Sept 22nd, 2018: Fish Bunker

xoxoxoBruce • Sep 21, 2018 11:27 pm
A little south of New Orleans there are concrete bunkers built during WW II for Navy artillery storage.
Now two of them hold 7 million [strike]dead[/strike] preserved fish, the Royal D. Suttkus Fish Collection.
This largest collection in the world, is under the care of Tulane Biodiversity Research Institute.

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It is a small room, maybe the size of a car, but it is the most important room of the institution because it’s where the holotypes and paratypes are kept. “These are the most important specimens because they bear the names, so if there’s any doubt about what a species is, these are what you consult,” Bart says. Here is the famous pocket shark, a small deep-water marine shark found just a few years ago in the Gulf of Mexico—only the second one known to exist in the world. Here is a harelip sucker collected in 1893. It’s been extinct since that year. The tail fins have eroded off, and I can see its brain. Here is the oldest fish in the collection—a shiny minnow collected in Italy in 1838.

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The Royal D. Suttkus Fish Collection was founded in 1950 when the legendary ichthyologist Royal D. Suttkus, who had a hand in collecting over five million of the collection’s fish, joined the faculty at Tulane. The collection was originally housed on the university’s main campus, but by 1968, it had outgrown its space and was moved to its current bunker-home in Belle Chasse, Louisiana.

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In the ichthyology world, the Suttkus Collection is a vital resource. Each year, Bart and his team mail hundreds of preserved fish to ichthyologists around the world, and scientists travel to New Orleans to research the larger fish in person. These researchers are examining relationships between species and discovering new ones, learning new information about the deepest parts of the ocean, and studying the effects of global warming. “Essentially, we are the holders of history,” explains Justin Mann, the collections manager.

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In the bunker that holds the large fish, Mann warns me to stand back before opening a tank the size of a truck bed. The evaporated alcohol from the isopropyl that preserves the fish collects at the top of the tank, and the smell is nearly suffocating at first. Creatures far larger than human bodies lie on top of one another inside.
Kind of like the front door of a frat house on Sunday morning. :haha:

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Clodfobble • Sep 22, 2018 9:48 am
maybe the size of a car


I.e., 1/4,000,000th the size of Wales.
Griff • Sep 22, 2018 9:53 am
Clodfobble;1015600 wrote:
I.e., 1/4,000,000th the size of Wales.


You beat me on speed and precision.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 22, 2018 10:33 am
How big is a car? Unanswerable question.
Clodfobble • Sep 22, 2018 3:01 pm
I averaged it at 100 square feet. Longer than ten feet, but not as wide as ten feet, so... My physics professor always included at least one Fermi Problem on every test.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_problem
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 22, 2018 9:15 pm
What's 100 sq feet? Not a car for sure.
Clodfobble • Sep 23, 2018 12:53 am
On average, it totally is!

"Full-size" cars must be under 80 inches wide, or else the law says they have to have clearance lights.

Average "family cars" are now 4.8 meters in length (up from 4.5 meters in the 1990s.)

80 inches = 6.67 feet wide
4.8 meters = 15.75 feet long

6.67 x 15.75 = 105 square feet (or 98.45 square feet in the 90s.)



I told you, I love Fermi problems.
fargon • Sep 23, 2018 8:11 am
My 2015 Buick Encore: 168″ L x 70″ W x 65″ H, or 14' L x 5.8' W x 5.4' H.
Clodfobble • Sep 23, 2018 9:31 am
Well, height doesn't matter, unless you want to put a roof over Wales and fill it to a certain depth like a ball pit. Which you could totally do.
Griff • Sep 23, 2018 9:34 am
it being so small and plastic being so plentiful.
sexobon • Sep 23, 2018 9:45 am
Sounds like we've found a place to put all the plastic that's going to be removed from the oceans.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 23, 2018 11:15 am
What the fuck does Wales have to do with the size of a car?
sexobon • Sep 23, 2018 11:54 am
Everyone knows that while driving, you're supposed to allow 1/4,000,000th the size of Wales distance between your car and the car in front of you for every 10 mph of speed that you're going. That's the international standard. How it translates into practical application measures such as car lengths depends entirely on the relationship between the fixed size of Wales and the variable size of cars. A typical car length, taking into account length and width restrictions, must be deduced or else the rule of thumb for intervehicle separation (on which your life may depend) becomes less effective.

Sounds like someone needs remedial Driver's Ed. :eyebrow:
Griff • Sep 23, 2018 12:14 pm
I think you wanted to express that in astronomical units? I'm pretty sure the French successfully petitioned for that change.
sexobon • Sep 23, 2018 1:05 pm
I wonder if the Royal D. Suttkus Fish Collection, c/o Tulane Biodiversity Research Institute, has King Oscar in a can.
Clodfobble • Sep 23, 2018 1:06 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1015676 wrote:
What the fuck does Wales have to do with the size of a car?
Spillover from another thread about how we measure things by metaphor. In the UK, apparently everything gets put in terms of "the size of Wales," and the "size of a car" quote above happened to pop up right at the same time, that's all.
sexobon • Sep 23, 2018 1:16 pm
sexobon;1014583 wrote:
[cross threading] … [/cross threading]


Sometimes it helps to use tags.
glatt • Sep 23, 2018 2:20 pm
sexobon;1015680 wrote:
Everyone knows that while driving, you're supposed to allow 1/4,000,000th the size of Wales distance between your car and the car in front of you for every 10 mph of speed that you're going.


What's this 10mph you speak of? Do you mean one sixth the width of Wales per hour?
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 23, 2018 8:57 pm
Clodfobble;1015690 wrote:
Spillover from another thread about how we measure things by metaphor. In the UK, apparently everything gets put in terms of "the size of Wales," and the "size of a car" quote above happened to pop up right at the same time, that's all.

Yeah, I know where it came from, the question was why.
Clodfobble • Sep 23, 2018 9:05 pm
I'd say chronically low inhibitions on my part. That's usually responsible for most of my choices, to be honest.
sexobon • Sep 23, 2018 9:23 pm
glatt;1015695 wrote:
What's this 10mph you speak of? Do you mean one sixth the width of Wales per hour?

Well sure if the vehicle is travelling East/West. If travelling N/S it would be one seventeenth the length of Wales per hour. Anywhere in between and you need an artificial intelligence to determine how fast you're going. I can't afford that. :(
sexobon • Sep 23, 2018 10:13 pm
Clodfobble;1015708 wrote:
I'd say chronically low inhibitions on my part. ...


I'm sorry young lady, you'll have to remain UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION until you can demonstrate this is more of a turn on than a turn off.
Gravdigr • Sep 26, 2018 5:34 am
xoxoxoBruce;1015676 wrote:
What the fuck does Wales have to do with the size of a car?


sexobon;1015680 wrote:
Everyone knows that while driving, you're supposed to allow 1/4,000,000th the size of Wales distance between your car and the car in front of you for every 10 mph of speed that you're going. That's the international standard. How it translates into practical application measures such as car lengths depends entirely on the relationship between the fixed size of Wales and the variable size of cars. A typical car length, taking into account length and width restrictions, must be deduced or else the rule of thumb for intervehicle separation (on which your life may depend) becomes less effective.

Sounds like someone needs remedial Driver's Ed. :eyebrow:


What part don't you get?:eyebrow: It's pretty simple, really...
Gravdigr • Sep 26, 2018 5:35 am
TREADMILL!TREADMILL!TREADMILL!