Why people do that
Scientific research is always scrambling for funding, and one of the best funded areas is studying human nature.
The reason is simply profit. Marketing people are constantly trying to get an edge, a tiny wedge into human
nature the other guy hasn't grasped yet. But never knowing if the other guy saw that wedge from the study he
funded but it didn't prove to be translatable into sales.
I wonder how much was spent to produce this chart, and does it agree with last week's results... or next week's.
Next time you go to the supermarket, every time you put something in the cart ask yourself why. Not why you're
buying soap, why this brand, why this size. What? Ain't nobody got time fo dat! Right, that's why commercials
aren't filled with logic, ain't nobody got time fo dat, that's why they spend so much to find out how you choose
when you're thinking about picking up sissy at her ballet class.
Personally I think I spend more of my tiny attention span avoiding products from companies that piss me off,
or make commercials that piss me off. ;)
You should look to buy men's stuff with a young sexy woman in a bikini on the label (or in the advertising) that's new and improved, limited availability, and on sale.
That way when it turns out to be garbage you won't feel so bad 'cause it was a calculated risk.
Calculated risk and the bitch lied to me. ;)
Scientific research is always scrambling for funding, and one of the best funded areas is studying human nature.
It does not take much for the consumer to see what matters - as opposed to what others think.
A consumer buying gas at Citgo, Wawa, Sheets, Hess, or US Gas is spending almost 25 cent more than that price on a pump. How many have no idea they are spending the highest prices possible for gasoline? Where is that research into human behavior?
A consumer buying gas at Citgo, Wawa, Sheets, Hess, or US Gas is spending almost 25 cent more than that price on a pump. How many have no idea they are spending the highest prices possible for gasoline?
What are you talking about?
A consumer buying gas at Citgo, Wawa, Sheets, Hess, or US Gas is spending almost 25 cent more than that price on a pump.
Compared to what?
I don't know about TW (and I'm preeeetty sure I don't want to:)), but when
I buy gas at Murphy's (owned by WaWa)
I spend about 7 cents less at the pump than at other gas-ups.
I suspect tw is gonna say that for every 7 cents you save, your car is sustaining $5 in damage from inferior gas.
Meh, gas is gas.
It all has to meet the same requirements.
Although, Marathon does owe Popdigr a fuel gauge (sending unit, anyway).
There is such a cultural aspect to this, though. What works in USA won't work in UK and vice versa.
IMO(/experience)
continuing with the gas/petrol example. Here in the USA, there are so many places where there are gas stations of equal quality on kitty-corner/diagonally opposite/ sides of an intersection/junction, and one is 10¢ more expensive than the other, but both are equally busy. Brits for sure would go to the cheaper one even if it's an awkward turn. Or the one with the better rewards if the prices are really, really close.... but 10¢ isn't really close.
Here is there is a a real culture of paying for convenience that may be developing in the UK, but even if it is, I suspect it still has a long way to go to be comparable. Plus roads have fewer lanes, so it's often a lot less inconvenient/difficult to do that in the UK
I see price/location are fairly equal in the study. So I guess the gas example to demonstrate the cultural differences is not the best because the two main ideas occupy the two main and equal spots in the study, but it really expands beyond that.
When I was in the UK it was all about price. for me. Now I won't cross the road to save just a penny per gallon. But I don't know how much of that is cultural and how much is temporal. I'm nearly 20 years older and much better off, and have learned that my time is valuable too. When I need gas on the freeway, I used to watch the prices as the tank started to get low and pull over when I saw the one that was cheaper. Now I push it to the last drop so I have to stop and fill less often. I'm sure i't not all temporal however. When my sister and my peers visit from the UK -who are olso older ans wealthier, I see them as skinflints and they see me as a wanton spendthrift.
There are also differing levels of legislation which feed/support these cultural differences. I cannot believe that people "buy" some of the crap in advertising here, and I know some here in the USA cannot believe the restrictions on advertising and thus consumer choice that the UK law imposes.
Monster, pushing it to the last drop is a bad idea. The hotter the ambient temperature the badder it is. Virtually all cars use an electric pump in the tank to push gas to the engine. Like all electric gadgets, and all pumps, they create heat which is bad for their life span. They use the gas remaining in the tank as a coolant for the pump so when you're sucking the last drops the pump get really hot. I know it's a pain in the ass to stop more often than necessary, but it would be healthier for the pump and sending unit, especially in hot weather, to not let it drop below an eighth of a tank.
You really don't want to give Beest any more reason to beat you. :lol2:
Actually there can be a big difference in brands of gasoline, especially in winter there are hundreds of recipes for conjuring up gasoline, and two ways to calculate octane. This was GM's bitch about EPA tests in that the gas varied so much. As a result, Top Tier Gas was created in collaboration between GM and Chevron, with other car makers and refiners slowly coming on board with the standards.
As of May 2017 the following have been certified which means every station selling that brand meets specs.
