I come from China.
It was taken in 1998, my first year in University, the Central South University (
www.csu.edu.cn). I often read books in the attic. I yearn the gold time.
I think it is a good way to communicate with worldwide friends. Share good things.
The link is broken. Could you try uploading the picture as an attachment?
I am sorry that I can not use the function. My school link is ok.I tried to click it.
I try it again. I am sorry for my mistake.
I saw the forum from one China web forum. The friend saied that this forum is warm hearted. We can freely and friendly chat with other friends.
We're not war hearted, Billy. We just like your SKS (AK47) rifles.:D
As I was wrongly asking over in the SARS thread, when you go to buy food that is packaged, do you have brands? I mean if you buy a can of beans in the south, does it have the same label in the north?
You are better educated than most people. Will you tell me what you have learned about the USA in school?
What you have learned about the USA from newspapers? TV? Magazines?
What your family and friends have told you about us?
Q: When you go to buy food that is packaged, do you have brands?
A: Now China standardize all products. We pack almost product except fresh vegetable so that customer easily to inspect the quality.
Q: I mean if you buy a can of beans in the south, does it have the same label in the north?
A: The same brand product use the same lable in the whole country. If they use different labels, the customer think they have different quality. They would doubt their brand and don't buyt their things. It save cost to use same lable in marketing.
Q: Will you tell me what you have learned about the USA in school?
A: I learned that the USA, Europe, Japan are strong and powerful. We should learn from them to develop our economy. We should absorb their good things, not shortcomings. Of course, we can not depend on any other country. No one can save us, onlt oursevies.
Q: What you have learned about the USA from newspapers? TV? Magazines?
A: In China I can know many things about the USA but the White House secrets. From the media I know the news. I can see the comments and analysis. We have many media to report outside news and things. The China open to the world.
Q: What your family and friends have told you about us?
A: My families know little about the USA. My university USA professors told me that they like China because that here is quiet and safer than in the USA. So they would live in China for the rest life. My UK friends told me that they don't like the USA because the USA people don't think about thingss, just need answer.
But for me, I think the US and China need communicate each other. The world needs all the people to build. The world would become more beautiful if we love each other as you chat with me.
I suggest that you come China to see the reality,not only believe the media. Sometimes they seal the reality for national profits.
I am glad to chat with you. I think you really want to know China. I will try my best to answer you.Or you email me.
Originally posted by Billy
A: I learned that the USA, Europe, Japan are strong and powerful. We should learn from them to develop our economy. We should absorb their good things, not shortcomings. Of course, we can not depend on any other country. No one can save us, onlt oursevies.
I like that attitude, China is also a powerful nation. Interpreting our shortcomings can be the difficult part. Even here, we recognize the shortcomings but we argue about how to best address them without injuring our strengths.
But for me, I think the US and China need communicate each other. The world needs all the people to build. The world would become more beautiful if we love each other as you chat with me.
Welcome to the Cellar. Its all about different people communicating. :)
Billy, welcome! I have millions of questions. I will start with two:
What do Chinese people think of the history of Mao? In the end, do they think he was a good man or a bad man?
Do you use mostly Microsoft software?
Billy, is that a Nike jacket, you a capitalist running dog?:D
I see Foshan is near Guangzhou (Canton) and in the same part of China as Hong Kong and Macau. Lots of industry and commerce. Warm and wet climate.
How do you feel about Korea, North and South?
Q: What do Chinese people think of the history of Mao? In the end, do they think he was a good man or a bad man?
A: First, I want to tell you that we think Mao as you think Lincoln. He leaded China to go to peaceful country. Or we still live in dark life.
Many elder than me people worship Mao as GOD. His fight made them free and rich.
Young people don't like Mao as elder, but we still like him. Many my friends and classmates really like his book and idea. They can use his idea to guide their life.
There is no one who never do wrong in one's life. So you should justly view someone.
In all, we think he was a great man in China history. I will follow him to join the fight with Japan in Second Worl War if I was live in that age.
Q: Do you use mostly Microsoft software?
A: To be frank, most of us use MS soft. Now I use IE to answer you. Of course, we have many our software. We have WPS office, King software, Linuix...
The MS software is popular, but it is not only one. Not all people like the smae thing in the world. More choice you face, more freedom you get.
Q: Billy, is that a Nike jacket, you a capitalist running dog?
A: xoxoxoBruce, you are a real China fan from what you said this word. Outside clothes and things can not present your soul. Even if you wear Bush clothes, you are still yourself.
In the globalization time, we can not live alone without others' work. If we can not make high quality PC, we should use the resource to make high quality clothes to avoid waste. As you know, in the USA many underwears are made in China. I know maybe you wear China made underwear. As you said, you are one socitalist running dog too.
Although I wear Nike jacket, but my mind and soul is China drgon heart. The blood in my body is Yellow River water.
Q: I see Foshan is near Guangzhou (Canton) and in the same part of China as Hong Kong and Macau. Lots of industry and commerce. Warm and wet climate.
A: We near HK, but I can not freely enter HK. This city is one small, quiet and beautiful city. I like it now.
Q: How do you feel about Korea, North and South?
A: The North and South Korea is one people. I think they would become one in the coming future. Many Korean think it too.
The North Korea have a long life friendship with us. We like them. The south has a economy and culture communication with us now. They need China market and I need their products.
I hope we have a calm and cooperation relation. If Asia is good, the world would be better, is it?
This one was taken in my company new production line installation ceremony.
Originally posted by Billy
Although I wear Nike jacket, but my mind and soul is China drgon heart. The blood in my body is Yellow River water.
Billy, this was quite beautifully said! Very poetic.
I hope we have a calm and cooperation relation. If Asia is good, the world would be better, is it?
Excellent wishes for the world.
Thank you for your affirmation. In my pratical work I often poor write. My conpany is French company. Thomson Foshan is its branch. The USA RCA is its branch too.
I need inprove my English. Hope you help me.
Thanks!
I think most Nike products are made in China. So, if anything, wearing the jacket makes him a Chinese patriot. :)
I'm sorry for asking so many questions, but I'm very curious about your country. Feel free to ask me questions, too. Well, here goes..
Originally posted by Billy
The same brand product use the same lable in the whole country. If they use different labels, the customer think they have different quality.
Are you saying that all food is the exact same quality, no matter who produces it? Isn't it better to be able to buy the best quality food?
Are there companies or corporations in China? Or is it all owned by the government? Is food the only thing that's standardized, or are other products standardized as well?
Originally posted by Billy
In China I can know many things about the USA but the White House secrets. From the media I know the news. I can see the comments and analysis. We have many media to report outside news and things. The China open to the world.
What do you think of the "Great Firewall of China"? Are there any websites that you're unable to visit? I hear that China mostly blocks access to political sites. Do they also censor political books? How do you learn about other forms of government if the government prevents access to information on them?
If you say something against the government, will you be thrown in prison? For example, if you were in a crowded public area and started shouting, "I love democracy! Down with communism!", what would happen? Would it be a reenactment of the 1989 Tianamen Square incident?
What do you think of Falun Gong?
Q: Are you saying that all food is the exact same quality, no matter who produces it? Isn't it better to be able to buy the best quality food?
A: The company control the quality before they are sent to market to assure product class. The package food are made by machine. We don't pack the fresh food. It is very difficult to differentiate the fresh food quality. We only can divide them in different class.
Of course, we all want to buy the best quality. In fact you need think about your buy capacity. There are Sunkist orange in super markets. The price is very high. So I can not buy it. I have to buy second class orange. I will choose the low price and second class when I think the second class product is enough good. Not all the people can afford to the best quality food.
Q: Are there companies or corporations in China? Or is it all owned by the government?
A: Are you kidding? Now in China there are millions companies and corporation. I worked in one state company. Now I work in one France-Sino company. Now China government would gradually give the right to the private and outside company.
Q: Is food the only thing that's standardized, or are other products standardized as well?
