Everything Is Just Peachy
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6548045/Debunked-Response-to-GOP-Memo-1.pdf
November 12, 2019
Debunked: Response to GOP Memo
Numerous witnesses told Congress that President Trump pressed Ukraine to intervene in the upcoming U.S. elections by initiating and public announcing investigations into (1) his political opponent (Biden); and (2) debunked conspiracy theories regarding foreign interference in the 2016 election.
The American people will hear first-hand from these witnesses beginning this week. In an internal memo released publicly today, the GOP makes four main arguments in support of the President. Below are facts that show their arguments are patently false. i got a fiver sayin' the house never has an impeachment vote and that articles of impeachment never get entered into the record
This morning's testimony is damning. Democrats will have no choice but to hold the vote.
This morning's testimony is damning. Democrats will have no choice but to hold the vote.
We'll see.
The dems will absolutely hold the vote. It will pass.
It will then die a miserable death in the senate.
You know how Trump has overtaken the whole GOP and they're all compelled by force to go along with his every whim? What if... they all got a chance to just get rid of him. I don't want to hold out hope that this will happen, but.
As I say: I got a fiver sayin' there'll never be an impeachment vote, never be articles of impeachment entered into the record.
Private message me an address, Toad. I'll mail the cash to you to dispense with as you see fit, if I'm wrong.
Only now the house is using terms like "bribery" and "extortion" rather than "quid pro quo".
Which doesn't sound like backing off to me.
Only now the house is using terms like "bribery" and "extortion" rather than "quid pro quo".
Which doesn't sound like backing off to me.
What it sounds like is 'desperately fishin'. When that doesn't pan out, Schiff and his band will move the goal post again and again and again. They'll keep it kickin' right up to November '20 if they can. But they'll never hold an impeachment vote, never foist up articles.
As I say: I got a fiver sayin' there'll never be an impeachment vote, ...
Do they make a $5000 note?
Do they make a $5000 note?
I ain't doin' five thousand. I'm certain impeachment won't happen, but -- if I'm wrong -- I can't afford to be out that much.
I'll do five bucks.
Can't be made to give a shit. One way, or the other.
It's fun to watch you guys sometimes, though...
Only now the house is using terms like "bribery" and "extortion" rather than "quid pro quo".
Which doesn't sound like backing off to me.
It's more accurate.
It's more accurate.
I agree, but my point was that dems are not walking their actions back.
I agree, but my point was that dems are not walking their actions back.
Well, they can't, not without losin' face.
They're in a hard place: can't move forward, can't fall back.
Well, they can't, not without losin' face.
They're in a hard place: can't move forward, can't fall back.
They can move forward just fine.
They win either way in this situation.
What we need is the dissolution of the Democratic Party -- for its prejudice. Replace them with a pack of assorted Republicans and Libertarians.
The persecution under color of law -- or purportedly so -- is what's known in psychology as a smokescreen. Every barely imaginable excuse is thrown up as a reason, but none of these is the real reason.
The real reason is they're trying to impeach Trump for not being -- well, her name does not pass my lips; not that Mistress of Corruption. This drives all the persecuters' prejudice; they have in aid of their shameful prejudice sucked up *all* the corruption and prejudice in Washington. For the time being, the Republicans can't have any.
Our draconian ("Written in blood, not ink!") Donkey Party solons exhibit a low and insufficiently democratic character. Winning an election fair and square against one of their own, their corrupted own, is no sort of actionable offense, but a tonic to the free Republic.
They can move forward just fine.
They win either way in this situation.
No, they can't.
Movin' forward means impeachin', which they can't do (cuz they got nuthin', sumthin' that would be painfully obvious to everyone once the mess goes senate-side).
Fallin' back means admittin' right now the whole mess is just a horse & pony show, sumthin' that would disappoint the rabid and mebbe cost dems seats.
And my employee sits pretty no matter what, gets another four in the oval.
*shrug*
It is what it is.
No, they can't.
Movin' forward means impeachin', which they can't do (cuz they got nuthin', sumthin' that would be painfully obvious to everyone once the mess goes senate-side).