76 Stations, Aloha Petroleum Amoco Ultimate with Invigorate, ARCO, Beacon, BP Regular with Invigorate, BP Silver with Invigorate, Break Time, Cenex, Chevron, CITGO, Conoco, CO-OP, Costco Gasoline, CountryMark, CountryMark Plus, Diamond Shamrock, Esso Express, Exxon, Hele, Holiday, Kwik Star, Kwik Trip, Kwik Trip Express, Mahalo, Marathon, Metro Petro, MFA, Mobil, OAAI, Ohana Fuels, Petro-Canada, Phillips 66, PUMA Energy Caribe, QT, Quik Trip, Road Ranger, Shamrock, Shell, Shell (Canada), Shell (Puerto Rico), Sinclair, Standard, Sunoco Ultratech, SuperAmerica, SuperFuels, Tempo, Texaco, Tri-Par Qwik Stop, Valero.
A long way from the the first ten than came on board. To be certified refiners pay a yearly fee based on the number of station.
BUT, there's a minority in the fuel pile. When you see a gas station with several large signs saying Texaco, or Exxon, it don't mean jack shit. There is no state or federal law saying they have to sell the brand on the sign. :eek:
It's up to the refiner to retrieve their signs(protect their street creds) if that station stops selling their product. You'd think big oil with all their clout could get that law passed in a NY minute.. they could but they don't want it. :confused:
Hey Charlie, Bob over at Chevron, how's the boy doing in Little League?
Good good, what can I do for you Bob.
We have a fuckup down the line, I'm good on premium but need 200,000 gallons of regular on thursday.
No problem buddy, terminal C, stations 15 through 30, Thursday morning at 04:00. Give my best to the little woman.
A guy I went to school with, had previously worked on the tankers from Texas to New England. They'd leave Texas and 30 miles out to sea they would add barrels of red dye to the cargo because it was destined for Atlantic stations.
Monster, pushing it to the last drop is a bad idea.
I don't give a shit :D
What are you talking about?
Exactly as stated. To spend most money on gasoline, then buy from places such as Wawa, Citgo, Sheets, US Gas, Hess, etc. How much more? Add something less than 25 cents to the posted price. Many are easily manipulated into paying most by ignoring relevant numbers.
If not obvious, then ask a specific question.
Is English his first language? Srs qstn.
Cuz I still don't know WTF he's talking about.
And I'm pretty sure he doesn't either, so, it's gonna be up to one of you guys to make his point. If he have one besides the one on top his head.
If not obvious, then ask a specific question.
Which specific hoop were you hoping I would jump through? I jumped through the biggest lowest hoop by asking you what the fuck you were talking about. But if you don't care to elaborate, it's your missed opportunity.
Which specific hoop were you hoping I would jump through?
Emotional denial demonstrated by asking a question that was obviously answered. That answer could not be more obvious. If too hard, then cite the particular one sentence that confuses you, state what you think it means, then ask for clarification. One who actually wanted to learn would have done that.
If a Trump supporter, then posted is everything necessary. Discount gasoline costs more money. Honest answer even put a number to it. Add something less than 25 cents per gallon to the price. To calculate what that gasoline really costs. Arithmetic could not be any simpler.
T-dubs, have you been eating something you shouldn't?
T-dubs, have you been eating something you shouldn't?
His question was answered accurately using the attitude it was asked. He got the only answer that applies to emotional (irrelevant) questions: "read the first post".
His vague question needs only one answer. Discount gas ends up costing something less than 25 cents more than what is posted on the pump. Why is addition so hard?
Oh! I understand now. What I hear you saying is that discount gas ends up costing something less than 25 cents more than what is posted on the pump. Of course!
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I believe that all the gas today comes from the same refineries and usually on the same trucks. So the differences must be in the additives.
I believe that all the gas today comes from the same refineries and usually on the same trucks. So the differences must be in the additives.
Bingo.
What I hear you saying is that discount gas ends up costing something less than 25 cents more than what is posted on the pump.
Your reading what your emotions want you to see. Obviously not what was written. To spend the greatest money on gasoline, foolishly visit discount gas stations. The actual cost for gas at discount stations is so much higher that informed adults would call it a scam.
Only naive and emotional onsumers ignore numbers.
Hey Charlie, Bob over at Chevron, how's the boy doing in Little League?
Good good, what can I do for you Bob.
We have a fuckup down the line, I'm good on premium but need 200,000 gallons of regular on thursday.
No problem buddy, terminal C, stations 15 through 30, Thursday morning at 04:00. Give my best to the little woman.
Only naive and emotional onsumers ignore numbers.
Only morons and idiots ignore painfully obvious questions.:right:
Discount gas ends up costing something less than 25 cents more than what is posted on the pump.
Hmm...
What is posted on the pump
is "something less than 25 cents more than what is posted on the pump".
Discount gas costs something less than 25 cents more than a price posted on the pump. Unfortunately this reality must be restated often before emotional Trump supporters finally realize reality. How many act like Trump supporters?
Most expensive gasoline is sold in discount gas stations.