A: Almost product, including food, are packed and standardized in China now.
Q: What do you think of the "Great Firewall of China"? Are there any websites that you're unable to visit?
A: I think we should build the "Great Firewall of China" to prevent virus, sex to child, privacy. There are many pc to be broken when one virus is popular. Don't we protect our pcs?
There are few websites that we can not visit. The websites mainly is Sex, like playboy because in China we can not assure that young chilren saftely visit websites. They have no ability to decide what you should see.
Q: Do they also censor political books?
A: I don't know if they sensor political books because I don't like political books. So I can not iudge if they control books. But the fact is that you must have application before they publish one book. Then the government may sensor the books. In fact, gorvernment would not master too hard on books.
Q: How do you learn about other forms of government if the government prevents access to information on them?
A: Internet is one good tool. We can communicate with others in forum. There I can know something. I can hear something from friends. Sometimes the gorvernment civil servant talked it to his friends and family. So the news would spread in the people.
Q: If you say something against the government, will you be thrown in prison? For example, if you were in a crowded public area and started shouting, "I love democracy! Down with communism!", what would happen? Would it be a reenactment of the 1989 Tianamen Square incident?
A: We have freedorm to talk agaist view with others. Now I hear few people throen in prison. There are little movement as you say to stay together to pen oppose the gorvernment. You must apply the admission before you have the movement.
It is very difficult to foretell if we will have reenactment of the 1989 Tianamen Square incident again. We would do the fool things if the gorvernment give us freedorm. In fact I feel more free than ago day after day. We are striving for freedom and demmunism by communication with gorvernment.
Q: What do you think of Falun Gong?
A: Fisrt, I tell you that I am very against the Falun Gong. The cause as follow:
1. It is one evil religion. Its soul is that they don't work and God can give things if they just exercise Falun. As you know, if we don't work we have no food to eat. I like Christianism and other religions because they encourage people to help eah other and work hard.
2. They kite money. You must give much money to your header if you want to join. The just give them pieces of paper. I know many people give all their money to headers. The header said that they would be long life if they give teir money to God. The fact is that the people starved.
3. The header outrage women members. The header cheated them that they would be heathy if have sex with headers.
There are many bad thing of Falun Gong. I can not say it in ome time.
The China gorvernment encourage people have religions. My mother is one Buddhism fan. We all support her.
I am glad to answer you. I tell you that you should judge China using your eyes, not only media.
Billy, I think everyone will ask you political questions because that is the most interesting to us.
How do you get music? Do you mostly listen to radio? Do you buy tapes or discs? Do you share them with others, making tapes of the discs? Do people gather to make music?
In the US and in some other cultures, there is "stand-up comedy". A funny person stands at the front of the room with a microphone and tells jokes and funny stories to entertain. Do you have this in China?
Originally posted by Billy
Thank you for your affirmation. In my pratical work I often poor write. My conpany is French company. Thomson Foshan is its branch. The USA RCA is its branch too.
I need inprove my English. Hope you help me.
Thanks!
<i>Here are some simple corrections:</i>
'Thank you for your affirmation. In my pra<b>c</b>tical work I often <b>write poorly</b>. My conpany is <b>A</b> French company. Thomson Foshan is its branch. The USA RCA is its branch too.
I need <b>to</b>* inprove my English. Hope you <b>will</b> help me.
Thanks!'
Your english is great Billy!
*to is used, in this case, like the word 'also'
I'm not too** good at the gramatics, but the corrections I made are just to make it easier to read.
** too is used this way as a modifyer of the word 'good' or another word would be 'very'
And here are some simple corrections to Bitmap's simple corrections:
'Thank you for your affirmation. In my practical work I often write poorly. My co<b>m</b>pany is <b>a</b> French company. Thomson Foshan is its branch<b>, and RCA is its branch in the USA</b>.
I need <b>to</b> i<b>m</b>prove my English. Hope you will help me.
Thanks!'
um.. yea never mind i don't know this engrish thing very well.
you are one socitalist running dog
:thumb: Ha, ha,ha. Good one Billy.
I think half the things I buy are made in China. It seems that all the things that use to come from Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, The Phillipines and all the other Asian countries now come from China.
You certainly have the labor force and the quality of the products has improved tremendously. Probably due to investment in technology by China and foreign companies.
It's hard for we westerners to understand how the Chinese could welcome the oppression of communism. But I think that's because most people don't understand how the Chinese suffered at the hands of the the British opium lords, the Japanese war lords, and the other foreign pressures.
It would be nice to have the Koreans reunited but I don't know if it is possible without one side winning.
I would rather ask questions here than in an email because other people get to read your answers.
OK, how long do the average Chinese have to work to earn enough money to buy a computer? A bicycle? A TV? A house?
Be sure and ask anything you want to know about us although you"ll probably get several answers to any question.:D
Is Okzhanglu the guy that told you we were war lovers?;)
xoxoxoBruce, I typed it wrong. I wanted to say that you are warm hearted.
I am sorry for my mistake.
I don't believe that sone one told me you were war lover. I need judge using my eyes.
Q: How do you get music? Do you mostly listen to radio? Do you buy tapes or discs? Do you share them with others, making tapes of the discs? Do people gather to make music?
A: I get music by way of CD, DVD, tapes, TV, vocal concert, radio, band...Here TV is more popular now. Of courese radio still has its listeners. I buy many tapes and discs. I have one SONY walkman. My friends sometimes borrow my tapes, but we all buy new discs, don't make it because we have equipment. In schools, company and society we have many band to and people to make music.
Q: In the US and in some other cultures, there is "stand-up comedy". A funny person stands at the front of the room with a microphone and tells jokes and funny stories to entertain. Do you have this in China?
A: I have this program. But sometimes two ore more people stand do that. This program is one tradition movement.Maybe it have some differences with yours. We all like it.
xoxoxoBruce, What you said is very good. Any improvement needs a process. As you know, the USA peopel have long time struggle to achieve today freedom. Now you are still working hard to get much.
China open and reform policy is used to accelerate modernization and civilization buliding. Or I can not seat before screen to chat with you. We need freedorm, but we can not achieve it by everyday blood.
Q:OK, how long do the average Chinese have to work to earn enough money to buy a computer? A bicycle? A TV? A house?
A: For the city average people, they need work two months to buy one computer, 1,2 or 3 days to get one bicycle, 1 month to get one common TV, 10 or 20 years to buy one house by divided payments. In large city, like Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou, there are many new rich people. They live a life that the US people have.
For country average people, they need work more long time to get them if you only depend on agriculture saving. But they all have TV, bicycle, hosue. A few people to buy one computer because they feel hard to learn how to use it and what they can do by it. They need work 4 or 5 years to build one house, half year to buy one TV.
Billy, I have the feeling you're typing out the questions and the answers. Do you know how to copy and paste?
If you highlight the question and copy it, when you go to the reply box click on the "quote" button and paste in the question. then when you click on the OK it will put in the question so you don't have to type it.
If you need more help with thi just say so. :thumb:
xoxoxoBruce.
Just now I wanted to click "Add xoxoxoBruce to Your Buddy List", but I clicked "Add xoxoxoBruce to Your Ignore List".
Now how can I delete "Add xoxoxoBruce to Your Ignore List". Please guide me.
Thank you very much.
you need to go to your user Cp, it's in the top right corner. THen near the top you will see a link entitled edit ignor list. If you click on that you should be able to figure out how to remove him.
Thank you. you are warm hearted.
I'm really interested in the Chinese space program, particularly the Shenzhou manned-space capsule. I think capsules like Shenzhou, Soyuz, and Apollo are the way to go: small capsules to move people to and from the ISS. I think it would be very cool if China got involved in the International Space Station in some way, or at least have Chinese 'Taikonauts' visit the ISS on a regular basis.
What do you think, Billy?
The human being technology need all of us to build. China should offer our power to advance human progress. We have our advantages to develop something, and have yours. Then we all improve the progress.
