Race in America
Is there any evidence of things getting any better?
Yes. Things are much better. This made the news and the cops got in trouble.
Only a few years ago, this would go unnoticed.
I think good quality video in everyone's pocket can help. "Karen" in Central Park was unable to get a guy in trouble...
IIRC, they both had left before the cops got there, so there's no way to know how that would have gone.
Of course this is where photo-shopping could really hurt us. I'm already seeing pictures of the officer at a Trump rally and wearing a hat with a racist slogan. Our divisions are easy targets for bad actors.
Yes. Things are much better. This made the news and the cops got in trouble.
Only a few years ago, this would go unnoticed.
You're right, and this is true, but goddamnit we've only managed to progress to the point where you ge
t fired from your job for LITERALLY MURDERING SOMEONE. You get fired. For murder. That's not getting "in trouble"
You're right, and this is true, but goddamnit we've only managed to progress to the point where you get fired from your job for LITERALLY MURDERING SOMEONE. You get fired. For murder. That's not getting "in trouble"
To be fair, I am trying to avoid consuming much news, because it's not healthy to let so much shit enter your life when you can't do anything about it. So I have only looked at a few headlines on this incident.
That is wise man, I think I need to find some balance in my social media intake. It'll be easier when I get back to work next week.
We finished watching When They See Us about the Central Park Five last night. Now I'm obsessing on race. Media plays such a big role in this. The press ran with the Wilding story which was an early domino in a lot of bad shit in NYC and the country.
One of my High School friends is dealing with the terror of race right now. She adopted two African babies years ago and is raising them in rural NY. The boys are really tall well built middle-schoolers who look like high-schoolers and by all accounts are smart sweet kids. It may not really matter who they are though, it's what they are...
It may not really matter who they are though, it's what they are...
Racism is not only judgement based upon color of skin. Racism is judging anyone on any first impression. An emotion. That conclusion comes from an emotional brain of a child. And not from an adult who is thinking like an adult.
In that event, the suspect was fully handcuffed and walked back to a police car. For some reason he fell to the ground at that car. And then the officer pressed his knee into that black suspect for maybe four minutes. Doing so (for some reason) even with one hand constantly in his pocket. Pressed until (as paramedics speculate) the suspect died. Paramedics never found a pulse.
Racism is not only judgement based upon color of skin.
This is true. There are lots of other cues people take into consideration, even subconsciously when assessing the race of another person. Then, acting on that information without properly considering other pertinent factors, that's racism. Those other cues could be dress or name or zip code, etc. Of course each of us is more than just what can be observed from a distance or through a screen. Race, by itself, is just a social construct. Twist the kaleidoscope a little more one way or the other and the same content displays a different pattern entirely. One Karen's "bushy haired stranger" is another person's friendly fellow birder. Which pattern better fits reality?
Racism is judging anyone on any first impression. An emotion. That conclusion comes from an emotional brain of a child. And not from an adult who is thinking like an adult. --snip
No, tw, no. You're wrong about judging on first impressions. That's prejudice and stereotyping. People judge All. The. Time. It's how we all move through the world. But those among us who glide through on autopilot miss a lot.
Racism is the result of lazy thinking. Thinking is hard, observing and learning should be an ongoing process, *like children do*. They do it because it's fun and interesting. *Adults* who believe they already know what they need to know about a situation or a person, and act in a racist way, they're exhibiting a learned behavior. But they're doing in place of actual learning--just concluding. That's prejudice; prejudging before the pertinent information is known.
Racism is the result of lazy thinking.
Idk, man...I know a lot of people (on both sides of the coin) that work pretty damn hard to be racist/and or take something in an unintended racially charged way.
Racism is the result of lazy thinking. Thinking is hard, observing and learning should be an ongoing process, *like children do*. They do it because it's fun and interesting. *Adults* who believe they already know what they need to know about a situation or a person, and act in a racist way, they're exhibiting a learned behavior.
You have just described how many judgments are made only on height. A cleft lip. Clothes or even and only observing hoes. Whether they talk with a foreign accent. Body odor. Parkinson's disease. Facial expressions. Tourette syndrome. People are judged by all those other '
First Impressions' just like they are judged for their skin color.
Because others are lazy and for many other reasons. All reasons directly traceable to making decisions from an emotional brain. And not waiting to learn facts - that the adult brain needs before it can make any such judgement.
Yes, lazy is one reason why people do not have enough attention span to learn before making judgement. And so we have a president who is a classic racist - who makes all judgments using his 30 second attention span. Just another of many reasons why one judges others only using emotions. And in his case, also due to ego. Another reasons for his racist behavior.
Judging anyone by first impressions is racism. The Don does that constantly - like any good racist always does. No wonder he publically praised the KKK, White Supremacists, and Nazis.
Nobody has any logical reason to believe racism is only about race.
Yes, one may foolishly make that conclusion because race and racism sound so similar. Using another classic thinking error called 'word association'. As if somebody from Hungary must always be hungry. It must be true. Those words sound alike.
Racism has always been about judging others only using first impressions. Why they do can be explained by so many other reasons. Skin color was simply a first and obvious example, so blatant, that millions must die.
Lazy is only one of many reasons why racist judge people only on first impressions.
… Racism is judging anyone on any first impression. ...
… No, tw, no. You're wrong about judging on first impressions. That's prejudice and stereotyping. ...
… Judging anyone by first impressions is racism. ...
Tw said his opinion more times more times than BigV said his. Tw wins, BigV loses and is a poor loser at that for not having thanked tw for teaching him English.
How emotional was he? His knee was in George Floyd's neck for almost
nine minutes. Floyd had stopped displaying signs of life after about four minutes. Clearly was not a threat to anyone. Derek Chauvin's hand were even in his pockets. Floyd was never a threat. That was absolute (maximum) contempt for Floyd.
Contempt is obviously an example of the emotional brain making decisions. If his adult brain was in charge, he would have put Floyd in a police car eight minutes earlier - long after Floyd was fully handcuffed. Or he would have investigated why Floyd was not moving for so many minutes. All that is required by police training. But that requires one to be using the brain of an adult. To be thinking in a logical and responsible manner.
The brain of a child is not capable of thinking logically or responsible. That is where contempt, anger, hate, fear, prejudice, and stereotyping comes from. The job of an adult's brain is to control and restrain a child's brain. Only adults can learn police training. Only adults have mental abilities (the adult brain) to learn that stuff.
Others were also using emotions. Three other officers, if thinking like an adult, would have intervened. They clearly did not even try. That was not a adult acting in an adult manner. They also demonstrated contempt - an emotional decision - for a black man. If acting as an adult, police training would have intervened. But responsibility and logical thought only comes from an adult's brain.
We know from statistics and from police training that those four officers would not have done that had it been a white man. Floyd was not a threat to anyone - as Chauvin clearly demonstrates. He had so much emotional contempt for Floyd as to even leave his hands in his pockets.