Fallin' back means admittin' right now the whole mess is just a horse & pony show, sumthin' that would disappoint the rabid and mebbe cost dems seats.
And my employee sits pretty no matter what, gets another four in the oval.
*shrug*
It is what it is.
Absolutely they can. If they push forward and win, they win.
Even if they push forward and lose, they paint the senate as a rigged jury, and they have their base and moderates happy for the 2020 house elections. Which isn't a solid win, but it is better than being viewed as "too timid", which is how Pelosi lost control of the house back in her 2006 tenure.
The only way they can lose is to withdraw the inquiry.
What have they got nothin' of? The subject of the investigation has confessed, multiple times in public.
"Absolutely they can. If they push forward and win, they win."
Which, again, is why they won't proceed to an actual impeachment vote: they can't win, cuz they got nuthin'.
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"The only way they can lose is to withdraw the inquiry."
Oh, they lose no matter what. Press forward, fall back, stand still: they lose.
But, as I say up-thread: we'll see.
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"The subject of the investigation has confessed"
See? It's a Rorschach test again: you say he 'confessed' (to some high crime); I say he's just been doin' his job (and has been open and honest about it). We're seein' what we wanna see.
Even if things play out clear through to the senate and are concluded (one way or the other) we'll still see what we want to (cuz this is a 'political' drama, not a 'legal' one).
He said he didn't do "quid pro quo", he just asked for something in exchange for something. It's not a Rorschach test, it's a question of whether you can use Google translate.
Yep, ask smokin' joe about that: he's proud of how handled them ewe-crane folks.
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"he just asked for something in exchange for something"
That's the opinion of some folks, yeah. The proof of it, well, that's what the hearings are about, yeah?
He said he didn't do "quid pro quo", he just asked for something in exchange for something.
Embezzlement is using company funds to pay for a personal product, gain, or favor. Does it really matter that the
company, this time, is the
government?
He (and his father Fred) have been doing this sort of thing his entire adult life. Only real question: is it flagrant enough (are the crimes broad enough) to justify impeachment?
If you're not intelligibly responding to me, don't quote me. plz thx
If you're not intelligibly responding to me, don't quote me. plz thx
An author has little relevance. A sentence relevant to the topic is quoted.
The quoted sentence is an example of what can be called embezzlement. And an example of how what The Don has always done.
Please only post rational thoughts.
Embezzlement involves money, anything else is just theft.
"please post only rational thoughts"
ha ha! f%ck off, weirdo
Embezzlement involves money, anything else is just theft.
He used public money, structures, and staff for private gain. That is embezzlement. And theft. And conspiracy.
Clearly crimes. But it may not be enough for impeachment.
ha ha! f%ck off, weirdo
Wacko extremist again using his penis for a brain. Using your emotional thought processes and insults - then maybe you might understand how manipulated and demented you are. I doubt it. Your extremist addiction and nasty attitude has been too long.
There is a drug for that.
Maybe you should start a thread and call each of us out on our wacko extremist views, complete with links to our statements.
Extremism in the defense of extremism is not a vice.
Not productive either, although possibly cathartic. ;)
Somebody tell TW that I found them for him...
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Maybe you should start a thread and call each of us out on our wacko extremist views, complete with links to our statements.
If he was really an adult, he would not post insults like a wacko extremist. Adult use reason. He posted his emotions. That is why extremists exist and are so easily brainwashed.
He could learn to address the logic rather than endorse what Trump encourages wackos to do - insult people. But he doesn't.
The Don used public money, structures, and staff for private gain. That is embezzlement. And theft. And conspiracy. That says what he does and why it is both anti-social and criminal. And why it is a violation of Article II Section 1 of the Constitution.
So address the point. Is that criminal activity broad enough to justify impeachment? The wacko, instead, posted insults. Since that is what they are ordered to do.
Gravdigr - another extremist. He also only posts his emotions.
Griff - you tend to do what the extremists here do not. You include reasons why - as any adult would do.