The space program would drive other industry progress, like steel, energy, in China. It is a good chance to challenge difficuties.
Hi Billy, next question of many. What does your keyboard on your computer look like? Do they make keyboards with Chinese characters on them? I think I've seen pictures of typewriters with Chinese characters. Is the Cantonese (sp) dialect the "national" language? OK, make that the next couple questions. ;)
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
What does your keyboard on your computer look like?
I use Compaq 5500 type PC. There are some Chinese words on "Tab", "Enter", ect.
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Do they make keyboards with Chinese characters on them?
Ago we made the kwyboard with Chinese so that the people easily learn to use it because then few people can expertly operatecomputer. Now more and more people can earsily use. So it has few Chinese words.
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Is the Cantonese (sp) dialect the "national" language?
No, Cantonese is not the "National" language. We use Mandarin, based on Beijingnese. Cantonese is popular in HongKong, Canton and GuangXi. To be frank, I speak dialect. It make troubles to my work and communication.
Of courese, I can teach you if want to learn Chinese.
Originally posted by Billy
Yellow river water
Umm, over here that means something different. :p (Think yellow snow.)
That was a joke, I hope you're not offended by it. Which brings me to the shallow question: Tell us a joke! Tell us one with some Chinese context behind it, and after we're done being confused, you can explain it.
Now the deep question: Sometimes I feel that the U.S. really is a young nation, as we argue over things that really aren't that important. How do you feel about the Chinese civilization as a whole? Do you feel the grandeur of the country, its vast population, and its great age? Or is the "old" China obsolete, as you and your generation are free to find a new way of life?
Originally posted by Bitman
Tell us one with some Chinese context behind it, and after we're done being confused, you can explain it.
The China history that we can track origined from Yellow River in Henan province, my home town. The forebears started new life here. Then more people come out from here. But we all think Yellow River is our saintly area. The forebears depended on the River in old time. They drank river water, irrigated agriculture using river... So the Yellow River is our Chinese symbol. We like saying that our blood is Yellow River Water.
Originally posted by Bitman
Sometimes I feel that the U.S. really is a young nation, as we argue over things that really aren't that important. How do you feel about the Chinese civilization as a whole? Do you feel the grandeur of the country, its vast population, and its great age? Or is the "old" China obsolete, as you and your generation are free to find a new way of life?
I like Chinese civilization as a whole. The Chinese civilization is one of the most rare world civilizations. We should save, protect, absord, create it to make it more beautiful. The human live on forebears' efforts. We can not lose history. History is one mirror.
Chinese civilization is so abundant that I can not use a few words to summarize. Difference people have different views on it. For me, I think the Chinese Civilization is old, abundant, beautiful, great... In China families tradition the more people you have in home the more happiness you would get. And age is the fortune. Age represent experiences and knowledges. In old agriculture time the experiences and knowledges are very important for people to fight with the nature.
My generation people should absord the China Civilization and world civilization to bulid a new civilization that has tradition Chinese civilization and new civilization. The civilization would lose his strong life force if we add and create new civilization.
I think any civilization need other civilization. In globalizition time any country and civilization is alone. So I also like Americam civilization. The Americam civilization is young and vital. You have no past to worry about. You have a vital power to challenge future. In modern age many innovation and new technologies were born in America. China worry about losing tradition civilization and can not find a good way to develop it. So we lag behind you.
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
I think I've seen pictures of typewriters with Chinese characters.
Not to be confused with MC Hammer's dance, known as the Chinese Typewriter.
Originally posted by sycamore
Not to be confused with MC Hammer's dance, known as the Chinese Typewriter.
Seriously, man. Get with the now. (Not the NOW now, but the here&now.)
"Hello. This is the 80's calling. Could someone tell sycamore's mom that he's ready to be picked up?"
If you're going to bag on me do it right...the Chinese Typewriter was all the rage in 1990-91. :)
Hi Billy,
Its great to have you here and so kind as to answer all of our questions!
I am curious what you think about the rule to have only one child. Has this caused any controversy? Are people very disappointed to have a girl?
I ask because I have a friend here in the US who has adopted two daughters from China. She is a single mother, and very committed to teaching and honoring their Chinese heritage. Last year she took her oldest daughter back to China at age 6 to visit the orphanage and village that cared for her the first two years of her life. It has helped her have great pride and a start to understanding her own story.
What do you think of these international adoptions?
Originally posted by sycamore
If you're going to bag on me do it right...the Chinese Typewriter was all the rage in 1990-91. :)
Weren't you one of the characters typing up about Flock of Seagulls? :vomit:
I also had no idea that Hammer's dance had a name, but let's hear it for the New Jack Swing. :D
Indeed...I can talk about almost any type of music...it makes for interesting conversations.
China worry about losing tradition civilization and can not find a good way to develop it.
Do you mean incorporate the traditional Chinese way of life into the new ways, or to preserve the history.
Preserving the history would probably best be done through tourism. That would finance it and give people reason to preserve it. Money talks.
As for incorporating tradition into modern life, you can see what's happening in Japan. The more wealthy each generation becomes, the more they want to change. That's a difficult problem.
One of the reasons the USA was sucessful as a nation was common language. Although many languages were spoken by the people that came here, most tried to learn at least working english, to get along. That helped them to move out of the ethnic communities they settled in, when they first arrived. Now there are many people here that don't speak english at all. They are wholly dependent on the ethnic community. They are trapped.
I think it Would be a good idea for China to push for one dialect to be taught to all children. The parents could still teach them their own dialect if they wanted. But as you are experiencing at work, it's easier when everyone understands.
Teach me Chinese? It would be easier to teach a pig to tap dance.:eek:
Originally posted by warch
Has this caused any controversy? Are people very disappointed to have a girl?
After the one child in one home policy is executed many years, almost Chinese receive this idea. We all support government. The resource is only so much in the world. The offsprings would have no resource to use if we use up. So we should control population qantity. Now in large cities, like Shaihai, Beijing, young people don't hope to have children because the bring chlidren up is a vast task for them.
In country many people still love boys because they believe can support house and inherit family root. They have chances to have second child if the first child is girl. My brother have two children. One is elder girl, the other is boy.
Originally posted by warch
What do you think of these international adoptions?
International adoptions is great. The world is big family now. We should help others as we can. We should other countries children as ours, and don't discriminate the color people. We shoud not judge people by the skin color, age,nationality.. The family would learn Chinese culture if they have one China adpotes child. By this way we can communicate world culture. In fact there are many poor children cna not have a good home. The China welfare can not provided enough support to resolve all problems.
I don't want to marry now, but I like children. I want to adopt children if I can. I hope to give them a warm home. Every child is a angell so we can not let them break wings. When I was young, I was long for one family to adopt me to feel difference love. Now I still have the little mind.
Nowadays it is debated in China if we need preserve and how we preserve it. The Japan was regardes as a good example in China. The Japan preserve old culture and keep high speed economy development(not it is not so fast). In fact Japan preserve perfect old culture than that of China. In "Culture Revolution" we destroyed too many civilization. It is a vast loss for Chinese.
Now many history vista open to the public so that the world people can know it by tourism. Whatever it goes on, we take a step to preserve it.
Nowadays we hope to do things in one standard so that amny rare civilization would pass away. Many minority civilization just goes away. The young generation, including me, don't like the old things, but to new things.
Billy,
Did you know that in every large North American city there is a "China town" section, full of Chinese immigrants?
I went on a tour of Philadelphia's Chinatown. It's about 12 city blocks in size. It's one of the finest parts of the city. The residents really care about their area and keep it nice. There are two authentic Chinese markets selling foods I didn't recognize; a pharmacy, selling herbs and Chinese cures; about 20 restaurants, and a branch of a Hong Kong bank. Video store, book store. You could live there without knowing one word of English.
Did you know that almost everywhere in North America there are Chinese restaurants? I don't know if you'd recognize the food they serve. I think a lot of the dishes were created by early Chinese immigrants to America.