Floyd was dead long before those nine minutes. That was not an accident. Or even manslaughter. That was murder directly traceable to emotional decisions (contempt, prejudice, stereotyping) by Chauvin and three peers. An adult who uses emotion to kill someone is, at minimum, second degree murder. If his contempt for Floyd can be proven that massive - that emotional, then that is 1st degree murder.
Four years earlier,
a black man was stopped outside Minneapolis. An officer requested the passenger's license. Castile was not even driving. That black man reached for his wallet. Cop shot him five times. The officer later said a black man was reaching for something. Of course he was - his wallet. He even said so. An emotional officer
knew it was a gun and shot him ... five times. That is not a decision based only in emotions? Of course it is. That is an adult acting like a child.
Those who do not learn what an adult is required to do also love Trump. He openly encourages emotional behavior. The emotional love it when Trump lies daily. Promotes hate. Stereotypes others. Constantly demonstrates prejudiced and insults them. Many adults do not act as adults. They entertain their emotions. A "Me-Me-Me-Me" attitude that even wants to 'wreck shit'.
A child only understands the world in terms of "Me-Me-Me". He does not yet have an adult's brain. So childish as to even believe their rights are more important than their responsibilities.
Only the brain of an adult understands things such as responsibility.
The logical conclusion then is that those accused officers should be tried as children (not adults) and if convicted, placed in juvenile detention until they pass remedial training and testing to verify they have met the standard for being adults. Once accomplished, their records should be sealed so as not to be used against them after they embark on their second chance in life as law abiding/enforcing adult citizens. FMLA should cover the time lost and the police union should cover the expenses at no cost to the taxpayers.
The logical conclusion then is that those accused officers should be tried as children (not adults)
Only children are allowed to act like children. An adult who acts like a child (and violates laws) deserves (and has earned) full rath of the law.
An adult is required to be responsible. That means an adult brain must always control and override the child's brain. That is the law. And essential so that all citizens to have rights.
Can a jury contain adults who will act in an adult manner? Ignore their emotions to see tis crime logically - without prejudice, sympathy, or stereotyping?
That is actually quite hard for many adults. We need only learn from a Mission Accomplished war to see so many who ignored facts and numbers. To feel Saddam had WMDs only because of emotions.
Fake Fox News, like its predecessor Radio Moscow, targets and preaches to adults who still think like children. Adults who act like children (and violate laws) deserve hard time. Adults are not allowed to be irresponsible.
This country protects adults who still think like children. They're considered impaired and not responsible for their actions.
I've already sent my suggestion to the White House and reported your reply to the Dept. of Child Protective Services.
This country protects adults who still think like children.
They are called Trump supporters. Using iconic names such as KKK, Nazis, and White Supremacists. Of course that is why every adult who is still a child needs an AK-47 and a 155 mm howitzer. Since evil black men and other non-Trump supporters are always a threat.
Curious. Moderates don't need all that weaponry. Only adults who are still children do.
… Since evil black men and other non-Trump supporters are always a threat. ...
That's racist.
That's racist.
That's right. You are.
Of course I'm right. You label everyone who would support Trump, before even getting to know anything else about them, based upon just that first impression. That's racist.
It's a terrible time your country is facing at the moment. I would not like to be in it. Apparently other countries are also protesting on behalf of POC in your country and also their own. I'm not sure if it's happening in Australia too. I think all countries have issues with racism though, either against immigrants or indigenous. The issue in America is somewhat different to just about anywhere else due to the origins of most of the people protesting. It's fairly particular to the US. Your Pres is coming off as a complete fuckwit to the rest of the world too, so that's got to make it harder. I hope the Dems make it past the post at the end of the year. God forbid Trump gets another bite at the cherry.
Trump is mostly expendable now. Some elected him for his tactical value in curbing immigration in various ways and may vote for him again despite the mediocre job he did (he didn't get the wall built) since there's the rest of the conservative agenda too.
For those of us playing the long game, any Republican would have done in the last election: it just happened to end up being Trump. The strategic objective was to elect whoever could get a conservative majority on the US Supreme court. That keeps liberal justices from appeasing simple majorities by reinterpreting (spinning) the US Constitution to effect change; thus, bypassing the 2/3 majority needed to effect change by changing the Constitution.
The tradeoff of having President Trump for four years to get a lifetime Supreme Court that's resistant to the whims of political correctness was a bargain with the devil; but, it worked. That having been accomplished, the next President can be elected for entirely different reasons.
It was an interesting bet, wouldn't be sure that Trump hasn't created a firmer resolve in the left and while alienating the center. Since the court packing was partly done by denying Obama a seat to fill, the impeachment of Kavanaugh and a followup court packing could be in play. Court packing probably won't happen under Biden but a block of national healthcare probably leads to a radical takeover of the Party.
On race, my daughters college roommate 130 pounds of pretty meek gay poet let his Jesuit social conscience off leash. He stood between POC and the Philly Cops. His white privilege card was apparently revoked automatically. The ER sent him home so apparently no skull fracture, but concussion and bleeding.
The tradeoff of having President Trump for four years to get a lifetime Supreme Court that's resistant to the whims of political correctness was a bargain with the devil; but, it worked.
He openly admits he loves damage done to America - socially, economically, internationally, politically, financially, militarily, and scientifically. He even loves it that Kim has been openly permitted to expand his nuclear arsenal. That Kurds were ethnically cleansed. That right wing wacko Likud and Israel will now steal the West Bank. That Trump only praises despots and dictators. Sexobon wants to 'wreck shit' as any good extremist wants. Because Fake Fox News, et al can order him what to believe. It appeals to the emotional brain of a child.
It makes him angry (a tantrum) to learn what justified his beliefs.
Sexobon wants to impose extremist beliefs on all. A Supreme Court of moderates is will not do that. He forgets what right wing extremists believe and openly stated on the Supreme Court. Nobody has a right to privacy. It is not in the Constitution. And it would obstruct right wing fascism.
A church wants to pack people in worship claiming that is an essential business. Everyone (using the adult brain) knows worshipping a god can be done anywhere at any time - all alone. Nobody need collect. With contempt for the rights and lives of all others (especially nurses and doctors), extremists took their Me-Me-Me demands to the Supreme Court. All extremist justices voted to spread a Coronaviruse onto all others. Fortunately the Chief Justice decided to vote as a patriot - a moderate. So the Governor's edict stands. Their Me-Me-Me needs were obstructed by adults thinking like adults - moderates.
Only emotions need to pack people together to worship any god. They must go to be told what to think. Only right wing extremists say that is essential. Meanwhile, America was founded on a principle that right wing extremists hate. Religion is only a relationship between one man and his god. Nothing more. Religious beliefs are never - as in never - to be imposed upon anyone else. Only right wing extremists disagree. Must pack a Supreme Court with extremists who will even impose their religious beliefs upon all others. Sexobon says this is good. That brainwashing appeals to so many adults who are still children.
Because he wants to wreck shit, he openly loves Trump. And does what Trump does to be popular - cheapshots. Destruction is good because it imposes right wing extremism on all others. It even says (without openly admitting it) that black lives do not matter.
Sexobon invents fables about right vs left wing. In reality, it is only about extremists verse moderates.