Extremism in the defense of extremism is not a vice.
Said by an extremist to justify his emotions. And so he openly advocated the massacre of 50,000 American servicemen for no purpose in a war justified only by emotions. And in violation of well understood concepts defined some 2500 years previously.
Extremists do not apologize for killing another 5000 in Iraq for no purpose. Otherwise facts that contradicted emotions would be acknowledged.
Back then, a moderate clearly defined what would be a disaster - and said why using well understood military concepts. Because statements were made by also saying why - what moderates do.
And, at no time were insults posted at, for example, UT for ignoring those well understood facts. Moderates need not post insults. Extremist do. And so they love Trump.
Extremists so emotional as to even claim shooting of student at Kent State was justified. Nobody was even investigated for those murders. Extremism justified their extremist actions.
What we need is the dissolution of the Democratic Party -- for its prejudice. Replace them with a pack of assorted Republicans and Libertarians.
Well, that wasn't at all alarming.
Urbane Guerrilla does his very best to be alarming. I find it helps to imagine him wearing a suit of duct-tape-and-foam LARPing armor while making his overwrought proclamations.
Urbane Guerrilla does his very best to be alarming. I find it helps to imagine him wearing a suit of duct-tape-and-foam LARPing armor while making his overwrought proclamations.
While sitting on a polka dot toadstool.
While sitting on a polka dot toadstool.
If it is a toadstool, then those must be warts. Because everyone know toads breed warts. Somebody told me. It must be true.
Said by an extremist to justify his emotions.
I was joking. I would have thought that would have been obvious.
Nope, nothing it obvious, it fits his script or it doesn't. ;)
Gravdigr - another extremist. He also only posts his emotions.
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Only the prejudiced believe that one, tw. You harbor prejudice, and resent a suggestion that not doing so would be enlightened thought. You resent all the decent, embrace all the nasty and immoral.
Which has left you a virgin for life.
Turning to a more general infection of the body politic, we come to our Democratic solons taking counsel of their prejudices. While abandoning shame.
A session of the bastinado may induce shame in them. Or perhaps getting pantsed on the Capitol's steps and getting Public Enema #1. (in a series of 51, in the several States and the District) A great deal of purgation seems called for with these disgraces to the Beltway.
Sterling fellow that I am, I harbor no prejudice. This allows me to give Trump a fair shake. The antiTrumpkins all refuse to, as a matter of not-principle, but in the service of their raw, naked, evil, anti-American prejudices -- which could be a pretext to ship them off to Nicaragua. With only pocket change.
I was joking. I would have thought that would have been obvious.
The joke was obviously on that extremist. I was not joking. He was. And did not even know it.
Sterling fellow that I am, I harbor no prejudice. This allows me to give Trump a fair shake.
Hey Shirley? Joking again? You can do better.
Said by an extremist to justify his emotions. And so he openly advocated the massacre of 50,000 American servicemen for no purpose in a war justified only by emotions. And in violation of well understood concepts defined some 2500 years previously.
Extremists do not apologize for killing another 5000 in Iraq for no purpose. Otherwise facts that contradicted emotions would be acknowledged.
And once, no, twice, again, tw takes up the cudgel for undemocratic tyrannies, for he loves the way of less liberty. This love keeps tw utterly, psychotically immoral, and in fetters to a fascist emotion.
And he thinks, in all penile encephaly, that America is *the* place to be a Fascist in -- and/or a Communist. But a non-free person.
Persons of more sense and less Fascistic emotions, tw, don't buy your argument. You are a slave, and you are only a slave. Except for the part of you that is bad material for an adult relationship, and a puerile whiner against adulthood and liberty.
Less than democracy and a free social order is tolerable to one demographic: the sociopathic. People who disagree with tw like democracy. Those demihuman brownshirts who agree with tw don't.
Hey Shirley? Joking again? You can do better.
I can certainly do even better by voting for Trump this next go-round, can't I? More employment, less Federal impedance to the economy's working, an actual pro-American stance lacked by his two Democrat predecessors, etc.