Do you like the Hong Kong action films? Jackie Chan?
Originally posted by Undertoad
Did you know that in every large North American city there is a "China town" section, full of Chinese immigrants?
I know the Chinese spread all over the world now. In North America they have a good life there. Some friends emigrate there. They suggest me to go there. But I don't give up my China nationality, my family and culture. I have fure sisters and one brother. They all married and have Children. They live a poor and comfortable life with my mother and father in countryside. They hope me marry ASAP because my parents are older. Parents want to see me have a home soon.
Originally posted by Undertoad
Did you know that almost everywhere in North America there are Chinese restaurants?
I know that. I like China food. It looks beautiful, taste well, eat precious. I like Chuan food and Xiang Food. There are eight famous vast styles food. I can not say it in details now.
Originally posted by Undertoad
Do you like the Hong Kong action films? Jackie Chan?
I like action movies. To be frank, I don't so like Jackie Chan. My favourite star is Jet Li (
www.JetLi.com). His action looks like artistic and beautiful so that you feel you see one perfect show. He Kuangfu champion in China. Now the action movies are not so cool because there are little good actors and stories.
I commend yo to see Hero. It is not best one for Chinese because we have watched many good action movies. This movie content can not attract us. But the pictures are vey beautiful. Director Zhang YiMou is good at photoes.
When I was young, I was long for one family to adopt me to feel difference love. Now I still have the little mind.
Why is this, Billy? Because you came from a large poor family?
Originally posted by sycamore
What would you have as a typical dinner in China?
In china we have a typical dinner in home or in restaurant. We order some dishes, like fish, beef, chichen, meat, vegetable, ect. First we have some wine, beer, then we have rice, noodleness or steamed bread. In Canton we like drink soup before and after dinner. In north China we like dinking soup after dinner. The China dishes is very different in different restaurants, areas. The same dish maybe very different in different areas. We have no standard in dinner, up to you. You have many freedorms to select. It is hard for me to give you a exact answer.
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Why is this, Billy? Because you came from a large poor family?
Not because of poor. It is love. My father is a rude man. When I was young, I hope to get carefull love. My parents are older than me. They can not understand my heart. I lived in my own alone world. Sometimese I think to suicide. I know they love me but they give what I need. Maybe in a new family I can get what I need.
My parents are older than me.
Well that makes sense! :D
I understand what you're saying though, about your father being "rude". Usually in that case the wife finds in safer to say nothing.
Anyway, you've come to the right place. There's a lot of love in the Cellar. Just ask Radar or Scottsoloman.
Originally posted by Billy
Sometimese I think to suicide.
Most of us have though
of suicide at some point in our lives. But it's not really a problem until you start reaching for the scissors.
By the way, you haven't told us a joke yet ...
Now I know I first love myself the love others. I should strongly stand up to love myself if I can not gainit from outside. I think my parents love me, but the way is wrong.
When I was young and wanted suicide, I hope to fall in one well because back my house there is one deep well. No one can find me if I do it. Then I can have a quiet life in deep water, heaven.
Thank you here. You all help me like best friends.
Stay away from that well. You already told us water pollution is a big proglem.:D
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Stay away from that well. You already told us water pollution is a big proglem.:D
Not all China wells are polluted. There is no industry in my home town. So we stil drink the underground well water. It tastes sweet.
What I meant was, it won't taste sweet very long with you IN it.
Originally posted by Billy
Not because of poor. It is love. My father is a rude man. When I was young, I hope to get carefull love. My parents are older than me. They can not understand my heart. I lived in my own alone world. Sometimese I think to suicide. I know they love me but they give what I need. Maybe in a new family I can get what I need.
So, if I am understanding you correctly, you wish that your parents would have shown more positive reinforcement of their love for you? Do they currently support you in your life endeavors?
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
What I meant was, it won't taste sweet very long with you IN it.
My body would become fertilizer to help the microorganism make water more clear.
Originally posted by sycamore
So, if I am understanding you correctly, you wish that your parents would have shown more positive reinforcement of their love for you? Do they currently support you in your life endeavors?
My father sometimes beat me, I feared him then. They don't listen my heart.They still support me as ago. Now I help myself. I should return my love to them, after all they are my paretns and love me.
Originally posted by Billy
Thank you for your affirmation. In my pratical work I often poor write. My conpany is French company. Thomson Foshan is its branch. The USA RCA is its branch too.
I need inprove my English. Hope you help me.
Thanks!
Actually, my uncle used to work for RCA. RCA was one of the top US companies in the early to mid 20th century and was located in the area where the Cellar is located (Philadelphia, Camden, etc). It was a great innovator and developer. The RCA record label was one of the best labels for classical music, among other types.
Thomson bought the RCA brand name. After a few bad experiences with TVs and VCRs, we have removed Thomson products from our list of approved suppliers for this household. Also, I believe they recently shut down a picture tube plant in Pennsylvania.
I wish you well in the US, but cannot extend my good wishes to your employer. To use an old Yiddish phrase "May they grow like turnips with their heads in the ground."
Originally posted by richlevy
Thomson bought the RCA brand name. After a few bad experiences with TVs and VCRs, we have removed Thomson products from our list of approved suppliers for this household. Also, I believe they recently shut down a picture tube plant in Pennsylvania.
What I tell you is that the picture tube plant move here. The equipments is installing here. I am supervising the installation. I work as one engineer in the product flow. RCA is know as its research and study. I heard that GE had it before Thomson bought it. I don't know Thomson's real background. In markets I have asked for its Very Large Screen TV. They told me that the TVS were worse than SONY. But the price is very high. I don't know how long I will work in this company. Maybe it is over before I go to the USA.
Thank you. Are you a advanced electronic engineer?
GE still owns the HMV image, from what I understand. And if I'm not mistaken, Thomson also runs Magnavox and Philips.
Thomson Foshan, my company, is the Thomson-Sino joint company. In my company there are more than ten national employees. It likes one small UN.
My Chinese name is Ding Guo Liang. Ding is my surname,family name. Guo Liang is that my parents gave me. The Guo is nation and Liang is bright. The Guo Liang means that the nation have a bright future.
I give me Billy. I don't know its meaning and if it is a good name. You can give me a good one if you think it is not a good one.
My body would become fertilizer to help the microorganism make water more clear.
You did say you were a materiels engineer and not a biologist.:rolleyes:
Hell yeah, Billy is a cool name. If you change it now, you'd have to go back and edit all those posts.;)
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Hell yeah, Billy is a cool name. If you change it now, you'd have to go back and edit all those posts.;)
According to your saying, you like my name. I would edit my impression in your mind if I change my name.
From:
http://jupiter.spaceports.com/~sandler/meaning/meaning.htm
The meaning Of William
WILLIAM (m) "will helmet" from the Teutonic elements wil "will, desire" and helm "helmet". The name was introduced to Britain by the Normans. It has belonged to several rulers of England, Prussia, and Germany, including William the Conqueror who was the first Norman king of England. William Tell was a legendary 14th-century hero from Switzerland. It was also borne by dramatist William Shakespeare and poet William Blake, as well as contemporary authors William Faulkner and William S. Burroughs.
Billy is the short name for "William".
Billy, do you find it odd that most folks in the world have their names "backwards"? For example, if you were here in the US, you would be Guo Liang Ding.
I should treasure this name. I am fraid that I give myself a bad name and let they make jokes on me.
The name William also means "guardian" and "determined protector".
There are numerous sources online for origin and meanings of names ... Western names are sometimes not as obvious in their meaning as those of China.
We are, however, sometimes unaware of them, unless we take the time to look them up.
"We're American, honey. Our names don't mean shit."--Butch (Bruce Willis) from Pulp Fiction
Originally posted by sycamore
"We're American, honey. Our names don't mean shit."--Butch (Bruce Willis)[/i]
I don't know why you say so many "Fucking" in your words.
Yeah, Sycamore. You uncultured swine!