Only emotional beliefs matter (which explains his racist beliefs and Trump who promotes them). My rights, my emotions, my needs, my entitlements, my flag, my fears, my bully club, my country right or wrong. Extremist rhetoric also massacred 50,000 servicemen in Vietnam for no purpose. And did same to another 5,000 in Iraq - deja vue Vietnam. Extremists who promoted that Mission Accomplish war still do not apologize for those 5,000 useless deaths. They only will if Fake Fox News tells them to. It is called extremism. We need a Supreme Court that protects fascism.
Me-Me-Me is his philosophy alongside Henry Quirk and UG. Even justifies above cheapshots that exist only to demean. An extremist strategy to gain power (as clearly defined in Hitler's book). Because it does what extremists want - destroy adult thinking. Demean anyone who discusses adult thoughts.
Sexobon will even deny his underlying support of racism - contempt for blacks, immigrants, etc. He will deny his beliefs. Otherwise he must admit to what underpins right wing fascism. Emotional beliefs such as hate and Me-Me-Me. He is so extremist as to even believe immigrants have increased crime. Or that immigrants prosper at his expense. His right wing extremist attitude promoted a massacre of 5,000 American servicemen in Iraq for no purpose. He will not admit but believes Trayvon Martin can be blamed for his own death. Filling a Supreme Court with right wing extremists coincides with racism and fascism. All with contempt for moderates. Who would even promote spreading a pandemic. Confrontation and violence only makes fascist (KKK, White Supremacists, Nazis) more powerful. Those are Sexobon's peers.
He will not read all this. It requires an attention span that extremists do not possess. Also why he loves Trump 'wrecks shit' rhetoric. Extremism only requires 140 characters - a Tweet. No wonder extremist hate it that Twitter now requires one to be honest. That, like moderate Supreme Court justices, obstructs fascism.
His white privilege card was apparently revoked automatically. The ER sent him home so apparently no skull fracture, but concussion and bleeding.
One common factor exists. An underlying psychology exists that cannot be explained at a personal level. Agitation and resulting violence (including looting) starts with the approach or application of a curfew.
A peaceful demonstration was marching from Minneapolis to St Paul. When they got to the border, St Paul police attacked them. Apparently what happened at the Edmund Pettus bridge: an example of how history can repeat when one uses emotions and not adult thinking.
I once took a three day trip with only cops. They would tell me stories. One was a cop who was clearly racist. They told me to watch. He would go into the cafeteria, only see blacks behind the counter, and walk out. He did that. Then watch. He would then decide he was too hungry. And would go back in. He did that too. His peers knew who he was - exactly.
Other cops know who among them are extreme racists. But the system includes people who protect them. Reporting bad apples is not permitted.
So many precinct commanders tried to remove bad apples. But those problems were returned. Decisions at highest levels refused to deal with this problem. So many cops demonstrated exactly who were racists. But the system says they cannot even report it.
What happens when one racist is in a line of cops. Actions of that one racist ends up expanding into violence between all cops and all demonstrators. It only takes a spark.
Chauvin clearly was a bad apple. With 18 previous complaints over 18 years. His partner, Tou Thao, had another six complaints. One was so egregious that the city had to settle out of court for $25,000. Thao even tried to intimidate hospital employees because they were spending too long treating Ferguson's injuries. Thao then trashed Ferguson's prescriptions for injuries that Thao had imposed. Another bad apple who watched as Chauvin murdered Floyd. Because Floyd spent a counterfeit $20 bill.
How does one address this problem - that is widespread all over America?
What we have: "In the final analysis, the riot is the language of the unheard. What is it that American has failed to hear?" Dr Martin Luther King Jr 1967
Sexobon will now post another cheapshot.
The logical conclusion then is that those accused officers should be tried as children (not adults) and if convicted, placed in juvenile detention until they pass remedial training and testing to verify they have met the standard for being adults. Once accomplished, their records should be sealed so as not to be used against them after they embark on their second chance in life as law abiding/enforcing adult citizens. FMLA should cover the time lost and the police union should cover the expenses at no cost to the taxpayers.
So you think murder is just "boys being boys."
Don't feed the troll.
Actively highlight the troll. He demonstrates why riots are occurring.
Months before (early March), police busted into the apartment of an innocent person at 1 AM without even announcing themselves. Since they were not wearing body cameras, little from officer statements can be trusted. They claimed they announced themselves. Facts suggest they are lying. After firing a warning shot at the door, Kenneth Walker was on the phone for two minutes with 911, reporting his girl friend (an EMT) was shot, asking for help, and repeatedly saying he did not know who had busted into his house and fired back. Clearly the Louisville Metro Police did not identify themselves for at least two minutes. And fired into that room through a closed door - a violation.
Why? Because a package, addressed to some other person, was delivered to that address. That justifies a violent raid? He was a black man.
Worse, Walker was charged for two and a half months with a crime. Not any police were charged or even reprimanded. Walker was arrested and charged two months ago for defending himself. Officers should have been wearing body cameras. Did not announce themselves. Clearly did not let Walker know who they were for many minutes. Fired blindly through a closed door. Withheld the 911 tapes for about two months. And only withdrew charges after the FBI starting an investigation about ten days ago. Clearly nobody, even at the highest levels, was being responsible until the Federal Government had to step in.
What does that say about the 'unheard'? Clearly the unheard are saying this remains rampant everywhere in America.
Well the 'powers that be' finally withdrew charges only days after the FBI stepped in. Did they need a riot to eventually admit the obvious? Officers were not even reprimanded for obviously violating procedure.
But too late for America. This is but one example. Police clearly failed to do their job. Reacted by violating what they are trained to do: think before reacting - as any adult must. Since Kenneth Walker is black, that only created more incentives for "the unheard".
Problem openly encouraged by repeated Trump statements (who Sexobon praises). Since Trump encourages what right wing extremists want. So fearful are these extremists that Trump was taken to a secure bunker due to so many demonstrators outside complaining about Trump's racism.
Never forget that he praised Nazis, White Supremacist, and KKK - because that makes him popular. Only right wing wackos like that - and Trump.
Also, don't feed the other troll.
Is there a rail station where trolls are only seen by each other?
Less of a train, more like a trolley.
Interesting piece on BBC News about misinformation about the protests spreading on social media:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52877751So you think murder is just "boys being boys."
I can't believe you fell for that!
You're as gullible as tw; but, your replies are too short to be as entertaining. Thanks for trying anyway.
Well this is what can happen when celebrities decide to make a social or political statement through symbolic actions. They may be experts in the field for which they hold celebrity status; but, they're amateurs at influencing others and don't consider the possible ramifications down the road. Kaepernick knew very well that others would emulate him and that he was fully responsible for providing instruction on how to take a knee safely, including precautions and warnings like: Check to see that somebody's neck isn't on the ground right where you want to kneel AND Don't take knee for more than 2 1/2 minutes just in case you didn't notice that somebody's neck was under it. Celebrities need to be held accountable when they recklessly wield their influence over others to the detriment of public welfare.
Less of a train, more like a trolley.
Good one.