Discount gas stations also sell discount cigarettes. Cigarette producers hired tw's father to advertise for them and tell Americans how just good they were. When one brand was promoted, all brands benefited. The tw family relished in the rewards their propaganda brought about and especially in the resulting demise of Americans they hate on.
The tw family attention to cigarettes has contributed to more than 480,000 deaths annually in the United States [CDC] and nearly 6 million deaths annually worldwide [CDC] due to cigarette smoking. Still, the developmentally impaired tw whines about others causing 60,000 total American military fatal casualties in Vietnam over 20 years, 5,000 total in the Gulf War to Mission Accomplished, and having to pay too much for gas at discount gas stations THAT SELL CIGARETTES.
The tw family tradition of propaganda would now have Americans believe that gas stations are only about selling gas. Tw wants to bamboozle Americans into forgeting about the cigarettes so more Americans will be harmed. Subversives are as subversives do and it gets passed down from one generation to the next, from a father who wanted harmful business to flourish in America to a son who wants American conveniences to wither. We're living in the tw family era of business propaganda directed against the hard working Americans they detest. When was the last time you got the impression that tw liked you; or, valued your opinion and wasn't just feigning interest so you'd continue to listen to his rhetoric [rhetorical]?
Unfortunately this reality must be restated often until developmentally impaired tw finally realizes the reality that he's been brainwashed to hate on Americans.
I did a rigorous 10 minute google survey. It turns out there is an industry standard kind of group "Top Tier" in which about a third of national brands are deemed to be at this "better" level:
http://www.toptiergas.com/licensedbrands/
AAA decided they actually were better, in independent testing, and -- in some otherworldly coincidence -- their story announcingn this testing was the source of the numbers in xoB's original post:
http://newsroom.aaa.com/2016/07/aaa-not-gasoline-created-equal/Missing from that list are many discount brand gasolines including those that have the most and busiest pumps (ie Sheets, Wawa).
Those 'acceptable' gasolines have been known for decades. For example, in 1980, BMW only listed Chevron, Amoco. Exxon, Shell, and Texaco as acceptable. That was a national survey. Sunoco was a regional brand. It may have also belonged on that list over 35 years ago. But then I did not actually test Sunoco - so I cannot say with certainty.
In order to maximize their EPA mileage, GM required testing only with Chevron. Ever wonder why so many GM owners had trouble duplicating those EPA numbers? Discount gas.
What happens when using just one tank of a discount brand? My Accords would drop from 32 MPG to about 24 or 25 MPG. In some cases, it took up to four tanks of the good stuff to undo that damage.
At current prices, add maybe 24 cents per gallon to their posted price. That is the real price of discount gasoline.
You think those small brands can own their own refinery? They rely on independent refineries which are increasing as the major brands are getting out of the refining end of the business. Some of the larger independent brand stations may be able to contract their own blends of additive, but Joe's Gasateria takes what is available, which is the same gas the major brand station's get. Joe can sell cheaper because he's not paying rent to the majors for his location. And as I mentioned before, he has no legal obligation to post a sign who made it.
I've used one tank of WAWA regular in my pickup that ran like shit. I've also use Sheets premium in my ElCamino with no problem. I was forced to use WAWA premium in the SSR with no problem. The thing is you don't know where it came from but that doesn't mean it's bad.
T-dubs, have you been eating something you shouldn't?
Red dye?
What happens when using just one tank of a discount brand? My Accords would drop from 32 MPG to about 24 or 25 MPG.
For the record. This is the first post in this thread in which you actually say what your point is.
Gallon per mile is a different thing than gallon per dollar.
I think there was something else wrong with those Accords. 8 mpg is a huge drop from one brand of gas to another. An oil company could make jillions of dollars from that kind of situation, looks like they'd be hollering that from every rooftop.
Gallon per mile is a different thing than gallon per dollar.
Dollar per mile says everything. When gasoline reduces MPG to 25, then Dollar per miles increases significantly. I made it easy for the arithmetically challenged. Price at discount stations is something less than 25 cents more per gallon.
Amazing how some have difficulty when numbers are required or included.
Bruce - all gasolines come from the same refineries. Everything posted is based in that reality. Stop foolishly assuming that proves something. All gasolines come from a same refinery. Delivered by same pipelines. And are massively different as demonstrated by UT's Top Tier explanation. Learn why that is true by discovering fallacies in your speculations.
For others who would learn - not argue. Discount gasolines are some of the most expensive. Price on a pump does not really reflect actual cost.
Now it's revisionist history with you.
You gave dollars per gallon when you meant something else and now are trying to muddy the waters by bringing up a third unit.
And you blame other people for your failure to communicate.
I think there was something else wrong with those Accords. 8 mpg is a huge drop
Yes gasolines are that different. These numbers come from multiple Accords. I generally cite a more conservative 10% difference. But that reality exists. Discount gasolines cost more money.
Topmost question is why do people do that? Most do not want answers tempered by perspective. Honest answers are not subjective; include numbers.
