I, ALONE KNOW THE TRUTH OF POLITICS !!
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I will impregnate your ignorant eye sockets with a red-hot injection of my truth-sauce.
I feel somehow soiled for having read that
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I feel somehow soiled for having read that
You read it right, baby. You read it so good . . .
Here's the truth of politics...
It's a big stick.
It's a psycho-assault.
It's reducing 'one' to piece and part of 'many'.
Politics is the grindstone that makes feedstock of you and me and him and her.
It's friggin' tyranny dressed up in fine clothes.
Well duh, E pluribus unum dude.
Out of many, one.
That's been the idea from the get go.
Here's the truth of politics...
It's a big stick. ...
It's what attracts the many who discover they can easily manipulate others. Then want a bigger sandbox.
That's unamerican.
What? To not smile?
When a politician is smiling, does that mean he is unAmerican? Because he got what he wanted? Should you trust a smiling politician?
non serviam. That's Latin. Should we trust a smiling Italian politician - who served whom? Most Italians trusted an always smiling Berlusconi. Should Americans?
Enjoy your tangent. :rolleyes:
Should you trust a politician?
FIFY.
And, no.
FIFY.
Another example of Fake News editing - performed with a Donald Trump smile.
Non serviam?
Hell, non serviam is the essence of old-school Americanism!
Along with 'mind your own business and keep your hands to yourself', non serviam is what America, Americanism, Americans are (supposed to be) about.
That America has become a nosey, fat-assed bitch with soft hands, pierced labia, and an obvious desire to follow, is a friggin' shame.
The desire to do for one's self, to zealously claim personal success, to shoulder personal burden, all dying away, replaced by hands out, not striving, blaming the other guy.
America is supposed to be about 'free will' but, nowadays, is about 'determinism'.
'I can' was replaced with 'I can't'.
As I say: a friggin' shame.
Non serviam?
Hell, non serviam is the essence of old-school Americanism!
Along with 'mind your own business and keep your hands to yourself', non serviam is what America, Americanism, Americans are (supposed to be) about.
I suggest you do a little more boning up on your history, "Americanism" has always been about working together for the good of the group. The settlements, towns, and cities grew from the very idea of banding together for survival. There were hearty pioneers that moved into the wilderness but they did it in groups to establish new places. The west was won by wagon trains, not individuals. Sure, there were folk heroes who set out on there own, but that's why they were famous, they were exceptions.
Hollywood created the John Wayne, Gary Cooper, badass loner myth, but notice they were never really alone, they were dependant of others. Someone to sell them bullets and whiskey, towns with prostitutes and law.
These ranchers whose great granddaddy started this here ranch, forget somebody else's great grand daddy did the same nextdoor. They were spread out, but still a group and they depended on each other for support, while making a fortune grazing cattle on my land.
We grew and prospered by working together through government, water, roads, sewers, electricity, railroads, defense, are all from governments at different levels.
While I agree we've become the world's nanny and I don't like that either, it's the doing of our elected representatives in government. And if we're unhappy with what they're doing we should kick the fuckers doing it out. But not eliminate the government who gives us so much power, just the ones in it that aren't doing what we want. The better future is getting involved, not turning away, because E pluribus unum.
"Americanism" has always been about working together for the good of the group.
No, cooperation with others to satisfy one's own goals is the thing.
The group: pffftt! that's what we've come to...'the group (first, last, always...fuck the one)'.
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if we're unhappy with what they're doing we should kick the fuckers doing it out.
Yeah, that's been workin' out real well.
Yeah, that's been workin' out real well.
Why, because people are too busy non serviam to help remove the fuckers.
No, cuz folks have become soft, gimme-types, who run after shiny promises and jingly-jangly toys.
I suggest you do a little more boning up on your history, "Americanism" has always been about working together for the good of the group.
"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country."
"We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
Even the mafia learned crime pays (better) when families serve together. So even Italians have a completely different attitude towards non serviam.
What folks? Everyone? Immigrants? Druggies? Suburbanites? Urbanites? Negroes? The quickly diminishing middle class? A majority? Everyone but you and me?
"we shall all hang separately"
Preferable.
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"Everyone?"
Pretty much, yeah.
Speak for yourself, I'm already hung. :lol2:
But you're right, or more correctly Ben Franklin was right, stick together or we're all fucked.
Obvious is an anti-American on the highway. Every other person on that road is a member of your team. Good teammates work together.
An anti-America is a football player who only runs when he has the ball and wastes no energy blocking for others.
The anti-American is a fool weaving in and out of traffic to beat everyone else - especially at the expense of other's safety. He views his teammates as enemies. He is only out for himself. Non serviam.