Remember that you do not have self-respect or
amour-propre, while I do. You have only your prejudices, and the sooner they induce a fatal brain lesion, the happier the Cellar. Remember also that you order the world to offend tw, and injure tw.
Happily, I have more self respect than that.
Well, that wasn't at all alarming.
Those who mistake the Democratic Party for having virtue these days would find it alarming. Those not laboring under that mistake aren't alarmed one bit. The oligarchic road, the divide-and-
rule, heavy emphasis on the latter, of the Donkey Party and the demographics that favor it above all else --
that is alarming. One may avoid much foolishness by not mistaking the Donkey Party for America.
This is the party that nominated, elected, and reelected an anti-American socialist for President, and before him a grifter, and the party whose defective groupthink offered us the Unindicted Felon most lately. It also makes a home for socialists so radical as to be fanatically opposed to... the economy.
Machine politics is very unattractive stuff when you look at the gears whirling. It is the mainstay of the Democrats.
Clodfobble, you need, if you like personal integrity, to revise your adjectives. My pronouncements are liberty-minded. You find that unfashionable, or somehow unacceptable. You're not liberty-minded, and that keeps you from adulthood. I won't tell you not to go there -- too late -- but I can tell you not to stay there. Be liberty-minded and come to admirable manhood -- it doesn't hurt or anything.
Be liberty-minded and come to admirable manhood -- it doesn't hurt or anything.
Oh, I can assure you that coming to manhood would be quite painful for me. I like my tits and bits where they are.
Is anyone else having fun watching Sondland and President Trump throw each other under the bus?
Is anyone else having fun watching Sondland and President Trump throw each other under the bus?
I am. I listen to the hearings on a Baton Rouge NPR outlet as I tool around. It's a wonderful 3 Ring Circus.
I am. I listen to the hearings on a Baton Rouge NPR outlet as I tool around. It's a wonderful 3 Ring Circus.
It's like watching the Titanic back up for another run at the iceberg.
Is anyone else having fun watching Sondland and President Trump throw each other under the bus?
Gordon Sondland under cross:
. . . devastating cross-examination by Rep. Mike Turner, R-Ohio:
Question: If you pull up CNN today, right now, their banner says “Sondland ties Trump to withholding aid.” Is that your testimony today, Ambassador Sondland? Because I don’t think you’re saying that.
Sondland: I’ve said repeatedly, congressman, I was presuming.
Question: So no one heard. Not just the president. Giuliani didn’t tell you. Mulvaney didn’t tell you. Nobody. Pompeo didn’t tell you. Nobody else on this planet told you that Donald Trump was tying aid to these investigations. Is that correct?
Sondland: I think I already testified.
Question: No, answer the question. No one on this planet told you that Donald Trump was tying this aid to the investigation? Because if your answer is yes, then the chairman is wrong. And the headline on CNN is wrong. No one on this planet told you that President Trump was tying aid to investigations. Yes or no?
Sondland: Yes.
Question: So you really have no testimony today that ties President Trump to a scheme to withhold aid from Ukraine in exchange for these investigations.
Sondland: Other than my own presumption.
"Other than my own presumption." The newspaper and network sites are full of this conversation.
Oh, I can assure you that coming to manhood would be quite painful for me. I like my tits and bits where they are.
Fair enough. Be liberty-minded and come to admirableness anyway. Still doesn't hurt.
I'm not here to steer you wrong; you are not being played with nor deceived.
It's like watching the Titanic back up for another run at the iceberg.
More like watchin' a donkey kick at shadows.
More like watchin' a donkey kick at shadows.
Whatever works.
Trump has been doing this corruption all his life. He (like Al Capone) knows he can murder someone on Fifth Ave and still be elected president. He knows how easily his supporters can be ordered what to think.
This president is so ignorant as to even surrender in Syria because Erdogan told him it would be good. Erdogan simple did what others do to manipulate the scumbag. Praise his ego.
It also explains why he believes Putin - who said all 17 American intelligence agencies lied. And why he said it is good and OK for N Korea to continue their missile testing and nuclear bomb manufacturing. He knows his disciples will believe any lie he says.