I will bet both my nuts that Grand Cherokee One would show almost no noticeable difference in each and every brand of gasoline available within 50 miles of me.
I'm just basing that on my own 35 years of experience putting gas in a driving it out of cars...
Your mileage may vary. (<--See thar? That's how one would go about acknowledging that they might not possess every fact on the planet.)
I've said this before: I sometimes believe TW is educated beyond his intelligence.
How many posts did it take him to say what he was trying to say? Has he even said it yet?
Here TW, let me save you some time w/that reply:
...at discount stations is something less than 25 cents more per gallon...
Bruce - all gasolines come from the same refineries. Everything posted is based in that reality. Stop foolishly assuming that proves something. All gasolines come from a same refinery. Delivered by same pipelines. And are massively different as demonstrated by UT's Top Tier explanation. Learn why that is true by discovering fallacies in your speculations.
If you had been paying attention you would know it was I who explained top tier gasolines.
I am putting money on Gravdigr's nuts.
~ I always do ~
If you had been paying attention you would know it was I who explained top tier gasolines.
I missed it, but I was on a break.
If you had been paying attention you would know it was I who explained top tier gasolines.
UT provided facts like an adult. He is credited.
Eventually you will finally grasp reality if it is posted enough times. Eve n the most obstinate eventually concede to reality. Discount gasolines tend to be the most expensive gasolines.
Fuck you, you didn't even read my post you fraud. :lol2:
Tw ignored facts that cigarette producers hired tw's father to advertise for them and tell Americans how just good they were. When one brand was promoted, all brands benefited. The tw family relished in the rewards their propaganda brought about and especially in the resulting demise of Americans they hate on.
The tw family attention to cigarettes has contributed to more than 480,000 deaths annually in the United States [CDC] and nearly 6 million deaths annually worldwide [CDC] due to cigarette smoking. Still, the developmentally impaired tw whines about others causing 60,000 total American military fatal casualties in Vietnam over 20 years, 5,000 total in the Gulf War to Mission Accomplished, and having to pay too much for gas at discount gas stations THAT SELL CIGARETTES.
The tw family tradition of propaganda would now have Americans believe that gas stations are only about selling gas. Tw wants to bamboozle Americans into forgeting about the cigarettes so more Americans will be harmed. Subversives are as subversives do and it gets passed down from one generation to the next, from a father who wanted harmful business to flourish in America to a son who wants American conveniences to wither. We're living in the tw family era of business propaganda directed against the hard working Americans they detest.
Developmentally impaired tw despises Americans stating facts and recognizes only sources who appease him in their form of presentation. When was the last time you got the impression that tw liked you; or, valued your opinion and wasn't just feigning interest so you'd continue to listen to his rhetoric [rhetorical]?
Unfortunately this reality must be restated often until developmentally impaired tw finally realizes the reality that he's a control freak who's been brainwashed to hate on Americans.
Fuck you, you didn't even read my post you fraud. :lol2:
UT presented facts without silly emotions. He deserves credit. Your use of profanity only confirms a highly emotional state - and why you deny reality. Discount gasoline is tends to be the most expensive. Denials come from emotional (childish) authors. When you choose to restore an adult attitude, then your conclusions will be considered. Emotional denials created a bogus conclusion.
Reality is demonstrated by facts. Discount gasoline is a most expensive gasoline. Add maybe 24 cents to a posted price
for discount gasoline. A number that would be higher depending on how many tanks of good gasoline are required to repair that damage.
Amazing how some have disturbing meltdowns over a fact well understood for almost 40 years.
It says so much about why some people do that.
Fuck you, you didn't even read my post you fraud. :lol2:
Read? I only know how to write.
Tw is an infant. Tw cannot address content of questions, can only address tone of questions like infants cannot understand what is being asked, only the tone in which it's done. Tw displays infantile responses by throwing temper tantrums after presentation of facts because his developmentally impaired brain only understands tone of conversations and not content.
Tw ignored facts that cigarette producers hired tw's father to advertise for them and tell Americans how just good they were. When one brand was promoted, all brands benefited. The tw family promotional propaganda for cigarettes has contributed to more than 480,000 deaths annually in the United States [CDC] and nearly 6 million deaths annually worldwide [CDC] due to cigarette smoking. Still, the developmentally impaired tw whines about others causing 60,000 total American military fatal casualties in Vietnam over 20 years, 5,000 total in the Gulf War to Mission Accomplished, and having to pay too much for gas at discount gas stations THAT SELL CIGARETTES. Tw refuses to acknowledge facts because tw's infantile brain can comprehend only tone in which facts are presented, not content.
Developmentally impaired tw despises Americans stating facts and recognizes only sources who appease him in their form of presentation. When was the last time you got the impression that tw liked you; or, valued your opinion and wasn't just feigning interest so you'd continue to listen to his rhetoric [rhetorical]?
Unfortunately this reality must be restated often until developmentally impaired tw finally realizes the reality that he's behaviorally an infant who's been brainwashed to hate on Americans even if he just doesn't like their tone.