It was an interesting bet, wouldn't be sure that Trump hasn't created a firmer resolve in the left and while alienating the center. ...
I'm an Independent, not registered with either party to vote in the primaries; so, I had to play the hand I was dealt. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I never bet more than I can afford to lose though.
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Four more years of President Trump for you.
Four more years of Ivanka for me.
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Four more years of President Trump for you.
Four more years of Ivanka for me.
And 400 more murders of innocent minority men encouraged by Trump. Sexobon expresses sympathy with Nazis, White Supremacists, KKK, and a scumbag president. He openly admits he approves of the scumbag. Because it will achieve his fascist beliefs - that include hate, racism, economic recession, wasted military lives, loss of international respect, demonstration that result in riots, looting and police violence, fear, a need for more guns, rampant pandemics, and same things that Henry Quirk and Urbane Guerrilla (his peers) also want. He wants to 'wreck shit'. Same technique that Nazis used 90 years ago.
Her name is Melania. He will trade her in, like a used car, for a new one. Sexobon apparently wants what Trump had. Amazing the things that a Trump lover wants.
Sexobon even lies about his political beliefs. He supports right wing extremist Republicans. And admits it. Now suddenly he is not? Lying is how Nazis and Trump also gained power.
Interesting piece on BBC News about misinformation about the protests spreading on social media
Sources that cannot be verified should always be ignored. Since adults must know / confirm facts long before concluding anything. Adults, who are still children, quickly believe anything on social media (or Fake Fox News) that enthralls their emotions. Since emotions are enough to make conclusions.
Social media is how the naive get deceived. Finally Twitter has decided that some Trump lies are so flagrant as to be noted. So Trump immediately threatened revenge. Since Trump needs social media lies to promote himself.
There are some real dangers in assuming yourself immune or fully guarded against the pitfalls of basic human psychology.
Four more years of President Trump for you.
Four more years of Ivanka for me.
… Her name is Melania. He will trade her in, like a used car, for a new one. Sexobon apparently wants what Trump had. Amazing the things that a Trump lover wants. ...
I referred to Ivanka, his daughter, not Melania, his wife.
I've referenced his daughter, Ivanka, several times before.
You're such a dingbat that you don't know the difference between the President's daughter and his wife!
Are they treating you well there at the home? Keeping you safe from looters I hope. At least you don't have to worry about anyone stealing your marbles, they're already long gone. :lol2:
There are some real dangers in assuming yourself immune or fully guarded against the pitfalls of basic human psychology.
Good to reflect on.
You're such a dingbat that you don't know the difference ...
But again, insults and attacks. Curious. A president, that he openly supports, used same violence last night to clear Lafayette Park of peaceful demonstrators. So that he could walk to an Episcopal Church to promote another message of threats and violence.
Just like Sexobon, he never once condemned violent police actions that murdered George Floyd and so many others. He associated massive numbers of peaceful demonstrators nationwide with but a few others who do violence. He threatened Governors with Federal marshal law if they did not do what he wanted - just like a dictator. He never once promoted a message of unity - only promoted dissension and confrontation. He held up a Bible to promote militaristic threats. How strange. He does not even attend church.
Bishop of that church condemned his actions in front of her church. Actions that are consistent with what Sexobon also believes. To 'wreck shit'. Since Trump refuses to acknowledge this escalating standing problem, then Sexobon loves what this scumbag does. It promotes fascist beliefs. Trump even attacks peaceful demonstrators so that he could have a photo op in front of that church.
In 2016 Colin Kaepernick took a knee highlighting constant harassment and violent deaths of innocent black men. What has happened since then? Things have gotten worse. With fascists blaming those black men. And blaming Kaepernick for reporting a truth.
Sexobon cannot defend his hostile political beliefs based in 'wreck shit'. So he limits posts to belittling personal attacks.
The president ordered Lafayette Park to be cleared of peaceful and law abiding demonstrators with an unprovoked tear gas attack. So that he could give a speech of violence and to have a photo op in front of a Church holding a bible. A reporter asked him if it was HIS bible. He replied, "It is a Bible." Of course. Religious symbols are a convenience so that the right wing religious will believe everything he lies about. How convenient. Lying and hate are tools to promote himself. Sexobon approves.
Shooting unarmed black men, such as
this, have been in Baltimore, Miami, Oklahoma City, Phoenix, Louisville, San Francisco, Las Vegas, NYC, Tulsa, Louisiana, Cleveland, Dallas, ... the list is hundreds in the past few years.
In Miami, a black man asks the cop why he shot him. The cops says he does not even know. We know that many adults react emotionally like children. That emotion comes from judging one only on first impressions. Also called racism.
A Rutgers study clearly demonstrate a problem that fascists and other hate groups refuse to admit. 96 per 100,000 black men are killed by police. Compared to 36 per 100,000 for white men. Black lives do matter. One would never know it from Sexobon's denigrating posts that contribute nothing. Or from Trump's speech that also denies reality and belittles others.
A scumbag president repeatedly fires people who contradict his 30 second attention span. His people will (are only permitted) tell him only what he wants to hear. Another extremist, National security adviser Robert O'Brien, recites those lies:
No, I don't think there's systemic racism.
If 1% of police are racist, then systemic racism is massive. If 1% of a population commit crimes, then a crime wave is epidemic.
No problem. Sexobon, who endorses fascist extremism (to impose right wing extremism on everyone else), loves this.
There are some bad cops who are racist. There are cops that maybe don't have the right straining.
So training would have made Archie Bunker no longer a racist? Of course not. But he is not preaching to informed adults. It is only preaching to extremists and racists who promote Trump.
Sexobon will now post another cheapshot. Because he has nothing informed to contribute. Because that is what extremist do (even Nazis did) to obtain power. Because adults, who are still children, admire a bully. Insults are how extremists (the enemy of democracy and moderates) gain power.
Clearly that black man deserved what happened to him (extremist rhetoric). Trump says so. Sexobon says so.
Even peaceful demonstrators at the White House must be attacked. Because they contradict Trump's 30 second attention span and overt racism.
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But again,
No problem.
There ya go. All you needed was a little nap to dispel the grumpiness.
Now that you're feeling better, I'm sure you realize that when I mentioned Trump's daughter Ivanka and you mistook her for Trump's wife Melania, it was a Freudian slip indicating that you've got the hots for Trump's wife. It's understandable that you would like to be close to, someone who is close to, the man who's list you want to get on. It likely stems from using your relationship with your mother to get your father's attention. These feelings you have for Melania may be awkward now; but, don't worry, you'll grow out of them and with maturity come to realize that she wouldn't have you on her list either.
There ya go.
Sexobon has yet to post an honest fact. Says he wants to stuff the Supreme Court with right wing extremist justices who agree with him and Trump. As predicted, Sexobon, who approves of a racist president (and his supporters the KKK, White Supremacists, and Nazis), has nothing useful to contribute.
Cheapshots are the nature of an extremist.
… has nothing useful to contribute.