Even Nixon was never this corrupt. 40% of Americans were so brainwashed as to believe Nixon was honest - right up to the end. How many Americans watched their comrades die uselessly in Vietnam - to protect Nixon's legacy. Dejavue - this time Trump.
If he was honest, then all his people could testify - since there was no crime. He cannot. His entire life has been corrupt. So he must obstruct justice - as he was doing even over 30 years ago with his father Fred.
Anyone who thinks Trump is innocent has been brainwashed for over 30 years. He was always well known in NY for his corruption - and getting away with it. Just like Al Capone - who also tried to hide his tax returns.
Fair enough. Be liberty-minded and come to admirableness anyway. Still doesn't hurt.
I'm not here to steer you wrong; you are not being played with nor deceived.
You're not here for anything but self-fellating--as demonstrated by the fact that this isn't the first time you've been corrected about my gender. You haven't paid an ounce of attention to any other Dwellar on a personal level, and that is why no one will ever buy what you're selling, regardless of what it may be. (Kind of like the knives you used to sell, which I remember because I do pay attention. See how it works? Try not being the center of your own universe for once--I promise, it doesn't hurt.)
Trump has been doing this corruption all his life. He (like Al Capone) knows he can murder someone on Fifth Ave and still be elected president. He knows how easily his supporters can be ordered what to think.
This president is so ignorant as to even surrender in Syria because Erdogan told him it would be good. Erdogan simple did what others do to manipulate the scumbag. Praise his ego.
It also explains why he believes Putin - who said all 17 American intelligence agencies lied. And why he said it is good and OK for N Korea to continue their missile testing and nuclear bomb manufacturing. He knows his disciples will believe any lie he says.
Even Nixon was never this corrupt. 40% of Americans were so brainwashed as to believe Nixon was honest - right up to the end. How many Americans watched their comrades die uselessly in Vietnam - to protect Nixon's legacy. Dejavue - this time Trump.
If he was honest, then all his people could testify - since there was no crime. He cannot. His entire life has been corrupt. So he must obstruct justice - as he was doing even over 30 years ago with his father Fred.
Anyone who thinks Trump is innocent has been brainwashed for over 30 years. He was always well known in NY for his corruption - and getting away with it. Just like Al Capone - who also tried to hide his tax returns.
Most people that are still with Trump - at least in my limited set of data points - are using him as Substitute Jesus in a literal sense, and there is nothing anyone can say or do that will change their mind. It's gone from partisan to religious in nature.
Our Donald
Who art on Twitter
Hallowed be thy tweets
Thy reelection come
Thy rants be done
On the campaign trail
As they are on Twitter
Give us this day
Our daily tweets
And forgive us our fake news
As we forgive those
Who witch hunt against us
And lead us not into deposition
But deliver us from self-incrimination
Omen
… as demonstrated by the fact that this isn't the first time you've been corrected about my gender. ...
You may be coming across as too smart and sophisticated for him to think you could be a woman. Try dumbing it down to being just the nice piece of ass so he can remember you. Those old folks' memories can be tricksy.
Hey, knock off those old folks generalizations. I'm older than any of you and well aware she's a nice piece of ass as well smart and sophisticated. :yesnod:
Our Donald
Who art on Twitter
Hallowed be thy tweets ...
Kudos. But who gets the credit?
HAPPY BELATED IMPEACHMENT DAY EVERYBODY!
How you say, jump the shark?
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That said, there have been times outside of the Civil War when Americans wanted to kill each other over stuff. We are so connected now that it's hard to say whether a spark would be doused or fed. The Tweeter in Chief has had a great run of baiting the left but orange man has also been bad. I would gladly trade Hunter Biden for Trump. Hunter represents the legal corruption that pervades our system and Trump good old fashioned corruption.
“People in D.C. will succeed whether the rest of us succeed or fail. And that message really hit home for many, many Americans,” Yang said. “And unfortunately, the Democratic response seems to be, ‘D.C. is not the problem, Trump is the problem.’”