The right wing wacko extremists have again posted their emotions. And not even one fact or number that disputes reality. Discount gasolines are among the most expensive.
That requires one to be an adult - and therefore logical. The emotional have posted their feelings - and not one fact.
That is the topic - Why people do that. Adults learn facts - then have conclusions. Adults who are still children even post paragraphs of insult and their emotions. Those are the Donald Trump supporters. Which defines their education and intelligent levels.
Just priming the pump. The extremists will post more nasty (emotional) replies. It really is fun to expose Donald Trump supporters. It demonstrates why some people do that.
Irony. Adults who are children will post reams of paragraphs expressing their emotions. And not one paragraph of facts with numbers.
My money remains on Grav's balls. Both of them.
Anecdotes are not facts.
Facts come with numbers. And no profanity - that indicates the emotional and naive. Emotions are akin to knowledge provided by The Donald.
The most expensive gasoline is often found in discount gas stations. As was known even almost 40 years ago.
Anecdotes with numbers are still not facts, dumbfuck.
Yeah. Betting on Grav's balls is prudent.
Tw ignores facts with numbers. Tw ignored facts that cigarette producers hired tw's father to advertise for them and tell Americans how just good they were. When one brand was promoted, all brands benefited. The tw family promotional propaganda for cigarettes has contributed to more than 480,000 deaths annually in the United States [CDC] and nearly 6 million deaths annually worldwide [CDC] due to cigarette smoking. Still, the developmentally impaired tw whines about others causing 60,000 total American military fatal casualties in Vietnam over 20 years, 5,000 total in the Gulf War to Mission Accomplished, and having to pay too much for gas at discount gas stations THAT SELL CIGARETTES. Tw refuses to acknowledge facts because tw's infantile brain can comprehend only tone in which facts are presented, not content, just like an infant.
Tw propaganda technique, learned from his father, undermines American freedom of expression and targets The Cellar to hate on Americans. Developmentally impaired tw despises Americans stating facts and so recognizes only sources who appease him in their form of presentation and redirects conversation away from facts to who's doing the presenting and how they're doing it. Tw subverts any facts that fall outside his propaganda line. When was the last time you got the impression that tw liked you; or, valued your opinion and wasn't just feigning interest so you'd continue to listen to his rhetoric [rhetorical]? Tw is just a propagandist abusing this venue.
Unfortunately this reality must be restated often until developmentally impaired tw finally realizes the reality that he's behaviorally an infant who's been brainwashed to hate on Americans. Tw is incapable of acknowledging responsibility for his actions just like Hillary. Tw continues to enthusiastically subvert the venue that is the Cellar.
Shifting my savings to Gravs balls.
Eeww, do you know where they've been? :haha:
You can trust Grav's Balls™.
Grav's Balls™ approved this message.
Shifting to shaving Gravs balls.
Really?
When was the last time you got the impression that tw liked you; or, valued your opinion and wasn't just feigning interest so you'd continue to listen to his rhetoric [rhetorical]? Tw is just a propagandist abusing this venue.
You're made for each other.
You're made for each other.
QFT.
Tw learned propaganda techniques from his father who was in advertising for big tobacco. He's learned how to mix just enough truth (what he'll refer to as facts) in with deceptions (the conclusions he'll try to impose on others) along with demeaning (he'll call everyone who disagrees with him whacko, a child, extremist...etc.) to either string people along whatever agenda he's pushing; or, try to shut them down just as big tobacco tried to shut down the medical community. Tw identifies those he thinks are the most gullible among us and throws throws them a bone ('ataboy); or, something pleasant (humor) every so often to keep them hangin' on. If tw tries to get on your good side, it means he considers you a weakling.
If you watched the video UT posted, "Jonathan Pie explains it", then you know how tw has always operated. You're not allowed to disagree with him. If there isn't sufficient conversation going on in the Politics forum, he'll push his agenda in other forums and make a political connection there. It's been a losing methodology for tw just as it was a losing strategy for Hillary Clinton. Both of them still firmly believe that you can fool most of the people most of the time and if you repeat something often enough, it becomes the truth. Both will even wave the flag (as in - Patriotism, the last refuge of a scoundrel). Neither of them will ever learn simply because they're too full of themselves.
I, OTOH, didn't need Jonathan Pie's explanation. I know how propaganda works. The Reserve Psychological Operations Officers Course I attended covered propaganda techniques fairly well. Much of it is used in civilian advertising such as tw's father did. I readily see what techniques tw has picked up and employed here in the Cellar. He's not very good at it; but, because most Cellar peeps are even worse at recognizing it...he thinks he's a genius. If everyone here had my knowledge on the subject, tw would have been gone a long time ago. That's not the case though so the Cellar is a classic environment for someone like tw to thrive. And he knows it.
To the extent that tw is a propagandist that I can counter just for fun, it may be a good match.