Well, that's not true. Me and my buddy Joe Biden have worked out a solution to this problem together. Joe says that that African Americans who back President Donald Trump “ain't black”; therefore, all African Americans have to do is back Trump and they won't have to worry about racist police officers anymore.
Well, that's not true. Me and my buddy Joe Biden have worked out a solution to this problem together.
A racist will blame others rather than admit who is the problem. Sexobon does it but again. He believes punching news cameramen in the face, 'wrecking shit', or heavily arms storm troopers is the solution.
He condons hate, lies, and cheapshots that even endorse racism. Who is he? Could be Trump. Could be Sexobon. Not much difference.
My best bud Sexobon does, unfortunately, endorse racism. His other buddy says same.
… Sexobon does it but again. ...
… Who is he? Could be Trump. Could be Sexobon. Not much difference.
Before, you couldn't tell the difference between the President's daughter and his wife.
Now, you can't tell the difference between the President and a dwellar. You poor wrecked soul.*
My best bud Sexobon …
Awww, I can tell that you appreciate these opportunities I've been giving you to ramble on about your lot in life as one of life's biggest losers. Tell you what, I won't put you on my list; but, I'll consider you for the entertainment act at the next White House State Dinner. No promises though.
* See what I did there.
Awww, I can tell that you appreciate these opportunities I've been giving you to ramble on about your lot in life as one of life's biggest losers.
Again he cannot deny he is a racist, a right wing extremist, and a Trump supporter. So he posts more cheapshots. Just like Trump does.
Well, that's not true. Me and my buddy Joe Biden have worked out a solution to this problem together. Joe says that that African Americans who back President Donald Trump “ain't black”; therefore, all African Americans have to do is back Trump and they won't have to worry about racist police officers anymore.
:right:
We're just fortunate race isn't an issue in 'Merica so we can watch these two clowns.
You didn't have anything better to do.
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Also - more broadly about race in America - I am finding Trevor Noah really interesting on the subject. This is a between the scenes answer to a question from the audience about reparations, from last year:
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And this week
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I'm a white man. These stories do not reflect my life experience. But they are absolutely representative of the life experiences of my black step brothers and step father.
This is real.
This is real, despite the fact that *I* didn't live it.
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Well, here's a heartwarming story out of Chicago about police doing it right and giving a black man every chance to not only survive; but, retain his freedom.
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The suspect in a high-speed chase earlier this week now faces first-degree murder charges for the death of a woman who was killed when her vehicle was hit by a Chicago police squad car involved in the pursuit.
Marcel Oliver, 22, is accused of leading Chicago and state police on a two-hour chase across the city Wednesday evening. The 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee authorities say he was driving reached speeds of over 100 mph. …
… In bond court, it was revealed that the Jeep Oliver was allegedly driving was one of 40 vehicles stolen sometime between May 30 and June 1 from a Toyota dealership at 6941 S. Western Ave.
Prosecutors said on June 1, police observation video spotted an individual hanging out the passenger window of the Jeep and firing multiple shots in the direction of a home in the 10400 block of South State Street. ...
… Following the shooting, police put out an alert on the Jeep. On Tuesday, the Jeep was seen near 108th and State streets, and officers pursued the vehicle briefly before terminating the chase.
The next day, the Jeep was seen in a McDonald’s parking lot at 11319 S. Halsted St., with four men inside. A chase began across the South Side, with officers losing sight of the Jeep several times along the way.
Shortly after 9 p.m., the chase resumed with the Jeep getting onto the northbound Dan Ryan Expressway at 87th Street and continuing on the Kennedy Expressway toward O’Hare International Airport, then going south on the Kennedy, prosecutors said.
The Jeep exited the expressway at Irving Park Road and crashed into a vehicle waiting at the stoplight near Keystone Avenue, according to prosecutors. An Illinois State Police trooper approached the Jeep but could not open the driver door because of damage from the crash. The trooper opened the passenger side and had one arm on Oliver, but he escaped and ran east, prosecutors said. …
… At a gas station in the 3900 block of West Irving Park, Oliver got into a sport utility vehicle that had been left running, according to prosecutors. He ordered a 19-year-old woman in the passenger seat out.
Officers and the man who had been driving the SUV attempted to drag Oliver out of the vehicle. A state trooper tased Oliver, but he was able to drive away, heading east on Irving Park, prosecutors said.
A few minutes later, Oliver ran through a red light at the intersection of Irving Park and Ashland Avenue at high speeds, according to prosecutors. A marked CPD squad car with two officers inside was directly behind Oliver, also traveling at a high rate of speed.
The squad car crashed into a Ford Explorer traveling northbound on Ashland. The driver, 37-year-old Guadalupe Francisco-Martinez, was transported to Illinois Masonic Medical Center, where she was pronounced dead.
The squad car spun out and hit the front of a 2005 Hummer, which was stopped at the red light. The driver of the Hummer, a 62-year-old man and two women with him, 29 and 44, were taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital in fair condition.
A 22-year-old officer in the car suffered severe head trauma and remains heavily sedated at the hospital, according to prosecutors. The second officer, 25, underwent surgery for a broken femur and is being treated for lung damage. As of Saturday, both remain in serious condition, prosecutors said.
Oliver got onto Lake Shore Drive, and another police unit spotted his SUV near Roosevelt Road and Columbus Drive. The officers followed the SUV all the way to a parking lot near 108 W. 23rd St. This lot has only one entrance, and Oliver then turned his car around to face two CPD squad cars. Officers ordered Oliver out of the car and broke the windows of the vehicle in an effort to remove him, prosecutors said.
Oliver again drove away, allegedly hitting one of the unoccupied CPD squad cars as he fled. He drove onto railroad tracks in the 3900 block of South Morgan Street, where the SUV got stuck. Prosecutors said Oliver then ran.
Around 10:15 p.m. near 815 W. Pershing Road, Oliver was found trapped in barbed wire atop the fencing of a truck yard, according to prosecutors.
Oliver was taken into custody and brought to the University of Chicago Medical Center for injuries from the barbed wire and for treatment of a gunshot wound from two weeks earlier, prosecutors said. ...
The police showed restraint, so much so that they can now be replaced by barbed wire.
Police not being racist shits really shouldn't be noteworthy
Being the first to... is noteworthy. Being the first black person to do same..., being the first Hispanic to do same..., being the first Asian to do same... etc. shouldn't be noteworthy; but, it is.
Looks like his trousers are down.
I'm guessing he can't lift himself to pull them up further.
Looks like his trousers are down.
But again, the irrelevant is cited to avoid an obvious and major problem. Widespread racism exists even among some repeat posters in the Cellar. They routinely support Trump. Refuse to admit that Trump supporters include the KKK, White Supremacists, and Nazis. Even demonstrated in Franklin Twp NJ. They want to 'wreck shit'.
A racist will ignore those damning pictures to again admire and support Trump. Both his overt racist beliefs and his 30 second attention span.
Notice how those two obvious characteristics of the Don are not disputed - because they cannot be disputed. So cheapshots and irrelevant posts exist.
Al Capone would envy how Trump can get rich doing tax evasion. Just another item on a list that includes racism, hate, and praising despots.