On the topic of names / last names, Scandinavians have this strange tradition of giving different last names to their sons /daughters. If your name (not last name) is Jon, your son's last name is Jonsson. If you have a daughter, her last name is Jonsdottir.
Japanese also have a funny way to create last names, but I don't know too much about it.
My mom says that it involves a tin can.
Japanese also have a funny way to create last names, but I don't know too much about it.
But why do you ask, Two Dogs Fucking?
Billy is an American name meaning " That chinese guy that posts on/in the Cellar".:D
Originally posted by Billy
I don't know why you say so many "Fucking" in your words.
We tend to call them "potty words" or "cuss words" here. That was just a quote from a movie, but admittedly, I do cuss like a sailor sometimes.
"What are you? Gene Autry or somethin'? I just do that to get my point across."--Eazy-E (RIP)
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Billy is an American name meaning " That chinese guy that posts on/in the Cellar".
My foreign workmates call me Billy. I will use it when I would chat with the foreign people. It is easier for them to call billy than calling Ding Guo Liang. We can use lots of Chinese words to name. We think it is our language freedom.
One my workmate's Chinese name is Liang Zhi Min. We give his Jimmy because the pronunciations are like. But we don't know the meaning. He doesn't like it. He call me to give his new one. I can not find one. What do you think of Jimmy? Is it Ok? How to give him one new name?
A lot of the time in america in addition to your "real" or birth name (the one registered on your birth certificate) you have a nickname, which is something that other people call you. Sometimes this is based on your name ... like Billy is a nickname for William. A lot of times for men a nickname that ends in "y" is used when you are a child, but then around the teenage years it gets shortened again to what is considered an adult form of the name ... so many children who were called "Billy" in later life are called "Bill".
One of my friends is named Richard. His son has the same name. To be able to tell which one is which the dad is called Rich and the son is called Ricky. Ricky is now in school in the 2nd grade, and he has informed eveyone that he is now to be called "Rick."
Jimmy is a nickname for James, and the other form of that is Jim.
Your friend's name Zhi Min also kind of sounds like "Simon" if he would prefer an Americanized name closer to his own. "Steven" also has a similar sound. Since he gets the chance to pick, he should pick something that he likes and that fits him.
Originally posted by wolf
Your friend's name Zhi Min also kind of sounds like "Simon" if he would prefer an Americanized name closer to his own. "Steven" also has a similar sound. Since he gets the chance to pick, he should pick something that he likes and that fits him.
He like the two names. Thank you! In my office one workmare use the "simon", so Liang can not use it again. He think "Steven" is a little far from his Zhi Min. Please give me more names to select.
OK, I've thought of a question to ask. Many years ago my music teacher was talking about musical chords and how what sounds "right" to each person's ear is an acquired thing, something you learn from hearing it over and over. He gave an example of Chinese music, and said it has a 24 note scale instead of 12 notes like the European music, and if we Americans listen to Chinese music, it sounds like it's out of tune because our ears aren't used to the 24 note scale.
How much do you know about music? I've been curious ever since about how Chinese music compares, I haven't had much chance to hear it except at a resturaunt once. Is the 24 note scale more "traditional" that's not used much anymore, or is all Chinese music still on that scale? What are the instruments like that would play on this scale? Most European and American descended instruments, it would be impossible to play Chinese music on this scale. How is music written out, or is there even a notation scheme for it? Do you listen to American and European music, either classical music from 100s of years ago, or modern popular music? If so, do the chords and such sound strange compared to your native music? Or are we European trained musicians inferior because we only have half as many notes? :-)
Wouldn't sharps and flats cover it?
I know little about the Chinese tradition music because I don't learn it. The China national music is abundant.I will post your question on the China forum to sak.I can send you some China music by letter if you really want hear.I think you can buy it in China Town.The China drama music maybe have the 24 scale. We use the tradition instruments, chord,zither,lute. These instruments are still used in people. The music is beautiful, but I listen little.Now we may use the west instruments to cooperate China instruments.Some people learn to paly music by their memory, not use denotation. I like listening to the west pop, blues music.I don't compare to the music.I just listen to the beautiful music, and don't care how it is made.
24 scale - is that 24 notes in the octave?
Originally posted by Undertoad
24 scale - is that 24 notes in the octave?
Yeah. Just for those less familiar with music:
In the Western scale, an octave is divided into 12 semitones, each equally spaced on an exponential scale. In other words, the frequency of each note is a specific multiple of the frequency of the note below it, to be exact 2 to the 1/12th power. A note an octave up has twice the frequency of the note an octave below it.
Anyway, if you look at a piano, you might naively assume that all the white keys are equally spaced, and the black keys are just extra, but actually, an octave, 8 white keys, is divided equally into 12 parts, so the sharps and flats are actually filling in the spaces on a C major scale. Did that make any sense? Anyway, on a 24 note scale, you would have twice as many tones, each of the new ones half way between each note of the 12 note scale, so between C and C#, you would have another note, and between C# and D, and between D and D#, etc., etc.
And therefore, the majority of Western instruments, anything that has discrete notes, like pianos, guitars, trumpets, etc. would have no way to generate the extra notes, which is why I'm curious what a traditional chinese instrument that operates on the 24 note scale would be like.
Originally posted by linknoid
And therefore, the majority of Western instruments, anything that has discrete notes, like pianos, guitars, trumpets, etc. would have no way to generate the extra notes, which is why I'm curious what a traditional chinese instrument that operates on the 24 note scale would be like.
True, but in the case of guitar you can cheat by
bending the strings, or using that metallic piece popular in hawaii and some blues music (
slide guitar)
And maybe the primacy of stringed instruments and flutes in traditional Chinese music because they lend themselves to these intervals?
There are few people to know the difference. Many young people like the pop music. I will psot it ASAP if I get. I am sorry.
Thank you for looking into it. I actually find it as interesting that you and people you know don't know much about it as I would be about actual information about the music.
This pic was taken in 2000, my second year in university.
I actually find it as interesting that you and people you know don't know much about it as I would be about actual information about the music.
Purged.;)
I post the answer to many BBS. They told me that they cant not remember the difference. Many people who know the trditional China music don't surf internet. The young people who like visite internet like pop music.
My operation was ok. I entered the Foshan China Medcine Hospital on 30, May and left it on 4, June. It cost me much money. Tomorrow I need go to check again. Maybe it need a long time to recover. My health is bad. I need take care of my body in the future.
I hope you recover your health Billy. We enjoy your insight here.
Yeah,we missed you. next time pick a hospital with internet.:D
Thank you from my heart bottom. I like chatting with you. You give me more good views. The hospital with Internet is too expensive that I can not afford to it. I can surf internet anywhere in China if I have one notebook PC. I will often come as ago.
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Next time pick a hospital with internet.
I don't need next time. Hope I have a good body.
Hey Billy, tell us about healthcare in China. Not that you need to tell us about your illness unless you wish, but was there a wait to get into the hospital or see a doctor? Are there enough hospitals and caregivers to serve all the people in your area? You mention a more expensive hospital versus the one you attended- are all citizens covered for medical care equally? Do you have access to medicines? Do hospitals mix western and traditional Chinese treatments?
I don't need wait to see doctor, but I had a ten minutes wait for the medicine taking. In cities there are enough hospitals and doctors to provide services for the public. In rural areas the healthcare is not so perfect, can say much worse in poor area. The govenment have bulit one medicare sysyem in the cities to protect the pubic getting the curing. The life insurance becomes popular in China now. More and more people receive the life insurance and buy some pieces of insurance. In rural area we are just building this system. Now in many rural areas people have no enough money to cure the serious diseases, like cancer, hepatitis, they wait for heath to save the money for their families. The necromancy still exists to cure diseases in the rural areas. In fact some traditional contagions are more serious than the SARS in rural areas because they don't know how to protect themselves and no money to get the bacterins.
