of Washington from other locations, and remember hearing the insane weather reports from the top of Mt. Washington every night on my local TV station. They get some insane weather.

Bucket item for sure.
Griff • Oct 2, 2020 8:46 am
How long is that road? That's a lot of draw down. Jets have mission planning software for estimating fuel usage has Elon gone there yet? Put in your proposed route so you know if you'll clear the last mountain.
Undertoad • Oct 2, 2020 9:30 am
It's 7.6 miles and you gain about 4500 feet in altitude. Teslas do not yet take altitude into their estimates, I believe; abetterrouteplanner.com does

A lot of the experience is the drive itself; the road is thin, barely enough to let the oncoming cars pass safely, and a section of it is unpaved. There are no guardrails; there are often boulders to prevent absolute calamity, but the whole time it feels quite dangerous.

You make a turn and suddenly there's a clearing and you are looking at a view that takes your breath away. Suddenly the wild granite peak of Mt Adams next door.
lumberjim • Oct 2, 2020 11:03 am
I wanna go there
Griff • Oct 2, 2020 11:50 am
Harley?
Diaphone Jim • Oct 2, 2020 12:24 pm
Griff;1058905 wrote:
Harley?


Not on the day I go, please.
Griff • Oct 2, 2020 12:58 pm
Maybe rent a Camaro for the day.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 2, 2020 4:10 pm
Thanks for the feedback, UT.

Yes, Mt Washington and Pikes Peak are both rabidly recommended.
You have to keep in mind your experience is largely affected by weather.
It's not like a Museum where you can allocate an afternoon on a set day in your schedule. You may arrive, go right up, and have a great time. But you may have to wait till morning and possibly till the day after tomorrow. So it's good to plan on spending a couple days doing shit in the area and watch for windows in the weather forecasts.
Gromitspapa • Oct 11, 2020 10:31 pm
I found you can format a USB memory stick and have it store dashcam footage and save clips as needed. You can also feed it Sentry mode footage from 3 cameras while the car is parked. I'm not sure if the Sentry mode requires alerting the people outside the car- I'd have some concerns it could provoke vandalism, but I wouldn't mind recording stuff while the car is parked.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 11, 2020 10:51 pm
Try it, set it up to record outside and come back in an hour and see if it tells you you're on candid camera.
Undertoad • Nov 1, 2020 4:38 pm
In the 2nd quarter, we registered one accident for every 4.53 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged. For those driving without Autopilot but with our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 2.27 million miles driven. For those driving without Autopilot and without our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 1.56 million miles driven. By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 479,000 miles.


"In the 3rd quarter, we registered one accident for every 4.59 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged. For those driving without Autopilot but with our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 2.42 million miles driven. For those driving without Autopilot and without our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 1.79 million miles driven. By comparison, NHTSA's most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 479,000 miles."
Diaphone Jim • Nov 2, 2020 11:52 am
Driving a car is quite different from piloting an aircraft.
I think Tesla and other makers should call the devices "autodrivers."

Also, maybe you could find the accident stats for other cars of comparable price and the folks that drive them.
I think safe driving may not be as common among twenty year old drivers with twenty year old Chevys.
glatt • Nov 2, 2020 2:05 pm
Diaphone Jim;1061155 wrote:

Also, maybe you could find the accident stats for other cars of comparable price and the folks that drive them.
I think safe driving may not be as common among twenty year old drivers with twenty year old Chevys.


I think this is probably pretty representative of that particular group.
"For those driving without Autopilot and without our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 1.79 million miles driven"
Undertoad • Nov 2, 2020 2:23 pm
Undertoad;1055534 wrote:
0-60 in 4.4 secs


4.2 secs, via the latest software update. Right now it's unclear whether they improved it, or whether they just changed the rating, after many testers found the 0-60 to be closer to 4.2 under real world conditions.

This means the $2000 "Acceleration Boost" upgrade now takes it to 3.7 seconds, if I ever have 2000 spare dollars just sitting around and I want to go really really really fast.

The "Full Self Driving" upgrade is now $10,000, after they released a new beta version which vastly improved the feature. When I first bought the car, this upgrade was $7,000.
Undertoad • Nov 2, 2020 2:35 pm
The active safety features are pretty great tho

Automatic Emergency Braking: Detects cars or obstacles that the car may impact and applies the brakes accordingly

Front Collision Warning: Warns of impending collisions with slower moving or stationary cars

Side Collision Warning: Warns of potential collisions with obstacles alongside the car

Obstacle Aware Acceleration: Automatically reduces acceleration when an obstacle is detected in front of your car while driving at low speeds

Blind Spot Monitoring: Warns when a car or obstacle is detected when changing lanes

Lane Departure Avoidance: Applies corrective steering to keep your car in the intended lane

Emergency Lane Departure Avoidance: Steers your car back into the driving lane when it detects that your car is departing its lane and there could be a collision
Diaphone Jim • Nov 2, 2020 7:57 pm
"...many testers found the 0-60 to be closer to 4.2 under real world conditions."
Not sure what those conditions might be.
Undertoad • Nov 2, 2020 9:44 pm
i dunno just compared to estimates, people's actual track numbers