Putin is all upset in today's press conference. He is blaming the Democrats for attacking his chosen president.
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The end is neigh. Not zombies, not terrorists, suicide of the US and Britain.
We're top dog, the biggest badass, nobody can hurt us but us. Damn fine job we're doing of it too.
This is How a Society Dies
America and Britain are Textbook Examples of a New, Gruesome Phenomenon: Rich Nations Self-Destructing Into Poor Failed States
I don't care because I'm taking you with me. Bwahahahaha
>insert pithy libertarian minarchist response<
Good read. But didn't you hear Bruce? The stock market is doing great!
The stock market goes up like an auction for a limited commodity. It goes up on the absence of bad news but doesn't reflect the economy until that makes the news. The economy is slowing a lot because consumers are worried, and rightly so.
The reports to Wall Street are good because of the shenanigans by corporate officers to hide downturns. Until Celedon laid off 4,000 people last week.
Of course the encouragement to BUY! BUY! has nothing to do with their cut of every transaction. :headshake
The stock market is doing great!
Of course it is. This is still the tail end or an Obama economy.
Meanwhile what happened to those increased tax revenues created by more economic activity due to a tax cut? Tax revenues have fallen now for the past three years. Eventually the economy will have to pay the bills and interest on that fiasco.
Well, Nixon spend money we did not have on Vietnam in 68 and 70. When did the resulting economic downturn occur? Late 70s.
Kennedy's tax cut in the early 60s resulting in a late 60s recession. George Jr's tax cut in early 2000 resulted in a recession when? 2007.
Stagflation could only be cured by a massive interest rates. Paul Volker (who just died) massively increased interest rates in 1979. When did stagflation end? Sometime after 1984 (Reagan's second term).
What affects an economy happened four and more years earlier.
The stock market crashed in 1929. When were the jobs lost? 1933. I should not have to keep repeating well proven history. This is an Obama economy. He spend his first term just undoing the mess created by Cheney. Who bluntly said, "Deficits don't matter." They matter four and more years later.
Tax revenues have fallen now for the past three years.
You might mean, the
size of increase fell. Tax revenues have not fallen. Big difference (
source)
FY 2020 - $3.64 trillion, budgeted.
FY 2019 - $3.44 trillion, estimated.
FY 2018 - $3.33 trillion.
FY 2017 - $3.32 trillion.
FY 2016 - $3.27 trillion.
FY 2015 - $3.25 trillion.
FY 2014 - $3.02 trillion.
FY 2013 - $2.77 trillion.
FY 2012 - $2.45 trillion.
FY 2011 - $2.30 trillion.
FY 2010 - $2.16 trillion.
FY 2009 - $2.10 trillion.
FY 2008 - $2.52 trillion.
FY 2007 - $2.57 trillion.
FY 2006 - $2.4 trillion.
FY 2005 - $2.15 trillion.
FY 2004 - $1.88 trillion.
FY 2003 - $1.72 trillion.
FY 2002 - $1.85 trillion.
FY 2001 - $1.99 trillion.
FY 2000 - $2.03 trillion.
Who's paying all the taxes?
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Kennedy's tax cut in the early 60s resulting in a late 60s recession. George Jr's tax cut in early 2000 resulted in a recession when? 2007.
While I don't disagree with you in principle, in this case, the recession occurred because we let bankers run wild with mortgage bundling.
You might mean, the size of increase fell. Tax revenues have not fallen. Big difference (source)
FY 2020 - $3.64 trillion, budgeted.
FY 2019 - $3.44 trillion, estimated.
FY 2018 - $3.33 trillion.
FY 2017 - $3.32 trillion.
FY 2016 - $3.27 trillion.
FY 2015 - $3.25 trillion.
FY 2014 - $3.02 trillion.
FY 2013 - $2.77 trillion.
FY 2012 - $2.45 trillion.
FY 2011 - $2.30 trillion.
FY 2010 - $2.16 trillion.
FY 2009 - $2.10 trillion.
FY 2008 - $2.52 trillion.