BTW, when was the last time you got the impression that tw liked you; or, valued your opinion and wasn't just feigning interest so you'd continue to listen to his rhetoric [rhetorical]? Tw is just a propagandist abusing this venue.
Don't underestimate the Cellar peeps, we know what he does, how, and why, from years of repetition. Sometimes I poke him like a paper tiger for fun, swearing will always get a rise, sometimes I post factual information for the other readers who are curious about the debate and want to know.
If you don't take him seriously he can be entertaining, like a joke you've heard a million times but laugh at the punch line anyway. ;)
You're made for each other.
Why associate me with someone who only posts insults.
Sexobon now Xeroxs the same insults (not one fact or honest statement), word for word, to my every post. A perfect example of an adult acting like a child. Why associate me with that child - who has never posted anything but insults in my direction?
Because he routinely posts insults at me, I too much be a child?
UT - you have banned people previously for much less. Since sexobon has been doing this for so long, then it is acceptable? Or is it necessary to start matching his nastiness before you notice?
One made mildly insulting comments because, we later learned, she was suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning. Her comments were mild compared to sexobon. So mild, that I (and others) was surprised you did that you banned her. Why a double standard?
It is a shame you now condone daily Trump style insults.
True. He's considerably worse. But you've been known to post repetitive insults as well. I wouldn't suggest trying to match his nastiness, because you're liable to overshoot him as far as he overshot you,which will devolve things further.
Or is it necessary to start matching his nastiness
How many people did you call a child? How many did you call emotional? How many did you call Trump supporters? How many did you call stupid for not understanding the simplest of your statements?
You started the nastiness in this thread. Go back and read it if you don't believe me.
When was the last time you got the impression that tw liked you; or, valued your opinion and wasn't just feigning interest so you'd continue to listen to his rhetoric [rhetorical]? Tw is just a propagandist abusing this venue.
You're made for each other.
QFT.
Hah!
Sorry, but that was funny.
Well, a little funny.
:D
The Trump supporters thing *is* pretty funny. It's like "one of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong."
How many people did you call a child?
Sexobon ... after maybe ten posts of direct insults and not one adult (logical) reply. Apparently you never noticed how many insults he posts before I finally reply to one.
Now, an adult that acts like a child is not an insult. It is science. Sexobon's insults were defined by well proven science. Some adults remain emotional - do not temper the 'child in the adult' with what adults develop - a prefrontal cortex .
If you think that is an insult, then you have not let learned the science. You have choosen to respond emotionally rather than logically. For most, a prefrontal cortex takes control about the age of 16. Researcher note that does not happen for some until 24. And some never establish what is necessary to be an adult.
Clearly the science (an adult who is still a child) is not an insult. It is science that explains why some take insult at any statements they do not like. Adults who respond emotionally are still acting as a child.
BTW, asking if Trump has a mental illness also is not an insult - even though Trump supporters jump to that conclusion. It is also a logical (adult) question based in science.
Explained many times. Maybe you did not read it. Or maybe you so dislike proven science as to deny it. That is for you to answer - if not here, then for your own benefit.
Which paragraph are you now insulted by? Some adults here do respond emotionally. A obvious difference easily separates one from another. An adult also includes perspective (ie reasons why) with a conclusion. Adults who are children rarely if ever do.
Sexobon has recently 'cut and pasted' his emotional outrage on many different boards. None of those duplicated posts are based in or justified by any facts. All represent his emotions. That (including the he cut and pastes then so many times) is a classic example of an adult acting like a child. Not an insult. A fact explained by psychology.
I'm not sure if I'd rather be a Trump supporter, or an athletic supporter...
It must be the copy/pasting you object to, because you damn sure don't mind repeating something ad nauseum.
Re: emotions
Re: children
Re: business school graduates
Re: emotional children
Re: emotional children of business school graduates
Re: something less than 25 cents more per gallon than is posted on the pump
I think TW has problems with denial.
Re: Vise Grips
ETA: Sorry, couldn't help m'self w/the vise grips thing.:p:
True. He's considerably worse. But you've been known to post repetitive insults as well.
Absolutely. How many months did classicman post insults constantly. Finally it became necessary after so many remained silent. Then we had numerous discussions of how he rapes his wife. It took that much nastiness from me for others (including yourself , if I remember correctly) to finally say enough. Posted insults after months (maybe years) of ignored insults from classicman.
I reply with well justified insults after a counterparty has done it numerous times. As I have all through life. If I am replying with insults, then you better damn well discover why I am doing what I almost never do. How often have I insulted you? Never. Why? You do not post nasty and emotional replies.
Please count how many times the counterparty posted insults before I responded with one. If I post an insult, then you know the counterparty has been doing it for a long time. And then we discuss why. Some adults are still children. That is science; not an insult.
BTW, xoxoxoBruce clearly deserves plenty of insults in reply. How frequently have I insulted him after he posted so many insults? Hardly a week goes by when he does not. But he does not do so with routine frequency that sexobon does.
Don't take my word for it. Count them. Note how many insults he posted before I reply with one.