In Henan (my home town), Hubei, Hebei, Shanxi Provinces there are many AIDS infected people. Ago some poor people provided their blood to live. Then the nation and people don't recognize that AIDS can widely spread by this way. The nation absolutely restrict this behavior. I heard that some whole families have AIDS. We have bulit the curing fund to help the por people. But it is difficult to help all the people. In China the people like contributing money to temples rather than children education, curing...
Some hospitals fee is high because they have the famous doctor and good health equipments. This time I did not go to the Foshan First People's Hospital because I can not afford to the too high fee. The hospital provide high quality services, possess famous doctors and good care equipments. I think I should save my money if I can cure my disease in other low price hospital. I learned that Foshan Chinese Medcine Hospital's service is bad. The doctors are professional but som nurses don't care the patients well. One nurse scolded me. We have right to select doctor and medicine. I would select high price medicine if I have enough money to use. I lived in the traditional Chinese hospital, but I had one operation and western medicine. I use some traditional medicine to cure my disease.
There are three kinds of hospitals: western hospital, mixing western and traditional Chinese hospital and traditional Chinese hospital. We select different hospitals to cure our different diseases. We would go to the western hospitals if we have the operations. We would go to the traditional Chinese hospitals if we have some chronic diseases, such as headache using acupuncture. Infact we have make traditional Chinese medicine in practical life, such as we add herbal medicine into soup and dish.
Originally posted by Billy
Now in many rural areas people have no enough money to cure the serious diseases, like cancer, hepatitis, they wait for heath to save the money for their families. The necromancy still exists to cure diseases in the rural areas.
I'm not sure if your translation came across correctly. By "necromancy", are you saying that they cure diseases by just letting them kill you, rather than treating them? Or is the meaning literal, to quote a definition by dictionary.com: "The practice of supposedly communicating with the spirits of the dead in order to predict the future" or " Black magic; sorcery." Either way, it doesn't sound like a very attractive option for health care.
Or did you mean something else entirely?
Interesting Billy. I was wondering about AIDs. Is there education to curb the sexual spread? Does the government or health organizations promote preventative actions? Is this a concern in the general public?
In China the people like contributing money to temples rather than children education, curing...
Do the temples or religious organizations ever support heath or education services with the contributed money? What do they do with the donations?
It seems to me that eastern medicine is slowly getting more consideration here. In our county medical center there is a department of alternative medicine, like accupuncture, accupressure, herb therapy, some homeopathy (I think) that can be accessed and covered by health insurance. I have no personal experience with any of those treatments, but a friend has been receiving accupuncture for some ailments and feels that it is working for her.
I hope you continue to feel healthy.
Necromancy- I'm thinking you mean spiritual or faith healing practice. yes?
My mother was born in 1919 with both hips out of socket and one leg 4 in shorter than the other. The Doctors said she would never walk. Well she did and had 2 children plus me, the demon seed. She was always one of the mothers on class trips plus a scout and 4-H leader.
At 42 she became an LPN and worked in a hospital until she retired at 65. Now she's having a lot of pain from her knees (along with everything else) and the Medicare Doctors don't want to do anything because of her age and history.
Last fall, out of desperation, she tried acupuncture, paying out of her own pocket because Medicare won't pay. IT WORKED. She was more surprised than anyone else. Not cured, but did kill the debilitating pain. The usual day to day pain she's lived with for 82 years and can cope with.
I'm sure it's not the power of suggestion or psychological because she is rational, deductive and the worlds biggest sceptic.
I want to say that koradjis use of supernatural power over others through the assistance of spirits; witchcraft. I told you a real story happened to my brother. The doctor told him that he had the pneumonia for a long time. He spent much money to cure the pneumonia and hard breathe. But he still did not feel better. One day he go to see one koradji. The koradji told him that the hang man ghost lived in his body. My brother fired one paper man to replace his life for hang man. My brother recover well soon. He went to check to find that he had no pneumonia after the firing paper man. It is very stange and surprise for us. So my families except me all believe the sorcery. I don't believe that but it cured my brother. The doctor can not explain this problem. Whatever they do, I hope my families have a happy and good lifes.
The media reported the big problem so the public and government began to concern this problem. The public started to use safe sex ways with condoms. The governmant and health organziations educate people to prevent infections. Now the public concern and help the AIDS infected people. In some area the people have no knowledge about AIDS. They may spread this disease to others because they don't realize the dangers.
The temple would use the donations to modify their temple. The famous temple are more beautiful than some schools. I like that the Christianism use the donations to support poor people.
Necromancy: some ways are very strange, as they grasp ghost in one bottle. I don't know more about their magic.
This way dated from 4000 years ago. Our ancestors started use this way to cure. In fact, the doctors know more about human being's nerve system. They use needle to stimulate nerver to cure disease. Maybe can not completely cure well, but at least the patients can reduce pain.
In folk we use naprapathy to cure fracture diseases. The doctors are familiar with human's arthrosis. When I was young, I had several times naprapathy. I think it is better than the western cure way to cure this disease.
I like that the Christianism use the donations to support poor people.
Some of the donations, only some.:(
My brother fired one paper man to replace his life for hang man.
Do you mean he burned a paper cutout or drawing of a man?
naprapathy to cure fracture diseases.
Broken bones? Is naprapathy what we call acupunture?
I've heard alot of stories of how Christians, If cought practicing faith, would be tortured and killed for their beliefs, especially missionaries.
Have you heard these stories? What is your opinion of the Christian Faith? and do You think that the opinon of the Chinese Government will ever change?
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Broken bones? Is naprapathy what we call acupunture?
Broken bones can not use this way. Naprapathy & acupunture are different ways.
Originally posted by Bitmap
Have you heard these stories? What is your opinion of the Christian Faith? and do You think that the opinon of the Chinese Government will ever change?
China FaLong Gun have the same faith as you say. I heard that the dream would be real if you have faith. I think Christian caritas is good. I don't what faith is.
I think the China government change many opinons with time because the world changes. Every one and thing change. I think the government still hope to build one strong and rich country.
After three days' hard and tired work I have some free days to go home. Maybe I not come here in 5 days.
Have a nice visit and eat some good home cooking!
Faith is something that you Know is true, but you have no proof that it exists, or proof that it will happen.
Damn! 3 days work...5 days off? That's good duty, Billy. Say hello to your family from the Cellar.:D
Okay, you guys have bugged the gentleman from China for long enough. :) Now I, as a Chinese (I'm sure Sycamore can verify this), have some questions for you fellas. Don't mind me askin', but I've always been curious:
-How do you guys manage to eat all kinds of food (like pork, rice, and sandwich) without making any sound? I chew with my teeth, and one can always hear me chewing. I have to try really hard to hide the noise. Do you guys chew with your teeth at all?
-Do people generally spend most of their earnings, all of it, over all of it with credit card/loan, or save most of it? In China, it used to be that people generally saved most of their earnings, despite how little they were making. It was tradition to not "waste" any money. I think most people have gotten past this, since the new generation has enjoyed more comfort.
-Do people go see doctor/medical professional whenever they feel uncomfortable, or only when there's something serious? I usually avoid doctors unless there's something serious.
-.... actually, that's all I can think of for now :)
Enjoy this photo from my childhood, which Sycamore did the honor of scanning like 6 years ago :p
I wonder if useing Syc for a reference is the best way to establish your validity? ;)
one can always hear me chewing. I have to try really hard to hide the noise. Do you guys chew with your teeth at all?
Sure, with whatever teeth you have. Everyone can hear themselves chew. Do other people hear you chew?
It was tradition to not "waste" any money.
You can't really "waste" money because it's yours to do what you want with it. You choose where it goes and you reap the benefits or suffer the consequences. Of course if you have dependents, that's another matter. Remember love and money are not for keeping.
Do people go see doctor/medical professional whenever they feel uncomfortable, or only when there's something serious?
I think that depends on the level of medical coverage you have. Most people self diagnose to some degree. If I think I know what the cause is and I don't think it's going to get worse, I tough it out. Every one has different tolerance levels and resources.