FY 2007 - $2.57 trillion.
FY 2006 - $2.4 trillion.
FY 2005 - $2.15 trillion.
FY 2004 - $1.88 trillion.
FY 2003 - $1.72 trillion.
FY 2002 - $1.85 trillion.
FY 2001 - $1.99 trillion.
FY 2000 - $2.03 trillion.
If we're a trillion in the hole each year, what's 200 billion?
While I don't disagree with you in principle, in this case, the recession occurred because we let bankers run wild with mortgage bundling.
Those money games made things look better for years. Until the ponzi scheme collapsed. Making a recession almost into another great depression.
Mortgage bundling was only one of many techniques that business school graduates were using to make profits where nothing was being created. SIV, CDOs, and plenty of other vehicles were used. In every case, massive profits were appearing on spread sheets where nothing tangible was created.
In the case of mortgages, they simply bundled many mortgages into a financial instrument. Then declared the financial instrument as another equity - as if it had value like real estate, a factory product, or a bridge. Suddenly a $1 mortgage on a house created many financial instruments that were also called a $1 entity. Another ponzi scheme.
When this house of cards collapsed, suddenly liquidity disappeared. Which explains is why TARP was so successful. It provided liquidity so that companies could still pay their employees, et al.
But the recession was coming anyway. Tax cuts are simply another money game to pump heroin into the economy. And then pay for it massively later. Tax cuts have never made a more robust economy. Only innovaton does that.
Worse, throwing money at innovation can even create less innovation. Just another reason why tax cuts end up paying for more European vacations. That is a better return on investment.
So Biden says he will refuse to testify if called to by the Senate. I want all the assholes to testify not just the Republican assholes. I understand that it's just to distract from Trump's nonsense but I'd like it all out there.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-he-wont-comply-with-senate-subpoena-in-trumps-impeachment-trialThe Senate should offer Biden immunity to testify. That way if he still won't testify, It'll look like a cover-up for his son. The next step then, is for the President to grant Biden a pre-emptive pardon (whether he's been charged or not, whether he wants it or not) as the coup de grâce.
So Biden says he will refuse to testify if called to by the Senate. I want all the assholes to testify not just the Republican assholes. I understand that it's just to distract from Trump's nonsense but I'd like it all out there.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-he-wont-comply-with-senate-subpoena-in-trumps-impeachment-trial
So they can have a separate trial if they can manage one. Biden is not a witness.
The Senate should offer Biden immunity to testify. That way if he still won't testify, It'll look like a cover-up for his son. The next step then, is for the President to grant Biden a pre-emptive pardon (whether he's been charged or not, whether he wants it or not) as the coup de grâce.
You have to accept a pardon, because accepting a pardon is an admission of wrongdoing.
I never thought about that, do you have a choice in accepting a pardon or not?
Maybe we don't know because nobody ever has tried to decline a pardon.
If you can't decline, can you appeal it?
So they can have a separate trial if they can manage one. Biden is not a witness.
I believe Trump's defense is that Biden secured Hunter's highly paid pretend job job by pressuring Ukraine, making Biden a legitimate target for investigation. He needs to testify.
Everything points to Hunter's highly paid pretend job being given on the assumption that it would be protection against investigation not a more specific quid pro quo. It is obviously corruption, just the legal kind which we excuse our team for and condemn the other team for.
You have to accept a pardon, because accepting a pardon is an admission of wrongdoing.
Not accepting a pardon doesn't stop the President from granting one whether the person wants it or not. It only stops it from taking effect. A pardon "
carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it." That would be the political value of it whether or not it's accepted.
Not accepting a pardon doesn't stop the President from granting one whether the person wants it or not. It only stops it from taking effect.
If you're in jail and a pardon is issued will they let you stay in jail. Doubt it.
Can you stop your record being expunged? Probably not.
So I'd think it does go into effect like it or not. Of course the damage is done politically so it's really a moot point.
And believe me, I'll take the pardon in a heartbeat. :yesnod:
It has to be accepted and registered with the courts to remain in effect.
Records are not expunged because of a pardon.