Again, how often have I insulted you? Cite them.
Why do some post insults? Trump got the Republican Party nomination by doing just that. So many believe (respect) a person who posts the most insults. Why were so many more informed and intelligent Republicans on that stage demeaned? What proved Rubio was inferior? "Little Markus". That insult proves Rubio is not an inferior leader? Of course. Because so many of us respect the insulter - emotionally. And disparage the insultee. Yes, many adults still think like children - have most respect for the playground bully. That is an adult who thinks like a child.
So who did I insult this time?
It must be the copy/pasting you object to, ...
We must repeatedly post electrons, superposition, toxic nutrition supplements, how vision works, why the overwhelming majority smoked cigarettes increase health, etc .. because that is both science and well documented history. Science and knowledge is cut and pasted often because the reality did not change.
But the emotional have replied with insults - and without facts to dispute a reality that is unpopular. If it was commonly believed, I would not waste bandwidth repeating what everyone already knows.
The reality that most here refused to admit - Saddam did not have those WMDs - was never a threat to America. So that reality could not be repeated enough times.
Proven here repeatedly: business school graduates routinely destroy companies - especially when their purpose is profits - not the product. That hard fact cannot be cut and pasted enough times. Since it also means everyone's standards of living are diminished. Need we cite the only two presidents who are business school graduates? Trump and George Jr. Just another of so many examples why business school graduates and their destruction of jobs cannot be stated enough. That only makes the emotional angry. Need I put you on that list?
Will you also try to get on Trump's enemies list. Another discussion based in facts - or humor? Apparently it makes you so angry that you do not even see the humor in it.
You started the nastiness in this thread. Go back and read it if you don't believe me.
Actually your first three replies in response to me were nasty. Your reply was clearly disparaging. And then followed by intentionally misstating what was clearlyl obvious. Since you did not like the reality and could not challenge it.
An adult would have replies with numbers or knowledge that disputed a well demonstrated fact. Discount gasoline is the more expensive gasoline. Repeated again because nothing posted here contradicts it. Others have posted facts that also demonstrate a reality you do not like.
So I reply to you in the only way you understand. What the fuck are you talking about you fool. That is your attitude. That was your many posts in reply to me. I ignored your insults and replied with more facts. You - not me - posted the first disparaging comments.
Of course you will deny it.
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Sorry. Sometimes reality hurts. There is a song about this. Love hurts.
You wouldn't know reality if someone wrote it on a board and hit you over the head with it.
Actually your first three replies in response to me were nasty. Your reply was clearly disparaging. And then followed by intentionally misstating what was clearlyl obvious. Since you did not like the reality and could not challenge it.
An adult would have replies with numbers or knowledge that disputed a well demonstrated fact. Discount gasoline is the more expensive gasoline. Repeated again because nothing posted here contradicts it. Others have posted facts that also demonstrate a reality you do not like.
So I reply to you in the only way you understand. What the fuck are you talking about you fool. That is your attitude. That was your many posts in reply to me. I ignored your insults and replied with more facts. You - not me - posted the first disparaging comments.
Of course you will deny it.
I deny it.
Insult me? *shrug* Irrelevant. Pollute this and countless other threads with braying insults of others? Too many to cite. Insults of my friends, like classicman? Too many to cite. As for your claim that you were "well justified" as "counterparty" .... It's really, really hard to care about you when you're insulting people. My sympathy for your "counterparty insulting" is zero.
I'll give you another one for free. The persuasive power of such communication is not zero, it's less than zero. *IF* you have a valid point, even a valid point, it becomes lost in the shitstorm.
tw is an asshole, and if he's insulted by that remark it's because he's an emotional child. If he's an adult he will realize it's true and not an insult.
Don't underestimate the Cellar peeps, we know what he does, how, and why, from years of repetition. Sometimes I poke him like a paper tiger for fun, swearing will always get a rise, sometimes I post factual information for the other readers who are curious about the debate and want to know.
If you don't take him seriously he can be entertaining, like a joke you've heard a million times but laugh at the punch line anyway. ;)
Yes, it's like playing with an infant.
Tw's continuous lying isn't simply habitual, it's pathological...he actually believes his own lies. Infants don't know the difference either. It's entirely in character with his being developmentally impaired and why he's continuously disruptive. A trashed intellect.
Tw learned propaganda techniques from his father who was in advertising for big tobacco.
He's learned how to mix just enough truth (what he'll refer to as facts) in with deceptions (the conclusions he'll try to impose on others) along with demeaning (he'll call everyone who disagrees with him whacko, a child, extremist...etc.) to either string people along whatever agenda he's pushing; or, try to shut them down just as big tobacco tried to shut down the medical community. Tw identifies those he thinks are the most gullible among us and throws throws them a bone ('ataboy); or, something pleasant (humor) every so often to keep them hangin' on. If tw tries to get on your good side, it means he considers you a weakling.
If you watched the video UT posted, "Jonathan Pie explains it", then you know how tw has always operated. You're not allowed to disagree with him.
If there isn't sufficient conversation going on in the Politics forum, he'll push his agenda in other forums and make a political connection there. It's been a losing methodology for tw just as it was a losing strategy for Hillary Clinton. Like Hillary,
tw still firmly believes that you can fool most of the people most of the time and if you repeat something often enough, it becomes the truth. Both will even wave the flag (as in - Patriotism, the last refuge of a scoundrel). Neither of them will ever learn simply because they're too full of themselves.
Tw is an infant.
Tw cannot address content of questions, he admits to only addressing tone of questions like infants cannot understand what is being asked, only the tone in which it's done. Tw displays infantile responses by throwing temper tantrums after presentation of facts because his developmentally impaired brain only understands tone of conversations and not content.
That's why tw ignores facts that cigarette producers hired tw's father to advertise for them and tell Americans how just good they were. When one brand was promoted, all brands benefited. The tw family promotional propaganda for cigarettes has contributed to more than 480,000 deaths annually in the United States [CDC] and nearly 6 million deaths annually worldwide [CDC] due to cigarette smoking. Still, the developmentally impaired tw whines about others causing 60,000 total American military fatal casualties in Vietnam over 20 years, 5,000 total in the Gulf War to Mission Accomplished, and having to pay too much for gas at discount gas stations THAT SELL CIGARETTES. Tw refuses to acknowledge facts because tw's infantile brain can comprehend only tone in which facts are presented, not content. Developmentally impaired tw despises Americans stating facts and recognizes only sources who appease him in their form of presentation.
Tw even regurgitates like an infant claiming he must repeat himself ad nauseam; but, whines like an infant if someone else does same. Difference between tw and others repeating themselves? Others are smart enough to cut and paste.
Unfortunately this reality must be restated often until developmentally impaired tw finally realizes the reality that he's behaviorally an infant who's been brainwashed to hate on Americans.
When was the last time you got the impression that tw liked you; or, valued your opinion and wasn't just feigning interest so you'd continue to listen to his rhetoric [rhetorical]? Tw is just a self absorbed propagandist abusing this venue who's best suited to Coventry forum.Is it just me, or, has the fun rubbed off this?
Everyone else has moved on. Why are you still here?
Is it just me, or, has the fun rubbed off this?
First it's your balls, now you're rubbing one off... maybe think about baseball?
Baseball? What are you crazy? Why spoil the fun? Rub it Digr, Rub it, think of Jenny.:blush:
Oh, Jen-nay, Oh, Jen-nay, Oh, Jen-nay, Oh, Jen-NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!
:lol2:
Stahp. Pleez stahp.
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Absolutely. How many months did classicman post facts refuting my bullshit? Then I posted about how he rapes his wife. It took that much nastiness from me for others (including yourself , if I remember correctly) to finally say enough. Posted insults after months (maybe years) of ignored facts and reality from classicman.
tw is an asshole, and if he's insulted by that remark it's because he's an emotional child. If he's an adult he will realize it's true and not an insult.
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Fuck you Tommy. God help us all if you bred you assholiness into another generation. Hopefully you are the last of your lineage.
Fuck you Tommy. God help us all if you bred you assholiness into another generation. Hopefully you are the last of your lineage.
As usual, the wacko exttremist does what he only understands - insults, violence, profanity, personal attacks ... all examples of an adult who is still a child. No way around the science.
Tommy boy ... You're the only one who doesn't see you as a wacko extremist. Your posts prove you are. Now go back to reading your Nat Geo mags from the 70's.
As usual, the wacko exttremist does what he only understands - insults, violence, profanity, personal attacks ... all examples of an adult who is still a child. No way around the science.
please download a new tune
please download a new tune
Science does not changes. Some adults are still children. Learn to love it.
Science results do change, quite frequently.
Science results do change, quite frequently.
The science here - adult that remains childlike - is well proven and explained. Some best examples are extremists - both liberal and conservative. They ignore facts. Instead believe what propaganda spiked with emotions has told them to believe. Because children learn by feeling - not by first learning facts. Not by thinking like an adult.
Play it again Sam.
The science here - adult that remains childlike - is well proven
Then it should be easy for you to give one citation from a scientific journal to back up what you claim.
Some adults are still children.
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So, tw, your point that there are adults, chronologically speaking, that think things for reasons that a child thinks things, "that's how it feels", is true.
I agree with you.
But I hasten to add that you stir shit here in a similarly childish way by implying or saying directly (as directly as you ever say anything) that specific people here *are* children, that their ideas *are* childish. Overstating something like that is not being "scientific". Calling an adult a child is just an insult, a childish insult, not one based on facts.
What I'd like to do is to tell you to shut the fuck up. But, I won't. I don't really care that much. I believe you are free to speak your mind, be as wrong as you want to be. I, and others here have a complimentary right to our emotional reactions to such bullshit. Go ahead, babble on with your tiresome namecalling, in righteous self defense if necessary. Keep in mind though, you're not changing any facts, or changing any minds as you do so.