You can't really "waste" money because it's yours to do what you want with it.
But you do see what I mean: if itemx costs $5, and it's not the cheapest item on the market, and you buy it, it was considered wasteful. Bad for yourself, bad for the market. But that's what you gotta do when you didn't make all that much. Of course, nowadays everybody wants the latest trend/fashion. The higher the cost, the better.
And for Pete's sake, why is this thread in QUALITY IMAGES? I was trying to locate it, and this was the last forum I expected it to be in ;)
if itemx costs $5, and it's not the cheapest item on the market, and you buy it, it was considered wasteful. Bad for yourself, bad for the market.
There is more to life than money. There may be 12 reasons for not buying where it is cheapest. That's a personal decision.
Of course, nowadays everybody wants the latest trend/fashion.
Not me. If you let yourself get sucked into that shit...you pay.
The higher the cost, the better.
The higher the "perceived" cost the more prestige. The lower the cost the better if you want the most stuff to show off.
And for Pete's sake, why is this thread in QUALITY IMAGES? I was trying to locate it, and this was the last forum I expected it to be in
It's in Quality Images because Billy started this thread by trying to post his picture. You're the one that hijacked the thread instead of starting one in the proper place and then couldn't remember where you posted......Duh.:p
no bruce, I was not making assumptions about everyone. I'm just referring to Chinese teenagers.
I don't want to be hijacker of this thread, so I'm making this my past post (maybe). Hopefully Billy and the others will continue to make good conversations.
Yo, git your ass back here. You ain't getting off that easy. You DON'T want me to come get you.:D
Are you talking about Chinese teenagers here or in China?
Whatever you say, you musty have your reasons. i like to answer any questions that you ask for me if I can.
How was your trip home, Billy?
I will tell you some stories later in my trip. I knew that the poor-rich gap become larger and larger. Many my neighbours feel that it is more difficult to earn money.
Are the prices of things going up as well as the difficulty of earning money?:confused:
In this trip I heard one surprised real story. In my home town one business man has a big shop in the town center. His house is in suburban. He is a rich man and he found a pretty fiancee. Last month he had the ceremonious wedding. After four days past, his bride came back. The man went to his shop and the other family members went to farm as usual. To their surprised, they could not find the bride, only one people framework. Their two demi-wolves was still gnawed at the bone. The man feeds up two big demi-wolves for protecting his shop in night. The two demi-wolves are fierce and bite strangers. In China tradition the new bride generally can not go to the bridegroom's home before wedding. (Except my brother and one my sister we never met my brother's fiancee before wedding.)The bride was a stranger for his dogs and neighbours. The dogs thought the woman was one thief so they gnawed her. The women cried out but no one knew what she did. In daytime most people go to farm or out. The man chopped his dogs. The funeral followed the new wedding. The woman finished her two most important things in her life no more than ten days. Life is life...
The country problem is big in China now. The new govenment face to improve the people's life quality. I think there are the following reasons to
explain the condition:
1. China Entry WTO. The farm produce tariff sharply has decreased after we entered the WTO. The world agriculture countries send their produces to China. The price is lower than ours. So the farmers earn less money.
2. Individual glebe reduce with population growing. In China we average the glebe in the same country. The individual would possess less if the population grows. No glebe, No gain.
3. Farmers have few opportunities to work in cities. They can only do the labor work. The salary is low. Many people wait one work. So we earn little and the worldwide companies like invest China.
4. The farmers have little science and technology knowledge. We can not use the advanced technology to produce the competitive production.
5. Price rise. We invest on the chemical combination, seed and pesticide. The children education fee rises. Many young children leave school when they are about 14 years old.
In SARs time the neighbour relation become offish. Eevery country close off its main road to check anyone. We don't believe others. One my neighbour went to Beijing to take casual laborer. Then he had no work to do. He wanted to go home. The Beijing government forbade them going out. He can not take buses or trains. He bought one bike and rode to home. The police had already waited him in his home before he came home. It took him three days to come back home from Beijing. The police brought him to segregate. Later check he had no SARS. Other man was bought out to segregate because he got the SARS. I know that every one only has one life. We all fear the death. I feel that civilization degenerated if the people don't believe others. We can not live in one lonely world.
In my home town the house near others one by one. Neighbours hold bowls to have food together in the bystreet. We communicate the folker news. The breakfast is the morning paper. The supper is the evening paper. There are many families in my bystreet. I still love the bystreet food. I often ate my neighbours' food when I was young. We also share our family's good food with neighbours. In SARS time there are few people seating to have food together.
Wow, I didn't realize that the SARS scare had gripped China right down to the neighborhood level in the small towns.
By the way Billy, where's Al?
In SARs time the neighbour relation become offish. Eevery country close off its main road to check anyone. We don't believe others.
That's so understandable with so much fear. Its not like people that spread the illness did it knowingly or on purpose. Individuals and families feel they need to protect themselves from the contagion, and with so much mystery around the illness, no one wants to take chances. Hopefully soon there will be more information available and a good strategy to beat SARS. Then the community can relax a bit and get back to normal.Does folk medicine mix into this "offishness"? Or is there a social stigma? If someone contracts SARS are they seen as wreckless, or dirty, or some how deserving this illness?
He is lonely because every one fear him and don't like contact him.
Because he is a party member?
Because he caused someone trouble?
Because he is cocky and outspoken?:confused:
NOT OTHER REASON. WE FEAR DEATH.
Now we still don't know how the SARS spread and hot to defend it. So we have to reduce the inffected chances.
The old PA equipments were made in Japan about ten years ago. So there are many problems in installation and debug. Sometimes I have to work more than 16 hours one day. So I have no so much time to visit cellar.org. The overtime work has no salary. I don't know why company headquarters use the old equipment as the same cost on new ones. I think there could be many problems in the future production.
They probably are using the new equiptment in places where they have to pay overtime.:D
My friend's Chinese name is Jian. He wants to find one similar English name. But I can not find good one for him. Please help me!!! Thanks.
How is Jian pronounced, Billy? Gin? Jen? Jan? Is the J silent?
John or Jim would be good English names for Jian.
I realise I am entering this discussion relatively late, but I wanted to thank you Billy for sharing your views and experiences.
It is [dgen]. He doesn't like John and Jim because too many people use them.
Perhaps a better approach would be to find a name that matches the meaning. What is the meaning of his name Jian?
Djen could be Dean or Deon (D-on).
Isn't 'Dan' cantonese for egg?
The meaning is "Buliding" in Chinese.
Dan(EGG) links to the "COCK" in China. He would not like it.
Please help me more to select. Thanks.
Try
this list , Billy. I think UT would agree. Twice.:D
Alrighty, hmmm.. Dan is somewhat linked to a cock, and Jian means "building", how about Wally? or Mason?
What is its meaning?Thanks
It basically refers back to God..."yahweh is gracious." (
source)
Cleophus
Hezekiah
Ezekial
Tyrone
Jalen
Jamal
Bartholomew
Yngwie
I often surf Internet in net cafe. But these days I can not see it. Maybe here many post about polictics. But I really like this site.
I wish we could have a free and open exchange with you. The censorship worries me, for you and others. Take care and visit when you can.
Some net cafe install censership softs to limit user to chat with politics and sex...
I still can some here to chat by changing other net cafe.
That's good because we Looovvvveeee politics and sex.;)
AT is the Center of the Foshan. There are two KuangFu Kings' memory room, Mr Ip and Huang FeiHong. Mr Ip isthe KuangFu coach of Bruce Lee.
I see Master Ip has trained Billy in the anti-gravity arts.
Put your glasses on Billy. That picture makes you look Chinese.;)
The lion dancing was Huang FeiHong's team. Jet Lee & Jacky Chung have cast Huang FeiHong in good movies. Almost Chinese like the movies. I think Jet Li(
www.JetLi.com) performs better in Chinese KuangFu Movies than in Hollywood movies.