Oh ok, I didn't know the details. With all the judges Trump has put on the bench it's not likely his wishes wouldn't be carried out regardless though. :haha:
Everything points to Hunter's highly paid pretend job being given on the assumption that it would be protection against investigation not a more specific quid pro quo.
Or it is a standard BoD method of giving outsiders, who they want cooperation from, by putting one of their people on the board. At that time, new management was trying to eliminate major and well known corruption. It was threatened by the US with loss of business and support if they did not stop corruption.
What better than to put an American, with contacts inside America, on their board. Then someone on their board is reporting back on how the BoDs are trying to and are addressing corruption.
BoDs are routinely paid that kind of money. Many on a BoD because of who they know - contacts that a company needs. If that is corruption, then that defines most major companies in free market economies.
In one company that I am especially familiar with, a retired General was on its board because he was involved with Pentagon operations that were the source of their new contracts. Many Directors are chosen because of who they know and the resulting contacts they bring. In this case, Biden's son was brought in AFTER that Ukrainian energy company had new management that promised to eliminate major corruption.
They wanted Americans to know what they were doing. That they were trying to correct what Amercans had accused them of. Doing so would take many years. But with an American on its board, then Americans would understand they were trying. And contacts would exist to help address that problem.
But again, reality is far more complex then a soundbyte that so many are told to believe. Most believe the soundbyte because it is easier to grasp. Other classic examples include Saddam's WMDs and that Challenger was an accident. Or that Boeing management did not know the 737Max was fundamentally flawed.
It was a conflict of interest to have the son of a US official with influence over the situation sitting on the board and being paid by THEM, not US. He was THEIR mouth, NOT OUR ears. It's not hard for any adult to discern whose interests the guy who was kicked out of the US Navy Reserve*, after testing positive for cocaine, was serving and who he was willing to use to get his paycheck (his father administered his commissioning oath).
*He had to get an age waiver and a previous drug offense waiver to get in.
I never thought about that, do you have a choice in accepting a pardon or not?
Maybe we don't know because nobody ever has tried to decline a pardon.
If you can't decline, can you appeal it?
Pardons can and have been refused.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._WilsonThat's interesting, death for robbing the mail. :confused: And he refused the pardon, I wonder why.
That's interesting, death for robbing the mail. :confused: And he refused the pardon, I wonder why.
Back in Jackson's day, you could get hanged for all manner of shit.
I am guessing that he flat up refused to admit any guilt.
It was a conflict of interest to have the son of a US official with influence over the situation sitting on the board and being paid by THEM, not US.
So if your father is a US President, then you cannot have any job. Conflict of interest.
Even a wife can have a job separate from her husband. That also is not a conflict of interest unless specific evidence and events says a specific conflict exists. If on a BoD, no such conflict exists.
Biden's son is his own man. He was not representing the US government. He was his own man with his own job. He was not even in politics.
A TV show "Blue Bloods" cannot happen? Because the father is Chief of Police, then other family members that are cops or ADA is corruption? That is your reasoning - that only exists in right wing rhetoric.
I am guessing that he flat up refused to admit any guilt.
Suicide by Executioner.
… Biden's son is his own man. He was not representing the US government. He was his own man with his own job. He was not even in politics. ...
Only an adult who still thinks like a child cannot understand that this is about Joe Biden, not Hunter Biden.
… It was threatened by the US with loss of business and support if they did not stop corruption. ...
There existed, as you stated, an adversarial relationship that created a conflict of interest. Hunter Biden has duped Joe Biden before. Joe Biden is a credulous man who should've had the integrity to excuse himself from involvement in the situation and turn it over to someone else while his son was there in an influential capacity. To wit:
Or it is a standard BoD method of giving outsiders, who they want cooperation from, by putting one of their people on the board. ...
Hunter Biden was hired to influence Americans to include Joe Biden by his son's mere presence there. Joe Biden's poor judgement in this and other areas will be his downfall.
Suicide by Executioner.
I've known the kind of people that would take a dive before admitting to something they didn't do.