At least Trump's narrative isn't stuck in a loop like yours.
Ken Nordine tells the future from 1966
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That racist shit is just in the south, amirite?
A pair of lawyers defending their home from a bunch of those dreadful negros walking by. :rolleyes:
Karen has that highly trained well regulated militia look.
Lawyer, huh?
She is brandishing while he is holding.
I wonder if she bothered to read the law about brandishing for her location. Bad lawyer. If anyone pressed charges against her, she would risk being disbarred, even if she got out of the charges.
They're violating a majority of basic gun safety rules.
The 12 Golden rules for Safe Gun Handling
Always treat the gun as loaded.
Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
Always keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
Always keep the gun unloaded until you are ready to use it.
Never point the gun at anything you don't intend to destroy.
Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
Learn the mechanical and handling characteristics of the gun you are using.
Always use proper Ammunition.
Be sure the barrel is clear of obstructions before loading and shooting.
If your gun fails to fire when the trigger is pulled, hold your shooting position for several seconds; then with the muzzle pointed in a safe direction, carefully unload the gun.
Don't rely on the gun's safety to keep it from firing.
Be aware of your surroundings when handling guns so you don't trip or lose your balance and accidentally point and/or fire the gun at anyone or anything.
https://www.washingtongunlaw.com/12-golden-rules
Shooting barefoot must be some kind of fad there.
They could've been charged with manslaughter if any of the protesters had died laughing.
Probably will drum up business for their law firm...
Probably will [strike]drum[/strike]Trump up business for their law firm...
They look ridiculous
Its like the apocalypse in stupidville
Probably will Drumpf up business for their law firm...
Karen has that highly trained well regulated militia look.
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These girls are twins.
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Yes, born at the same time to an Irish decent father and half Jamaican mother.
I think most people would see one white girl and one light skinned black girl.
Good thing they were in England, in Alabama they couldn't drink from the same water fountain.
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Woman in a van with four girls ages 6 to 17 looking for a nail salon on Sunday morning gets pulled over by the cops in a Denver, CO suburb. The girls were ordered out of the van and facedown on the pavement at gunpoint. The 12 and 17 year olds were handcuffed. Take that dangerous criminals.
Why were they pulled over? Because the COLORADO automobile license plate has the same numbers as a reported stolen motorcycle with a MONTANA motorcycle license plate.
This is absolute bullshit, the cops are out of control.
Hire stupid people to be your cops, this is what you get.
a few bad apples...
They are called bad oranges in FL. It is what the state does best.
What pisses me off is that people always use that phrase (the ones who employ it seriously) but miss off the rest of the saying:
A few bad apples spoil the bunch.
If you don't have your AR-15, you won't be able to do like lawyers do. And just as certainly, you won't improve on it either. And your situation will be dreadful if the rioters mostly peacefully kick your door in.
Which didn't happen at the lawyers' house. That's stupid? Or nearer to smart?
And your situation will be dreadful if the rioters mostly peacefully kick your door in.
Which didn't happen at the lawyers' house. That's stupid? Or nearer to smart?
There were no rioters near the lawyers house, just demonstrators passing by on the sidewalk on there way to somewhere else. Going out to provoke a confrontation is stupid, especially the wife waving the hand gun.:facepalm:
And a confrontation was precisely the thing they did not provoke: exposed arms are confrontation suppressers. It's definitely under the heading of "confrontation" if there are shots fired, which there were not. I do not recall any shouting being done.
No, I'm more with them -- pieces of work that they are, and not exactly at one with their weapons either -- than against. This time.
exposed arms are confrontation suppressers.
First thing they teach in hostage negotiations - always deescalate the situation by carrying a big gun
...exposed arms are confrontation suppressers.
Tell that to the armed protester in Austin who was reflexively shot (and killed) in a panic by another armed person who was harassing the protesters. It's ironic, but most Second Amendment nuts always envision themselves as the only armed person. They lionize the "good guy with a gun" and completely forget the inevitable "stupid guy with a gun." And FAR more average people are stupid, as opposed to bad.
Take up the discussion with -- i.e., tell that to -- a policeman. He wears a pistol most of each day and durn near all the week. You gonna tell me people start fights with the officer because he shows up wearing a holster?
Honestly, Fobble: you don't know a damned thing about guns, and less than zero about gun culture both inside and outside of law enforcement -- and you presume to lecture me? There's no shame in being guided by people who know more about something than you do. I'd know you *do* know a damned thing about guns once you start sounding like me.
It is highly non-intelligent to cultivate defenselessness. Never do the non-intelligent thing.
I've met a few people whose emotional makeup -- well, doesn't suit keeping arms, and they can honestly say so, and specify why. Speaking for themselves. I carefully avoid speaking for them. The anti-gun set can hardly be described as careful about that, so hurried are they in describing keepers of killing-tools as stupid or bitter -- as a universal thing.
My concern is less with long-time gun enthusiasts than with newly armed folks who've self radicalized right or left showing up armed and incompetent with a belly full of anger. In terms of local threats, here in hillbilly country, I'm concerned about folks who think it's bugaloo time hoarding ammo. I'm sure urbanites have their own concerns. We have a country which seems on the brink of something if each of us doesn't look for ways to de-escalate tensions. I know a lot of gun folks think open carry calms people down, but I don't buy it. I think that it actually causes less competent people to feel forced by circumstances to carry, like Pakistan having a nuke, nobody is really cool with it but Pakistan.
Hmm... you seem to believe the yahoos you decry somehow aren't going to get themselves settled by the rest of the citizenry. This is typical of the antigun and hence anti-rights and anti-republic superstition. If you're not used enough to guns, I can see where you'd be, well, nervous.
Not something I'd do, though. I got past that decades ago; it wasn't always so for me. But then I started reading material more knowledgeable about arms and private arms than Time magazine. Didn't take long to realign my thinking.
Except, I was raised in and live in the gun culture. This was a culture of hunting and home protection not a culture of intimidation.
*Psst*... I was, too. Don't tell UG. Guns were a fixture in not just one but both parents' houses; I was taken to the shooting range multiple times as a pre-teen. My problem's not with responsible gun owners, just with the fact that there is absolutely zero accountability right now in determining who is "responsible" and not an idiot. It's not a hypothetical for me--I have close family with severe, hospitalizable mental illness who should be prevented from purchasing a firearm at all costs. They aren't. It's fucked up.
*shhh* let him have his simple narrative.
*shhh* let him have his simple narrative.
That narrative is how we got Trump. It simply excites and rallies the adults who are still children.
And so one went to a pizza shop liberated children from the basement of pedophiles. When asked why that pizza shop did not have a basement, he said, "Bad intelligence." He never learned where bad intelligence exists. In the brain of an adult who is still thinking like a child.
...once you start sounding like me.
...aaaand here's your sign.[/Engvall]
Back, back, like the pages in a book...
*shhh* let him have his simple narrative.
You can't; it is never simple.
My concern is less with long-time gun enthusiasts than with newly armed folks who've self radicalized right or left showing up armed and incompetent with a belly full of anger...