Chinese like the lion dacing in festival or celibrating the important thing.
Billy, the second picture shows 3 men with the lion pants on. Does the lion have six legs or are they taking turns?:confused:
He just helped two men climb on the stick.
Climbing Lion. The lion climbed the stick to get green leaf. The movement is dangerous.
The room is Huang Fei Hong Memorial. Every day it shows one Huang's KuangFu Performance.
Ding Lake. The water is very clear. Now it is one reservoir for city water.
Originally posted by Billy
He just helped two men climb on the stick.
Isn't that a capital offence in China?
Originally posted by Nothing But Net
Isn't that a capital offence in China?
You can see the third Lion pic. It is wonderful. Not as you say.
On Ding lake, is that a temple?:)
It is a lattic for rest. You can have tea in quiet mounitain. Of course you can have coffee there. It is wonderful to have the tea that is made by the lake steam water.
Originally posted by Nothing But Net
Isn't that a capital offence in China?
You are making my belly hurt.
The pic was taken in my high school in July, 1998. I just finished my university admission test that morning. The girl is my classmate. The child is not mine. He is the girl's sister's. I had the tense and simple time. The food was so bad that time that I am very thin now.
I love that tree behind you. Looks like a weeping cedar of some sort.:)
Originally posted by Billy
[I am glad to answer you. I tell you that you should judge China using your eyes, not only media. [/B]
the US media tends to be one-sided. i like to read your views, it's refreshing!:) whenever i go to europe one of my favorite things to do is to just sit on a sidewalk cafe with a cup of coffee or beer (beer preferable :D ) and just people watch. pay attention to the world around you to get a better view of how the world views you. don't know if that makes sense but i get it!:D
The world is what you feel. I think it is a good way to know the world by travel and chating. I can not afford expensive travel, but I can seat here to chat with you in CELLAR CAFE. It is super cool!
I always heard the Chinese were inscrutable, but considering the population of China, that can't be true.:haha:
Originally posted by Billy
The world is what you feel. I think it is a good way to know the world by travel and chating. I can not afford expensive travel, but I can seat here to chat with you in CELLAR CAFE. It is super cool!
i'm new to this myself and am here to stay for a while......
Billy,
Welcome to the Cellar and USA.
Many of us could learn much from your
attitude, or at least how you seem to come across.
Thank you for the inspiration.
I want to have the graduate program in the USA or Canada. I am preparing for the TOEFL and GRE/GMAT test. Then I will take the China Tea to see you.
Never mind the tea, Billy. You make it over here and we'll introduce you to an American drink called moonshine. :D
I will sign up the TOEFL/GMAT test soon on 20, Sep.. The problem is that I don't know which MAJOR I should apply for the USA graduate school.
Ago I want to apply the MBA program, I don't want to apply it because of the following reason:
1. The MBA job becomes hard to get because of the bad economy.
2. The cost is too high for me.
3. I cannot get the scholarship.
4. The visa is very difficult to get because the USA VISA department think I can not return China after graduation.
I like to apply Finance Engineering, Urban Planning, Management...
Ago I majored in Materail Engineering in my unv. time. I want to work in US for 2~3 years after fraduation to recognize the west company style. Then I come back China. I cannot give up my culture.
Please show your viewpoint about major or others for me. Thank you from bottom of my heart.
Tell us more about your skills, and tell us what interests you. What do you want to do?
Any engineering program will include a lot of math. Did you study calculus in high school?
I was a geography and urban planning major as an undergraduate, but I never worked in the field. Found out following graduation that there was one itsy-bitsy thing that they fail to tell you in college ... planning commission jobs are usually patronage jobs, given out to people that politicians owe favors too.
Nobody owed me any favors in those days. Hmm. Nobody does now, either, at least not anybody with that kind of pull.
Which of those fields interests you most?
I majored in the Silicate Material Engineering. I mainly stuied the ceramics, glass, cement and other inorganic materail. I have studied the calculous, linear math, statistics, physics, abiochemistry, organic chemistry... I could not learned the advanced knowledge in my field because we use the older teaching material and my teachers are not the best in the field. So I have largely read the national and foreign material in library. My GAP is not so high because I did not only learn the outdated testbooks. I think the courses are enough to use. I also took the Business Administration elective courses.
I am interested in management, finance, business, urban planning, logistics. I think I should select major according to interest and career market. I can not select too many and must concentrate on one or two majors. In China we need many people with the upper knowledge and international vision. China are implementing the new methods with reference of the west system. But we only remove your system, not master the spirit and soul. So there are many conflicts between China traditional culture and west civilization. We need balance the two sides.
Many companies can not grow to the big ones. I saw many China companies died because of their management peoblems. China finance system are very distempered. We are reforming them. The urban planning gets behind the urban delepment. So the cities are disorder and off beauty.
You don't need do what you major in school. Any job is ok if you can show your ability. You learn the problem resolving mothod and idea. I want to apply the graduate program entry in 2005 Fall. In the same time I hope to apply the scholarship. Or I can not afford the tuition. I don't know any professor in these fields.
Wait your viewpoints now...
From my contacts at Binghamton University the MBA program is very popular among the Indian and Chinese students. A very low percentage of the students are American. I don't know if if that is due to competitiveness in entering the program or if MBAs are becoming less attractive in the US. I do know companies that avoid MBAs like the plague, prefering folks with technical skills. I assume you'll be returning to China so you may want to ask around. A degree in urban planning would probably be more valuable in China than the US due to societal differances.
I must think it over before I take the test.
Thank you, Griff.
I don't know the program in the USA. In China there are only a few schools with the major. Can you tell me your veiwpoint at it?
Many my class were taken in the classrooms.
I did some expriements in the buliding.
I read books in some morning there.
Billy, It would take some time to research schools that offer the programs you are interested in. That may be why you haven't gotten a clear answer. I will try and see what I can find to help you.
Also, you say 'one' a lot. It is more customary to say 'a' instead unless you say something like, '10 brides were there and one got eaten'.
I have really enjoyed reading your posts.
http://directory.google.com/Top/Science/Social_Sciences/Urban_and_Regional_Planning/Academic_Departments/
That link goes to a list of schools offering urban planning. Finance and business are at almost every college in this country, so you would have to pick for yourself. It depends on how much you can afford, and where you want to live.
Thanks, parvati. You are so kindful to help me find the schools.
I just contact U Mass and McGill U. now. i try to find more to select what I like.
You might try to find a school that also offers Chinese. Then you could tutor students to help support yourself.
Can you explain the Landscape Architecture or City/Urban/Regional Planning for me? Now many land agents invite the west landscape architects to design the apartment building in China real estate industry. China need a lot of advanced landscape architects. Only a few China universities have the graduate program so they can not meed the society demand. I am in interested in it. But I know little about it.
I have saw a few books about urban planning in university time. I can not even find the high qulity books about the Architecture or Regional Planning in China. Can you make a book list for me about Landscape Architecture or Regional Planning? Or commend the good website links that you think are useful and constructive.
Thanks! Wait your reply.
Originally posted by parvati
You might try to find a school that also offers Chinese. Then you could tutor students to help support yourself.
But is hard to find this school. I know the UMass has the Chinese major. I am just contact the Planning department.
http://www.abusinessbee.com/books/History/Books_on_Politics/Regional_Planning/cat11113p1.htm
This link is for regional planning books
http://www.asla.org/nonmembers/accredited_programs.cfm
This link is schools offering landscape architecture
http://www.gradschools.com/listings/menus/urban_menu.html
This link is for schools offering regional/urban planning
The
www.gradschools.com site should have a lot of information in general for you.
I found these links by going to yahoo and searching for whatever you asked about. I searched regional planning degree, regional planning books, and landscape architecture. It is very easy.
Thank you. I will treat you to have China Tea if I can get the USA one day.
Hey Billy, I thought you might like to see a picture of the American Astronaut Ed Lu having dinner on the Space Station.:D