New York Times reportor's false news affair

I saw the New York Times reporter made false news on paper these days. Many China news paper reported this news. It warned the public to supervise the newspaer. In 2002 one China doctor professor, Wang MingMing was found by one student that he plagiarized other's book. The student read all his book. He found that Wang's book copied one west writer's book that Wang translate into Chinese. Now there are lot of newspaper published. The publishers want to attract readers by anecdotes and strange news. Many of them may be false. What newspaper do we need? What reporters do we need? How the readers should do to protect the society morality?

This wasn't the first time the Times has had a rogue reporter. As bad as it can be, I still prefer it to a state media which doesn't have competitors keeping it honest.

Yeah, God forbid there should be any other inaccurate reporting in our news media.

Originally posted by SteveDallas
Yeah, God forbid there should be any other inaccurate reporting in our news media.

That's why I get all my news from cellar.org, ;)

Why was this rouge NY Times reporter exposed? Not because of actions by top management. IOW this reporter existed so long because the NY Times has a management problem. In an extraordinary open meeting of employees, the employees were outrightly furious. There were too many indications that this reporter was a problem AND employees are not happy with some top NY Times managers. Most NY Times reporters are the best in the business. So why was someone with so many obvious mistakes allowed to keep reporting - instead of using those other better employees?

So aggressive was employee response in that open meeting that top management better be, right now, deciding who in top management created this rogue reporter and address other not well publicized problems in the NY Times.

In the meantime, this problem was exposed by a San Antonio TX newspaper. Therein lies the power of many independent and free press sources. Therein lies the weakness of any "government only" press system. Because top management is the reason for most problems, then the only way to keep top management honest is open competition and other independent sources of facts and products. A free market press. Top management without free market compeition will easily become corrupt. It is the nature of living in the ethersphere - called 'top management'.

NY Times has a few more problems than just one rouge reporter. But none of those problems would be solved if there were no other news reporting organizations such as the San Antonio newspaper.

The problem of free market philosophy is that everyone is doing the same thing - too much redundancy - too much wasted manpower. The power of free markets is that everyone is doing the same thing redunantly. That reporter existed because NY Times management protected his incompetence - until a free market and indpedent press exposed the problem - top management being the fundamental reason.

Posted by Griff
That's why I get all my news from cellar.org,

     On the last thread on this topic, Wolf's 'Journalistic lack of integrity' thread, there was some discussion of news sources. I suggested, and a few people agreed that the Daily Show was the best news source out there. Everyone can decide for themselves if that's a joke or not. :3eye:

Originally posted by tw
So why was someone with so many obvious mistakes allowed to keep reporting - instead of using those other better employees?

A very bad use of Affirmative Action.

Therein lies the power of many independent and free press sources.

Why bother when I can spend my time checking out online porn, the come to the cellar and have ScotSoloman tell the truth. :D

I hope to see the real news.

OK, but what is "real" news? Anything that happens is viewed/ seen/ witnessed by anyone, subject to their perspective. That's why you can have 5 eyewitnesses to something and get at least 3 conflicting accounts. Reporters are just people. Although they should be better trained at being thorough and objective, their own perspective in bound to creep into their reports. Then there's the editors and their perspective, not to mention business pressures. Lastly, if it's reported on TV or radio, you have the voice inflections of the newscaster.
"Real" is relative.:confused:

"Real" is relative.

Yes.

I think the better way to have a relative "real news" is
to have as much as u can , then u can get something "real" from compare.

The better way is that you don't see any news, just see use your eyes. Sometimes your eyes would cheat you.

Interesting point, Billy. Maybe we're all to obsessed with things we can't see. I mean things that are happening way to far away to see ourselves. Example- O.J. Simpson. How many people did that really affect? Damn few. Now I know there are things too far away to see that do affect me. But the hyping media wants me to believe many others do when they simply don't.

Do you like XO wine? Who you have so many XO before your name.

Is that anything like Dog Penis Wine?:confused:

The XO wine is so expensive in China that I have never had and seen it.

It's my understanding that Jayson Blair the New York Times correspondent who's inability to write his own material is now lining up his sorted story for a book deal.

Last Wednesday, he told the New York Observer that his sleazy reporting stunts were intended to destroy himself professionally, so he could save himself personally. Blair told the Observer, “So Jayson Blair the human being could live, Jayson Blair the journalist had to die.

So wheres the incentive to tell the truth if even after going through a professionally humilating experience like this one you can still cash in afterwards? :confused:

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
So wheres the incentive to tell the truth if even after going through a professionally humilating experience like this one you can still cash in afterwards? :confused:

That is worrisome but I don't think he made enough of a splash to warrant a big book deal. Even though I'm interested in the story, I wouldn't buy his book.

I can't remember if it was Newsweek or Time that had him on the front cover this week, but he looked like a pimp in the picture.

For some reason, this whole thing kinda reminds me of an old sketch on SNL..."Colin Quinn explains The New York Times."

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Last Wednesday, he told the New York Observer that his sleazy reporting stunts were intended to destroy himself professionally, so he could save himself personally. Blair told the Observer, “So Jayson Blair the human being could live, Jayson Blair the journalist had to die.

     Um... Couldn't he have just quit?

"It's better to burn out than to fade away."--Neil Young

Besides, if you're going to go down in flames, you might as well do it at a paper with the #3 circulation in the United States, right?

David Vigliano, Mr. Blair's literary agent, told the Observer Mr. Blair's proposal would first be shopped as a film treatment, and then offered as a book.

I wouldn't go buy the book or go see the movie either. But if somebody buys the rights I imagine he is a good as paid. However it is my understanding that Blair is under investigation for fraud by the U.S. Attorney's office. Possibly he could be sent to jail and have to write his book while there and perhaps be forced to donate any proceeds to charity.

Oh well...not the first time it has ever happened and it certainly won't be the last. :) I do have to agree with what Whit said....why not just quit?

It's amazing how in a very short period of time this Asshat has gone from being "the reporter who lied" to a victim of the system.

I was reading an article published about him in which he blames ALL of his problems (including his drug addiction, depression, and compulsive need to plagarize) on the pressures put on him by the white corporate power structure.

Doesn't ANYBODY fucking accept responsibility for themselves anymore? I'm particularly distressed over the "it's all whitey's fault" pronouncements.

Don't buy books by crooks.:shotgun:

Tell that to the folks that made G. Gordon Liddy a best-seller.

I don't don't know if I waste all my time on TV, newspaper... I should come here to chat with you, go out to see.