My confirmation bias is showing but last nights tragedy-
https://apnews.com/97a0700564fb52d7f664d8de22066f88An amateur news follower breaks out the differences between the left narrative and the right narrative in this event:
https://twitter.com/shaunjcammack/status/1298722815349149699It would appear that we are fucked.
So what did the moderates say. Oh. This is social media. There are no moderates. That would be too honest.
It's supposed to be a standard tactical move of the Left to create chaos and destruction, the better to provoke an overreaction from the government, the police. In Kenosha, looks like the overreaction (if any, for a case for it being self-defense is emerging) is civilian, not authority... bad news for the Marxists, they're fumbling.
That and there's report coming that there's some kind of division of labor there: the rioters are white, the looters are black.
It's also the revolution's next tactical step, having created a deteriorating situation, to push the idea that they alone can get us out of it. "Put us in charge, and this'll be the last Kristallnacht."
It's supposed to be a standard tactical move of the Left to create chaos and destruction, ...
That's what the Central Committee of fascists on Fox News ordered you to believe. History says fascist obtain total control - ie Nazi party - by creating chaos and destruction.
Oh. That contradicts what the Central Committee ordered us to believe. So we just ignore it. Also what fascists do to destroy Democratic governments. Ignore any history that exposes lies.
How curious. A president loved by American fascists, racists, and Nazis is Trump. Do what brainwashed Americans would do. Ignore it and deny it. Fox News will teach us how to think.
After all, it also proved Saddam had WMDs.
As near as I can figure his latest childlike gabble, tw remains blissfully ignorant that fascist and communist are both of the Left. Think about them. There are no substantive differences to be found. Adolf and company borrowed a leaf from Vladimir and company's handbook. In Germany and in Russia, it worked.
You don't know your political science, kid.
"I take it as a personal insult that people think I've had a 37-year friendship with a racist," [Herschel] Walker said. "People that think that don't know what they're talking about."
Walker expanded on his point, adding, "Growing up in the deep South, I've seen racism up close. I know what it is. And it isn't Donald Trump."
How many other falsehoods are the Dems wedded to?
How inflationary are the Dems?
"Some people don't like [Trump's] style, the way he knocks down obstacles that get in the way of his goal. People on the opposing team didn't like when I ran over them, either -- but that's how you get the job done." Particularly in the face of the constant, tedious, tendentious attacks, which all amount to iterations on "He's
not our kind, dear." The sentiment demonstrates the gripers do not understand that this is Trump's most valuable trait, and the one most desired by the electorate: he's
not their kind.As near as I can figure his latest childlike gabble, tw remains blissfully ignorant that fascist and communist are both of the Left. Think about them. There are no substantive differences to be found. Adolf and company borrowed a leaf from Vladimir and company's handbook. In Germany and in Russia, it worked.
You don't know your political science, kid.
This is false. I prefer this guys take. Remember that fascists were pro-business, anti-union, anti-intellectual, law and order types, who in Italy anyway cloaked themselves in the Church. There are authoritarians all over the political spectrum but conservatives need to be as wary of fascism as liberals are of communism.
Look at how they governed to see where they are on the spectrum.
https://pseudoerasmus.com/2015/05/03/fascism-left-or-right/
Since fascism was always a kind of pseudo-ideology made on the fly, without a long history of thought and debate like socialism, it’s wrong-headed to infer “what they really were” from the Italian fascists’ platform in 1919, or the fact that Hitler called his party “(National) Socialist German Workers Party”, or even from their electoral strategy.
To say that fascism is an extremism of the political right, as defined in historical terms, is reasonable for the following reasons :
All actually-existed fascist states practised business-friendly economic policies, even if they were not ideologically laissez-faire. They could have easily done otherwise — this was after all the 1930s, the heyday and apogee of socialism as an ideology. But no fascist in power even contemplated taking the Soviet route of destroying the capital- and land-owning classes.
All actually-existed fascist states repressed labour unions, socialists, and communists. Despite the worker-friendly rhetoric of fascists, they in actual power regimented labour in such a way as to please any strike-breaking capitalist of the 19th century. The Nazis, for example, forced workers into a single state-controlled trades union (DAF), which controlled wage growth and prevented striking and wage arbitration. Businesses (some, not even most), by contrast, were given incentives to consolidate into Morgan-style industrial trusts as shareholers and engage in contractual relations as monopolists or near-monopolists with other trusts and with the state.
Communists have a demonstrated record of erasing traditional society root and branch — exterminating aristocrats, industrialists, landowners, priests, kulaks, etc. Fascists in actual power, despite their modernist reputation, seem almost traditional in comparison. In Mussolini’s Italy, the king, the titled nobility, the church, the industrialists, the landholders, and the mafia slept soundly at night. The chief innovation of fascism was not really in political economy, but in political community.
Self-proclaimed fascist parties in Europe in the 1920s and 1930s pinched their votes from the middle-class and conservative parties, not primarily from the socialists and the communists to whom their traditional constituencies (urban workers) mostly remained loyal. In Germany’s election of 1932, the Social Democrats and the Communists maintained their usual proportion of the combined vote (~35%), but the other traditional parties were substantially weakened, even hollowed out, with only the Catholic Zentrum maintaining double-digit strength (~12%).
Big business interests either were strong supporters of the fascists once in power, or (in some countries) had backed them well before their seizure of power.
Fascists fetishised law & order, and made a cult out of the armed forces.
Amongst observers in non-fascist countries, it was conservatives and businessmen, not progressives, who were the most numerous to express admiration for the fascists. There were a few prominent socialists like H G Wells who applauded some aspects of Mussolini’s regime, but these were mostly amongst intellectual kooks, and their significance pales in comparison to the conservative reaction which varied from enthusiastic approval of a bulwark against communism to benign indifference.
Other self-proclaimed fascists — those who took their inspiration from Hitler and Mussolini in the 1930s — were unambiguously conservative in the unambiguously traditional sense, without the “modernist” touches which set Hitler and Mussolini apart. If I had to use three words to describe Franco, the best ones would be “God, Country, Property”.
The Nazis were sui generis and idiosyncratic, an outlier amongst fascists, and perhaps they really shouldn’t be pegged into the left-right spectrum. But if they had to be, their political economy was clearly capitalist and therefore clearly distant from revolutionary or egalitarian socialism.
Actual fascists who came to power behaved in a similarly labour-repressive, business-friendly, violently antisocialist way, albeit with national variations. Why were they so unanimous in their hysterical hatred of communists and socialists ? Could it have been that there was some “ideological space” for property and capitalism amongst fascists, albeit not well articulated theoretically ?
In the 1920s British conservatives generally approved of Mussolini, and liberals and socialists generally criticised him. I don’t mean that conservatives wanted fascism in Britain, but they thought it was an effective antidote to communism, admired fascist law & order, and found in it a healthy example of national pride. Of course Churchill was an early admirer of Mussolini and remained one until the early 1930s, and he took the nationalist side in the Spanish civil war.