Ironic are the few who admire that anti-American. And then call themselves patriotic.
Driving is a sport, not a team sport but it is a competition.
"The anti-American is a fool weaving in and out of traffic to beat everyone else - especially at the expense of other's safety. He views his teammates as enemies. He is only out for himself. Non serviam."
No, that's just a friggin' idiot.
Now, me, the advocate of non serviam, I stay within the speed limit, signal my turns, allow others to merge, never give in to road anger.
Why?
Not cuz I'm a team player, not cuz I give a flip about the other drivers. No, I drive moderately, safely, cuz I give a flip about 'me', cuz I know self-control on the road (and in living) minimizes my cost and maximizes my benefit over the long haul.
The fellow you describe above is just a bundle of appetites and impulses. He has no self-regulation. He's the sort who makes burdensome 'law' a neccessity.
He's one of your friggin' 'extremists'.
Now, me, the advocate of non serviam, I stay within the speed limit, signal my turns, allow others to merge, never give in to road anger.
Oh, so you're the guy holding up traffic. :eyebrow: :stickpoke
No, that's just a friggin' idiot.
Of course that is an idiot. He is not a team player. He is no different that four dozen extremists on Congress who only want destruction of government. And are loved by many in their district who are also not team players - so view others on their team as the enemy.
I stay within the speed limit, signal my turns, allow others to merge, never give in to road anger.
Then you are a team player working first and foremost for the safety, protection, and cooperation of all else on your team.
Another who is:
bundle of appetites and impulses. He has no self-regulation. He's the sort who makes burdensome 'law' a neccessity.
is the classic adult who is still a child. He is not logical. He only understands what he must do for emotional reasons and self-gratification. If he violated what a parental government and policeman says, then he will be punished. A child only understands that emotion. Not why he must be a team player on the road.
Kitty Genovese was attacked on a Brooklyn street. She cried for help for almost 40 minutes. So many adults who were still children (who could not think logically) did nothing. Some even said why. They feared (like children) getting involved.
Plenty of idiots exist. More interesting is why they are idiots.
Adults who are still children are the easiest to manipulate - to be made into extremists. Need examples? View who Daesch recruits.
If he violated what a parental government and policeman says, then he will be punished. A child only understands that emotion.
WTF are you talking about, that's not an emotion, that's a lesson learned about consequences. Thats a good thing for anyone, so they can make a rational decision about whether to obey or not.
WTF are you talking about, that's not an emotion, that's a lesson learned about consequences.
Some great men in history ignored consequences because logic dictated a unemotional response. Yes, some consequences make logical sense. Because the logical see logic in that conclusion. But an adult who is a child only 'fears' consequences.
Not everyone's response to consequences is due to emotion alone. Nobody is unemotional. He just tempers (controls) emotions with logical thought. Or may direct emotion for a logical conclusion. Emotion is a tool - just like money and propaganda. Logic is routinely in charge - when a adult is an adult.
A child only sees (fears) consequences as something painful - to be avoided. He does not know why. He does not have the prefrontal cortex to control those emotions. He only knows from a resulting pain. That is a decision entirely based in emotion.
Does a four year old follow rules because he knows why they exist? Of course not. He does that because a child only understands emotions. Resulting pain is call consequences. His response is an emotional fear of pain.
BTW, why start with WTF? An adult does not waste bandwidth with their emotions. Who use profanity most often? Another indication of an adult who is so more emotional. And so the question: can you grasp a well defined concept from psychology? Or do you always start by entertaining your emotions; start with a WTF response?
Somebody's feelin frisky!
Nobody is unemotional. He just tempers (controls) emotions with logical thought. Or may direct emotion for a logical conclusion. Emotion is a tool - just like money and propaganda. Logic is routinely in charge - when a adult is an adult.
A child only sees (fears) consequences as something painful - to be avoided. He does not know why. He does not have the prefrontal cortex to control those emotions. He only knows from a resulting pain. That is a decision entirely based in emotion.
No no no, consequences are not necessarily painful, they could be, minimal, embarrassing, costly, or death, and must be evaluated before taking action. You're thinking like a four year old.
Does a four year old follow rules because he knows why they exist? Of course not. He does that because a child only understands emotions. Resulting pain is call consequences. His response is an emotional fear of pain.
Your father must have been fond of corporal punishment, as you're still stuck in a four year old's definition of consequences.
BTW, why start with WTF? An adult does not waste bandwidth with their emotions. Who use profanity most often? Another indication of an adult who is so more emotional. And so the question: can you grasp a well defined concept from psychology? Or do you always start by entertaining your emotions; start with a WTF response?
You're starting that shit again? When will you learn you'll get no fucking traction or respect with that Parson Brown act here. :mock: Grow up!
"...you are a team player working first and foremost for the safety, protection, and cooperation of all else on your team."
Nope.
As I say, I drive safely for 'me', to preserve 'my' life, 'my' property...that the other folks on the road benefit is, to me, incidental.
Now, you gonna take me at my word, or, are you gonna keep on interpreting 'me' through the filters of your own agenda?
So weird that you're using ENGLISH to make these statements. It's the language society taught us and that we all agreed to use!
Irrelevant.
I use english for my own purposes, not yours.
I stay within proscribed road usage for my purposes, not TW's.
When I use a public toilet it's for 'me', not other folks.
The communal nature of the tool doesn't negate why I use that tool.
No no no, consequences are not necessarily painful, they could be, minimal, embarrassing, costly, or death, and must be evaluated before taking action. You're thinking like a four year old.
To a child, consequences without pain are routinely ignored. Logic does not exist in a child. Everything is about emotions.
Painful to a child is an adult who withholds affection or approval. Even an adult's facial expressions can be a painful consequence. (You must have seen that in videos demonstrating child psychology -right?) That consequence (even a facial expression) is painful to a child.
A child's world is fully about emotion. Emotion is the only 'how' a children learns what is right or wrong. Intelligent parents never use corporal punishment - as you assumed they must for reasons that are scary. Corporal punishment is used by parents who do not understand this - who therefore are abusive.
Why do you have so much trouble with well understood psychology? Why do you foolishly assume only corporal punishment works? A potential child beater would not understand any of this; must only believe "Use the whip; save the child." Apparently all this is new? Apparently you never learned consequences are best used without any physical action. Because a child's world is only about emotions.
Emotions also easily manipulate (brainwash) adults who are still children. Only propaganda and soundbytes will manipulate adults who are still children.
You were hungry. You noticed that there was this big wedding reception going on at the hall next to you. So you went and pretended to be in the reception, and you accepted a chicken dinner. Before anyone noticed that you weren't actually a part of the whole deal, and had less than zero interest in it, you had et and left.
The ridiculous rules of the reception made it easy to mock; why WOULD anyone want to be a part of it? The Hokey Pokey, are you kidding me? And the extra dinner would have just been thrown away; they always make extras in case something goes wrong.
Now, you gonna take me at my word, or, are you gonna keep on interpreting 'me' through the filters of your own agenda?
I never take anyone's word that also does not come with reasons why and perspective. Making blanket statements without even one reason to say "why it is true or exists" demonstrated a child's perspective of the world. Too much "Me me me" attitude is observed. It implies a rather irresponsible attitude only tempered by consequences and the resulting emotions.
An adult does not do something only because it is the law. An adult does beyond what laws requires because it is responsible - a logical decision.
Too many denials only because you don't like it. A classic example of a conclusion only based in emotions.
A child only drives cooperatively because consequences are severe. Fast and Furious movies try to teach these adult children that consequences do not exist. These adults, who are clearly children, are often seen on highways. But rarely when a cop car is observed. Only consequences (fear of that cop) matter. Responsibility is less understood by adults who are still children.
Let me get this straight...
If I drive safe cuz I'm lookin' to be a teamplayer, then I'm an adult.
...but...
If I drive safely cuz I wanna preserve 'me', then I'm a child.
Okay.
What I draw from that...
'Selfless' cooperation is mature and 'right'.
...and...
Self-interest is immature and 'wrong'.
Well, break out your little book, TW, and mark me down as 'wrong-headed kid' cuz I want nuthin' to do with your conception of the altruistic, selfless, communitarian, 'moderate' adult.
You were hungry. You noticed that there was this big wedding reception going on at the hall next to you. So you went and pretended to be in the reception, and you accepted a chicken dinner. Before anyone noticed that you weren't actually a part of the whole deal, and had less than zero interest in it, you had et and left.
The ridiculous rules of the reception made it easy to mock; why WOULD anyone want to be a part of it? The Hokey Pokey, are you kidding me? And the extra dinner would have just been thrown away; they always make extras in case something goes wrong.
The invisible hand of the free market always creates a chicken dinner for the people who deserve one. The source of the chicken dinners is pure capitalist commerce. Wedding receptions never happened because the government told me to have one! I deserve that chicken dinner--the socioeconomic conditions of my life are entirely due to my own personal prowess and business savvy. And the free market. My personal awesomeness and the free market. Not the government. Not society. ME.
The whole cooperative enterprise of human civilization, stretching back across eons of time, is dumb. The only good thing is the 80-or-so years in which I am living, in which good old-fashioned American capitalism created chicken dinners for the good people who deserve them.
If I drive safely cuz I wanna preserve 'me', then I'm a child.
You are driving first and foremost to protect those many adjacent drivers - your team members. And second, also driving to protect yourself. All comes under the title of being responsible - an adult.
Adult children don't care. They drive like a responsible adult only when it is beneficial to them - when there are no consequences - no pain. Fast and Furious - an example of an adult who is still a child.
Nobody said anyone is a child. Please read with care. We are discussing adults. Two types. Those who use a prefrontal cortex to become responsible adults. And other adults who remain childish - who are only emotional. Daesh recruits and religious extremists are a perfect example of the latter.
Children who are adults do not exist. Children with the mind of a child are routine. And have no relationship to above discussed adults - other than share common symptoms.
This started with a fundamental point. Non serviam. Not a team player. Adults usually are team players. An exception is something called anarchy. It is justified by logic that adults use. And not by emotions that an adult child would use to justify his beliefs.
Just thought I would throw anarchy in there to stir the pot.
The only good thing is the 80-or-so years in which I am living, in which good old-fashioned American capitalism created chicken dinners for the good people who deserve them.
Or maybe those dinners were only created for people, good or bad, who can pay for them?
Does the invisible hand make my cock look big when I masturbate? Yes, yes it does.
Does the invisible hand make my cock look big when I masturbate? Yes, yes it does.
What does your rooster have to do with it?
Or maybe those dinners were only created for people, good or bad, who can pay for them?
Like I said, good people. Like ME, good. Has a chicken dinner, so, good.
Like I said, good people. Like ME, good. Has a chicken dinner, so, good.
Clearly you are not Catholic. We Catholic are all sinners. But we still pay for our chicken dinners.
Clearly you are not Catholic. We Catholic are all sinners. But we still pay for our chicken dinners.
We do pay for our dinners, except the externalized costs like polluted waterways. Society picks up the tab for that.
"You are driving first and foremost to protect those many adjacent drivers - your team members. And second, also driving to protect yourself."
So, no matter how many times I say 'no, that's now how it works for me', you'll insist you know my mind better than me, yes?
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"Society picks up the tab for that."
No, taxpayers like me and you do.
Uh...taxpayers like me and you ARE society.
The only non-members are tax-avoiding corporations. Like the ones that pollute our waterways and then buy politicians to roll back environmental protections.
The only protection the little guys like you and me have is to band together to create a representative government (oops, see above) which has collective bargaining power to prevent profit-driven entities from doing damage to the environment we humans require in order to live.
But wait, the moneyed interests have created a propaganda arm which convinces the disenfranchised working class that "the government" or "society" is causing their problems, when in reality wages have been suppressed for decades, by corporations. The same ones that pollute, don't pay taxes, and pump millions of collars into getting business-friendly politicians elected.
Of course the REAL problem is "political correctness" and labia-pierced welfare queens who don't respect the FLAG and the CONSTITUTION.
Lots of folks -- society members, all -- don't pay a dime in tax, and aren't payin' a penny toward cleaning up rivers and lakes.
Children, for example...good drones in training, each and every one...nuthin' comin' their pockets...many folks who subsist solely by way of public assistance...nuthin' comin' out of their pockets either.
As for corps: some get away with murder, some don't.
Suggestion: get your posterboard, your black marker, and your protestin' shoes on, that and mebbe stop buyin' from the folks who dump shit in the river (beyond you and me, that is, and the actual poop we drop out of our backsides).
As for politicians: as long as you keep treatin' 'em as sumthin' other than the employees they are, they're gonna keep lining their pockets and living where the shit ain't.
Lots of folks -- society members, all -- don't pay a dime in tax, and aren't payin' a penny toward cleaning up rivers and lakes.
Children, for example...good drones in training, each and every one...nuthin' comin' their pockets...many folks who subsist solely by way of public assistance...nuthin' comin' out of their pockets either.
This ^^^ is the DEFINITION of a society. You can't have a society with only healthy, able-bodied, working-age members. That's not realistic. We're ALL IN IT TOGETHER.
"This ^^^ is the DEFINITION of a society."
And only the TAXPAYING portion is payin' the bills, so, no society isn't payin', taxpayers are
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Oh, yeah, by the way, for the record...
Next time you get the urge to put words in my mouth that aren't mine (or that are adulterations of what I did say), or ascribe notions or philosophies to me that I don't back, just save yourself the time and tell me to go fuck myself.
That would be a heluva lot more honest and direct than all this tired and tiresome communitarian manure you're foistin' up.
Watch...
Flint, go fuck yourself.
...see? Easy. Direct. Honest.
And it feeeels so gooood.
'nuff said.
You're an idiot, and your reprehensible, insufferably ignorant political opinions are literally what's wrong with the world. Unchecked, selfish asshole feelings can only create a hellish nightmare that we all have to suffer through--including the selfish asshole AND the reasonable, decent people who were throwing up red flags, all the way over the cliff.
That sound about right? Want to own that, or chicken-shit out with a glib excuse?
You've never given a single moment of deep thought to anything, you just say words.
Too wordy.
Try it again...
Henry, go fuck yourself.
One more time...
Henry (that's me) go (make an attempt) fuck (either 'have unpleasing sex' or 'strike') yourself (again, in context, 'me').
C'mon, big fella...I beliiieeeve in you.
Chicken shit. Know-nothing.
Man, you ain't even trying.
You're a boring troll. Worth engaging for 5-10 minutes.
The whole cooperative enterprise of human civilization, stretching back across eons of time, is dumb. The only good thing is the 80-or-so years in which I am living, in which good old-fashioned American capitalism created chicken dinners for the good people who deserve them.
That whole post rocked my world, but that last paragraph is lovely.
Henry, You know tw's script by heart. You know he's going to twist your words and call you a child like it's a bad thing. But he'll die soon of excess adultness, while the picture in the attic gets younger. :lol:
You on the other hand, crow about being an individual, a free soul, while paying taxes, following the rules of the road, avoiding arrest, and meshing with the other members of society. Methinks you're a rebel in spirit living a cooperative, go-along-to-get-along, life.
Nothing wrong with that. :beer:
Henry, You know tw's script by heart. You know he's going to twist your words and call you a child like it's a bad thing. But he'll die soon of excess adultness, while the picture in the attic gets younger. :lol: ...
Tw's gonna to write his own epitaph. That's why he wants to be buried under Trump's border wall. It'll be the only tombstone big enough to hold it. :p:
Nothing wrong with that.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Because that is also being a team player. Despite denials - that is what a team player does - even on highways.
Adults who are adults are responsible because they understand why is it necessary. Adults who are children do so to avoid consequences and resulting pain.
Adult children who neither suffer nor fear consequences remain anti-social and problematic. Not because they are a free spirit. Because they are not a team player.
We do pay for our dinners, except the externalized costs like polluted waterways.
This is the year of the Chicken. Free dinners for all. As China demonstrates, smog and polluted waterways do not matter.
But leave your rooster alone.
It's the year of the Rooster.
You can choke the chicken and have a chicken dinner too.
We are very close to seeing sexobon and tw in agreement.
Which one is the cock? ;)
That would be you, carrying flint. Tw and I are in the background. Those are the two who look like they may be in agreement; though, appearances can be deceiving.
Oh, you're the one with the pitchfork... most appropriate. :p:
Naturally, I'm the one who comes from where the work gets done. :D
Never bring a switch to a cock fight.
"Henry, You know tw's script by heart."
Yeah.
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"You on the other hand..."
Absolutely, I'm boring and conventional...sensibly cooperative, pointedly peaceable, moderately pleasant.
What I'm not is communitarian, pacifistic, stupid.
"Never bring a switch to a cock fight."
Bring rubbers and a coach gun.
What I'm not is communitarian, pacifistic, stupid.
I'll take your word for not communitarian, believe not pacifistic, and sure you're definitely not stupid.
What remains is, ketchup or mustard? :haha:
Neither.
I like cheese on my fries, cheese on my burgers, and nuthin' else.
Uh Oh, you'll have condiment vigilantes looking for you.... knock on the door, good evening sir, do you have a moment to talk about condiments? but you ain't scairt. ;)
"The whole cooperative enterprise of human civilization"
Mostly about killing the folks 'over there' so as to take their stuff.
...or...
Bending nature in ways folks like.
Ain't got diddly to do with good feelings or communitarian clap-trap.
Cooperation is about self-interest.
Altruism is for loons, pussies, and liars.
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Cooperation is about self-interest.
Altruism is for loons, pussies, and liars.
It certainly explains the philosophy of right wing extremists.
The whole cooperative enterprise of human civilization, stretching back across eons of time, is dumb. The only good thing is the 80-or-so years in which I am living, in which good old-fashioned American capitalism created chicken dinners for the good people who deserve them.
That whole post rocked my world, but that last paragraph is lovely.
Shameless self-appreciation. Bumped because I'm reading my old threads, looking for something.