It's supposed to be a standard tactical move of the Left to create chaos and destruction, the better to provoke an overreaction from the government, the police. In Kenosha, looks like the overreaction (if any, for a case for it being self-defense is emerging) is civilian, not authority... bad news for the Marxists, they're fumbling.
That and there's report coming that there's some kind of division of labor there: the rioters are white, the looters are black.
It's also the revolution's next tactical step, having created a deteriorating situation, to push the idea that they alone can get us out of it. "Put us in charge, and this'll be the last Kristallnacht."
What color are the murdering militia wannabes?
Racist as fuck.
Looks like his people have heard and heeded his clarion call:
This is another thread that's been a long time coming. Goodness knows, there's a superabundance of material.
Today, Trump said that Hillary Clinton becoming President would be bad, and there's nothing you can do about it.
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"By the way, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks. Although, the Second Amendment people, maybe there is. I don't know."
He's implying that the assassination of Hillary Clinton is an option to keep her from becoming President.
Jesus Fucking Christ.
He'll walk this one back too, just like all the others. "Oh, I was just being sarcastic." Bullshit. He's a menace. There are lots of people who won't read that as sarcasm. Hell, *I* don't read it as sarcasm. It's incitement.[/QUOTE]
It bothers me that even if all the people get off their lazy asses and Trump gets only 25% of the vote, he'll be out but the trouble he's caused won't go away.
We'll still have Qanon, and the preppers, and the Nazis of every stripe, plus the clueless like UG to contend with. We'll still be suffering with stacked courts, a useless congress, and crumbling infrastructure. We'll also have less trustworthy allies or even respect overseas.
Oh, and tens of thousands of pork slaughterhouses without meat inspectors. :facepalm:
how will we ever survive like we did five years ago
all that stuff existed back then
after 2 terms of obama
and will exist again in five years after trump is gone
it's almost like who the potus is doesn't really matter all that much to the bigger picture
What did Obama do that needed surviving after?
I'm being coy, I shouldn't do that
shouldn't post at all really never mind
I know what Trump has done (at lest some of it) that needs undoing, which will be a long protracted struggle. How long will it take to stop drilling in the Grand Canyon? The goddamn Cuyahoga river caught fire again! That's how bad it's gotten.
how will we ever survive like we did five years ago
it's almost like who the potus is doesn't really matter all that much to the bigger picture
That was the lesson I drew from Obama, myself. Obama never once got my vote -- he desperately wanted socialism, the lesser way, lesser than capitalism, and
could not get it -- did a lot for gun sales, too, notably rifles of 5.56mm bore and twenty or thirty rounds' magazine capacity. Semiautomatic, too.
he desperately wanted socialism,
From a far right extremist who was told communism and socialism is same. Since he was commanded what to think, that must be the truth.
From a far right extremist who was told communism and socialism is same. Since he was commanded what to think, that must be the truth.
Even a budget-minded Pasty-Faced Basementdweller
(Alba subterranea) like yourself would have a hard time living on any difference -- and you in particular show zero inclination to ever try it. Along with zero inclination to address civil rights and how to get and keep them -- not your strong suit.
I study; you only know how to type, as you were saying for a while.
Reduced liberty is liberty reduced -- were that the case in the late 1970's, you wouldn't be typing on a computer now. Reduce liberty and you reduce innovation. Undertoad could tell you his new car includes no socialist-developed components. Socialist places produce -- Trabants. For innovation, socialism has to parasitize capitalism.
Griff says it appears as if we are fucked.
That was only a week ago and it is even worse today.
I wish I could find some useful ideas in this thread besides that one.
Trump and his ilk cravenly trade on the conditions that our White history has brought to people of color in this country.
Today it is fear, tomorrow it will be panic and humans have never experienced panic in a population fully armed with semi-automatic weapons.
What did Obama do that needed surviving after?
Only the worst crime of all-- trying to give people healthcare.
Trump and his ilk cravenly trade on the conditions that our White history has brought to people of color in this country.
Today it is fear, tomorrow it will be panic and humans have never experienced panic in a population fully armed with semi-automatic weapons.
If you're trying to cheer me up, you're missing the mark.
Carrying the conversation from the Rims thread to here, a more obvious place for it.
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Because nobody talks, they either want to attack with all sorts of off the wall generalizations or rediculous personal accusations. On the other side, sick of defending themselves from the ridiculous bullshit charges of being the problem.
Since when does a book on the NYT best seller list represent more than the authors opinion, and maybe half the people who read it.
Don't equate ignorance with evil intent.
Ignorance is not the same as evil intent, agreed. Beau makes an excellent expansion of this point starting at 6:34. Acknowledging these facts is not a personal attack.
More food for thought, same kitchen. The word "race" does not appear in the video.
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What's the point? If my success is 5% or 95% luck so what? I have no control over that so I'm certainly not taking advantage of anyone, not cheating anyone. It's nothing to feel guilty about. Sometimes I come home from the casino with full pockets and sometimes with empty pockets.
Here's another book on race which I haven't read.
https://www.amazon.com/Caste-Origins-Discontents-Isabel-Wilkerson/dp/0593230256/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=book+caste&qid=1599564092&sr=8-2
I did hear an interview with her though and her thoughts would seem to give people wiggle room on the are you a racist question by casting ;) the whole thing as a caste system where folks are given expected roles which they can break out of if they happen to have the right talents. She was very thoughtful about what this means to a poor white. She mentioned that when MLK visited an untouchables school in India he was introduced as an American untouchable which apparently had quite an impact on him.
She wrote a well received book on the Great Migration a few years ago.
There is no reason you can't be here pissing off extremists on both sides.
“Punish” “prosecute” “go to jail”
Interesting how three crimes identified in the circles have three different consequences that get more specific and severe as the chart goes away from fascists and more toward antifa.
“Punish” the murderers, perhaps by suspending them without pay for a day?
Punishment and prosecution of guilty usually include jail sir despite your consideration of a punishment that doesn't include it
The guy who shot and killed the Trump supporter in Portland had been arrested for bringing a gun to an earlier riot, and
was not prosecuted because the DA was not prosecuting people arrested in those riots
Support for BLM is falling off probably because of the violence
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Support for BLM is falling off probably because of the violence
Many of the protests have been peaceful, however some have descended into violence, clashes with law enforcement and looting. President Trump has repeatedly portrayed the unrest as a product of local Democratic leadership and has claimed that it will only worsen under a Biden administration.
But in the survey, respondents said they trust Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden to handle public safety better than Trump.
Support has fallen off probably due to Trump's incessant propaganda against BLM.
That and the slogan is dumb, "Defund the Police."
Without an explanation it's take away money and get rid of the police.
The reaction is WTF, we need police more than ever.
They'll win no hearts and minds unless they come up with something that can be read quickly and is clear.
Maybe "Kill Whitey".
Just like every community I've ever known, the black community I served in north Philly was divided on cops by age. Older people liked them and wanted them around.
Exactly, they'll never get broad support to get rid of the popo.
Better to say, "Police the Police".
Now subversive labels in the market...
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Made me think, if I saw one would I buy it for the novelty or leave it for others to see. I'm not sure.:confused: